Ryzen Intro

[@arcanus55]

This is a great example of why this is one of the best Tech channels. Majority are "Here's Ryzen check out these benchmarks that mean close to jack!" Level1: "Here's Ryzen, check out these neat details under the hood that really set Ryzen apart and how it's different and why it matters."

[@muffinman8365]

You are the only ones working on the ECC memory question. THANK YOU!

[@DanHonnen]

Hyped for some quality Linux oriented Ryzen content from you guys! You're one of the few tech channels with a real Linux focus, keep it up guys! :D

[@a.b.2178]

So much great no-nonsense information... and all without showing one single benchmark chart on the screen. Beautifully done. Thank you guys!

[@kaymio6547]

I've watched many Ryzen videos today. This one is definitely the best of the bunch! Information instead of clickbait.

[@krcari111]

Finnaly a rewiev that I was looking for. Everyone else just benchmarks and that's it. I just love this nerdy content, keep it up!

[@LazerLord10]

This seems like the only technical PC hardware channel out there. Everyone else just seems to be "OMG RYZEN IS AMAZEBALLZ RIP INTEL LOL". Keep up the great work!

[@brianm3849]

LazerLord10 Also, GamerNexus did a thorough review of the 1800X, which Wendell mentioned. They gave an honest review as well.

[@ZachChurch]

Love what you guys are doing with the channel! I like the melo music in the intro. It matches the calmness of your guys voices lol

[@akaltar]

The objectiveness of this video is astonishing. I watched all reviews I could, and I found they were biased or overlooking important details. The way you do it is really great. keep up the good work.

[@Dgr1zzl3]

Thank you sooo much for talking about the pcie lanes. no one else was bring that up. I'd love to see how this would perform in a large freenas config.

[@chuckdries]

Your coverage of Ryzen is wholly unique and answers a lot of my questions about virtualizing on Ryzen that no other outlet even touched (and google was no help!). THANK YOU, and keep doing what you're doing.

[@guillermo.gonzalez]

I want those 8c/16t so I can virtualize several machines and game as well all in one. I hope they get the passthrough figured out. I like these reviews because they give you a different POV, not just focused on gaming benchmarks. For those, Gamers Nexus do a hell of a job. So both channels and you get the best of the tech world!

[@aakopa]

Please keep us informed about the IOMMU situation. I am looking into buying one for that purpose so its very important to me.

[@Ampidire]

The Ryzen review I was waiting for. Love you guys.

[@roadwish]

Despite u haven't shown any 320*240 or 4k gaming :P or any over-technical talk with a hump for some AMD pr guy (hello Nexus) - at last 2 blokes talking sense and providing info with tech data without clattering, no biases etc - feel informed, not confused.Liked and subbed

[@SarfarazAhmad89]

amazing work. please keep such stuff coming our way. much much appreciated !

[@sneakeyboard8305]

+Level1Techs My thoughts exactly Wendell, I have no idea why AMD chose to focus so much on gaming when the CPU could easily compete on virtualization in a server environment; that's the most ubiquitous use in that market. Looking forward to seeing Ryzen get a review in the Linux channel.

[@makegaminggreatagain3907]

Don't take this video down, this was thee most unbiased and fair look video that actually gave explanation and reason none of the others did that. it was great can't wait for part 2.

[@SergeantZeta]

"AMD probably forgot how to do a launch, it's been a while." -Wendell, 2017

[@TobyCowles]

Don't take this video down, history must be preserved, this is part of your channel now

[@bratwurst_addict]

Thank you, keep us posted, please. I love you for showing the actual diagramm of the ASUS board.

[@SciPunk215]

Love how Level1Techs goes straight to Linux for their testing.

[@OGBhyve]

You should test it with a 4.9.10 or later kernel. There were Ryzen SMT fixes in 4.10 that were backported to 4.9.10. My Fedora 25 system is currently running a 4.9.12 kernel for reference.

