AMD X870 Flagship Roundup, Zen 5 Motherboards Are Here!

[@lattyware]

The USB speed testing segment was great, really useful to see, and a great way of presenting it.

[@brandonmoore7797]

I definitely agree. Much clearer than a chart, and really highlights what a crapshoot it is on some of these boards. Better hope you don't accidentally plug your mouse into a 1000MB slot and your backup drive in a 41MB slot when reaching blindly around the back of your PC! ASUS are the standout here by labeling the speeds on the ports: 10G on the 10 Gigabit ports (~1 Gigabyte), and 40G on the 40 Gigabit (~4 Gigabyte) ports. Could be a little clearer, but that's already much clearer to the end user than SS, Lighting, Ultra, 3.2, etc as not everyone has the standards or the companies marketing jargon memorized.

[@JeepAndThings]

Agreed! Not everyone can see the back of their PC easily!

[@BenState]

Needed model labels on the slides though

[@brzroman]

would be nice to add mb models to the rear i/o pics in that section. ty for the content

[@brandonmoore7797]

@@BenState Fair point. A great start, though!

[@evila9076]

300$ entry level boards here we come

[@RN1441]

I would love to buy a board with competent VRM design, zero RGB, no wifi, and no weird plastic or metal flare pieces that aren't directly useful for heat dissipation. Heck, I'd even be happy with 2x DIMM slots as a cost cut since I haven't used more than two DIMMS outside of a threadripper system since before 2006. Sadly, no one seems to want to sell boards that meet this description.

[@vuri3798]

@@RN1441 Didn't Asrock try that ?

[@evila9076]

@@RN1441 sad part is that none of the things mentioned are the reason the board have gotten this expensive. It's mostly just price gouging

[@justin6581]

⁠​⁠@@RN1441x870 pro rs is the closest thing, but it’s $200

[@Protector1rk]

Use a B650 Aorus Elite about a year and don't mention why bought more expensive board. It have all i need and more.

[@WhoAreYouQuestionmark]

a BIG thank you for testing ECC RAM compatibility

[@xellr]

what is that for?

[@playlist5455]

​@xellr Heres a few reasons : More known stability when working with large amounts of data, keeping bit-rot under control, alerts when memory goes bad.

[@Caebel]

@@xellr ECC stands for Error correction code, and basically it improves system stability. RAM isn't perfect, and sometimes what should be a 0 is a 1. This often doesn't crash your system, but it can still cause weird stuff to happen. ECC will correct that, and ensures the right stuff is in RAM. If you've ever had a system that just seemed generally unstable but it was never just one thing, there's a decent chance the problem is actually your RAM, and ECC memory prevents that kind of thing. It's worse for raw speed, so if your system is 100% for gaming you might want to trade a little stability for a little performance, but for people whose systems are used for productivity, it could be really useful. Imagine you've started a video encode that's going to take 8 hours, then it crashes at hour 7 because of RAM. You' might have preferred to pay a little more for your RAM, rather than have to spend another 8 hours trying the encode again.

[@JBrinx18]

These MB are really not that exciting, but I still like watching your content

[@Hardwareunboxed]

Thank you :)

[@Dr.WhetFarts]

GPU quick release feature is gold.

[@S.Brito.Leo_]

​@Dr.WhetFarts I mean it's very neat, but I don't really see one using it often (unless you do benchmarks/reviews for a living)

[@JahonCross]

Same it's fun!

[@PhotoJohn80]

I agree. They increased the price substantially and add very minor features. I just got an asrock x670e for 379 and the new one is 450. Only real difference for me would be the 5gbe over 2.5gbe. But if I upgrade my Ethernet I’d just get a 10gbe adapter instead

[@Neofaucheur]

Kind of expected the ROG mb to have a Q-cumber feature by the end.

[@Karibanu]

Support-Q ...

[@hiriotapa1983]

I expected a Q-007 feature... disappointed.

[@mil260zs]

not gonna lie, motherboard testing is the most interesting to me, and you provide a lot of info, thank you for that

[@chuuni6924]

Honestly curious why. For me, motherboards have always been the least interesting, they're just an interconnect. If anything, I'd prefer them with as few features as possible and just more PCIe ports to plug actual features into.

[@kubenoz]

Adding the ECC support tests makes these videos so goated

[@RaytheonTechnologies_Official]

Steve's standing, clearly not a good product

[@adamtajhassam9188]

or just a minor upgrade .

[@AKK5I]

Hey Raytheon can I get a quote for a single unit of AGM-65 Maverick missile delivered to central Melbourne and fitted to a 2018 Toyota Hilux? Cheers

[@Peter.H.A.Petersen]

Power Consumption & Audio is important to me, so I can't thank you enough for including these! 🥰 Though I do miss some Idle Power Consumption numbers ...

