American battery company reveals production ready 1000 Mile EV Battery

American battery company reveals production ready 1000 Mile EV Battery
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[@timothykeith1367]

Sam's latest miracle battery of the week!

[@malcolmrickarby2313]

Looking better than the usual game changer 👍🏽😊

[@lesliecarter4295]

Small semi solid state would be ideal for PHEV’s .

[@CastleKnight7]

🤣 We’re all still waiting for these 1,000 mile, 5 min charge time cars.

[@ian2487]

The million mile battery is coming next week. 😂

[@robertfonovic3551]

​@@lesliecarter4295PHEV? Is that another LGBTQ+ addition? Apparently Viagra can assist with small semi solid states.

[@dwurry1]

"production ready" and "early results show" is an incongruous statement.

[@mikemotorbike4283]

and "just need funding"

[@CastleKnight7]

And “yet to get off the drawing board”

[@alexandruilea915]

​@@mikemotorbike4283the electric airplanes need funding.

[@looncraz]

No it's not, it's common in technology due to the developmental process. Design, Proof of Concept, Redesign, Proof of Concept, Prototype, Production Sample, Risk Production, Full Production. They're currently between production sampling and risk production as I understand their progress. They may not have the funds or customer base to move to move to risk production or full production.

[@MarcDunivan]

@@mikemotorbike4283 Maybe QS or SLDP can act as a SPAC and acquire 24M Technologies. 😆😆

[@mountainmantesla4395]

They get 340 miles out of a 75KWH battery. Not sure how a 100KWH would give 3X the range.

[@Myrslokstok]

Maybee lighter but I wouldn't bet that it works 😂

[@huckthat]

Right, for a model Y Long Range, 340 miles / 75 KWh is 4.5 miles per KWh, so a 100KWh battery would get 450 miles (assuming the weight is the same, but it isn’t since a model Y LR pack weight is 771Kg, and theoretically this battery would be closer to 300Kg since it has a much better gravimetric energy density (which is the REAL STORY HERE). ** these Tesla numbers are likely off by a bit, just did google research … 😅

[@jpxxx991]

With 391 watts pr kg density a 100 kw battery would be around 400 kg and then some for the battery casing. 400 kg for 100 kw battery is good. A little step forward.

[@Rick_Cavallaro]

>> They get 340 miles out of a 75KWH These new batteries aren't even using KWH's. That's so last week! Now they just use KW's.

[@michaelwebsternz]

It doesn't the math / claims don't add up. Model 3 only does 4 miles per KWh with the new refresh version. Volumetric density also matters, not just the weight. The battery required to do 1000 miles is still much heavier than the current Model 3 pack.

[@tyharris9994]

Great. Now put 2 of them in an F150 so I can actually tow or haul things and sell it to me for under 60K. I'll buy one and so would half of Texas.

[@CycoWarriorx]

😂😂😂😂 Right!!!!

[@josephjones4293]

I think you picked the wrong state…

[@tyharris9994]

@@josephjones4293 Tell me then which state has a plan for every person who lives in an apartment to have their own overnight charging spot. EV's are not feasible for half the country who are renters just on that basis alone. Then you add in the lack of range in towing and hauling for trucks and commercial vehicles and a lack of realistic charging options for high-mileage drivers like rideshare and food delivery who also live in apartments for the most part. Drastically increasing the range or charging speed are the ONLY way to overcome the lack of charging infrastructure that will never be sufficient for these people. Thousand mile range and/or 5 minute charging or this will not happen. I had a Chevy Bolt for 6 months. Traded it in on a 50mpg hybrid because it was more of a hassle than the gas savings was worth.

[@TheEvilmooseofdoom]

@@tyharris9994 Why is charging a state responsibility? Does the state build gas stations?

[@blipco5]

You can have texas. We'll be happy to walk you off.

[@billthebuilder1579]

I have 90,000 mile on my Sept 30, 2021 Model Y Long Range. I currently drive 40,000 miles per year. I expect to get at least 400,000 miles on this battery or 10 years. At the time the battery replacement technology should be pretty well developed and Tesla will have a good income stream replacing batteries. The cost should be about $5000 and the current range of 300 miles should be extended to 500 miles with a software update to optimize the car for the replacement battery. The new battery will get 1 million plus miles. 10 year. financing on new cars is coming to match the payment period with the economy value of the car.

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

That's similar to my experience too. My EV is 5 years old, only 97,000 km but zero range loss, none at all...thanks to the 3.5 kWh battery buffer in the Kia e-Niro. At some point the buffer will be used up and I will see a real world range loss..but I don't expect that to happen until the 150,000 - 200,000 km mark...by which time the car will be 10 years old. At 15 years?...who knows but even if the battery is down to 50% of its original range it will still have 225 km to play with and may be perfect as a cheap commute car/school run/second car. With none of that nasty vibrating lump of metal and oily bits in the front I suspect EVs will outlive ICE and stay useful for many years...This will become clear as the years roll by and it will change the whole economics of car ownership and financing.

[@rodneyblackwell7477]

And Sam's magic battery of the week award goes to...

[@vinay7397]

He hasn't mentioned the name of the company 😅

[@SWR112]

@@vinay7397Its 24M and it’s a massive company.

[@travisjazzbo3490]

@@vinay7397 24M Technologies - He did say it and it was on the box straight off. Based in Cambridge, MA

[@AnthonyJMendoza-f7i]

@@vinay7397 24M

[@Ludak021]

@@vinay7397 He did, 24M. @1:30

[@brucemoller7012]

Sounds awesome. a few years ago we had a Peugeot 406 turbo diesel with a range of 1550km from 60 litres. We often did 1500km so I’m unsure what it could really do. In Queensland a long range is often handy.

