What I Really Think About Trump and Media Bias (Episode

In this episode of the podcast, Sam Harris responds to a controversy over a recent podcast appearance.
Released: August 25, 2022
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[@davecunningham579]

I'm starting to get the idea that Sam doesn't like Donald Trump

[@tkenglander6226]

Just a bit. ;-)

[@boogiedahomey]

He doesn't like his inveterate grift and that so many people are okay with it.

[@ngpdreamteam2k4]

@@boogiedahomey lol sams a grifter, and has exposed himself.

[@dava00007]

You are a very perceptive man!

[@katking6820]

@@boogiedahomey another sad case of TDS ……. Orange man bad.

[@garylarcenaire5702]

Being intellectually honest is a lonely endeavor. Count me as a fan of your work.

[@bthomson]

Lonely but well worth it and badly needed!

[@samdg1234]

He is shown himself to be anything but "intellectually honest". *"The fact that I actually misspoke will be very easy to demonstrate because the word I, used really does contradict everything I said in the setup to the clip."* What a bizarre bit of sophistry that is? For who else besides himself would Sam allow this piffle to get a pass. Biden, for example, is shown once or twice to know a thing or two about Hunter's business despite repeated assurance that he knew nothing of his business. Are we to believe the most oft-repeated tale for that reason alone? How bizarre of Sam to spin such tripe. And how blind of you to not be able to see through all 40+ minutes of his attempt at salvaging his reputation.

[@tomnanD3]

Oh, please. Sam, I'm profoundly disappointed. Trump wasn't defending neonazis because...he said so?

[@tomnanD3]

Trump is a buffoon. It's the REPUBLICAN PARTY that we should fear. Look up Project 2025.

[@DS_P8]

For 4 hours while the Capitol was under siege, while cops were being beaten and the attack was being live broadcast around the world, Trump did nothing. Trump didn't contact a single law enforcement agency nor anyone in the Defense Department while he watched the entire thing on TV. Obscuring that reality, pretending that he bumbled his way into a coup, is to obscure the reality of his inaction. Donald Trump failed at his duty to protect and defend America. Donald Trump is a threat to the United States and the world.

[@Sun-Ra9]

Loved it Sam ! Calm and soothing as always !

[@M.Linoge]

"I can only explain it to you. I can't understand it for you."

[@JohnDoe-tt4fm]

It still sounds like Sam is arguing that censoring the laptop story was necessary for the greater good. Should it not be up to each and every one of us to decide for ourselves if a story is true or false? Are the common people not to be trusted with information that could damage the current narrative?

[@JamesN16]

Not that it was good, but understandably not trusted after the similar 2016 election laptop drop.

[@KCBluesJams]

You should tell trump and the new republicans that so they can get rid of their alternative facts and stop spewing 🐮💩

[@Manducket]

Pretty much. Sam hates that Trumps rhetoric damages the institution of voting. Sam also thinks it's totally okay to erode that same trust provided it gets him the results he wants.

[@drunkrtard]

I'm doing other things but with the attention I could give it so far was that the podcast was about people misrepresenting what he says, and it specifically happening in regard to the censorship of the laptop story, on which he is undecided. Now, either I missed something important, or the podcast is sort of about this comment.

[@Antekdzi1]

Sam response proves he clearly thinks the same way and his words weren’t misconstrued. He’s a disgrace who likes to smell his own farts

[@salahaldin447]

Even if trump is more corrupt then Biden still you should let all the available information out and let the people decide who they wanna vote for. Who are media to tell people what they should and shouldn't know.

[@suigeneris2663]

Do YOU have a PhD in NEUROSCIENCE? Since I only have a lowly JD, I’ve decided Mr. Harris shall think for me forthwith. It’s the only way to save the country from certain disaster.

[@raymondgonzales6439]

You are considering the media to be one entity, but its really many many different competing companies and enterprises. Every single news channel on the planet censors stories all the time. Most of the time, people don't care, unless they think that the news story was really important. But even still, if one news station decides it doesn't want to publish something, anyone else can do the job.

[@mohammadtajabadi]

You sound like one who didn't listen to the podcast. He clearly answers your question. You people just keep asking the same thing without actually wanting any answer.

[@nihilistlivesmatter]

@@mohammadtajabadi 1)What question did he ask that was answered 2)If he found the answer unsatisfactory has he now ran out of alloted questions

[@mohammadtajabadi]

@@nihilistlivesmatter The question of "Who are the media to tell people what they should and shouldn't know?"

[@pjflynn]

Thank you for speaking unabashedly about many subjects. You are intelligent and a thinker, a philosopher. It is only normal that so many do not understand you or choose to be offended by a phrase here or there, at their choice. Intelligence is rare, stupidity widespread.

[@hoeraufist]

I think we're putting two things together that should be independent. Let's put trump aside completely for second. What he now have is the FBI refusing to investigate a crime in a timely matter for political reasons, and we have journalists refusing to report on and actively suppressing reporting on that, also for political reasons. This is horrendously unethical, and does nothing but further damage faith in these institutions. And that damaged faith is exactly what got trump elected.

[@christheghostwriter]

Lolololololol no

[@skippystz]

Amen

[@auborduglobe]

@@christheghostwriter lololololol yes. Without a doubt. That's exactly what got trump elected. He says Fake News, and they indeed prove everyday that they are exactly that. That you agree or not with their ideology for "the greater good" is a separate issue.

[@spambone]

What crime are you talking about? There's no crime in not publishing news stories.

[@Skeptique]

It's also what facilitated January 6th. Sam's post-hoc claim that dirty tricks were justified because Trump refused to agree to a peaceful transfer of power is circular and intellectually dishonest. First of all he has been hysterically against Trump for many years, predicting horrors that not only didn't happen but actually became less likely during Trump's administration eg hot war with North Korea or Russia. So all he's left with is January 6th as some kind of proof that Trump had to be stopped and only an moron under a cult-of-personality spell and living in a Fox News/Breitbart echo chamber would disagree. Why would anyone agree to a transfer of power prior to the election when dirty tricks to manipulate or commit fraud were clearly on the table? Clearly, because here is Sam saying point blank that this conspiracy not only happened but that it's possible to justify it. What he's actually doing is justifying Trump's claims of a rigged election.

[@mra4955]

Sam 'the end justifies the means' Harris

[@ryanunknown4181]

lmao!

[@dmitryspivak4586]

Mr. I Only Hear What I Want to A

[@mra4955]

@@dmitryspivak4586 you sound hurt. It's ok , let it out, we here 4 u

[@dmitryspivak4586]

@@mra4955 Sorry I offended you. Good night.

[@thebloocat]

@@mra4955 Dmitry has taken it as his personal mission to defend Sam in every comment. Let him do it.

[@b0ris360]

Notice how he doesn’t mention the podcast’s name (Triggernometry) or the Hosts names. Konstantin and Francis were 100% fair and respectful throughout the podcast. This had nothing to do with anything underhand from the podcasters. This was 100% on Sam himself.

[@jmc5335]

He always has been a rather petty actor has ol' Sam.

[@jedward5155]

The irony of Sam Harris talking about the size of someone else’s ego. He is a small, petty, narcissistic man.

[@manwithoutacountry]

They were fair even in the Q&A afterwards. I'm curious if they had a bigger falling out, or if he just wanted to leave them out of this response. He primarily put this issue on himself and didn't really insinuate that they were underhanded.

[@Presticles1]

@@manwithoutacountry Honestly I think he was doing his best to divert negative attention away from their podcast so that it could be more directed at him. If he had mentioned it all these idiotic Trump cultists would be filling all their spaces with this dumb bullshit.

[@jacoblee5796]

The fact that Sam never mentioned the name or posted a link to it so people had proper context isn't a good look for Sam.

[@Cnhfcsh]

Long time fan here. I have two comments. Yes you’ve built your brand on honesty. And I believe you were totally honest when you were speaking to the trigger people. And I believe you were totally honest when you did your explanation in this podcast, trying to clarify. And that’s what we’re all frightened about - we see that you are honestly for censorship. To say this is unAmerican would be the understatement of the century. In the last paragraph of this podcast you say you wish everybody was in the position that you are in, wherein they cannot be canceled by opposing forces. No you don’t. You don’t wish that. You did not wish it for the New York post.

[@Cnhfcsh]

An additional irony, Sam, as you explain you have gone to great lengths to make certain you cannot be canceled, that you are untouchable. Yet, you spring with relish to cancel The New York Post to sate your TDS. “Censorship for thee - not for me.”

[@randyevermore9323]

@@Cnhfcsh When, and how, did he ever try to "cancel" the NY Post? It's been around for 200 years, so his odds weren't very good.

[@jaysongibson]

You point out a lie in the video, but argue he is honest!

[@Cnhfcsh]

@@jaysongibson let me clarify for you. I am saying that he is being honest when he tells us he’s for censorship. Further I say he’s being honest once again when he tries to clarify his support of censorship. Two incidences of him being honest. When he says he wants everybody to be free from censorship but then he Applauds censorship of the New York post, I do not think he is lying. I think he’s just being thoughtless; accidentally hypocritical. Thanks for your comment.

[@Cnhfcsh]

@@randyevermore9323 Harris went to pains to explain that he was all in on canceling the New York posts Twitter feed to assist in hiding the Biden laptop matter from Americans. Difficult to imagine a more clear-cut case of canceling something.

[@fujifour8010]

Backtracking, reverse justification, and circumlocution. Nothing to see here.

[@marykurdys3288]

Hmmm. My overwhelming critique having listened to both the Triggernometry interview- yes, Mr. Harris, the entire thing- and your explanation is this: Pot, meet Kettle. It’s fascinating to me that as you so condescendingly gouge the log from your neighbor’s eye, you do not recognize the aspen in your own which has given you such an incredible blind spot.

