Amdir vs RaSol: Presup Posturing Meets Unyielding Precision

[@CharlesB-NGNM]

25 minutes in and the atheist is working hard to help the presup formulate his own argument

[@elefth]

LMAO

[@thefizzyfeebas9891]

lol

[@scottevans1096]

He thinks the script he learned is an argument when it's only an interrogation. TAG is interrogative causistry.

[@jcg7672]

“you gave what’s called the Tom Jump inference rule” took me out lmao

[@neilmcginley6551]

Unyielding Precision meets skull full of kittens.

[@TremendousSax]

This is all summed up by his admission "I'm not interested in valid inference"

[@johanharto5076]

You need to add more hashtags to the video, there aren't anywhere near enough of them

[@Carlos-ql8sh]

Well, it is the tag argument.

[@vex1669]

P1 Without God you can be deceived by your senses. Implied: With God you won't be deceived by your senses. P2 We observably are regularly being deceived by our senses. C Therefore not God. Did I miss something or does their own argument actually falsify their god claim?

[@tussk.]

Can we ignore my faulty logic and address the point? No.

[@Aneurysmincoming]

If PMars thinks that to win a debate you have to give an argument then hes committed to saying that hes never won.

[@noexception9598]

I admit my prediction was wrong when I commented before the start of livestream that he will present nothing but question begging argument but surprise surprise he doesn't even have a argument....😅😂

[@Altitudes]

Not far in but on the epistemology/objective reality issue it always has to be pointed out that there may be things you need to posit in order to investigate the world, but that doesn't make them true. You could go as far as to grant that a belief in God is necessary in order to have a coherent epistemology and still not be granting that God exists.

[@MartinMensch]

Amdir: helping RaSol to formulate an argument RaSol: no formal argument presented Pmars: How can Amdir win without presenting any argument?

[@d1odream]

Eighth!

[@xRightHereRightNow]

Hatim! ^_^

[@JulianPrus]

The video stops right when the conversation was finally about to get good and productive. Does anyone have that recording?

[@darth_mb]

@@JulianPrus 😂, if u want Julian I can send it on cord LOL

[@JulianPrus]

@ thanks! julian.emanuel

[@darth_mb]

@@JulianPrus is this a different Julian or is this the Julian ik who's giving me some alt?

[@JulianPrus]

@@darth_mb haha nah different one, we’ve never spoken

[@darth_mb]

@JulianPrus oh ok, thought other Julian who sayiny he wanted his clip in as a joke

[@russellsteapot8779]

Oh boy. This is even worse than Malpass trying to get Slick to understand basic logic. 😂

[@jasonblackmore8904]

I may be wrong but is his argument this? P1 autonomous epistemology uses their senses to reason P2 using their senses to reason presupposes their senses are reliable P3 presupposing their senses are true is unjustified circular reasoning. C. If people who use autonomous reasoning are using unjustified circular reasoning to trust their senses. It would make their reasoning viciously circular.

[@scottevans1096]

He doesn't have an argument. It's all interrogation based on the presupposed infallibility of his assumptions. The goal is to dismiss non theist "vicious circularity" and claim victory for theist "virtous circularity" through divine revelation. It's childish rhetoric.

[@vex1669]

It's more like: P1 Autonomous epistemology uses sense data as justification. P2 The reliability of sense data is justified by autonomous epistemology. C Autonomous epistemology is fully justified. Criticism: The argument is circular. Yeah, badly worded. Too tired for precise wording. But if you break it down, his argument is just: "You can't solve the problem of hard solipsism."

[@marcuskissinger3842]

The conclusion Amdir was looking for was not even a conditional.

[@jasonblackmore8904]

@vex1669 that's interesting. So he's affirming that autonomous epistemology has justified reasoning via sense data. He's just saying he dismisses that because he believes it's circular reasoning but vicious in nature and thus can't be used. Is that right?

[@vex1669]

@@jasonblackmore8904 Not quite. I think he says that the epistemology justifies using sense data, while sense data justifies the epistemology, those both are ultimately unjustified, because said justification is circular. Kinda like the truth of the bible being justified by the existence of god and the existence of god being revealed by the bible.

[@uncomfortableshirt]

Are the allegations against Jack true?

[@darth_mb]

@@uncomfortableshirt u already asked this and I already responded

[@uncomfortableshirt]

@@darth_mb Oh I didn't even notice.. That's actually kinda wild..?

[@darth_mb]

@uncomfortableshirt it is. But that's old that's been thoroughly spoken about. This Jack top people are just coming to light of has became a dead horse beating

[@uncomfortableshirt]

@@darth_mb I mean so he doesn’t do this sort of stuff anymore then? I hope not because I like the way he talks and stuff but idk really hope he’s not a predator

[@darth_mb]

@uncomfortableshirt no he doesn't, he's said he wouldn't and gotten crazy he hate and said he only did it because he had the intuition she was sexually mature and there wasn't significant if any negative psychological effects. Ofc dumb reasons and he said he's now agnostic wether it was harmful and he could accept it was wrong considering empirical psychological data concerning teenage psychology.

[@Purkinje90]

Ordinal counting!

[@dutchchatham1]

Sixth!

[@MonsterAlgebra]

Holy shit show

[@ConceptCollection]

Fourth

[@chrism4505]

seventh

[@d1odream]

I️ feel like this all could’ve been fast forwarded if RaSol used chat gpt and asked it to formalize his argument and then give that argument to Amdir.

[@darth_mb]

@@d1odream no chat gpt is actually awful with logic, 80% chance it actually gives a valid argument.

[@d1odream]

@ not if you use a custom philosophy gpt. Even then 80% chance is still better than RaSol.

[@darth_mb]

@d1odream 🤣🤣

[@MonsterAlgebra]

AmDir was using it

[@marcuskissinger3842]

@@d1odreamhe probably meant 80% invalid.

[@General_Idea]

I like really like wanted to like watch this like video but like had to like abandon this like channel since the content like looks really like excellent but like with the speech impediment like character it became like really distracting like really like.

[@RahjaStooli]

First

[@seawolf7649]

Second.

[@OphiumsCopiumDen]

Jmike in the chat

[@darth_mb]

@@OphiumsCopiumDen bro gotta watch the cade vid

[@OphiumsCopiumDen]

@@darth_mb link it

[@darth_mb]

@OphiumsCopiumDen kzbin.info/www/bejne/i2Gbk4Odl7qJb7Msi=MUK7UcHXqfu6CHV2

[@thescott4340]

They might actually ban TikTok do plan on moving somewhere else?

[@darth_mb]

@@thescott4340 they are banning it, also yeah definitely, don't know where though.

[@MattSingh1]

*Third*