[@WayStedYou]

$1299 AUD for the hero is absurd

[@Protector1rk]

X670E Crosshair Gene better in all front and cost two less.

[@emanggitulah4319]

Yeah

[@blackstar-genX]

I probably won't need to upgrade until zen 6 or 7 soo I'll just enjoy the vids

[@rustler08]

An entire video saying "just find a good deal on an X670"

[@ExySmexy]

Man I cant gaslight myself enough anymore with these mediocre AMD products to get unnecessary upgrades.

[@MikeB1972]

I keep finding myself getting to this same conclusion... With the games I'm playing right now my current system is fine... I wanted to get an X3D upgrade for a couple games but the increased RAM capacity (16GB-64GB) seems to have solved my stuttering issues, so far. I'll upgrade when I NEED to at this point, not because consumerism strikes again lol

[@dwarfcow]

​@@MikeB1972 😅 I feel this, I ran out of things to upgrade, I'm trying to convince myself I should get the 9950x3d to replace the 7950x3d but... My monitor is bottlenecking at this point and I have absolutely no problems.

[@MikeB1972]

@@dwarfcow like I could get more out of my 6900XT with a CPU better than a 9700KF but like... I'm good rn lol My 144hz 1440p monitor is also gonna be a limiting factor. OLED looks great but the price doesn't... It is getting better, especially 1440p OLED high refresh.

[@dwarfcow]

@@MikeB1972 yeah, I got sucked into the ultra wide rabbit hole, and when you sprinkle qd-oled spoiling, I can't get more than 175hz on the only qd-oled UW offerings, I want a 3840x1600 offering but they don't care about the 15 people in that market, apparently - so, the 4090 isn't even breaking sweat capping out the monitor, it could redline with a potato for a cpu.

[@random-zr5km]

Great video! MB reviews are some of my most fav videos on this channel. Audio testing is a great addition, keep it pls. Also glad to see RAM speeds going up but I'm wondering if the new MB or new CPU enables 8000+ MHz

[@1Grainer1]

according to Leo from kitguru, zen 5 does, you can do it on ages 1.2.0.2 with 670 and 870 boards, but not with zen 4

[@sgredsch]

steve please have a critical look into x870. because those boards also come with mandatory usb4, and at least gigabyte is wiring up that usb4 with 4 cpu lanes, so that means you lose one nvme slot compared to b650 for a couple of usb slots. x870, at least gigabyte, ONLY supports TWO nvme drives without sharing lanes somewhere, one via cpu and one via chipset. the gigabyte boards have more m2 slots, but these are wired to share lanes with the primary gpu slot or the chipset m2 is shared into x2 / x2, which requires phsyical x2 drives according to the manual. dont let people fall into the trap of buying x870 thinking its generally better than b650. it isnt when you rather have one more m2 drive instead of usb ports.

[@pestluder]

That unfortunately is already an issue with at least the Proart X670E.

[@Daclaem]

the prices are kind of outrageous.Thanks for the effort.

[@ivanbrasla]

VRM overheating stopped being an issue for a couple of years now, yet brands continue to pointlessly beef them up. At the same time, Pcie 5.0 SSDs can't sustain continuous operation due to high temperatures. I've yet to see someone providing an in board solution to this problem. Do manufacturers really require reviewers to hold their hand on every needed change?

[@kettusnuhveli]

No Q-Nutcracker? Smh ASUS... 🤨

[@Splatooooon]

Q-Comment

[@Raivo_K]

Q-Reply

[@isuguy82]

Ian Fleming’s Estate is going to sue.

[@justin6581]

@@Raivo_K Q-Reply 2

[@kaithong8482]

*looks at comments during the HUB intro* *Comments saying steve is standing* *Steve is indeed standing* Not again

[@Kifey8183]

I really liked the USB speed breakdown. Don't see that ever.

[@daethar]

Thank You for testing ECC capability! It's so hard to get that kind of info outside of enthusiast forums.

[@xellr]

what is that?

[@haukionkannel]

I have old 570… that has 10gb lan port. What new 870Es has 10gb lan port? Should be standard in middle range motherboards now 10+ years later….

[@Dr.WhetFarts]

99% don't need more than 1GB, thats why. 10GB ethernet is way more expensive than 2.5-5 GB and 10GB cables are stiff as hell and expensive too anyway. Its pointless to waste money on 10GB for most manufacturers.

[@haukionkannel]

@@Dr.WhetFarts Yeah… but some of us does need those. Really handy with external SSD based nas equipments etc. But yeah, not everyone needs those, but i would expect that some highend ones at least have those, and because highend did have 10gb in 570 series… one would expect that middle range boards should have those in these days…

[@BenState]

@@Dr.WhetFarts Cat 6 cables are no more stiff than 5e.

