America & World Order: A Conversation with Bret Stephens (Episode

Sam Harris speaks with Bret Stephens about America’s place in the world. They discuss the waning Pax Americana, American isolationism, Republican fondness for Putin, Tucker Carlson, why America should support Ukraine, the significance of Alexei Navalny, what it would mean to properly hold Putin responsible for his death, nuclear blackmail, valid criticisms of Israel, the war in Gaza, Palestinian public opinion, the need for total military defeat, a two-state solution, the isolation of Israel at the UN and the International Criminal Court of Justice, waning support for the war in the Biden Administration, Hezbollah and war with Iran, Israeli politics and the settlements in the West Bank, charges of “settler colonialism,” antisemitism as a series of double standards, the prospect of a Trump victory in 2024, Biden’s age problem, the crisis at the southern border, U.S. immigration policy, and other topics.
Bret Stephens is an opinion columnist with The New York Times and editor-in-chief of Sapir, a new Jewish quarterly. He has previously served as editor-in-chief of The Jerusalem Post and as foreign affairs columnist for The Wall Street Journal, for which he won the 2013 Pulitzer Prize for commentary. Stephens was raised in Mexico City and studied political philosophy at the University of Chicago and comparative politics at the London School of Economics. In 2022 he was banned for life by the government of Russia from ever visiting that country.
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March 4, 2024
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[@nilocblue]

Very excited to listen to this! I feel like listening to Sam Harris reminds me that there are sane rational people out there.

[@blondiegreeneyes4802]

I'd be in a straight jacket without Sam.

[@ricardoalvarado1109]

🤖

[@twntwrs]

People who "don't care if Hunter has dead children in his basement"?

[@lawrencefrost9063]

He is noble-minded. A rare trait these days.

[@foxyheart517]

Quite simply, I'm interested in the truth, arrived at through logic and reasoning with informed commentary. This is what I value in these podcasts by Sam Harris. Here I find the truth, no matter how complicated, unpopular it may be to some

[@dj_laundry_list]

I always consume the first part of the podcast on KZbin to show the algorithm how engaging it is, then switch to the subscriber feed

[@raminMTL]

You should get paid for putting in so much effort

[@haroldcheeseburger]

I do get paid.

[@mountainair]

Ditto

[@katanabluejay]

this is big brain time!

[@SDRDS96169]

Good idea, but better still is to listen to it twice, here on KZbin and then full episode through his website, that way Chrome or whatever your browser is, also has the algorithm taken care of. 😊❤

[@k1mfor]

It's so sad Sam locked these conversations behind a paywall instead of playing ads like every other podcaster in the world. Doesn't even matter what the price is or whether he offers a "scholarship program", the fact that you need to be a member to listen means so many fewer people ever hear these talks. It's become very fringe - a small "Sam Harris bubble" that only gets heard by the most devoted fans. I guess one upside for him is that he doesn't get challenged the same way anymore because nobody that disagrees with him hears his talks anymore. But it's such a shame to hide good content (presumably, I wouldn't know anymore because I haven't listened to a single podcast after the change) behind a paywall.

[@sirdiealot53]

Email him. He will gift you a free subscription.

[@catbranchman01]

People who are subscribers are free to share full length podcasts. You can also request to be a subscriber without paying and they will give it to you no questions asked. I understand your concern but really your “sadness” is kind of melodramatic. I would hate to listen to this podcast if it was peppered with ads. I think Americans (not presuming you are American) are really used to intrusive ads disrupting a show or podcast. In Britain, ads are generally reviled and we do a good job of making them as non-corny as possible. But American media is still far behind in this regard. I’d hate for Sam to say, “and speaking of bad ideas, it’s a bad idea to go online without a VPN, that’s why I recommend blah blah blah VPN” I’d fucking hate it if he did that. _that_ would make me sad

[@360sblulev]

@@catbranchman01amazon found that having buy now button that took 2 clicks to complete the transaction instead of 1 click made transactions drop by 50%. saying you have to "request" a subscription is already a barrier to entry most consumers of talk radio/podcasts would not tolerate. there are so many more accessible discussions that can be found outside of sams, it cuts any new listeners by a large margin. also, i dont understand what the british ad system has to do with the american video streaming service youtube? also if you dont think the commenter was american, why did you even bring america up? do you think americans talk about brits as much as you do to them you think? sam created a system that instead of trying to get around a surplus of ads in your face, you are faced with a lack of content in your face. less content, less engagement. its really really simple.

[@k1mfor]

@@360sblulev agree 100%. It's not the cost that is the problem, it's the barrier of entry. If you can't just hit play and listen, most people are going to skip it and listen to something else. I used to listen to his talks a lot with a bunch of friends - now none of us has heard a single one of his discussions in years because they're not easy enough to access anymore, so they just don't come up anymore. @catbranchman01 somehow just about every other podcaster manages to fund their work with ads in a non-intrusive way. Why couldn't Sam? Imagine Socrates hid his talks behind closed doors. He'd be lost in history as a nobody.

[@catbranchman01]

​@@360sblulev While he may get more listeners by embedding ads, he clearly doesn’t need to. His business model is working for him. Of course, I doubt anyone would turn their nose up to more engagement, but it doesn’t sound like he’s really hurting on engagement or profitability. The inconvenience/barrier to me isn't significant. Yes, it limits the initial amount of engagement but, if Sam has important content that ought to be shared with the world for free, it will be, one way another: either as a free PSA, or as a subscriber-shared link, or because you asked for a free subscription. The fact that you may not get the content the minute it’s published is to me not a major concern. It’s certainly not a reason to up-end his business model which, as I said before, he’s not motivated to change. “do you think americans talk about brits as much as you do to them you think?” I’m not an America-basher. I should have made the following point in a less inflammatory way: I would _hate_ if Sam’s content was interleaved with ads which, from what I can tell from other podcasts and KZbin channels, are usually quite awful, distracting and in some cases undermine the credibility of the host. Now, ads don’t _have_ to be that way, but as far as I can tell, 99% of the ads I’ve seen where a podcaster or channel host makes segue from their own content to hawk a VPN service - or something like that - are awful. I am paying Sam in part because I don't want his podcast to end up like that.

[@StoryThyme100]

Bret Stephens jumping in to say "Ex-Friends", when Sam is saying he talks to Republicans saddens me. And they wonder why???

