AMD's Gonna Bankrupt You

[@The_Word_Is_The_Way]

Nvidia's CEO had a phone conference discussing how they will artificially keep GPU prices of the previous gen relatively expensive despite being two years old and a new gen about to release. See the video from Jayz Two Cents where he breaks down the recording and the implications of what is being said.

[@Kizzster]

If they keep it expensive they'll make less sales. They're already going to feel the China/Russia situation. They should focus on sales not play games on how to artificially increase prices

[@kerbodynamicx472]

Bruh… I thought Nvidia wants to get rid of the RTX 30s stock, and now they want to keep the prices high… this is gonna bite them in the ass

[@TimSheehan]

Step one was convincing Jay to tell everyone to buy a GPU immediately because prices were going to go back up 😂😂😂

[@bonevgm]

That's a great decision by Nvidia if they want to drastically limit their sales. I can either buy AMD or if they are doing the same wait a few more years for a new graphics card. I have a couple of friends that already switched to consoles, I can also do the same. A fasttrack to losing most of your customers when you offer a product that is completely uncooperative (compared to consoles). Then when there is no new crypto boom they will blame gamers for not buying GPUs. They have been blaming gamers and gamers have been buying very few GPUs since the 10 series. Nvidia either has to go back to the price structure of the 10 series or they will suffer badly with sales a few times lower then in that era.

[@shannonrhoads7099]

So I will be sitting on my 2070 Super. Tragic, really, you know! hashtag first world problems. :D

[@negativaura]

I’m getting more convinced these companies really want my kidneys

[@Drewkungfoo]

Yeah scummy business practices

[@Bare_Essence]

One question, can your kidney's be overclocked?

[@vincemcsenile7318]

Probably Chinese love eating kidneys

[@Real_MisterSir]

_Somebody get these companies some kidneys!_

[@jooch_exe]

Yeah Charlie, candy mountain!

[@garywoodcock8020]

The greedy companies are getting close to the point where they will price themselves out .

[@corylazart2407]

It all stems from egregious monetary and economic policy from the left. Big companies aren't just going to produce new goods and lose money to inflation. It gets passed on to the consumer.

[@ojhuk]

I just picked up a B550 board and a Ryzen 5700x to replace my ageing Ryzen 2600 (it served me well) and have to say i'm more than happy with it, my 2060 isn't bottlenecked anymore and games have a new lease of life with higher fps and very little stutter. I probably won't be looking to upgrade it for at least a year or two especially considering the considerable buy-in cost for the AM5 platform.

[@sprocket5526]

I'm actually considering doing the same, As soon as the am 5 hit the marked, retailers will probably start dumping 5700's and am4 boards like hot potatoes. And the am5 prices are going to be this steep, then no thanks. I dont have idiot stamped on my forehead

[@jonevans8498]

@@sprocket5526 Hoping these new chips push the 5800x3d even lower!

[@shannonrhoads7099]

I did something similar with an Intel LGA1200 platform. Someone was buying prebuilts and gutting them for the 30XX gpus at the height of the scalping, so I got an I7-11700F, 16 GB DDR4 3000mHz ram, mATX mobo AND the awesome Intel stock cooler for about what you'd shell out for JUST the X670 Carbon. Even with 1700 platforms out now, I expect I'll be good for years.

[@cyraxnguyen1793]

Love the notch troll animation, gave me a crack this morning. Thank you Editor!

[@catlinstevenson33]

I hate the notch so much 😂

[@extremelypuppy]

The iPhone did get more expensive. If you remove the charger and sell it at the same price you effectively increased the price to the amount of the charger.

[@extremelypuppy]

@Tech Overkill but over $40 to us

[@mikes3872]

With these mobo prices, there is literally ZERO chance I will be upgrading from my current 5800x.... Also DDR5 ain't exactly cheap either... If Intel's new mobos are cheaper, I'd lean towards them for the 13-series upgrade path... AMD, don't get too cocky.....!!!