[@BenState]

@@haukionkannel thats why you have pcie slots

[@sky173]

Prices for Mobos are getting insane and to top it off, it's hard to find a quality board with digital audio out without paying for other crap I don't need.

[@rustler08]

Yeah, you'll never find that from a reputable brand.

[@tek_lynx4225]

don't forget digital optical in. There aren't even many options for that without paying an arm and a leg for. The best cheapest solution is still to get a Sound Blaster Z, which ironically the middle model of its family and is still being made and one of the few internal soundcards you can find with both optical in and out that has current drivers for 10\11.

[@Hugh_I]

honest if you're the person that cares for good quality audio, the best solution is to buy a good PCIe sound card and carry it over on any Mobo upgrade. That way you can go with any budget board that provides the minimum you need and save a lot of money on expensive mobo with a lot of additional "features" you don't need. You only pay for the card once.

[@ramonzaions7522]

I want a 9800X3D AMD !

[@teekanne15]

*you want what you expect a 9800X3D to be like.

[@GewelReal]

Just get 7800X3D

[@Shoeboxcat7]

​@@teekanne15This sums up most unmanifested desires.

[@ramonzaions7522]

@@teekanne15 lllllooooollll YES!

[@ramonzaions7522]

@@teekanne15 But 99% will be the fastest Gaming CPU!

[@Hirnlego999]

USB 4 external SSD devices might become interesting The prices are too steep though, I'll check in on black friday

[@seylaw]

For not exciting products, the expected pricing is silly on consumer level hardware. As Steve showed, you don't even get working ECC support on all of these.

[@emp1985]

MSI needs to ditch their overly loud, ugly, in-your-face Dragon logo from their motherboards. It's just too much IMO. X870E... just as meh as the whole 9000 series. Not surprised. Thanks for the video!

[@FlyTimeRC]

I love the dragon logo. Goes with my theme pretty well actually.

[@Kapono5150]

The X670E Hero also has already had USB4 for 2 years

[@Neonmirrorblack]

And more than likely, the AsRock board will once again be the best for the high end and mid-tier (Taichi lite) when considering price to performance. Edit: What? There's only a $50 difference between the Normal and Lite versions? I'll definitely be getting the normal version then just for the backplate and the easy-release for the GPU. The way the Lite is without it would make it a nightmare to release the GPU where the retention clip is sandwiched on ALL sides.

[@arthur_pd]

yep, top quality with lower prices vs other brands, also highly popular in asian counties, i used asrock brand for 5-6 years, i just preordered the Asrock x870e nova wifi, will arrive in about a week time at my place

[@sirius4k]

"Flagship" motherboards, none have a 10Gb NIC, what a joke.

[@alextsibicov1163]

Time for X670e Pro Art then)

[@sirius4k]

@@alextsibicov1163 Fuck ASUS. X670E has 10Gb NICs, but only the MSI's X870E Godlike will have one (according to PCPartPicker), that doesn't make any sense. And that board is probably going to cost over 2k.

[@Nalianna]

i'm waiting for the X970E, with a BNC 10BASE2 network connector on the back. It'll be a pain getting terminators for it though :)

[@emanggitulah4319]

​@@alextsibicov1163I heard it had some disconnecting issues, but they might fixed that

[@CaptainShiny5000]

I'm kinda having a Deja-Q right now.

[@GewelReal]

B650 are still too expensive meanwhile AMD already releasing a new chipset already

[@sirmonkey1985]

welcome to the world of inflation. just going to have to deal with it because the prices aren't going to come down.

[@kiljaedyn]

@@sirmonkey1985 thanks Kamala/Biden...

[@bobbymoss6160]

@@kiljaedyn It's a "free" market, the government doesn't control the price.

[@rhyho]

@@kiljaedyn its a global issue, nothing to do with US government

[@fIeshwater]

​@@rhyho you expect a republican to know there are countries other than the us? lol

[@ksenchy]

I'm kind of disappointed over no CAMM2 support

[@avishekmitra3698]

As a normie gamer whos rocking a 7600 for the time being, I plan to stick with my $100 Asrock A620M Pro RS Wifi with 3 m.2 ssd slots for the entirety of AM5 era. Sure, it has no pcie gen5, but considering pcie gen 3 boards are still viable, I'm quite okay with Gen4. Currently rocking a 6800CL34 RAM kit which I picked up for $85, tuned to 6000CL30. Will upgrade to the latest x800x3d chip down the line.

[@AG-jj3lx]

This is what building a kit should be all about. Best bang for buck performance. There are a lot of great Mobo options available on Ali as well for Colorful CVN AM5 boards with good VRM and cooling setups. The over emphasis on aesthetics leads to some of the absurd priced today. Back 2 basics :)

[@hectorj.romanp.]