[@Level1Techs]

used 4.10 not 4.1 I think I misspoke at one point oops.

[@OGBhyve]

Level1Techs Ya, I figured that would be the case.

[@bumperxx1]

Level1Techs what about 4.12 or 4.9 I really like 3.5 and 2.1 they are so cool you should use them

[@davidstg2]

Just got my hands on a 1700x & asus x370 pro from Microcenter today. Plan on putting into a 4u rack mount case and use as a dedicated streaming PC / network render box / Plex server/ NAS / CrashPlan remote backup for family and my business. I think this will fit the bill perfectly, and ill keep my 7700k for my gaming rig. Great video guys!

[@Jimmy___]

Great vid. Even though this was just 'feelings and nonsense,' I found it equally/more informative than LTT's extensive benchmarks. You guys have way better insight and understanding, staying tuned as always.

[@TheMrFishnDucks]

Looking forward to more motherboard and cpu videos from this channel. Keep up the good work.

[@flukshun]

Thanks for covering IOMMU grouping. Looking forward to hearing about whether ACS patch works. I can't go for Ryzen otherwise :(

[@thomasarouge3636]

flukshun Yeah, I was kind of hoping that I would not have to deal with any wired issues or need any workaround patches applied to the kernel. But that does not seem to be the case.

[@jtfernandez5594]

Great video. As an engineer I love your guys approach.

[@raptorzoz6251]

they've added your review to their ebay page as "famous youtuber reviews our monitor", thats kinda awesome (your video is too btw)

[@Interrobang212]

So, at a glance, Ryzen is a strange product. The gaming performance seems a bit lacking, but the production performance crushes the z270 chips and matches x99. It seems the perfect demographic for these chips is "gamers who create, and creators who game", the tagline for the Radeon Pro Duo. Twitch streamers, KZbinrs, hobbyist music makers and video editors. People who game as a hobby, but it's not the primary use of their machine. Honestly I think it destroys the entire premise of x99, provided you don't need all those pcie lanes. If the only thing you do that stresses your computer is gaming, it looks like Intel is still your supreme overlord.

[@HayateAzekura]

PinballWizzard42 doesnr not crush z270

[@nkinch713]

Their 8C/16T chips are really good for productivity and workstation uses, but not a good chip for strictly gaming purposes. No surprises though, considering most games best utilize 4 cores. EDIT: Forgot to mention how these 8C/16T Ryzen chips are not very good manual overclocking chips despite the fact the chips are soldered onto the IHS. Seems most reviewers have only been able to get them to no more than maybe 4.2 GHz.

[@pcsecuritychannel]

I am looking forward to Vega, if it is anything close to pascal, I'm switching, just to get my freesync working.

[@bucketofampz]

these guys have the brains, now they just need to come into their own creatively when editing and filming vids to make them just a touch more entertaining, but im sure that will come over time, ill keep watching love a channel like this

[@nachosplit8794]

why you guys dont get more attention is beyond me Great review guys.

[@JasonWBlades]

Love the review. Looking forward to the rest of them.

[@ryanmoloney99]

Waiting on your opinions all day great work guys

[@MaxContagion]

this video is actually informative. the part about wait a week because of the eufi thing is especially so. think leaving it up would be good.

[@magottyk]

Damn good video without the hype or the bias. First time watching you guys and you hit all the really interesting points about the AM4 platform. I can't wait to see how Vega will run on this platform especially as its memory cache management is supposedly set to take advantage of high speed 4X NVMe, which ties into the M.2 port configuration nicely. I hadn't considered the 2nd 8X slot as additional direct to CPU applications and of course you are right about 8X PCIE being sufficient for even Top tier graphics cards if you want more high speed access through the pcie slot without crippling the chipset bandwidth. What I'm really waiting to see is the Naples release, supposedly with 16 core options and single CPU boards. If they make those babies overclocked unlocked, we may see current water cooling solutions able to handle them given the 1700's 3.0GHz 65Watt TDP allowing for up to 3.9+GHz (1.3v on the curve) 16 core 32 thread workstations with a lot more PCIe lanes available. Will Ryzen finally bring gaming to the workstation as gaming moves away from low thread engines.

