American Reacts to The Norden - Police

[@mickpalmer6213]

I was once after a Christmas party so drunk I fell asleep, and the police came, and took me to the drunk tank, so I wouldn't freeze to death. This was in copenhage station 1, next day I had breakfast with them and laughing about me and my idiot falling asleep. I wasn't arrested, they just took care of me, and made sure I was okay.

[@michaelmay5453]

That's most of what they do, take care of people too drunk to take care of themselves. They drove me home after a night out when I broke up with my then girlfriend and started walking home in a not so straight line. They are generally really good people that take their service as a SERVICE to the community they work in.

[@ville9738]

when i was walking drunk, police stopped me and asked if everything is fine. i started laughing and asked "does it seem that everything's fine" and then they offered me to take me home and they did :D

[@juhakarimies6017]

Heidi, you are wonderful. In Finland, police training takes about 3 years. I was a police officer myself for 34 years. In my entire career, I never fired a single shot while on duty. The gun has indeed been on display several times in different situations. I've never understood why the American police officers shoot the magazine empty in every situation? Best regards Detective Sergeant ret.

[@Biomirth]

We have lost our refinement in terms of violence. Unfortunately it's playing out on social media as well, which infects everyone who participates. Institutions and cultures take eons and care to create, and a handful of idiots to demolish.

[@vinceaaron8921]

hard to testify against if you are dead. so they make sure.

[@MrMartinSchou]

> I've never understood why the American police officers shoot the magazine empty in every situation? A lot of US police is trained to have the mentality that EVERYONE wants to kill you. That the US is essentially a warzone, and that everyone who isn't a police officer is THE ENEMY. Which is fucked up. And what's more fucked up, is that US military on deployment in actual warzones have far stricter rules of engagement than US police do in the US. Which is how you end up with absolutely insane scenarios that sound made up. Like when a US police officer opened fire at his own police cruiser and the handcuffed person in the back seat, because an acorn landed on the roof of the police cruiser, and the officer thought the sound it made was a gun going off. And, of course, the officer's partner heard the gun shots from the police officer, and decided to shoot at the car as well. apnews.com/article/florida-deputy-resigns-acorn-shooting-dc574fd2cd182fadf6a238d8b1b2b4f6 Thankfully neither officer were particularly well trained in the use of a firearm, because they managed to miss the HANDCUFFED person unable to escape the back seat entirely.

[@kokkolintu3528]

As a finn, thank you for your service as police and I hope you have a nice retirement. 😊 Seeing a police car/ police officers always makes me feel safe, and they are always so down to earth, calm and helpful. Of course there are some bad apples in police force, like in any job, but all in all I feel like finnish police is professional and genuinely there to help people. (Kirjoitin nyt enkuksi että muutkin ymmärtää 😅😅)

[@juhakarimies6017]

@kokkolintu3528 Thanks for the nice comment. At 58, I had the opportunity to retire from the Helsinki Police Department. Now already my eighth year as a pensioner here in eastern Finland. Yes, there have been those bad apples in my time in the police too, unfortunately. Fortunately, only a few. However, most police officers are decent and honest. Lämpimät kiitokset 😃

[@MakooWallinen]

I just want to point something out: While some police has to ask for access to their guns and so on, and taser is more of a go to than a gun etc. We do have SWAT teams and they can go in guns blazing, we have anti terrorist police that basically do anything but blow up the building. It is not like we are not prepared for guns to show up, we just do not escalate at every possible oppurtunity.

[@michaelmay5453]

This is different from Sweden where tasers are not in use at all. We also don't have specially designated unites, they are part of the regular units but with extra training.

[@MakooWallinen]

@michaelmay5453 i was specifically referring to the National taskforce when writing this. Nationella insatsstyrkan whose members were previously working as normal cops and as part of this taskforce, but today they are 100% members of NI.

[@michaelmay5453]

@@MakooWallinen Sure, and in Sweden what I said still holds true. NI as part of NIK is still regular police but with specific training.

[@petertraveller6421]

Yes in US they have those Swat teams and they kick the door in middle of the night, but they are so incompetent that they go to wrong address. They cause 100k damage but not willing to compensate to the innocent people. Sometimes they go to right building, but wrong floor, it's super disgusting.

[@helenefrick7188]

UK police doesn't carry weapons.

