AMD Threadripper vs Intel i9... should you buy now or wait?

[@riep69]

your ads are the only ones i like to watch

[@optiquest86]

HardwareCanuks also have excellent advert spots. :)

[@onlypants2191]

riep69 no man KYLE from awesome Sauce hardware is better at making ads more entertaining

[@2manyblueberries]

Na my ads are better.....

[@riep69]

they sure look very professionnal but jayz's ones are funnier

[@robertharaldsson2881]

I put a thumb up right after the ad was done XD

[@Moshe_Dayan44]

"Threadripper" NOT a cool name for a CPU? Are you nuts? That's just about the COOLEST name you could name it! The thing rips through threads like shit through a goose. Makes it sound so fast you can't believe it. It's an AWESOME name for CPU!

[@AvroBellow]

It's like Jay couldn't find anything negative that was of any importance so he reached. I don't know why people do that. I love the name and even if it was called "AMD Shit Stainer" it would still be an awesome CPU.

[@TorbjrnViemNess]

Shit Stainer because of the brown spots it caused in Intel's metaphorical pants when it was announced! :D

[@riyan3457]

your profile pic tells why you think so

[@MGlBlaze]

Threadrip and tear, until it is done.

[@Moshe_Dayan44]

Actually, although I have been an AMD user and supporter since my very first AMD 386/40MHz in 1991, I would find that codename cool regardless of whether I liked AMD or not. C'mon, you've GOT to admit it's pretty damned cool! I mean it RIPS through processor tasks like greased lightning!

[@krilcclo]

As an Intel i7 4770 (non unlocked) owner, I have been telling a few friends to go AMD quad core 8 thread. YES, the 7700k is better for gaming, but measurable vs noticeable are 2 different metrics. For the frugal spender, I believe AMD has nailed it.

[@JohnnyTsunamiGG]

i have the i7 4790 and can say next time I upgrade, I'm most likely going with AMD

[@krilcclo]

...the 7700k has NO cooling... what's your point?

[@JgHaverty]

Yeah Im rockin a 4790k myself right now, I dont see myself even bothering upgrading for a year or 2 lol. Theres no game we cant "max" at the moment.

[@isthisnametaken978]

Justin Grimes I think what he meant was the heatspreader is not soldered to the CPU. Instead, they use cheap TIM that is poor at transferring heat.

[@mandasantoso]

Well, actually it's not only for the frugal spender. Anyone (sane) loves a good value proposition.

[@Jeffrey_Wong]

That Fractal ad is probably the best one yet

[@Leroyteam]

yee

[@richardcheese8095]

yes

[@rjd659]

Nic aced the delivery of his lines; so much convincing passion. He's really going full-geek

[@vanergr]

dat ad...awesome Jay. Fractal ads are the best.

[@outlawman007]

jeah the ad is cool :P

[@sharkdiver5216]

Only one question is Jay plays dad or... mom? ;)

[@vanergr]

Mom! Jay is the mom because he gives me the answer yeah so? and is like "dah ... it's clearly that...."

[@generalkitten2100]

sure it was a COOL ad

[@brendenmichealjefferyjorda9496]

i thought threadripper was a cool name...

[@beardyboy8107]

anikanbounty97 YEAAAH BOOOOIII

[@ared18t]

BrendenMicheal JefferyJordanRyan it makes me think about farts lol not a good name

[@airbusisawesome]

Doesn't matter which CPU you buy, as long as you put a Celsius S36 on it... it'll be cool

[@xxburichxx]

cooler*

[@jspinks2388]

no it's probably shit...using smaller hoses and nothing I swear beat that corsair pump. Prove me wrong send me damn pump that works right this frostflow pump blows Lol

[@FeuerToifel]

you do know that all those AIO coolers are made by the same manufacturer? or at least, most of them

[@sharkdiver5216]

only if you have Big... case. ;)

[@wardope]

+FeuerToifel are you trying to make a point? just because they are mad by the same manufacturer doesn't mean they are all the same. it's like saying an Audi rs7 and a WW polo are the same. it's such a dumb statement!

[@nik_narcotic]

Oh god the ad for the cooler was amazing.

[@JonatDonat]

i just burst out laughing. It really did make things cooler.

[@StarDruid]

I have not problem with ads like that.

[@tech6294]

That was a super bowl quality commercial lol!

[@wadoryujh]

best ad ever

[@Ageassia]

I hate ads. This one ... omg so cool ! \o/

[@veritynationtv4492]

What I've always liked about AMD is being simple with the sockets. I was forced to go intel when AMD Bulldozer hit, but with AMD back in the game, I can go back now and not have to worry about getting a new mobo everytime I want to upgrade, which is what I have to do now with this intel platform.

[@johnvandeven2188]

Isn't it amazing that when AMD needed new boards for every new cpu release that consumers became angry and disinterested but it was OK for Intel to do this and get away with it. How the tide has turned.

[@sdfsdf2205]

I'm so glad there is competition for Intel again. Competition results in innovation.

[@TheYoloCraftMC]

it also results in lower prices

[@alansun697]

Intel has STRONG COMPETITION with AMD because they have BLUE in their logo. And blue is pretty.

[@huh737]

blue is overrated

[@alansun697]

Yimin Lu, BLUE IS BEST COLOR.

[@aquaprofile]

People who get hard for competition are the people with Intel I7s and Nvidia pascal cards currently in there system

[@Cwrigh25]

Best commercial yet lol.

[@Goodvibesandfood]

Much funnier than the commercials that broadcast on live TV.

[@ProStateExaminer]

+Anderson Perez And cheaper.

[@calvinfarrow3819]

Cwrigh25 nah, I think the comparing case sizes commercial was the best imo.

[@VegaTech]

IKR!!

[@Cwrigh25]

Oh for sure. If tv commercials were like this we would not mind as much.

[@spookychief]

I moved from AMD about 3 years ago because their CPU's just couldn't keep up with my demands. Now that they are coming back with highly competitive products I may look to switch back in the coming years. I really have no reason to leave my 5820k at the moment. I don't care what brand CPU is in my computer I just want the best performance for the best price.