[@u-k]

it's not really the amd's fault, its the mobo maker's fault

[@darkkingastos4369]

DDR5 is over hyped for this generation of games coming it isn't even needed....stay smooth my friend

[@alloftheabove8522]

If you have 5th gen ryzen don't upgrade, the only people this would affect is people with 3rd gen or older, I also think that no one will buy those and go with other brands, bringing down price. They did say am5 is more expensive to manufacture but it can't be that much more expensive

[@tihruytssgjjvsavcxtbvhj3429]

REMOVING SIM TRAYS IS 100% A DEAL BREAKER. When traveling internationally it is often required to buy a cheap local SIM to get cell service! I also swap back and forth between my nice phone and a burner phone when traveling to reduce theft risk! This alone is a total 100% deal breaker for me. I travel internationally every year, and it's already very difficult to get a sim in a foreign country in a foreign language -- imagine trying to buy and troubleshoot an e-sim in a foreign language! Also, I regularly swap between my main iphone 13 pro and an old iphone 7 with no apps to "technology detox".

[@locutusuk68]

There are a number of companies offer international e-sims, some at no extra cost, it saves time having to do anything and swapping sim cards, it just always works in the country you are in.

[@rcavicchijr]

@@locutusuk68 Being able to swap sim cards offers way more funcionality though. I have verizon, so I can pop my sim card out of my phone and put it in my tablet to get mobile data when there's no wifi. Plus when my mother broke her phone, I was able to just pop her sim card into one of my old phones so she could still get her messages and phone calls while waiting for a replacement. I would hate to lose that ability.

[@SpyderTracks]

@@rcavicchijr have you not heard of tethering? This is literally no different if the sim is e or physical. It doesn’t change how to swap sims.

[@NightMotorcyclist]

@@SpyderTracks Apparently they said you can store 6 eSIMs and 2 can be active at once. This alleviated some of my fears of removing the SIM card tray but carriers are known to lock things down terribly.

[@SpyderTracks]

@@NightMotorcyclist when you say carriers are known to lock things down, that's where I don't understand, there is zero difference between activating a physical sim or an eSIM, it's exactly the same thing, one is listed in the SIM entries of your google account on the phone, the other you slot in. But there's no difference for the carrier. Carriers won't lock it down, it's not in their interest to, they want you on their network.

[@XMG3]

they tasted what GPU could sell for during mining frenzy, and now can't get off the high.

[@7shortofperfection]

MB makers are price gouging. Hold off for the b650 IMHO.

[@ryantann]

I want to but I may just settle on the 5800x3d or 5900

[@ryantann]

Don't want to wait to long and the inventory for 5800x3d and 5900 gets scares. Which would end up driving up their price

[@7shortofperfection]

@@ryantann I mainly meant for pricing. Lisa Su said in the announcement that there will be a board at launch for 150. Specs unknown, obviously

[@ryantann]

@@7shortofperfection OK gotcha!

[@shanent5793]

If you can wait, it's not price gouging

[@Foxlum]

It's MSI, AMD unfortunately doesn't have much control over pricing and you can definitely tell MSI is price gouging based on the Godlike alone.

[@Clutch4IceCream]

The engineering that goes into the godlike is not for average consumers. They are targeted towards extreme overclockers.

[@Foxlum]

@@Clutch4IceCream Definitely don't think even the greatest overclocking boards for consumer chips should be $1000+ dollars. MSI is definitely cheating everyone at that price. (it's literally reaching for threadripper motherboard prices)

[@jeraldehlert7903]

Due to pricing I am now looking at Intel. 😞

[@neondemon5137]

You think intel will be cheaper? 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@SpoonHurler]

@@neondemon5137 they won't have a 6c12t processor for 300 usd and will probably release B series boards around the launch of said 6c12t processors.

[@Real_MisterSir]

@@neondemon5137 Intel chips on their own could easily be cheaper, and they fit on existing 660 and 690 platforms and work with ddr4 if needed so you have much greater variety in options to suit your needs. With AMD you are forced into a premium build even if you opt for their cheapest low-end offerings - at which point you start question why you're going for a budget end build in the first place (and budget end builds typically account for the largest marketshare, which is pretty bad for AMD).