[@AHVENAN]

The police force is one reason I would never even set foot in the US, not only are ALL of them undereducated, way too many of them are either corrupt, or they're power-hungry and alot of them almost seem like they're out LOOKING for a fight, they don't know what the word DEescalation even means, they only know the opposite... Here in Finland I completely and entirely trust our police force, I know they recieve plenty of education before becoming officers, about three years of full time university level studies, and continuously keep training and educating themselves throughout their whole carrers. I'm never more nervous than normal when being stopped by the police, meaning of course you're always a bit nervous about why they're stopping you and wether or not you're gonna get a ticket, but those are the only concerns on my mind if I am stopped, the thought that I might end up getting forcibly pulled out of the vehicle, thrown to the ground, beaten or even shot never even enters my mind cause I know that just won't happen. I have personally, on several occassions, walked up to an officer and asked questions or asked for advice etc, they're always very friendly and helpful, if Im in a situation that warrants it, there is no hesitation at all in my mind about approaching a police officer I see out in public.

[@JohanHultin]

excuse you, in "american" descalation is killing the perp (This is a joke, by the way, I mean it's true but you know..)

[@Arguments_only]

@@JohanHultin there is no de-escalation only escalation apparently in the US.

[@bronwolff]

Whenever i see a marked cop car in my rual village... i wave at them. 2 reasons 1. Its rare 2. If they do pick me up for being drunk... they go.. oh its wave guy

[@Koofuku1ce]

Lol same. There's places I want to visit in the US, but I wouldn't want to risk being in a country with horrible infrastructure and crazy people with guns all over who might shoot at someone if an acorn drops near them

[@Karl-me4mh]

A huge part in not having so much crime in the first place plays having a social system that doesn't allow people to become so poor, they don't even know how to feed themselves anymore. Another thing is gun regulation. Since the Criminals, that are left after eliminating rock bottom poverty are not acting out of desperation, and know police will not immediately fire at them, they are less likely to feel the need for a gun, less likely to get a gun, and less likely to fire a gun. Basically 2 main things americans hate could help with the violent crime and cop situation in their country: Social Security and Gun Control. Free education for everyone, better police training and education and not having prisons being a business also helps.

[@True_Heretic]

Totally agree. Crime costs soooo much, socially security a lot less. And ill health costs so much as well. A more caring system could save an incredible amount of money, bringing down tax levels and allowing serious investment into society. But its all anathema to Republicans. They only seem to care about what's in their pocket. What happens down the street is nothing to do with their pro-gun, pro-poverty, unAmerican stance as far as they are concerned.

[@paddington1670]

yeaaaahhhh but you know Americans dont care to change

[@Youtube_Stole_My_Handle_Too]

You've completely turned the situation on its head. The Norwegian people need protection from a corrupt government. No one steals more, and no one creates more victims by prosecuting victimless 'crimes.' Only the people should be allowed to carry arms in Norway and have the right to defend themselves against actions by public officials.

[@True_Heretic]

@@KZbin_Stole_My_Handle_Too You sound like a Libertarian. We have those in the UK as well. I'm sick of them.

[@Youtube_Stole_My_Handle_Too]

@@True_Heretic It is a good thing you are sick, but are you sick enough?

[@velbe]

One other small thing (on top of the Finnish police talking about "customers"). When the two Finnish police men are showing their gear (7:30), you can hear the police talking saying in Finnish "don't take (or show) the gun". The gun needs to stay in its holster, otherwise I believe there is a need to write a report and investigation of an incident with a gun involved. Also the graph in the beginning, is comparing shots fired by police in a year in the nordics vs. a month in Los Angeles. The whole Norden-series is really interesting, I highly recommend it.

[@anjagrue]

In Denmark policeofficers go to policeacademi for 4 years.

[@BenjaminVestergaard]

And the ones carrying firearms have to attend the shooting range 2-4 times a year, and every time they draw their guns, there's paperwork to do, even if no shots were fired. It's supposed to be their last resort, and rightly so. But I still find comfort in knowing that every one on patrol carries a side arm... things can escalate quicker than an armed unit can reach the scene. In general I'd say that if you get a Danish officer to draw the gun, you already effed up big time. Because they also do regular practice whether they can catch up and tackle a person without using weapons.

[@chardington3412]

@@BenjaminVestergaardDanish police patrolled without weapons until 1965, when Palle Sørensen shot and killed 4 police officers in Copenhagen. And it was very much against the will of the police, that it was changed, the police on patrol in England do not carry weapons still, and for the same reason that the Danish police was very reluctant to start carrying. If the criminals know, that they will not come up against an armed police, then they too do not have a need to carry.