[@hotroof]

AMD Thread-ripper vs. Intel Wallet-raper.....

[@mrcyberu2]

Karl Schneider i see what you did there, hahaha this made me laugh

[@igoo5851]

could also become and AMD Wallet-Anal-Raper because atm we know nothing

[@collic01]

True, although there just seems no way they won't undercut intel. AMD has always done that, and in the Athlon days that built the company.

[@JemuzuKICK]

Is it called thread ripper because the AMD thermals make the threads rest in peace?

[@Jito463]

+Zeinzu Debisu You do know that AMD's thermals on Ryzen are significantly better than Intel at the moment; and it's not the first time that Intel ran hot and AMD was the cool running CPU. AMD and Intel go back and forth in that department all the time. Given that TR and Epyc are both based on the same modular architecture as Ryzen, there's no reason to believe they'll run any hotter than it does.

[@PJAllport]

That preroll was awesome. Keep working with cool manufacturers and being creative!

[@dakbassett]

I would build a Ryzen pc if I were building today. Longtime Intel user but the bang for your buck in the Ryzen 5 is awesome.

[@dustintucker2]

Wether you are an AMD fan or not. The release of Ryzen and the upcoming cores should excite you. It means competition. And most of the time, competition means lower prices. It's win win for both sides in my opinion.

[@dustintucker2]

I should also not that this comment was not aimed at anyone in particular. I'm not assuming anyone's preference of chip set. Just my two cents...

[@connivingkhajiit]

dustintucker2 i agree. I think its great to see AMD being so competitve in 2017

[@purplexenno]

we will see. I have this bad feeling that Intel's idea of "price slashing" and our idea are two very different things, at least as far as history has shown anyway.

[@dustintucker2]

purplexenno indeed. Intel has never been great about offering affordable pc parts lol

[@halsaufschneider1446]

Fans are cancer, no matter how you look at it. You can explain the world to them. The secrets and the truth about the 7 sinners of hell. They will still fanboy for one side or another and blatantly IGNore the facts. While they lie about the competitor at the same time at the most disgusting and false way possible. Especially if they bought the product!

[@IAmBrownThunderOfficial]

That fucking Fractal Design sponsor film made my evening

[@Sheena1234ization]

Made my afternoon........

[@leightonelliott3140]

Aniruddha Shanbhag For some reason I really dislike Austin Evans aside from that the ad made my day.

[@MrMarci878]

Honestly, i think thats how ads should look like lol

[@cmdcs]

Looks like Jay has become more AMD friendly since Ryzen and his last impression about the new AMD architecture... good direction! ;)

[@doriancarlier3170]

C. A. So have everyone become. Its like the golden state at basketball... You hype up something everyone jump on the bandwagon

[@YotaNinja]

Okay, that was one of the best intro ads yet. I had to pause the video to share my appreciation.

[@mrsem6670]

And why are they at Austin's?

[@EmmaRenee_19]

Regardless of whom wins, it is just great to finally have some competition in the CPU market again.

[@hotroof]

Amen, brother! I think Lisa Su has her head on straight and over time the competition and the product will keep improving. Problem is even when AMD wins, they don't win. Intel and Nvidia still sell more and pull in more profit. I'm rooting for Team Red. The better the competition the better it is for we the consumer.

[@fredwilkins]

Got that Right...!! 3D company here.. Just starting out!

[@Barnacules]

The commercial was hilarious, well done! :D

[@Maxsation2481]

I'm a gamer, so my opinion will be based on that aspect of things. I'm torn between the two..Intel or AMD. I have used both in my builds, both did well for what I needed them for. My first complete build was pieced together for $190, everything brand new. I opted for an AMD A6-7400k @ 4.5ghz and paired it with 8gb 1600mhz ddr3. It worked and got me playing at 720p on low-medium settings. My current build is utilizing an Intel i7-6700k @ 4.4ghz and a gtx 970. Needless to say that this is the better performer and I can now crank 1080p at maxed out settings, I also spent roughly ten times the cost of my AMD build ($190) on my Intel build ($2011). That being said, if I had to chose one, ill most likely go back to AMD. The value you get with Ryzen and the performance being that of the i7-6950x territory for 1/4 the price cannot be ignored. More bang for your buck. In the end a lot of us gamers are everyday people with other priorities as well and the value aspect will always win us over. I am aware that you get what you pay for, but with Ryzen you essentially pay less for more. Where gaming is concerned, it really comes down to your GPU and sonewhat on your RAM anyway. So I feel on a gaming rig , money should be spent on your GPU and even a moderate CPU like an Intel i5 or a Ryzen 5 will do the trick just to avoid extensive bottlenecking of said GPU. Thats my two cents. Thanks for the vid Jay! Keep up the good work. Studio looks awesome!

[@johntotten4872]

If you spent $2011 on a 6700k and 970 combo you way over spent on alot of crap you didnt need. You could have built a kick ass system with those parts for easily $1200 that would last for years. To each his own spend your money how you want. Amd gives you better value most times but also sometimes you have trade offs to get the better value.

[@Maxsation2481]

Yeah, I know. At the time I had the cash and the i7-6700k just came out and the GTX 970 was what I wanted for my ITX build. I wanted to future proof it as much as possible, and I know I have a few more years out of this rig at least before I have to upgrade. By that time I anticipate a vast majority of companies will be delivering way better options than we have now as well.

[@lsshewolf]

Take it from another gamer that has both intel and ryzen If you muliti box ryzen is the only way to go out performs intel high end hands down

[@d0wnl0ad]

Intel is king of gaming but if you do editing, AMD gives you more cores for the price

[@Amik00001]

singlecore performance(OC) still worse then the 5820k -> cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-1800X-vs-Intel-Core-i7-5820K/3916vs2579. That gives you bad Luck in gaming man.

