America's Weird, Small Political Parties Explained - TLDR News

[@jamesranjithkumar]

Socialists: Workers of the world unite Also Socialists roughly every 10 years: Let's split up gang

[@TheAmeliaMay]

Socialist parties divide like they're cells.

[@KaiserFredVIII]

An old joke goes that you can put two socialists in a room and in an hour you'll have three parties with four different socialist tendencies.

[@newfireidk6065]

@@KaiserFredVIII Very accurate Lol

[@graysonallen5410]

When Leftists achieve their goals the next thing is INFIGHTING cause they dont have anything to do.

[@hughjaneous4209]

@@TheAmeliaMay we breed by cell division lol

[@EverettBurger]

One lesson from Tuesday's election I'm Virginia was "All Politics Are Local". If any third party is going to make inroads in the US, they will have to think about concentrating on local elections: school boards, town councils, county seats, etc.

[@zooeyhill6006]

Well, a week ago 125 Libertarians got elected in Pennsylvania.

[@Warriorcats64]

Nope, it was nationalized to hell and back. The mythical "CRT" just happened to be a bigger scare than just Trump.

[@elmeromero127]

@@zooeyhill6006 under what party registration? Gop cmon

[@scvboy1]

I agree. Start with focusing on a handful of states (the left-wing ones if you're a leftist party or the right-wing ones if you're a right party), and eventually work your way up to hopefully getting a handful of seats in the House of Representatives. Once you do that you're party will instantly become 100x more relevant on the national stage becuase you'd hold major political power. Especially when the margin in the House is tight.

[@firemonkey0291]

@@Warriorcats64 if everything they’re teaching was good then why are they trying so hard to not let parents see it?

[@hurd3203]

Smaller parties are very interesting, the deeper you go, the weirder they get.

[@Luredreier]

Honestly, most of these are not weird at all. I'm genuinly surprised that the states didn't have any genuinely weird parties in this category.

[@IkeOkerekeNews]

@@Luredreier Why?

[@hurd3203]

@@Luredreier these parties are not weird, but when you go below the 10k presidential vote they start to get strange

[@czar6203]

@@hurd3203 wait. There's more than this video?

[@Hoangggggggggg]

but they have just zero chance to barely win anything. America is like a flawed democracy right now where 2 mainstream parties fighting each other and whenever there's a third party they would be like: "Hey, piss off". Not to mention their extreme usage of gerrymandering congressional districts and all presidential races are decided by swing states. Rather they campaign nationally, they just campaign in these swing states more frequently. The Electoral College is old and unfair, their whole political system has to change

[@technetium9653]

A socialist party : splits A few years later : wanna see us do it again ?

[@Vmvmvmvmvn]

The left is the biggest enemy of the left.

[@scvboy1]

@@Vmvmvmvmvn Facts.

[@Nihilistpink]

@@Vmvmvmvmvn As a leftist I can confirm this

[@TheLostArchangel666]

Darned splitters...

[@Nihilistpink]

@Alex Pokrandt oh it's on tanky!

[@Evannnnnnnn2]

A good chunk of these parties (particularly the solidarity party) sound like they would be pretty normal in any other country

[@bothi00]

The Republicans would be a fringe weirdo party in any European country - even moreso than the likes of National Rally in France. Even before Trumpism, their fiscal conservatism would have made them fringe in Europe comparatively.

[@andraddya8447]

@@bothi00 Isnt that euro centrist?

[@leafcathead]

@@bothi00 That's a common myth. The truth of the matter is that if you take the issue of healthcare out, the Republican party is like most conservative parties in Europe.

[@bothi00]

@@leafcathead healthcare is kind of a pretty massive one though. You realise that Obamacare would be unconscionable in any other country, right? Like even that, which caused the GOP to have a meltdown and astroturf the TEA Party, if proposed by a conservative party or politician in europe would be the end of their career. Paul Ryan's proposed Healthcare plan would literally be unfathomable. Also, seriously, what kind of argument is that?? "if you just ignore and take out actual facts and reality then actually, I'm right". And no, it's not just healthcare. Education Income tax Gun control Voting rights and procedures Climate change (any party or politician that denies it in Europe and has senior figures and elected officials actually literally bring bags of snow as "proof" that climate change is made up instantly loses all credibility and electability) Immigration (literally no other party has a Muslim Registry and bans immigration from specific countries based on religion. No other party wants to build literal walls to seperate countries like that.) Campaign finance and donations Dude, the Republicans are fucking lunatics. They are categorically insane on the vast majority of issues by the measure of most other countries, especially developed countries and especially European countries.

[@interestingman7458]

Anti same sex marriage is a pretty fringe belief.

[@KamiInValhalla]

The only way for these parties to succeed are to start at the bottom. Meaning city mayor for example. You will not win on the national level until you win on the local level.

[@dark_messiah8183]

I know PSL in particular does lots of local work and electioneering. They recently ran for mayor of somewhere big (maybe New York City?) and got a large sum of votes, iirc.

[@tranidite]

@@dark_messiah8183 I think they won a city then got kicked out via impeachment.

[@fermintenava5911]

Even that seems utopian.

[@MrThorfan64]

Yeh but people like Ralph Nader would prefer to help the Parties least like them to get in so they can feel more principled.

[@Jenkowelten]

​@@traniditewho and where?

[@ricardocorrea8325]

Important to mention that the PSL last week had the best vote share of any socialist candidate in NYC since the 1950s with more than 25 thousand votes in NYC alone

[@sarah07290]

also important to mention that PSL is not only infested with feds but also harbours abusers.

[@MarxistNurse]

@@sarah07290 which Marxist group in the imperial core isn’t? PSL is helping educate working people and expand class consciousness, regardless of there being shitty individuals in the party

[@HandyDandy6]

​@eason7207 every successful party will be infiltrated. It's part of being a socialist, so you deal with it or continue to be small and inconsequential. I cannot speak for the 2nd part, do you have any specifics to point towards?