[@yog-sothoth37]

He was just clarifying that Sam isn't the only person who has Trump derangement syndrome. As of we didn't already know..

[@deSeriosa]

People can change their mind and friends when their friends no longer align with their beliefs. Why would what someone choose to do with their life makes you sad? Makes 0 sense.

[@lilnug1]

@@deSeriosalol how does that not make sense? You’re telling me no one in your life has ever made a decision that disappointed you or made you sad? Makes 0 sense

[@swimbait1]

Yes. Trump has divided families, spouses, best friends, states, countries. And he’s still not done.

[@theinngu5560]

@@swimbait1 only the people who give over their power to others do that…no one can do that unless the people involved give their permission..if we don’t take responsibility for what we do, and blame everything on others, we are on a downward spiral.

[@engramynd2314]

I come for the intro music. And I leave for the talent.

[@anettahumeniuk1394]

Why do authors treat Navalny so much? He was imperialist and called Ukrainians “khokhly” and even was against the deannexion of the Crimea. Check his “Russian march” in 2011

[@Thisisahandle701]

Because of his exemplary bravery, his ability to be free in his mind while being physically imprisoned, and his role at undermining Putin's dictatorial rule and promoting a more pluralistic Russia probably more than any other single Russian person.

[@IssabekovR]

Small addition to previous comment. Navalny wasn't a career politician. He was a small business owner. People shouldn't compare him to western politicians who often start participating in politics since high-school. Russia doesn't really have that tradition. He is literally an average small business owner who started his political life because of the corrupt Moscow mayor. A local issue. I bet he never expected that his performance in the Moscow mayoral elections would lead to his confrontation with Putin. After those elections, the regime fabricated a criminal case against him but didn't give him prison time. Conviction was enough as it disqualified him from running for any office. After that Navalny realised that seemingly isolated Moscow corruption is a part of the bigger corrupt system. Big shift. He then started a very successful campaign to promote liberal candidates starting from local council elections to Governor elections. That's when the regime fabricated another criminal case against him and sent him to prison. That's when Navalny realised that the regime would destroy him and use him as an example. And that's his final evolution - understanding that his only option is to keep coming back at Putin, without fear and ultimately become a martyr. His return to Russia after poisoning won him a lot of respect even from Putin supporters. And ultimately those Putin supporters saw that Putin is just a thug and a murderer.

[@ferriveiro3101]

I really enjoyed the first podcast with Bret a few months ago and I really enjoyed this one too. I think it just shows that left of centre and right of centre have so much more in common than either do with the extremes of their political side. Lovely conversation, I learned a lot, thank you both so much. 🌷🙏💛💛💛

[@andykidd99]

This was such a great discussion

[@Slammedtothefloor]

Excited to listen to this.

[@RandomNooby]

Liking your work Mr Harris. Thank you...

[@listener523]

What's impressive about Navalny is that he knew he would be arrested if he continued to run. And he did it anyway. That's the sort of leader America needs.

[@yog-sothoth37]

He was as much of a threat to Putin as Vivek is to Biden. And I like Vivek.

[@Thisisahandle701]

That comparrison is like you trying to jam a VHS tape into an XBOX disc drive: forced and broken

[@foxyheart517]

Reading the comments is illustrative of the concerns I have indicated in my prior comment

[@chickenfishhybrid44]

I think these conversations about Ukraine and US US foreign policy that take place among "elites" or the "establishment" almost always seem to disregard or fail to understand just how consequential the last 20 years or so of debacle in the Middle East and US foreign policy in general have soured so many average Americans on "world policing" or the general "global order". I think a lot of people in theory like the idea or can at least understand or sympathize with the "defending democracy" rhetoric, but they feel how its executed in practice almost always fall way short of ideal, if not arguably makes things worse. They certainly also dont easily make the connection between these policy decisions and how they are supposed to help them in their daily life. It's very easy to criticize people as isolationist, Putin stooges, etc. What i think we need to hear more about is reflection on the part of foreign policy hawks, or people who generally support US "global policing" on how they have failed to sell to the American people why this is good for the US and good for them. Not to even mention reflecting on how successful any of it has been in practice in meeting stated goals, if we're lucky enough to have clear goals laid out and explained in the first place of course.

[@rustyosgood5667]

People like Bret Stephens and John McWhorter give a splinter of (much needed) credibility to the NYT....

[@tysongood1860]

Love this! 2 minutes in!

[@marcevan1141]

I wholeheartedly agree with Sam's brutal view of Tucker Carlson. Now, I'd like him to have the courage to confront people like Megyn Kelly and Douglas Murray for bowing to Carlson.

[@SkyGlitchGalaxy]

.... why would it be his job to confront them??

[@marcevan1141]

@SkyGlitchGalaxy Well, I see it like this. I like Sam Harris. I respect his intelligence. I don't always agree with him but I often do and even when I don't, I think he almost always presents his opinion in a thoughtful, nuanced way. At the same time, unfortunately, I think Sam often gets played. He is blinded by many of his personal friendships, and though he eventually catches on (as he did with Dave Rubin and Bret Weinstein and, I think, finally, even Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson) he continues to overestimate certain people. He has stated that Tucker Carlson is a despicable, destructive force in the culture. I agree. But what does it say about Douglas Murray and Megyn Kelly ( two people that Sam has been very charitable to,and in the case of Murray, downright laudatory of) that they can't seem to get enough of this despicable, destructive grifter? I don't believe either Kelly or Murray is as honest in their motives as Sam would like to believe.

[@leowaters2788]

Bowing to Carlson? What are you talking about?

[@briananderson2675]

​@@marcevan1141Douglas Murray I've only ever heard call it as is.megyn Kelly don't know much about.but if that's what you think of Murray then for me anything else you say is probably not worth listening to.

[@marcevan1141]

@leowaters2788 What am I talking about? I'm talking about Megyn Kelly (or,, as I call her, "Careerist Barbie") shrieking into the camera, "Tucker will dominate!!!" I'm talking about Douglas Murray tweeting "I'm going on Tucker Carlson's show tonight just to upset the liberals..."

[@direwolf6234]

math reference: 1 million seconds = 11.5 days .. 1 billion sec = 31.5 years .. 1 trillion sec = 31,500 years ...

[@Logan-el4re]

If Sam doesn’t stop making this teaser fire content I’m going to have to sub

[@Antitotalitarianrevolutionary]

The federal budget is far too much

[@yogesh193001]

Sam needs to bring back Douglas Murray... Who wants that?