[@itsdeonlol]

You guys always do quality stuff! Thanks for sharing!

[@classicrockonly]

Keep talking Linux with Ryzen :) crypto, VMs, rendering, coding, gaming and photo editing on fedora 25. Gaming on windows too

[@Zlazuja]

Just wanted to say that, in a sea of mediocre "tech" youtubers, this channel is really refreshing with it's approach and I'm sad I hadn't stumbled upon it sooner!

[@zr6598]

great technical update gj

[@ewwmin3m]

you nerds are awesome :D love the technical details :D GEGE

[@caborama]

'This is not safe space testing' Almost made me choke on my water.

[@Duo_Fish]

Those puns were physically painful... That's how you know they were good.

[@taterosu1]

good video guys. I really like your style of reviews.

[@Kush-fw4fr]

that first 30 second is the best video ever

[@807800]

still an Intro, yet I got more information than all the Ryzen video I've watched. Well, this is the only technical channel on youtube i guess.

[@cmzangetsu1993]

this is beautiful, a straight to the facts video. subbed for life lol

[@cybercat1531]

The intro quality sure keeps Ryzen

[@ronald4life1]

ECC ram working is the biggest deal to me! That's awesome.

[@LazerLord10]

Not sure if Ryzen supports multi-CPU usage, but if it did, that would be pretty amazing.

[@garetht1236]

You are the only person to answer my PCI-E bottleneck questions. THANK YOU LEVEL1TECHS!

[@kazriko]

Looking forward to more information on IOMMU. I have purchased my R7-1700 already, but I haven't picked a motherboard because I'm waiting for word on the IOMMU. One question, could you do passthrough on the PCIe3.0 graphics card and leave the one going through the x370 to the Linux system perhaps, or is the PCIe3.0 on the same IOMMU as the USB3.0 and NVMe ports? I suppose I could dedicate those USB3 and NVMe ports to running inside the virtual machine. Very interested about the Asrock and IOMMU too. I have an Asrock motherboard on my A10-7850k and its IOMMU was all screwed up. Hoping they did better this time.

[@kazriko]

(Also, I subscribed and tossed you $1/mo on Patreon because you actually mentioned IOMMU in a review! :)

[@marioStortuga]

Thank you for the unbiased review

[@gromett]

I really enjoy your videos. When you do benchmarking can you do it based on price comparison, ie compare a $500 cpu to a $500 cpu. Also can you do some of the more geeky real world tests such as compiling, say the Linux kernel. Apache/Nginx/mysql tests. Performance per $ spent is more important to me than absolute performance as I never buy the highest end parts due to cost/value. Also virtualisation testing would be fantastic.

[@suyspeedy]

I really like this channel! Keep it up!

[@RepsUp100]

Thumbs up if you're going to wait for more tweaks, UEFI updates, improvements and then buy Ryzen!

[@ldmnyblzs]

Could you do some software development oriented benchmarks? Like compiling a large project, parsing it for autocomplete.

[@verward]

I'm already so fking hyped for ryzen 5.

[@cdtelting]

I'm more looking at the Asus 370 pro. Looks like I only give up two USB ports but the board itself is cleaner. But having top support for things like the iommu and PCI pass through is important to me so I may just give in and get the hero. I'm happy about the ECC though. You can't get 3200 ecc but it does mean it will eventually end up as next years server. But who knows.. might just bite the bullet and get the six core ryzen in August if it clocks better for games. Hopefully they get hardware pass through working. BTW any recommendations for 1x video cards for when you are running pass through?

[@pingu99991]

did you upgrade your camera... or just age super fast? just kidding guys, great quality, keep up the good work!