[@hushus10021971]

Difference between The Nordic and US is, people or citizens trust the police

[@hanes2]

bet it's a requirement to watch the police academy :D

[@BenjaminVestergaard]

@@chardington3412 you're correct about timing and reasoning. But I really doubt that it's because of our police officers are armed that the criminals are armed... That's more about how tough gangs have gotten towards each other... If you watch the Politijagt and other "follow the police" reality series... you'll see that even criminals that do have weapons on them or along with them in the car, hardy ever try to use it against the police. They have the weapons for if another gang manages to surround them. Because the gang members know that you basically have to bulldoze their (police) vehicles before they draw their side arm. Most often they'll just let the police take their weapons, and blame it all on one guy, that goes to prison for it, while they'll donate to his "pocket money" so the stay will be livable. It's not our police pushing the threshold up... that's for sure.

[@kennethburridge862]

I live in Denmark and though we are both a part of the Nordic and Scandinavian countries the police do wear guns here but they are very very seldom used (even drawn) , because police here and in most countries in Europe are both trained in using them , but most of all trained in how to NOT use them . Love your show :)

[@HailHeidi]

"trained in how to NOT use them." I LOVE that!

[@JesperSandgreen]

@@HailHeidi Danish Police have been armed for more then 60 years, they also wear bulletproof wests, pepperspray ect. In 1965 it was decided that all danish police should bear arms when patroling, this happend because 4 policeofficers i Copenhagen where shot and killed by a robber on the run. But even before that, some policeofficers was allready armed. They 4 killed policeofficers where armed too...

[@pete_lind]

@@HailHeidi The shooting statistic LAPD does not handle whole LA area , nearly half of it is under LASD (LA County Sheriff's Department) and then you have tiny Beverly Hills police department BHPD, thats the main problem in USA, too many PDs and every PD does their own training and Sheriff's are elected. European countries have typically only one national police, same training for all and getting in to police academy is not easy.

[@aritakalo8011]

At 7:30 the Finnish offficer (presumably the senior ranking of the pair) says (not translated for the subtitles) to his colleque "Don't take out the firearm" (aka unholster his sidearm pistol). Since as with Denmark, police officer drawing firearm publicly is a serious matter. You only do it on absolute need. Tazers, batons, other equipment, sure show that off. The pistol? No that is the serious end of the job, you don't just whip out the sidearm in public to show it. You just say "Yeah the firearm is there, if it turns out to be necessary/unavoidable to use it".

[@Azvokadoo]

Its only Norway and Island that dont wear guns. And I was thinking the that the Nordic knows how to fire a gun but how to not fire unless its the only way. I guess alot of it have to do with the training, Nordic have between 2years and 4 month up to 3 years depending on the country and the USA have much less. And also from what I get from movies and so on. In USA you fire to hurt or kill but in the Nordic you fire to dissarm and stop the gunman, not to hurt or kill. I can be wrong but its what I have heard and seen in movies.

[@operatori]

Only the police in Norway don't carry firearms. They prefer battle axes.

[@HailHeidi]

😂

[@FrankShortt]

So true heia norge 🇳🇴

[@SK-nw4ig]

They do now though, right? Because if the terror attacks.

[@mortil]

thats because Norway is the place you go to if you go to Hell. and you can take the train there. ;)

[@evafegolfina1603]

The Viking style. Lol.

[@MikkoTikkanen]

One thing to remember is that practically all Finnish men have military training because of the conscription service, which includes regular training exercises throughout the years to keep you up-to-date. In addition the police trains separately with the military all the time as that is one of the corner stones of the Defence Forces (defence on all layers, civil and military), so they might not be as "unprepared" should something happen as the LAPD officer thinks.

[@michaelmay5453]

An uncle of mine has been a police officer in Uppsala, which isn't the calmest of places in Sweden, for 35 years. He has never fired his gun in service nor has he been in a situation where he felt it necessary to be armed at all.

[@bronwolff]

My uncle pulled his gun out when a drug crazed guy tried to rush him with an axe... at least thats uncles story 😂

[@roberthpilesund384]

The policeman in Norway that got killed on duty, were in the process of moving a mentally ill man from an apartment, when the guy suddenly grabbed a knife and started stabbing. Not sure a gun would have helped in that situation. A retired friend of mine worked as a nurse for mentally ill people until she retired. Plenty of agressive people, but she never needed a weapon. She however, could talk you to give her your wallet, and then thank her for taking it.