[@Decki777]

@@neondemon5137 z690 motherboards are cheap and good .they can Support intel 13th gen and intel 13th gen also support ddr4 and ddr5 not just DDR5

[@jeraldehlert7903]

I'm not NOT looking at AMD... I just wasn't considering Intel as an alternative before. I am now. It will be interesting to see if the other MB mfgs follow suit, or if MSI is out in left field on their own here. I'm also curious to find out WHY there was such a big price bump this gen for AMD boards. I know previously there was a fan required for the chipset and that increased the price. I'd like to hear the why behind the what before I make a decision. All things considered though, I'm genuinely happy that these two titans of industry both have a fight on their hands. This is going to be an interesting upgrade cycle for sure.

[@petermitchell6348]

And what with peoples' pockets being squeezed with inflation, how do they expect to sell at those prices.

[@RobertBIrish]

People have proven they will pay the extra money so why wouldn't they charge you more the blame is squarely on the consumer not the company, stop paying these prices and they will stop charging it

[@demontekdigital]

I love how these manufacturers are pricing gear as though we're not in a recession. I remember when a motherboard was almost the least expensive part in a system. These days they're damn near more expensive than the CPUs you put in them. It kinda makes sense, but I miss the salad days, lol. The Nvidia high end price drops, and mid-end increases tells me all I need to know about them relying on miners buying their cards in bulk. Most normal gamers are completely ok with having a 3060 (Ti) in their systems, and don't really care about having the most expensive/powerful e-peen cards they can get. Them raising the prices on those cards tells me just how much of a huge margin they were selling the high end cards for. Personally, I have no pity, nor sympathy for Nvidia. They continue to wear their greed on their sleeves, and now those sleeves are also laced with fear because people are speaking with their wallets. I think one of those autographed GPUs should be put in a natural history museum with a picture of Jensen Huang, and the definition of hubris, with the description "Nvidia, the company that abandoned it's customers in the service of greed." on a display card for the world to see.

[@Jayare175]

this is recession pricing.

[@ayanbrahmachary113]

AMD is doing the same mistake what Intel did few years back and made a path for AMD to become more popular than Intel..

[@slimal1]

It's disappointing, but this is what competition brings. Intel now has the ball and I hope they offer better value for money

[@ayanbrahmachary113]

@@slimal1 yes. Eagerly waiting for 27th September

[@SpyderTracks]

@@slimal1 this is so funny, intel have already confirmed the 13th gen is going to be 20% more expensive than current.

[@slimal1]

@@SpyderTracks oh darn. I hope the performance uplift is on par

[@SpyderTracks]

@@slimal1 it's not from leaked benchmarks. Ryzen is going to win this gen

[@Skylancer727]

I say main downside to e-sim is not being able to upgrade your phone without going to provider store. I prefer just taking my sim out of my old phone and placing it in my new phone.

[@AzraelAlpha]

I can only imagine Apple's profit margins if they are A-OK with not raising their prices.

[@a.j.haverkamp4023]

It’s a great time to buy a 5950X CPU + X570 motherboard and DDR4 memory. The newer stuff might be faster but is also a lot more expensive. Don’t be a beta tester for all these new versions of all the components.

[@Austin1990]

Exactly. It is like when Zen first came out. Intel was a bit faster, but the price premium was not worth it.

[@Real_MisterSir]

agreed. A high end last-gen setup will likely cost around the same as an entry level new gen setup, and you will have tried-and-true hardware with their kinks worked out and good drivers and tons of forum advice should you need it. Early adopter premium could definitely hurt AMD even if they are performance competitive with Intel's 13th gen

[@thecwwshow8036]

I got a 5900x and x570 carbon for cheap. And for 4K it won’t change that much compared to a bigger change on gpu for gaming

[@brodriguez11000]

True, although hopefully all the lessons learned should make AM5 better, sooner. Also remember AMD AM4 was a generation distinguished by a lot of change (Ryzen debuted).

[@guily6669]

I don't understand how can they just keep increasing like crazy, with the cost of life being expensive with the war going on and they can keep selling like hot bread at like double the price? Wish almost no one would buy new hardware for a while and force them all to lower their crap 👿 Ps: what's the point of buying a next gen that is supposedly very good compared to the older hardware but then pay double the price too, what's the performance improvement left after the big price increase? NOTHING... Edit: I really wouldn't mind paying a bit more for the motherboard but not double and only if they could guarantee it would be future proof cause a lot of gens older chipsets start missing a lot of features forcing to buy a whole new motherboard to get the full performance of a much later CPU...