[@JacobPrater]

​@@sarah07290source?

[@danielsurvivor1372]

Very evil, American Solidarity party is better 3rd option and Libertarians as 4th

[@JJMcCullough]

Peace and Freedom is the party Rosanne ran for, right?

[@buffaloc20]

Yes, in 2012, although in 2020 they kept with the Non-Stein Socialist line and endorsed PSL candidate Gloria La Riva

[@sinoroman]

hi, J.J.

[@vicentehodecastromenano2253]

Cool JJ watches tldr newd

[@michaelschmidt7214]

She did twitter campaigning before trump made it cool

[@MarcBienenfeld]

Hey JJ Good to see you! hope you're doing good, im a big fan

[@Teag_Brohman15]

how can anyone think that 2 parties can represent so many people they can't

[@huseyinonganwork]

@@xunqianbaidu6917 that's called oligopoly, not so free market is it?

[@robertabella1806]

@@huseyinonganwork they can vote for any party. but they don't because it will weaken the left/right chances of getting the presidency

[@huseyinonganwork]

@@robertabella1806 free market requires perfect competition. Do you think all parties have the same opportunities?

[@huseyinonganwork]

@@xunqianbaidu6917 seeing as American ideology is based on free market economics, it's weird. Politics is a market by the way, it's a way of distributing power to people.

[@huseyinonganwork]

@@xunqianbaidu6917 seeing as American ideology is based on free market economics, it's weird. Politics is a market by the way, it's a way of distributing power to people.

[@smfe]

American Solidarity is like the opposite of Libertarians. Libertarians are fiscally conservative and socially progressive, while Solidarity-ists are fiscally liberal and socially conservative.

[@whattheydidnttellyouwithbr2844]

Exactly

[@pastormarkpowell]

I found Libertarians to be more Anarchists (no government)...at least here in Indiana.

[@Argonhubert]

@@pastormarkpowellI wouldn’t say the last libertarian candidate Jo Jorgensen was an anarchist though

[@MyPrideFlag]

What does it mean fiscally "liberal" or "conservative". Which one is pro market and which is pro social spending cause I'm getting lost.

[@GigaRoman]

​@@MyPrideFlagin the US fiscally liberal is restrictions on the market, welfare, worker's rights, taxes on the rich, etc. Fiscally Conservative is Laissez-Faire (almost no restrictions), less welfare, less taxes on the rich, less worker's rights, etc.

[@xboxman1710]

This was quite interested, though none of these parties will relevant on either a state or national level until ranked choice voting is adopted.

[@periculum69]

Ranked choice is vastly better than the first past the post method we currently have. But it's honestly not the most amazing system either and still can suffer from the spoiler effect. I would love to see us switch to a cardinal method such as STAR voting. But any reform is a step in the right direction.

[@765infinity]

@@xunqianbaidu6917 probably not at the national level, but I could believe state legislatures might have significantly more luck in a ranked choice voting system getting diverse 3rd party representation.

[@blacklisted351]

Not entirely true, there have been multiple relatively recent races where a third party candidate managed to run ahead of one of the major party candidates But I still agree with having ranked choice voting

[@carlorazzeto]

First past the post essentially ensures you can't have more than two major parties. So you could say the same of any American third party. Thankfully some states have already implemented RCV and there is broad national support for exactly this reform.

[@ianbelanger7459]

@@carlorazzeto For the US, the more important issue than RCV is the structure of the government in general. The central assumption of the framers was that a Senator from West Virginia would vote for West Virginia and not surrender their power to another state like Texas. Since 1980 there has been an increasing nationalization of the parties, which has transformed them into parliamentary parties. There are simply no good systems for dealing with the resulting deadlock. The trick is to break party nationalization, which will most likely come from stopping the national parties from controlling the means to run for office. This will most likely happen when one party makes all sides of the dark money arms race disarm. While there are other methods, removing the money would be more likely than restructuring congress.

[@JC-jz3ry]

Analyzing these parties just by presidential elections is a little limiting. For example, the PSL does put forth presidential candidates, but my understanding is that they are more focused on local elections and engaging communities outside of electoral politics.

[@jerbid_]

Yeah, they're far more active in organizing stuff like protests than elections

[@4fallschirmjager]

@J C they don't really participate in elections but they run a presidential candidate just to raise awareness of their existence to the broader population

[@Lasers666]

PSL runs candidates mostly because it provides a convenient context in which to build public exposure and introduce people to its stances on things. I met Gloria La Riva, the PSL presidential candidate, back in 2020 and she was pretty cool to talk to.

[@4fallschirmjager]

@@Lasers666 heck yeah I talked to her in DC it was the best day of my life

[@seanhartnett79]

Peace and freedom in California can be very strong getting more than a million votes at some levels.

[@spudders9034]

Would love to see US politics adopt a european style model and move away from the traditional 2 party system

[@tranidite]

Though honestly they should keep the "everyone votes for president" thing I believe how they elect a prime minister in the UK for example is undemocratic.

[@TheRusty]

Won't happen though without a constitutional amendment. The reason is the US has a very, very primitive, even childish view of democracy. if one candidate wins 50.01% of the votes and the other candidate wins 49.99% of votes, the first candidate wins totally. it's "winner takes all." Under a more advanced democracy this situation would lead to some sort of power sharing so that a practical half of the voters are not left in the swamp.

[@chriswicker6672]

yes we need to get even weaker and more useless

[@SPENCEx1x3]

@@TheRusty this is the besides Maine and Nebraska who determine it by congressional district, which is how I think it should be done. Winner of the state wins the two electors representing the state as a whole.

