American Pinball is Failing...

[@mrfuriouser]

I don't care what anyone says - I love GTF and will not apologize. I've played several, and they were always working and fun to shoot. Valhalla is also quite fun.

[@psziel]

Hope cuphead turns things around. I am an Houdini owner and it’s bolted to floor. I live about half hour from them stopped there for parts and accessories. Been nothing but great to me. Bent over backwards once to get me a topper by going around warehouse to build me one special.

[@Jesselovespinball]

I’ve been going back and forth on Houdini , is there anything you don’t like about it ? Be honest please 🙏🏽 . I’ve been seeing them in used market for decent price .

[@psziel]

To be honest. The only thing I would like to see is another update to add more modes. The game is fun. Deep rules set. We have a blast when playing co-op to get those modes complete. I have 6 machines. And it gets a lot of play when people come over. Even wife loves it. Once you get it dialed in adjusting the power for the ball launch to chest and flipper adjustments it is great shooter. Multi ball on it freaking nuts. Like I said. Only thing is an update would be nice to add more new things but it does not get boring. Built like a tank. I just picked up the pin lights for it also. If you can get it for good price definitely worth it. Totally different experience playing it at home than at a show to hear the call outs and when you get teased by the machine for stupid shot. This is what American pinball needs to go back to and I hope cup head follows what Houdini is. Awesome.

[@sadboi7537]

“I am a Houdini owner and it’s bolted to the floor.” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 F’n yikes……LMAO

[@Leesion73]

I am a HUGE Houdini fan and miss mine often and may well have another at some point, I'm FAR from rich so cant have too many new pins at once. At these prices its one of the greatest deals in pinball IMO, people are way too hard on this game, and for the last time the shots are NOT too tight, the game is HARD, and I love hard games. IMO American just gets too much hate.

[@1StepTooFar]

The only way to turn around and redeem AP would be to 1. Fire Fix 2. Rehire the OG crew 100% The reputation and trust that AP built at the start is now gone. Fix squandered all the goodwill away. Fix said there were personnel problems back then and that’s why they were let go. Well now David has a pinball company problem and he needs to be let go. Bring back Balcer & Kugler.

[@Jesselovespinball]

I’m with Cary and I think most of us don’t want to see any pinball company fail , that’s not good for pinball in general . The more manufacturers the better ! Keeps people honest and on their toes !

[@johneldridge2082]

Not necessarily the case. When stern was the lone ranger manufacturer they put out some packed titles like acdc.

[@tntamusements]

except Pinball Adventures! 🙂

[@thedman1696]

If that Nordman game was a Whitewater 2 and we never get to see it now I'm so mad

[@robertisrael338]

@@thedman1696 most likely was

[@terri_blueberri]

It might not be a popular opinion but the BBQ game has low-key gotten pretty good. It's not the best built machine or anything, but it is fun and has improved a lot since its release. It needed to come in under 6k though.

[@vinylsolution2522]

Cuphead is a fantastic video game. Using the classic animated art style was Genius. Cuphead licence looks to me like a perfect fit for a small pinball company to get back on track. Very interested in Cuphead.

[@CaryHardy]

game is damn hard!

[@JediGillGaming]

I agree and the Designer of Cuphead will be Ryan McQuaid who created Sonic Spinball and that plays great as a home brew. Can't wait to see Cuphead, I'm sure it will be something fresh from American Pinball.

[@chadcowan8130]

Fix is running that company into the ground. I walked up to their booth at Expo day one. Went right up to BBQ as I'd never played it. Started playing only to realize there was a giant piece of foam left in the pops when they set it up. Checked all the others and they were the same. Pretty hilarious.

[@colemangreen4191]

This is true I have a picture - when I went to the AP booth on day 2 Fix was the only one playing in the bank of 3 BBQ games. Pinball machines only an unqualified and confused CEO could love.

[@joebristowtechnologicalbre2073]

Fix is delusional, he's achieved nothing but a flop on multiple games in many years, how he is still employed is a mystery.

[@chadcowan8130]

@@joebristowtechnologicalbre2073 Yup. Really disappointing. I thought American was really making strides a few years ago. Been all downhill since Hot Wheels.

