American A320 has MULTIPLE HYDRAULIC FAILURES | Emergency Return

American A320 from Syracuse to Charlotte was climbing through 10000' when the pilots reported a hydraulic issue and requested to return back to Syracuse.
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[@VASAviation]

Thanks to Pablo for sharing his simulation. More HYDRAULIC ISSUES videos: -- United has HYDRAULIC ISSUE + BLOWN TIRES | Newark Shutdown! kzbin.info/www/bejne/m3qchYimhtF9gKM -- United B757 has HYDRAULIC ISSUES (No Flaps, No Steering) kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqCQiWiafNuUac0 -- Flexjet Phenom 300 has HYDRAULIC FAILURE | Diverts to Atlanta for Longer Runway kzbin.info/www/bejne/iGfNgGOepZd0p5Y -- American B738 w/ DEFLATED TIRES + HYDRAULIC LEAK at Miami! kzbin.info/www/bejne/mWS4oZ6Egquko8k

[@nightflight6877]

Congrats UPS... Now get the heck outta here.

[@Falcon2.39-1]

😂

[@sarge6870]

I got aggravated too! Knew there was an Emergency inbound and kept wanting to thank the UPS Captain for his service...TWICE??? Keep the freq CLEAR!!

[@decentish8546]

Hey at least he didn’t congratulate the emergency pilot on his career and the next step...

[@nightflight6877]

@@sarge6870 yeah, it sucks for it to rain on his parade. But now he gets so much more recognition thanks to VAS!

[@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043]

Congratulations, retiring UPS Captain! Sorry for your troubles, American Captain! And everyone got to go on safely.

[@Boodieman72]

An emergency and a captain retiring in one video.

[@CharlesNullens]

And American 530 expect additional delay vectors due to the emergency equipment currently providing a water arch for UPS2133 😅

[@davidplatt4737]

N8439Z, I fly that plane. Neat to see it on the radar.

[@konradthurston5198]

Super neat dude!

[@davidplatt4737]

@@konradthurston5198 fancy seeing you here

[@pigybak]

that AA pilot was so cool and calm.

[@bd5289]

AA530 - we are gonna add a twist. The airport map you have, well, we changed it. Forgot to tell you until just now.

[@noeldown1952]

"Airplane!" Comes to mind. "That's just what they'll be expecting us to do..."

[@MrRadarrat]

those have been NOTAM closed for months

[@fyrman9092]

the high speeds were removed in the summer to reduce ramp to runway incursions. Maps should have been updated by now. Could be in the mail...

[@thomasbonse]

@@fyrman9092 Specifically onboard UPS2133. 😳😁

[@glenmcgillivray4707]

So we heard some folks swapped maps on the last sudden emergency. We decided to go one better: while you were troubleshooting, we rotated the airport and rearranged the runways, we will get you the new charts in the next 20 minutes or so, once the surveyors out there work out where we left everything!

[@rickyism1576]

Aww man, that UPS Cpt got his retirement attention snatched. What are the odds on that?

[@stevenpayne3707]

He’ll probably hear something from every controller on to the destination since the controllers communicate with each other off radio as they pass aircraft between each other’s airspace.

[@lisanadinebaker5179]

And hopefully water canons on arrival.

[@spacejaga]

Pilot communicating was very professional. Enjoyed listening (idc how creepy it sounds :))

[@Falcon2.39-1]

Only creepy if you say it’s creepy

[@fyrman9092]

I worked at this airport for a number of years at the ARFF. During the winter, there seemed to be a higher incidence of hydraulic failures especially after protracted cold weather.

[@lawrencewestby9229]

The satellite map views still show the 45 degree taxiways off runway 10/28 but the latest FAA map from Jan. 2021 has the new 90 degree configuration.

[@dovahseod]

The Jeppesen map updated 30 Oct 2020 effective 5 Nov 2020 already shows that only 90 degree turns are available for Rwy 10/28. Unless you use Twy M, which is probably not allowed for turnoff.

[@dietermuller6356]

Capatin Washington, best wishes for your future ⭐❤

[@FoolioBeardy]

That logo overlay over the simulation was super slick!

[@Tricia_K]

I noticed that - and it looked great, really professional!

[@billfly2186]

Pros all the way around!!

[@aspryin]

the silence is because of the way SYR frequencies are rotated with the live ATC recordings. sometimes you are listening to approach and sometimes tower.

