American Reacts to English Football Subculture

[@ukoutdoors3022]

The 'casuals' thing started when English football clubs played in European competitions and their fans visited places like Milan or Rome - in those days the clothing brands in those places quite simply wasn't available in England. So those fans would steam a clothing shop that stocked desirable items - in other words just swarm the place and steal everything. So to be seen wearing that exotic gear was a sign that somebody had been on a European trip with the club and brought back some souvenirs.

[@robertjohnsontaylor3187]

Old English saying: if you want to act the savage first dress like a gentleman

[@phillblake6829]

Gentleman ain’t wearing no stoney 😂

[@zman2205]

@@phillblake6829you’d be surprised. Some of the nicest lads I know are your typical stoney wearing football lads

[@Robhalifax]

Violence was a much bigger part than he's making out. If you saw a bunch of lads in that gear you knew what they were there for. I was there in the 80's.

[@gruunt4064]

exactly, they are trying to romanticise it, I would definitely say the hooliganism element was the main attraction of the sub culture, you certainly wouldn't get dressed up in that gear on match day to strut your stuff in front of rival clubs, you specifically went for the violence and if you didn't get any it was a wasted day, the clothes were just part of that

[@BURNLEY87]

chasing you around the Shay in the 90s

[@BURNLEY87]

chasing you around the Shay in the 90s

[@Robhalifax]

@@BURNLEY87 Im a York fan but yes.

[@JohnnyBabylon90]

Dressed Right for a Street Fight 😊 The Mods have a lot of influence in British culture 🇬🇧

[@claregale9011]

It's very much tribal , football emotes passion and fierce rivalry .

[@michaelmedlinger6399]

Joel is a quick learner! One video about football, and he uses the British pronunciation for „derby“! Now we just need to get him to pronounce „Adidas“ correctly!😊

[@mikehull5042]

Lmfao 😂😂

[@petercresswell5402]

Says Adidas like a scouser so he'd fit in perfectly 😎😎

[@markmorgan6231]

You'll be walking around in a pair of Adidas SL72's and a stoney before you know it 🦢🦢🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@benjamin-ri2do]

Jack bastard

[@alf-laurenrhino6046]

Then when he's had his first set too, we'll promote him to gazzles

[@KyleOzz]

JACK ARMY 💪😉

[@markmorgan6231]

@@alf-laurenrhino6046 promote? That's a relegation in my eyes

[@alansmithee8831]

Hello Joel. I used to try not to look like a football fan as I went back and forth on the train from Manchester to West Yorkshire. I used to walk into Manchester and also did not want to look like a student, just in case I looked out of place. At the time Bradford City, Leeds United and Huddersfield Town were all in the same division and there were stabbings at places the rival kids might come into contact, like railway stations. From this they got known, by their faces, from showing up in groups. I would later wear replica shirts, but rugby league ones. People do not tend to be daft enough to set about rugby supporters, as they are usually tough working class types. Fortunately I am built like a cousin who played professionally, so looked the part. The only time I had anyone give me any banter was from two Scottish student rugby union players in a bar in Flagstaff Arizona. They were in their team jerseys and I was in an England RL shirt. I finished my bottle of Samuel Smiths Yorkshire bitter, a strange find on Route 66 and left, but only after they called their seven foot native American pal across. I had grown up watching cowboy films and was not about to wait to be scalped with a tomahawk. You really should watch a film called "The Football Factory" on your Patreon.

[@simonround2439]

I started standing on the terraces at Chelsea in the early 80s when the casual scene was just kicking off. I remember being at an end of season game looking at the crowd in the "Shed End" and it was a sea of pastel colours!

[@Ayns.L14A]

HI JOEL,it all started in the fifties and sixties, for the first time the "Youth" had expendable income "MODS", "Rockers", "Suede heads", "Original (non Racist) Skinheads" were born, with the boom of the 80's the transition to "Casuals", "Dressers" were born, wearing the expensive designer clothes Tacchini,Lacoste,Adidas,Puma, enter the drug scene, coke ,ecstasy... normally Casuals would meet up in their local Pubs before the match and all travel together, as they became more organised, more regimented organised fights pre and post match occurred also raids on each others local pubs, Again If this interests you Watch the movie "THE FIRM" starring Gary Oldman...this is the closest representation you will see and it will explain the whole culture..

[@mana3735]

You completely missed out the Bovver boys!

