AMD's Gift to Gamers! 9800X3D Reviewed and Benchmarked

[@kborak]

That intro though lmfao! I love your ridiculousness!

[@americathefree3708]

Yes funny intro!

[@Hadw1n]

Right?! :D

[@luisendymion9080]

I mean I was forced to upvoted just 20 sec in lol

[@mikek5631]

Thanks for including 4k results. I understand why reviewers do 1080p testing but it's still nice to see what the 1% lows look like at higher resolutions. I wish more reviewers would start including these in their reviews.

[@PC_Ringo]

💯... Including the higher resolutions is also about the value proposition. Oftentimes performance increase %age in real world game play at 1440p or 2160p are low and so upgrading may not be worth it. Yes raw performance testing at 1080p is interesting but it's not everything.

[@MichaelAppleman]

@@PC_Ringo Yeah the 1080p benchmarks are really mostly useful for pointless dick waving in the end.

[@MaxIronsThird]

the 1% low looks the same in 1080p and 4K. these mohons don't stop damn

[@Mathster_live]

@@MaxIronsThird True and real. Almost every graph comparing CPUs show pretty much the same story, so people are asking for redundant testing lol. People need to better inform themselves on the things they buy and actually listen to the reasoning of reviewers when they say testing at higher resolutions is pointless.

[@porcu]

They wanted to only do 1080p testing to show 9800x3d advantage. At higher resolution, there is no benefit to gaming. 😂

[@spiralout112]

God you don't appreciate Level1's non click bait titles until you look at the rest of the tech youtubers.

[@BBWahoo]

Wendel baits me with his stunning good looks 😭

[@scottouellette5354]

Favorite quote of the day: "Neat!"

[@ralith844]

i currently have a 3900x with a 6900 XT. I think its time for one of these newfangled X3D CPUs I've being hearing about for the last few years

[@Adreno23421]

9800x3d FTW! Go for it!!!

[@Adreno23421]

Or at least go for a used 5800x3d, for gaming it should make quite a difference, and the cost difference should not be as nearly as crazy as the 9800x3d.

[@ekspatriat]

Second hand 5800X3D means keeping AM4 and just that mod will blow you away. (I have 5800X3D/6900XT).

[@jannegrey]

or 5700X3D

[@pr0xZen]

​@@jannegreyDepending on price and availability where you're at, this can be a huge saver for a very modest performance impact.

[@L0Lyeahright]

THANK YOU for 1440p and 4k testing!

[@Level1Techs]

keep in mind it's still really low graphics settings to try to keep the bottlenecks on the CPU instead of the GPU, but I was curious about how it impacts overall gameplay experience. a fair bit of stutter or frame dips come from momentarily overwhelming the cpu. can be true with rt also but rt testing gets into misleading results for other reasons

[@L0Lyeahright]

​@@Level1Techs Understood, and thank you again.

[@unotoli]

@@Level1Techs Almost all reviews are about 1080 or even 720 for .... reason. Many "x3D" enthusiasts will have to find a review with 5800vs9800 in 1440 now.

[@ChrisKadaver]

Thats just stupid though. 144p testing please just to troll the tards?! 😊

[@paalosordoni7932]

yes, not many channels do 1440p, and when you ask why not you get savaged in the comments section.

[@SmithyMC]

Great Review and big Thank You for including the 1440 and 4k Tests! I can save my pennies and wait to see what the 9900x3d and 9950x3d have to offer! Thank You!

[@M00_be-r]

awesome intro Wendell ;-) thanks for the review!

[@pamus6242]

I hope you are doing well Wendell. You need a hug. I need a hug. We all need a hug.

[@necktwister666]

I just need more knebep

[@Terran.Marine.2]

Hugs are good.

[@jmazoso]

@@Terran.Marine.2 and teddy bears

[@jarretta2656]

I must be one of the few tech people who doesn’t need a hug today

[@Veritas.0]

You need a hug today? Is it because the 'consumer friend' AMD is raising prices now that they're market dominant?

[@achinism]

Excellent review. Makes you wonder how much of a revelation the 9950 X3D will be, when it comes out, in terms of realizing the full potential of Zen5 arc!

[@MaxIronsThird]

it needs to have v-cache on both CCDs

[@Kvantum]

​@@MaxIronsThirdthat is the current rumor. Jayz2Cents hinted at exactly that in his 9800X3D video.