[@Peter-sn3bq]

The ups FO sounds happy as

[@jakeconger3015]

I was plane spotting this day at KSYR my home airport and I had no clue what happened thank you for this information

[@MrDavid0808]

Hydraulic failures on the A320 are a pain in the ass. Good job from the American crew

[@atubebuff]

Out of curiosity, what's the root cause for multiple hydraulic failures?

[@oscarolie5743]

@@atubebuff Yeah, I want to know that as well...

[@MrDavid0808]

@@atubebuff Well it can be a variety of reasons but airbus takes into place 3 main problems from why you would have hydraulic failure and that is Hydraulic overheat, low pressure, and low level. From the sound of it ,American had a single hydraulic failure and that would usually leave you with slower flaps and possible NWS failure or a need to lower the gear by gravity. But if their problem was a double hydraulic then it’s a lot of work on the pilot because you loss A/P, fly on alternate law and have to go through a checklist summary that can be a bit confusing when you’re in a stressful situation.

[@jonesjones7057]

@@atubebuff Since they did mention multiple hydraulic failures I can provide one scenario. In the Airbus, the green and yellow hydraulic systems have a PTU that will allow the pressure from one side to pressurize the other side (green powers yellow or yellow powers green). This is for when a hydraulic pump fails. However, problems can arise if you lose all fluid on the green or yellow system, and the PTU begins to run, spinning freely (doing nothing in effect) on the side with no fluid. When this happens, the pressurized side can begin to foam up the hydraulic fluid. Too much foam and you will lose the good side. This can take time or it can be pretty quick. Either the ECAM or QRH instructs to turn off the PTU in this situation (don't recall off hand) but it can be too late by the time a crew can get to that phase of the process if it foams up quick enough. I recall some Airbus have a mod to shut off the PTU in the event of a total loss of fluid on one side but I think most dont have it yet or I may be completely wrong about that.

[@atubebuff]

@@jonesjones7057 I just checked a QRH for an A320, and for some reason it doesn't list the 3 system individually but *only* lists them in pairs B+Y, G+B, G+Y. As if they are meant to fail in pairs.

[@leonkernan]

Just for your information, we randomised all the runways after you took off. Good luck!

[@uu2323]

what a professional guys! great job

[@ecclestonsangel]

Hey! This is in my neck of the woods! I live an hour south of Syracuse, but consider Hancock to be my home airport. It's got a better selection of airlines and flights, and is half the price of BGM or ELM or even ITH. I fly Delta's 738's to ATL, then wherever....unless I'm getting off in ATL! Delta's the best! Hartsfield might be the busiest airport in the world, but they're very organized and very efficient. They keep things moving better than any other airport in the country. JFK, ORD and LAX could learn a thing or two from ATL.

[@martintheiss4038]

I agree about KATL. I was there once myself and once they figured out my departure gate their trans terminal trolley was absolutely great and easy to remember for a non-native. Yet, they are now the busiest airport in the world passenger count wise.

[@ecclestonsangel]

@@martintheiss4038 they are, but as I said and you experienced, they're very efficient. And very friendly. It didn't used to be that way 40 years ago. Thankfully things change. ORD has changed too- it's gotten worse! I don't mind connecting through ATL at all. I usually give myself at least an hour layover so I can get to my gate, go to the bathroom, and grab something to eat if I'm hungry. They always assign a super nice minder to me, as well. I'm wheelchair bound so I need help. Delta is always good about making sure I have a minder waiting every step of the way.

[@jayschafer1760]

@@ecclestonsangel For a huge airport, ATL is about as good an efficient as it gets, with the exception that traffic can often back up on the roads leading to the passenger dropoff/pick-up areas at ATL. For a mid-sized airport, I'm partial to TPA.

[@NWA320DRVR]

A quick and easy wag for fuel remaining in time is to drop the last 2 digits of the remaining fuel in pounds (15,300). The result is 153 minutes of fuel remaining. At least that's what I use on the 319/320/321. The 321 is more efficient, but still close enough.

[@scose]

interesting that they seem to have some radio quality issues but the liveATC recording is flawless. Why might this happen?

[@records26]

LiveATC is all collected by volunteers with antennas on the ground. They could have been positioned partway between the aircraft and controller to hear them both clearly, while the distance between aircraft and controller was far enough to cause them interference.