[@JMWflicks]

Hi, Sam. I'm a retired Aerodynamicist (actually specialised in Flight Dynamics, but know the processes used for Performance Prediction), and am not optimistic about battery powered flight except for very short range. A useful quick estimate of range can be made from the lift/drag ratio and the weight (which doesn't change for battery powered flight). So if L/D is about 20 (typical for a commercial airliner), each kg produces about half a Newton of drag. Each km consumes 500 Joules per kg (assuming 100% efficit conversion from electric power to thrust). A kw.hour will therefore give a kg a range of 7,200km. If the airframe and payload were weightless, a battery with 380 W.hours/kg could propel itself 0.38×7200 = 2,736 km. Unfortunately converting from power to thrust involves pushing air backwards - you haven't got firm ground to push backwards. It's hard to get as much as 80% of power turned into thrust, and you're likely to lose another 5% to the electric motor being less than 100% efficient. So the range is down to 2,052 km.The there is the reserve you need for diversion if the airfield you plan to land at is closed (for example during a recent storm, one aircraft that failed to land at Edinburgh had to divert to Cologne, another to Paris). I'm not sure what the legal minimum reserve range is, but both of those aircraft were forced to fly an extra 800 km. I'm guessing a reserve of 500 km. That brings the range of the battery by itself down to 1500 km. Adding an airframe and powerplant weight roughly equivalent to the battery brings the range down to 1,026 km without reserve, and about 500km with reserve. That's barely enough to do an internal flight in the UK, certainly not medium or long range. To cross the Atlantic, you need over 5,000km range, so looking for an energy density about 5 times higher than this solid state battery. 2 kW.hours/kgm might just about do it. But thanks for the news, Sam, I really appreciate it.

[@alexhguerra]

Just for kicks, would it be feasible to cover airplanes with small rectennas to be powered up by microwaves sent from satellites? as they are closer to upper atmosphere, i suppose the loss gets lower and lower....

[@simontillson482]

Thanks for this analysis. I concluded the same a while back - electric flight is possibly feasible for air taxi services but long haul flight? Not a chance! As you said, even with 5x current energy density, which works out at around 1600Wh/kg, it’s still insufficient for a cross-Atlantic route. No battery technology has anywhere near that energy density, even theoretically. It’s a total non-starter.

[@davidbrayshaw3529]

@@alexhguerra Given that the upper low Earth orbit tops out at about 300kms above Earth and commercial aircraft fly at just 10km above Earth, you're probably going to be better off transmitting those microwave signals from Earth. The inverse square loss principle that applies to RF transmission is not your friend and, as they say, keep your friends close, but your enemies closer. But before you start experimenting, do a little bit of reading up on Tesla (Nikola!) and his "experiments". You might want to have a bit more of an in depth look at the "rectenna", too. Good luck with your experiments.

[@JMWflicks]

@@alexhguerra I'm not really qualified to comment on what area of rectennas (?) would be required to receive the power required (we're talking of about 200 m/sec at 0.5 kn per ton, that is 100kw/ton, so a 200 ton aircraft cruises at about 20 megawatts of thrust power, requiring more than 25 MW of electric power). Could you collect that much from microwaves in the planform of an aircraft body and wing? The microwave receiving equipment would have to be buried inside the skin of the aircraft, and you might need some reflective metal foil in the fuselage skin to protect passengers from being cooked. Also, you would have to track very precisely each aircraft you were powering, and there might be an issue with any microwave energy that missed the aircraft striking plants or animals, or people, on the ground.

[@mauroscimone8584]

I agree. Commercial electric flight will be a long way to go

[@patrickweaver1105]

If it was production ready it wouldn't be on KZbin trying to scrounge up interest. It would be in production. So what's the problem?

[@Ludak021]

it's production ready, if someone is willing to buy them out or invest billions in it (and end up loosing that and more)

[@mikewa2]

This is future, coming to you in near future

[@patrickweaver1105]

@@mikewa2 Tomorrow! Tomorrow! I love ya Tomorrow! You're always A day A way!🙂

[@ronan4681]

Landcruiser with long range tank gets close to 1000 miles, and when your working in remote Australia it is sometimes needed.

[@nshon7]

That is one reason why ICE will never go away, the other being extreme weather. Having said that, 95% of journies are below 30 miles

[@Spruce_Goose]

They will go away if Petrol/Gas is $10 a Litre. People will find a way to make do. Worse case, unfold a solar canopy and charge off that.

[@donaldduck5731]

This is where eFuel has a future, and eFuel PHEV's, or even with eFuel fuel cell PHEVs. When eFuel can be made for comparable costs as fossil fuels can be produced there will be a massive market for it. I don't see the future as just EV's which is not a problem, C02 and pollution is the problem, not efficiency or energy/fuel type.

[@pin65371]

@@nshon7 yup you need a lot of diesel vehicles to mine the materials to make the batteries..

[@pin65371]

@@Spruce_Goose how will gas get to $10 a liter when you still need all the other stuff they get from a barrel of oil? As we transition away from fossil fuels those fossil fuels will just get cheaper because it basically turns into a waste product. Its the same reason for natural gas being so cheap in the US. They either need to basically give it away or they need to flare it off (which is actually illegal in many areas now). You can always tell who really has no understanding of hydrocarbons.