[@maxwhite8470]

The remake by nick love is also good. Obviously not as good as the original.

[@Ayns.L14A]

@@mana3735 don't forget the TED's 50's or Punks late 70's

[@zman2205]

Eli has a series called derby days that I’d definitely recommend checking out if you want to learn more about why certain games get so violent. Just a heads up that some of the more recent episodes are basically fully fledged hour long documentaries

[@alf-laurenrhino6046]

Rip paul Daniel's, very good friend of mine, tragically taken from us, with a tragic accident at work, legend , always stood side by side many of times, especially at Stockport

[@jimmyskyblue6057]

Sorry to hear your friend has passed away.

[@Uygkuyfkutfkytfkutfv]

Magic will never be the same without him.

[@abbyj9]

New subscriber from England love watching all your videos 😁

[@naebodyknows7016]

I have to admit I was involved in the casual scene from about 1985 to 90, from the age of 15. I got into plenty of fights and still have the scar where I was hit on the head by a bottle, thankfully I grew out of it, The rule was you never hit a scarfer , which basically means that you don't start fighting with normal football fans, although there were obviously times when they would be caught up in the trouble. The scene was very snobby and even casuals supporting the same team would hang in their own little crews and only team up on match day. I used to run with about 30 guys ranging from 15yrs to 25, we took pride in the way we dressed, lots of Armani jeans, Hugo Boss, C.P. Company, if you couldn't afford it or steal it then you couldn't join, Some of the guys used to shoplift or raid shops and sell the stuff to the rest of us.

[@James-ly3wf]

Football hooliganism is pure Clockwork Orange - steal some nice clothes and get a bit of ultraviolence ! Britain’s always been a fighting nation

[@MetalRocksMe.]

Congratulations 🥳 on 100K JPS!

[@urbanrider429]

A good friend of mine used to organise the England away trips

[@dfnffc]

The best way to take a look behind the curtain of it all is to watch one of the football hooligan films like Football factory or The Firm

[@geekexmachina]

Its something that is missed often when people make content about the UK so a lot of reactors find some things missing in their understanding. The UK in general has many sub cultures some of them are slowly disappearing. What he said abour music and clothes is true of otber subculture s but i would include film tastes and with some there are certain political lines and social or class similarities. It maybe worth investigating different subcultures.

[@dfnffc]

Correct. We're very tribalistic in Britain. I've noticed that a lot American's don't realise that we don't have a race divide and that ours is very much a class divide. The sub cultures are also a natural fallout from that

[@pepelemoko2820]

The Casual scene began in Liverpool, it was not that big in England really. However, it was massive ind so much more intense in Scottish football particularly with Aberdeen and Hibernian. Check out some of those vids.

[@betterthedevilyouknow4732]

It's darkest day was hysell stadium disaster 😢❤

[@brendanrogersisafatchristo4126]

Lacoste/fila/Sergio tachini tops, farah trousers and diadora borg elites and a Burberry scarf total cost in the 80's about 500 quids worth of clobber. Great times. Play up sky blues.

[@paulbriggs5238]

Haha, I live in Basildon, Essex, in my late teens casuals were everywhere, all west ham supporters, I am a west ham supporter, I wasn't a casual though, the casual called m6 friends and I smoothies and we were at war with the casuals, looking back that didn't make sense because I was selling moody casual wear to the people we were fighting, couod have made so much money lol, it was a crazy time I will never forget

[@AngelicUpstart1875]

I was a skinhead in the 70s then one day i came home dressed in armani and Burberry and my mom said i knew you would grow out of it little did she know 7 years later central news and the bbc would be outside filming my arrest lol

[@ChelseaPensioner-DJW]

Some say that Skinhead was the natural follow on from Mod who looked for European mainly Italian style, but it wasn't. Yes some of the clothes had come through simply because the style, Ben Sherman, Fred Perry, Levis and Wrangler. But the Casual to me has more of a direct link, Fred Perry changed to Lacosse and other Polo makers, Levis gave way to Fiorucci or Lois, Ben Shermans moved onto Dolce Gabbana and other European clothing, Farah Trousers had hung about from the Mod Culture. The main British clothes in the early Casual style were from the golfing world, Pringle and Lyle and Scott polos and pullovers. Jackets were either European sportswear or Suede and Leather. The main item of clothing that ran through all three were Loafer Shoes.