[@MaxIronsThird]

@@Kvantum why would he know, it's not like he has 9950X3D samples yet, they're only coming out next year

[@MrBlueBurd0451]

God, a 9950X3D with both CCDs having v-cache would be insane.

[@dkindig]

@@Kvantum I think he said cache on both ccd's was on his WISHLIST in that review...

[@TheHighborn]

As a 79xtx owner.... THANK YOU! (it's also on water :) )

[@4m470]

Bro, how much faster is you 7900XTX on water? Can you please give some performance numbers and stats?

[@K31TH3R]

@@4m470 Running water on either RDNA2 or RDNA3 will both net you around +8-12% depending on silicon quality. Neither generation are really all that limited by the cooling. The biggest benefit for water on either RDNA2 or RDNA3 is going to be noise reduction and significantly lower overall PCB/VRM temperatures that will likely increase component and solder joint lifespan.

[@erictayet]

@@4m470 I tried overclocking my XFX 7900XTX and I keep hitting power limitations rather than thermal limitations in the first few seconds where it basically crashed. I think water cooling allows longer boost just like in CPU. Expensive to do though. RDNA3 has be tuned to the max out of the box. Even VRAM can't be overclocked much. In game performance boost was slight. 1-3 fps at 4K so I gave up and just set to Rage mode whenever I game for higher sustained fps.

[@Noob2Ever]

I love the intro way way too much, you made my day with that. As one of your resident Linux using fans who is currently sitting with a 7900XTX - please do a Level1Linux video with more of the 9800X3D paired the 7900XTX setup. Honestly this is making me feel like I really did jump the gun and pick up a 9950X - I do mixed things on my computer but man, the gains on the X3D is so large that I'm actually legit considering getting it and move the 9950X to my future homelab server instead. But I'd love to see how the future 9900X3D and 9950X3Ds will look, I play a lot of Stellaris and other similar games (shoutout to Dwarf Fortress, Factorio etc) those gains would be real nice. If you can make a demanding Factorio benchmark (from a save game of very large scale factory) I'd be over the moon.

[@user-mt4zr5kp7h]

Lol I loved the Ricardo Montabon reference. I remember those old Cordova commercials with the rich Corinthian leather. For those who don't know, Corinthian leather was just a fancy word for vinyl LOL!

[@mytech6779]

It was a marketing term for the whole interior, only the rear of the seat backs and door panels were vinyl, the primary upholstery was actual leather.

[@rowdied9829]

I remember those commercials. We are old lol

[@erictayet]

KHAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is all I know about Ricardo Montabon. 😂

[@dkindig]

@@erictayet I STILL love watching him in that role!

[@budthecyborg4575]

Zen5X3D must have massively improved latency over Zen4X3D, we're seeing 20% improvement in multiple games. What a legend.

[@johndoh5182]

It IS a faster clocked chip for one and that helps game play, and then it has more L1, that helps game play, so............... I tried looking up differences between IODs but that was too problematic, would have to get back to the launch of Zen 5 articles and do a bit of reading. I'd say it's mostly about more L1 and that for SURE helps game play as does a boost in ANY cache size along with faster cores.

[@maxbirdsey7808]

@@johndoh5182 Zen 5 reuses the Zen 4 IOD - there's no difference. I wouldn't say it's the L1, because then standard Zen 5 would be a bigger uplift over standard Zen 4. Obviously clocks will be a factor, but generally I think Zen 5 is most likely bottlenecked with the Zen 4 IOD, thus not allowing Zen 5 to reach it's maximum potential. We don't see these issues on mobile (monolithic) or server (new IODs) for Zen 5 - just the Desktop configuration. The 3D cache enables Zen 5's wider execution to execute more reliably at that width where normally the IOD would starve it. A review (HUB or GN I think) showed that the 9800X3D multicore outperforms the 9700X while achieving similar clocks - thus inherently an IPC uplift has been enabled. Rumour has it that the Zen 5 R9 X3D parts will feature 3D V-cache on both chiplets. Now they're stacking the cache underneath they've mitigated the temperature sensitivity penalty that limited clocks, and if the extra cache actually helps feed the Zen 5 cores more than the IOD could typically be able to, the R9 X3D parts (particularly the 16-core) might actually out perform the standard 16-core due to the IPC uplifted granted by the cache.

[@pr0xZen]

It does also have a bit more power budget available to stay on peaks and iron out dips. And much the same for thermals. Zen 3 and Zen 4 X3D stacks were quite choked.