[@janfrodeengh5904]

When? Where?

[@roberthpilesund384]

@@janfrodeengh5904 The policeman Olav Kildal at the Helgeland police district, together with a police student, was to help with the transport of a mentally ill man. When the man was to be picked up from his home, he took out a knife and cut Kildal down without warning. This happened in April 2010.

[@janfrodeengh5904]

@@roberthpilesund384 Thanks. Yes. I remember it now.

[@formatique_arschloch]

In Finland police are one of the top most trusted professionals of all professions. Been like that for deceades. In the same group with doctors, nurses, teachers, veterinarians, pilots.

[@lucone2937]

In 2000-2024 only 12 Finnish people have died because the use of force and firearms by the police in extreme circumstances. The Finnish policemen use their firearms rarely because they have been given very good training and strict instructions as when this kind of extreme use of force is necessary. In most cases the police can handle the situation with a reasonable talk whether it's a crime, domestic disturbance, traffic accident, etc.

[@kokkolintu3528]

@@lucone2937 I think this is a very important point and something that seems to be forgotten in USA. That the criminal is a human being, who can be reasoned with - maybe even helped.

[@cyberfunk3793]

@@lucone2937 It's not about the police training but because the criminals aren't armed with weapons either. Obviously if the criminals had AK-47 like in LA, the Finnish police isn't going to calm down the situation just by their training.

[@lucone2937]

@@cyberfunk3793 Police education in Finland is provided by the Police University College in Tampere. The basic police degree is a Bachelor's degree, and it takes three years to complete the studies. During the Bachelor of Police Services degree studies, students learn practical knowledge and skills needed in police work. The degree qualifies to the position of a Senior Constable. Upon graduation, the police officers usually work in basic tasks in public order and security activities or in crime prevention. Surely Finnish criminals might have legal and illegal guns, but most of cases can be handled without extreme use of force. In recent years Sweden seems to be much more violent country because of gang crimes. According to European crime index in 2023 for instance Sweden was #4 and Finland was #33 on the list of 42 countries.

[@cyberfunk3793]

@@lucone2937 I don't know why are you telling me all of this, I'm Finnish and know all of it already. The reason Finnish police don't shoot so often is the criminals and situations are not the same in the country, compared to US. Training has very little to do with that. Nothing about police training is that much different against an armed suspect, both are going to shoot them obviously in self defence if the suspect aims or shoots at them. Slight difference might be that Americans have more accidents, in situations where the suspect actually wasn't armed and they shot them anyway. That isn't going to happen so often in Finland. But even that is largely due to the totally different environment: when you are policing an area where half the suspects are armed, that is what you are going to assume will be the case going in.

[@Gazer75]

The police education in Norway takes 3 years and gives you a bachelors degree. You can add another 2 years to get a masters degree in police science, investigation or information security.

[@Grumpy_old_Boot]

The people that made this video, also made some others, i would like to see you react to : --> *The Norden - Nordic Prisons* --> *The Norden - Religion* I think they could both be properly mind-blowing to your US audience 😀

[@barjel7951]

15:00 Love that image setting when he speaks of people walking around without turning their heads back in fear and the "Utopia" in the background. That's so compatible.

[@JaikoFin]

Police said "customer" because of Finnish language, but it's client. They keep people safe even from self harm.

[@ane-louisestampe7939]

Decades back a Danish money transports was emptied by a couple of armed robbers. People cried: "We need to arm the drivers!" The drivers said "No thanks." The police "We'd rather not." the experts said "Bad idea" - and explained: If we arm the drivers, the robbers will just show up with something way heavier, And before we know it, we have a dead driver on our hands. We'd rather they just hand over the money, without making a fuss!

[@viktorgabriel2554]

and now Sweden has a Granada problem and Denmark is thinking of closing the border to Sweden

[@PeekabooEUDK]

@@viktorgabriel2554 yeah no... Source? Trust me bro

[@Grumpy_old_Boot]

Also, they had GPS trackers in the money bags ... the people were arrested soon after. 😁

[@mascot4950]

@@PeekabooEUDK Norwegian here, so I can't speak for Denmark, but there are populistic politicians over here that argue for tightening up the border to Sweden due to their current crime issues. I think one thing we can all agree upon from available evidence, is that more guns don't seem to solve a whole lot of problems except for gun manufacturers' sales numbers. It might be unavoidable to permanently arm the police even here, but it's really a symptom of failure rather than a solution.