[@davidroddini1512]

@@SPENCEx1x3 While I agree that Maine and Nebraska have a “better” system for elections, the problem goes much deeper. Most Americans don’t even know that any 3rd parties exist. Of those that do many don’t even realize there are any 3rd parties smaller than the Green Party. Even if they do know about 3rd parties, the system is rigged against them so that a third party vote is “wasted” at best and helps the “worse” of the two evils at worst. What we need is to have a national discussion on what should be considered a valid 3rd party and then guarantee that any group that meets those criteria will be on the ballot and in all the debates like the major parties. Once 3rd parties no longer have the “wasted/spoiler vote” stigma, maybe we can break in to governance and free Americans from the duopoly that is the American political system. Alternatively if could force the break up of the Democratic and Republican into at least 3-4 smaller parties each, it might be easier for “3rd” parties to complete against the 6-8 “major parties”. True, government by coalitions has its own problems. But I think that it is preferable to the total deadlock and radicalization that the American duopoly fosters.

[@joaovitormatos8147]

No one: Literally no one: Not a single soul: Socialists when no one's around: 7:04

[@ThomasWilliams1]

Lol 😆

[@JimRFF]

Socialists: "Workers of the world unite!" Also Socialists: "But not with those other socialists, they suck."

[@Linterna001]

Stupid Socialists, they ruined socialism.

[@avinashtyagi2]

@@Linterna001 YOU'VE MADE A REVOLUTIONARY FOR LIFE!

[@_MrMoney]

Leftist infighting moment

[@andus4389]

Wow, I really need to do more research into the American Solidarity Party. I've become disillusioned with the Republicans and I want a more central party to vote for. I'm excited to study now, lol

[@julesrafaelmag-isa681]

How about the American Alliance Party? Based on my understanding of this video, it's centrist (neutral) compared to the conservative Republicans and liberal Democrats. Like the American Solidarity Party, they have some liberal and conservative views, as they have a balanced wingship of the political spectrum.

[@zr3755]

I think the Constitution Party would be better. But I agree that the GOP is completely inept

[@TSGPhilipp]

@Just An Observer On The Internet what?

[@georgelabe-assimo4365]

@Just An Observer On The Internet How is the Solidarity Party more extremist than the Republicans? That’s a label I’d give more to the Constitution Party or something similar to that more than anything.

[@georgelabe-assimo4365]

Honestly, they’re probably the most moderate of the parties on this list, so I’d recommend the ASP.

[@Autconscipatheonive]

Cover more European fringe parties. Like French, Italian, Swedish and German ones.

[@glif1360]

And Russian. At least I'll know what the hell all 14 positions in the ballot stands for.

[@DaDunge]

In a proportional parliament you don't really get fringe parties in the same way. If a party doesn't get into parliament it's usually for a good reason.

[@iamaloafofbread8926]

Go to the E.U. channel...

[@IkeOkerekeNews]

@@DaDunge Is it always?

[@DaDunge]

@@IkeOkerekeNews Didn't say always but most European parliamentary democracies have loads of fairly small parties already.

[@PoliticsMadeSimple]

Yes! Happy to see someone talk about smaller parties 👍

[@nerdwizard]

As an American and a former Conservative Republican, I'm glad to now be following the American Solidarity Party, myself, for the foreseeable future. I was spouting Distributist talking points long before I even knew who Belloc and Chesterton were.

[@Evannnnnnnn2]

@Invictian even as a socialist I hope we can achieve what Huey never did

[@stoutyyyy]

And the complete destruction of religious liberty is just a bonus is it

[@koba687]

I was conservative republican myself once opon a time but now I'm a marxist leninist

[@mechamedegeorge6786]

@@koba687 Jesus Christ

[@Jay_Frank]

@@koba687 I hope that was a joke

[@Tjalve70]

8:28 "Additionally, they support free speech for all, well, with important caveats. The party states that under their system of government, free speech will only be abridged to prevent ... the re-establishment of capitalism." Yeah, that sounds like something that would NEVER be abused.

[@MarcusTrawick]

There is an need to prevent re-establishment of capitalism. It's like cancer.

[@dango6266]

Free speech is a joke anyways so not much would change

[@blade_boibb2920]

PSL member: we haven’t split off from that many parties. Starts counting the amount of parties they have split from PSL member: ummmm I ran out of fingers

[@Emily-gh2mm]

are you missing a hand

[@Nielsfest]

As a European it's funny to see how parties with 'normal' agendas are being stigmatized as being 'socialist' while here it's just common sense to care for your people. Vote PSL!

[@eldrago19]

It's worth pointing out that a lot of the people voting or registering American Independent believe that they are a neutral or non-aligned group (ie independents), not a hard right party.

[@seanhartnett79]

Sadly true. There was an article that said like half or more of the votes didn’t actually want to be registered with them.

[@bobbob465]

Brian: "We must unite against the common enemy!" Everyone: "THE JUDEAN PEOPLE'S FRONT?!?"

[@louisduarte8763]

"No, no, The Romans!"

[@leighpowell1062]

No the people's front if Judea

[@nicholasoneal1521]

They got a detail wrong, the PSL got 85,000 votes in 2020

[@pyzard]

Yay

[@Flyingclam]

I like the Alliance party alot. Wish they had a chapter in NC but they are mainly in the west coast atm

[@PLPEberronguy]

I am less certain on them (though I am not certain on any party to be honest right now). Your best bet is to try and be the one to set up the chapter and stand for the party you want to support. I believe in you!

[@gustafpetersson1109]

@@PLPEberronguy This is a nice reply to read, when the comment section can be an otherwise hostile place. Keep it up!