[@B4dD0GGy]

What a great day Techlevel1/TastyPC/Linus etc etc

[@Hugh_Hunt]

Brothers? Cousins? They just look like relatives.

[@tomcat2395]

Quirkification lovers

[@KingKringel16]

Probably Clones.

[@aidanfuge2108]

why not all of the above?

[@sparkyenergia]

Asus has traditionally been very good with supporting ECC on AMD properly. AM3+ boards from Asus have worked well with it. Please do the Asus ECC test first up.

[@WeirdSeagul]

just found your channel. sounds like you are being thr most reasonable about a disjointed release as a result of motherboards not really ready for release

[@485Runner]

Hoping the IOMMU group works out

[@Teh509]

Have you actually seen AMD stock 13.90 down from 15+ yesterday. short is leaving. I don't mean anything by this comment as it could simply mean short hype was not enough to sustain growth after launch. there is always a lull. Great vid btw.

[@aidanjt]

Probably just non-techsavvy investors cashing in from the short term gains, they popped back into the $14 range hours after. I can only see AMD stock progressively increasing over the year.

[@Teh509]

Bloody hope so. I'm one of those investors.

[@TobyCowles]

Aaron Bond same, plan to sell my amd stock shortly after the 2017 holiday season, hopefully it keeps on 'Ryzen' when the sales numbers come out and Vega is released

[@spoonikle]

Aaron Bond we rode the rally and sold at peak. We know how this goes. Stocks are just to make money. After I sell AMD and lock in my profits I re-up after the stock devaluation and ride a second rally coming for the next launch.

[@Javierm0n0]

Aaron Bond personally if i had money i would have purchased stock when polaris was announced and sold on february 28. that said im still getting a 1600x or 1700 for my brothers editing rig.

[@BJSepuku]

Will you make a video about KVM passthrough once it works ?

[@ax310n]

"Not safe space testing." Can just hear OSHA on the way now.

[@yayafitini]

If someone would explain this Ryzen well, it will be Wendel

[@rudiservo]

Please do tell when IOMMU gets fixed, also if the UEFI or drivers update happens to make a severe change maybe do a comparison.

[@flashlightfreek]

You guys are great!

[@brkkab123321]

I'm waiting for the Ryzen R5 1600X. I don't really need 8 cores/16 threads. I'm waiting a while on upgrading my mobo and cpu, though. Probably won't do a Crosshair VI & R5 1600X until summer 2018. My Maximus VIII Hero & i5 6600K are fine for now. Upgrading my current water cooler and 2 ssd's is more important for now.

[@lubo25]

The R5 range is supposedly four parts, two 6c/12t (one of which is 65W) and two 4c/8t. The final part of the ryzen line-up, $130-150 R3's are 4c/4t.

[@really.not.important]

I sent this video to a friend who hadn't seen you since the TekSyndicate days. He was thrown off immediately and asked me "Why are there 2 of him now?"

[@papal1ef]

Nice to see your perspective on AMD ryzen.

[@UFR00lz]

Something about the beards makes you guys more reliable than other youtube tech reviewers ha :D

[@Lukescomment]

So what is the DMI limit on raid 0 m.2 x370 1800x??with x270 its about 3.5gps

[@cunningham.s_law]

great review

[@killrathy]

I want pure unadulterated unhyped real world testing. So I come here. Stay Frosty Guys.

[@zstation64]

Waiting for my pre-order 1800 & AX370-Gaming5. After years of Asus boards, it'll be interesting to go back to Gigabyte with AMD. (Remember the no-label Gigabyte boards sold with the Slot-A Athlons? Great boards.)

[@Niarbeht]

Plox 2 keep us updated on Ryzen perf if some firmware update fixes stuff.