[@maxbirdsey7808]

Zen 5 reuses the Zen 4 IOD. Also I doubt it's due to the increased L1 otherwise standard Zen 5 would've been more impressive vs standard Zen 4. HUB saw a 15% uplift for the 9800X3D versus the 9700X while achieving similar clocks (5.2GHz). Cinebench previously didn't seem to show much bias towards the 3D V-cache parts with the 7800X3D 5% slower than the 7700X with 6% slower clocks. Basically then we can deduce that the 3D V-cache appears to enable Zen 5 to utilise more of it's latent IPC - presumably the IOD then is the limiting factor which given how good Zen 5 is in mobile and server, explains why Zen 5 is so lackluster on desktop with AMD having decided to reuse the Zen 4 IOD.

[@danieloberhofer9035]

"More L1..." 😂 🤦‍♂️ Armchair experts extraordinaire.

[@JeremyArchie]

Thank you for the 4K results... I'll be keeping my 7800X3D. 😊

[@reesesman8821]

Even at 1080 still the 7800x3d is a damn good chip I came from am4 so the 9800x3d was worth it for me at least

[@Somebody374-bv8cd]

I love the moonlight sonata movement 1 at the start.

[@TheGuruStud]

I think it took 20 yrs of hearing it to not get goosebumps. There's so much emotion crammed in it.

[@caribbeanknight]

Ahhh jet set willy.. 😌

[@danielbarnes3406]

I played this piece in contests. My favorite.

[@Somebody374-bv8cd]

@@TheGuruStud I also love how Beethoven wrote movement 3 to be a complete 180 from the pace and tone of movement 1.

[@munkus99]

I game in 4K native as often as possible, using a 7800x3d and 4090. Not many channels benchmark games at 4K because it's usually a GPU bottleneck at that point. Thanks for showing 4K results. I was super excited for the 9800x3d but it looks like the uplift in 4K gaming isn't much at all. Looks like I'll be sitting this one out.

[@h3ssto]

Well AVX-512 is huge if you want to emulate PS3, if I recall correctly.

[@garenburnerchannel3936]

I'm trying to find a SINGLE video about this, the only, review that has ps3 and switch emulation is techpowerup which cites a 1.5 fps difference? like what? my endgame pc build takes heavily into account rpcs3 so, if it's not much difference from other 9000 series then I'll get the best deal u know

[@SomebodyHere-cm8dj]

apparently the specific instructions used by PS3 emulation are not the ones boosted by Zen 4 to Zen 5​@@garenburnerchannel3936

[@jannegrey]

Read Alexander Yee's Zen 5 Teardown. Sadly it won't help much, because emulators even when they use AVX-512, don't use 512 bit data/instructions (they mostly use 128 bit ones). I am not an expert on this, but Alexander Yee is. Uplift is only noticeable (2x speed) when using pure AVX-512 to it's fullest extent. Which Emulators don't do.

[@jannegrey]

@@garenburnerchannel3936 Red Zen 5 Teardown by Alexander Yee. He mentions how it won't be useful for emulators. At least not now. Not with how emulators are written.

[@NootNoot.]

Check out TechPowerUp. They test RPCS3, although with one game, RDR and AVX-512 doesn't really help much

[@kingkrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa4527]

What I'm excited for is what this means for the future. Maybe stacking stuff on top of the I/O die? Stacking multiple CCDs? Double Stacking cache etc... The future is more exciting to me.

[@duckrutt]

A weenie core and a little bit of ram so everyone gets ipmi from the io die? Yes please.

[@MaxIronsThird]

Zen 7 is supposed to have the IOD below the CCDs.

[@SteveDice21]

Stacking CEOs on top of each other

[@fujinshu]

@@duckrutt That will be in server-only CPUs to cut down on IPMI costs for server motherboard makers, this is never EVER coming to home platforms thanks to market segmentation.

[@StaySic4Ever]

Oh the dual X3D CCD will be fun to see in games, we'll see how scheduler treats it and per game performance. With improved cache, can retain very good clocks with it now, though I'd expect scheduler to always try to keep the game in 1 CCD though. Or if maybe a game does have higher performance with more cores and well optimized with least cross CCD talk required. Using 7800X3D and 7900XTX it's great for sure, can easily last a while that's for sure. Now for future architectures if they could make 16c in single CCD keeping the non-c core type, even without SMT if it can make sense, I'd like such a chip.

[@andremessado7659]

Thank you for being one of the only channels testing these CPU's at 4K.