[@Purewalite]

You've got to go back to that era (79-86). The explosion of sportswear coming through sports like football, tennis, golf, even skiing was new and exciting. Massimo Osti and Olmes Carretti were legends. By the late 80s and early 90s you saw a lot more designer brands (Armani, Burberry, Aquascutum, Henri Lloyd etc). A semi mod revival happened in the 90s and Britpop era and it merged with the casual culture. The bands at the time were dressing like us.

[@andyturner7039]

My first Man City game was 1977. Since 1981 I’ve never bought a City shirt. You always wore your casuals. Peter Storm, ST, Lacoste…and always Adidas trainers, never Nike. 47 years later..I still don’t wear the club colours. Old habits and that.

[@flea1683]

Casuals also known as Perry boys in Manchester in the late 70s , got into some running battles between punks and casuals. After the Adverts at Middleton Civic Hall was pretty hairy and The Clash playing the Apollo on the police and thieves tour, had to fight on the way then riot police on the way back.

[@sugarynugs]

there are a bunch of football h movies like green street and football factory and rise of the foot soldier is more when the scene moved on in late 80s early 90s. youtube probably block me if i expand. sergio tacchini and ellesse were the big name when i was growing up. oh and diadora for the sneakers

[@davidstewart5567]

I was around then early mid 80s with SCF, Seaburn Casual Firm… Sunderland Unbelievable times that will never be forgotten or repeated. You know all your mates that’s how you no who’s the other firm. Any questions FTM

[@maxwhite8470]

Loved wade smith ( the shop) in there every weekend. Climbing the wall

[@danmayberry1185]

Malcolm McLaren made a mint off of middle class kids wearing the punk poverty look. Then "Weekend Offender" type marketing helped athletic brands, as did, say, Blur videos with Damon's zip tops. Same applies to US hip-hop culture. Let's rebel, and make corporations rich while we do it.

[@declanshanahan3888]

No it never.

[@petercresswell5402]

Bit of the Jam to kick it off. Lots of Fila, Adidas, Golfing jumpers, and curtains(haircut). Casuals probably peaked late eighties. Kind of grew out of the Mod thing if i remember correctly but rather than attaching to music it latched o to football. Interesting times, yeah cant go wrong with a pair of Sambas, still but them lol

[@unitedkingdomoffiveeyes9765]

It also hit the " rave" scene in 89 - 93 ish...the UK becuase of its size could muster a scene pretty easy.

[@djoannou1]

Joel, I think you should support US soccer as it would give you a much deeper insight into English football. To the best of my knowledge you have DC United down the road from you. When you support soccer, you are joining a worldwide community. I have learnt a lot by watching US soccer. It has been wonderful to see the passion, dedication, and commitment of these young players and fans. I find it interesting to see how far multipurpose pitches/fields are being used, or where the school soccer team is placed in the high school lip dub, what backgrounds do the players come from, etc. Watching US soccer makes sociology a really fun subject. The United Soccer League ("USL") is considering brining in promotion/relegation. If I am right, all major American operate on a franchise system. Promotion/relegation probably won't come to the USL for many years. But if it did come, it would really challenge the whole American sports system. You are right to call it football. The elephant in the room is that you have American Football. Most British people resent having to call football, soccer.. You don't really have to kick the ball in the American Football. I have watched a little American Football, and it doesn't seem to flow like football (soccer). In celebration of 100k subscribers, you showed your podcast where you are playing an NFL (American Football) computer game. I ask do you still support American Football as well as proper football? Dominic

[@tommy2gunz1]

You should watch a movie called ID it's about an police officer who goes undercover in the football hooligan world you will learn alot from that about how football firms work it's a classic 👍🏻

[@JanetTovell]

You need to watch a new series called Football Cops Channel 4 in the UK four episodes. Gives a good overview of Football culture, policing, rivalries and more. Covers a variety of games and leagues.

[@footylad99]

Joel I've been watching your videos for years but this is my bag I used to be a casual in the 80s and 90s and it was all about looking the part and what football club you support and defending the honour of that football team my was Manchester United 👏 where normally everyone else wanted to kick our heads in so you got used to having a bit of mither I still wear some of the gear might not fit me now because I'm 55 keep making the vlogs 👏 👍

[@paulmckee6942]

The difference between rival clubs back in the day was subtle. For example Man Utd fans might have earrings, whereas Liverpool fans didn't. A good book to read about it and being a fan in the 70's & 80's in Boys from the Mersey by Nicky Alt.