[@marykurdys3288]

Mr Harris, did you see Charlie Crist’s comments following his primary win? “"Those who support the governor should stay with him and vote for him. I don't want your vote. If you have that hate in your heart - keep it. I want the vote of the people of Florida who care about our state. Good Democrats, good independents, good Republicans - unify with this ticket," he declared during a press gaggle Wednesday.” After insulting DeSantis voters he then sanctimoniously claims this mantle of “love.” Do you see the dichotomy? Can you, for a moment, entertain the idea that this is what your audience took from this episode? This is what I take from your comments. You appear to have a myopic view of Trump voters: your impression seems to be that they must be cultists, that they couldn’t POSSIBLY be thinking people. Ask yourself this after reading the comments above from your audience who claim to predate this incident, if they are so lacking in independent thought, why are/were they a part of MY audience? Why are they watching Triggernometry?

[@ym5891]

Sam Harris is a fascist that thinks he is smarter and better than you. He actually thinks an excuse like 'i misspoke' will convince you. Because he is smart, and you are not. Or something.

[@Kraterlandschaft]

what does this even mean

[@motorhead48067]

What do you think is the “aspen” in Harris’s eye and what is he not seeing as a result of the blind spot it has created?

[@m74d3]

@@Kraterlandschaft the person who knows least of all what it means is Mary

[@erine.5680]

I'm genuinely trusting Sams intentions, sometimes I agree with him sometimes I don't but I never got the sense of him being mischievous

[@simonsharp3319]

its not that he's 'mischievous', its that he's so convinced Trump is the anti-christ that he's chosen it as his hill to die on - in that he is willing to have a president with links to someone who has dead children in their basement over Trump. And that behind all his calm sounding reasoning he is something of an ideologue and authoritarian.

[@erine.5680]

@@simonsharp3319 well he said that he didn't even think trump is some kind of Hitler president ,let alone the antichrist and that he even agrees with some of his policies, I've heard the video from start to end. He is convinced that trump is very destructive and then he proceeded to explain that he misspoke about the laptop case and that he could argue for both sides. The part with Twitter shows that he is against authoritarianism and he prefers companies to do as they please without government interference from any side.

[@dm3199]

@@erine.5680 yeah, but what he says is not the exactly what he does, he petitioned Twitter to ban Donald Trump even though other extremists who were responsible for murder and terrorism had their Twitter accounts, he didn't petition to ban them. His recent tweet before he deleted himself says it all he is not for free speech that is contradicting his point of view. He basically declares himself to be the judge of what is true and what is false he is insane.

[@erine.5680]

@@dm3199 on my comment you will see that I mentioned that I do disagree with Sam sometimes and this is one of the times I completely disagree with him

[@twrecked7838]

@@erine.5680 lol so clearly brainwashed

[@glyndavies6713]

Thank you Sam, I appreciate your efforts.

[@lisaratley4858]

You are one of the few voices that continues to give me hope for our country. I’m your audience and I love how you think…. It’s logical while remaking empathetic. Never stop

[@XJRSuper]

Interesting he doesn’t acknowledge the name of the podcast or the hosts at any point.

[@vagabondsteve]

I totally agree. It makes him seem bitter towards them. Like they are to blame for his folly.

[@miketomlin6040]

@@vagabondsteve Well, talking to two young UK Comedians may not have been all that sensible, they were out of their comfort zone/s.

[@JohnGrove310]

As much as i love Sam Harris more than any other intellectual, you do have a real fair point.

[@miketomlin6040]

@@vagabondsteve Folly? Sam stated the obvious, although he did get his words a little jumbled. Which might be because he has this habit of calling the Democrats, a solid centre right party, the Left.

[@jordanthomas4379]

@@vagabondsteve 100% correct, I do think Sam probably blames Constantine and Francis in some way for this controversy, even though they were doing nothing differently from how they typically run an interview.

[@thanosandnobill3789]

As a former fan and supporter but definitely not a hater, I highly suggest you to relax for a while and self-reflect on your morality, reasoning and priorities.

[@BreakOutOfTheAlgorithm]

💯👍

[@bradbarnes1839]

His entire worldview is highly toxic. He is high on his own self-righteousness and (very falsely) presumed moral and intellectual superiority.

[@kylerclarke2689]

I love the lucidity and precision with which you describe and denigrate Trump. It's refreshing. It really is hard to imagine a less virtuous person.

[@vivaldesque]

I actually understood what you were trying to say during that fateful podcast, yet at the same time, I was a bit surprised at how sloppily you were expressing yourself compared to your usual articulate precision. So, I’m glad to have happened upon this explanatory podcast. It just goes to show that even the best of us can be slightly off on a particular day and misspeak just enough to cause confusion. Overall, I very much appreciate the quality of your content as well as the beautiful precision by which you’re able to express your point of view. Given the general fatuousness of much of the discourse in mass media, your voice is truly needed! Best wishes!

[@victorygarden556]

There’s no missing context, watched the whole interview. You said you think it’s justified to stop Trump from being elected even if the votes would have result him being elected. You said it was a left wing conspiracy, then bring up an irrelevant republican who is really not anything other than a caricature as far as I’m concerned, and insisted it’s both sides doing this because you can point at one or a handful of people on the other side. You said it’s left wing and immediately contradicted yourself. When you say contradictory things and choose to say people take things out of context you ought to realize your context is entirely jumbled.

[@curledup]

Exaaaaactly my sentiment. Sam, you are insulting everyone of us by not admitting your dishonesty. So sad.

[@DigiDriftZone]

He clearly and repeatedly says in this episode that he does not think it was warranted and he does not think it was justified. Please listen again.

[@Michigntiger08]

@@curledup If you can't understand the difference between the words "warranted" and "justifiable" then you deserve to be insulted.

[@pjjmsn]

His evidence for how bad Trunp is is the level of hyperbole of his descriptions of Trunp. That alone should convince you.

[@ownthelibs]

Trump did not tell the Russian to hack Hillary. He made a joke months after the dnc was hacked about finding Hillary’s deleted emails. Sam purposely conflates the two email scandals and ignores the obvious joke

[@jmacvoy2484]

lmao oh yeah.

[@thehalloweenheavymetalmusicwar]

He is right, though.

[@RandyAndy7373]

Anytime I listen to Sam I can feel his sincerity, his impartialiality, his love for the truth. These voices are rare nowadays. We should support him, even if we dont agree on every issue🎉🎉🎉 The guy earns much ti much to fall on my knees. Yet I thank him!🎉❤

[@gwenroberts8649]

Sam! Thank you!

[@masewindo3902]

Sam, I listen to the entire podcast. You were not taken "out of context." You spend an entire ten minutes building up on to that very viral point, as the host tried to move on from the subject that you went back to. Just own your bad viral moment. You said something dumb, its fine. But don't gaslight us telling people WE are the ones that are wrong.

[@tripleplay4]

I think what he means by 'out of context' is that he misspoke one key word that was contradictory to the rest of his interview, but you couldn't tell that from the clip. He certainly doesn't claim to be blameless here, but by no means is he 'walking it back' as I see so many suggesting in the comments.

[@DUDEBroHey]

He just added to the context and went on for minutes about the word warranted instead of justified. It's quite wacky. Barely anything would have made the original "out of context" better. He never addressed "dead children in the basement."

[@tcorourke2007]

@@tripleplay4 He's lying. If he had "misspoken" he would have corrected himself in his follow up tweets. He is VERY much back pedaling, attempting to replace "warranted" with the more obfuscatory "justifiable" which is a synonym for "justified" to all but the most pedantic nitpickers... or hard-core fanbois.

[@DigiDriftZone]

@@DUDEBroHey He says "it was not warranted or justified" - have you listened to the episode? Also, the difference between "it was justified/warranted" vs "it could be **justifiable** but I am genuinely undecided on this" is immense. He then explains why he is undecided and that at the time, he is not convinced the people suppressing the story knew that this was a genuine story and if they didn't in fact know, then it is editorial judgement to delay until you can verify the story, something that happens on a daily basis - it does not constitute breaking the law, or subverting democracy and every media source does this on a daily basis. Huge difference huh? He also does address the "dead children in Hunter's basement" - it is irrelevant what Hunter does. Hunter is not Joe and we saw Joe live his life in public for 40+ years so we know what he is like, there are no big corruption scandals with Joe. It isn't "dead children in Joe's basement".

[@DUDEBroHey]

@@DigiDriftZone you manage to type so much yet say so little. He repeatedly called it a coin toss on his show. He chooses his words very carefully as to distinguish between warranted and justifiable. A coin toss means it's ok to leave to a gamble or chance. Is that how censorship should be applied? You clearly don't have children. The father is at least partially responsible for the actions of the son. Biden had a Ukrainian investigator fired. The video is on KZbin. Biden is responsible for the crime bill that would've prosecuted his son over his drug use. We know Biden is "the big guy" and "pedo Pete." They've maintained a close relationship as we can see hunter in high profile meetings with his father. I wouldn't associate with people who do drugs or have sex with hookers or their neice. These things clearly don't bother Biden. Biden was also responsible for getting Democrats to support the war in Iraq. Without his support GB may not have been able to do the invasion. Just days ago USA staff at the embassy in Iraq had to evacuate further showing Biden's incompetence and corruption.

[@shawqiha]

I would have loved to have watched Hitchens debate Sam on whether or not censorship is okay.

[@soulfuzz368]

They would be on the same side. Sam is right about Hitch

[@Brian-gw5hg]

Hitch would be ashamed of Sam. Glad he isn't around to see how far Sam has fallen.

[@Fuckingboredrn]

@@Brian-gw5hg what do you think his biggest disagreement with same would be

[@toddboothbee1361]

Or have him debate Noam Chomsky, who is, at least, still alive.