I don't care about PCIe Gen5 or overclocking. That MB would have been perfect for me but I need at least two PCIe ports and it has only one.☹

[@mcflu]

Does ryzen 9000 benefit for rams speeds above 6000 though?

[@chillnspace777]

This is the real question

[@PCZONE1]

This is all I wanna know if x870e over clocks higher..

[@dotms5195]

It doesn't really, especially not for gaming. Steve addresses this in the video. Reason probably is that games favor lower latency over raw bandwidth.

[@brownlab8898]

Nice more $500 post code displays

[@akejron1]

Nice into to x870 guys! Asus one looks pretty sweet with that ECC support - any chance you can test if you can run ECC@6000 with 192-256 GB capacity with decent timings? Btw. MSI response to ECC is just ridiculous, not everyone will fork for a Threadripper. I am eyeing the possibility to run 5 SSDs (am guessing 3 PCIe5 + 2x Samsung 990 pro 4TB) with 2x 5090 and 9950x3d - will I have enough lanes? Yes it is confusing, agreed!

[@campas7182]

ASUS booted with the ECC RAM but has ECC disabled. Only the Gigabyte and ASRock boards have ECC working.

[@akejron1]

Oh, didn't get that, so essentially it doesn't work (yet, potentially). Shame. Not that I like ASUS anyways.

[@Hasbert1988]

Most of the new boards have one big problem: lanesharing. The ASRock Taichi is the only board without any sharing for the M.2 slots. Some examples: Carbon Wifi: GPU runs at x8 when the secondary M.2 slot is occupied. Hero: GPU runs at x8 when the second or/and the third M.2 slot is used. Aorus Master: GPu runs at x8 when the third and/or fourth M.2 slot is used. Tanks to AMD... guaranteed USB4 instead of a second M.2 slot on the CPU.

[@Hugh_I]

Well the good news is X670/B650 boards still exist and will be better value options anyways. Most of them do have the extra 4 lanes from the CPU on a 2nd M.2 slot. Honestly I would prefer having more different kinds of PCIe configurations to chose from, and if that comes with different gens, fine, there is no real downside in going last gen on the same platform with AMD unless you need one of the new features. And USB4 support isn't even new, so 🤷

[@DzonisFest]

Don't see it as much of a problem since x8 on PCIe 5 should still be more than enough for any desktop gpu, unless the new gpus that are coming out soon are something wacky and you're working with dataset workloads

[@thenextlevel123]

Not even gonna bother updating from my x670e aorus master, no point if itll work on everything anyway

[@Dr.WhetFarts]

Can't wait for 9800X3D vs 285K and 265K benchmarks.

[@ytctuser]

I hope they will also test 285K vs HT OFF 14900K.

[@Protector1rk]

Spoiler: 7800X3D win price to perfomance them all.

[@De2t3ny]

why? you already know the answer lol

[@ajslim79]

That onboard HDMI Port on the Gigabyte Board near the ATX-24pin would be for internal Displays?

[@oliveprocessor3068]

These price points are simply ridiculous. I'd love to upgrade from my 5950x here in the next two years, but I have no interest in spending cpu prices on a motherboard

[@NameUserOf]

Just buy a B650, Asrock PG Lightning or something else for similar price except for Asus and Gigabyte, they cheapen out on this level of priced boards too much.

[@MrAnimescrazy]

Then don't. It is that simple get a b650 or a b650e motherboard.

[@r3drumg33k3]

I think that the price of these x870 boards pretty much makes them all but DOA for the average person vs x670

[@RobloxianX]

For anybody wondering, the AsRock X870 PRO RS at $190.

[@kiljaedyn]

Taichi or bust

[@justin6581]

Only $190? That’s amazing value.

[@RobloxianX]

@@justin6581 looking at the specs it really looks like it could fit even a 9950x3d, a 5090, and a 1000w psu just fine, include a 4TB PCIe 5.0 and 2 8TB PCIe 4.0 SSDs in there too with 96GB of some DDR5-6400 CL30 or 6000 CL28, this will be a great futureproofing mobo

[@nehpets1876]

I've just pre ordered it in Uk here £190... hope its ok?

[@RobloxianX]

@@nehpets1876 ASRock makes really good budget motherboards, it'll go great with a 9600X and eventually an RX 8600 when RDNA 4 launches

[@snizer11]

Holy smokes. 800$ for motherboard alone is insane.

[@paleion0]

At least ASRock's prices are reasonable for X870E. $449 and $389 for X870E Taichi and Taichi Lite.