[@PeekabooEUDK]

@@mascot4950 We all know why the crime rates are going up in Sweden but let me be clear. Denmark is NOT considering closing its borders to Sweden. That is simply just not true. Which is what I responded to

[@MrMartinSchou]

22:18 - To put 90 rounds into perspective, in 2012 the LAPD had four pistol models for its officers to choose from, Smith & Wesson Model 5906, Beretta 92FS, Glock 22 and Glock 17. The Glock 17 has a 17 round magazine, the other three have a 15 round magazine. That means they six magazines at the driver, and they managed to kill him. If you read articles about the shooting, it turns out that eight people opened fire at the car, which suggests that in reality the number is probably closer to 120 rounds, as 8 x 15 = 120. The driver turned out to be unarmed.

[@michaelnolan6951]

Hi Heidi! I grew up in New Zealand, which has the British tradition of unarmed basic police officers. What was fairly interesting was after our worst ever mass shooting in 2019 where a racist foreigner lit up two mosques in quick succession ( including one only about 200 meters from my intermediate (middle) school), the Government flat out banned semi automatic firearms in only a couple of weeks, with the vast majority of private gun owners essentially said: "Yeah, that seems fair enough" and cooperated fully with Police disarming vast numbers of people.

[@AnnInghamlife-goals]

Same in UK after Hungerford shooting in 1987. After that gun control was tightened. Only limited types allowed.

[@skodass1]

27:45 yes Beanbag... its a cloth bag filled with beans shot from a shotgun and used as a less than lethal option.

[@ingvartorma9789]

As heard, LA cops only have 6 months of training, which is very poor. In Sweden, as you heard, the åolis education is 2 years and after that it is 6 months aspirant education. This is what you have to learn in Sweden to become a police officer. The studies take their point of departure in police work and the police's tasks, regulations and methods. The studies also include subjects such as law, criminology, nursing science, behavioral science, social work and political science. This requires 120 university credits. In Finalnd, the police training is 3 years and 180 university credits. IN NORGE: The Norwegian police training. Has been a three-year university education since 1992. Is six semesters long. About ten months is an internship In Denmark In Denmark, police training is three years long with a total of 14 months of practice. This high level of training the Nordic police officers have means that they treat people better than the American police and not as shooting crazy as American police officers. This proves that the US should train its police officers better than the training they have today, so the US should follow us in the North when it comes to training police officers.

[@alexanderkupke920]

Not topic of the video, but I can say that compares very much to Germany. we used to have a police carreer without university, but I think currently no state uses that career path any more. I think it is as well about around 3 years, maybe 3 and a half, with part of it accompanying experienced police officers as a trainee ("Polizeianwärter", translates like police candidate, but Anwärter is just the word we use for any officer not yet finished, but in training on the job). Here, the studies are more like administrations stuff, but part of the police training is a lot of deescalation tactics. I would guess that is very much the same in the nordic countries. But then, people up north seem to be the most chilled characters across Europe anyways.

[@ingvartorma9789]

@@alexanderkupke920 Which country do you live in? Because it is not clear which country or its training you have for your police officers.

[@alexanderkupke920]

@@ingvartorma9789 It should be, it says Germany right in the very first sentence ;)

[@mortil]

Yep. and even under the Aspirant you can be neglected to become a police if you do not reach the expectations of your superior adviser

[@JohnBjerregaard]

I am from Copenhagen Denmark. One summer I encouraged my daughter 6 years old ,to talk to two police officers present at a central square. They asked her if her daddy had bought her an ice creme today? we all had a good laugh and i bought my daughter a icecream

[@mynewname7830]

How it should be. Glad I am not living in the hellscape they call the United States, united as my bowel movements.

[@UltraCasualPenguin]

Yes, he said "bean bag". Bean bag round is fired with shotgun. It doesn't kill but I've heard it hurts like hell. You should check Norden's episode on religion and see how shocked pastor from southern US state experienced religions in nordic countries.

[@BrinkyBrunk]

called "less lethal" because they can indeed be lethal

[@Luggruff]

@@BrinkyBrunk indeed!