[@bangarang74]

@@toddboothbee1361 Nah, Trump broke Chomsky also.

[@tammyburke9453]

I love the sound/delivery of Sam's voice ! content. cadence. nuance. all fantastic🎉

[@stubbyhawk1]

Gore away Sam.. it is why I love you. No cow should be sacred, and the fact that you are unafraid to speak truth, regardless of the consequences, is so very very necessary, especially in our current enviroment. As you correctly stated, there just are not that many people who are willing to do that (unfortunately for us all). We need you... keep your head up and keep doing you. As long as you are speaking, there is at least a chance that truth will prevail. Thank you for having the balls you do and for being willing to put it all out there. You are a good man.

[@sarahturgeon8895]

The only people that face any consequences for their opinions are pro trump

[@diatribeeverything]

This video has 5k likes and 5.6k dislikes 🤣. At this point Sam Harris is synonymous with pseudo-intellectualism.

[@TheSaltyAdmiral]

@@diatribeeverything Yeah? And these two devastatingly negative Trump/MAGA episodes have... 78% and 80% likes. You're not making the point you think you're making :) "Republic Of Lies (Episode #225)" kzbin.info/www/bejne/op7Glahsd8SMi7c&ab_channel=SamHarris "An Insurrection of Lies (Episode #230)" kzbin.info/www/bejne/mV7ThYyCnc6nmtU&ab_channel=SamHarris Also it's a well known fact(actual studies on this) that in reality the opinion of something is always a bit more positive than the _rating_ suggest, the reason for this is that people who disagree(are triggered) gets much more motivated to voice their opinion than someone who simply agree. So many people who like a video simply forget to like it, but very few people who disliked it forgets to dislike it. The same stuff is true if you're looking up something on TripAdvisor etc. People who had a nice experience just moves on without thinking about it, but people who get enraged by a negative experience is going to make damn sure the world knows! :)

[@Dasqal]

​@@diatribeeverything Psudeo-intellectualism is when Trumpsters dislike you! 🤓👌

[@nishuee9349]

@@diatribeeverything So the truth is a matter of numbers?

[@dalisllama]

“Here’s why I’m right, and you’re wrong…”

[@User-bl5cw]

Any dispute ever could be reduced to this sentence. It means nothing.

[@jack-ml7br]

Lost all respect for Sam. Freedom of speech is central to a democracy for anyone and everyone

[@Jakiejack]

It's funny because that's almost an argument to censor the laptop story because it could've given Trump a chance to retain power and suppress people's freedom of speech.

[@quininde]

Agreed. And how about accepting election results? Is that central to democracy?

[@imperfectious]

@@quininde Yes. To that effect, the machines need to be 100% transparent and auditable. A recount is not an audit. NB4: I think it's inherently illegitimate for people to be able to grant rights, through voting, that they do not themselves possess. If you can't walk up to me and take my property, then you can't vote for someone else to do it either.

[@SaintKines]

@@imperfectious Trump exhausted all legal challenges to the elections and continues to this day to undermine our elections without so much as proving a single case of fraud through his "elite strike force of lawyers". You can have all the doubts you want about an election but they don't mean anything without some legitimate evidence for everyone else. Everyone else witnessed him lose 60-61 cases, multiple recounts and 2 audits if you count Cyber Ninjas. Anyone who hadn't lost their minds in their loyalty to Trump should've been done with the "stop the steal" nonsense and Trump after he didn't stop once we got to safe harbor. But even if you want to say there was a little room left there somehow then Cyber Ninjas should've sealed the deal for good and in the end it meant no difference which says everything.

[@imperfectious]

@@SaintKines Cool story. The voting machines aren't auditable though. I'm not saying anything about the true outcome of any election, only that no one can audit the voting machines. Claiming to know anything about any outcome is ridiculous.

[@anthonyreed480]

Spending over 5 minutes suggesting you were taken out of context, right off the bat. Sam, tens of thousands of people watched the entire podcast, beginning to end. It wasn't out of context; moreover, it was reinforcing things you'd *already* said before. The bodies in the basement is an analogy you apparently thought so insightful as to be worth repeating. Oh, it's just rhetoric? Like when Trump said he could shoot someone on 5th Ave and still get elected? I'm sure you gave him the benefit of the doubt for bombast there.

[@almostd3ad540]

yep dude is a fking creep

[@randyevermore9323]

"Spending over 5 minutes suggesting you were taken out of context, right off the bat." Actually, he admitted he misspoke when he used the word "warranted." He also admitted that he was "not speaking especially systematically, or well, in that podcast."

[@jaysongibson]

Ben, we know. Thanks

[@leviburnum4009]

@@randyevermore9323 keep carrying that water buddy

[@randyevermore9323]

@@leviburnum4009 Whatever. Just point to one word of what I said that was false or misleading.

[@robjohnston1433]

THIS should be compulsory listening for every voter in the US ... whether Right or Left or Independent.

[@rutessian]

That's almost as disturbing as Sammy's statements on what he'd have accepted Hunter Biden to have done to Trump's second term.

[@TMFDK1294]

How can you simultaneously be worried about institutional trust while cheer leading them being undermined?

[@trystdodge6177]

his entire career has been about eliminating competition in thought. He didn't Destroy the faith with his atheism he consolidated it.

[@rosemaryalles6043]

And *that* is the point.

[@motorhead48067]

@@trystdodge6177 I mean the whole point of reason is to civilly expunge bad ideas.

[@rustyosgood5667]

LOL, you think Twitter is an "institution" ....hahahahahaha

[@buckchile614]

Waiting another October surprise from the right is what got us here in the 1st place.

[@Luke-jm5wr]

You have become religious without realizing it

[@float32]

I can’t comprehend that lack of self awareness that I’m seeing. I would assume someone like Sam would be rationally introspective, at least.

[@ragnarlothbrook8117]

Listening to this a year later. You are my hero Sam.

[@compareandcontrast6629]

I am a religious woke Islamophile, so clearly don't agree with everything you say, but have been following you for many years and believe you are a man of great integrity. Does your ego sometimes come out to play? You bet! Who's doesn't? I know mine does. A lot. But you definitely very often try to be as accurate and truthful as you know how. Admirable!

[@ltmund]

I have the upmost respect for Sam. But I cant agree with him here. All of Trumps wrongs can never be used to negate the actions taken against him. If the answer to Trump is to lie, suppress and conspire to prevent him from being president then democracy is already dead. Trump represented the peoples disillusionment with current politics. Instead of changing, all thats happened is their disillusionment has been verified.

[@Ancor3]

I largely agree with this sentiment but changing politics is not going to convince the core Trump supporters. Trump tapped into disillusionment with politics, yes. But he's also exposed how weak people are to disinformation campaigns.

[@ltmund]

@@Ancor3 Core Trump supporters, as any 'core' supporters, are a phenomenon democracy will never avoid. Disinformation has to be addressed. But as Sam says, there are so many who still believe Trump was calling neo nazis 'good people'. We have to ensure disinformation is addressed equally and fairly otherwise any attempt will be futile. To link the two, the 'core', who will probably never change their minds need to be 'disarmed' of their claims that disinformation is something the other side does. Hopefully then we can go back to ignoring them as insignificant.

[@domsjuk]

"All of Trumps wrongs can never be used to negate the actions taken against him" - I wonder if that perspective isn't already skewed. Of course, an end doesn't justify any means, and that sure is the first problem to tackle, but I feel there were a lot of legitimate and fair means applied to his case, which in the end got ignored and sabotaged for precisely the same mentality, which is that the end of "drying the swamp", hahahaha, disrupting old politics, and laying bare the problems in Washington, or even just letting him Be Trump, legitimizes all the fraught means, i.e. pointless chaos and disgrace that Trump chose. Whatever the problem, Trump is a stupid solution.

[@theculturedjinni]

@@Ancor3 No he exposed how weak the other side is at making convincing arguments, democracy requires that we respect free flow of information and that we believe in the people to decide for themselves.

[@mrood8965]

I think the crux is (or at least the part that makes it hard) is that: if it becomes a strategy to drop something that seems incriminating a week before the election, and it'll have a very real result, even it it later turns out to be false, should you participate in that strategy by reporting on it anyway, or should you report on it anyway for fear of subverting the truth? I thought that was the dilemma here, in which I understand it's a bit 'damned if you do damned if you don't'

[@invino1475]

how do i get out of this and not admit my intellectual dishonesty.

[@motorhead48067]

Do you disagree that it doesn’t make sense to say something is a coin toss and to also say that it is warranted? It doesn’t make sense so why not accept that he misspoke?

[@invino1475]

@@motorhead48067 No. If you are reducing all he said to one part then you're out to defend no matter what. He messed up, he should just hold his hands up and say so and move on, what's destroying his name is his insistence on not just admitting what he said was logically flawed and inconsistent, take it on the chin and move on

[@invino1475]

Mate get used to the fact that even the people you admire the most will fuck up, and you should just try keep your views logically sound rather than follow them off the cliff, I'll happily stand with you

[@sheiladineen9483]

I align in my judgments with Sam Harris. Thank you from Toronto.

[@zbjuan1]

Thank you Sam, your level of clarity and integrity helps me enter a very peaceful and powerful space (flow?). It made me think of an extra dimension for politics that I don’t usually hear in discussions and that I believe you use implicitly: toxic vs healthy. A 2x2 matrix that also uses this polarity would look something like this (examples in each category are mine) Toxic left: Woke, incentives to mediocrity Toxic right: White supremacy, incentives to oppression Healthy Left: Equal Opportunity, evolution Healthy Right: Meritocracy, tradition If something like this is true, then it might be true also that, as a (left vs right) centrist, you are relatively lonely, but as a supporter of Healthy expressions of human behavior, you have a lot of support from both the healthy left and the healthy right. Actually, I think that those who practice the healthy aspects of the right are very open to the healthy aspects of the left and vice versa. The war is not here, the war is at the toxic level tribes. Maybe?