[@pickledboaby]

They ran in SC’s state elections in a lot of races

[@reversedragon3]

surprisingly fair coverage of the PSL, but does not explain that most of the splits in the timeline trace back to fear of the Third International / comintern there are two major "revolutionary socialisms", the Third International and the Fourth International, and the bulk of the splits and rebrandings come from the latter

[@redniko]

Some of these splits also happened because PSL upholds AES and the Soviet Union I think. And the PSL of today is markedly different in some political positions and more hardline Marxist-Leninist then it used to be and the groups that it split from.

[@appa609]

The best is "The Rent is Too Damn High Party" and Jimmy Mcmillan

[@BoganTheLastard]

It's not weird to have more than 2 political parties. It's weird to have a first past the post system that discourages political diversity

[@itsohaya4096]

I've voted for PSL and PFP in the midterm elections. None of my candidates made it but I'd rather vote fire something I want and not get it than vote for something I don't want and get it

[@MyPrideFlag]

I also voted PSL, Polskie Stronnictwo Ludowe (Polish People's Party). They're christian conservatives and 3rd largest party in Poland, also the oldest one. Stop copying our acronyms 😅

[@adamfranz3702]

Vermont Progressive Party member here! We're the most successful third party in America, with the Lieutenant Governor, one state senator, and four state representatives. Burlington, Vermont's biggest city, has a Progressive mayor and 5 out of the 12 seats are Progressives. The party came about when Bernie Sanders was elected mayor of Burlington as an independent and had trouble getting his agenda passed through a city council dominated by Democrats and Republicans, his allies who got elected to the city council formed a Progressive Coalition. It became a political party in the 1990s when it started fielding candidates on the state level.

[@MadJackChurchill1312]

God forbid people organise against bourgeois parties.

[@jebremocampo9194]

I like how he says that the Alliance party is so centrist and then says all the progressive agendas it has. Seriously, they are doing their best to stay neutral but our understanding of center vs your center, is wildly different

[@ianhomerpura8937]

That is because US politics is so far inclined to the right that centrists in most countries are considered progressive in the US.

[@ΝεκτάριοςΧριστοφή-σ5δ]

Progressivism is not the "left", the positions are used in the centre and centre-right parties of Europe. Democrats by most countries' standards will be probably considered centre-right because of their very market-oriented economic positions. This spectrum of left to right doesn't help a lot really...that's why he breaks done the positions

[@pharder1234]

PSL is a great party, seen alot of good work theyve done on the ground in philly

[@Nycno]

​@Renan_PS Don't need to disagree if they are correct.

[@pharder1234]

@Renan_PS their line is more nuanced than that. It's an old marxist-leninist party, and they try to be as cohesive as possible. All their members have agreed to not criticise the party in public. Instead they opt for internal debates only as a route of critisism. I think this is what he's refferring to when he talks about free speech, its PSL's line on unity through rhetorical discipline. But trust me all these small left parties have stupid weird rules like that. If youve ever encountered the PSL in person though, you'll know how good they are at on the ground organizing: tenants rights, unionizing, community cleanups, food distribution, and much much more. It's much more than I can say about most of the other "far left parties" who do alot of talking and not alot of organzining. That's what most people think of when they encounter the PSL, the fact that their members can't criticise them in public and i guess therefore you could say theyre anti-free speech is pretty irrelevent to most of the work they actually do. Plus no one is stopping a member from leaving the party and critisicing them in public. It's just bit of an odd point that doesn't really capture the politiccal significance of the PSL

[@lukesmith8896]

@@pharder1234 Mm, somethin' like democratic centralism. I've known about PSL for a while, I've read two of their books and I check Liberation News regularly. It's the political party I that find to be most reasonable in its ideology, actions, and, especially, in its strategy.

[@jakekaywell5972]

@Renan_PS The line is not really as contradictory as you think it is. If your ideology is that capitalism is destroying the planet, people’s lives, and is a net negative, it doesn’t make sense to allow it, same as fascism. I believe their line is more specifically geared towards eventual political counterrevolution-style political speech, not just some guy griping about wishing he still lived under capitalism.

[@hotlinerevachol5436]

@Renan_PS because they deliberately lied about what "democratic centralism" means or is.

[@loratoad]

I would be very open to the American solidarity party of the alliance party. Currently working for ranked choice voting in my state to make it more of a possibility here.

[@raney150]

In my city, all the city council seats are held by Dems. 3 of them had a challenge in 2020. 2 were challenged by Republicans, and one by someone from the PSL. The Challenger that came the closest to winning was the PSL.

[@ash_11117]

What city

[@Jenkowelten]

Yeah, I would love to know too

[@seanhartnett79]

Wheee?

[@redniko]

Which city? I've been trying to follow PSLs local politics

[@ddog_2559]

there is an openly socialist member of Seattle's city council, but i believe she was voted out or resigned earlier this year

[@freddybenelli9100]

Say "zero" just once, bro. I promise you'll love it.

[@zachryder3150]

Duopoly political party system go *BRRRR*

[@Sly88Frye]

That Peace and freedom party actually sounds really appealing after you described it.

[@Sergalt]

It is wierd to see PSL as American party In Poland PSL is Polskie Stronnictwo Ludowe , which can be translated as Polish People's Party, it is still quite leftist party

[@reieduardorei]

In Brazil we too have a PSL party ("Partido Social Liberal" or "Social Liberal Party"). However, despite the name, it's quite the opposite from those two, being a right-wing party (formerly a populist hard right, nowadays is somewhat unclear what kind of brand of right wing it's going to be, since it's facing a transition period)

[@missk1697]

PSL is centrist party

[@titansquirrel4408]

You just blew my mind with American solidarity party that platform is nuts

[@Curiousdog447]

​@jm6456IT'S SO F*CKING INCREDIBLE

[@thefalconegeneral4820]

Actually the psl is the biggest of the fringe parties they got 86,239 votes in the 2020 election

[@ShayNoMore1]

Probably the cringiest one

[@ryangutierrez775]

The worst one

[@jakekaywell5972]

@@ryangutierrez775 The best one, you mean.