[@lgolem09l]

Why, so you can see how fast the 4090 can render these games?

[@thefreemarketeer765]

I have a 7800X3D and 4090 build and I am upgrading. Large gains to be had in cpu bound competitive titles, especially given how overclockable the 9800X3D is.

[@MarkHyde]

Intro is epic lol Great video.

[@MarioCRO]

The intro is great, love the theme of it... Also the yellow geiger counter in the background, top prop.

[@kingwooly6211]

Thank you very much for testing 1440P! Very useful to see whether the CPU is worth it If I game at 3440x1440 with 7900XTX, upgrading from 9900K, it seems like 7800X3D would be more cost effective than the 9800X3D?

[@bradeinarsen]

A fellow 7900XTX fan! I have the Sapphire Nitro and it's not just fast, it's the best looking GPU so far.

[@moctarfofana392]

As an owner of the XFX speedster version, it's nice to see the 7900 XTX getting some love and attention

[@PC_Ringo]

If ray tracing wasn't a thing everyone would be going for the 7900XTX. It is an excellent card no doubt

[@andersjjensen]

@@PC_Ringo For those of us who insist on 90-120FPS at reasonable solution without stupid amounts of upscaling, RT is still not a thing. That said, I can run Cyberpunk at a mix of High and Ultra raster settings, with RT reflections cranked to max, at 90FPS at 1440p Native on my XTX. If I had paid $1800 for a 4090 I would be incredibly miffed to find out that it can't do that at 4k Native (not that I have 4k monitors).

[@TheGuyWhoDidUrM0M]

Asrock Taichi 7900xtx over here man.

[@mars009]

I was going for an xtx, but they ran out at my store and they had a 4080 super @ 950, which seemed like a good deal all things considered. The Taichi white was going for $850 that day, kept hearing about hot spots, but I don't know much about that

[@stephenreaves3205]

This may be a Level1Linux question, but how does 3DVcache affect code compilation performance?

[@funkintonbeardo]

You get better improvements by improving your SSD (through better SSD or getting a motherboard that support newer PCIe) or with more cores. 3D VCache makes a difference but not as much as the other two.

[@stephenreaves3205]

@funkintonbeardo yeah you're probably right but I want to do some digging with it. Like do different compilers/languages benefit more than others? How is LTO affected?

[@funkintonbeardo]

@@stephenreaves3205 to give more information. You should check out Phoronix's 9800X3D review. Micheal does Linux compilation benchmarks, which is the platform to do compilation benchmarks. On Windows, NTFS is your bottleneck.

[@quademasters249]

I installed a 7TB industrial NVME drive for my dev drive. Compile performance is noticeably faster (coming from an Optane drive which is already fast) but, pre-compiled headers made more of an impact. Compile performance feels like it''s gated by the hard drive.

[@funkintonbeardo]

Why this retarded ass app removing my comments

[@Brad-p1c]

I am hoping the 7900XT drops to $600usd or below this Black Friday. I am pefectly happy with the 5600X3D, for now. Going with the AM4 platform back in 2018 was the best PC gaming decision I ever made.

[@RawmanFilm]

I would desperately like to see Factorio, modded mc, satisfactory, planet coaster or similar in theese benchmarks.

[@Bobis32]

Comparing a couple outlets the the 9800x3d is about 60-70ups Faster than the 7800x3d which was about 50ups faster than the 5800x3d

[@RawmanFilm]

@@Bobis32 how did they bench it? :)

[@Bobis32]

@@RawmanFilm raw ups limit doesn't account for megabasing will need to test that ourselves

[@tehpanda64]

I am really glad you benchmarked more resolutions instead of including big charts with tons of cpus to make the 9800x3d look better at 1080p. I think it is too easy for people to forget that anyone spending nearly 500 dollars on a "gaming" cpu is not likely to be playing at 1080p still. Unless they are professional e sports players anyway. No other reviewer I watched even so much as mentioned that 1080p with a 4090 is not a common gaming scenario.

[@ChrisM541]

"anyone spending nearly 500 dollars on a "gaming" cpu is not likely to be playing at 1080p" - EXACTLY! At 4K the difference between even a 5800X3D and 9800X3D is minimal at best. For the wise gamer, if your on AM5, playing at 4K, your best gaming CPU is a 7800X3D - NOT a 9800X3D.