[@paulkerridge6001]

Big brain. No spine to hold it up.

[@ItsameAlex]

I don't agree with his ''any random person is better than trump'' thing, I think his strength and vigour can deter our enemies, and he can't be pushed around, whereas most random people are pushovers.

[@oooyugi]

Your biases are very clear. You seem really quite delusional.

[@albert3671]

Sam can u use images that dont hurt the eyes to look at for the podcast image plzz

[@Voller84]

I wish Sam was clearer on what he _doesn't_ believe is justified. After listening to him for 45 minutes, I still don't know whether he thinks it's ok for government to decide what is and isn't misinformation, e.g. in the realm of public health or politically sensitive information. Is it ok for big tech to pick a side and influence elections of their own volition? Is it ok for big tech to prevent competition from ever having a chance to materialise (remember Parler?) seeing as how Sam seems to think that competition will solve the problem to big tech having such influence. Is it appropriate for a president to declare significant portions of the populace as fascist? Is it ok for a government to decriminalise shoplifting or turn a blind eye to violent mobs setting shops on fire (summer of love) if they are on the "correct side"? Interesting to me also that Sam considers Trump to be a symptom (I agree) and hates him because of that (I disagree). Shouldn't we fix the underlying issues instead of trying to suppress the symptoms? I also find it mindboggling that we live in a time where the likes of Biden and Trump are the only choice that people have. Unless the democrats own up for their mistakes and start regaining the trust of the people, this will not go away. Don't blame Trump for that.

[@simonsharp3319]

I think he made it fairly clear - when it concerns Trump ALL restrictions are off the table. The president of USA could have extremely close links to someone with dead children in their basement and be a comatose plaything of the Chinese government. He would still justify mis-information, undermining of democratic process and suppression of news if it meant Trump not getting in again.

[@DigiDriftZone]

He covers the government misinformation bureau or whatever it’s called in another episode as a colossal mistake. My takeaway from this episode is follow democratic norms, follow the law. If a private company makes editorial judgement you don’t like, well, that’s unfortunate, they are free to destroy their reputation in this way, but the alternative is government intervention, which he is against. Would indeed be interesting to hear what he has to say about this unified alliance of big tech. The recent speech from the president is also after this episode but I saw Sam tweeted that the optics were a gaff for Biden, where Trump would actually want these optics (he even wants military parades right?) - this is a fair comment, but the messaging from Joe was very divisive, a comment on this would be good. He does speak at length about the lunacy of defund the police and BLM and the riots in the episode “Can we pull back from the brink”, it’s my favourite episode, I highly recommend!

[@glidercoach]

No it's not ok and he is delusional. Very disturbing for a so called intellectual.

[@vercingetorixarverni6343]

@@glidercoach delusional is thinking the coup president isn't above criticism

[@OldUncleDan]

@@vercingetorixarverni6343 we live in america brother if a coup was the goal there would have been piles of firearms your lack of coherent thought is concerning

[@nathanchenery1075]

It’s rich to hear Sam talk about other people being driven crazy by politics.

[@FHBStudio]

He's not crazy! You see, he can come up with any reason for anything and so he's reasoned himself into whatever position he's in. The complete opposite of crazy! It's a well-reasoned derangement.

[@buckchile614]

@@FHBStudio By definition, there's no such thing

[@FHBStudio]

@@buckchile614 Yes, that is the point.

[@jeremymason8081]

@@FHBStudio 😂😂😂

[@rustyosgood5667]

What is your definition of "rich"? The context isn't obvious to me...

[@Unbiased321]

@samharris Not a peaceful transition of power? He literally said to his supporters on Jan 6: We're gonna walk down there and make our voices heard but we are going to do it PEACEFULLY! He has all the right in the world to object to the result and demand a recount/further investiagtion. That's well within the rules of a functioning democracy and many officials have done that before him in other elections. Some people have actually WON by doing that.

[@SaintKines]

The term "peaceful transition of power" has more meaning than "did you blatantly start a riot in the capital or not". It means conceding when all of your legal remedies have been exhausted (instead of trying to brute force democracy up until the last day). It means allowing the incoming POTUS access (as opposed to blocking them like Trump did) so they can be prepared on day one. It means keeping the incoming POTUS up to date on security reports (again, which Trump stopped doing). It means personally welcoming the incoming POTUS and the FLOTUS into the Whitehouse with your own FLOTUS, just like Obama did despite hating Trumps guts. Trump had the most embarrassing and shameful transition in anyone alives lifetime.

[@MightyMarven]

@@SaintKines No he didn't. Trump said a bunch of stuff like he always does and did nothing tangible at all to oppose the transition. But, according to Sam Trump had very, very good reason to oppose the transition thanks to a Leftist conspiracy. Also according to Sam the January 6 protesters were justified as well. You may not like it but Sam said it. Also TDS is something you may have in common.

[@SaintKines]

@@MightyMarven I guess we disagree on the meaning of "tangible". I personally think pressuring your DOJ to arrest your political rival during an election, pressuring your DOJ to "just announce election fraud" after they've repeatedly told you its BS, pressuring numerous GOP officials to betray their voters and produce (his words in emails) "fake electors", installing his minion as post master general and attempting to withhold funding to sabotage the US postal service, asking for "11k votes" in GA, pressuring publicly his VP to attempt a constitution crisis, having his "elite strike force of lawyers" go around to all the battleground states and get access to voter information which they later misrepresented and lost custody of, the Cyber Ninjas farce and we'll just leave January 6th out as I assume you don't hold him responsible for anything that day. That all might not be tangible to you but it's one hell of a list to me and I would he pissed at ANY politician for attempting ANY one of these things because of the betrayal it is to our democracy, which is literally the only power we have left as citizens. Once we get dumb enough to let them take away our voting power we will never get it back. Trump made it blatantly clear what his plan was before the election even occured and he showed that brute forcing democracy and shitting on our long held traditions is no problem for him. Anyone that supports him after that is delusional or actively wants the US to crumble.

[@Shaheen767]

He knew they had weapons. He knew they were chanting hang Mike Pence. And then when they violently broke in he said nothing for hours. Him saying do it "peacefully" was nothing but lip service. Don't bullshit us.

[@amorfati4927]

@@SaintKines A lot of that stuff, just like a “concession speech” are not real things but people just kind of think they are because they remember it or something like it happening last time. People should really look into the past presidents and elections to see all those media buzz words really don’t have much of a basis in reality in the history of the US. People are definitely allowed to have feelings on the matter but it definitely hasn’t been the norm like people think it has.

[@joshboston2323]

regardless of your views, what we absolutely always have to do, is give someone a chance to clarify. I see too many comments of people on social media saying: "it's too late Sam" or "you can't make it all better". This is not being charitable. Someone can always change their mind or clear things up. In fact, it's a good thing when people do that. If we, as humans, do not allow for that, the world would be a very shitty place. Also, we have to acknowledge that people arrive at conclusions from very different moral frameworks. A consequentialist will look at things very differently compared to a deontologist. I've seen the respective ethical views in the comment section as well. Let's be open minded please.

[@Z3phlar]

There is no coming back from that. He literally said the corpses of children could have been on Hunters laptop, and getting Trump out was more important than even that. But by all means don't let us stop you from gargling his balls.

[@alternativeavenues7664]

fuck. that. there's no clarification necessary. we used to have laws to deal with degenerates who endanger children either through commission or omission.

[@carolynja5470]

Thank you so much for your intelligent and honest way of talking about so many things that are important andneef to be talked about in an open-minded way. Im a fan

[@jesuschristsuperczar1224]

And Joe Biden isn’t as reprehensible as Trump? Seriously?

[@thanksforbeingausefulidiot9016]

Yes. Seriously.

[@willashland4597]

@@thanksforbeingausefulidiot9016 Dude used Air Force Two to fly his son to China to make business deals, all using our American tax dollars. He also made an explicit quid pro quo to Zelensky to fire Victor Shoken who was investigating his son's dealings in Ukraine, which is worse than what they even accused Trump of doing. In fact may be involved in Ukraine simply because of the Bidens' entanglements with Ukranian businesses. We can't know that because the DOJ refuses to investigate the Bidens' impropriety while round five hundred and eighty seven of the Trump witchhunt is currently underway. Also Joe Biden is a lifelong racist, saying such things as that he didn't want his kids to go to school "in a racial jungle." This is the guy pushing for social justice by appointing an inept VP and a Supreme Court Justice who will not define what a woman is, simply based on their race and gender. Trump never did any such thing. Joe Biden is far worse than Trump, it's not even close.

[@m74d3]

Not even close. Trump refused to commit, over and over again, to a peaceful transfer of power, the very thing on which our democracy is built. That alone makes him totally untouchable and unacceptable in every way. Biden's just comatose, which, as bad as it is, isn't as bad as a sitting president who won't commit to a peaceful transfer of power. Biden could be dead and he'd still be better. If Biden died and they were just propping up his corpse like Weekend at Bernie's, he still wouldn't be worse than a president that refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power. A taxidermied corpse of a cat would be an infinitely better commander in chief than a sitting president who refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power. Literally anything would be. That's why Sam wasn't lying when he said you could choose a random American and they'd be virtually guaranteed to be better than Trump

[@thanksforbeingausefulidiot9016]

@@m74d3 Agree 100%, but don't expect Jesus Christ Super Czar to understand. Fox News has convinced him that Biden is evil and the greatest scandal in American history is to be found in Hunter's laptop (or Hillary's e-mails).