[@sismofytter]

It can kill you and that's why it's called a less lethal weapon 😉

[@macjonte]

Met a really nice policeman in time square when visiting. We even took a selfie. 🤳 Have several police friends of both genders in Sweden, total about 30 years. Neither has ever fired their gun. I’ve been around Finland for months, it feels like the safest place I’ve been. Just awesome people and country.

[@KeesBoons]

The LAPD captain doesn't make a lot of sense in his end conclusion. He's totally focused on life threatening situations, which is only a very small part of the work of a police officer, at least in the Nordic countries, and in the Netherlands and many other European countries as well. I wonder how many of these situation in the US are created by the way the US Police operates. I don't know what the situation is in the Nordic countries, but here in the Netherlands we have special units which are being deployed when life threatening situation can be expected. Most of the regular police officers never get into these kind of situations. By the way, if a police officer with that smile came in my direction, I would be convinced that it was a criminal approaching me.

[@PurpleAlienPlanet]

The guy was prejudiced, made up his opinion beforehand, and would not possibly see anything wrong with the way they operate in the States.

[@rahjaich]

yeah, it's kind of a self-fullfilling prophecy. The suspect is armed therefore I need a gun, and from there the spiral escalates

[@Henrik_Holst]

"I don't know what the situation is in the Nordic countries, but here in the Netherlands" - The same is true in the Nordics.

[@KeesBoons]

@@Henrik_Holst Thank you Henrik. I assumed that was the case, but as said, I didn't know.

[@65Tedybear]

The US police has one big problem (apart from their poor education): Their officers are alone! I know from my homeland, Germany, that police officers are at least in a 2-men-team and in all videos I have seen for the last year whenever there was police, be it just drivig in their car or be it interacting directly with people, they appear in 2s. Any situation is decidedly less dangerous if you have a partner who stands back and keeps the whole situation in his watch. The US-Cops miss that partner, they have to have their eyes everywhere and their situation is much more fearsome.

[@ChristianLax-gh5tu]

This program is recorded in my hometown😊 Fun fact, it's a swedish-finnish production. We are about 300.000 swedish speaking Finns in Finland along the coast. We are not swedish (from Sweden) but we speak swedish as our mother tongue.

[@jarkoffi]

Hälsningar från Laihela

[@FinTume]

Oh, look, here we have an example of "bättre folk." (JK)

[@Ikkeligeglad]

@@pekka75 What!!? didn't you learn that in school? We learn about it in Denmark

[@mnemetotoro]

@@pekka75 Someone named Pekka didn’t know that? Right.

[@donaldliden4545]

​@@Ikkeligegladnope there is Swedish speaking population ever since we was one country but there is also a subject in school thats under debate from nationalistc parties that want to get rid of Swedish.im Swede and if anything i think Finnish should be mandatory in Swedish schools since we are in many aspects still very dependant on our brothers not least when it comes to defence against Russia

[@squidcaps4308]

The "if there was someone in the trunk" is the most revealing detail in the whole video. It is so insanely paranoid to even think that someone would be hiding in the trunk just to kill you. That is not sane.

[@roniez]

the actual reason they touch the trunk is to leave their fingerprints incase the suspect takes off and they loose sight of the car, and they then later find a similar type car they can verify it by their handprint.

[@anne241163]

@@roniez I came here to say this, you beat me to it! I wonder why this was not mentioned in the video.

[@donaldliden4545]

​@@roniezmakes more sense to me

[@evilleeroy6065]

@@anne241163 it wasnt mentioned so the perps wouldnt know about it :)

[@fredrikjonsson3411]

@@roniez I guess the gloves he wore is covered with some nano-tech tracking compound...

[@DermotLehane]

The acorns in Norway and Denmark are generally peaceful.

[@reqq47]

Yeah, it's usually the almonds that go nuts! 😂

[@saxoragnhildssn5443]

As a general rule, Danish police patrolled unarmed until 1965. After a tragic incident this year, when a man shot and killed 4 police officers in Amager, it was decided that the police should henceforth be armed on patrol.

[@AnnInghamlife-goals]

So sad.

[@thedutchhuman]

from ''to serve and protect'' to ''To Punish and Enslave" 😄

[@LeftistVoice]

Hey, the modern police force in the US evolved from slave-catchers. So it was never "to serve and protect". Besides in the US they have no legal obligation actually serve or protect any one individual.