[@michaelwebsternz]

To get 1000 miles on a model 3 you need 250KWh pack (4 miles per kwh). At 350Wh/kg for the pack it's going to be a 715KG battery. That's 260KG heavier than the current Model 3 Battery at 454KG. For a 454KG battery using the 24M cells you'd be able to get a 158KWh pack, which would yield a range of approximately 635 miles per charge. This doesn't tell the entire story though as you'd have to look at the volumetric density as well. After 500 cycles that would likely reduce to 527 miles. The 500 cycle running distance would be 317K miles, not 500K miles. Charge curve and charge times are also important to consider with such a large battery and are traditionally not great for solid state cells.

[@chrisbarron5861]

I think 4 miles/kWh is optimistic, at 70mph

[@nickwinn7812]

317k miles is, more or less the life of the car, and the battery would still give 80% of it's original range (500 miles). I think most users would find that more than acceptable.

[@chrisbarron5861]

@@nickwinn7812 ​@nickwinn7812 we still dont know what speed of travel that range is being quoted for. Theres a huge difference in range between travelling at 30/40mph, and traveling at 70/80mph

[@grainfield77]

454KG battery pack is for the standard range or the long range new model 3?

[@chrisbarron5861]

I don't think 4 miles/kWh is realistic for a steady 70-80mph highway run. I use 3 to 3.5 times battery capacity (in kWh) to guesstimate highway range

[@jvin248]

EV: At 3:40 you reminded me of an old joke: first guy is wearily lugging two heavy suitcases across the airport, second guy asks hey do you have the time, first guy sets his luggage down with a thump and pushes back his sleeve, second guy says holy cow that is an amazing watch you have, first guy says yeah it does this this and that plus these other things, second guy says hey, can I buy that cool watch from you, sure says the first, second guy is walking away with the watch after exchanging cash and the first guy yells after him after he lifts up his two suitcases: hey, don't forget the batteries!

[@chrisbarron5861]

100kWh pack ? Range depends on energy consumption. A model 3 at highway/70mph = 3 miles/kWh. = 300 mile range. Regardless of the battery chemistry, because 100kWh is 100kWh, however you store it

[@davidbrayshaw3529]

Well, there is a first time for everything in the comments section of a Tesla fluffer channel. It's almost like you understand basic physics? How can that be? Has Elon not programmed you properly?

[@chrisbarron5861]

@@davidbrayshaw3529 I'm happy with ICE, might take an EV if it can actually do what my ICE can do, but I won't wait ;)

[@vals.3817]

Wish I had $10 for each revolutionary battery technology Sam revealed ,I'd be a wealthy man😅🤣😂surely one day it will happen however not very likely any time soon!

[@SWR112]

Not any time soon - are we talking a few year or ten because the amount of money that has been flung at batteries since around 2018 is scary and just like phones, CPU’s, Ai these things with enough money and talent behind them start taking huge leap forwards . They wouldn’t believe the computing power of a relatively new PC system back ten years ago especially GPU’s if you described it. Battery tech for one or a few companies will be a golden ticket probably by the next five years.

[@philterzian9162]

A “60 kWh battery” of any type will give the same range. So I think what you meant to say is that with this new tech a bigger kWh battery could fit in the same size/weight as a formerly lower kWh space?

[@dankitchen621]

We own a factory original Ram pick up with the Cummins diesel engine that has 1000 miles of range. It has a 50 gallon fuel tank and gets 20 to 22 Miles per gallon. It is wonderful on a road trip. I hope some of these new high density batteries become commercialized at some point to solve the range issues with EVs.

[@Clyde-2055]

Those diesel VW Passats would go about 750 miles on a tank, and you’re right, it sure is nice to have that flexibility. My current vehicle will only do 520 AT BEST, and sometimes it flat-out pisses me off …

[@tylergood1223]

Especially where the charging infrastructure is still in its infancy. I would love to do a 500+ mile trip and charge overnight at my destination. It would make the planning so much easier

[@timogronroos4642]

The smaller you make this battery, the more critical the 500 cycles get. A 60 kWh battery would be light and give a great range, but 500 cycles could be had in just couple of years for a heavy user. LFP would give something like 4000 cycles. A 120 kWh equal size battery with that degradation would be better battery for the duration of the vehicle

[@jimdewey8965]

500 cycles x 500 miles = 250k miles in a couple of years? Anyone doing that driving would have to sleep in the car!

[@geoffhaylock6848]

@@jimdewey8965 500 miles from 60kwh battery? More like 250 miles. That is still a lot of driving.

[@patrickmckowen2999]

Wearing my Hogwarts wrobe and waving my wand - RIDICULOUS!

[@Raptorman0909]

Sam, put the pipe down -- I feel a Thunderf00t video in 3 ... 2 ... 1.

[@4justice002]

I am a cabbie and I don't have home charging meaning I will have to waste precious work hours outdoors just to charge my battery everyday. I NEED A 1000 MILES BATTERY PLEASE. THE MORE THE MERRIER.

[@lkrnpk]

I do wonder how much a cabbie drives per day which is mostly city driving and sitting in traffic?

[@johnfrancis4401]

Why can't you get home charging?

[@CajunMusings]

its complete VAPOR WARE! even the article "24M Claims The 1000 Mile Battery Is Nearly Here" says it is NOT here. this is just another video on hype with ZERO substance...go read the article. if they can get an actual battery and not some mythical 'test' then sure, so many many many of these hype articles are just pure BS

[@wily1532]

Specialy in winter it will give u more wiggle room

[@charlesminckler2978]

10000 mile range wouldn’t change the fact that batteries need to be charged. If you spend 15 minutes enjoying a morning coffee and 15 minutes during lunch. You’d probably have far more range than you could drive in a day. It would miss the major cost saving of charging from home though.