[@workingguy-OU812]

@@records26 Oh wow - I didn't realize that. I always thought LiveATC was fed by public records, and that (for reasons I didn't understand) the airwave recordings were seemingly immediately available to the public. It all makes a little more sense now.

[@starfalls3599]

Yay new video!

[@Speedster___]

Was there no Panpan or mayday call?

[@ChocManus]

Losing Hydrolics is way more scary than losing engines. Imagine if the Hydrolics had been lost further into the flight away from the airport. He couldn't even turn the nose wheel after landing

[@ejstras]

When you lose nose steering you can only control steering by brakes and engine inputs. So you still can steer, but its incredibly unpleasent. If you have no hydraulics whatsoever, then you wont have brakes either. So your only ability to turn would be if you need to go right, increase throttle on left engine and decrease right engine. Or just stop asap and get towed off

[@ejstras]

Then again, if you entirely lose hydraulics, youre pretty much toast if your flight controls are hydraulically actuated. Its incredibly rare for hydraulics to entirely fail though because most commercial aircraft have 2 or more independent hydraulic systems where the primary flight controls would work even if you entirely lost a hydraulic system. The CRJ's that i work on have 3 independent systems, all capable of controling the primary flight controls. But nose wheel steering is only on system 3.

[@aussiebloke609]

I wish the initial report from the aircraft of having a problem wasn't trimmed. It would help with continuity if the first thing we hear wasn't that they're cleared for the approach, without explanation as to why they're returning.

[@VASAviation]

No audio available

[@aussiebloke609]

@@VASAviation Bummer. :-(

[@ChiIeboy]

Memo to Maintenance Personnel: Double-check that hydraulic lines are tightened adequately next time.

[@44R0Ndin]

Hmm, with the incident aircraft being returned to normal service only 48 hours later, it must have been a relatively simple problem like a easily accessible hydraulic hose bursting or it simply having run out of fluid somehow, be interesting to know more about what exactly broke on this aircraft that caused this, be that something on the aircraft itself or a lack of proper maintenance with regards to checking the hydraulic fluid level on each of the mostly independent hydraulic systems of the aircraft.

[@Tricia_K]

Yup - a follow-on would be great!

[@Butter-or2yo]

My grandpa was flying then his flight had a flap problem he was going to Santa Ana but had to divert to lax the flight was AS1220

[@rubenvillanueva8635]

Hola Zaragoza!

[@Speedster___]

The retire captain what destatnation was that to?

[@MSRTA_Productions]

Title: Says A320 Game: Shows A319(S)

[@BODYBUILDERS_AGAINST_FEMINISM]

A common rookie mistake smh

[@kerucutgaming2216]

It is called a SIMULATOR! Nah, I'm just kidding, hahaha.

[@wbball15]

Bien hecho

[@Speedster___]

Why wouldn’t they have new airport maps?

[@cutliss]

Any cause released?

[@dumdumdumbest834]

I live 20mins from Syracuse

[@N2NDF]

I live next to it! I watched it!

[@sweetstevie]

I’m about 1211 miles from Syracuse.......and I do not have the airport in sight.

[@jetalse7974]

@@sweetstevie HA HA HA. I can beat that. Put a 0 on the 1211 miles, that would be close enough for me.

[@Quincebo]

Distance: 3,622.29 mi (5,829.51 km) Someone can beat me?

[@jetalse7974]

@@Quincebo As above, I live over 10,000 miles away.

[@Jet-Pack]

I bet ya they had a dog barking the whole time too. PTU working overtime.

[@tomstravels520]

Seeing as they had no NWS that suggests the green system at least had failed so the PTU would be turned off. The PTU would be only for if the engine driven pump failed

[@tommychan]

it doesn't look like an A320 but more like an A319 to me lol

[@yellowdogadventures]

we have a plane with a multiple hydraulic failure emergency and these guys are chatting up the UPS Capt. on his retirement? GMAFB

[@tomstravels520]

Multiple hydraulic failures. Does that mean more than 1 hydraulic system failed or a single hydraulic system loss caused multiple failures of systems that rely on that systems hydraulic pressure? Given the aircraft is 21 years old the NWS would be powered by the green system. If the green system failed that means the gear would have been manually lowered too

[@midknight1978]

judging by the nature of the failures, im guessing B +Y failures. if G and Y failed he would state fire services or trouble braking since G and Y are responsible for main and alternate braking. he can actuate via accu brake but too risky and may cause tyre burst and probably veer off. therefore, im guessing B + Y hyd failure. could be wrong though.