[@andrewpayette621]

"The year of Airball." ~Nik Airball

[@sher7450]

I would only like to listen to this podcast and not subscribe for all of the other podcasts. Is that possible?

[@andrewx7806]

I need to weigh in on the bit about people submitting to tyranny. As someone raised in an a very left and sometimes communist sympathizing environment, I know a lot about the rationalizations used to support the Soviets, Castro, Ortega, and the Chinese Communists and similar movements. The communists have a strong moral code when it comes to women's rights, workers rights, family and children rights and oppose the consumer materialistic society of the capitalists. They believe that capitalism undercuts and trivializes men and women relationships and love. This is heavy stuff and carries a lot of weight. Add to that the Marxist analysis of capitalism that predicts its failure, proven using economic and mathematical models which do have some credibility even with capitalist economists. On the other hand, communists believe in the dictatorship of the proletariat. This doesn't mean the entire proletariat, or workers, have a say. It means that the average citizen is not educated enough to make decisions regarding the governance of the state so that is left to a select group, and there you have the acceptance of tyranny. Now, in regard to the present situation in the USA with Trump, you could draw some parallels as Sam's guest does, but I don't think that argument holds up. Trump supporters believe that the system is rigged against them, that the system has been taken over and dominated by these very communist sympathizers and are pushing their ultra-left anti-capitalist agenda down their throats. Notable examples are Bernie Sanders and Alexandra Cortez who Trump supporters see as allowing in all the immigrants who care to come, taking away their guns, turning children into trans-gay genderless eunchs, sending all our jobs out of the country, and bankrupting the country. They see concerted efforts to undermine Israel. Has the left gone wrong, lost its way? I think so and as bad and repulsive as Trump is on a personal level, he has a strong following for a reason, because the left is screwing up and they need to get it right.

[@Brand00d]

You gotta play a video or turn on a camera

[@rollyknevels3570]

Sam and Bret sharpen their swords. 🎉

[@williamflaherty3168]

Why doesnt he talk about love affair between western intellectuals and leftists and Islamists?

[@jaarneal]

Oh, he has in other podcasts. I mean... Sam recently made a short podcast about his criticism of the term "Islamophobia", which he believes is wielded by the left and by Islamists to quash valid criticism of illiberal policies and illiberal culture.

[@winkingfox7125]

Yeah he talks about it a lot

[@everettzarnick2323]

It suprises me to see comments like this considering that very topic being 90% of what Sam Harris is known for.

[@josesoares4079]

western leftist intellectuals don't support the Islamic theocratic absolutist monarchies of the persian gulf, nor armed and backed islamist militias in Syria and Lybia and Afghanistan

[@nicksapp6543]

Great idea letting the sanction money go to Ukraine. Good show.

[@JohnSwihart]

Yes. I have heard that 40% of the Russian population has an outhouse instead of indoor plumbing. Our country, on the other hand, is lost in messaging. Wasting time trying to trigger each other into emotional states where we no longer have the capacity to listen to each other. All this noise comes from the edges and makes us all think we need to pick a side. But we don't have to. We can listen to each other and make our own decisions.

[@memoryhero]

Great message, homie.

[@abstractdaddy1384]

Being "lost in messaging" as you put it, is something that's affecting the majority of countries around the world, not just America. For example, there was massive violence in Myanmar in 2017 that is largely at the feet of Facebook's algorithms promoting and spreading hatred. The spread of misinformation and propaganda is occurring virtually everywhere.

[@JasonBower-ql3cd]

I'm alright if KZbin algorithm redacted a recent post on this channel I did say something Nice about Ukraine 🇺🇸✨🇬🇧✨🇺🇦 ✨ Jason B. Lincoln, Nebraska

[@ricardoalvarado1109]

Hello, I am a human, with human thoughts. Listening to Sam Harris reminds me that there are sane racional people. Suscribe.

[@ricardoalvarado1109]

I'm kidding, he Sux.

[@leowaters2788]

Eyes wide shut. With friends like Bret Stephens who needs enemies?

[@sirdiealot53]

I always know I’m listening to a conservative when my logic center in my brain starts cooking then boiling then erupting. Then I google their wiki page and it always says “conservative” or “worked for Fox News” or “appointee of the trump administration”. They all drink the same krazy kool-aid 😂

[@10010x0x0x01101XX0X1]

@@sirdiealot53 haha i feel the same way about progressives.

[@yog-sothoth37]

"Nukes basically don't really work.." also this guy - "we should not allow to be threatened with nukes". "Putin won't use nukes, because he wants to live", but also this guy - "Putin is a threat to Europe and might attack them" .. Interesting takes, to say the least

[@jblo76]

@@yog-sothoth37he’s just putting his money on Putin never using nukes because he believes Putin has a survival aim. But he can still threaten other countries in Europe without nukes. That’s all he’s saying.

[@Davidbeattiification]

‘The USA is the great democratic power’ says this guy Stephens. Major 2014 study by Princeton shows the average US citizen has ZERO influence on government, only rich elite. That’s an oligarchy.

[@gmatic8230]

If “American Centrism” had a dialogue then this would be the podcast episode.

[@nealkelly9757]

Sam is not a centrist, he is firmly allied with the global Left

[@asianviewer1]

Interesting to listen to, but I didn’t agree with any of his opinions. Interesting how he thinks, what he values and focuses on, what he ignores or is willing to overlook and how he reaches such different conclusions to me.

[@JD..........]

Did these guys not listen to Lex interviewing Tucker? Tucker explicitly said he dislikes Putin and his actions in Ukraine.

[@ctaylor6794]

Sam stopped listening to anything and anyone who expresses views that don't fit neatly in with his own political biases.

[@Itsadamnshame]

@@ctaylor6794That or you just enjoy intellectual dishonesty more than what's true. :)

[@Itsadamnshame]

Well, if Tucker says something then It must be true. :) Also, Lex is a hidden Trumpist. He proudly displayed his photo with Trump's daughter on twatter. As a bulgarian who isn't very fond of tyranny, I can now spot these things. :)

[@gmw3083]

​@@ItsadamnshameThis outlet is based on ID.

[@emetds]

UNWRA was nominated for the Nobel peace prize because of its clandestine support of Oct 7th, rather than someone like Navalny.