[@Gypsy2057]

I think Sam misspoke, the battery pack would be the size of a 100 Kwh battery in the current energy density. The pack would be 300 Kwh's but the same weight as the current 100 Kwh battery.

[@geoffhaylock6848]

you'd never charge a 300kw battery, especially at 1C.

[@jirace]

@@geoffhaylock6848 It is typically easier to add range to a larger pack, so if you went 100 miles then recharging that 100 miles would typically happen faster, as it would be a lower percentage of the capacity. It would be faster charging a 300kW pack than charging a 100kW pack three times. Most people don't need 1000 miles of range. Only those who tow and who have lost of anxiety. Maybe those who have a far commute and don't own a garage.

[@geoffhaylock6848]

@@jirace My point was a 300kwh battery would need a 300kw charger to charge at 1C. If the world does in fact move over to battery packs like this, we are going to need big changes to our power utilities. Lots of things affect charge times.

[@ghrosenb]

Has any field ever had more horseshit announcements than the battery field? Literally every day, someone somewhere announces a huge "breakthrough" in energy storage, never to be heard from again.

[@dixon_est]

If you are talking about electric cars and batteries while trying to sound like an expert there's a small suggestion - try to avoid mixing up Watts and Watt-hours like you did several times in this video (example at 2:47).

[@rbhebron]

if you have a 1000miles of range, under normal use of 100miles per day.. that equates to charging only once every 10 days.. which means charging 36times per year.. if it degrades after 500cycles to 80%, the battery shud last at least 10yrs before any degradation will occur.. & its not that we dont need 1000miles, it ony means the battery last longer between charges.. & of course more range is better

[@chrisbarron5861]

But range isn't always range. Speed, weather, cargo, etc, all affect range massively.

[@guidodraheim7123]

WRONG - The VW Passat Bluemotion (diesel) had a 70 liter tank with a consumption of 4.1 L/100km leading to a range of 1.707 km.

[@guidodraheim7123]

After all, it just depends on the tank size. Thus google says there are common queries about cars with 70 or 80 or 90 liter tank. This implies there are applications where drivers want that amount to be available, even if they have to replace the original tank. The given example with the passat is not an exception - VW, Audi, BMW had different motors for the same car where the big blocks were quite thirsty so that they installed a big tank by default. Combine that with a super efficient motor from the same manufacturer and you get those 1000 mile range right from the production line.

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

And we all know how accurate and honest VW claims are don't we🤣. Real world fuel consumption for ICE cars is almost as bad as the real world ranges of some EVs. Given that 60% of all car journeys are 10 km or less (global average)...most ICE spend a lot of time warming up so 4.1 l/100 km is more like 5l/100 km or above. I've run diesels and hybrids for many years before I got my EV and sure, on long journeys I could sometimes hit 60 mpg but most of the time it was 50 mpg.

[@jamie-ck6js]

Another miracle battery that we will never hear about again.

[@Beatles4Sale.]

1000 miles you don’t need very many charging stations. Charge at your destination.

[@Phtang-phtang]

A 50-60kwh battery pack with half the weight would be enough for most vehicles

[@donchernoff2856]

FREYR has a license to produce 24M batteries. They are building a factory in Norway and Georgia.

[@koenraad4618]

Oh man, the Aptera with 24M batteries (semi solid electrodes), 2000 miles of range, absolutely amazing: only one recharge needed during a coast-to-coast USA trip. Such a combi can fast charge an incredible number of miles per minute, comparable with refueling gasoline.

[@ohger1]

It's about time there was a game changer in the EV industry!!!

[@paulkearsley9509]

Another day, another new battery . One day, one of them might see real production

[@geoffhaylock6848]

Probably around the same time as fusion power stations come online 😂

[@PhxElecAuto]

The aptera is super efficient and offers a 1,000 mile range. I have the launch edition on order with 400 mule range.

[@so_what_else_is_new]

I remember that in the Good Old Days there were diesel engines that could do 20 to 25 km on a liter. With a 60 l tank you had a range of 1200 to 1500 km. Very nice if you wanted to go from Amsterdam to Barcelona for instance.

[@carlsapartments8931]

25km on one L is 113.5 miles per gallon. everyone in the world wishes they got that kind of mileage but no one ever has!

[@SWR112]

And why have that tank size you can drive Amsterdam to Barcelona in any car, we have these things every twenty thirty miles called petrol station. 😂 Hardly the Australian outback guy that has the nearest corner shop 400 miles away 😂

[@so_what_else_is_new]

@@carlsapartments8931 not with a 5l V8 no

[@DrJohnnyJ]

I never saw diesels doing that. Could you give me an example?

[@so_what_else_is_new]

@@DrJohnnyJ VW golf blue motion. Forgot type and cc

[@petermoran9561]

Sam, Thanks for your great reporting. Every breakthrough is important! Keep up the great work!

[@jasontran8095]

Good news...the battery technology has evolved with an amazing pace...❤

[@Phtang-phtang]

The main point is that weight is halved. That means that you can have the same power with half the weight so the range is actually higher

[@thomasbeach7436]

Thanks for the heads up on this new battery. I looked up the company and they are getting the testing started soon. I drive from FL to IL and I just stop for fuel, food, and restroom breaks. It takes about 15 to 16 hours to get there. With this battery I could make it in about the same amount of time by only charging it about 25% a couple of times while I get food etc. The future is looking up! And this battery would work in airplanes too! Marvelous!