[@JPPVESA]

"Lost in translation" with the introduction to the gear of the Finnish police at 07:00 something..... "The senior officer after them having presented their equipment tells the younger not to take out his firearm; "älä ota asetta" 😂😂

[@JPPVESA]

The mentality of the Finnish general population is much more favorable for firearms. We fought three separate wars as a society in the previous century which brought a number of personal firearms to the common people. Nowadays it's rare and heavily dictated by current legislation and rightfully so, but in the past the concept of a "pocket gun" wasn't unfamiliar. Finnish men as a general rule of thumb go through some form of national service, most are militarily trained so firearms aren't considered as something to be fearful of. Hunting culture in Finland is also very much mainstream. We have some 300 000 active hunters. Sports shooters aside. That equals around 1,5million registered firearms to a population of 5,6million. Our officers carry on-person every day.😂

[@noxpunkis]

I live in central Stockholm, close to the main police station. I almost never hear sirens. When I hear sirens it's mostly ambulance or fire department.

[@pierrebengtsson5009]

The Northen series is a bit old but gold. =) Gonna be fun to se reactions about prisons.

[@clivethewritermadenglishma4042]

Here in UK only a specialist group of police officers are allowed firearms. They are not on patrol with weapons but can be called upon if needed, which is very rare.

[@Henoik]

Norwegian police are still unarmed, as one of only two police forces I know of in the world (the other one being that of the UK).

[@ShadowTani]

Yeah, with a few exceptions where the security have gotten heightened (due to terror threats etc.) the Norwegian police is generally unarmed.

[@Exqsemi]

The total time of education at the swedish Police Academy is 2,5 years with the last 6 month out in the field as a rookie (?), but I want a question that I want to give to the Officers in any US Police Department: If you can choose between 6 months in the academy, but you're doing mistakes in the field very often or 2,5 years in the academy and rarely doing any mistakes in the field, what would you choose?

[@juusolatva]

there was a case in the news here in Finland quite recently where police used their gun on someone armed with a knife, if I remember correctly, who didn't stand down despite repeated requests, so they shot him in the leg and it ended with him being taken to the hospital with a non-life-threatening injury.

[@thomashering1482]

A friend of mine ( german ) lived in finland a few years and noticed many weapons - everybody enters the woods had a rifle or high caliber handgun...

[@battlemole8233]

@@thomashering1482 i call bs on that story. Only time you see weapons carried to the forrest is the hunting season or if there is military training going on. Otherwise that will not happen

[@antcommander1367]

was they wearing orange or yellow vest? cause those are hunters. ordinary people don't enter woods with firearm. as they sometimes carry basket or bucket with berry picker

[@tinaaikaa77]

My son is studying to be a police officer in Finland. Even if I live here, I never thought what the actual police training would be. I was very pleasently surprised when he told be that the first classes they had were about communication and how your words can be recieved by others. The lectures taught about how you have to allways take into account that what you say is percieved through the listeners experiences that are different than yours, even if you both would be finnish, yet alone if you are from different cultures totally. They were learning ways to communicate, ways to actively listen to a person, how to act if your words arent going through to a client, how to navigate, how to approach, how to remeber that even comfortable space distances between people are different and you might threaten someone if need of space is larger than you realise. I found that really good. They didnt start with guns and force training or self defence etc.

[@Nevis1988]

Finland have pretty high amount civilian guns per capita even gun related crimes are pretty low. Most of firearms are registered and gun licence is requirement. Requirements to have licence are good.

[@WiljoOnAI]

There are just not so many guns in wrong hands in nordic countries. We kind of try to control that.

[@finnishview2933]

And yet, when police raid motorcycle gang HQ there always is arsenal of guns. even bazooka. And motorcycle gangs fired that sometimes. Career criminals always have guns.

[@Songfugel]

Apart from Sweden, things have changed dramatically there in the past few years 😢

[@esaedvik]

@@Songfugel That's also mostly blown out of proportions by US media and just people with twisted agendas on social medias.

[@viktorgabriel2554]

In the last 5 years a lot of things have changed even Iceland now has a few shootings a year and its always illegal immigrant killing another illegal immigrant

[@BlueFlash215]

@@Songfugel They didn't. Look at crime rates. If you use Instagram and TikTok as a source to be flooded and stay in your echo chamber, your view will shift to the American narrative.