[@ryantann]

I was looking at upgrading also but with this pricing I'm not buying this crap. These AIBs must be out the ever loving minds to think this would be OK and acceptable

[@Snafu2346]

The pc parts makers have gotten insanely greedy mostly because of the gpu craze that had been set from the years past. They realized they could price gouge everything and the claimed everything had a shortage when it really didn't. Do you remember "RAM shortage"? yeah, that wasn't really a thing. Lasted like 2 months because they realized nobody was falling for their crap. Do you remember "HARD DRIVE MINING?" yeah, that wasn't a thing either. It was just an artificial fake media release created by Hard Drive manufacturers in hopes of creating a gouging opportunity. There is no regulation with any of this and there's a more behind this type of price gouging mentality but it would be .. offensive to state it.

[@vincemcsenile7318]

@@Snafu2346 You mean because CHY-NA, I'm still waiting for their economy to collapse because of their whole housing market scam. The saddest part is the ones who will suffer are their regular citizens who just want their homes or money back. None of it that actually exist because of CHY-NA price scheming.

[@Austin1990]

@@Snafu2346 The drive mining was real. But, it fried the drives so quickly that it was not profitable.

[@guily6669]

@@Snafu2346 yep it sucks so bad, technology only got cheaper and cheaper and much better over the course of years until a few years ago just kept increasing. And COVID was really the last nail, companies increased prices like nuts and the whole chain all the way to the bottom followed not long after and now it seems they can just simply enjoy much bigger profits 4 ever while our wallets only get smaller and smaller. I sadly had to cancel my Steam Deck order which was ready August to buy a used 8700K hardware combo since I was still using my old I7 2600K and only because 1 core burned thought still magically works by setting 3 cores in the bios... I was saving and waiting to see AMD AM5 but now I can forget it for a while. I'm now waiting for Next Gen GPUs and buy something mid-lower range to keep going for a while or by then even buy something like a used RTX 3060\70 as it will probably come down in price a lot next year when they release the newer gen of them...

[@tbreeze79]

I paid 700 for aorus x570E xtreme . I don't see no difference in price for that type of board.

[@benfowler2127]

Apple already makes like 10x the cost to produce an iphone. I realize much of that is R&D, and software updates, etc, but that’s crazy to think about.

[@Zaroff23]

I’m interested in seeing the price of the Biostar x670e price.

[@helldog3105]

The prices are so out of control on the X670 and X670E that I won't be upgrading. I can't justify 700 dollars for a motherboard. 280 is tough enough. 1K USD base for just the mobo, RAM and CPU is insane. That's on top of the fact that it's a new BIOS with a new socket. I troubleshot my way through Ryzen 1000 series and the X300 series boards. It was a nightmare. I will sit this gen out as my Ryzen 7 5700X is good enough for me for now.

[@KnightDelta69]

Well, this could finally be the time I test Soyo/Maxsun motherboards

[@johnpaulbacon8320]

With this new AM5 platform has AMD switched places with Intel and are now the "HIGH" cost platform?

[@zjsz4954]

Personally I’m disgusted by the idea of having a phone strapped to your wrist. I have never thought about Apple Watch and adventures, I genuinely didn’t think Apple Watch owners went outside of cell service.

[@Real_MisterSir]

I still view Apple watch as a cheap gimmick aimed at youth trying thinking it makes them cool. It's the last product I'd imagine would be popular for actual outdoor activity - and it still is. But today being in the outdoors is not actually linked with a desire to be outdoors, but rather a wish to show people on social media that you are outdoors - so I guess it makes sense.

[@mpiloz8016]

Vodacom doesn't like eSim on a phone very much from what I've seen, I did my Telkom eSim on my Huawei without issue though(when I eventually found a shop with a team that was actually aware that telkom offers esim)

[@deepend9376]

Apples price DID go up in UK and EU!!!

[@Lachlan_McDougall]

That’s called currency conversion nothing to do with Apple

[@deepend9376]

@@Lachlan_McDougall The increase for the 14 Pro is at least £50 more than the exchange rates would suggest.