[@veganmatry]

Certain Adolf was nominated... in 1939!

[@johnny72273]

Sam glosses over the answer right in the beginning. “He even imprisons his own billionaires”. He has popular support because the people see that and respect it. They like strong guys that bully their bullies

[@abstractdaddy1384]

No, I think we all get it. The republican party is pro-authoritarian and anti-democracy.

[@paulwade1405]

I wish these foreign policy experts would learn how to say Xi Jinping's name. Peter Zeihan does it too. Instead of "Ji" just say the English word "She" and you will be so much closer to getting it right than you are now. It's really not that hard.

[@gmw3083]

It doesn't matter. As far as Sam and his crowd are concerned, Xi and putin are evil dictators presiding over the fall of their nations. The good guys in Ukraine and Israel are forever golden and winning...

[@gmw3083]

Like pronunciation matters in Sam's perpetual lalaland..

[@wizardoflawz]

the supermarkets are fine in Russia. Its not that they have lower quality, basically the same. The problem is their incomes are far lower. So they have many things people cant afford

[@johns.7297]

The guest should have a podcast with John Mearsheimer.

[@foxyheart517]

I can only hope that someone in a position of power understands these issues in the way presented in this podcast. I find this and other podcasts very difficult but necessary to listen to and think think about. I'm reduced to hoping as as I don't see much evidence of rational, reasonable, correct analysis occuring generally in the public. The simplicity of thinking, lack of interest, the inability or unwillingness to take issues seriously is disheartening

[@wadetisthammer3612]

11:19 to 12:23 - Yeah it's so weird some right-wingers are acting like naive liberals of the past.

[@tigertiger1699]

🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@evanpace8599]

I think an honest representation of the republican view of the Russia conflict is not that they love Putin, its that resources can be used here at home more than on a foreign war. There is little to no attempt at all to understand the true countervailing point.

[@abstractdaddy1384]

Problem is that's just a bullshit talking point fed to ignorant republican voters.

[@rockgobbler]

666(k) subscribers. You devil. Great work as always!

[@telestaitao327]

Great to read many based and aware comments in here... it is refreshing, everyday with every word we get closer to Sam having no audience... then he may reflect on his true nature, offer account and make amends. He may begin to honour his soul, other souls and the great spirit we all aspire to and create with...

[@samdg1234]

With your, *"everyday with every word we get closer to Sam having no audience..."* I assume you have some idea that his audience is decreasing? What evidence do you have of that? You and I are still here.

[@telestaitao327]

@@samdg1234 have you read the majority of the comments Sam gets... and I'm not 'here' I've never been a subscriber nor do I need to hear much from him to know if he is still an empty hive~mind automaton...

[@jmc5335]

​@@samdg1234Sam sets the rules. Which means one can make claims without any evidence

[@samdg1234]

@@jmc5335 Examples?

[@jbeck9001]

Interview Obama

[@jonnieinbangkok]

"A guy that afraid of Covid"...sounds like the entire Democrat Party 😂 😂 😂

[@daheikkinen]

I will never stop believing our oceans are moats. We are moated.

[@jraelien5798]

Right? What a silly misunderstanding of a very basic concept.

[@listener523]

It's frankly more insane than that. If we are dominant in the America's and we control the oceans with our navy? That's over half the surface of the planet. American "isolationism" would be considered aggression if any other nation had a similar policy.

[@hnl2sfo]

For people on boats and planes, yes, the oceans are moats. For ICBMs and armed satellites, maybe not so much.

[@listener523]

@@hnl2sfo Ah so national defense would require more ASAT and missile defense right? What's that? You said no? You think getting into other people's fights on the other side of the moat is the way to go?

[@jraelien5798]

@@hnl2sfo You understand that there have ALWAYS been airborne projectiles, right? Moats are just water that make invasion harder. That's it.

[@anuragsinha2013]

There is a meteor about to hit the earth. Has Political commentator, neuroscientist, Podcaster and lifestyle guru Sam Harris been invited in the meeting to discuss his opinions on how to stop the meteor from colliding with the earth and save the planet.

[@glennmitchell9107]

I can't take seriously podcasters who attribute (insert cherry-picked characterization) to all Republicans. People who do that (Sam Harris and others) enter the conversation dishonestly.

[@riverryebluegrass7935]

😎

[@anuragsinha2013]

Of all Western "thought leaders" these are few who come across as the ones bullshiting you. 1) Christine Fair 2) Niall Ferguson 3) Brett Stephens 4) Fiona Hill 5) Anne Marie Slaughter 6) Anne Applebaum 7) Ian Bremmer 8) Peter Zeihan 9) Michael Mcfaul I remember Glenn Greenwald talking about ghouls like Brett Stephens.

[@HugoGlz56]

Question, is there any way in wich the west is willing to concede?

[@foxyheart517]

No

[@yog-sothoth37]

Trump 2024! Cheesy, I know, but you asked and I answered

[@stephenfinn3937]

Where did u get 6 trillion defence budget from last time I checked it was about 800 billion

[@ratonsito2836]

He said 'budget' i.e. he meant total budget.

[@DukeLitoAurelius]

I love how nobody can define what victory for Ukraine looks like. Does it mean that Ukraine will eject Russia from all occupied territories including Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk, Mykolayiv, and Zaporizhzhya Oblasts? Does it also mean Ukraine will eject Russia from Crimea? Does it also mean that Ukraine will win a war of attrition? In other words, Ukraine will outnumber Russian forces by supplying more men of fighting age, produce or obtain more artillery shells, drones, tanks, missiles. When you really dig into these questions you quickly realize how insane our Ukraine policy really is. This will go down as one of the very greatest foreign policy disasters in US history.

[@yog-sothoth37]

It will not. It will go down as a disaster for the Dems. Even worse than Iraq was for the Republicans. After Trump wins in November, USA will pull out of Ukraine and fix the situation so everybody wins to an extent. US will pull a miracle and turn out to be the good cop once again. That's what I would bet on.