[@gremlinfishing4286]

Don't hold your breath waiting for it to happen ,better off seeing if you can buy a magic wond ,

[@harrisoncheyne8593]

Mike Zimmerman invented a solid state battery 7 years ago I wonder why no one's using it.

[@fluxcapacitor]

Because soft-shorts ans hard-shorts from dendrite formation in the solid electrolyte plague the lifespan of SSBs. Eventually the research will overcome this one day and pave the way to the commercialisation of long-life, powerful solid state batteries.

[@rogerdodger1790]

​@fluxcapacitor "one day" being about 40 years time

[@antonnym214]

Sam. You are the man. Thank you for these awesome reports, because if it weren't for you, I would not be able to keep up. The industry and products are changing so fast! It is really miraculous when you think about it. 83% after 500 cycles still gives you 830 miles of range. I could live with that. Even in the pack, this is getting close to enabling electric aviation in a big way.

[@markmiller8903]

No way!!

[@golfish8589]

I want to drive my truck /camper to a remote location and stay a week. I also live in an area with 3-4 months if very cold temps. Cutting my range un half

[@wocookie2277]

I live on the prairie of Canada, and that range would be welcome. It’s 1200km to visit my daughter and it takes three stops now. Not having to charge taking a full charge cycle to wait, to a quick walk and a pee on the stops to stretch.

[@ferfromla]

I don't believe we will see this battery in cars soon. But it does show that America's talented innovators are on the right track. Once this battery or something like it gets into full production and is done at scale, the prices are certain to come down. Then a 500-mile range EV will become a reality and ICE vehicles will rapidly be replaced with new technology. But we are not there yet and until the prices of batteries and EVs get to parity with basic transportation ICE vehicles it will be a slow climb.

[@omarb155]

Bro, if I can't drive 2000 miles without stopping, I am not getting an EV. What excuse will people have for not getting an EV now.. Thisbatter will make it easier for people in apartments to own EVs.

[@davidbrayshaw3529]

2000 miles without stopping? I'd get a urologist and a drug counsellor, if I was you.

[@chrishubbard6140]

I believe if they made electric vehicles with 1000+ miles of range, it would greatly expand the number of people who want an EV. Lots of people just won’t switch until EV’s are a vast improvement over ice vehicles. My milestones are more range, 10 minute full charge, a built-out charging infrastructure with onsite sustainable energy production, no chance of a car fire or thermal runaway, and a 20+ year battery. You get these basics and you would have a highly desired,leaps and bounds type improvement over ice vehicles.

[@chesshooligan1282]

THIS IS A GAME CHANGER!!!!

[@MichaelGreenLagos]

I was waiting for sam to day that

[@davidbrayshaw3529]

"To the moon".

[@RedRouge-j4j]

The reason ICE cars don't need 1000 miles range is because there are so many places to re-fuel. EV charging may be getting easier, but it is just supply & demand at the moment. It is reasonably safe to drive 400 miles with two drivers each doing half. But it's the single driver who thinks he is safe to do 500 miles in one stint that should worry the other drivers! In theory this battery would enable lighter cars, and that is a bonus on whatever range was chosen.

[@baldisaerodynamic9692]

one of the biggest reasons why a 400-500 mile range EV is highly desirable is charging speed at home. another is climate, and another is actual range vs EPA ratings. then there are the road trippers, where 270 mile range is nerve wracking, and many public chargers along the highways cost the same as gas. I live in vegas. we see 110F over the summer, and often hover at 103-108F for 3 months. we all know how cold reduces range, but never talk about how high heat does it worse. I own a model 3, SR RWD 270 miles of range, and a heavy user. i live in an apartment but CAN charge in my garage but only on level 1, which is about 5 miles of range per hour plugged in, and im a mildly heavier user and a lot of idle time too. right now in average weather, it suffices, but when i add in extra miles to my car, charging becomes an issue based on charging speed. its even worse when its over 100F outside, my range tanks a good 15%, and over 108F outside, its tankes close to 40-50% of my range which means where my generally sufficient level 1 charger does just fine for me 95% of the time, i now have to use a SC every other day and its like throwing money away because a SC at such a frequency ends up costing me as much as a gas car would.

[@bhabbott]

"I live in vegas" - Well there's your problem!

[@dr.x4050]

The Viking doesn't get the need for a 1000-mile range vehicle. The first application is towing, and others said a taxi service - even if convenient pull-through charging stations exist. At the same time, however, I don't see huge companies (CATL, BYD, Tesla, etc) buying these 400-500 Wh/kg batteries because they need to produce about 10 cells per second to meet a large factory demand.

[@tyharris9994]

And all of us gig worker apartment dwellers don't have the time to spend our lunch hour every day at a commercial charging station.

[@IgorPellinen]

Actually nearly every car owner needs 1k range at least in "travel mode". That's because you usually charging from 20 to 80 percent while driving, more is slow and less is anxious, so the 60% of thousand miles definitely couldn't be called as a redundant number.

[@michaelwebsternz]

@@IgorPellinen Charge curve for these cells and maximum charging rate / charging time would be very important. Most solid state cells are not great at charging fast and the charge curves aren't great.

[@stevehayward1854]

There has already been a taxi firm entirely using early Nissan Leaf's, taxis dont need a 1,000 mile battery

[@Clint-stanley]

Good point that with this battery I can now tow my trailer a descent range.