[@okyouknowwhatever]

Biden is way creepier than Trump.

[@fredthemanish]

Sam we all heard the mess on Trigonometry podcast. That was quite embarrassing. They weren't out of context. You either believed what you said or misspoke but the thing you did that was worse was doubling down after you were pushed. You even tried to break it down what you meant and it didn't get better.

[@bradbarnes1839]

He is lying and knows it

[@Granchango]

@@bradbarnes1839 Worse. He's not intentionally lying. He's a full-blown cult member with no principles to keep his brainwashing in check.

[@MrSaxman49]

He actually explains everything in this video. Where he misspeaks and where the misunderstandings are with regards to the word "conspiracy" and that he contradicts himself by saying choosing to ignore the story is a "toss up" for him, as in he could see how both ignoring the story and publishing the story before the election is justifiable. He also says how the clip, specifically, is misleading because it stops as he begins to explain how the interviewer is putting way too much weight on what a conspiracy is. As if any conspiracy is tantamount to high treason or a destruction of democracy.

[@fredthemanish]

@@MrSaxman49 go watch the whole damn podcast like I did and stop defending Sam. He was caught red handed and now crying out of context it was never out of context.

[@bradbarnes1839]

@@Granchango oh i know Sam is deeply religiously brainwashed. And high on his own self righteousness. The lying part is Sam claiming he was taken out of context.

[@roberthutchins9968]

Sam has DTS

[@Hughmungus0909]

Out of all the people in the world, I never expected Sam Harris to lose his mind over TDS

[@DBQ42]

History makes clear where movements like Trumpism lead. It's predictable and terrible. TDS would just be people that know that.

[@archstanton3430]

This is probably too charitable, but I have a theory that he just does it to keep the cancel mob at bay. The only way he could've done that BLM episode is if he was constantly ranting like a mental case about Orange Hitler.

[@DBQ42]

@@archstanton3430 There is no cancel mob it's on your head made up by the media to keep you freaked out. Trumpism is (lower-case f) fascism we can identify the reasons for that and it needs to be called out. If you support Donald Trump stop acting like you're pro democracy you are not.

[@archstanton3430]

@@DBQ42 Wow, sounds like you just drank a whole pitcher of MSNBC Kool-Aid and barfed it into a reply.

[@Hughmungus0909]

@@archstanton3430 Honestly what you described is much much worse than the context of my comment. That would mean he is a complete it and intellectual sell out and coward

[@pjjmsn]

The fact that Soviet-style election meddling was a "coin toss" for you is just as disturbing as it would be if you thought it were completely warrented.

[@kerravon4159]

Absolutely agree.

[@DavidBrown-ts2us]

that's not what he said. Now that we know it wasn't Russian meddling he considers it a coin toss. And at the time when we didn't know it was even more justifiable to not run it.

[@matteframe]

don't you see the possibility, at the time, that the laptop itself was soviet style election meddling? Literally? Russian disinformation is a real thing. Also you didn't seem to miss the entire point of this talk. He didn't think it was warranted. He thought it was justified. Those are totally different standpoints.

[@ym5891]

@@DavidBrown-ts2us That's exactly what he said. Why are you protecting this open fascist? Are you a fascist? Do we need to come for you aswell, David Brown?

[@suigeneris2663]

LEGIT.

[@theculturedjinni]

He who fights with monsters should be careful to not become one. -Friedrich Nietzsche

[@MightyMarven]

The people who hate Trump the most are the most like him in their shadow. -Philosophers on the Internet.

[@nickelback3360]

You’re the top comment. With 17 upvotes. Sam has 100% “moderated” the comments section here and still the top comment is against him.

[@ym5891]

Still can't explain why Trump is a monster, though. In fact Sam defends monsters against Trump. The dude has no morals whatsoever; Proven by the dead kids comment.

[@mrjones422]

@@nickelback3360 Go home NIckelback you're drunk.

[@tripleplay4]

@@nickelback3360 From your lips to the conspiracy crowds' ears.

[@jackarmstrong8991]

You’re one of my favorite people, I’ve learned so much from listening to you. you do have a tribe and I’m in it. It’s just not as big and audacious as the others 😂

[@fix-or8635]

Thank you for making your stance on censorship clear. Fans can continue listening to you. I will not.

[@Hughmungus0909]

Same here. What a shame

[@lu-vly]

What has happened to the left 😢

[@RicardoAGuitar]

@@lu-vly They got hold of the institutions, and discovered that they really, really like power

[@RicardoAGuitar]

@SwallowingTheRabbitWhole No. Sam Harris made it abundantly clear that he supports censorship if it contributes to the defeat of a political candidate he doesn't like. Stop lying about what Sam Harris said. You are defending an unprincipled charlatan.

[@jeremycointin1996]

Here is my biggest problem with what Sam said. Sam said no matter WHAT was found in the lap top ( Even Joe's own possible corruption ) that it wouldn't be worse than Trump. And that is a statement of faith. It's answering before you know all the facts. And Sam is supposed to the the "end of faith" guy.

[@ScottMaclaren]

Can you conceivably imagine somethig on that laptop thats worse?

[@jeremycointin1996]

@@ScottMaclaren Yes and it ended up being true. Joe Biden was the "big guy" getting kickbacks from China. in other words Joe Biden is what they said Trump was ... what they impeached Trump for ... except instead of the money coming from Russia it came from China. And in the case of Joe Biden, it's actually true.

[@TheseusMinor]

@@ScottMaclaren Documents proving Joe & co. planned to and eventually meddles with the election results.

[@ScottMaclaren]

@@TheseusMinor well no point trying to convince you clearly. If the past history of donald and elections has not caused you to question anything

[@TheseusMinor]

@@ScottMaclaren I just questioned your utterance above with my reply, and now I question your intellect - or rather lack thereof..

[@chrisholtsman5028]

I tried, I listened, but no. Sam’s too broken on Trump.

[@Razaiel]

@@Thrawns_Office In the podcast episode that Sam is referring to (kzbin.info/www/bejne/enXUpXmJlLWpmdU) he says that he agrees with a lot of Trump's policies, but he just can't stand the man. I think that one of the problems for liberals is that they need to like the person, respect them even, before they'll get on board. Trump is everything that Sam detests, he's arrogant, narcissistic, thin skinned & says the quiet part out loud. Sam is fine with policies that kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people so long as the person who's espousing them is a finely crafted statesman.

[@dancarter6044]

@@Razaiel Trump is a contemptible person, face it.

[@Razaiel]

@@dancarter6044 Yes, he is. That doesn't diminish from his policies though.

[@dancarter6044]

@@Thrawns_Office If you are okay with Trump refusing to concede an election loss even BEFORE the election, you and your opinions are garbage. No decent politician should do this.

[@SuperGirl-tf2wn]

What do you mean "get on board." The cult of worship that the Trump camp is? If a policy is good in and of itself then that's precisely all it is. The man can still be a piece of garbage worthy of criticism.

[@thinkandquestion5156]

Sam addressed the issue impeccably. Very few people have the ability to put away their biases and take it for what it is. In terms of integrity (as opposed to hypocrisy), I give him a 100.

[@sharonmarx3911]

As only you can. I am so humbled to be able to experience your mind and your honest and clear take on the madness. Thank you

[@garen4841]

Censorship and suppression of facts was "WARRANTED". A very precise word that Sam is trying to walk back. Substituting "justified" or "justifiable" doesn't make it any better. It's clearly anti-democratic.

[@wasneeplus]

Even if it's to protect democracy?

[@phatpat63]

The idea that he isn't so off-his-gourd anti-Trump that he would be happy to see an election outright rigged to get rid of the guy is laughable. It's kind of amazing that him or any of these seals applauding him are even trying to keep up the pretense.

[@tomaszzieba315]

@@wasneeplus how is it possible? Elaborate please

[@ClihtYeastwood]

@@wasneeplus and who chooses that?

[@wasneeplus]

@@tomaszzieba315 well, they turned out to be totally correct about Trump being a danger to democracy, with him refusing to give up power after loosing the election (as he threatened beforehand). Besides, given all the interference in the 2016 election it wasn't at all unreasonable to suspect the Hunter Biden story was Russian misinformation.

[@zaphodbeeblebrox8382]

There is a lack of consistency in Sam's message here. And I'm disappointed how casually he acknowledges how lying can be useful, well simultaneously saying that the truth is essential for democracy. I understand it had no bearing on his decision to vote for biden, or against trump, but that isn't how democracy works.

[@dmitryspivak4586]

Then you misunderstood his message. He's not advocating lying. He's saying that in a grey area where information has not been verified it's an editorial choice whether you cover said information.

[@kanyeezy954]

@@dmitryspivak4586 which is the point of muddying the waters… then u can always do what you want to based on “there’s good people on both sides”

[@elmoblatch9787]

Sam never once advocated lying. It's stunning that you could think that.

[@kanyeezy954]

Let’s keep that area grey so we can do what we want

[@dmitryspivak4586]

@@kanyeezy954 I have literally no idea what you're saying. Care to explain?

[@soumendrapatra2342]

Irrespective of what people say about Sam Harriss. I would always be thankful to Sam for the app " Waking Up". It literally saved me from drowning in the madness called the modern society..... The track " Headless way" by Richard Lang was the best thing that i did in my life.......

[@templeton4955]

Do you mind sharing what its done for you in your life? Im new to the app, only on day 18

[@leewohlfert5462]

11:41 At least he’s not a serial killer.

[@leewohlfert5462]

About Hunter Biden’s laptop…just remember what happened to Hillary when Comey talked about the Weiner emails so close to the 2016 election. I think the FBI wanted to avoid that. Oh, you just said that above it and I thank you for pointing it out.