[@markrichardson6357]

Leeds service crew vs millwall bushwackers on you tube @ Elland road it's a 6 part documentary on football hooligans.

[@nicksealey7004]

Late seventies Early eighties, where it all started,,, best days never forgotten, friends to this day MUFC,,,ICJ ,,,🇾🇪

[@veganlukeygeeza7447]

Joel I’ve just sent you a message over on patreon about this topic mate and as always people consider joining this guys patreon 🙌 it’s always such a laugh and everyone in between 😎

[@jamieandtherandomstuff]

Different club's fans wore different brands so you'd be able to identify who was who. Fred Perry, Pringle, Adidas, Lyle & Scott, Burberry, Aquascutum, Fila, Barbour, Hackett and Sergio Tacchini were just some of the brands. If you want to check out more on the culture look up Cass Pennant. One of the leaders of West Ham's ICF (The Inter City Firm). The name came from the use of InterCity trains to travel to away games.

[@kevinmcelhone7905]

Best days of my life.

[@p4rls961]

a never grew up with football cause me old folks werent fussed abt it. coming into supporting me local league now 1 side. large majority are suited up in CP, Stone Island it's almost like a second uniform outside of the kit

[@williampne]

Started by Liverpool fans in the 70s, they was playing in Europe every season, they would come back with all the designer clothes from France,Spain,Italy, bought or robbed from the trendy shops. The rest of British football fans dressing like them came later.ps And im NOT a Liverpool fan,but i was around at the time late 60ts onwards.

[@Sian-me9wy]

I'm more stumped by the fact he shaved

[@thomassharmer7127]

"Getting my hands dirty" undoubtedly means fighting, and not just scuffling with fists but using weapons and causing (and risking) serious physical harm. Like all gang culture, the sense of group identity and belonging defined against some opposing group or groups is key to their attraction for adolescent and young adult males. These 'casual' gangs are not focussed on football as such, nor are they run by organised crime bosses or for any particular criminal activity (although there will be overlap among those involved). Their reason for existing is simply "the adrenaline rush" of fighting for its own sake. Large quantities of alchohol and 'recreational' drugs are typically involved too. The film Quadrophenia by The Who captures the earlier 'mod' subculture which had essentially the same mindset.

[@leedstown]

Try finding a 50 minute documentary called I, C, F, inter city firm it was made in 1985 when there was big numbers of casuals, up to 1000 lads at a lot of clubs

[@michael7286]

Many styles and fashions would probably start at a very young age in the local Youth Clubs around England and then carried through to the coming of age.

[@MrBaronCabron]

We grew up a little, you have to look out for the eastern euros now for their ultras...and Italy

[@BritishReaction]

Only by force really after we were banned from Europe several times!

[@GrizzlyAdams101]

This nation got soft as well.

[@stephenborland8129]

If you’d like a great read on the subject ..3 books with a good insight are ..the Perry boys ..the Perry boys abroad and the Liverpool boys are in town ..enjoy

[@CoalMiningTown]

Great times

[@jeffree9015]

They won't go in to detail because it will get them demonetised

[@daniellockett9975]

It weren't just about beating the rival firm in a row, it was about outdressing them as well. That's how it began. If your team won on the pitch on the day as well, that was 3 win's in a day.

[@user-hb2dv4ve6q]

By the way you mentioned why they wore Lacoste and fila and adidas. It was so we could avoid police detection, we never wore team colours.

[@Harry-ks5cj]

I guess I was a "casual" from the age of 12 to 18. My pals and I would go to Tottenham in whatever designer gear we could get. Obviously we all wore adidas trainers but apart from that I guess Lylle and Scott was our most popular brand because it was cheaper. One of mates even got his mum to sew a stone island badge on a jumper. It wasn't about getting into a fight, we very rarely did and only if someone attacked us. It was just about getting absolutely pissed, watching some footie and telling your mates you loved them. For some reason there was a rule that we could get served in pubs on match day. I still don't know why but age 12 we were buying pints. As for the comradery with fans of other clubs, that exists to a certain extent in a random service station or pub, but around the ground, no, absolutely not.