[@cbcdesign001]

As others have correctly said, even with an average efficiency of 250wH/Mile which would be very good at highway speeds, you still need 250kWh battery packs to get 1000 miles of range, no escaping that fact no matter how much energy is squeezed into a cell pack.

[@brucedewald]

You really do not understand long distance driving in the Western USA, Canada and Alaska. Typical daily driving distances are 600 to 800+ miles with sparsely located gas stations. A 1000 mile EV vehicle with stopover charging would be ideal.

[@linusa2996]

Doesn't the host live in Australia?

[@TreDeuce-qw3kv]

Way fewer than 1-percent ever drive more than a typical daily work commute or more than a 250-300_ mile round trip weekend adventure. I used to live in the remote high desert east Oregon, my nearest neighbor was 12-miles way and most of my driving was a tractor or an old 4x4 Nissan on the farm. Trips to town were on a week to10-day cycle as was typical of most of the ranchers/farmers in the the area and usually that was to the local cafe or tavern to get the local news. My big resupply or delivery trips were on a less than monthly basis and were about 300-miles round trip and sometimes that included a 12' enclosed or 20' flatbed trailer, but most often just my big truck/pickup. Real world range issues are a mute reality The hysteria over range is a canard likely promoted by the ICE industry.

[@stuartkarlson307]

Mate we know probably more than you about long distance driving here in Australia, to say most people drive 600 to 800 MILES a day is bs

[@gremlinfishing4286]

​@@TreDeuce-qw3kvTry towing , hope you like walking ,after 100 miles .

[@gremlinfishing4286]

@@linusa2996 As an Aussie I hope not ,we don't like BS .

[@Supersurfer12]

Another important thing about getting over 300 wh/kg reliably is that you can make a Model 3 the same curb weight as a Camry.

[@sgtbrown4273]

Good luck 😅

[@yggdrasil9039]

Except no structural battery pack if you have to swap out the battery after 500 cycles

[@johnjames2242]

Sam. In America with the problem finding chargers 1000 miles of range sounds very good. This kind of range would solve the problems here in America trying to find somewhere to charge your car.This would really help with the current problem of traveling across country which is almost impossible with the current range limits.

[@gdu370]

The Electric Viking is the future of EV industry

[@madyak222]

My Audi Q5 does over a 1000km on a tank of diesel, along with many other VW badged 4 cylinder turbo diesel vehicles. And I'm sure there are others, Here in Qld we can use twice that range occaisionally. (In Reference to the comment that no ICE vehicle has ever been made with a 1000km range???)

[@tomlewitt]

He said 1000 miles. Not 1000 km

[@gregangell1500]

Sam a 100kw hr battery pack is a 100kw hr battery pack, the only difference is size and weight. A 2-300kg pack weight difference is a small % (say 10-15%) of the overall cars weight. You’re not going to get double the real world range, you continue to make this mistake. Let’s hope they do commercialise them in the next 3-5 years. The new Shenxing pack is 750kg apparently so nothing special weight wise, better energy density for LFP but not yet specified. Tesla NMC packs of equivalent size are around this weight.

[@tyharris9994]

No No No. We need the 1000 not 600. This is why a lot of people are not adopting. We apartment dwellers are never going to have access to enough chargers. We need to be able to go to a commercial charger every couple of weeks like filling up a gas tank.

[@AnthonyJMendoza-f7i]

If you mean km then you are correct. 600 miles is Ok though.

[@Ludak021]

Yea, I am not waiting for 10 hours for half a charge in a vehicle that lasts as long as the battery does and then you have to tow it to the grave because paying (tens of) thousands for the replacement of battery is insane proposition when I can have hundreds of thousands of miles in gas + an used ICE in that money + a gas station everywhere.

[@AnthonyJMendoza-f7i]

@@Ludak021 1% of gasoline cars make it to 200,000 miles. Consumer Reports estimates the average EV battery pack lifespan to be 200,000 miles. So, the two types of cars last about the same number of miles.

[@baldisaerodynamic9692]

ive had 6 cars out of the roughly 2 dozen ive owned over 25 years that had over 200k miles. and all were european cars the partial fallacy of your statement is that people economically will not fix a high mile cars issues that arent really related to the engines life, such as suspension, emissions sensors, door locks, Wheel bearings, steering components, windows, airbags age out, ABS issues, seats torn up, 15 year old wiring issues, factor in labor costs etc where it makes more sense to sell the thing for scrap and buy a newer car. many times its not the issue of miles, but age, the drive train may still be good (EV or ICE), but it has many other wear issues. wiring ages and breaks down, materials wear out, etc. EVs only differ in terms of the drive train, but when you factor in the entire car they are generally identical in potential age and wear issues. I have a 30 year old lexus as a second car from my tesla, and it starts, runs, and drives incredible smooth and reliable every day even if it sits for a month. but i needs suspension work, brakes, all the door locks dont work, steering column doesnt move, seats torn up. but at 225k miles its a solid hooptie beater car, and the engine still runs as smooth as advertised when it was new (glasses of water barely vibrating AD) @@AnthonyJMendoza-f7i

[@AnthonyJMendoza-f7i]

@@baldisaerodynamic9692 That is nice that you take good care of your cars, but most people don't. The lifetime of a Tesla battery is in the 300,000-mile plus range if it is well maintained. If you don't take care of it, the battery will fail just like a poorly maintained gasoline car will fail.

[@ToddRader]

Maybe you are right that nobody needs 1000 miles of range, but people definitely do need around 300 miles of range in a truck towing a trailer in Montana in the winter -- and they can't get anything near that right now.