[@decretumdeluxe9670]

nice video, also, new camera?? quality seems crispier

[@VigneshBalasubramaniam]

Can you guys do a clock for clock comparison of Ryzen versus Kaby Lake? I think many people would be interested in such a thing, and no one else had done it on KZbin. This way, we'll be able to see for sure whether or not the Ryzen chips compete when the clock speed is taken out of the equation. Thanks Wendell.

[@DaxVJacobson]

I'm sure you are already going to do this - but I'd like to ask for more follow up on the ECC issue, please make sure to rowhammer with your new memory kit

[@edwardgreenjr167]

Slightly off topic - I think a really cool video after the dust settles on the Ryzen bench-marking would be *The best bang for the buck CPU deal for under $500* . Since the 1800x sets the bar for the new /retail side of $499, what about older but yet still viable chips? I'd say a pair of Xeon E5-2670 V3's could be a contender: 24 cores / 48 Threads at 3.10GHz, about 450 on eBay?

[@RobbieRobski]

I fuckin love you guys!

[@Ghis1964s]

Hey Wendel, out of context I'm maybe here. You know, those pretty wooden box that we see everyone getting from AMD for reviewing Rysen: Do you think you can mount a PC into it? (with low profile heat-sink etc or, better yet, exterior liquid-cooling with something like rigid hydraulic-pipe looking thing or rigid cast-iron pipe-looking setup) ;)

[@kousakasan7882]

All those boxes and no unboxing... I was hoping to see you guys build something with those...

[@eldizo_]

Yes please. There has been a lot of discrepancy and I'd like to see you guys' take on it.

[@FunkyMunkyLuv]

"You can't get blood out of a turnip. It's just not fast enough!"

[@notoioudmanboy]

i love you guys

[@ngkhanmein]

@wendell, if i have 2 HDD SATAIII & 1 SSD SATAIII will it be bottle-necked on AM4 mobo? thanks.

[@Bloodred16ro]

I'm a bit disappointed to hear Level1Techs perpetuating the myth that x8/x8 PCIe lanes do not matter for SLI. I know the issue is very much under the radar as far as "professional" reviews go, but x8/x8 SLI can bring significant scaling and performance issues at high native resolution (let's say 3840x2160 and above). Some games like DOOM show almost no SLI scaling at all on 8 lanes and generally speaking games that use some form of Temporal AA can suffer significantly if there isn't enough bandwidth for the GPUs (Witcher 3, R6 Siege, DOOM off the top of my head, there are others too). This is somewhat well-known within the user community and benchmarks can be found in the relevant sections of the relevant forums, though no professional outlet seems to have picked up on it or considered it worthy of a closer look.

[@DanLMH]

From GN's testing, they were hitting thermal throttle point with a Liquid Cooler on the 1800X... I'm confused if you say an Air Cooler is enough? :P

[@S2td123dsa]

Do you have any updates on IOMMU and PCIe passthrough support on different boards? Not really sure which board to buy because I really want those features. Thanks in advance already.

[@cyesoft]

Where can I find the Block Diagram? I looked on the Asus website but I didn't find anything.

[@quatrical]

I guess the answer lies on the Ryzen 5/3

[@bumperxx1]

Tiel Noembreux no way if you're going to rely on R3 R5 to save the day for gaming I don't think so Less cores and threads same megahertz. go ahead buddy keep drinking that Kool-Aid because it's worked out so far for the R7. 😎

[@michaelgrubbs1740]

bumperxx1 You realize that the single core performance will stay the same on the lower core count chips right? So $200 4core/8thread cpu that's only 15% slower than the $350 7700k in gaming scenarios

[@yulusleonard985]

The leaked R5 benchmark already show that 1600x surpass 7700k. Also R7 beat that $1050. So it work out so far.

[@quatrical]

Will do :D

[@eradg9076]

Are the IPC the same between all the ryzen 7's? I've seen the 1700 able to clock as high as 3.9 while the 1800x only got to 4.05 and the benchmarks between the 2 were nearly the same for single core performance.