[@Silvergun360]

I actually enjoy playing GTF at shows and such. It’s a game I would consider owning if I could get it at a good price. I am also excited about CupHead being a fan of a game, so hopefully they can get it produced.

[@Jesselovespinball]

The officer Doofy reference was pure gold Cary ! 😂 I told you not to disturb me while I’m cleaning my room ….. gets me every time ! Always appreciate you telling it like it is .

[@davidcohn7531]

Hey I live 20 minutes from American pinball. If they ever have a going out of business sale and I can get a really really really really good deal on a machine I might buy one. I agree that I don't want to see them fail too, but facts and reality are what they are. Bad decisions have consequences. I also have to say Galactic Tank Force is one of the most creative pinball ideas for a theme I have ever come across. Aliens stealing cows to prevent you from making a ice cream sundae and you shoot the alien space craft with your tank to rescue the cows. I picture about 5 guys sitting in a basement here in Chicago getting high and watching a movie like Wayne's World coming up with that theme and saying "Excellent!".

[@BluesElwoo2]

I've only ever seen an American Pinball machine at Pinball Showdown Expo in Denver. They never caught my attention. I would love to see more pinball companies do well though. I wish them the best.

[@Roca891]

Houdini was really interesting. Good theme, cool pinball moments. Nothing else from them has held my interest. I would have liked a whitewater 2.

[@pssstttchhh]

BBQ was a clown move. Totally out of touch with…well…everything. They were not in the position to pull that dumb shit off.

[@Zex-i4p]

And the price... Who have paid this shit for 7-8k?

[@SkitzoFPV]

I do agree... We can't afford to lose American Pinball.. We need more companies making pinball machines! I hope they get it together.

[@xStaman]

????? American pinball is 3D printed shit. I'll be glad when they're gone. Hot wheels is the biggest joke of a pinball machine ever

[@xStaman]

Having a pinball company that makes crappy machines for exorbitant prices doesn't help anybody. Imagine how many people bought one, had to call tech support endlessly,and then realized they'll get killed on the resale value so they're stuck with it. AP gives the pinball community a bad name and experience

[@1StepTooFar]

@@xStamanI agree GTF has some cheap looking 3D prints in it but what are you saying is wrong with HW? I think it’s a damn fun game.

[@cti1981]

Bbq pinball should have been 5k , I don't care for it but definitely would consider it at that price point .

[@lemongrass3945]

She should have fired Fix after the disaster release of GTF. He needs to a politician over promise and under deliver. I did want American to do well. Under the management of Fix he pushed this company into the ground. Hopefully the new parent company sees this and gets rid of him. If they do a restructure I think they still can save the company. They also have to push out 1 or 2 games a year. By them now possibly delaying it to January shows they are drowning

[@TurboTanuki]

I love the content, keep it up. Ordered a few of your T-shirts for myself and holiday gifts, so I can't wait for them to arrive!

[@CaryHardy]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@petetomaszek4273]

I had a issue with a machine, see link below, and I bumped into David Fix at TPF and he had no idea about how a pinball machine works, i felt like he was making stuff up as he went. 2nd the "new boards" are backwards engenered multimorphic p16 boards. I am pretty sure they stole the design.

[@robertisrael338]

Im not shocked one bit. Dave is treating the company like it's his toy. Making shit only he thinks is cool, hoping others will also like it. Houdini was neat and maybe Valhalla but the rest have been flops. They need to make a game people will want to play. Not just some campy novelty with a ridiculous price tag.

[@maikrog8793]

I own a HW, in my opinion a very nice and funny game. I hope they will make American Pinball great again.

[@petetomaszek4273]

Hot wheels is a great game, I totally miss mine.

[@bingobango3912]

I'm hesitantly optimistic about Cuphead. I love Houdini, but I know that no one is around that worked on that game. They really could do something fun with Cuphead, we'll just have to wait and see. Not sure how many more chances they'll have with the community and/or as a business if Cuphead doesn't do well.

[@dugmar01]

huge fan of Cuphead. Probably one of the best video games I’ve seen in the last 15 to 20 years. Not joking I cannot wait to see this machine and I may buy one.

[@kirkhobbs1473]

i personally think it is a bit of a stretch that X-Men is a good game. Stern pushes thier way through any criticism. our only option is talking with our wallet... an easy pass for me

[@CaryHardy]

code still needs work, but it's currently in a "fun shooter" phase. I like how the shots feel.