[@jakekaywell5972]

@@ShayNoMore1 The basest one. PSL member here.

[@redniko]

Really? i didn't know it was that big. that's fucking awesome

[@finswemarxist]

Glad to see that TLDR are not partial talking about socialist parties! BBC or CNN could not Xdd

[@Lasers666]

Wikipedia has PSL at 86,239 votes. Still pretty small, but at any rate the numbers might be a bit off.

[@llewelynlawton]

If I was in the states I'd vote for the American Solidarity Party

[@shibavekreal]

Yeah they seem cool minus the parts about gay marriage and abortion

[@knightshade2654]

They are the party that is generally closest to my beliefs. My only gripes are their fairly dovish positions on foreign policy and immigration.

[@listen1st267]

You can run with them for a small local election like city or county council or for school boards. They're generally pretty low work load so you could go part time with your job. I'm definitely considering that for the next election cycle in my town

[@llewelynlawton]

@@listen1st267 I'd be tempted to if I lived in the US

[@knightshade2654]

@@listen1st267 Can a university student do that?

[@matthewsoules7193]

Peace and liberty party: Point 2- Global disarmament. Point 3- Protect and extend the liberties guaranteed in the Bill of Rights Those seem to be slightly contradictory

[@Jay_Frank]

I noticed the exact same thing.

[@whattheydidnttellyouwithbr2844]

I didn't know the second amendment gave you a right to nuclear missiles and other weapons of mass destruction?

[@dango6266]

Its a disarmament of nuclear weapons bruh

[@koalasandwich567]

Alliance and Yang should join forces, if Yang wants to win he needs to team up with more parties and groups.

[@Flyingclam]

If I remember correctly UBI is a debated issue within the Alliance party. So I don't know if that merger would go well and accidentally split the party

[@julesrafaelmag-isa681]

I agree.

[@unsrescyldas9745]

which would make his platform even more watered down and meaningless. cooperation means you will have to compromise on your views, and you can only compromise so much till you become a clown.

[@Jenkowelten]

​@@unsrescyldas9745but it's centrists and centrists

[@dstinnettmusic]

I would argue that the ASP is not against gay marriage. There is a bit of diversity of opinion in the party on this topic.

[@knightshade2654]

As someone who follows them, they are against gay marriage but not homosexuality. I am pretty sure that they are okay with civil unions.

[@cassidygordon9303]

@@knightshade2654 it’s 2020, not 2004. Civil unions don’t cut it anymore. Also being against gay marriage is anti gay.

[@tjagnew8290]

@@knightshade2654 yes.

[@Curiousdog447]

​@@knightshade2654I love them more and more😍, its like they created that party solely on my beliefs 🥰

[@danielseelye6005]

I'd rather we had an American version of the Official Monster Raving Loony Party. Since the whole election thing is a joke, might as well have some fun. 🥳

[@JimRFF]

I mean, we do have the National Barking Spider Resurgence Party... and Vermin Supreme is basically an entire political ideolgy-satire in himself xD

[@danielseelye6005]

@@JimRFF 🤨🤔

[@iamboxelz7276]

We may not have a monster raving loony party, but we do have Kanye West.

[@irishis3]

@@iamboxelz7276 you can't get much fringier than The Birthday Party

[@eoghan.5003]

They're called "the Republicans"

[@metadexter]

It really sucks because some of these parties sound really cool but we can’t vote for them because of our choose-one plurality system. We really need a better voting system like STAR Voting to give us true choice in our representation!

[@sanjayrai2934]

What is star? I know about ranked and stv but not star

[@fosyay1780]

I just don't vote for either of the two big ones anymore. Only 3rd parties and independents.

[@favretheundead]

STV via the fair representation act for the house imo.

[@VOTCM]

why do people say “self proclaimed” marxists or “self proclaimed” communists?

[@EuropeanQoheleth]

Fiscally left wing, socially conservative and the fastest growing party(?). Solidarity are an American Aontu in other words.

[@user-hm4od3wu1z]

The American solidarity one actually winds up with my views more

[@danielsurvivor1372]

American Solidarity party and Libertarian party should become official alternatives to current two with maybe Centrist type party.

[@tokimukai2203]

PSL sounds pretty cool ngl

[@ideas_inkwell]

Unironic American Solidarity fan. Peace & Freedom are cool as well.

[@Yourdrunkuncledave]

I think they have quite a few genuinely good takes, especially on things like economics and criminal justice reform. But some of their positions are too extreme. Completely anti-gay marriage and anti-abortion? Not even in the case of rape of when the mother's life is in danger? I myself am somewhat of a moderate on some social issues but this is just too moralistic and unreasonably stringent.

[@szmyzy1347]

In Poland we have PSL too, but it’s conservative-liberal agrarian party lol

[@merkel7647]

The american solidarity party is all I could ask for.

[@Mike_RMCF]

honestly

[@interestingman7458]

Anti same sex marrige?

[@Mike_RMCF]

@@interestingman7458 yes

[@interestingman7458]

@@Mike_RMCF Damn. Don’t know why it bothers you if I as a guy wanna marry another guy

[@perry6660]

@@Mike_RMCF bro, your parents never taught you to mind your own business? what a backward way of thinking.

[@Stinoco]

The American Solidarity Party surprisingly combines Republicans and Democrats

[@kuroazrem5376]

Very interesting video. I didn't even know other third parties, outside the Greens and the Libertarians, even existed.

[@ComedyJakob]

Freedom of speech, as long as it doesn't promote ideas that the party is against. I don't think you get to say you're for free speech, then.