[@markfudger5267]

Nobody mentions the price. If the battery costs $800/kwh, then a 100kwh battery will cost $80,000 each. Then, you have still got to add in the cost of the car. Wake me up if someone says they can produce a lightweight battery for less than $100/kwh.

[@1kreature]

100kWh pack would not add much to a Tesla 3, it can already have a 82kWh battery for largest choice (75kWh user available). That delivers 400 miles so you'd need a 190kWh pack with no added weight to get to 1000 miles.

[@davidbrayshaw3529]

You silly people with your maths and physics and science and stuff. Back in my day, if it didn't go far enough, ya just hit it harder and/or twice. Then the family law act of 1975 was introduced..........

[@keithhooper6123]

If produced ,at a reasonable price,with reliability,a world beater.

[@bricolagefantasy7291]

Coming soon after kickstarter...after venture cspitalist.... after goverment bailout

[@allenemersonn1227]

It is being acknowledged that EV's are very heavy, easily twice the weight of and ICE vehicle. Moves are underway to tax the vehicles in some manner to pay for the additional damage to roadways, bridges, and overpasses. The weight of many EV's in on par with many smaller commercial trucks and will soon be taxed accordingly.

[@chonpincher]

At 2:40 : “the energy density of the battery pack is 391 watts [sic] per kilogram”. A little later, “watts per kilogram” is repeated as the presenter's measure of energy density several times. He also gets packs and cells muddled.

[@Marc_de_Car]

Thank you

[@travisjazzbo3490]

If it's half of everything just claimed it would be a game changer. Based in the USA in the Eastern Silicon Valley 3M Technologies is at least a real company with a good reputation. Hope this is at least close to the stats presented

[@travisjazzbo3490]

@davidsmith3302 Same here. All the anti-EV people crack me up making crazy claims about EVs not being greener, will never catch on in the USA, will always be too expensive, and on and on completely ignoring the massive advancements made in just the past 10 years or so and costs coming down constantly. If Tesla comes out with its 25K or even 28K electric car and if it can fast charge to 80% in 12 minutes or so...people will start clamoring for that EV at that point. I would like to see a PHEV go 100 miles on a charge personally that is affordable. That would be huge also IMHO

[@Nelson-HaHa]

The more range, the less times you have to charge, the better. There is no such thing as "you don't need that much range". We always need more.

[@mefobills279]

When u get to high enough power density, then electric jump jets become viable. That then changes the pattern for air travel. Pack density matters also for jump jets. Probably not bigger planes who will continue to use jet fuel

[@christopherhamilton5557]

I wish I had Sam’s enthusiasm after all the “new technology” that has never evolved. He always seems so pumped up on his videos! I guess that’s why I watch, he is entertaining! (I sure don’t understand all the tech talk…)

[@syedputra5955]

I will wait for a 2000 mile battery

[@markwiegard8384]

Now you’re talking. 500 miles of range for creature:comforts, A/C, battery heater, cabin heating, other electronics. Then 500 miles driving range between changes with cruise control and 80 miles per hour and high and low temperature differences. Car price $35,000 and less. Now ICE will have a problem when charging stations are available.

[@ransomholbrook7428]

It's not the overall range that is really the issue, it's the infrastructure and charging times when you are travelling away from home. Unlike the rest of the world, some USA folks drive more than 300 miles on a single trip. I, for example, drive 865 miles about every 4-6 weeks (one way). Came so close to buying a new Bolt EUV until I figured out that there wasn't anyway that I could travel on I-75 without making the journey a 2 day adventure when it normally takes me 13-14 hours.

[@rRobertSmith]

Actually the way the battery recharge stations are spaced on the east coast you would need 600-1000 miles of range (comment at time 4:25)

[@geraldbutler5484]

Which East Coast?

[@robertfonovic3551]

​@@geraldbutler5484Duh!!!

[@CiaranMcHale]

@@geraldbutler5484 The one on the east, near the coast. ;-)

[@astranc]

1000 miles of range shrinks in a Canadian winter to 580 miles and to 300 miles if you are towing

[@davidbrayshaw3529]

That's not the only thing that shrinks in the Canadian winter. I'm baffled as to how your Prime Minister can be such a huge dick in those conditions.

[@CJSmith-ky5bh]

Understanding the real world experience (which you seem to have dismissed) is why 1000 miles becomes important. To fill up with petrol takes me 5 minutes. To get charge to get the same distance, means an hour of charging. That’s IF there’s a charger available (not broken, not all being used, other vehicles parked in them, etc etc etc). Add in towing, for an EV there is not a single charger available that you can drive thru, meaning you have to find a place for your trailer/van, uncouple, charge the car, go back to the trailer/van, reconnect, and finally you get to drive off again. Imagine doing this in the pouring rain, freezing cold, snow, 40C + temps. Or… you can just travel the full distance and charge overnight. Understanding these things will help your channel.

[@josedearimateiayjesus2178]

Sorry, mate, but until it actually makes it to production, n physical incorporated into EVs, I have my doubts. So far, I must have read at least over a hundred of these so called 'game changing' battery technology, but none have made to fruition

[@davidbrayshaw3529]

But didn't you see battery day. Elon said that he had invented the world's best battery and everything was going to be heaps better and he's so good and everything and now he's made the battery and stuff and the factory and everyone else is jealous 'cause Elon's really smart and they're just making stuff up and all of that, you know. You should buy some Tesla shares! Elon told me to buy some so I can be richer.

[@photobobo]

Sam, battery capacity is measured in Watt-Hours not Watts.