[@balazsdombi7225]

When you watch an ad and it was worth of your time, you know you watching Jayz

[@ArcOfSky]

Balázs Dombi Kyle (bitwit) makes good ads also imo

[@attractiveguy142]

honestly jay is like the philip defranco of tech tubers. no bullshit, and great information. your talking head videos always have me listening closely and taking your take on things seriously.

[@a.masood3631]

If ads become that cool I have no problem with them.

[@TheMelxang]

That ad legit made me watch the rest of the video. lol

[@baguetten8004]

it was DOPE

[@bouncinbetty2032]

You weren't going to watch the rest before you seen the ad?

[@jspinks2388]

No that's a Cool add I want drink some Jim Beam and get Drunk but i don't Lol

[@Moibhin]

i love these adds in the video. i kinda want more hahahah

[@Quiz6556]

For workstation use for modeling and virtual machines I am keeping an eye on what AMD is doing, if they keep pace with how Ryzen performed for me the value will be there. That also carries for Vega and Ryzen respectively. For what my workloads are team Red is more viable then teams Blue and Green.

[@taketimeout2share]

I am HAPPY that AMD are back. We live in interesting times. Oh boy, this is like 2003 all over again.

[@riyan3457]

taketimeout2 and 2006 will come soon

[@DragonballGamingiloveanime]

EurypteridX hahahahaha

[@Fux704]

Phenom II X4 was a beast too! The game was hot in 2008.

[@obeliskt1024]

I'd go with AMD this time because I want to help the pc community have better choices. AMD is aiming for a bigger market share guys, and when that happens, Intel will be brought down to its knees and have to compete with the most optimized price to perf on every release and that's a win-win for US.

[@Dragoninja833]

Probably not. I'm sure businesses are who buy the most CPU's and appropriate hardware. These companies are going to be looking for things that are reliable, work, and are efficient. AMD was previously none of those things while remaining effective. Bringing intel to it's knees would take at least 10 to 15 years minimum. They haven't pulled out all of their guns yet, as they have had a long snooze while AMD was getting their crap together.

[@danielmonsanto8286]

Marvin Fernandez have to agree. right now especially, Ryzen is far too immature to be used in the business space. I don't think any reasonable systems admin would think of switch to it for another year or 2 at least.

[@worldofai-games1036]

Time for Intel to start chagrining reasonable prices. Intel has been known to use dirty tricks to keep it's large market share (paying major computer manufactures to use only Intel products).

[@DragonballGamingiloveanime]

World of AI - Games how is paying to use their products dirty? thats called bussiness

[@Lullabbbyyy]

Dragonball Gaming well because ryzen making it cheaper and with similar spec or higher, so most people would rather buy ryzen than intel

[@bitbat9]

All Intel did was rename their i7 extreme edition cpus to i9

[@jameshewitt891]

Is that a problem? It finally differentiates consumer and enthusiast class products without actually needing to know about the CPU architecture.

[@vanguardas9927]

Well it's about time they renamed it. The only stupid thing about this is why the fuck are the the 7740k and 7640k not on LGA 1151.

[@jeanpignondepied]

+Vanguardas Vucava 'cause money you know

[@sumanasoh]

Vanguardas Vucava Yeah it really make no sense why they would release 6/12,4/8 and 4/4 when u have the mainstream for that. Profit I guess.

[@gardian06_85]

the rabbit whole goes deeper, most X-series boards start in the $150-$200 area, and then your going to drop a 4/4 on that. the Hell? it would also mean that it would be the first i7 without hyper-threading.

[@mfdsuk]

One small group of gamers who will love this is EVE Online players, they can often be found with multiple clients open so more cores means more clients can be run at once and on higher settings..

[@umbles7007]

Whatever is best for the price. Don't care either way. But right now I got my 1700 OC to 3.9 @ 1.28v and I wont be needing anything more for a good long while.

[@Shadow0fd3ath24]

Umbles im on a fx8350 at 4.4ghz and dont need more....but just bought a 6700k and 16gb ddr4 2400mhz for $330 and will be building that soon

[@Chez1863]

ShadowOfDeath24 you wont regret that 6700k

[@phobiuspt]

Wish I had a R5 or even a R7. Bought a 6700k before kabylake being released, if I had waited a little longer could've gotten a huge boost in rendering times. It's taking me up to 3h to render 1080p60fps videos D: (Using heavy plugins though to "convert" 24fps to 60)

[@theotherchannel2279]

That's nice, I take it you are water cooled, what motherboard are you using?

[@umbles7007]

Yes, for coolins I'm using the H100i V2, and for my Motherboard the Asrock x370 Taichi

[@trolling4dollars816]

Great preroll. I watched this vid primarily for the Fractal ad.

[@LukePRTR]

back in my day we didnt have i9 . i7 was our best

[@buenaventuralosgrandes9266]

nah xeon E5 is still our best though. i mean come on 22 cores and 44 threads

[@manishgohil1663]

back in my day athlon was the best

[@kgtc]

LukePRTR Back in the days marketing was more reliable. Credibility were in those days.

[@dhruvchawla5476]

Back in the day the 486 was the best

[@0cTeT]

Dhruv Chawla when you actually owned a 386 then later the 800 mhz duron then the p4 ahahah

[@Britec09]

BUT MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE PAYING FOR UPGRADES ARE NOT GOING TO UPGRADE

[@Thmyris]

Britec09 and thats why cpu companies rely on bulk buyers, instead of individual buyers. They make their plans to sell in bulk.

[@caffeineaddict213]

Mission control, we did it. After years of waiting, we finally got them. I'd like to thank my family, friends and fellow subscribers for holding on and not giving up - for putting up with me during the hard times and supporting me in this cause - it's been an honor. We've been through a lot, but it has not been in vain. Today, the sun will rise over a changed people, the loyal followers. We finally got Jayz two cents :')

[@Sora-qq2bb]

Thank you for talking about software developers, seems people doing CPU reviews rarely think of us :( really nice to get some input

[@captainheat2314]

why dont you just download more cores?