[@pauldonohue7536]

Hooligan wise, You wont see too many clips, because organsied fights are behind the scenes. Hooligans are groups of lads called "firms" and you organsie fights with other teams "firms" away from stadiums, and away from any cameras. The casual side of things is basically, just wear nice clothes and drink a few beers with your mates, but you can still be a target by other team hooligans on anway match, usaully pub or train stations because of your clothes, and your different accent. A fan will just wear a replica shirt of the team he supports amd aside from a bit banter at a match, hes mostly left alone

[@leegreenhalgh6677]

I'm in my late 50s and these kids from the 2000 plus will never understand, you went every game n that's 45 games plus every weekend across England n they all brought their lads to games, we were all naughty in our teens n early 20s in the 80s n regards clothes if I went to a game n saw someone wearing a Jacket etc that I was wearing that was gone it was the individualism but tied up in firms from 2 to 500 lads , a time that I'll never forget were you made mates who'd die for you..

[@Uygkuyfkutfkytfkutfv]

Check out the Michael McIntyre documentary on the Chelsea Headhunters; it’s the truest insight on the subculture - no romance or bullshit.

[@yutehube4468]

JPS it's not the same when some guy has a football shirt on, because he could be walking around with his 4 year old kid, often they are in the same shirts. It doesn't matter about those rival fans. You never start a tearup with people like that. When they have Stone Island on and you're around the same age and they don't have kids with them, you all know the score. That's when you either fight them because you support different teams, or join forces and start looking for Millwall fans, or whoever. Here's a good movie you could react to "The Firm" (1989) with Gary Oldman. It's only 1hr 8m but it's the best football hooligan movie.

[@PokhrajRoy.]

5:47 That’s called character development 😂

[@sportbilly9815]

True casuals will always hold their hands up and admit the odd defeat unlike in some of the fictional books where some lads would have you believe they were superman I wasn't a mod but i did navigate from the scooter scene with mates to casual scene with other lads from the outskirts of Leeds never had the flick haircut always stayed skinhead Shaved head pringle jumper adidas wimbledon trainers and lois jeans

[@CM-1723]

There's a video called Britain's most hated subculture football react to that one aswell

[@Sluetch90]

It comes to a point where they’re not there for the game.

[@jezbear1972]

52yrs old and lifelong Livperpool fan..... NEVER heard of the Casual Culture!!! lols

[@flashskywalker1980]

And yet I bet you subconsciously took part in it without even realising.

[@janeharris8991]

It was for pure violence & to fight end of!

[@FKU7777]

The clothing is or can be used as an identifier for “chaps” of like minded individuals. It’s not Stone Island crew V Lacoste, firms will have a mixture of known labels, within a firm, although ether are some regional sub variations. Firms know who their mates are, it’s not like in the 70s and early 80s when there was 300 v 300. It’s typically smaller groups but the consequences can be more nasty in terms of injury as a lot of stuff happens at pre-arranged places away from the police and more weapons used, plus the consequences in terms of legal/jail ramifications are huge. If I see a bunch of lads in “casual” attire, I can pretty much tell if they are simply “dressers” or likely to be “chaps”. You just know. Anyway good video and keep on doing them 👍

[@user-hb2dv4ve6q]

English football only? Scousers started the dressing and Aberdeen were the second casuals in the UK!! We did it just as good as the English and gave as good as we ever got from the southern lot. Good old days if you were there when it mattered in the 80’s you know what it was all about!! Best days of my life I’ll never forget it.

[@Heisenberg-Blue]

These are hooligans who fight the third half. Check out the movie Hooligans.

[@maxinesmith1258]

My last memory of taking my 8 year old son to watch Birmingham City play Aston Villa (a derby) and I couldn’t get him out of the stadium, flying glass, bricks, fists and blood. Terrified

[@wayneprice2737]

If your going to an away game the aposing fans would recognise your accents then it would go off or you announce who you are by singing one of your teams songs then they know who you are .

[@ChelseaPensioner-DJW]

You could tell before their mouths opened, just looking at what they were wearing told you what part of the country. And that goes back to the 60s.

[@DapoOlasiyan]

You could spot them a mile away, towards the end it was Burberry. If you see a group of guys in Burberry you knew they were up for a fight.