[@jakekaywell5972]

The line is not really as contradictory as you think it is. If your ideology is that capitalism is destroying the planet, people’s lives, and is a net negative, it doesn’t make sense to allow it, same as fascism. I believe their line is more specifically geared towards eventual political counterrevolution-style political speech, not just some guy griping about wishing he still lived under capitalism.

[@Argonhubert]

@@jakekaywell5972limiting freedom of speech in any way shape or form is not free speech. China says it supports free speech but at the end of the day people are imprisoned for having views that are opposed to the ccp.

[@Argonhubert]

@@jakekaywell5972in essence the party promoting this version of free speech would be in favor of arresting someone for having favorable views towards free market policy. This policy is no different than China’s “free speech for ccp members or bust “policies. Only one side gets freedom of speech. Saying that capitalism is destroying the world is an opinion that such policy favors.

[@The_king567]

@@jakekaywell5972 Wow, you’re so delusional and wrong first of capitalism isn’t destroying the planet or hurting anyone’s freedom of speech is amazing you people failed history class. I don’t know anything about the political. System or the metric we use

[@ericispublius]

@@Argonhubert I mean, just as the US has had free speech? There's been 70 years of McCarthyism. It's interesting that the US sits upon such a high moral horse yet in actuality is the country responsible for genocides & the stripping of free speech

[@Chrissy717]

After having already clicked the thumbnail I gotta say, very good video.

[@CZ75A22]

Imagine if there were a Year Zero party called Amer-Rouge

[@WorldTravelerCooking]

I am very much a supporter of the ASP. I think one thing that is interesting on the fringe are the differences in social philosophies. These are views that exist in dialog with the mainstream ideology of the US as critique with, one can only hope, the power to change the way Americans think about governance in order to move forward. One thing that could be interesting in the future would be to interview with executives or leaders in various minor parties to see how they would understand the differences in social and political philosophy to the mainstream. As I often say, every country has a social philosophy of which every party participates willingly or not. In Germany it is Christian Democracy. In Sweden it is Social Democracy. And in the US it is Liberalism. And one only really even steps into the threshold in the fringe.

[@timtrewyn453]

ASP is closely aligned with Catholic Social Teaching. Concern with Trump's violent rhetoric may steer more pro-life voters to pro-life minor parties such as the ASP.

[@crimsonflood1643]

oh I voted for PSL in 2020 actually, write-in in texas

[@josecarlosmoreno9731]

The ASP would be a major party if it wasn't for the political duopoly keeping all 3rd parties down. It'd give a lot of the working class an option that isn't either an attack on your material well being (GOP) or an attack on your morals (Dems). This includes many minorities, given that it's white liberals and their indoctrinated token minorities that drive the conversation in the Dem party, Latinos, Blacks, Asians, etc, a LOT of us don't support the overnight nonstop changing morals that are imposed from above by the rich. Seriously, every 5 years the liberals of yesterday become the conservatives of today yet we're gaslighted that the slippery slope isn't real, and that you somehow are called a race traitor if you don't agree with the few token minorities white liberals like to parade around and the woke dogma that changes every 5 seconds. Modern liberals have lost their minds and are nothing like those of 10-15 years ago, and the conservatives are in bed with nativists and libertarians (I don't say corporations because the liberals support those too). The ASP represents the views of most normal people who still have a sense of right and wrong that is grounded rather than everchanging as well as they support the people over the rich elites that control both parties and keep us all sick, poor, and suffering.

[@pastormarkpowell]

Amen.

[@canadianmonarchist6357]

Merge the legislative and executive branch, "reform" free speech to not allow hate speech or pro capitalist opinions im sure that wont end up with a strong man dictator

[@ryanmcfall1127]

Yeah, that sounded waaay too similar to Lenin

[@FeCyrineu]

Those policies raise alot of red flags, and not the good kind. The separation of powers exist for a very good reason.

[@mansonsacidtrip6862]

@@FeCyrineu Parliamentary systems work plenty well in other countries and that's what a merger of Congress and the executive would be.

[@drumpuppy2000]

@@mansonsacidtrip6862 name a functioning democracy without a separate legislative and executive branch

[@IkeOkerekeNews]

@@mansonsacidtrip6862 Parliamentary systems clearly separate the executive and legislative branches of government.

[@rbrainsop1]

I'm one of the 61,000 who voted for the American Solidarity Party in 2020. I hope they keep picking up steam

[@caleb7612]

Same! I really hope more people will know about it for future elections

[@RalphyNoPants]

Me too.

[@caleb7612]

@Just An Observer On The Internet are you referring to us?

[@stoutyyyy]

So you’re a Catholic Francoist then? Because that’s the end goal of the ASP leadership and the majority of their base.

[@Ariverfish]

​@@stoutyyyyBased, I'm personally more of a Carlist, but I can settle for Franco. Add a sprinkle of Rivera and Chesterton/Belloc and it's perfect. Here's to a new day! ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

[@ericitzhakeads6905]

As a former member of the PSL, it’s terrible. Absolutely don’t join

[@iiGORO333]

Can you expand on why? Ive been talkingto their members and doing research onthe party, they came up tovme at a fundraiser event.

[@geraldgreen6794]

As a current member of PSL. Best decision of my life and couldn't recommend it more.

[@justnorthofnormal2113]

The PSL and Peace and Freedom honestly deserve so much more support and I hope they’ll work together more often in the future. I’m a socialist myself and disagree with both parties on a number of issues, but I’m still happy to see the left in America growing more and more every day.

[@seand.g423]

You forgot the smallest one of all: "Civilians who actually have a reason to vote contrary to corporate and international lobbies"

[@sirwinterfoxgaming355]

I hope a third party can challenge the rep's and dem's. America could really use it a long with election reforms.

[@therongjr]

0:48 - The Green-Rainbow Party is just the name of the Green Party in Massachusetts, just like the Green Party in West Virginia is called the Mountain Party.