[@sadboi7537]

X-Men isn’t a bad game, just has really shitty code right now. Bond was the worst game in existence when it came out and now it’s an above average game. Code can either save or destroy a game.

[@joecaglitz8518]

I wouldn’t buy anything from American. They are heading straight to Haggisville

[@PinballheavenUk]

David Fix "Executive Vice President" or some crap he told me when I did the AP factory tour at Expo and I didn't say who I was (Their former UK distributor who told them to shove it)

[@ExpressoMechanicTV]

I'm surprised they are retiring Houdini and keeping Hot Wheels. Doesn't sound too good for them, which is a shame.

[@colemangreen4191]

That demonstrates the power of a good theme. Hot wheels is like a perfect pinball theme. Game itself is fine so I bet it is by far their most successful.

[@xStaman]

​@colemangreen4191 lmao. Hot wheels is 3D printed shit and one of the worst pins Ive ever played. Total junk.

[@colemangreen4191]

@@xStaman haha I mean there are worse, but its bottom 10% for sure. GTF is worse by a lot. I’m just saying it’s a good theme and the game itself is…playable. The code isn’t terrible. Most successful for AP isn’t saying much.

[@1StepTooFar]

@@xStamanI own HW and there is not one 3D printed part in it. WTF are you talking about?

[@christopherjordan5826]

@@xStaman My local arcade has a hot wheels machine and I really like it. It's got a great flow to it.

[@colemangreen4191]

Choosing to develop GTF and/or BBQ over WH2O2 is an absolutely crazy decision. If Nordman really had a design/playfield for it, man what a missed opportunity for them. It’s very surprising that AP still exists. Their game designs aren’t terrible but their flippers feel terrible and the games look/feel cheap to me. This might be a nitpick but I can’t stand how their lockdown bars are like…loose. The lockdown bars and flippers are the primary touch points for the player, you have to figure that out if you’re going to sell pinball machines. Fix those things and then we’ll talk about AP having any chance at all.

[@bobkloentrup2373]

It's a standard B/W style lockdown bar that's been powder-coated, if it's loose that's on whoever setup / is maintaining the game. Flipper buttons are standard stuff with standard leaf switches, nothing unusual there either. Now flipper feel can / was an issue especially early on Houdini because the power supply was not up to par. Once they resolved that and added the capacitor board to give them some more boost they're pretty good. The mechs are B/W but if you're going to to compare to a modern Stern, they definitely feel soft. Build quality will vary but their cabinets are very well made and their playfields are top-notch, much better than JJP and Sterns.

[@colemangreen4191]

@ maybe you’re right it is just what I’m used to. It’s not like a power thing though, it’s just a feel. I was playing some Volley and Firepower and Whitewater a ton recently and shooting those games is really fun, love the flippers. What is different that is causing my perception that there is lag or slop or softness in every AP game I’ve played, it’s not just Houdini. They’re just not fun to shoot, and I just don’t buy that all their stuff is some high quality. The powder coating feels bad, mechs are failing all the time, playfield gets very dimpled. I dunno, I just don’t agree that AP is putting out higher quality stuff than Stern, not to mention anywhere close to 90s B/W quality. If anything they feel less solid than even modern Sterns and somehow even Ninja Eclipse.

[@bobkloentrup2373]

@@colemangreen4191 I didn't mean to insinuate the flippers will feel like a B/W game. It's true they use the same physical mechanism but they are driven much differently and with a lower voltage than B/W. Their playfields are made by Bader though, and those are widely considered the best in the industry, sure they'll still dimple but certainly not as much as Micro (JJP) or Stern. Powder coating feel is rather subjective but I've never noticed them feeling worse or better than any other in that regard.

[@marcduncan616]

Galactic tank force needs to be licensed with Wall-E, it’s such low hanging fruit I can’t stand it. Tank tracks, game design, and swap the ship in the middle with the Axiom it’s all right there. Do the Spooky dual game release model. I’m worried they’re such hipsters that they won’t do it now that someone has said it publicly tho. Just kicking and screaming into chapter 7 it’s getting hard to root for them.