[@billyedwards6941]

In the early days Liverpool fans going to games in Europe would rinse sports shops en masse and come home with lots of goodies

[@urbanrider429]

It’s all arranged before hand

[@improvesheffield4824]

I think the reason you’re having trouble in getting it is that there’s nothing to get - it’s a nothing burger. The term ‘casual’ is a modern take on historical culture and events that weren’t connected at the time. It’s a crass attempt at rewriting history. What I mean by this is that there were many fans who would wear Stone Island and Adidas trainers who weren’t ’Casuals’, who didn’t get into fights and there were plenty of fans who did wear their teams shirts and were hooligans. The problem with being part of a gang or cult of this kind is that it becomes very inward looking; you’re very aware of what the in-crowd is doing but not so much of dynamics happening outside your group such as fans simply getting into fights because their team has lost with no other social or cultural connection other than they support the same team and they’re fighting fans from the opposing team. Therefore, the urge to overemphasise the impact that your small cliquey gang had on wider society is blown out of all proportion compared to reality.

[@matt-fh6hb]

Well said.

[@SimSim-zf9if]

The clothing was very secondary it was getting one over the visiting fans crew.

[@Silentauditor974]

Bomber jackets have never died. I’ve only got 8 😂

[@davidclark3603]

I think you might be right!!!

[@leeharbord6227]

The hooligans are still around but for the majority of us it's just about looking good, finding a piece that stands out that nobody else has got. It's not just the big league football teams either, This is just as popular in non league football. I'd go as far too say it's being football It's now just a way of life.

[@ninjamonk3y1987]

You identify people by their accents. People supported their local sides and were easily identifiable. Its not the same today where 8/10 man united fans have a southern accent and 9/10 liverpool fans have an irish or nordic accent

[@max-LUFC04]

football hooliganism has calmed down nowadays, probably due to all the consequences police are giving, bans, arrests and even no flying abroad. it was mainly back in 80s and dont know if its sensationalised within movies and books but i think you'd have whats called firms for each football club, im a leeds united fan our firm is called the service crew. and you'd always have someone organising fights, so they may have other firm leaders phone numbers and would literally organise a fight. Once again i could be way off but hopes this gives you a little help if your wanting to know more about it. id say watch green street, think its similar to what actually goes off but is massively over the top cos they need to make a film out it.

[@PokhrajRoy.]

You should react to videos from Search Party. They do videos on sports and geopolitics.

[@betterthedevilyouknow4732]

You can pay £300 for a stone island top & always get refused entry 2 a nite club just for wearing it ❤

[@Shaun.ALAW.]

Police could keep rival fans apart by their club colours, and so crack down on hooliganism. So the hooligans became invisible and visible by their clothing. The police didn't know which set of fans were which. You knew who the opposition crew were, because they were dressed casual and weren't part of your crew.

[@brendanrogersisafatchristo4126]

Aberdeen football club in Scotland kick started 'soccer casuals' there was a lot of money swilling about Aberdeen in the 70's and 80's because of North sea oil.

[@user-hb2dv4ve6q]

Aberdeen we’re the first casuals in Scotland aye, but The scousers started it. And we wur the best CCS ☝️ 🇳🇬

[@Rebornagain101]

Hahaha my 3 year old wears stone island and cp company

[@andysheppard8346]

Watch the film greenstreet

[@peterarmstrong6928]

Casual bloody casuals,,the book,, about Aberdeen casuals,,the beginners 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@PokhrajRoy.]

Next video should be about Mods

[@thomasferguson5478]

I almost got a kicking in Aberdeen years ago for wearing a Stone Island jacket, group of lads just assumed I was a casual

[@_Professor_Oak]

Dude talking about him and his boys on game days riding the tube all day getting into fights and Joel is like "what did he do to get in Jail?" 🤔🤔

[@jgraham01900]

'Fair game' means that he is going to kick the shit out of them...

[@Allegro_Giusto]

Still a minority of fans with the 'hooligans'. There are other European groups who are a lot worse now as ours has toned down in that regards.

[@CB-ms2cq]

Still happens today but nowhere near as bad. Back in the 70s or 80s if you watched football you were judged for being at the same level of a criminal that's how bad it got. But overtime the game has become more family-friendly and its more turned into fashion to wear stoney or CP than an actual cult or gang etc Weird time in history

[@jabieday3827]

Watch Green Street, the most popular film that covers football hooliganism and the casual movement

[@natansell7598]

Watch football factory or green street hooligans

[@paulbromley6687]

Get your hands dirty is a brilliant way of saying if I said here what I did then it’s a confession and it’s back to prison. So I can see why he’s being cagey.

[@MrSteve831]

Hibs ccs .

[@Darrenbfc]

Everybody wearing stone Island now probley coz of the movies .. probably makes them feel like ther in a firm lol