[@badboje6040]

LOL'ing at the PSL's "support" for free speech "We support free speech, except for our political enemies"

[@koushiro86]

Curiously that’s the position of the far right

[@The_Midnight_Bear]

@@koushiro86 yeah. Both extremes work the same

[@kingrippzard2027]

@@koushiro86 well yeah at the end of the day both extremes will probably end up the same free speech wise wether it be the USSR or Nazi germany. Right or left doesn’t really matter on this one jimbo

[@jakekaywell5972]

The line is not really as contradictory as you think it is. If your ideology is that capitalism is destroying the planet, people’s lives, and is a net negative, it doesn’t make sense to allow it, same as fascism. I believe their line is more specifically geared towards eventual political counterrevolution-style political speech, not just some guy griping about wishing he still lived under capitalism.

[@user-x2y2x]

Should be noted that for a very short time a Libertarian was a member of congress but was elected as a Republican.

[@louisduarte8763]

Now I remember the 2016 Libertarian candidate, former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson, and how he was so off-putting, he didn't siphon away enough votes from Trump.

[@LeoDas688]

In India we have multiple parties with more than one communist party, so for me, it seems normal, I commented this because I say people are astonished by how the communist parties can split multiple times, It is mainly because they disagree on some points and doesn't feel they and their ideology doesn't get representation in the current party

[@darrylbradshaw216]

"A very narrow spectrum of debate but very lively debate within the narrow spectrum to maintain the illusion of plurality and freedom"

[@lisa._.the._.lovely]

I thought the Peace and Freedom Party sounded good until I heard the Alliance Party! It's crazy I live here and I haven't heard of the majority of those

[@huwinner2428]

I'm glad these parties finally get some exposure. I've been really impressed with the American Solidarity Party. If you feel alienated by the current two party system, I'd really encourage you to check it out.

[@Noam_.Menashe]

What if I feel alienated because I'm a economic liberal?

[@yugen3968]

That's just a Christian party, just look at their previous name & the homophobic disregard for same-sex marriage. No matter what, State & Religion should never mate, ever! America grew because the state separated from the church.

[@carlorazzeto]

@@yugen3968 I take it you're not familiar with the manifold examples of highly successful Christian Democracy parties such as CDU in Germany then?

[@erinschnaedter6172]

I just found this one this last election. I couldn't in good conscience vote for either of the two major candidates, so I cast my vote for their candidate (in spite of knowing it wouldn't make a difference in the election outcome).

[@jadenmarker9920]

@@yugen3968 American Solidarity Party is actually a very diverse party including both religious people from Christians to even pagans, and non-religious people. There are also talks underway to revise our platform to be LGBT+ friendly while holding onto family values. There are very few in the American Solidarity Party who are “anti-LGBT” but unfortunately they are a very vocal minority. Christian Democracy is not just for Christians. As someone already pointed out, Christian Democratic Parties have been very successful in not just Germany but many other European and Latin American countries as well and they are very much secular. If anything, ASP is very much for separation of church and state and does not want to impose anything on those who disagree. We in fact are okay with those who disagree and are willing to work with them to where we come to a meaningful compromise.

[@MD--sy4ml]

I was an 88% match for the ASP! Weird cause I said I support gay marriage. I just support people being happy, with our limited time on earth and all that.

[@xp_studios7804]

honestly most ASP members aren't that militant on the issue one way or the other

[@gibby_crusader]

I love the ideas of the American Solidarity Party and the Constitution Party.

[@paisan8766]

As a disgruntled Catholic Democrat who despises Trumpism, supports unions & racial equality, I may join the American Solidarity Party.

[@Lasers666]

I’m a disgruntled former democrat who was a pretty devout Catholic up until just a couple years ago. PSL was the right fit for me. I found my local chapter and joined. If you’re big on unions and racial justice PSL’s worth a look, even if it isn’t ultimately your style.

[@vinnypag]

very informative and unbiased :D

[@derpsterio2917]

i think if given the chance to actually broadcast their platforms, some of these parties could actually rival the 2 giants or at least steal a few 100 thousand votes

[@Jay_Frank]

Wont happen. They don't have the funds. Unfortunately money is a massive decider on elections.

[@pastormarkpowell]

It would be worth a try especially focusing in swing States where ASP could put a wrench in the 2 wheels.

[@redniko]

I've been thinking about this a lot. What would it take to give them the platform for a few months? What could the PSL and Claudia&Karina do if given a CNN sized platform for like 6 months. Man...

[@hunterhewko5350]

PSL recently ran a candidate for NYC mayor that got 2.5% of the vote. Which is very impressive considering that the corporate media suppressed them. Also PSL and P&F are amazing parties, hope to see them get bigger and get power.

[@Jay_Frank]

How is PSL amazing? Free speech unless you're criticize the government/socialisam system. A government system without separation of powers. 1 person at the top and don't you dare question it. I know a certain eastern country with a similar set up......

[@hunterhewko5350]

@@Jay_Frank Wrong. Free speech unless you talk positively about CAPITALISM. The systems which has killed much more than communism and has caused global suffering.

[@Jay_Frank]

@@hunterhewko5350 Yeah which is exactly what I'm saying. That isn't free speech. That's a hypocritical stance. Either you're for complete blanket free speech or you're against free speech all together. As soon as you add exceptions, you're anti free speech. So no, I'm absolutely correct.

[@dn8601]

@@Jay_Frank i do find that kind of sussy myself but it may be misunderstood. It's far more likely that they are talking about misinformation done by big companies in the media and not about a random guy saying he likes capitalism. Communists often talk about how important critique is and in Vietnam it is very common for the citizens to criticize the government in the context of local neighborhood politics. So I'm guessing and hoping that's what they mean by that

[@The_Midnight_Bear]

@@dn8601 Nah, it's against speech that proposes the return of capitalism, after the revolution. So its a pretty blanket ban.