[@Dr.WhetFarts]

Taichi has active fan on VRM which sucks. Also E-ATX.

[@sirmonkey1985]

@@Dr.WhetFarts turn it off or unplug it. it's not like the vrm's need active cooling anyways for the average user.

[@thetechrealist]

Duck! That’s reasonable!? 😅

[@EmanuelHoogeveen]

I wish we could get away from all the USB Type-A ports - just make all of them USB 3.2 Gen 2 so I don't have to think about which one to use. Same for the USB-C ports, really - I just want all of them to be USB 4 instead of mixing them with USB 3.2 Gen 2x2, or whatever it's called. Sure they're colored differently, but I don't want to have to crawl around the back of the case and use a flashlight every time I want to hook up a USB device (that I don't want to connect to the front panel).

[@jeffb.6642]

absolutely, the boards are already expensive enough that all the ports should be the same spec.

[@Quast]

How many USB-C devices do you have by now? But more importantly I think most of the USB-C sockets on the Mobo won't provide more than 15W.

[@Hugh_I]

I'm okay with having a pair of USB2 ports honestly. Gotta plug in my mouse and keyboard anyways, don't need high speed for that. But agree it's becoming quite annoying having a colorful mix of every of the standards no one can even remember the name of. Just having as many 3.2gen2 type-As and USB4 type-Cs as there's bandwidth would be my choice, but I guess it's a trade-off between making boards with more ports that go well with reviewers, or consolidating the chipset bandwidth into fewer but uniformly fast ports.

[@lolly_bread]

@@Hugh_I I agree. The mouse dongle n keyboard ports don't need more than 2.0 so I'm happy to see them there.

[@CaveWaverider]

Do all of these allow all M.2 slots to be filled and run at full speed while the PCIe x16 Slot still remains able to run at full speed with all M.2 SSDs filled as well, or are there restrictions? Is there bandwith sharing between anything or does everything work together? It would be nice if you could mention them if there are any such restrictions, because what good are lots of M.2 slots if you can't use them all at once without sacrificing video card performance?

[@sirmonkey1985]

you'd have to check the user manual's to find out exactly. usually they don't touch the primary x16 slot and pull extra lanes off the secondary PCIE expansion slots for M.2. but i believe x870E they're required for the spec to have a full unshared PCIE 5.0 x16 slot while non E has more flexibility. could be wrong though.

[@jojobetzler3732]

The AsRock X870E Taichi/Lite and the not yet released X870E Nova Wifi are the only X870/E motherboards with a debug display I´ve seen, where you can populate all M.2 slots and run PCIe1 with all 16 lanes. The Asus Crosshair Hero loses two slots, the Gigabyte Aorus Master/Pro/Elite are losing two slots and the MSI Carbon Wifi is losing one slot.

[@tanmayhembram9249]

@@jojobetzler3732 Asrock 🔥

[@Hugh_I]

The absolute maximum without any lane splitting or chipset multiplexing you can achieve on AM5 is one x16 GPU and three x4 NVMEs. Because you have 28 PCIe lanes from the CPU to play with - 4 of which always go through the chipset. On X670 you generally had two standard configurations that most Motherboards came with: 1. a full x16 GPU slot + two x4 M.2 Nvme from the CPU + more M.2 slots that share the gen4x4 bandwidth of the chipset or 2. an x8 GPU slot with one or two extra NVMEs from the CPU splitting of the other 8 lanes. Usually I think they only bother with one and waste the remaing 4x lanes. If the board has PCIe switches, the GPU slot can be used at full x16 if those NVME slot(s) are unused. On X870 (and X670 boards with USB4 support) I think 4 of those lanes from the CPU are used for USB4. I.e. you only have one M.2 slot directly from the CPU unless you cut down the lanes of the GPU slot. Meaning with a full x16 GPU, you can have a max of two NVMEs (one CPU, one chipset) with unshared bandwidth.

[@Petch85]

damn motherboards have become expensive. I use budget with 150$ for a good MB. >350$ for a motherboard 😱(I cannot afford this hobby anymore😥)

[@Nazwatonazwa]

Get job

[@Petch85]

@@Nazwatonazwa I can't handle any more jobs, not that anyone would give me a job.

[@user-qq8ek4zs4s]

25:10 Guess what ASUS asks pretty much 699,99 for the HERO ... LMAO spot on ... for that price im expecting nothing short of 1kg vaseline pot to be incl 😂.

[@LUNATIC75]

These boards are just excessive. You have to wonder where all this will end up. I'm starting to count myself lucky that I got my ITX B650 Aorus for £225 on a Warehouse deal...

[@Hugh_I]

well these are all flagship boards. I.e. ones that almost no one should buy, as you get most of the actual features you need from much better value options all the time. A "last gen" decent B650 board such as yours is still as capable to do all the MoBo things as these expensive ones to make your CPU go brr, break out PCIe lanes etc.