[@Jayztwocents]

+FOXER because randsom ware

[@jazanami2806]

JayzTwoCents 1080 ti giveaway winners? will it be announced in a vid?

[@biolinkstudios]

Well there was that one intel cpu ;)

[@jspinks2388]

oh it's the new office level man, not surpassing or upgrading anything past IVY in all the years mannn what do you do lol.

[@emperorSbraz]

randomware

[@helenHTID]

Still rockin an i5 2500k. lastest gpu being a gtx 1080 and still no issues... yet

[@AtomicAJ74]

If it's still working for you, keep rocking it. My HTPC is still running on a 2120T (35-watt Sandy Bridge i3). I check listings for better CPUs, but never pull the trigger because that 2120T still does everything I ask of it.

[@helenHTID]

Exactly! people think I'm absolutely nuts paring that beast of a card with a 6 year old cpu.. But this this puppy is delivering in all games I've thrown at it so fuck it why should I upgrade everything else? The day it chokes behind the performance I need is the day I say goodbye.. Which aint been yet :)

[@Lesca6]

i5 2500k nuts? I just retired my trusty old Phenom II x4 955be. It still works great but sadly it misses some cpu features for some of the newer games (Dishonored 2 for example). Performance wise, I think I had kept it another year or so. Paired with a gtx980 it was a beast ;)

[@LunchboxDOTinc]

preach! i'm running an old i7 2600 paired to a 1080ti... and only now am i even considering upgrading due to Threadripper being so enticing... but it's still every bit as solid as the day i got it...

[@HeartInLight]

Thanks Jay, i dont listen to many hardware reviewers. But you dont bs people. You real talk with your viewers. Thank you for all your hard work man.

[@JesusChrist-iq2cb]

Coming soon: people who put i9s in their system just so they can say they have the i9

[@dynamicdissonance4016]

Breaking News: people put R7's in their system just so they can say they have a higher core count. (but didnt actually need it) Works in both directions, honestly.

[@ziru2]

r7 1700 is in the $300 market, for who wanna 5 years or more of cpu is not a bad invest.

[@dynamicdissonance4016]

Depends on what you are doing...

[@GiveMeBass93]

Not wasting money preferably.

[@dynamicdissonance4016]

Than you shoudn't buy an I5 or R7 when it comes to gaming - and you shoudn't buy an I7 for your workstation. All that woud be wasting money.

[@asunnysaikia]

Last time I was this early, jay was still digressing.

[@jthompson2214]

Oh man, that pre-roll is probably my favorite that y'all have done yet. You're cool Nic, you're cool.

[@virpz]

For the last 8 years I had owned Intels HEDT platforms. Why? In my view, the Intel quad cores i3/i5 always had a really terrible price/perf ratio. The X58 was just GREAT, the X79 was okay but the X99 was really expensive. Why i feel like that ? I got little performance increase for an obscene amount of money - the performance increase over x79 was little, It was frustrating, not to mention the amount of problems this platform has had suffered with till end 2015. Now, I sold both my X99 combos 4 month's before the Ryzens R7 came out and with the money from the sale of my X99 combos I was able to score two X370 builds for less money. I did that and I am pretty happy with my decision as the X370@1700 makes the 5820K look like a 10 year old CPU, and for most of the time ( software ), the 1700 outperforms the E5-2667 V3 that costed me more than a thousand dollars. Now, is that saying as if Intel is guilty of anything ? Hell no, Intel is a business and will always want to make the most of it - if you happen to have that crazy amount of, defending quad cores, dreaming of quad cores, buying quad cores, then, as a business, that's what you do, you should give them what they want, for the price they are willing to pay and if you just need to stamp a i7 in front of such processor then hell do it. Now, if you ask me that if that is any good market ? Hell no, it sucks and it is sad that now days most of consumers are sooooooooooooo uneducated and biased about tech that they are willing to spend $ 350 on a quad core that: 1- Is better only in a few games. 2- Get's crushed in MT. 3- Need a really good cooling ( $$$$ ) solution. 4- Will be less than good for gaming in a few years. I bet that 70% of these guys don't even know how the Intel "turbo" works. I can't help, I go with company that is providing the best value for my money, that's all that matters for me - AMD definitely deserved my money.

[@Zubberbilly]

virpz Can confirm x58s greatness. Still running my 7(?) year old i7 990x at 4.5ghz almost 24/7 since the day I bought it.

[@ltdeclipse7925]

My biggest problem with this new lineup is there is no more good better best option. Intel seems to be following AMD and Nvidia on you have to hit ever price point in between. This is unfair to the customer because it forces to compromise more on our builds. Have a 6 core only have 28 lanes is a bit ridiculous and forces adopters to buy the more expensive sku. 5930k was the sweet spot for content creators 6 cores and 40 lanes of PCI-e and now they are cutting their skus down to make the top CPU look that much more beefier than the rest of the lineup.

[@seans1102]

You are spot on my friend it's on purpose but hopefully people will spend less and leave a lasting impression. We DONT have to buy. We can make them listen and hit em where it hurts. Supply and demand= Lower demand less stock price.

[@Thunderstyle7]

Then buy Ryzen. The solution is there, what's the problem?

[@senglide1524]

I like how you incorporate the things you usually hide (like the lights, slider) in your background! Just try to get the cables out of sight and it would be perfect

[@27stevepmusic18]

I think AMD is doing some crazy stuff. If the trend continues I will be going AMD.

[@TheMegaBit]

AMD, going with intel would just be anticonsumer, we need more competition in the market and what better way to do that than to support a company which pushes for the good of the consumer, AMD freely share their technology for others to use because they believe that if more people can access the technologies, while intel keeps their technologies hidden away because they want money for the technology they worked for, and although there is nothing wrong with wanting money for the technology you invented, you still should keep the consumer in mind, check out BulletBarry for a more elaborate video, but my point is, supporting AMD will force Intel to compete, and we want better CPUs.

[@WahotsW]

I like how excited you are that you nailed the two cents part. It made me smile!