[@paulb85]

Poor Sam. If only people could understand what you’re saying. Oh…OR…maybe you’re missing it. Noooo, that couldn’t be.

[@notloki3377]

Sam is always right, listen to how calm he is and how many multisyllable words he uses! (seal clap)

[@brianalt3912]

Haha! Right?! And to think the name of his podcast is called “Making Sense.” SMH

[@vercingetorixarverni6343]

^ the language of denial

[@notloki3377]

@@vercingetorixarverni6343 what is the language of denial, and who is denying what?

[@billj4525]

@@notloki3377 No one's always right, but considering his intelligence, he's more likely to be right on most of the things he said here than the majority of people who disagree with him.

[@robertnaylor6119]

If Konstantin would have asked Sam about his censoring or ignoring of Bret Weinstein I think he would have broke Sam's brain permanently.

[@vvggg12]

You expose your lack of analytical abilities comparing Sam’s brain to Bret’s

[@rustyosgood5667]

Bret was in the wrong to not present any scientific data and to give a platform to misinformation. If you want to argue that the CDC has it wrong, you need to bring meaningful data...not conjecture...

[@vvggg12]

@@Prestorizzor Yea not the way I meant it but you just gave away your intelligence level

[@vvggg12]

@@rustyosgood5667 Totally agree

[@koalanectar9382]

@@rustyosgood5667 "Misinformation" is a vague, generic term of sophistry. The scientific method is literally *full* of incorrect hypothesis and as history has shown, incorrect conclusions, which would be considered "misinformation". Which authority exactly provides this definition or assessment? I believe in the scientific legitimacy of the CDC, which is precisely why I know they are capable of being wrong, like any other scientific body. Bret being tarred as some kind of alex jonesian character is completely ridiculous.

[@madguruJ]

Haha someone else’s podcast. I’m a huge fan of triggernomtry and I think it was a great interview, very revealing

[@nishuee9349]

triggernometry

[@Razaiel]

Yup, they gave him all the rope he needed.

[@toby9999]

I used to be a fan. Not longer. They overrated.

[@Razaiel]

@@toby9999 I've been listening to them for over a year, they're ok, but not the best. I used to be a fan of Sam Harris, but stopped listening to him about a year ago. I still check up on his podcast every now though.

[@tcorourke2007]

Lolz, the podcast that shall not be named. I don't want to kick Sam when he's down, but it does seem petty, doesn't it?

[@73Goodfellow]

This level of hatred of an individual is usually reserved for someone that you actually know. 🤷‍♂️

[@marcussandzik5314]

“There’s nothing of real substance to clarify”😮. That’s where you lost me. Ego…. Come on Sam.

[@diatribeeverything]

This video has 5k likes and 5.6k dislikes 🤣. At this point Sam Harris is synonymous with pseudo-intellectualism.

[@robby3467]

We already know what Sam thinks about Trump. Six years of ranting.. how could we not?

[@ostevoostevo8989]

Yes, his TDS is infamous. Boring too.

[@d4mdcykey]

Unless you are suggesting Trump has done nothing in the last six years then your statement is nonsensical, i.e. Trump's compulsive, relentless need for attention while whining about attention is just another of his con games, and then people discuss and comment on those nearly daily demonstrations, this would be called real time observation, not ranting.

[@d4mdcykey]

@Mitch Jacob ~ Incorrect, there was never any love there and that was before he got into politics.

[@dmitryspivak4586]

@@ostevoostevo8989 And yet. Here you are. Listening to it. Talking about it. I guess as long as people are talking about your little chubby idol it's scratching that itch inside your soul.

[@jamesclint2279]

@@d4mdcykey It’s obviously ranting if you’re going against an alleged principled stance. Claiming someone is the worst in history with no evidence. Then using that stance to justify moral crimes quite clearly defines the past as rants. Instead of points of disagreement or arguments.

[@RaquelSantos-hj1mq]

What's wrong with admitting you were wrong? True intellectuals understand that they are not infallible. Just admit you were wrong. You'd gain respect. This doubling down and digging in is just making it worse.

[@rustyosgood5667]

Because he's not wrong. Did you even listen to a word?

[@theinngu5560]

@@rustyosgood5667 that’s opinion

[@railroadtrash09]

@@rustyosgood5667 No, he didn't pull back about anything he said. He actually doubled down about Hunter Biden and his laptop. Sam Harris knows nothing about politics, yet dives in like he knows everything. That's the opposite of what intellectuals do.

[@TenTonNuke]

Wrong about what?

[@railroadtrash09]

@@TenTonNuke He's wrong about supporting the conspiracy to suppress votes for Donald Trump. Honesty doesn't exist on your side either. Evidently, you're happy with that.

[@anthonywatson7676]

You are a very special person Sam. And I do really enjoy your thoughts.

[@mbarker_lng]

If it means anything, I am center-left and love your content even if I don't always agree. I like honest, rationally framed ideas with supporting facts above all. Unfortunately, rationality is a rare commodity in 2022 where opinions are treated as fact and research is 'surfing the web'. I remember in the 90's a well-regarded technologist opined the threat of the internet was "it will create an endless forest of information mediocrity, where the voices of a small number of real experts would be crowded out by masses of self-appointed gurus." Man alive was he being generous in that assessment.

[@ConspiracyNutsMakeMeLOL]

I have always been center right, but maga has made me lean left

[@williamcarr459]

My gods your ‘technologist’ was a visionary. He was zactly correct. The internet is a landfill. Good but bad. Aiyiyi!!

[@fallinginthed33p]

​@@ConspiracyNutsMakeMeLOLIn European politics, that would probably be center or center right.

[@roadrunner9622]

It's still better than what we hhad before the internet: relying on the news media or the smartest guy at the office, to tell us what was true.

[@casey5837]

Even worse with your context. Thanks!

[@vickmackey24]