[@Mathster_live]

@@ChrisM541 No? You're greatly misinterpreting the value of faster cpus, they're for power users and esports professionals because for them better performance = more money. Also, another reason why you'd want the best cpu right now for gaming (if you have the money and you're buying brandnew not upgrading) is for futureproofing. Given AMD's track record we can expect them to keep their support promise till 2027 and be wishful that they'll extend atleast to 2030. So in the coming years you can potentially get better GPUS and still use the 9800x3d. Like for me, I've been on AM4 for 6 years now, upgraded the cpu (3400g -> 5600x) and gpu once (rx 570 8gb -> 6700xt), I could potentially buy an AMD 7000/Nvidia 4000 or an upcoming AMD 8000/Nvidia 5000 series gpu. The same scenario can be true to someone who's already on AM5 with a non x3d cpu, they can buy the 9800x3d and call it a day atleast till the end of the decade if all they do is game. And to reply to the OP, You can infer that the current gen cpus are too fast and most games on higher resolutions are GPU bottlenecked

[@ChrisM541]

@@Mathster_live "most games on higher resolutions are GPU bottlenecked" - this is, indeed, today's truth. The question is, how many GPU generations does the average gamer enthusiast have to wait till the GPU 'catches up' to their CPU? Remember, the definition of enthusiast does not include a level of affluence to purchase xx90 cards! In truth, the amount of headroom current 'good' CPU's have to fully feed future faster GPU's is remarkably high, and, new GPU's are deliberately engineered so as to maximise that CPU headroom - profit always comes first, and if that can be strung out then it 100% will be. So again, no need to buy a 9800X3D if you have or can purchase a lower x800X3D model.

[@Mathster_live]

@@ChrisM541 Ofcourse if you are just an average joe playing games, you absolutely don't need it so why are you so adamant in devaluing these CPUs for people who do actually have the purchasing power, have the need and/or want the assurance that their cpu is going to scale well during multiple GPU generations. Are you upset that people want the best of the best when the price is being jacked up by scalpers? I can see why you would be angry of people buying from scalpers because it really affects all users and buyers but after the initial hype and buyer mania dwindles then you can expect heavy discounts just like what happened to the 7800x3d.

[@RinMinase]

3:30 Although they did not increase the VCache, they did bump the L1 cache from 512kb to 640kb. :)

[@TheWomble001]

Just ordered mine, can't wait to build it.

[@HypnoticSuggestion]

Awesome review. Gives me hope for an absolutely legendary dual CCD monster when the 16 core drops. It would be really dope to get the cache on both CCD's. Fingers crossed.

[@dramion5486]

Thank you for th 4k info even though it "Shouldn't" matter still nice to see. Also, it would be interesting to perform the same testing against Dragon Age The Veilguard with RT on and Ultra RT on considering the specs say you need a 16 core.

[@7_of_9]

Idk I am still on my Athlon CPU, maybe I will find a reason to upgrade one day

[@ThaexakaMavro]

2500+ xp

[@mytech6779]

@@ThaexakaMavro oooh 2500 was a good one, nice performance per dollar at the time.

[@MrHav1k]

Athlon 😂😂. Bruh You need to treat yourself!

[@MaxIronsThird]

wtf

[@fredsas12]

Jeez. I've got an Athlon, but its the latest one, i.e.: the 3000G. That plus a mobo and plus 16GB RAM cost like £130.

[@obi-wankenobi1190]

Fantastic footage as ever Wendel!, also a nice word in for the 7900 XTX,here me with a 5800X3D and a 6800 XT heck I'm happy than ever, but the 9800X3D is surely a direction I want to explore in May of 2025, great innovations are finally coming round, that with the Navi 48 which I think will be named the Radeon RX 8800 XT will be a very nice date correct package, as I have done with my 5800X3D and it's Navi 21 XT, so with that I am skipping ZEN4 & Navi 31 XTX. What would be cool is if Intel & AMD bring back the HEDT platform, aka High End DeskTop series, Intel did this with LGA-1366, LGA-2011 & LGA-2066. AMD did have Threadripper but for all I know they ever had a HEDT line, so might be interesting for both intel &A MD to bring back these kind of systems just to widen choice.

[@flepgg]

As someone with a 5900X CPU, I'm excited for this launch. Great video Wendell, appreciate the quick chart about SVM / Memory. Maybe do an extra video benchmark having the 9800X3D on different OC's / memory configurations to see if there is any difference? (Stock / 6000hz C30 vs Stock / 8000mhz vs PBO -10 6000/C30 vs PBO -10 vs 8000, etc? 1080/1440p/4K)

[@danieloberhofer9035]

Go watch HUBs review, Steve already tested that.