[@WrexBF]

If you want good and reliable onboard audio, or you plan to use your external DAC's optical input, do yourself a favor and avoid motherboards that use the Realtek ALC4080/4082.

[@conza1989]

B850/E might be interesting if it made PCIe 5.0 compulsory... I don't know if PCIe 5.0 for GPUs will matter, any time when AM5 is a thing, guessing maybe they'll be 8 lane PCIe 5.0 and those will be gimped on PCIe 4.0, so, a bit niche, but that's what happened last time :/

[@nightryder21]

Most likely marketing. Keeping numbers equally as large as Intel maybe

[@chuuni6924]

I've been really looking forward to 800-series motherboards, simply because I'm hopeful that they will bring discounts to 600-series ones. Perhaps it's finally time to go AM5. :)

[@stennan]

Asrock seems to be staking the position of offering most bang-for-buck in terms of HW/$. Though a bit disappointing that they couldn't post using that RAM-kit. Do you know if the motherboard makers will stop making motherboards with 600-series chipsets? It would be a shame if the Asrock B650M-HDV/M.2 would be EOL and its replacement using B850 won't arrive this year.

[@BrotherMichigan]

Cut the current rating of these power stages in half and drop the price. The "weakest" VRM in the lot maxed out at just 10.9% of its total current delivery capability! It's all just spec sheet racing devised by the marketing departments as a justification to charge more money...

[@jgd93]

I can't get over how butthurt all the youtubers are about this generation. "There's no difference" - First board has 3 key differences that make it worth the extra bucks for anyone upgrading from older hardware.

[@Adel-sj4ue]

Thanks for the amazing comparison Am so glad u added the ram oc to your comparison points I wish to keep ram oc as a comparison point in all of your future mb reviews thats extremly helpful for oc lovers

[@zodwraith5745]

Steve taking one for the team again! Excellent job having to stay awake through such mindlessly mundane testing of way too many pointless and overpriced motherboards.

[@Games_and_Tech]

did they fix the killing ssd Nmve feature present on the x670e carbon? and the customer service?😂😂😂

[@royr5527]

So my B650E ASRock Taichi is good then sounds like I don't need to upgrade. I'm already running 8000 on memory and I have usb 4 .

[@tek_lynx4225]

These are like the x4xx b4xx series Since we know the strat amd is taking, and this is the middle one, which will get alot cheaper later on as "recertified", eg a sticker with a bios update for future 10\11k to move stock as everyone thinks they need the latest chipset. These will be great cheap solutions in a few years.

[@ongxeno]

ohh no he is standing.

[@pepelaugh4091]

MENACINGLY

[@blackmennewstyle]

Stupid question, why did AMD jumped from X670 to X870? What happened to X770?

[@YayDanMan]

Gotta keep up with Intel's expected chipset naming 😂

[@GewelReal]

Short answer: money Long answer: mmmoonneeyy

[@AlexanTheMan]

Pure branding marketing nonsense, it's the same reason as to why there is no desktop Ryzen 6000 or 8000 series.

[@Revener666]

@@AlexanTheMan well they did use those numbers for the laptop cpu´s.

[@TheKims82]

@@AlexanTheMan You have 8 series APU's like 8500G, 8600G and 8700G.

[@robertmorrison4020]

Can't wait for the Asrock Nova review

[@boydr7160]

Displaying the name of the mobo next to the Rear IO layout would be nice.

[@CyberTweaker]

Gonna keep my $249 taichi lite. None of these overpriced board is enticing

[@Mario211DE]

Steve still standing? Whats going on

[@PhatToni]

Are any of those IO cover/shrouds removable? they all look so tacky..

[@marktackman2886]

LOVE the USB Performance section per port breakdown....sooo good.

[@JensAllerlei]

What's the point of X870E? 😅

[@omonkkonen6676]

More plastic covers with 100$ price. What else did you expect?

[@JensAllerlei]

@@omonkkonen6676 Well, I just hope the number of people getting fooled by the higher number stays low :/

[@lolly_bread]

Well personally I'm ready to get a new PC and I don't want a 2 year old motherboard for starters.

[@JayzBeerz]

Guess I’m staying with my B650E Steel Legend WiFi. Thanks bro.

[@vladimirljubopytnov5193]

what about the promised Asus B650E-I?

[@TheGameBench]

So X870 is basically a rebranded B650E board with mandatory USB4. So, what are they going to do for B850 and B850E... Also, at $700 for the Crosshair Hero... I feel that board should have 10Gb Ethernet at that price. It's nice to see 5Gb, but when you're charging $500+ for boards, I just feel like they've focused money in unnecessary places that don't really benefit the customer. But that's nothing new from the last generation of boards. Also... now I'm wondering what that extra 8-pin power on the motherboards are for.