[@GeraldKirchner]

Not saying you are wrong, but on Pinago, they have 44 galactic tank force LE and 55 standard. It is still not good but that is more than 31 LEs on route.

[@CaryHardy]

So, when I said "Signature Galactic Tank Forces" @02:27....what did you actually hear?

[@skraegorn7317]

A Cuphead pinball machine should be electromechanical (or at least act like it is). It should look and feel like something from the 1930’s, maybe with some extra bells and whistles like music.

[@toolsntruck941]

We need another Williams company to surface! Stern needs a heavy competition keeps prices down and innovation up!

[@Pitbull0669]

Houdini and Valhalla were both their best games by far. If they Actually Hot wheels has real track in it and a ass ton of actually real cars it would have been WAY cooler

[@sadboi7537]

Incorrect. Hot Wheels destroys any game they’ve ever made. Houdini and Valhalla are average, at best.

[@Pitbull0669]

@sadboi7537 obv your opinion

[@Leesion73]

@@sadboi7537 disagree on Houdini, above average in my eyes, never played Valhalla but want to

[@sadboi7537]

@@Leesion73 Houdini is a fucking nightmare to play and is not fun at all. Over 50% of the shots are as wide as the ball, literally nothing on that game feels satisfying, the video mode is the definition of “lame” and that scoring system is TMNT levels of atrocious. Please though, continue defending a game that should be deleted from existence. Lmao

[@asherpedley6788]

I'm ngl definitely curious to see a cup head pin that's a risky ip for sure tho😂

[@curtisc8233]

Fix needs to go. I’m surprised the owners of Aimtron haven’t showed him the door, they must like losing money.

[@jaydehargis4873]

I LOVE Cuphead, from the art to the music, it could be a super cool theme for Pin. I sincerely hope it does well enough to keep the AP in business.

[@HD-ol5ib]

I have to say American Pinball games are under rated. They're not bad but they have some quality issues, I had a problem with one that was NIB, it was replaced several times and each time there was a problem out of the box. I like the original themes and I want them in my collection but they need to be built a little better. Maybe its the packaging...I don't know. However, I think they overpriced themselves with GTF when it first came out. I think we're all rooting for the underdog here.

[@jcg9998]

What I'd like some content provider to do is get information as to exactly how and why David Fix still runs American. It is obvious to everyone that he is grossly incompetent as the head of a pinball company. Why is this the case? Why hasn't he been fired? Does he have the most stock? Does he have an unbreakable deal? Is it too much money to buy him out? Does he have compromising pictures of the owners? When they released 'BBQ', I actually thought that it was like an April Fools Joke. You mean to tell me that they actually made a game that amounts Oktoberfest and eliminated all the fun, toys, art and animations and left it with just the BBQ part of Oktoberfest, one of the worst received games in pinball history and then decided to sell it for about the same price as Oktoberfest when it came out? This is almost incomprehensible. It's as if he is trolling the pinball community but doing so with real money. Is David Fix secretly a child of Elon Musk or Bill Gates and has unlimited amounts of cash to burn?

[@nick-8013]

I thought Valhalla was decent, not sure I’d want to own one for more than $4k though

[@ed150arcade2]

Idk if CupHead needs to be a top 10 pin, but it's gotta be special to keep them going and I hope it does! We need more pinball, not less.

[@stuartmcpherran5115]

AP are a bunch of cowards for turning off the KZbin comments on their videos because they can't handle the truth. Screw them.

[@LivingwithCable]

I feel like they have went backwards from the get go. To me, Houdini was their best game but they have steadily gone down hill since.

[@theJohnnyPinball]

So two shelved Whitewater II by Nordamn... AP & Deeproot

[@armin10211978]

Even if cuphead is a good game, we still have a David fix problem.

[@dominickolas]

Am I in the minority for never having played or watched cup head? I have heard of it, but it's not a big deal for me, but I heard it's good.

[@CaryHardy]

game is damn hard!

[@Srt8Adam]

I still have yet to get my gtf lunchbox… it’s been a year…

[@CasperInkyMagoo]

I know it’s a hot take but BBQ isn’t the worst game I’ve ever played…

[@jcoolstar6762]

I really want to try Oktoberfest. It looks like it shoots amazing. As rare as it already is here, it's a bit stupid of them to discontinue it. Now for BBQ, There are a lot of people who think that it's going to be a disaster for American Pinball and I honestly think this machine isn't going to sell here in Australia.