[@Carstuff111]

While folks may be disappointed that the averages were not increased by an insane amount, I am sitting here blown away by the uplift in lows! This is freaking bonkers and it is truly awesome!

[@0Turbox]

Just numbers, most of the time you won't notice it in game.

[@kompetytor]

Pleasure to watch, well done !

[@jkteddy77]

Very much love the skits, keep them up. A month ago I was reading coping comments that "just wait, 285K with 8600mhz and Zen 5% is through." Rome has fallen for intel truly, this is the widest they've let the gap be in 20 years

[@robertmyers6488]

Great job Wendell.

[@hiphoppop45]

At 4:00 or so, for the cinebench 2024 results, is the bottom supposed to say fps?

[@H20-Water-Pro-LLC]

Thanks for the laughs this morning!!!

[@ZWortek]

Really excited to see the 9950X3D. It's actually pretty easy to fix 7950X3D problems with Process Lasso IMO so I can't wait.

[@KastanDay]

Do server tasks like SQL DBs and web servers benefit from 3D VCache, generally speaking? I'd imagine databases might love that cache space... anyone have details or links to resources here?

[@reav3rtm]

Check Phoronix tests of this cpu, there are some postgresql benchmarks. It does help.

[@jit1528]

Can someone help me understand? I’m looking at the benchmark graphs specifically at 1440p and 4K. Does this mean it performs the same or as close as a 7800x3D at those resolutions?

[@joniqst]

Yup

[@LaOguldon]

was there not a security scare about SMT? that's why I think there was a note go around to disable it in bios to mitigate the problem (I could be wrong)

[@kanishkavikrampurohit]

Hey Wendell, what’s the wonderful beige box on the top shelf behind you? Looks a lot like a piece of HP test equipment!

[@chrisfuchs4366]

Did you set eco mode with the amd software or bios? If bios what values did you use?

[@TheUncannyF]

Thanks! Great video! I wonder how it would perform in a highly contentious scenario - multiple memory-intensive workloads running in parallel, or in VMs. How different would it be from a similar same-core, same-tech part without 3D cache?

[@napalmarsch]

thanks for the intro that did make me laugh after a rough day and thanks for the good review =)

[@jamesrivettcarnac]

Your intros are getting amazinger

[@ballfire99]

any testing with the 9800x3d on a b650e motherboard ?

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

should run just fine imo

[@davidjohansson1416]

Great intro music. Some real classics.

[@OlafDV-j2p]

9:30 There's no 95th percentile in the graph is there?

[@paulwestphal7336]

Wendel - The Ricardo Montablan comparison is appreciated 🤣

[@Yes-me4pk]

Linux benchmarking and comparisons to chips like the 9700x on resolutions ABOVE 1080p would be highly appreciated

[@chaosfenix]

It is interesting they are stacking the compute on top of the cache now. I wonder if they could start combining this with their Zen 5c cores. Could we see systems that have the density of the zen 5c cores but with performance of the regular zen 5 cores? If they can stack multiple layers like you say could we get even more? I am sure it might not make as much sense in the consumer market but if they could push all of the cache down from the compute die into the cache layer they could probably fit 16 zen5 cores in the same area they currently do 8. Multiply that by the 16 chiplets you get on the 9005 series and you would have 256 full zen 5 cores. Yeah they probably wouldn't do this in zen5. Zen6 then?

[@kennibal666]

Looking at the 4K results, I still don't see the value to upgrade.

[@Taikostuff]

Always a good time when Wendel is Wendelling!

[@TechnicolorTube]

The introduction was beautiful. Way to go AMD! What a great processor all around.

[@sarahsaffel9955]

I've seen 45 seconds and this is my favorite video I've seen all week.

[@hyperplastic]

Hopefully the 16 core has the vcache on both chiplets this time!

[@logipilot]

double the chance of a cache miss!😀

[@JP18181]

​@@logipilothow

[@xM4XT0Nx]

finally somebody showing 1440p, most tests only show 720p-1080p. i get that its the best resolutuib to test cpus on paper, but nobody plays on 1080p with a 4090 and 9800x3d

[@OlafDV-j2p]

7:00 The 7900 XTX seems to have far worse 1% lows than the 4090 in 1440p and 4K.. what happened?