[@avikchatterjee007]

and here I am trying to buy a good affordable B650 ATX motherboard in my country.

[@Petch85]

16:59 This is so cool that you have tested ECC. Thank you

[@AkaiSuzume]

The Asus board is the only one worth considering IF you're buying one of them.

[@phawxhunter]

Is 5 gigabit ethernet really that necessary for "gaming" motherboards? I feel it's more like a Workstation feature since the internal network infrastructure cost for 5gig is double the 2.5 right now. Just some unnecessary added expense for a feature that .1% of customers might use since investing in a 10gig network and buying ProArt boards is a more probable use scenario.

[@michaelkreitzer1369]

Seriously? It’s scandalous that these things don’t have 10gig, and you’re complaining that 5 is “too much”?! Maybe divert some of the cost of those ridiculous VRM designs to actual IO. “Gaming” isn’t a specialization.

[@habana7638]

The fact that you still spend time on these types of ridiculously priced motherboards, my money goes elsewhere.. but not in PC building or gaming anymore..

[@lolly_bread]

You crochet or knit now do you?

[@bartivbl]

This came up just as I started looking for components. Great timing!

[@macheerouistrash]

ITX when 😢

[@stennan]

mATX seems even more unlikely for the "better" X870... Which basically is a B650E with USB4. Seems like a rebadging exercise where the MB makers are trying to claw back margins after having to compete with each other.

[@WayStedYou]

not like you can use the extra lanes in an itx board anyway

[@tomaszcodasz]

@@WayStedYou I don't care about lanes, but CUDIMM support and ITX is the only factor i'm interested in also

[@stennan]

@@WayStedYou There was an Asus X870 ITX in the pile in the intro (top Right). Probably stack multiple M.2 on the backside or on a riser/daugther-board.

[@raulitrump460]

@@tomaszcodasz Not enough space on itx board to support it.

[@xozzy7809]

To the 870E motherboard creators, 10G Base-T or gtfo

[@WayStedYou]

so add cost to every board for something the vast majority of people dont want? they are already complaining about price and if you want 10G ethernet you are likely going to want to buy your own anyway

[@michaelkreitzer1369]

@@WayStedYou10gig is ancient by now. We’re to the point where Intel X520’s are worth more as scrap. These 2.5 and 5 gig nic’s are cost cutting nonsense. A 10gig phy would add at most pennies to the bom.

[@xozzy7809]

@@WayStedYou You are right, probably not needed to everyone but as far as I know there is no option from any producer with 10g which makes me sad. Mostly becuse I wanted to see mini itx board with this chipset and 10g. In mini itx I have only option either gpu or 10g.

[@sl9sl9]

@@xozzy7809 ASUS X670E Creator has 10G. You can also buy a 10G USB4 (Thunderbolt 3 or 4) adapter but these are expensive. I even saw a 10G adapter which fits into a 4X M.2 NVME slot (also expensive). The USB adapters are probably your best bet since they should at least have semi decent cooling, badly needed for all 10GBASE-T chips because it's an ancient technology from 2006! Ultimately I agree with you; 10G should be standard on such expensive mobos.

[@celcius_87]

No ECC support on the Asus is disappointing...

[@BRADASSOFFGRIDHOMESTEAD]

24H2 probably needed to see performance improvements?

[@tkunce1]

Thank you for providing onboard audio measurements. Audio is always the thing that breaks ties between boards with the same features for me

[@DanIsNotHome]

Not sure how useful these measurements are here. Anyone spending this much on a motherboard usually has an external DAC already..

[@bigdeagle1331]

If there is no gaming performance! Why buy these overpriced boards

[@DanIsNotHome]

Do you need guaranteed USB4 and PCIE 5.0? If no, skip. If yes, well here they are

[@phillippatryndal4255]

So... What's the best AM5 motherboard for USB 4 support then? (Seems to be a bit bad on x670e motherboards?) (Of course, with PCIE5, and the best (most/fastest) NVME SSD use case etc.?) I bought my current AM5 board 5 years ago and now need/use the USB3 capability, which I didn't initially. I expect the same for USB 4 in 3-4 years when I buy a motherboard now, which I therefore want. (I also need USB2 for my steering wheel, though I assume the boards have headers for that rather than ports that I can buy an adaptor for?) So no, even if the new X870E boards aren't exciting, they still seem an improvement for what I'm looking for?