[@DominickHide]

It is ignorant to say that nobody can define what victory for Ukraine would look like. Ukranians can, and have been doing so since the start of the war Russia began. In fact, they defined it long before Putin moved on Kiev: Ukraine’s territorial integrity restored in line with the country’s internationally recognized 1991 borders. It is also nonsense to say that they have to outnumber Russian forces - Putin is so reluctant to issue a general call-up that he is trawling prisons for troops. This is not an American issue, it is a free world one. All the USA is doing is providing money and weapons, but it is the Ukranians who are sacrificing blood. In order that Americans do not have to sacrifice further down the road. Luckily, for those of fighting age in the USA and Europe, Ukraine will prevail and Putin will either be strung up like Mussolini or poisoned by his own gangsters.

[@DukeLitoAurelius]

@@DominickHidedo you work for Disney? Because your reply reads like pure fiction. Let’s check back in 6 months and we can review all the oblasts Ukraine liberates. I really wish more people would consider the unintended consequences of highly ideological, religious positions.

[@SignorAde]

Damn, it seems KZbin decided to delete my comment where I linked the 10 demands made by Ukraine for the war to end, which basically amounted to "Russia will cease its aggression against us, leave our country and pay reparations for all the damage they inflicted". Really the most basic demands a country that was attacked in a war of imperialist aggression could make. Weird glitch, almost as if someone didn't want to confront facts that contradict disingenuous notions of Ukraine and the West being "unrealistic" or "unreasonable". Weird indeed.

[@bluestone9857]

@@DukeLitoAurelius hey genius, remember when Ukraine liberated half the territory controlled by russia in 2022? Imagine if we gave them twice the amount of aid

[@SteveJones379]

Yes, it's important to help Ukraine. (18:42) No, spending $60 billion on that is absolutely ridiculous because the crazy $6 trillion budget is tremendously overspending which is exactly why we're $35 trillion in debt. This is the major cause of inflation, and it will cause us to be at war with the world because of our irresponsible overspending. ☮out.

[@ConsciousExpression]

We aren't spending 60 billion. We are giving them equipment that we already have, much of it expired or about to expire.

[@SteveJones379]

@@ConsciousExpression that's not the point he was trying to make. I was addressing his point. But to your point.. then we already spent the money, and to give it away and spend more money on new equipment is in essence the same thing. That's a ridiculous financial debt laden problem to the US taxpayer.

[@ConsciousExpression]

@@SteveJones379 Who says that we're going to spend extra money on new equipment? If things expire, we would probably replace them regardless of whether we give them away to Ukraine or not. We have equipment sitting out in fields unused. Your conclusion that it incurs extra expense is strictly incorrect. You cannot conclude that, you must show that it's true. You can see for yourself that what I am saying is true. Part of the reason we have strategic stockpiles is for the express purpose of giving it to allies, etc. So if you're saying we shouldn't give away any of our stockpiles to Ukraine, you're basically saying they're not worth using this stuff for one of its literal intended purposes.

[@SteveJones379]

@@ConsciousExpressiondefine "expire." If there is no techical expire date, only a perceived expire date, maybe we should continue to use what is not broken in order to save on more debt spending. Obviously the reason we have incurred so much debt is because we spend more than we make...which is the esscence of debt. Be responsible. We cannot afford and sustain giving away only to incur the cost of producing more. Other countries should pay for their need for military protection. Either they produce their own weapons, or they purchase weapons from countries that have excess capability. In this situation, there are more countries in eastern Europe that would benefit from Russia not expanding into Ukraine. Maybe Europe, and or countries in the area that would be heavily affected by this Russian expansion should pool their resources together and "purchase" military equipment from the US taxpayers to reimburse the taxpayers for the investment they have in their military excess equipment.

[@SteveJones379]

@ConsciousExpression... to bring this point to a personal level, if you own a car that is "expiring" because it has 100k miles on it, yes, it's expiring. But it's not expired. You don't need a new car yet, because the one you own is fine... but yes, it's expiring. There is much value in your 100k car, but you need/want to buy a new car. Most people, that are in debt, would sell their expiring car to someone that could benefit. You are able to sell your car because there is plenty of value left in the old car because it's not "expired." You would take the revenue you get from selling your 100k car and roll it into the purchase of the new car. You would still be in debt because the proceeds of the sold car would not cover the cost of the new car. This is common sense. "Sell" your older stuff to purchase new stuff. You dont' GIVE it away! ☮

[@blondiegreeneyes4802]

I made the mistake of listening to Chris Hedges on the topic of Palestine.

[@mustafabarzanji9280]

I know bro. Doesn't he know that there is no such thing as P4L3stine?! And that Jews must settle (with love) all the land from the Nile to the Euphrates?

[@tobiasclausen6273]

Who has ears to hear, eh? The man is about the most brilliant, compassionate, knowledgeable observer I’ve ever heard of. Maybe start with Chomsky…

[@brianmeen2158]

I’ve given up on trying to understand that entire conflict .. I honestly still don’t know what is truth

[@twntwrs]

Because he didn't confirm your brainwashing on the topic?

[@matthewmcclure1364]

This is the least thoughtful person I’ve ever heard Sam interview.. “Let’s set aside ethical issues with the Israeli government and come back to it”. And then never came back to it. “Israel winning the war will be good for palestines” but never defines what winning looks like. “Iran needs a good wack, like in that movie Goodfellas we need to hurt them extra bad to send a message.” “You can’t compare number of deaths to weigh ethical responsibility during a war”. Then goes on to say “Oct 7 was like five or six 9/11’s”.

[@alexmacharia4549]

It is interesting how Bret and presumably Sam know and remember the dissidents from the Soviet Union, Placing Navalny in that group of individuals who showed courage in the face of oppression and violence, But would Bret and Sam know, let alone remember names of hundreds of dissidents in central america who were brutaly murdered and dissappeared.?? Ofcourse not, because in central america the violence and oppression was orchestrated by brutal military dictatorships installed and armed by the US. Actually, the oppression in soviet union client states(which were horrible dungeons) was just a shadow of what was happenning in the US client states. This fact is remote from Bret and Sam's world, In their world, the US acts with moral cosiderations around the world. The principle here is, You only know and remember the crimes of your enemies, The crimes of your government(which are far worse in scale) can't be known(literally, media exists for that reason), therefore can never be remebered.

[@ricardosantos6721]

They are so effing covering their eyes with side blinders that is essentially criminal.

[@yog-sothoth37]

This guy Bret lost credibility in my eyes the moment he said that Putin will attack Europe (EU and NATO) next.. It was just fantasy talk after that

[@Davidbeattiification]

Very well put Alex Macharia

[@telestaitao327]

Yes... the short answer is 'Useful Idiots'

[@Ryan-vb3no]

Harris is about to hit his favorite number

[@samdg1234]

The guy with the comment above, *"everyday with every word we get closer to Sam having no audience... "* seems to think it is going in the opposite direction.