[@Anon1370]

maybe its a driver issue i've seen the fps bounce around with different drivers

[@nickhirsbrunner4694]

Currently on a 12700K can't wait to upgrade to this should pair nicely with my 7900 XT. Awesome video +1 sub

[@Monarchias]

Hi Wendel! Once upon a time in history we added an Arithmetic Logical Unit into the CPU. What if we seperate the CPU into two slot on the mobo for the future? Can that be the next jump up? Heat spread, efficiency jump, etc.! Or no relevance for the idea? On the other hand when we will see virtualization using that 3D cache, like Proxmox, XCP-NG, and others?

[@kilnerdyne]

Thanks Wendell, your enthusiasm for tech is always refreshing

[@DeiLux]

are there benchmarks with 65w/eco mode on 9800x3d? I heard in the video that it didn't impact the gaming performance.

[@Aerobrake]

I ordered one at my local store and I will pick it up when it comes by :)

[@donaldexley1852]

the one thing not talked about here is the temps in gaming, which are amazing! they increased the max temp and it runs cooler then the 7800x3d in games so serious bonus time there

[@m4nc1n1]

I play at 4k so i will stick with my 4090 and Core Duo 😛. Seriously tho I would like to see a 4090 w/ 5800X3D @4k vs 4090 w/ 9800X3D @ 4k. Or even the 7800X3D in the mix.

[@jksoftware1]

This time around it would make sense to put 3DVcache on BOTH CCDs for the 9900x3d and 9950x3d since there is NO issue with pushing the cores as fast as possible and to help with the issues of the IO die has with this generation. I still say the issue with Zen 5 on desktop was the IO die and I'm doubling down on that now.

[@spicyandoriginal280]

Best chapter title ever. Keep calm and carry on Wendelling

[@fracturedlife1393]

look forward to the xtx vid. still on the fence about actually trying linux for gaming / general use and trying to get OC settings and overlays seems like a lot of faff

[@desmondbrown5508]

Honestly jumping from the 7900x to this CPU was a pretty big jump. Dragon's Dogma 2 basically almost never stutters, even in town. Silent Hill 2 Remake saw a 15 - 20FPS boost meaning that in most scenes if I cap to 60FPS at 4K, it's completely smooth in most scenes (still problems in some indoor areas, but that's a Konami/Bloober issue that's known and has remained unsolved as of yet). Baldur's Gate 3... it wasn't necessary, but getting an additional 20+ FPS wasn't a bad way to spend the money, it just meant there were less/no drops in demanding areas. I think that's been the largest boon of this CPU for me... the consistency of frametimes. Shame on devs that still have bad CPU frametimes even on CPUs that SHOULD be powering through their games. But just having that (even if by brute force via the 3D Cache) is kind of refreshing. Very smooth framerate/frametimes on DD2, Baldur's Gate 3, Callisto Protocol (most of the time now), Lords of the Fallen 2, and a few others that just had random stutters due to probably bad cache management in certain areas/scenes on the 7900X.

[@funkintonbeardo]

Wendell, have you tested it against 7800X3D iso-power? Does all the improvements come from increased power?

[@mytech6779]

But can the 7900XTX do compute acceleration in any practical way? (Physically sure, but the AMD gpu compute stack is like those decades-long tire fires.) I mean has anyone verified usability of a Sycl implementation for it, like oneAPI or AdaptiveCPP(formerly hipSycl/openSycl)?

[@k3salieri]

Now... How do we stack L1 and L2 cache?

[@arestavo]

Love the intro. Moonlight Sonata was a great choice

[@fredEVOIX]

I'll wait for the 9950 x3D but I'm very happy AMD got another winner maybe 7xxx x3d prices will go down as I just checked and their prices kept increasing since Intel was exposed the 7800x3D is +100$ from MSRP here borderlands 3 apparently gained 100fps between my current 7950x and the 7800x3d that's crazy can't wait to see my uber modded skyrim on x3D

[@christiankrueger8048]

Thank you!

[@kimikun83]

i come here after watching linus video... i didnt even finish his video... how suck linus can be right now... im glad i come here... thank you for including some of frametime... its far better indicator than fps if u reach 100+ fps... i once use intel 6th gen then 1st ryzen out... then i choose r5 1600... intel 8th was higher fps at that moment but i was happy getting 1600 coz the consistency in frametime... playing dota and csgo with stuck stuck frame even just milisecond can make u got emotional damage

[@progz5232]

YESSS THANK YOU A REVIEW WHO ACTUALLY DID 1440p

[@Nelthalin]

I would love to see a cpu with two stacks or a 96mb stack getting that L3 up to 128MB or 160MB. Older games that sometimes cannot hit high framerates when there are a lot of units on screen benifit a lot from X3D.