[@oliviamoore3426]

Where in Europe is the prices lower for nvidia gpu’s here in Sweden the god forsaken rtx 3080 is about $1000 to $1200

[@ZSchrink]

I don't mind notches as long as apps are aware they exist. Like with KZbin, part of the video is cut out because I have a notch on the screen. That seems dumb to me. I'd like to be able to see the whole video, odd request, I know..... By and large, I understand that it doesn't take up so much real estate that I'm missing half the video, but there have been times where something has been on screen, just as a hint or something small, and I don't get to see it on my phone because KZbin doesn't respect the notch on a Google phone. If a Google app, running on a Google OS, powering a Google phone, can't figure out the notch, what hope do we have of other app publishers doing so correctly on the myriad of not styles which exist?

[@gscurd75]

Wait for B650. They will have the features most people will actually use without extra stuff you don't and be at a more reasonable price point around $200.

[@Real_MisterSir]

but they'll still be vastly more expensive than b550 boards, which is the problem. No matter which price bracket you buy from, you're getting less for your money than you would with a previous gen board, and that's a bad proposition for the consumer. On the other hand, with Intel you at least can still use older boards that arent price gouged to hell (even if they still are somewhat overpriced).

[@erkinalp]

Wait for X600.

[@gscurd75]

@@Real_MisterSir Getting a LGA socket with higher power delivery, faster storage options and faster PCIE slots is not getting less for your money.

[@Real_MisterSir]

@@gscurd75 LGA is nothing new, I mean sure certain things are improved such as increased connectivity but that's just a fraction of the cost - and Intel been on LGA forever so LGA itself is not a new concept - and many older LGA platforms could have been made to fit modern connection needs if said needs existed back then. But looking at actual components, mosfets and chiplets and sound cards and overall IO connectivity too, my point holds true. Looking at the socket in isolation and specifically with AMD, yea it's technically an upgrade. But in terms of the quality of the specific components and build quality overall, no you do not get more.

[@BenK12345]

everyone is doing it these days - they push their top-tier products first because those have the best profit margin. but you can be sure that better value options are waiting to roll out.

[@brodriguez11000]

Of course. It's like people have never encountered this before. The previous generation (AM4) was the same way. Plus we're asking for more from our motherboards compared to the previous generation (NVMe didn't exist).

[@mpiloz8016]

Luckily for them, there's plenty of people who "need" to have the latest and greatest... Then there's guys like me who still use a GTX 1070 and a 6th gen i3 😂

[@a-aronlincoln6309]

I will do as I always have and simply not purchase what I believe is overpriced and advise others to do the same. Because everybody dislikes gouging.

[@emp1985]

AMD biggest weakness this time around is pricing. IF Intels pricing pattern remains from the 12th gen, you can get a good b660 motherboard, 16GB of decent DDR4 and a 13400 for about the price of the AM5 motherboard alone... that's ridiculous.

[@thecwwshow8036]

The carbon was on sell so it was less than $200 more. What was the starting price on those when they first release

[@abnormallynormal8823]

I would never spend that much on an MSI board lol. Between the horror stories of people having boards brick after less than a year, and having my first MSI board get bricked when attempting to turn on UEFI mode and customer service telling me changing a bios setting can’t brick the mobo and refusing an RMA I stay far, far away from them lol

[@Shire_Sam]

2:50, so… no b650e or b650 pricing?? 🤔

[@ToptanFiyatinaPerakendeSatis]

in europe the regular 14 is already 1000€ what do we learn? never buy apple products

[@kathrynck]

It's early "whale hunting" prices. I would expect them to end up running about $80 more though, in all the various feature stacks. There's DDR5 & PCIE5. And then you have the "lets just print all the money" US inflation... which would add a fair amount. But right now, it's whale-season.

[@mazraelventacus914]

You are correct. Also if you by now you are a tester, bugs are inevitable on a new platform launch. People that buy later will have a more feature rich and stable experience.