[@Patrick-jx1yo]

I used to really enjoy Sam’s podcasts.

[@bhupindertube]

Bret Stephens is one of the most intelligent people on earth.

[@jraelien5798]

The binary thinking here is painful. No one is embracing Putin. No one is encouraging Isolationism. I don't think this guy even knows what a moat is, because the Atlantic and the Pacific actually ARE moats to the United States.

[@buckchile614]

And moats are eventually overcome. De facto embracing and isolation are still those things. And disintegrating NATO because they don't pay their bills is like removing the Disease monitors in China to save money.

[@amb-yz9ee]

We also don’t really see them as moats, we’ve a large military and all matter of plans to prevent a Pearl Harbor. Stephens is just blood thirsty.

[@luca4870]

a lot of people love putin and isolationism... so you are just wrong why even say this?

[@1971spots]

The idea that we do not have to jump into every possible conflict on the planet is currently presented as isolationism by our neocons/neoliberals. It is a pure binary thinking intentionally enforced to prevent any serious discussion about our foreign policies because in fact doesn't stand any scrutiny.@@luca4870

[@lawrencefrost9063]

I'm not sure where you get your news or information from. I'm sure it's not a bad place. But you should cast a wider net if you haven't noticed this.

[@samdg1234]

At 17:25 Bret Stephens says that, "we should help Ukraine as much as we can." What an ambiguous statement. We could do anything from sending them another rifle to sending them nukes. Be specific or be a talking head. Choose one.

[@DUDEBroHey]

To send "aid" to a country who conscripts its citizens who don't desire to fight is short of murder. Stephens has more interest in having us get into more debt to send weapons than Ukrainians are in "defending" their country... Wars are won with willing soldiers not weapon cache dumps.

[@godisbollocks]

Why on Earth would we send them nukes?

[@samdg1234]

@@godisbollocks Did anyone suggest we should?

[@samdg1234]

@@DUDEBroHey *"Stephens has more interest in having us get into more debt to..."* I think you misrepresent him. I don't believe he wants us to get into debt just to get into debt. He sees the very great danger in letting Putin win this thing. I don't see how the danger in that event can be easily over-emphasized.

[@raminMTL]

@@samdg1234he’s not very bright

[@kh-nw8gq]

You can despise Putin but still think hes right about Nato enlargement and respect legit Russian security interests. You are fighting a strawman

[@venicebeachsportsnetwork6677]

Weird how Sam or his guests ever talk about the oil and gas in eastern ukraine

[@sceliano]

This was... empty. Coming out of interviews with Rory it might be fatigue to challenge poorly constructed points but this is just lazy. In the end I do agree with much of the end goals but delivery, reasoning, rational was... ironic, hypocritical, untrue, naive, misleading. This is someone you actually hope doesn't share your goals.

[@toby9999]

This was excellent, in my opinion. Wish I could listen to the rest. Would love to have heard the discussion on Israel.

[@direwolf6234]

clearly these 2 'pundits' who exist in the top tier 10% of society due to families with money .. great educations .. and powerful connections .. get to pontificate and speak down to those below them about their lives & political choices .. when your parents are rich & successful .. and you attend elite private schools and universities .. what do you really know of the struggles of the bottom 90% .. from their elite perches it's easy to say how things should be and then insult those who disagree .. because they see how the 'system' is tilted to the top 10% .. did not hear anything about why those disaffected are choosing the alternative to the elite ..

[@gmw3083]

They're a couple of bowneds..

[@lesseelye4747]

I have a 14 you son. My vote in November will be heavily weighted not on the cost but who I believe will keep my son from being cannon fodder. Be it in Ukraine, Asian or the Middle East. For me that isn’t the Orange man.

[@occamsblunderbuss7920]

Are you seriously suggesting America first Donald Trump is more likely to get us into a war than these Neo Lib warmongering fucktards? What is wrong with you?

[@twntwrs]

​@@occamsblunderbuss7920long TDS

[@hamzamahmood9565]

There won't be a draft over Ukraine, Asia, or the Middle East under Biden. But there will be a dictatorship here at home, under Trump. Anyone who disregards the democratic values of America so blatantly as was done on January 6th should never be able to hold office in this country!

[@hamzamahmood9565]

There won't be a draft under Biden, but there will be a dictatorship under Donald Trump, if he wins again. The man has shown no regard for the democratic values of this country.

[@DUDEBroHey]

Will it be for the Democratic whip who got the Democratic party to vote for the 2003 Iraq War? Will it be for the man who was VP when Gaddafi was killed?

[@budawang77]

The Republicans really are beyond despicable. The only faint silver lining of a Trump presidency, from an Australian perspective, might be to force us to forge an independent foreign and strategic path as China fills the power vacuum left by America. This is quite a disturbing prospect for most Australians, as we've benefited greatly from Pax Americana and before that Pax Britannica, but ultimately might work out for us. A lot will depend on whether the new hegemon, China, turns out to be relatively benign.

[@EpicLemonMusic]

Joke of a comment. Trump sucks, but just like 2016-2020 you ain't doing shit. Australia will only go further right as well, simply evident. After Trump likely wins 2020, he will either die in power or finish his term with crimes that go un punished. The world will go back to the left after he does a shit job for the second time. If we all survive without nuclear war, Australia will have little to do with anything in the world. Sorry, but you have half the population of California in an area the size of mainland US. Heck even Florida has the same population and can fit into Australia 20 times.

[@brianmeen2158]

Both parties are despicable and this is coming from an American. They are both beyond corrupt and the system needs to be rehauled but it won’t Whoever wins in November - we lose

[@AnglandAlamehnaSwedish]

China will take over you ozzies n don't you forget it

[@telestaitao327]

You sound vaccinated.!? ...are you wearing your mask to protect pregnant Ukrainian men from climate change today?

[@lolizorz]

I read "Bret Weinstein" and got excited for like a full minute until I clicked the video and saw the actual title

[@toby9999]

I got worried for a full minute.

[@EpicLemonMusic]

No thanks, for those of us that pay for the subscription, we don't want our time wasted on someone like Bret Weinstein, the Rory interview was insane already.