[@TheCamoruneGaming]

Them: Mirror universe libertarians don't exist, they can't hurt you! American Solidarity Party: 2:30

[@hedgeknight3194]

Me, a brazillian, seeing a socialist PSL: Hol' up

[@DavidNunezPNW]

The PSL is an amazing organization that does amazing work for it's local chapters

[@curumu_yt]

Have seen their work during the BLM movement. By their size it was pretty impressive

[@stoutyyyy]

A lot of things are possible with Chinese funding

[@disfordumboo4411]

@@stoutyyyy just wait till you hear the amount of funding the other parties are getting from the apartheid state of israel! you’ll be shaking in your boots considering you care so much about it that you’ve mentioned it in every single reply section i’ve seen you in!

[@stoutyyyy]

@@disfordumboo4411 “apartheid state” lmao. Communism and terrorism going hand in hand as usual.

[@disfordumboo4411]

@@stoutyyyy does anti-israel = pro-hamas now?

[@-landon931]

We made campaign posters for either the Greens or Libertarians in our school and it taught me about third parties

[@EtowahEdits]

I’m registered American Solidarity Party

[@rennoc6478]

I’d vote for the solidarity or the peace and freedom party. Probably not any of the others though.

[@rthonlimbu8134]

Great Knowing TLDR knows The ASP Good Catholic Integralism

[@georgelabe-assimo4365]

Well…integralism is probably one wing of the party.

[@rthonlimbu8134]

@@georgelabe-assimo4365 When you don't realise I made a Video on the ASP and realising the Majority of Online Member's are Catholic integralists

[@stoutyyyy]

Fuck Catholic integralism, just a reskin of clerical fascist Francoism. Not interested.

[@gregorysouthworth783]

I would like to see additional parties outside the duopoly that have real power potential. Some of these parties have bits and pieces I like, but I am probably closer to the Peace & Freedom Party than any. Getting ballot access in some states is a herculean effort. We need changes in the system including open primaries regardless of party, rank choice voting and multi-member districts for the Congress and state legislatures. In the short term, the usual suspects (Rs and Ds), would win often, but over time other parties might have a chance. These reforms also dent the power of big money to influence a winner-take-all system.

[@starman1144]

PSL: We support free speech... ... but we will silence everyone that goes against us.

[@mandalorian_guy]

Guarantee that their version of "Hate Speech" includes criticism of their party and the government if they are in control.

[@brianalthen6293]

An ancap fascist lashes out at PSL because he feels threatened by them? *Pikachu face*

[@shibavekreal]

@@brianalthen6293 Lets not forget that they want to merge the Executive and Legislative branch giving whichever party that controls the government a ton of power

[@starman1144]

@@brianalthen6293 Threatened by what??? A fringe party with no real political power??? I'm just saying that they are hypocrites. They say that they are democratic and support free speech but they also say that they will silence everyone that supports capitalism which is basically their opposition.

[@dark_messiah8183]

@@shibavekreal the description given here was less than accurate to describe what PSL wants. They want, essentially, workers councils and governing bodies made up directly of community members, who then elect their higher representatives. It’s more in line with Democratic centralism, and is how countries like Cuba organize their elections. There is a wide range of diversity of thought within a post-capitalist world, but if you see capitalism as antithetical to human dignity and life, it does not make sense to permit its return.

[@UnicornsForSale]

american solidarity party mentioned !

[@rosswebster7877]

Probably Alliance. There's too much partisanism going around these days.

[@dark_messiah8183]

Believing centrism isn’t “partisan” is ridiculous. When you have two right wing by parties like in the US, centrism just means a third right wing party, that everyone hates.

[@tranidite]

@@dark_messiah8183 calling them two parties is stretching it.

[@andreworiez8920]

One thing that is interesting about American Politics is that IF a third party really starts gaining momentum then one of the two major parties will pick up that cause into its own platform and run with it.

[@sneedsfeedseed-formelryflo2685]

Most likely a leftists party. I mean I bet a lot of dems would describe themselves as socialist democrats so it could happen. I could see Republicans splitting, some already label themselves never trump Republicans and similarly pro trump Republicans call them rino's (republican in name only).

[@broken1persona]

The minute you give up local authority to federal centralization is the minute you became a statistic in a election campaign.

[@Jay_Frank]

You're already a statistic in an election. Unless you live in a swing state, your vote doesn't really matter lol

[@broken1persona]

@@Jay_Frank Yeah, but the point is you could be worth more than just a statistic if you stopped depending on politicians to find solutions to problems they have no intention of solving. Solve issues locally, within the community, that way government can't screw you, and you aren't beholden to them for the scraps from whatever federal agency they decided to give your taxes to. Steal their purpose and you steal their power.

[@josephrion3514]

That peace party sounded great. In general i'd loved to see a lot of these smaller parties get representatives at the high level even if it's only one or two members. Maybe the house of representatives should be allocated not to states like senators but to the entire country by population. And proportional everything. All though that would be a massive voting list so I don't think you could do the voting the same way like you do for president where only one gets in.

[@kevincronk7981]

I think the house being a single proportional vote would be great, although personally I'd rather see more independents in congress than members of 3rd parties. With the voting system how it is now, if a 3rd party becomes successful it'll over time just kick out one of the current 2 big parties and eventually end up with nothing really different.

[@tylerhawley2106]

The issue with changing the House to that is that the representatives would no longer be representing a given state, state representation being a key aspect to all federal elections. And personally, one thing I have against a generalized proportional vote, even on a state level, is that you lose the local connection that representatives have with their districts.

[@vexilloman]

I hope the day will come, when people in America start voting for other parties and stop voting for Democrats and Republicans. Two party system is dystopia

[@paulcruz168]

Alliance and Solidarity both seem pretty good.