[@TheGameBench]

Yeah, I have an X570S Carbon Max and I thought the 7950X sounded exciting, but these board prices just leave me feeling meh. Looks like I'm skipping Zen4, which is fine since I can see what RPL brings as well as 3D V Cache and maybe I'll even wait until Zen4+. At least it's down from $500 at the lowest from what I was seeing from Asus... but still. I wonder how much of this has to do with AMD charging more for licensing fees for mobo manufacturers... essentially making them the bad guys.

[@AndreyStevn]

Just think about this you'll have to pay almost 1000$ just to upgrade CPU+RAM+MoBo. What a time to upgrade. I'll wait for at least 5 more years to see how things go.

[@brodriguez11000]

Depends upon how much of a leap, and how long one hangs onto things. For example I made a much bigger leap from AM3 to AM4 after ten years with the old platform. So I've gotten my monies worth for my investment. AM4 will be no different.

[@AndreyStevn]

@@brodriguez11000 Of course, I get your point. But I jumped directly into Ryzen 5000 and RTX 3000 series. For my gaming needs, I don't see any need to upgrade. I have a powerful computer that can deliver great performance in gaming and working loads as well. For people in scenarios like yours, definitely, huge improvement.

[@triadwarfare]

I do wonder if eSIMs would be a more secure way for telcos to lock you in if in csse you did something wrong to them like not pay your bill and prevent you from porting the device out.

[@tayferguson10]

any info on the asus x670 tuf motherboard

[@elivelive]

Why isn't anyone talking about Huawei's SOS feature on the mate 50 which was launched some days ago🤔

[@jamakasis18]

Yeah no, 5800x3d combo will cost less than 7600x as it is now, and it may even drop in price

[@ryantann]

Right! I'm buying the 5800x3d asap!

[@Real_MisterSir]

yea AMD is actively competing against their own last gen products with these prices.. kinda shooting their own launch despite seemingly having the upper hand vs Intel so far in popularity. They still don't get that at the most basic level, consumers are just looking for the best deals in terms of total performance/cost.

[@RC360]

Sticking with 5000 series for a couple more years.

[@AK255.]

Upgrading does cost a lot but if your not upgrading and never had a desktop perfect time to get in.

[@hector3041]

Liked the pill cutout in the video well done

[@josephm3615]

Channel's like this one pushed the AMD is a friend narrative.

[@Real_MisterSir]

whoever makes the easiest-to-market headlines are their friends lol.

[@SpyderTracks]

Brett, me thinks you’ve been rather healthily paid off by intel. In the last year you’ve gone from pro AMD to anti at a time when AMD are only doing good things. Worldwide inflation is at 10%, TSMC have increased prices by 20%, Intel have confirmed 13th gen will be 20% more expensive than 12th gen. Yet you focus on AMD mobocracy being expensive at the top end rather than the whole range of cpus now including igpus yet being cheaper across the range.

[@axxis30]

why do so many think it is AMD's fault for the MB manufacturers MB pricing? I dont get it, am I missing something?

[@Penfolduk001]

How much price difference is there between Intel DDR4 only and DDR5 boards? Is this just because AMD are going whole hog with DDR5/PCI-E 5?

[@NightMotorcyclist]

AM4 wasn't all the much cheaper when it was first released and 3rd Gen Ryzen release prices were the same as that of AM5. I built a 12600K system to compliment my Ryzen 5 5600X system as I was interested in playing around with the new Intel architecture. It wasn't all that cheap when it was first released.

[@Skylancer727]

Prefer if they made the cutout on the corner like Samsung. In the corner you'll rarely notice it's even there. Only downside is holding your phone off angle when taking a selfie. Not as annoying as a blotch in the middle of all content.

[@Atheist7]

0:47 The computer you really REALLY want..... Now only $7,500.oo.

[@Neeboopsh]

guys, for cdma and tdma phones you have to have your imei etc married to your account. but thats so old. with gsm we can now have your account on a sim card, so if you get a new phone you can just pop it in there and boom. done. also if your phone is unlocked, you can travel the WORLD and use local sims on the GSM global standard! HOW CONVENIENT! also 2022 is here, ditching that whole plan. call your provider and link your phone to your account so you can use it.

[@ayumuaikawa]

Since CPU didn't get price increase the difference went into the motherboard (maybe the chipset? so it's AMD faults?)