[@tomstravels520]

@@midknight1978 then they wouldn’t have lost NWS. If this was an enhanced A320 or NEO then possibly as the NWS in them is powered by yellow system but older ones were green so green must have been one or the only one. If they lost blue as well then you’d have no ailerons and no left elevator so you’d have flight control issues too but still have alternate brakes, some spoilers and reverse thrust on number 2

[@midknight1978]

@@tomstravels520 oh.. didnt know it was an old aircraft! my bad.. thanks for clarifying. :D

[@Tricia_K]

...and I didn't understand a word of what you guys just said! Which is my bad, not yours... :) [edit: I got NWS = nose wheel steering, but...😳]

[@tomstravels520]

@@Tricia_K you’d have to understand how the hydraulic system of the aircraft works. Look up “Captain Joe hydraulics” and that might explain a bit better if you want

[@christopherch7307]

👍😎👍

[@N1120A]

Isn't that illustration an A319?

[@Butter-or2yo]

It’s better than nothing

[@milesaharrison]

Why are ATC always so desperate to get a fuel remaining figure? The crew have to now work this number out! Obviously not that it's hard, but with >3hrs remaining, figuring this out and the ensuing back and fourth of conveying it to ATC surely seems like a bit of a waste of time in a 2 pilot operation? If they say 10hrs, are they going to stand down the fire brigade? If they say 10 mins are they going to call the President? There must be 100 runways with an ILS inside of 30 mins of Syracuse. I'm sure one of them will be ok. Also any American A320 pilots can answer this one: Is flying 500nm with 3hrs of fuel on board typical for such a short flight? The weather on the 23rd of October in Charlotte looked absolutely fine, and it's got FOUR runways. Unless the next hop is just a couple of hundred miles, it doesn't seem like enough to tanker. In Europe on such a day, in the A320 I'd probably take route, alternate, reserve and at most an extra 10 mins to a normal destination with just 1 runway. I've found over the last year (due to covid) that I've not held once as every airport is (sadly) dead This would have likely been the TAF they'd seen that morning: KCLT 230749Z 2308/2412 11005KT P6SM FEW070 SCT200 FM231000 VRB02KT P6SM BKN040 TEMPO 2310/2314 6SM BR BKN250 FM231400 07003KT P6SM BKN050 FM231900 15004KT P6SM SCT050 BKN150 FM240200 VRB02KT P6SM FEW090 SCT200= Looks alright to me? Obvious trolling aside, good job well done!

[@martintheiss4038]

to inform the fire crew exactly what the risk is of a fire on the ground and how much fuel would be reported if there was a leak or a similar issue on landing. They also want a count of the live people on the crew and passenger reports for rescue planning. Also, its important to note if appropriate if there are any hazardous or dangerous materials on board for safety planning. "Command" is fully trained to take all of that into consideration.

[@milesaharrison]

@@martintheiss4038 But what would they do differently as result of passing that information? Dangerous material is an entirely different issue and clearly, there is a tangible value in communicating that sort of information in the expectation of a crash. I just can't see what the fire crew would do differently if they only said they had 1T of fuel vs 100T onboard (not an A320 in my hypothetical before someone points that out). Would they bring less water/foam/tenders to the runway? After declaring an emergency, they will turn the entire airport rescue fleet out whilst maintaining the minimum declared fire category to keep the airport open. Otherwise; they'll attend maximally and force the airport to declare 'closed'. That sort of thing would probably only happen in the event of a major accident (eg Asiana SFO crash or similar). I assume Syracuse/Charlotte is a CAT 10 airport (or the US equivalent). Excuse any European differences. I'm ex-RFFS and a current A320 captain if that illuminates my thought process better.

[@kuebbisch]

Regarding tankering: Fuel price difference or a really fast turnaround on a remote stand?

[@tomstravels520]

I think in the US it’s 45 mins for final reserve fuel

[@martintheiss4038]

@@kuebbisch There are times when operators decide say in a situation where a plane is scheduled to return to Lisbon to try to not buy fuel in the Azores due to pricing issues but ordinarily they want to set their tankering policies on the assumption that one would be more than happy to fuel aircraft at any venue they are scheduled to go to for their next segment without fear or thought of stranding.

[@spacejaga]

Boeing engineers at work cause Max's have to come back soon....

[@mattie22011]

Well the bankrupt airlines gotta cut costs somewhere