[@SparkySven]

Love your video, so much info that's 100% correct with even best GPU advice. I shared it on my socials. Expects your views to go even higher. We are VR flyers in MSFS2020 and the 19th this month we'll all be flying in VR in MSFS2024 aka Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 that will use all the CPU cores you can give it is what MS & Asobo said. I hope you get the chance to test it with a VR headset like the Pimax Crystal Light we all need to buy since MS cut WMR out of Windows 11 version 24H2 and bricks all our HP Reverb G2 headsets.

[@tourist6290]

Awesome news! Now i'm really, really curious about the 9900- and 9950x3D. Did you try already and test how the 9800x3D performs at 7800x3D level? That would be really interesting to see how much cooler it stays and how it still performs in comparison!

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

i tried gaming on 6ghz 265k like in february, it was very different from 7800x3d which a very fast cpu too

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

Need a mobile 15-30 Watt chip with 3D cache also on the GPU for handhelds.

[@jackthatmonkey8994]

I would love to see you do some benchmarks and share your knowledge on AMD's integrated GPUs. Their latest, 890M, is equivalent to an RTX 1070 TI, ostensibly. That is insane to me

[@Ztaal3]

Good stuff! The only thing I would have liked to see added in the list was a 9700x, just to see the difference with the same gen.

[@anonamouse5917]

1:00 About that launch... The same people that were complaining that Zen 4 ran too hot are now bitching that Zen 5 isn't fast enough. "It's 2024 and my computer isn't like the one on Star Trek, dammit!" Maybe these people should apply for engineering jobs at AMD and show them how it's done.

[@pyromethious]

How well would the 9800X3D fair vs the 7950x for software like Stata?

[@erictayet]

There's no need to double-stack Vcache. There should be enough surface area to cramp 192MB in the current silicon with all the TSVs under the CCD. Thermals should still be fine. The Vcache is not running hot. Thanks for testing 7900XTX at 4K. I'm sure upgrading from 5900X will have some impact at 4K. 5-10% maybe. Looking forward to 9950X3D for AI workload. Maybe I will buy a second 7900XTX for extra 24GB VRAM. AI loves RAM. ROCm performance in WSL and Windows is great. Will have to buy a good X870 motherboard so I can run 4x 32GB DDR5 6000MT/s ram.

[@ChristmasCrustacean1]

plus the fact that any more would be diminishing returns, same reason why they never released the 3D stacked infinitycache model of the 7900XTX

[@erictayet]

@ChristmasCrustacean1 agree for Zen 5 but for RDNA3, I'm not so sure.

[@vanveenmatt]

So no performance upgrade in 4k. Guess I'm keeping my 5900x a bit longer.

[@JosephK42]

Which chipset would be best

[@Arclight-n1w]

07:40 The 9800X3D has somewhat higher Memory Latency vs the 9700X according to AIDA64, which may be why the games most memory/cache-sensitive aren't seeing high jumps, despite the IPC and TDP boost. It would also be why games that scale best with frequency are seeing the biggest changes. It may be possible to just offset some of the latency loss by enabling PBO and jumping the CPU up to 5.5 or 5.6 GHz This is my opinion, take with a grain of salt. I'll be upgrading from the 5600X to the 9800X3D soon :)

[@Ajme-kb4os]

What would be considered a good secondary timing for a platform like this?

[@Terran.Marine.2]

I was thinking about this CPU in particular, recently. Since there is room for another Chip-let, would a similarly sized GPU chip-let make sense? 9800X3DG?

[@andersjjensen]

I have a 7950X3D + XTX for software development and fun. It blows my mind that the 9800X3D is 13-18% faster in code compile in the Phoronix battery. If AMD puts V-Cache on both CCDs for the 9950X3D I might convince myself that I need it. If AMD has gone ahead and binned the absolute snot out of the CCDs that gets used for the 9950X3D so it's even closer in max boost to the 9950X than the 9800X3D is to the 9700X then I WILL convince myself that I need it.

[@Petr75661]

I bet they will keep stacking more levels of progressively slower/bigger/cheaper cache in the future, maybe even some DRAM at the bottom.