[@7shortofperfection]

The pill animation was the absolute best

[@bvbvf]

"going low end" would not be a x670 board but instead a b650 and those will start at 125$ (according to AMD). Not to mention x570 boards are discounted (even if only a little) so looking at the cheapest listings for x570 isn't a really fair comparison given that their launch prices were cheaper, yes, but not by that much

[@DJ-fw7mi]

If Intel has the intelligence to be the better price to performance this generation I might switch.

[@adamtajhassam9188]

Im still laughing @ AMD . Remember Jays 2 cent advice: Where is the problem? What do I need? Is it worth it? - if the answer is a clear NO other is no need 4 panic. let these companies realize then jump on ur fav platform that works 4 you.

[@sabishiihito]

PCIe 5.0 switches are *not* cheap for one, and DDR5 requires stronger signaling. It would be more appropriate to compare these prices to Z690 DDR5/PCIe 5.0 boards than X570 which used DDR4 and PCIe 4.0.

[@rule1capital]

Today on Newegg, you can buy awesome Gigabyte X570S boards for $230 (Aero G) or $280 (Master)... if you don't want/have thousands for a build...

[@jacqli69]

AMDiscount has ended. Now it's AMMilking Time!

[@shorty808100]

If you on a R9 chip already then you don’t need to upgrade for quite a while like me I’m running a 5900X by the time I go to AM5 and Zen4 the 8000 series CPU’s may be out i don’t see the point in upgrading until you actually need to or something dies on you

[@Mos_Ion_Roata]

I miss the days when Queen was still alive and PCBs were green and companies were not as greedy ...

[@-MaXuS-]

So I don’t know of 1 single retailer selling the Nvidia Founders Edition here in Sweden. Same thing with the 20-series, it too wasn’t widely (or unwidely for that matter) available for purchase either. At least not at any of the medium to big retailers that I checked all thru it’s life cycle. Which is perhaps not THAT big of a deal but I just don’t understand why Nvidia would opt to have their own model together with all the AIB models. Sure Sweden is a comparatively small market but it’s far from poor and a consumer base that I would say is not only able but willing to buy new tech. It’s weird isn’t? 🤔 Well…come to think of it there we’re no price increases by the retailers during the entire GPU shortage which is likely to mean there’s laws against price hiking. I would gander to say over half of the GPU purchased at a retailer instantly went on the auction sites. Makes sense Nvidia would target their FE cards somewhere else seeing how the FE model was at least $200 cheaper than any AIB card. But still…

[@Moochy999]

Forgetaboutit! The manufacturers have increased performance and pricing, but, 99% of PC users do not NEED any of this nextgen hardware. I will hang on to my setup for three of four more years and see what shakes out at that time. Ryzen 5 5600X, Asus ROG STRIX B550-F mb, Crucial Ballistix 32 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory, EVGA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti 8 GB FTW3. This setup far exceeds my day-to-day usage and gaming at 1440p. I see hard times for manufactures due to lack of sales going forward. Aside from bleeding edge people, very few need the latest.

[@pec1739]

chill, when the great economy depression come, all of these will get knock back to low pricing

[@mix3k818]

Guess I won't be buying these motherboards then.

[@MirelRC]

Now I hope R* will update soon RDR2 with FSR2.1. I love the iPhone 14 Pro pill cutout with those animations. AMD should fire that guy who came with the idea of this new naming scheme for laptop CPU's.

[@smolartbean205]

“We’ll discuss the official unveiled UNPRICING….” Brett got it right the first time there lol. Well, these prices are just sad. Not just mobos but potentially DDR5 RAM and Pcie 5 ssds. The only thing they have officially unveiled here is that “budget” gaming is no longer part of the product lineup. Maybe I’ll wait for the B650 chipset to arrive, and hope that at least it could be “affordable” but not necessarily cheap.

[@latlanticcityphil]

New motherboards, I'll wait in 2 years for my new upgrade

[@sharrell7643]

X570 series were 250.00 plus when they came out for 5000 series. nothing really new once you factor in the ridiculously high cost of everything now

[@bumblefoot5]

Think I'll just wait for price drops and put highest end possible in my x570. Then focus on GPU after that.