PART 1 of my point-by-point response to someone I once respected and admired: 3:28 "he literally says that he's not talking about the neo-nazis and other racists. however in my experience if you tell people who want to think the worst of trump about how misleading the clips from that press conference were they are highly disinclined to believe you" There are dozens, probably hundreds, of other examples of false allegations against Trump. Your willingness to correctly point out fake news in this *one* instance does little to demonstrate that you're clear-eyed and fair-minded about Trump. So I hope this wasn't intended as an olive branch of sorts in that vein, because the evidence of your TDS is overwhelming. 4:48 "many people over in trumpestan are now doing that to me again" If only all the hostility towards you could be whittled down to a few misunderstood words. No, Sam. This is about the *gist* of your overall feeling towards Trump -- your cynical, grossly uncharitable interpretation of the man, your hyperbolic false analogies, your inconsistencies & double standards, and your totally warped sense of priority. More below. 7:51 "for instance i've said on several occasions that i think donald trump is a worse person than osama bin laden... it's not meant to be hyperbolic i can defend every word of that statement" This is so demented on so many levels, but okay, let's hear it. 8:32 "i think osama bin laden was a more or less normal human being psychologically. he was just living in the grip of a dangerous and idiotic worldview... but within the framework of his odious beliefs he demonstrated many virtues. he was a man who certainly seemed to be capable of real self-sacrifice and he was committed to ideals beyond his narrow self-interest he was by all accounts personally quite courageous... i don't claim to know that much about him but it wouldn't surprise me at all if he was generally a person of real integrity and generosity and compassion in his dealings with his fellow muslims" Sam, meditate on this for a while. Look at the unbelievable amount of charity you're affording to a terrorist who planned the *deliberate murder* of thousands of innocent civilians. You start by pointing out the man's "courage" and "many virtues", and as though that wasn't complimentary ENOUGH, you figured you'd stretch things further by suggesting that Osama Bin Laden may well have been a very "generous" and "compassionate" person with the people he cares about. Good grief. Now, contrast that with your approach to Trump--a selfish narcissist, but one who's never been convicted of a crime, let alone mass murder. Given the way you explained it, Bin Laden is effectively a victim of his environment--a guy who got "gripped" by a crappy worldview. But with Trump, oh no. No attempt to rationalize his behavior because of his environment, his upbringing, or the "grip" of his dad's teachings. Trump is just inherently deplorable somehow and therefore WORSE than the terrorist. No consideration of the courage it took for Trump to abandon his cushy billionaire lifestyle to enter a political hellscape that would turn his life upside down. No consideration that Trump may have taken a massive personal risk because he actually wanted to HELP his country (and thereby himself). Nope. Inconceivable. Trump has zero redeeming qualities to speak of, while the *TERRORIST* is the "normal" one at heart who's "courageous" with "many virtues." Unreal. Think about the contorted mental gymnastics you're doing to rationalize that a terrorist whose views led to the *mass murder of innocent civilians* is somehow a BETTER, more "virtuous", and "less reprehensible" person than a "selfish narcissist man-child" whose views _never_ deliberately led to a murderous atrocity or any crime at all. This grotesquely tortured logic is the epitome of Trump Derangement Syndrome. 9:30 "trump is without question one of the least honest and most malignantly selfish human beings i have ever come across" As selfish as a terrorist who deliberately orchestrated the mass murder of thousands of innocent civilians? If you can wash away that selfishness on account of his religion and upbringing, why can't that reductionist kind of logic absolve Trump, too? 10:10 "he is a child in a man's body" And to you, being a child in a man's body is, in some respect, WORSE here than someone with the impulses of a violent terrorist? It's astonishing how you're willing to compartmentalize the elements of Bin Laden to find the virtues and potential goodness in him, but you can't muster a single positive or potentially positive thing to say about Trump. 10:16 "he lies as freely as he breathes and just as compulsively" Not all lies are created equal. Most of Trump's lies are relatively inconsequential. Even if you focus on his fraud claims ("lies") that contributed to the J6 riot, it doesn't even remotely hold a candle to Bush's lies about WMDs in Iraq. The actions predicated on *that* lie led to the death and suffering of hundreds of thousands of people, kickstarted a global jihadi movement, and cost this country trillions of dollars. And yet I don't see you expressing the same kind of contempt for Bush as you do with Trump. But hey, I'm sure you have some contorted excuse for believing that Trump's lies are somehow _worse_ than Bush's. 10:29 "unlike bin laden it is patently obvious that trump isn't psychologically normal he really is missing something" It is patently obvious to any clear-thinking, level-headed person that NONE of the personality disorders exhibited by Trump are in any way comparable to the psychological state of a MASS MURDERING TERRORIST like Bin Laden. The fact that you dispute that speaks more about YOUR abnormal psychology than Trump's. 10:50 "you could probably walk a thousand miles in any direction and not meet a less admirable human" jfc. Do you have any idea how many murderers, rapists, and violent criminals there are within a thousand miles of you? And somehow Trump is not more admirable than any of them? Will this be another example of you being "misunderstood" and "taken out of context"? This is demented beyond belief, Sam. 12:01 "i hate what he has done to our politics" You literally said you agree with many (most?) of his politics. Your main problem with him is his character, not his politics. 12:15 "he has done more than anyone to produce that hysteria" Was it Trump who produced that hysteria, or was it the demented, over-the-top reaction by liberals that produced it with their incessant propaganda and faux outrage -- all on a loop, 24/7, across every liberal "news" outlet in the country? TDS is a very real phenomenon, and the liberal media has produced a mass psychosis of it. 12:20 "if you want to see how crazy the left can get just elect trump for a second term in 2024" Only Trump elicits that craziness, eh? Did you find the Left to be cool and collected with Kavanaugh, Rittenhouse, Sandmann, DeSantis, Cruz, et al? Social media, and the mob mentality it produced, became a thing while Obama and the Left were in power. They went crazy when they *lost* that power. Trump just happened to be the first to take it from them in this modern era. I'd fully expect a similar kind of insanity to ensue if they lose it again to *anyone* , not just Trump. 12:56 "what i have to say about trump i wouldn't say about any other republican" Yes, and the fact that you were never as critical of Republicans like Bush or the Cheneys shows how completely misaligned your priorities are. 14:06 "not only don't i denigrate many of their political concerns, i share them" You listed a litany of highly consequential policy positions you agree with Trump on -- things that were part of his agenda and that he actively fought for -- and yet you dwell on relatively inconsequential minutia regarding his character. Those concerns you share with Trump and many Republicans are actively destroying this country and the entire West as we speak. If you were more empathetic, with your priorities in order, you'd focus more on THAT and less on Trump's unpalatable character. War, the border, law & order, inflation, gas prices, etc., may not be issues that affect a relatively insulated multimillionaire like you, but they _strongly_ affect many millions of ordinary citizens who aren't so privileged. 14:18 "my real opposition to trump beyond all the flaws of his character... the thing that makes him truly irredeemable... is that as a sitting president of the united states he would not commit to a peaceful transfer of power" I'm not quick to call someone a liar, but this is a *blatant* lie, Sam. Almost all of your most derogatory comments about Trump *predated* the 2020 election -- that includes the comment about him being more reprehensible than Bin Laden and less desirable than a person picked at random from a dartboard. Your opposition to Trump would've been substantively identical if he had never disputed the outcome of the election. Don't use this as an excuse to rationalize your TDS. And Trump *did* commit to the peaceful transfer of power. He never called for violence, quite the opposite. And the process he was embarking on was a LEGAL one -- a shady & dubious strategy, perhaps, but definitely one with an element of legal precedent that is arguably allowed by the Constitution. If Pence had not certified, the process would've moved to the House and the Supreme Court to settle the legal ambiguity. Disputing election results is not unprecedented. Stacey Abrams never conceded in her Georgia gubernatorial race. Hillary Clinton, to this day, claims Trump was never a legitimate POTUS. Assembling the J6 rally may have been irresponsible, but it certainly wasn't the kind of evil, malicious deal-breaker you're suggesting it was. This is just a naked attempt to rationalize your longstanding, over-the-top contempt for Trump.

[@vickmackey24]

KZbin is preventing me from posting the rest of my reply, and I'm tired of tweaking it to figure out what's causing it to be shadow-banned. So this will have to do I guess. EDIT: I managed to post the other 3 parts as separate threads in the comment section.

[@abstractnonsense3253]

"if you want to see how crazy the left can get just elect trump for a second term in 2024" Just think of how Jordan Peterson was treated by the woke left. It's hard to find a more honourable man than JBP and the woke treated him like a demon. The problem is in the woke left themselves. They've always been FAR LEFT EXTREMISTS.

[@martinm6368]

"many people over in trumpistan are now doing that to me again" it's worth noting that even the clip he referred to didn't originate in Trumpistan. I've followed Alexandros Marinos for well over a year now and I'm pretty sure he hasn't endorsed him. In fact I rarely see him mention Trump at all.

[@martinm6368]

"it doesn't even remotely hold a candle to Bush's lies about WMDs in Iraq" Iirc Sam swallowed the propaganda whole on this one and perceives it not to be a lie, but an honest mistake. For some reason Sam holds US-Institution in incredibly high regard and fully believes the moral narrative they wrap around their nefarious activities. I recommend to read his e-mail exchange with Chomsky, as it illustrates this point.

[@fransboer6484]

Great rebuttal. Thanks.

[@quitebald]

Thank you!

[@ralphtoivonen2071]

In American government or in corporations you don't have to walk far to find the abhorrent person.

[@chimpinabowtie6913]

*in Michael Jordan voice "Stop! Get some help..."

[@cadarnell1]

You already said what you thought. Don’t be a wimp and walk it back.

[@User-bl5cw]

He explicitly states that literally the only thing he retracts is the word "warranted" in favour of "justifiable."

[@richardtyler3498]

@@User-bl5cw point in case. self-absorbed

[@tcorourke2007]

Duh... he already said he's NOT walking it back. Did you even listen?

[@tcorourke2007]

@@User-bl5cw To anyone who isn't a pedant (or Harris fanboi) "justifiable" and "justified" and "warranted" are synonyms.

[@samlehmerarts]

I do want to know what you think, Sam. Thanks for being courageously honest and honestly courageous.

[@anthonyreed480]

19:37 he finally gets to the point. NY Post story being censored was "warranted" I.e. "justified" he says he should've said "justifiable" - embarrassing equivocation. He then congratulates himself for still thinking it was a "coin toss" as though being only half in favour of politically biased censorship is a respectable position.

[@anthonyreed480]

@SwallowingTheRabbitWhole Cope more.

[@almostd3ad540]

@@anthonyreed480 to busy swallowing sams white rabbit

[@lynncarter4964]

@SwallowingTheRabbitWhole You seem to want to suck up this long winded fake explanation of whe he ’really’ said. He was quite clear when he said subverting the democratic process by the left was ok by him as long as Trump couldn’t be President. And now it seems it’s ok with you too. Interesting.

[@anthonyreed480]

@SwallowingTheRabbitWhole TL;DR.

[@motorhead48067]

@@anthonyreed480 Ben Anthony doesn’t have a counter argument so he will act like two small paragraphs is too much for him to read and say retarded things like “cope more” as though it actually constituted an argument.

[@nineteenfrankie]

Unfortunately many people on each side don’t really & truly think before responding. They are actually eager to take things out of context. It’s always the people farthest to each end of the spectrum that make all of the people in the middle miserable.

[@howiefelterup329]

bruh get off sams dick. Its obvious what he meant and no amount of context will change it.

[@nineteenfrankie]

@@howiefelterup329 Triggered. 😆

[@gangadin2873]

Do explain how dead children in Hunter Biden's basement are not more worthy of care than Trump university. Then we will go further and understand how nothing Joe Biden could possibly be worse than Trump.

[@cameronboden]

You already told us what you really think. And as a longtime fan of your work up until the past couple of years, I have to let you know how deeply and profoundly disappointed I am in you. Such a bright and thoughtful mind that’s just turned to total derangement. Sad.

[@rustyosgood5667]

You wouldn't know intellect if it smacked you in your face now would you?

[@tonycatman]

He really is deranged, unfortunately. Trump is most certainly a horrible person. Distasteful and crass. A charlatan, and I can't stand to listen to him speak. He has few redeeming qualities, and I was shocked about his inability to admit defeat at the election. But he isn't *that* bad. The idea that you could walk 1000 miles in any direction and not meet a worse person is ridiculous. Any prison is made up almost entirely of worse people. Every skeleton that could possibly be pulled out of Trump's closet has been investigated : every infidelity, bad joke, private phone call, lie, poor business decision, or poorly phrased sentence. I'm really not sure I would come off as good as Trump if every one of my indiscretions had been publicized. I've done a 'runner' from a restaurant. I've pissed in shop doorways. I still make racist jokes. I've shoplifted, and I've taken quite a range of illegal drugs. And many more worse things. I don't think I'm any worse than the next person though, and if Trump had done these things, they would be public, and those, and the other bad things I've done are worse than the things Trump has done. TDS is real.

[@buckchile614]

He explained perfectly how the TDS/TDD is yours

[@curledup]

@@rustyosgood5667 The way you're bullying former fans who have valid opinions speaks to the new breed of Sam Harris supporter. How can you stomach the guy? He literally bragged about his "Intellectual Honesty" and then goes on to champion selective dishonesty. Come on Rusty! You're better than that.