[@mdh.3421]

I like both Intel and AMD, I go based off performance per $. Right now I would give my third ball (yes for real, polyorchidism look it up) just to see a really good video editing/compiling comparison with the different Ryzen chips vs Intel. Run some premier pro some hitfilm 4 and some handbrake etc. show me how much time I will save with a 8/16 ryzen vs a 6/12 ryzen vs a 7700k and a 7600k. That would make my day!

[@johnvandeven2188]

This is unlikely to work. Game engineers currently write and compile their code that is specific to a processor brand. In this case, Intel. In coming years as AMD overtake or become more equal with Intel in popularity as the cpu of choice by gamers, this will change. I am looking forward to when this happens.

[@robotspartan9100]

I think you're right - the balls in intels court IPC is still an Intel win, so assuming identical clock speeds the Intel chips will likely perform slightly better in single threaded/low thread tasks. But then these chips are all about workstations where single core isn't much of a concern. What matters is potential throughput Someone (like myself) who's machine is a workstation first, gaming rig second, will take the 5% frame loss in games for improved productivity. At that point AMD becomes the logical decision, unless Intel come back from fantasy when it comes to pricing. (assuming AMD max out around £1k for a CPU) Regardless, it's good to see competition again. The CPU market has stagnated in terms of inovation over the last few years, and this will hopefully force it Also, bloody love that new pre-roll. One of the best i've seen thus far

[@BrewintheMost]

Totally agree! Depending on how Intel chooses it's price ranges and how aggressive they want to be could change a lot with where they stand. Now as far as IPC goes, you do get far higher throughput speeds when Ryzen is paired with high-speed RAM as it ramps up with infinity fabric. And they did say that for their new ThreadRipper that they would be expanding even further into high RAM speed. I'm excited to see how much they pull off but, if it doesn't improve much then it wouldn't have been worth it to mention it anyways. Kinda interesting how RAM speeds have nearly been unnoticeable and borderline irrelevant on most recent platforms, maybe we will see a drop in DDR4 price sooner than we thought? Either way, Ryzen at 4000MHz would be something to see! As far as using their new processors for a workstation though, if Intel REALLY doesn't have an equivalent 16-C 32-T processor to match the ThreadRipper than I'm interested to see what price point AMD will go with as this is right where I would be looking to buy. They could go exponentially high (something like Intel's current lineup), but that would almost seem to work against itself. I'd almost expect their price to match or be slightly higher than the lower (and potentially weaker with higher RAM speeds?) 12-C 24-T i9 7920X. Four free physical cores? Hell yeah! I'll take SIX! It seems like for the last decade or so there haven't been many improvements in the CPU market. But that has definitely changed since the beginning of this year! Time to move over GPUs these Threads are about to get Ripped.... (you are welcome)

[@connivingkhajiit]

the amd chips had a much higher overall core count, and since zen actually proved to have a faster IPC with high speed memory I believe IPC for these chips not only doesn't matter but would probably be equal for both

[@robotspartan9100]

Higher RAM does help AMD's infinity fabric, but without knowing the workings of the architecture; I mean, does it make a difference in single thread tasks?

[@BrewintheMost]

@Spartan Well, I don't think that the higher RAM speeds help as much for single threaded applications. However I know that it does help Cinebench scores even if it is smaller changes than multiple Threaded performance boosts. That may be because it boosts the "fabric" that each core uses to talk to one another and doesn't do much else for single cores themselves? Regardless, I would have to agree with you on the single threaded issue. So all in all Ryzen's IPC can be, lets call it, hot-patched for multi threaded use with higher RAM speeds to increase throughput; but it's throughput isn't as easily fixed per core. Edit: Should be something like a 9-10% boost for single threads (at 3466 CL14. It was the highest I could get on my current setup) and 12-15% for multi threaded use. But that is only using Cinebench as well, so there may be some heavy variation between different "real life" scenarios.

[@connivingkhajiit]

Gomenasai-Kōhai its because the infinity fabric slowed down the single threaded tasks but ram speed determine the fabrics speed

[@VGRProductions1337]

I noticed you talked a little about how for live streaming you can allocate certain cores and threads towards gaming and the others for you broadcasting software, I think this topic would make for a good discussion in a future video for those trying to step up the live streaming rigs. I know I'd love to dig more into this topic and learn as much as possible about its potential pro's and cons in performance gain or loss.

[@AftermathXJ220]

I would go AMD because of the price difference. The performance & reliability difference is not worth the Intel tax.

[@AftermathXJ220]

Every new platform has somewhat unreliable performance, didn't you watch the video?

[@AftermathXJ220]

Until the programs & operating system are optimized for it

[@TheGroovinGamer]

Isn't Ryzen's Threadripper going to be on a Land Grid Array socket?

[@bspinnfade]

You were paying attention to the FM2 and AM3 socket prior to Ryzen right? FM2 was for the APUs and the FX series chips for the AM3 socket. Thankfully AM4 solves that now....I love AMD don't get me wrong but those 2 socket difference screwed them over and hurt them from any type of upgrade paths or later adoption.

[@McScrubington]

i noticed i was smiling like an idiot during the whole NickTwoCents intro xD

[@GizmoDuck]

Love the look of the new studio, liking the new vibe, feels like more than just a refresh. Keep up the great work, and congratulations on all your success. It's well earned.

[@chasevandestouwe9131]

Dude you're crazy Threadripper is a sweet name imo

[@demigod79]

Nah, it sucks. Now if they had called it Threadkiller!... :p j/k

[@thatoneguy2274]

Daniel Choi nah fam. call it xeonkiller and make it xeon perf on half the price. Kappa

[@anassrhammar9126]

Daniel Choi ThreadLova69

[@flemish4]

They're ripping you a new thread

[@perrrry]

Agree with you Chase. Like the naming of the whole new line-up from AMD.

[@MrTheBESTintime]

Intel is like a confused little boy who was always popular in school and someone else came in and became more popular

[@808PhoneReview]

I appreciate that you broke down the use cases for these CPUs. Good examples! Great video with lots of information.