[@colemangreen4191]

@@jcoolstar6762 don’t worry, you aren’t missing anything and it shoots like poo poo.

[@1StepTooFar]

@@colemangreen4191not true. It’s a fun layout with lots to shoot at. It’s not a flow monster but that’s not the type of game the theme is after. You’re at a carnival shooting ducks and drinking beer, riding roller coasters and eating food.

[@jcoolstar6762]

@@1StepTooFar I'm interested in the one hand mode

[@tikibirdarcade6647]

American Pinball since Oktoberfest has shown they have the manufacturing down, but not the good games

[@michaelfokas8884]

For a company seemingly desperate for sales, makes zero sense why they'd hamstring themselves and screw over a possible White Water 2 release. Even if it was not great it probably would sell pretty well. I went to the AP tour and was both surprised and not with how small their manufacturing space was. Coincidentally David Fix was my tour guide and the way he spoke about the facility it seems like he's in charge of more than just the pinball business. We went through the entire facility and he was talking about how he moves employees from the pinball line to the CPU line when sales slow, and vice versa. I'm surprised you didn't mention the arcade cabinet they're going to be distributing or the return of their Flying Dutchmen redemption cabinet. Those are two additional signs that cash flow struggles are real. Also the fact that they screwed over Pinball Heaven in the UK as being their sole distributor by signing on with another (probably in an effort to dump cabinets from the warehouse). AP is legit the weirdest company man..

[@CaryHardy]

When I did an AP tour years ago they were still making the Dutchman then. Didn't think that was "new". This was before Hot Wheels too.

[@michaelfokas8884]

@ During the tour Fix did acknowledge that TFD did poorly and/or wasn’t well received so they didn’t continue with it. He said they had some renewed interest recently and that’s why they were considering bringing it back up. Basically seems like an attempt to get anything going if their games haven’t been selling well.. WHICH he did also acknowledge during the tour. He said that this summer was especially slow, but more attributed it to the market and not specifically saying AP was doing poorly (which I assume he wouldn’t say anyway).

[@CaryHardy]

@@michaelfokas8884 part of it is the market. The other part is that the spotlighted games aren't what people want right now. They are indeed trying to move inventory right now. I have already informed my patrons that distros are being offered games at even further discounted prices so they can clear their stock.

[@jth1670]

Personnally wanted an Houdini or Oktoberfest at some point. Now, not anymore. Was never interested un LOV or HW. But, then GTF was announced. I kind of like the wacky theme and the Artwork is fantastic. Saw the first few streams here and there and was not impressed at all...The animations, come on. Anoooooying. The music is OK, but the dubstep beat gets on your nerve. The shots did not seem really good. A few months past, and I got a chance to play it in may 2024. Had a blast and left pleasantly surprised. But, that was one game. Learnt that this machine was part of a collector which was starting a private club with membership. I had basically unlimited access to it from that moment. I doubt I was able to finish another game. And, I tried multiple times. So many bugs in the code. That's terrible. It will also lose track of the ball. Magnet would grab the ball and not drop into the VUK 9 times out of 10 but on the damn lane guide. It would freeze. Parts would come loose. Ball stuck on the tank Wings. Tank canon tip(which is a post) would fly into the machine. It's a disaster. Then, played also BBQ and was praying for the ball to drain to end the game as quickly as possible. Did not have a second of fun on this one. Those things made me not wanting their first two titles anymore. Now retiring them. Of course, you can have one on the used market for a good amount less. If I was still looking at them, I would not cobsider NIB cause I would not want to be the one taking the hit. I hope they could find a solution, but they would need a killer title with goods shots, music, animations, lightshow and CODE. They may be too far behind the competion right now...

[@jagdanielspinball4017]

I think cuphead is a great license ! If a game is good people will buy. Are labyrinth, elton john, or rush great licenses ? Nahhhh... But damn good pins ! I think it could work ! I am absolutely excited !