[@rustyosgood5667]

@@curledup There is no "new breed"...either you get it or you don't. If you don't get him now, you obviously never did in the first place. I love to bully bad ideas. So far, I have yet to "bully" a single "fan". It is not dishonest to withhold information if you are a business and it's not dishonest to withhold substantial claims without equally substantial proof. Sorry but Giuliani is not trustworthy...as much as you may love him.

[@vickymcpherson7985]

Sam how do you think we're doing better today than we were doing under President Trump? I can't think of one thing.

[@muffaloaf]

We heard exactly what you said. I watched the whole thing too. You were very precise!

[@zarfilg]

Sam, you should have just let it be. There is no need for this - your ego would have survived this. At most you should have just left it at "I bumbled through that interview, I was tired and I don't really think that censoring truth should ever be allowed under any circumstances" As it stands your 43 min explanation will be lost on most - as it should be.

[@rustyosgood5667]

LOL at "censoring truth"....

[@zarfilg]

@@rustyosgood5667 You find the concept of censoring truth amusing "Rusty" ? Do you speak for everyone who might have wanted to know about Hunter Biden and whatever involvement Joe Biden might have had in his shenanigan's before casting a vote?

[@rustyosgood5667]

@@zarfilg I find censoring information (that may or may not be known to be truthful) completely reasonable. I further hold zero value in anything Giuliani has to offer and am even less compelled to hold ANY business accountable for withholding anything. I use my real name and real picture so I speak for more people than you do. You speak for noone, coward.

[@zarfilg]

@@rustyosgood5667 I don't need to know your real name. All I need to know is that you default to insults when challenged. Have a wonderful day.

[@TMFDK1294]

I started donating monthly to your podcast during grad school when I really didn’t have the money to even do so but I found your insight and thoughtfulness to be absolutely refreshing. I am similarly glad I have stopped sending money. If you can’t make your mind up on the importance of an open, fair, and honest news, we aren’t on the same side.

[@justinv588]

I feel the exact same way. I was in recovery from drugs and alcohol. I was in a halfway house and supporting Sam bc his honesty and commitment to truth did something vital to my state of mind. I stopped supporting when it was clear that Sam was for or at least agnostic on the lies and authoritarian policies coming from the medical health "experts", in pursuit of a "greater good'. What Sam said in this interview is no different and completely antithetical to what I used to admire about him.

[@chrisrevel2801]

You should ask for a refund

[@themeangene]

Sam Harris is now pure evil. He is literally defending his side rigging elections

[@rustyosgood5667]

You never gave a dime...now did you?

[@bigdick1267]

Lol the screen shot is what I picture goes on in Sam's head anytime he goes on his tds rants.

[@buildcraft997]

Herpa derpa TDS Herpa derpa

[@petersireno]

Grateful for your voice of clarity .

[@jessedameron7985]

All content aside, agree or disagree... I just the most entertaining videos by Sam Harris are when he talks without anyone on the show. This video isn't boring.

[@mbolduc]

It's idiotic

[@Presticles1]

100% agree. I love his opinions and AMA's more than a lot of his podcast episodes.

[@bthomson]

Jesse D - A bit daming with faint praise. Not boring? It's riveting!

[@TheGeofry]

Hey! I just remembered that the fbi got the laptop back in 2019. So the idea that there wasn’t enough time to verify said laptop is irrelevant in my mind

[@dmitryspivak4586]

What has the FBI found on the laptop?

[@spambone]

Yeah, the Trumpists are so out of touch with reality they don't realize that the FBI under the Trump administration had years to investigate and they did not. Because it was a Russian disinformation op, there was nothing to investigate.

[@spambone]

@@dmitryspivak4586 Some pictures of Hunter and some emails he allegedly sent. They couldn't be proved to be real emails, but there's a good chance they were. Just nothing that could be used to get a warrant or bring charges.

[@dmitryspivak4586]

@@spambone - so... several years after the FBI got the laptop it's turned out to be a real laptop... with a big fat nothingburger on it. Yeah, I can see why the Trumpers are losing their heads. Clearly the 81 million who voted for Biden would have changed their votes instantly once they learned that Hunter Biden's laptop contained pictures of Hunter Biden on its hard drive.

[@spambone]

@@dmitryspivak4586 They're under some kind of weird "cult of personality" mesmerism. It's the strangest thing in the world. The guy stole the most sensitive classified materials from the government and the Trumpists are all chattering about how "unfair" it is that the FBI went and collected the stolen materials. It's really a crazy situation here. I expect a lot of extremist violence after the crazies are voted out of the Senate in November.

[@ajs3451]

Sams the BEST… a true thinker

[@archstanton3430]

I love how he keeps explaining this as if we don't get it. We understand your point, Sam. We just think it's deranged. And it's incredibly sad that you've so fully disappeared up your own rectum that you can't see it. To use some of your favorite phrases: you are morally confused, and you've lost the plot.

[@lovefromthesun]

Well worth canceling subscription to this sub and the waking up app. When all logic fails, Sam wrangles up an insane way to push forth. Fair well!

[@fix5072]

Could you point out the logical mistakes in his argumentation?

[@jasonsangwin4006]

@@fix5072 the basis of Sams argument is ad hominem, which is a logical fallacy. He claims Trump to be so terrible .... because reasons. Sam has never provided a specific example, it’s all just because he says it is.

[@Taruby]

@@jasonsangwin4006 Sam was deeply troubled by Trump University. Sam felt if he was in Trump's shoes, he would've apologised and made amends to all the students who were scammed into getting worthless degrees from Trump University. I believe this is the source of Sam's intense dislike for Donald Trump, and why he will assume the worst of him without any critical analysis.

[@fix5072]

@@jasonsangwin4006 Trump has lied in pretty much every press conference he held, which is obvious by just listening ro his bizarre claims. He is like a child, impulsive, angry, etc. He did not consent to give up on his power, even when Biden was democratically elected, and called the election fake. He didn't stop his fans from breaking in the congress. He kept secret documents, which he had no right to do. He thinks foreigners are bad per se, nationalism is an answer, etc. I could go on for 100s of arguments, why Trump is by far the worst president america could have. But all of this is so obvious, that a well informed, intelligent man like Sam doesn't feel the need to explain it in detail.

[@trtinda11]

imagine hating somene so much you will say anything or do anything to ruin them. and now this is him reading from a script.....

[@godisbollocks]

Script? Are you inferring that someone else wrote this spiel for him? Do tell...

[@trystdodge6177]

@@godisbollocks I don't think he means that, possibly. I think he meant even after time to think sam still ends up at the Same spot with the for the same reasons. He probably wrote a script, at least some talking points and researched to bring more validity to this podcast, even than his blind spots aren't admitted, they are covered up by faith.

[@godisbollocks]

@@trystdodge6177 Sam Harris, faith? Lol

[@trystdodge6177]

@@godisbollocks yes sam harris and faith. When Sams reason fails him he looks to the church for guidance, that which cannot be proven is answered by faith. In what world would proof of child murder be on the same level as business corruption? Some how sam is able to rationize nonsense, the answer is a distorted calculus provided and by our scared institutions, the times, wapo, Harvard, Yale, etc, etc, etc. None of which are proven just laundered ideas. What is Sam's faith? Progress. Nothing can get in the way of progress, sam may want to drive the progress bus at 10 mph while woke is driving 110 mph, still its a self evident, self congratulating, systematically nonsensical faith which attacks reality, and is very much unscientific. It's the zeitgeist submit or be run over

[@chrisrayne3274]

The impulse to clarify was probably understandable. The decision to double down and make comparisons to OBL etc, however, mystifies me. Is this further detailing of his persistent and acute TDS supposed to help us forgive his moral relativism?

[@bobbyboywonder12]

Hahaha what a subtle backhanded compliment. We both know Sam would never willingly accept the title of being a moral relativist…after all he wrote a book called the moral landscape detailing explicitly how morality is based in the well being of conscious creatures. Haha. Well done. I enjoyed the comment. Sam’d TDS is quite bad these days.

[@Razaiel]

His TDS was acute 6 years ago, it's chronic now.

[@noprolixity]

@Stevie Wee that he would never accept it does nothing to detract from the factual nature of the observation. He said we should be careful when criticizing even those whom we know to be terrible people. When you refer to a subjective judgement as something you know, you are either an idiot, or you are deploying a novel definition for the word "know." This is just basic philosophy.

[@rustyosgood5667]

TDS? Is this a real thing? It couldn't be that Trump is a real threat to our Democracy? Sam has quadrupled down, ten times, in this context. Trump is the epitome of evil and if anyone doesn't see that, I'd call those people deranged.

[@chrisrayne3274]

@@rustyosgood5667 the fact that you would call Trump "the epitome of evil" is why TDS was first defined as a phenomena years ago. He was an American President who was duly elected and who duly served. He may be a narcissist, he may be a buffoon, he may say some batshit things (and refusing to transition peacefully was unforgivable) but demonising him saying that any of that makes him the epitome of evil and worse than OBL/Hitler etc. is a sign that some of the gears are slipping in the objective assessment engine.

[@bthomson]

You are so brilliant that it actually hurts my brain! The clarity of your thinking is like the gin clear water of Lake Superior in January! I have to Re-listened - not because it is unclear but because the logic is so true, so well defined and so persuasive that again my mind takes time to catch up with all of it!

[@seesidesummerhouse6112]

Always a good sign when it takes 20mins of scene setting before actually playing the offending clip, especially when not a single second of it contains any evidence of that supposed ‘context’ it was divorced from.

[@daleullom9008]

Well Sam this podcast sounds like you're trying to dig yourself out of the hole you dug yourself and jumped in!

[@shamusosullivan5650]

You’re so caught up on T that all other logic diminishes in your support of your own position.

[@tomisaacson2762]

It's always entertaining hearing Sam talk about Trump and this didn't disappoint.

[@marksuper3802]

You are a practitioner of Sophistry.