[@SoundFX09]

Unfortunately Jay, I didn't take your Advice and Bought an R7 1700, B350 Motherboard, and 16GB of DDR in late April/Early May. However, Time will tell if my purchase was worth it or not, since I do agree with most of these things you said. Regardless, I don't know when we'll see games take advantage of 6 or even 8+ Cores at this point, so It's best to wait and see how Games and Other Programs will innovate over the next couple of years.

[@chestermc9954]

Games are already utilizing more than 2 or 4 cores.BF1,Rise of The Tomb Raider,DOOM etc.The time of multi-threaded games is here with Vulkan and DX12.

[@bevanjonsson2284]

Originally I was looking at the Ryzen 1700X but now I'm more interested in the 1955X. Not only for the extra cores but also being able to use quad channel RAM.

[@Shadow0fd3ath24]

Bevan Jonsson unless you're running 4+ graphics cards and or a huge server you'd never see a difference in the $1000+ 1998x and the $480 1800x

[@bevanjonsson2284]

How do you know they'll cost that much?

[@connivingkhajiit]

Bevan Jonsson because it has 16 cores

[@bevanjonsson2284]

Michael beseler Then its good thats not the one I mentioned in my post. 1955X is 10 cores and 20 threads. lrn2read

[@Captiiva]

It is certainly going to be more expensive then the 1800x, I would imagine no cheaper then 600$, but I would guess more.

[@joedarkwolf]

I'm running a 4790k, and the only reason I've begun shopping around is because of a motherboard short. I have to say, I'm really tempted to hop on the AMD bandwagon, if only because I want to support AMD's efforts in gaining market share so we can see some actual competition. I've loved every intel chip I've owned (Core2Quad 6600 -> i7 920 -> 4790k) but some real competition between these two companies and getting intel to play ball with cost might be worth jumping on an untested platform. Thanks for the info Jay, gained yourself a sub and a like.

[@vijyesh1972]

You should say 'that's my two cents more often'.

[@kgtc]

Believe it or not, AMD with only 10% of the research funding of Intel could make comparable CPUs. And having the top consumer CPU from $1723 to $1999 despite Ryzen is atrocious. Time to buy Ryzen because no one should support less performance per dollar.

[@isthisnametaken978]

KGT UserCast Ryzen is atrocious? How is that so?

[@aaqibsyed9725]

Is this name taken? He means Intel is atrocious. Read the whole sentence.

[@isthisnametaken978]

Oh I see now. He meant the price of Intel is atrocious. Thanks.

[@kgtc]

Is this name taken? Prepare to see the 4C 8T i7 7740X +X299 battling the price of the Ryzen 7 1800X + X370. X299 is going to be expensive. But if someone were to go for X299 and not OC, even an overpriced 1800X (relative to 1700) would be a better deal. Also, when threadripper gets released, hear "but 7740X has 10% more IPC" when TR has 16C 32T.

[@robertp457]

This is the entire sentence. "And having the top consumer CPU from $1723 to $1999 despite Ryzen is atrocious." You tell me how that's clear. What does "top consumer CPU" even mean? $1700 is not a mainstream product. How much is a threadripper 1950X?

[@issaciams]

You were very pleasant in this video Jay. Your studio looks phenomenal as well. I'm extremely excited for x399 threadripper and vega. 😎

[@janitor8884]

I'm more interested in the ''should you buy a gpu right now'' video. Was saving up for vega but don't want to wait another month, so should I just say fuck it and get a 1080 Ti or wait for vega?

[@johnny2698]

TheHeadJanitor personally I would get vega... but if you don't have a gpu and want one really bad.... still get vega.

[@johnny2698]

TheHeadJanitor 1080ti is also pretty good, so ya it's a bit of a hard choice

[@tranquanghuy3756]

AMD gpu's age longer than nvidia. so I'll get Vega IMO

[@CodeByJustin]

The Rice Man amd's age much better and I am saying that while using an nvidia gpu. Waiting for vega eclipse or vega nova. Vega nova is $600 for 1080ti performance so I will most likely get that

[@JeremyHansenblue2kid3]

get the 1080ti bro its more than enough power now and you wont need to upgrade for at least 2 more generations. I have a 1070 and max everything out just fine super sampling most games and I plan to upgrade with the money I would have spent on the next xbox or playstation thats how I buy GPUS.

[@TheBlaarg171]

Best. Ad spot. Ever.

[@vanguardas9927]

Jay and Kyle are really creative with their Ads. I hope Linus learns a thing or two.

[@lorenzosorice]

Digging the new studio. Always love hearing your opinions. Thanks Jay.

[@Nomad_Wanderer]

I think Intel should name its Cpu " The Moneyripper" :D

[@unfa00]

I wish there were motherboards with two AM4 sockets...

[@AtomicAJ74]

Fuck yeah!

[@TorbjrnViemNess]

What about server motherboards? :)

[@buenaventuralosgrandes9266]

too fucking expensive

[@TheCountess666]

that is basically what you get with threadripper. except in 1 socket.

[@johnvandeven2188]

Why not use Threadripper. How about using a low end dual socket Epyc then.

[@aegames591]

instant like in the moment i watch the ad! this and the one from Christmas are my favourites!

[@GiuseppeGaetanoSabatelli]

I think this is a good time for IBM to get back into the processor game.

[@fatalexception1269]

yeah my 8086 is struggling a bit nowadays.

[@Carrosive]

They still are making processors, only stupendous beasts that companies are willing to throw $1000's at

[@ReadTheCommentFirst]

The masses won't really be affected by all of these high-end processors unless they are aggressively priced enough to affect the CPUs beneath them, I doubt it though with such high thread counts. I'm more interested in the budget end tbh. I feel like the best course of action for AMD is to release a quad core ryzen cpu to compete with the pentium G4560 near the $80 price range. Just imagine what would happen. Something that performs like a broadwell i5 would be available for less than 80 bucks... Theoretically, if AMD attacks the low end like this, every pentium and i3 would be rendered useless and every i5 would be rendered overpriced as fuck despite the higher ipc. Ryzen already did this in a sense but the single threaded performance is still lacking a bit but at $80, who the hell would care? As for intel's response to this theoretical situation, personally, I'm hoping for a true quad core Coffee Lake Pentium. Budget gamers gonna have a good time in 2018 if my predictions are right.