[@InternationalTravelCats]

I’m interested in Cuphead as a theme as it is a great classic game. I’m optimistic that the game will be worth buying as the theme I can see transposing in a pinball machine well. To be fair I own zero AP pins, so fingers crossed. They need to bring the price point down

[@djmarklaw1234]

I wish more companies would do original themes, but gtf ruined it for everyone by being a crap game. Houdini was okay of a game and hot wheels was cool, but that's all American succeeded with. Granted they have major issues that still make them not fun to own and maintain. The hot wheels at my local arcade can be turned on for maybe 6 hours and then all the flippers and launchers perform poorly due to over heating and we have to rest the game. "American" was usually a term that meant higher quality and craftsmanship, but not in regards to American pinball.

[@klcartini]

I wonder why everyone is hating on GTF so bad. It was the first pinball machine I bought when it came out in Germany and I'm still having lots of fun with it. Anything in particular pissing you off about it?

[@JeffreyNero-sk6jv]

Interesting! I’ve never played an American Pinball game. I saw a galactic tank force once all folded up and thought it looked like one of those old fire work tanks-oh neat, but I’ve heard it’s rather silly and not so fun. Seems gimmicky. I almost bought an Oktoberfest used. But then YOU showed how impossible some shots were and it wasn’t all that great. Ugh; as a partial German who likes beer, I really wanted this game to be cool! Looks like it’s not so hot. The build quality on their games seems good: typical coils and the like but better screens and speakers, cabinets. I really wish they’d succeed. The more companies making good games the better for everyone in the hobby. But how do they get back on track? Hmmm. Thanks for your insights; Let’s see what happens I guess?!

[@QUITTERMAKER]

Legends of Valhalla and Hot Wheels are very good pinball tables. i play them often at league and tournaments.

[@joeb3008]

I’m rooting for AP. I don’t want to see guys like Lloyd, Maurice, Nordman all get fired.

[@jaystengel7511]

I didnt mind gtf….when it was running.

[@seangriffin5644]

They messed up Hotwheels so…..

[@1StepTooFar]

How? It’s a fun game with a great light show, shaker integration, color/animations/music all on point, straightforward rules for the beginner with lots of stacking and other modes to go after for the more experienced player. The best skill shot plunge I’ve played in a game. Great multiball action. Team and VS. play. Etc.

[@MidniteClimax]

I was at expo all of Friday and Saturday and I can confirm that the AP "booth" was consistently the least busy area of games at the show. You could just walk up and play any game at your leisure at almost any time

[@doctoroctos]

Pinside should setup a gofundme, buy AP, and see what happens. Then I can stop hearing about pokemon.

[@tyarnold4088]

Wtf is a cuphead?

[@CaryHardy]

an old wooden ship from the civil war era...

[@tyarnold4088]

@@CaryHardy lol. What is wrong with those guys? These themes are comical.

[@christopherjordan5826]

Only machine I've played is Hot wheels and I think it's great.

[@SeanB-vo3ye]

Shelf cuphead for now and do the White Water 2 if you want to survive. Then more great titles after WW2 sells out

[@dennisd4027]

I'm not kidding here, but how do they stay in business? So disappointing after their first 3 decent releases.

[@seangriffin5644]

My son loves the cup head games

[@stringerfilms.]

Huge shout-out to American Pinball!

[@Arcadehollywood]

Stringer!!!

[@midlifearcade]

The Doofy clip got me

[@toyotaboyhatman]

AP has been in business for almost 8 years now. If you haven't figured out how to make a profit by now, time to close shop. As much as I love Ryan's homebrew, there's a big difference between building a one-off pinball and manufacturing hundreds of games (both for cost and ease of build). Sure hope with all the layoffs they kept a manufacturing engineer and purchasing source because setting up a line and coordinating part orders is a lot to manage.

[@BoogalooBeet]

I like playing Hot Wheels, but their other machines not so much.

[@craigcomparato9115]

Dave Fix is lost in space

[@prs44]

this once great company has gone to the bottom of the pool faster than a shatner wife. let them stay there.

[@patp9819]

i'm excited about cup head

[@Syrinx65]

You want to know the truth about 2024 and AP. Interview me, since I saw everything 1st hand

[@MauiPunter]

I love Cup Head. I guess I am on the only one who is excited.

[@patp9819]

im excited also but i still wanted sonic

[@gwildor8543]

I lost all interest in AP after their release of BBQ. I was considering GTF up until I heard about home owners having issues and AP technical support not being readily available to help. Add to that the issues I’ve had with the machine in the wild and I was out. I don’t foresee AP being around to much longer.