[@twntwrs]

​@@EpicLemonMusicyeah, let's keep the echo chamber echoing.

[@EpicLemonMusic]

@@twntwrs How about we get a Virologist that believes the crazy shit Bret does? Oh wait, good luck with that. Sam has already had 3 virologists on...all with radical views on both sides..Bret Weinstein the dude pedaling lies and creating fires that cannot be put out by Sam who is a Neuro scientist with a wide breath of knowledge makes no sense and the podcast name is Making Sense. Sooo..you might wanna go crawl into your hole bud.

[@observerone6727]

The human mind can justify anything. And people think, say, believe, and do the dumbest fucking shit. Why are there any mysteries anymore about random human behavior ?

[@AH-wr1ir]

There is a pandemic of stupidity.

[@gmw3083]

It's spreading from this outlet..

[@AH-wr1ir]

@@gmw3083 no, from religious, right wing fools.

[@AH-wr1ir]

@@gmw3083 far right christian nationalism is the virus.

[@ianelliott8224]

As much as I agree with Brets stand on the Ukraine emotionally, the Elephant in the room is can Russia be defeated on the battlefield not should it in an ideal world. With all the finacial support in the world I doubt Ukraine is capable of completely evicting Russia from pre 2014 territory now they are so well dug in and have no doubt gerrymandered if not ethnically cleansed the populations of the territories they currently occupy. Negotiations need to include long term security guarantees for Ukraine.

[@gmw3083]

Ukraine is finished

[@SkyGlitchGalaxy]

Sam is out of touch in regards to Trump. I don't get a vote, but if I did, I don't know if I would vote for Biden. Biden is for barely controlled massive and illegal immigration, sanctuary cities, DEI, LGBTQ+ etc. Trump can make a good case that he is the moderate

[@foxyheart517]

This is not a vote for Biden or Trump. This is a vote between different foundational principles of America. The visible candidates are, in this sense, irrelevant

[@jaarneal]

The claim regarding illegal immigration is self-evidently false in light of the border deal that Biden proposes (and continues to endorse) "sanctuary cities" isn't a federal or even a state policy, but a local one. Hence "cities". The others aren't really policies, but "movements", especially the latter. Depending on the policy you select that is motivated by the LGBTQ+ movement, you might see majority support in the US for it. Sam himself is very suspicious of the DEI movement, given its reliance these days on identity politics.

[@thunderstruck1078]

Nick is right, as usual.

[@thunkjunk]

I agree we should help push Ukraine over the hump to defeat the Russian invasion. But I don't agree with this 'it is only 1% of GDP' argument. The Republicans are concerned about the fact that we will BORROW MORE MONEY for the 60 billion when we have so much debt already. Maybe if we can cut other things such as DEI programs or not forgive student debt or pay for illegal migrant housing, food and credit cards.

[@AnglandAlamehnaSwedish]

Yes

[@buckchile614]

How about tax cuts for people who don't need it(or pay themselves?) Trickle down, indeed

[@rothtiberiuscain7589]

The GOP coddles the wealthy and enables their tax evasion endeavors. Start there.

[@thunkjunk]

@@buckchile614ABSOLUTELY!

[@yog-sothoth37]

The debt is scary only if you intend to pay it back..

[@polyglot8]

Generally agree with you guys, but I have to point out that Stephens' "There is NO evidence that Putin would stop at Ukraine" is not true. When Putin invaded Georgia to carve out Abkhazia and South Ossetia, he could have easily re-taken all of Georgia, but he stopped and didn't. This has also been pointed out by the eminent historian Stephen Kotkin.

[@blafonovision4342]

If the Russians stop at Ukraine, what does that get them? They still have what, 4 strategic gaps into the Russian heartland unsecured? The Besarabian, Polish, Baltic Littoral, and Finnish gaps?

[@allendesomer]

@polyglot8 That's interesting. If I might ask, what do you make of Putin's views on Poland being a historical enemy whose statehood could be at stake if they are perceived as a threat to Russia? I ask because perhaps western expansion under the guise of Russian security could be a real concern.

[@blafonovision4342]

But he didn’t *need* to take all of Georgia. He just need to control the access way into the Russian heartland. That’s what all those wars are about.

[@yog-sothoth37]

​@@allendesomerPoland is in the EU and there aren't big Russian diasporas in it. Putin will never attack it.. *first*!

[@polyglot8]

I don't worry so much about Poland because they are going through a huge military build up at the moment and there is zero support for Russia there. I would worry more about Latvia and Lithuania with their Russian minorities. Putin could try and foment rebellions from within there like he did in Ukraine ten years ago. Obviously Putin believes all Russian cultural zones should be part of Russia (including Transnistria). But as long as Latvia and Lithuania don't do anything crazy like outright ban the Russian language, I think think even their Russian minorities will prefer to be a part of the West.@@allendesomer

[@blafonovision4342]

Exactly *why* should the USA be the world leader?

[@Gabriel-pt6tq]

Someone has to. If it's not the US it seems.china would take the reins. And that's not a good thing.

[@plgoddard1]

Came here to say, I'm presently among those who no longer desire to hear what Sam Harris has to say. Peace.

[@marcevan1141]

How wonderful for you. You probably like Bret Weinstein.

[@Yossarianhoenikker]

An empty, pointless statement

[@Davidbeattiification]

I’m getting ever nearer to that point @plgoddard1.

[@robin100012001]

This guy is a shill democrat

[@buckchile614]

Thank God there's still democrats in the GOP!

[@yog-sothoth37]

According to Wiki he is *right-of-centre* lol.. Makes me wanna go far right just to put some space between us

[@davidfayfield6594]

We all gonna die !

[@blondiegreeneyes4802]

I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees.

[@Yossarianhoenikker]

I'd rather live on my feet than die on my knees​@@blondiegreeneyes4802

[@yog-sothoth37]

​@@blondiegreeneyes4802does that culminate in voting for Biden (or most likely Michelle Obama) in November?

[@daevu2k6]

Not worth listening to bret Stephens tbh. You should've invited a 3rd non-based person.

[@glennanderson8981]

The republicans have not become fans of autocracy. Have some nuance Sam.... they are arguing the US should have more concern for US than other countries. That can be argued if this is the proper course of action.