[@BrewintheMost]

Well we've already seen AMD's price points for the R7 start to blend Intel's current HEDT platform into the mainstream set. This put the ball into Intel's court to either respond by applying an even bigger gap (can you imagine?) between the two platforms - or to help fuse the two together. I'd bet that's why then (FINALLY) named their high-end chips the i9. Without the rename, you wouldn't have a clue what the difference was between the 4-C 8-T Kaby Lake and this new 4-C 8-t Kaby Lake. In fact the difference is mostly what the motherboard compatibilities will be. More PCI-E slots maybe? That used to be a major difference back when quad-SLI was a thing... But now we will just have to see what tricks Intel has for their new X299 boards, cause I doubt Octane is going to be big enough (anyone with differing views should share something on that as I am curious to know how others feel). If there isn't anything jaw-dropping then I'll take my 5% IPC drop and my Vega Nova and be on my way. Anyways, what I was originally going at was that these new chips might actually have an impact on the lower line processors because of their positioning. Maybe not the Celeron/Pentium range but over a couple years that might change. It's an interesting time in the market for sure!

[@gjdud12]

Thanks. I really needed confirmation on more threads having advantages on streaming & gaming at the same time.

[@du6ee]

Look.. I love my 4790k, but if i were in the market for a high core count chip.. C YA INTEL!

[@ElonMusk-Krypto]

4790K ARMY !!!

[@somestranger8598]

Du6e rocking the 4790k also got mine up to 4.6ghz

[@iaial0]

DanielLovesBmw Here I am. Such a beast

[@coachaub377]

I have a 4790k and a Ryzen R7-1800X. I hardly notice any difference gaming (GPU limited with RX480 basically) but if I stream and game, the Ryzen keeps everything smooth. I actually love both systems and my 4790k can overclock (w/AIO and lots of air @4.9 stable) to challenge the 7700k's.

[@ElonMusk-Krypto]

good systems ? because a 1800x or 4790K are bad right ? Maybe he just waits for next year for a good graphics card, or for vega would make more sense to me.Instead of throwing it into a 1080ti which will be obsolete in maybe 2-3 month. for myself i have a Sapphire R9 290x Vapor-X Tri-X OC 4GB card and i will wait for 2018 because 1080ti is too "slow" for me atleast. And i heard Nvidia will bring up GDDR6 as next, so im really excited about that :-D

[@savantskie]

I'm more tempted by AMD. I've always been an AMD guy, and as long as their prices stay fair? I'll stay.

[@Hardcaslte]

Dude your studio is pretty boss. If I was single I'd consider living there it looks so relaxing

[@justin.s9783]

i have been an intel guy sense my 1st build but if the new "i5 " isn't the same or better than the ryzen 5 1600 in price / performance I'll be switching to amd for the 1st time

[@lzgkorninthecup8108]

i bought the r5 1600 right after launch and overclocked it to r5 1600x specs and it handels everything without even going near 50% total load (i only use it for gaming) I paired it with a be quiet pure rock and it stays under 60 °C while gaming and 70°C while benching it with syntetic 100% load

[@techtipsuk]

All sounds cool but the software needs to catch up and actually make use of these cores.

[@doublevendetta]

Richard Dale like he said in the video, this much performance is not mainstream, and its equivalent throughout time will never BE for the mainstream.

[@stephenallen4635]

Richard Dale this cpu isnt gaming focused. its only games that are behind on cpu useage and the people buying these wont care about game results

[@Eight8411]

I'm wanting to stream and record at the same time, so hoping these wont leave too big of a dent in the pocket. I've tried with my 10 year old i7 and it shat itself so Looks like I'm back to team red.

[@woahslowdown]

+Eight8411 i7 hasn't been around ten years

[@robme7891]

Ben, right. my q6600 is 10 years old and its 2 generations back from the first i7

[@LeeJeannotte]

Jay, You are my Favorite Reviewer Period!!! at the risk of sounding like a JayzTwoCents fanboy(well I am) I have been following you for years now and have a serious trust built up in the way you review products, and your humor gets me. Guys, keep up the great work and stay true to yourselves! Lee J.

[@balthromaw6305]

I rather have AMD Mainly because Intel is over priced, but also their integrated graphics is downright craptastic.. AMD's embedded APU's makes Intel's equivalent get a call from the 90's wanting their tech back

[@credocooperative]

Intel Core i9? a new series? wow, this means this will reduce the price of the other ones meaning i can finally afford a Celeron! Heil i9!!!!111!!1!

[@rattlehead999]

+Ben Dover Don't be silly, they will just cost a lot :D

[@rattlehead999]

Expect that 12 core to cost 2000$....

[@jfoldger1184]

such exciting news..... i been saving for a pentium since 1998

[@lupinedreamexpress]

Linus said it first. Technically a forum user with a good rep did...

[@MsHUGSaLOT]

naw.. I9's will be base price of $700 on up. i7's will still be the same.

[@tobytoxd]

Love your 2 cents! Brilliant quality and studio setup! And i always have a good laugh about your commercials :D Thanks

[@MichaelSodapop]

I would buy a 1500X over any of the upcoming CPUs & that's exactly what I did buy :P. My only gripe isn't really with AMD but MSI for their horrible BIOS still. Supposidly fixes coming soon though so fingers crossed for 4.0GHz on Core & 3200MHz on RAM.

[@stephenmcallister2169]

i'm going AMD next system. sick of intel and nvidia. i have 4690k and gtx 970. time to go all in one. #AMD

[@keyboarding5593]

Why are you sick of them?