[@berndkemmereit8252]

nothing without RGB it seems (I'm going from all white RGB everywhere to all black no RGB). Nice boards, but total overkill for 90% of gamers. Good for bragging rights of course...;-)

[@bean420man]

ASUS is automatically disqualified, no matter how good the product is. Bad CS, boards that kill CPU's and the ROG branding. The MSI board seems to be the best of the bunch. I hope the LAN isn't Killer however.

[@jforce321]

I don't think we need every motherboard out there to be liquid nitrogen capable. How about we go back to having some reasonably priced motherboards that simply power a processor within spec thanks.

[@michaelkreitzer1369]

No kidding. These are all made for KZbin views not actual productive use.

[@CrabJuice83]

I was heavily considering upgrading from my B550 to and X870E to go with a 9800X3D, but if this is what they're offering I'll just go with a X670E instead. Thanks a lot Steve's!

[@haloharry97]

it all nice and cool the asus but if you want to use everything you cant ;( ** When M.2_2 and M.2_3 are enabled simultaneously, PCIEX16_2 will be disabled. ***When M.2_3 are enabled, PCIEX16_1 will run x8, and PCIEX16_2 will run x4, M.2_2 will be disabled.

[@jeffb.6642]

Yeah splitting lanes between PCI-E slots and M.2 slots is so stupid and confusing but I think they all do it

[@Quast]

I'm glad this doesn't apply to the USB4 ports. I was afraid they'd just name those ports USB4 and thx to bifurcation you'd end up with 10 or 20Gbps speeds on those. xP

[@stevenszmek7007]

Thanks for the quick review ! With the 7800x3d reaching 430€ now i couldn't care less about new schemes to rip us off.... Now befor the coming "sales" prices have skyrocket in the EU. The 7800x3d was at 320€ 3months ago. Now with everyone falling AGAIN for the reviews of the regular AMD CPUs, believing that the 9000 Gen is "bad", customers throw their money at vastly overpriced chips. This helps AMD make record cash on the "old" 7000 series and give them a reason to price the new once higher. And all because youtube tells people that new non x3d processors are not as fast the current x3d once. Sometimes it really feels like the Idiocracy movie became reality....

[@Eddie_Li]

This is an amazing review, love all the review data points, Backside VRM temps, USB speeds, audio quality, Boot speed, and Max ram speed test. All these tests really set Hardware Unboxed from other review sites, keep up the excellent work! I wish one of these boards offered back side connect (MSI Project Zero, Asus BTF, Gigabyte Stealth), i believe this is the next big innovation in motherboards, and I would pay an extra $50-$100 for this option

[@ericcartman5722]

European prices -MSI Carbon - 500€ -Asrock - late to the party -Asus Crosshair Hero 813€!! (GPU pirce territory) -Gigabyte - late to the party

[@megadooooom6582]

i like the new USB and ECC content and if possible if you can add how much voltage and wattage can each USB use for USB Audio DAC or for Fast charging for phones it will be an added bonus but nonetheless good content

[@DELTA9XTC]

hmm I planned to buy the MSI x870e to pair it with a 9800x3D and 5090. Now the ASUS Crosshair x870e looks good as well. I like those two the most, visually. But I just checked the prices on Amazon (EU) LOL (remember all prices are WITH tax) - I can order the MSI Carbon Wifi for 483€, which is the price I expect for a x670e/x870e board. - the ROG Crosshair costs freaking 775€ lmao thats way too much for the ASUS, its obviously not 300€ better than the MSI. - the Asrock Taichi costs 559€ (or 489€ for the lite), so the Lite is basically equally as expensive as the MSI and the normal non-lite is 65€ more expensive. - the Gigabyte Aorus Master costs 593€, it also doesnt seem to be 110€ better than the MSI. so in the end the MSI Carbon Wifi x870e looks like the best option. I already wanted to buy the old x670e Carbon Wifi with a 7800x3D but since the 5090 doesnt get released until December or January anyway, so I figured its best to wait for the x870e + 9800x3D combo. Just not sure about the RAM. I will def buy a 64GB kit and planned classic 6000mh CL30. But now Im thinking about buying a faster kit? I will play at 4k 240hz, so maybe someone can speak from experience, how much gain IN GAMING (dont care about productivity)there actually is from a 8000mhz CL38 kit like Steve used in the video?

[@JoeL-xk6bo]

I built an all white pc recently using the X670 Aorus Pro X. Don't need USB4 because my laptop has it. Don't need wifi 7 because i use Windows 10 and wifi 7 drivers onyl work on Windows 11.

[@sethperry6616]

I would trade out a ton of USB for a single pcie x1 or even better x4. I personally don't need more than 2x USB 2, 1x 5gbps. So let's say 2x 2.0, 2x 3.0-5gbps, and 2x 3.0-10gbps and then leave the rest to pcie slots. I know it's not as simple as either USB or PCIe but pcie is way better.