[@Laocoon283]

This guy is comically arrogant "well the american people are wrong and it's our job to tell them why" wtf lmao. You guys are not thinking about what motivates these people to come to the conclusions that they do. Stop thinking of it as people are "tacitly supporting putin" and start thinking of it as inflation is through the roof and we keep printing money for foreign wars. They are motivated by negatives not positives. As in if something is negatively effecting them then that thing is going to motivate them more than some possible positive effect in the future. Do you really think people are going to put some complex geopolitical chess game ahead of their own wallet? Your blinded by your own elitism.

[@johnbuckner2828]

Yeah this guy is definitely out of touch with how people actually feel.

[@clouise9722]

But their point is that backing out of the war will lead Putin to attack nato and thus put America in an even greater war which will increase your inflation even more mate

[@buckchile614]

They're actually looking beyond their own noses. Kind of what we expect or want our experts to do. Otherwise knowing that just because our own farts smell so rapturously doesn't mean that all farts do. It is written

[@Laocoon283]

@@buckchile614 Its fine to look past their own noses but the last thing I want our "experts" doing is straw manning half the countries views while telling them how dumb they are and they need to just shut up listen to us cause we know better. What they need to be doing is understanding why people disagree with him instead of just saying well they are wrong because I see a clear advantage in my completely one sided way of thinking. It's so dumb. And btw this guy isn't an "expert" on anything he's just a journalist. His job isn't to tell anyone anything other than the what's happening, not what we should do about it. Thats the exact opposite of what a journalist is supposed to do and that alone should tell you he is not a trustworthy voice. That's part of the problem, that your desire to appeal to authority is so great that you will assign anyone who sounds articulate enough the rank of expert.

[@jaarneal]

​@@Laocoon283 "it as inflation is through the roof and we keep printing money for foreign wars" It isn't, and we aren't. Inflation is at 3%, which is slightly higher than average. The 9% spike a couple years ago had to do with recovery from the pandemic, and countries all over the world suffered similar spikes, at about the same time. Many of these countries weren't involved in any foreign wars at all. The aid we're providing to Ukraine doesn't amount to "printing money", either.

[@clouise9722]

I hope in the future sam talks to someone who is generally a republican in favour of backing out of Ukraine war etc as that would be more informative than playing a guessing game 🙏

[@dezurniprovokator373]

Year 2022 when Sam Harris become Martin Heidegger! Congratulations Sam ! Only your fantastic mind was capable to make that transition!

[@pjcondon466]

Bret calls the wing of the GOP that does not want to be involved with the Ukraine/russia was as evil. He also will say that Ukraine has done us a great service because of the damage they have inflicted on the Russian army. Yes, 700,000 mostly young men dead is the moral position. Negotiations are now viewed as the immoral position. What is happening

[@Thisisahandle701]

I guess the main difference is that Russia is invading Ukrainian territory.

[@bluestone9857]

negotiations in this case is the equivalent of a mob boss saying "an offer you can't refuse" but go ahead and talk about those negotiations are moral

[@pjcondon466]

@@bluestone9857 don’t forget there was a agreed upon negotiation in April 2022. Ukraine backed out because of pressure from the US and UK. That would have given up less land than Russia currently has. Instead hundreds of thousands more will die. All for pride

[@Thisisahandle701]

@@pjcondon466 Don't forget that Putin makes the decision to continue his illegal invasion every day and that this is ultimately the cause of people dying.

[@bluestone9857]

@@pjcondon466 the "negotiation" basically had ukraine become undefendable for any future russian conquests. Basically the offer you can't refuse deal I was talking about.

[@yu1142]

This dude completely lost me when he tried to minimize how much $60 billion of American taxpayer money is by using a movie as metaphor.

[@steven2183]

The propaganda becomes more blatant later in the video...

[@twntwrs]

​@@steven2183and still no push back from Harris.

[@finophile]

I wonder instead how Tucker Carslon isn't charged with treason.

[@jraelien5798]

Seriously? What a truly idiotic statement. Biden has assisted our enemies openly. He insists that our borders allow more enemies into our communities. THAT is treason.

[@AzimuthTao]

Were you dropped on your head as a child? @@jraelien5798

[@sungam69]

666 k followers ???

[@swtwc11]

Where is he getting that half of the Russian military has been destroyed?

[@BradSamuelsPro]

Something happened in the past 5 years but I find Sam Harris to be completely unconvincing these days. I used to listen to him religiously. Wtf

[@jakeherter]

A full skip Sam Harris podcast.

[@thatwasprettyneat]

All you have to do to find out if a leftist or liberal political commentator is partisan is ask him if he thinks America is in better shape today than it was in 2018. I believe Sam would fail that test.

[@yog-sothoth37]

He would try really hard to fail it, but probably won't. He is quite reasonable after all.

[@brian782]

I was not persuaded to support war in Ukraine

[@buckchile614]

I didn't need to be persuaded

[@parrmik]

What a despicable attitude !. To consider it a bargain to squander 500,ooo ukrainian lives to destroy russian military capability.Now he is asking for a negotiated settlement , when he understands that this settlement coulld have been had without the loss of life and the decimation of a country.

[@DrWeird-zw5dc]

I am currently in a position to be ABLE to buy a membership at Sam's website but i DON'T WANT TO, because i applied *TWICE* for the free membership when i *wasn't* in any position to afford and my applications were ignored.... SAM- I'm SALTY

[@helgestrm9670]

Such a tiring start to the conversation I had to cut it short. Its all just moral arguments. Its so surface level. So happy Bret feels morally superior to the other side.. I bet they care just as much as I do :) And I dont agree at all that when politics have a moral element that it creates a better world. Feeling morally superior to other people and throwing around words like evil everywhere breeds more war, not less. Bret is everything I hate about the brainrot of todays leadership. People like him will lead us into a broader conflict, and in the conflict of nuclear weapons I am sorry, but your morals are just not that important to me. The hypocrisy btw in saying that defending ukraine is moral. We have treaties with NATO, there are no defensive treaty with Ukraine. Letting Ukraines youth die to drain Russia is evil in my view. Nuking peace talks to prolong the war. That was evil.

[@akumasdeception]

That’s why I stopped listening to Sam Harris a long time ago. For a guy that’s always advocating objectivity, he sure biased when it comes to Israel and American foreign policy. But it makes sense, Sam is a Neocon through and through.

[@smarsville]

Agree.

[@HugoGlz56]

1 of every 100 dlls that is insane.