[@AnonymoZero]

Calling it now with Intel's 13th Gen mobos.

[@Anlushac11]

Just point me to the Mini-ITX mobo, and a Socket AM5 APU. Yes, I am aware they are not out yet. I can wait.

[@古賀惣仁]

holy mother of motherboards that is rediciously expensive. hopefully the b650 or a620 motherboards will be more affordable

[@Atheist7]

5:51 That's FRIKIN' STAR TREK TECH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@darreno1450]

These boards are made with top-shelf parts. You have to pay for them.

[@imo098765]

that timestamp for x670 prices. truly South African

[@user--PM]

i know someone hates the notch, i bet Catlin made that just to troll us all, well done, ya gave us a good laugh.

[@Fractal_32]

Anyone expecting X670E or X670 to be cheap was fooling themselves.

[@wnxdafriz]

Please no one blame AMD on the mobo prices.... at launch they are just doing a whale pricing because supply will be limited (honestly supply for a new platform won't be fully stocked probably until march which is generally a seasonal thing as well as being after CES for marketing) the AIB partners shot themselves in the foot though... i remember they worked closely and AMD even said the design of x670 is actually cheaper than x570 to make due to how they designed it.....

[@I_am_Allan]

*leans on my cane* Back in the 1990s and early 2000s ... we had TDMA and the phone was sim-chipless. Apple is pushing us back to that. e-sim sounds good on paper, but what happens when a carrier says "oops, we locked the e-sim and it can only be used on our network."?

[@user-pq4by2rq9y]

So motherboard manufacturers will kill zen 4. You can buy a last gen gaming laptop for the price of MSI's high end mobo.

[@gibdi0n]

in US price is the same, but EU up to $200 price increase. China is spared as well.

[@kingofstrike1234]

well it's the x serie not the b serie, the one people will buy I expect it to be in the b serie with probably much more great vrm quality than intel b660 mobos

[@PRiMETECHAU]

Those UFD tech deals seem to be USA exclusive.

[@steezegod2768]

Never, I'm not paying it. the mb isn't as important as the cpu imho, a 7950X3D maybe 1K, MAYBE but, I see in your video exactly what x670/e look at MSI prices, I wanted a Asus Gene, so I google it: ROG Crosshair X670E GENE - 977 Euros ($994 US) Theirs noooo way fam :/ is it due to dual 5nm? Is it price gouging... I can't understand the market. Probably got 500$ itx boards as well smh.

[@billlawson3467]

Nothing but early adopter tax. Remember they are "Announced" and not released. Hey look they are on "Sale" now. Marketing

[@curties]

+1k for a MSI Mainboard? Thats like the ultimate way to burn money.

[@necronminer7980]

If this one mobo does me 4 generations... maybe I'll sell my kidneys for a board

[@ktpt3732]

Seems like MSI is driving customers to buy Raptor Lake with their price gouging, while killing Zen 4.... something suspicious is happening here....

[@thecwwshow8036]

“2x more noise cancellation whatever that means” “AirPods pro doesn’t have enough noise cancellation. It’s just not for me I want something that is better”. Ok

[@tayferguson10]

and no one explained if we need a psu upgrade

[@georgenicholas4700]

What these company fails to understand is the budget builders are the ones who depends on them there should be a balance consumer buying for the expensive and budget builders I hope amd will see to this.

[@out_fur_blood]

Just wait until January 2023, I hope they will come down on price or more motherboards are available for the low end spectrum.

[@riusu8672]

man listen ill bother with new gen mobo with the ddr5 and what ever ryzen is out at the time of purchase within maybe 3-4 years. atm i own a 3900x and my goal is to upgrade my 1080 ti for a top line gpu in the coming months. my second priority depending on the possible bottle neck of my 3900x with my new gpu would maybe be to get the 58003d within maybe the next 6 months or so. aside from that let the Rich boys have at it. :)

[@RuskiVodkaaaa]

anyone who buys into these motherboards is just going to make these problems worse in the future, these motherboard prices are absolutely insanity. Literally the price of mid tier GPU's...GPUS!!!!! We need to complain about these prices with our wallets, not our words. Dont buy them and the prices will fall.