[@davidbrayshaw3529]

*EV channel, mate. We measure everything just the way we want, here. A decimal point here, a zero there... don't you worry about it. We've got it all under control. After you've been here for a while, you'll start to enjoy the freedom that you get from not having to conform to physics, maths and history. It's wonderful. Truly liberating.

[@philwelling7172]

Energy density is watt HOURS per kg. Watt HOURS is energy. Watt HOURS is gravimetric energy density (based on weight)

[@waywardgeologist2520]

New battery for my first gen Nissan Leaf!!

[@derricklaw1]

I don't need 1000 miles of range but it'd be nice to have 350 to 400 miles of towing. We won't need diesel trucks at that point. Current tech is perfect for passenger vehicles, but we need to step up our game for towing, freight, and flying.

[@CaptBill69]

Love hearing about ongoing innovations, and competition. I look forward to seeing the best dependable battery advances in EVs, ... that have their details dialed in for happy customers 🌠

[@vensonata]

Lucid air touring gets 520 miles of range from 112 kwh battery. It has the highest miles per kWh of any car at 5. So any car with that efficiency per mile would require a minimum of 200 kWh to get 1000 miles of range. The weight of the pack is key. A 200 kWh pack at this density would be the same weight as a 100 kWh Tesla model S pack. There is no magic way to make the car go farther with less kWh. However one other factor should be considered...the rate of discharge. Because the rate of discharge is slower the battery will be more efficient, perhaps 10-15% more efficient. This depends as well on the battery chemistry.

[@francoisbonnin389]

Hi Sam, Just so you know. Energy is measured in wh not in w. w is a measure of power. You have to say 350 wh per liter or kg … I really like you episodes.

[@MarkStafford9]

I could get 1,200 miles on my stock '96 VW Passat TDI wagon 5 speed manual with it's stock 20 gallon tank. The tank even had another 2-ish gallons of expansion space that could be filled easily at the pump if immediately upcoming driving conditions allowed cutting into that safety margin. Then 1,300+ miles was within range. So there were stock cars that could bust the 1,000 mile barrier.

[@MrGMawson2438]

It will all come together soon cheers mate

[@markyormark7747]

Sam, You conjecture a smaller battery for high performance battery electric vehicles. Nothing was stated in this video about the "C" rating of this cell. Other solid state batteries are not ready for this application because they have a low "C" rating.

[@frankmynard6325]

I’m interested in a recent KZbin from Autoline. Natreon is the company. Lisic is the material. Any battery making includes a cloth to put in the liquid material for the electrode. Lisic can be substituted to reduce charging time and increase energy density. Converts to solid state so increases safety as well

[@savagefist1029]

It will need 1K miles capacity for when it gets cold or carrying any significant load so it still has decent range when it gets cut in half under those conditions.

[@ronmorrell9809]

The density might be very welcome in the Cyber Semi. Volume and weight have been impediments to obtaining the really needed 500-miles (800-km) range.

[@ScottLedgerwood-s3h]

Class 8 trucks like the Tesla Semi ought to be a great use case for this battery ......

[@SunriseLAW]

The new battery is a game-changer that will solve a lot of battery problems. My electric vehicle battery has noticeably degraded in just two years of moderate usage. It is most noticeable when going up hills. I envision a day when I can get a new battery for my electric bike based on this game-changing technology.

[@eleetgroupvideo]

this is the bestest game changer coming out of the US 😄

[@andrewleo6407]

What commission is "Sam" receiving from this battery company ???

[@andys5841]

Sorry but the energy density of batteries would have to be 30x better to power a jumbo jet without the entire mass of the plane being a battery, that's silly.

[@yogamon]

Not really 500 wh/kg will be enough to make practical propellor airplanes albeit the range will still be about half of gas prop plane

[@richardwatkins6725]

1000 Mile range is what's needed for a Taxi, MiniBus or similar business transport

[@ocker2000]

I would love to retrofit my hybrid VW GTE replaceble battery pack with these M24 batteries when the time comes. It would extend the range of my electric driving radius... Tinkerers will start making these when they become available on the market at large.

[@GWAForUTBE]

Keep up the great work on the most important invention to release our society from this horrible petrol leash.

[@Clyde-2055]

EV’s won’t release us from the petrol leash as long as we’re burning fossil fuels to produce electricity … But of course, you already knew that …

[@MarcDunivan]

If it takes 12 hours to 10% to 80% charge a battery pack with 1900 km range, one might need the larger capacity battery pack just to have enough tie to charge it between use. Also assume these packs won't be more expensive than rhodium by weight and don't lose range significantly over 2000 charge cycles.

[@GeorgeKauffman-w6g]

A 1,000 mile range can make sense. If I go to the gas station 3 times to make a 1,000 mile trip, I'm almost on the same schedule with one 30 minute charging stop.

[@raggedcritical]

EVs want more range than their petroleum based equivalent because they take longer to charge than to fill up a petrol tank,or so I assumed anyway.

[@kamingcloud2880]

Definitely perfected for Working Electric Pick-up Trucks and Cargo-Vans, need at least 1000 miles range . People don't have to stop and waste their working hours charging their working Electric Vehicles in the middle of the working day. More range and Less charging time, the better for all kind of Electric Vehicles ! 😃💖⚡️🔋⚡️💖💯👍 😉💖⚡️🌏✌️

[@sgtbrown4273]

Folks, there are absolutely NO free lunches in physics.

[@so_what_else_is_new]

Well, the sun seems a pretty free lunch to me 😁