American Magic's AC75 'Patriot' | An America's Cup designer's analysis | Yachting World

America's Cup designer, Thomas Tison of Thomas Tison Yacht Design & Engineering, speaks to Yachting World editor, Helen Fretter, about the New York Yacht Club's America's Cup boat. Will Patriot's radical design choices pay off?
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[@LegalizeMyFreedom]

As much as I love traditional boating, these new boat designs are quite fascinating. I look forward to watching all of the races.

[@thomaselliott573]

how boring

[@nroose]

If I am not mistaken, it's not less overall energy for the recumbent, it's less max power.

[@grahamsmith8810]

I agree with previous comments made YES.

[@whynot64928]

Historicly nzl20 and nzl 60 both did outside of the box things but with variable success. But on looks alone the usa boat looks like a winner

[@aquasapien9275]

I swim with cetasean... specifically humpback whales, and spinner dolphins. The dolphins have taught me how to optimize my energy emmulating their swimming techniques. The humpback in particular have command of movement, strength and grace. American Majic looks just like a humpback, down to the side fins. Biomemicery is the smart way, no need to reinvent, just memic what is a perfect design. If one was to see the grace of a humpback in the water, one would agree on the absolute perfection of design.

I very like the slim design of Patriot. As a Swiss, I also like Alinghi's approach, which is quite different.

[@julian4548]

No comment on the relatively large rudder stock above the hull or added windage (maybe?) of side by side helm/trimmer? Foils and sails will matter most I reckon. Hull is largely something to mount the other bits on :)

[@sans3go342]

That large rudder stock is part of the rule - for camera mounts. They let the cat out of the bag early but, Patriot can get on foils in 6 knots of wind. The larger boats could be faster in a drag race, but patriot should be able to out accelerate them. also The weather in the fall will play a huge part, its supposed to be light wind and choppy water conditions.

[@Despiser25]

"Were faster than the French" isn't a winning slogan.

[@franpinyol8500]

Hi, what bot element, sial adjustments etc are automatically trimmed ? What is the level of automation ?

[@julian4548]

None.

[@ianscott3180]

I can understand this kind of boat for the spectators, like SailGp. Most sailors will scratch their heads and ask where is the chain locker 😅.

[@lawrencefalk8714]

It's gotta be better than the first Patriot...isn't it?

[@sweetwater5030]

As a kiwi fan, this boat is a worry

[@craighill2086]

New foils maybe game changer for etnz

[@ezrabell742]

Agreed, I am a Kiwi and this boat makes me feel anxious.

[@dameonhubbard1196]

Ditto.

[@yachtingworld]

Interesting...🧐

[@ezrabell742]

Well, they have done something different (make the boat way more aero dynamic than all of the rest) and have the sailing to make full use of it. The only thing I can see which might even things out is the kiwi foil.

[@kalebgonzales4009]

It looks like a whale.

[@gavinbailey898]

Looks a little doggie that bath tub 👀🤔will 🤥turn up 😂

[@cdkr0]

HORRENDOUS!!! Hello... here the "innovation" is to use inverted wings to create lift, but the fact that you need 4 men cranking handles and/or pedaling ruins the whole idea of a yacht. All systems should be powered by the force of the wind, effectively feeding the needs of the yacht’s hydraulic, electric, battery, and other systems. With this, the designers or organizers have made a serious mistake; they lacked common sense, the fundamentals of navigation (using the power of the wind, not human power), etc. I hope that next year there will be rational progress on this issue so that the competition is solely about sailors and not cyclists, with 50% of the crew dedicated to pedaling. Best regards!

[@my_dear_friend_]

Human power has been used on sail boats forever and part of the crew was onboard to function as counterweight and/or to power the winches. Until recently, they winched with arm power, now they pedal with leg power. Legs are stronger. Certainly less traditional but makes more sense.

[@cdkr0]

​@@my_dear_friend_ Correct, I know all that. That's why I consider this action of pedaling on a sailboat as nonsensical! Especially since it's clear that there are energy sources like wind, the relative movement of the sea, and solar energy, all of which could provide power to batteries that could move the entire system on board. I hope that in the coming years they will hire professional seafarers and not cyclists staring down, used like hamsters on a spinning wheel. Best regards!

[@villageroma]

They already have the excuses to be used after loosing 😂

[@lasse8412]

First

[@Trajectionable]

Win the Cup back and restore this race series to colossal keelboats with crew, sail work, close match strategy and tactics, and leave this trash all but forgotten. Super maxis are already vastly more impressive. The J class is vastly more impressive and it's nearly a century old. Why should AC suffer in some odd sailing backwater, like big Moths in ponds? Or shall AC end up in ice skates run by radio?

[@minime453]

boring

[@nicholaycalhoun1681]

Go watch the j class and 12 meters at this years cup then

[@nicholaycalhoun1681]

@@ross82 the j class, 12 meter and ac 75 all have their own series

[@flo475644]

This is progress..!

[@peterrose8944]

I agree, Like F1 the commentator has to hype the race up. It's not actually yachting.

[@thomaselliott573]

It has always been a case of the Kiwis totally farking the cup. They have major problems in the upstairs department and are only interested in producing some sort of perverse marketing non-event. They are just not bright enough and never have been.

[@unsolicitedopinion101]

You don't put forward a great case for being brighter than them

[@marknicol4957]

If you look at the History Kiwi ingenuity on many fronts has aiding Yachting and design.. Your statement is flawed on many aspects.

[@ezrabell742]

They don't have the budget to out spend so have to out think to be successful. Have they been successful Thomas?

[@thomaselliott573]

@@ezrabell742 No, they are too stupid and money has nothing to do with what these idiots have done.

[@fabmanly1070]

@@unsolicitedopinion101 This guy has some serious mental issues, ignore him.

[@thomaselliott573]

Should have been "they have done something a bit differently". You are supposed to come from England, not California