[@SpookyDeCat]

Love my goofy GTF machine. But it’s sad to American go off to the slaughter house.

[@willierants5880]

Eeh Cup Head could be cool, but AP just hasn't done a good job designing pinball machines. That said I'm going to remain objective. Let's see the game first. As for past titles. I really want to like AP, but man it's hard. I really don't like the head design. I really really don't like it. I don't even mind 3D-Printed parts if they are executed well. I even like BBQ, I think it's a descent game, but it has quality and code issues! I know this first hand. If any pinball manufacturer can't deliver on quality (durability) and decent game code they are not going to survive. GTF, I liked it, then I didn't like it. Mainly I really dislike the animations and cut scenes. It's very disjointed. You have this strange ugly low poly CGI then this high res acted scenes and the corn is over the top in an awkwardly bad way... Well I could go on, but I won't. Just know that I fully agree with Cary. He's not the bad guy, he's just saying what needs to be said and I thank him for it. AP consider this a PSA. In closing I reiterate, I'm keeping an open mind on Cup Head. I really hope you make something fantastic.

[@mooncloud6563]

Someone needs to do World of Warcraft... Warcraft whatever

[@CaryHardy]

For the Horde!!

[@JKHarrison13]

Cuphead sounds cool to me (insert shrug emoji)

[@LaneTheProjectGuy]

No factory tour for you!!!

[@clempocap]

This shirt was made in China - Homepin

[@BootsORiley]

i for one am shocked, Cary

[@BootsORiley]

Also, i think my wife is going to be ok with me getting one of the 10k Subs Shirts. pretty stoked

[@andreadibitonto6709]

bankrupt

[@chriskievit1963]

Maybe a good new title could be "American Pinball Disaster." The object of the game would be to save American Pinball.

[@johneldridge2082]

Not really the case imo with more manufacturers being better for pinball. When stern was the lone ranger back in the day games were quite affordable, different times i know but still very reasonable in pricing. In last 10 years with the emergence of several other major players there has only been significant increases and constant price gauging with companies tag teaming in bending us over and F@$king us hard!!! On another note whenever pinball influencers or podcasters get DF on their show they tip toe around him and throw the biggest softball questions at him. It almost feels like they're encouraging him and affirming his decisions when hes on these shows, so some responsibility needs to go to these shows as DF thinks that the feelings of these guys interviewing him is what the whole community is thinking also.

[@CaryHardy]

stay tuned... :)

[@pssstttchhh]

Imagine showing up to an irrelevant theme pinball competition and your competition is AP

[@damonddannaldson4677]

American pinball is a joke! Hot wheels was a wasted license in my opinion. Galactic tank force was horribly done as a project and and if they would’ve marketed it better and focused more on quality that could’ve been a great game. Hats off to Franchise for his artwork as that was phenomenal. Last straw for me is what transpired with Flip N Out and filling orders for games that were ordered and AP thought they could strong arm suppliers and/or buyers. AP is dead to me no matter what they make!!!

[@JeffreyNero-sk6jv]

Oh yea! Hot wheels! Seems like a cool theme to this guy, but again, heard it sucks. Please correct me if I’m wrong. I’m not trying to poop on a company. I WANT more companies making fun games

[@1StepTooFar]

HW doesn’t suck. Fun modes that have well synchronized light shows and shaker use. The animations and music are good. Shots are tight but makeable. Theme integration between redline mania, loop crash, and track builder multiballs are all good. There’s a fun race to complete, orbit to ramp is fun and smooth. Skill shot actually takes skill. Genuinely can’t find much wrong with it. It’s not the deepest of games but what’s there is a blast and code complete.

[@JeffreyNero-sk6jv]

Thanks for setting me straight! I loved hot wheels growing up. What you say about it not being deep but fun resonates with me. Simple can be great. I’ll have to find an example. Thanks again.

[@ericmiller3708]

Their best and only enjoyable pinball machine is Houdini. Everything else was a series of bad decisions.

[@CaryHardy]

That is their only game I enjoy too

[@seangriffin5644]

My son loves the cup head games

[@aaronroberts8601]

So what