[@ParrishStrongman]

Keyboarding well they've both done some shady stuff recently, especially Intel with the buildup of Ryzen. Asking reviewers to tell them what they've put before they post it and stuff like that. Nvidia has always been a little dodgy however

[@CyberMasterGames]

Stephen McAllister Smart man, all my stuff is AMD, last time I had Intel and Nvidia, it couldnt handle the stuff I needed. as soon as I got AMD the performance jumped by 80%. Even an AMD APU beats a 2 and maybe a 4GB Nvidia GPU. AMD is my choice for gaming and video. And just internet stuffs

[@ImWillsZX]

Can i buy your shit. i game on a dell inspiron 1100 or some shit. pentium dual core integrated graphics ftw

[@timmytalks3344]

amd apu vs 750 ti 2gb?

[@hotroof]

Hey Jay. The studio looks very nice. Great job. I think you should end every video with the tag line "And that's my two cents!" But you have to do it like a cheesy news anchorman. :) Thanks for all the great content, brother. 1 Million well earned subs. Keep kickin' ass and takin' names!

[@PinkasBrown44]

Always wait when in doubt... I for one am curious about how the 2018 ¨mainstream¨ i7 (8700K) will perform after the entire 2017 ¨i9¨release hype is over If you got a gtx 1080 (non ti) and a i7 6950X, smile ! You´re on Candid Camera...

[@numetalinkin]

if I had the money there is no way I buy an Intel. They have great products, but I hate their way to make things. Overpriced CPU's, not allowing you to overclock unless you pay a premium and the hole “don't overclock the k processors" bullshit.

[@Richdawg808]

studio looks clean and tight. love it! And loving my ryzen 1700! Have a great day!

[@marcuscoster6529]

At least AMD attempts cool naming schemes, can't say the same for Intel.

[@AMDGuy88]

Marcus Coster Thats what i love about them there not afraid of doing something new. AMD are the true innovators. Unlike intel with there ferrytale lakes

[@dynamicdissonance4016]

Exactly my point, thats why I think that name is bs. But maybe they just want 12 year old's to find the name cool and spread the word for them. Wich seems to work in your case.

[@sbeezynukka]

threadripper all day, intel needs to be brought back down to earth

[@raptorbass4054]

sbeezynukka , Intel have fallen , AMD has Ryzen

[@richardcheese8095]

Raptor Bass please no more

[@xTurtleOW]

Yeah great idea give amd monopoly, and amd will do same shit that intel does.

[@David_Quinn1995]

sbeezynukka I will wait to see what intel does dont just go one way because you think its better, wait for intel and AMD to fight the prices to performance

[@isakh8565]

+TheTurtleOffDoom They're a long way away from that though, with a miniscule marketshare compared to Intel. It would be great if AMD were on top for a couple of years and actually started to make some money, that way maybe the two companies could have 50/50 marketshare, which would be great for consumers and progress.

[@Jaymal10]

Ad was great! - AMD 16 core, I do music, fast and efficient cores/threads are vital for dealing with VST’s like reverbs, overall latency and such.

[@KineticPebble]

so that's why fractal Josh came to you're studio.

[@RadOne83]

"your studio" not "you're studio" #grammarNazi

[@KineticPebble]

autocorrect messed it. didn't see it, don't care now.

[@CodeMerk]

RadOne83 lol "you are studio." 😂

[@skrillzplayz9092]

People talking Abut getting 60FPS+ on AAA Titles I'm here sitting with "1" FPS ON ARK! FML..

[@codingcuber]

Skrillz Playz just turn the resolution down and settings on low if it's that bad. ark isn't as demanding as it used to be. and check your render distance

[@_Daio_]

you must be playing on a toaster then.

[@danielfilgo640]

stfu i have lower than 5 fps on tf2 lowest graphics, 10 fps on minecraft low graphics, for over 2 years and i have more than 1000 hrs for both in total

[@ghoulbuster1]

Are you playing with a pentium II?

[@justRICHTOFEN]

I get anywhere from 60-90 fps on ark with everything maxed. (View distance on high not epic though)

[@mattwilds06]

That ad for the cooler was epic... I shook my head the entire time.. and loved it

[@aaronrizlugtu8212]

i chose AMD. i just bought my 1800x and will support AMD all the way! I want always the best price per performance items. #betterRED

[@F2FTech]

Aaron Riz Lugtu Then why didn't you buy the 1700?

[@najirulislam3444]

KEK

[@F2FTech]

Anti-Gravity Gaming overclocking is hardly different. 100 maybe 200mhz? No real difference. I could see maybe for IMC benefits, but it's hardly worth the cost increase. So the 1700x is cheaper than the 1700 at micro center? You're lucky to live by one. Most are not.

[@richardbottom9843]

fuck overclocking

[@Nukawa]

Richard Bottom why are you even here if you dont overclock kappa

[@AndreWSSx6]

Intel not recomend overclock I9.

[@adamtobak9697]

X is only there to make it sound cooler ;)

[@outdoorsredfly5143]

Thumbs up for your great allround thinking around these new components, keep going!

[@edchel1187]

Who won the GTX 1080ti? You will make a video about this?

[@Accuaro]

ikr

[@Chaserbl]

It's rigged duh like every other giveaway

[@shasterdhari]

Why would they start the numbering for i9 from the 7000 Kaby Lake series? Why not just start from 1000 for something?

[@MrRightt]

because its their 7th gen cpus, there is a an i3 7th gen, i5 7th gen, i7 7th gen, and now i9 7th gen, why start from 1000? the new i9 was apart of the 7th gen cpus

[@robertlouden3934]

I'm in a new i5-6600k build with a light overclock. Gaming performance is rock solid but when I do photography work from my full frame 36MP camera it absolutely crawls. There is no question that my next build will be Ryzen based. The sleeper is the AMD partnership with Bethesda - I know they are going to be driving much more multi-threaded games code and the results will shock the industry. I'm in for either Ryzen 2 late next year or Threadripper sooner.

[@RepsUp100]

X399 >>> X299