[@The123eh]

He should have asked the citizens how long since they last saw a gun as well as how long since they last saw a police officer

[@ninjahart]

You do have a problem in the US that we don't have in the Nordic countries tho. In America, any 18 year old can go to WalMart and buy a gun. Every 4th or 5th gun is sold without a proper background check and nobody need to have a mental evaluation to get a gun. In Norway (probably\possibly the other Nordic countries too, I can't say for sure about them), you have to go through a process that ends in applying for a gun license at the police department that will do a background check before issuing a license and only a few stores are allowed to sell weapons and you have to provide a valid license to buy one. Which is one reason why Norway at least is not overflowing with guns.

[@JanBruunAndersen]

The law also says that it is illegal to sell narcotics, but everyone who wants to can - with very little effort - buy narcotics. Same with guns. It has been proven several times by journalist. Visit some disresputable bar and let it be know that you want to buy a gun. Soon you will hold a gun that has been smuggled into Norway/Sweden/Denmark from the Balkans.

[@freezedeve3119]

weapons are not the real problem, problem is what happens if you commit a crime, you end up in prison for years may even for life, so it is same to fight against cops as you have nothing to lose. Whole criminal system causes the problem not just guns.

[@lucone2937]

@@freezedeve3119 In Finland the maximum prison sentence for very violent crimes is about 12 years, and the verdict is the same if someone has murdered just one person or three persons. There are no 30 years prison sentences. Obviously there's no death penalty and a life sentence means about 12 years unless a convict commits a new crime when he's free. If a person is insane and dangerous, he will end up to psychiatric hospital for prisoners like Niuvanniemi in Kuopio.

[@okaro6595]

@@JanBruunAndersen A stupid comparison. There is no way a normal person can easily get an illegal weapon. Maybe a criminal could have connections to get them.

[@kasa3121]

Finland life means about18 years. 22max.

[@beatricenilsson4530]

This is rural towns. And long time ago. In every big swedish town there are shootings almost every other weekend. I live in a middle sized town and the last two times I have been downtown or near city center on a weekend I have heard shots fired. Gangs are running rampant these days. Fortunately they mostly shoot each other. It is very, very, VERY different in Sweden 2024. At least in the bigger cities. I would never go alone at night now. I did 10 years ago 😢

[@plini-xi3ux]

Skärpning Beatrice. Sluta sprida dynga. Kolla statistiken! 2023 sköts 53 personer till döds, det bor knappa 11 miljoner människor i Sverige, det betyder att du har en 0.0000048 procents chans att skjutas till döds. 10 år tidigare 2013 sköts 27 personer till döds, då var befolkningen 10,5 miljoner, vilket betyder att det var en 0.0000029 procents chans att bli skjuten till döds. Risken för att bli ihjälskjuten har alltså ökat med futtiga 0.0000019 procent. Va inte ett sånt jävla SD får. Använd hjärnan och tänk till innan du häver ur dig massa osanningar.

[@roineperssonphotography]

@beatricenilsson4530 Word on that. I believe that the only county (län) that hasn't had any shootings yet is Gotland. There's been shootings but not gang related, only jealous couples or neighbors. Knives are common and fistfight.

[@jippa]

@@plini-xi3uxär man SD för att man tycker något? Vare sig det är sant eller ej? Hur vet du att personen är sd? Du borde också börja använda hjärnan lite 🤣

[@folkeholmberg3519]

Have you seen Michael Moore's reportage about prisons in Norway ?

[@MrLittle3vil]

In the Netherlands you're expected to wear your uniform in class too, and you're considered a police recruit. But it's not like the army, it's more relaxed like the Nordics. A lot of cops here have beards. The academy takes 3 to 4 years depending on the rank you leave with. It is a dual type of deal where you alternate between classes for 2-3 months and than go out on the streets for 3-4 months to put that theory into practise. In those periods you're on the street you work the regular shifts and during that time you also do a practical exam for the subjects you did in the theoretical period beforehand.

[@randallshughart]

As law enforcement officer in Europe I can tell you, there is a rule called the 7m rule (about 25fts), where if someone is armed with a knife, there is 0 chance you have the time to draw and discharge your firearm to neutralize the assaillant if he charges you. Anything that can be deadly to someone is considered as seriously as a gun as far as the law or our operational procedures are concered. Use of force is stricly and highly codified, of course, but hypoteticaly, you could shoot someone armed with a pen. If was held to someones throat. Oh and by the way PEI (tasers) fail to work about 1 time out of 2 of very agitated/under the influence individuals. in the event there is a connection in the first place.

[@karlofsweden]

Hi Heidi! The way you react to your videos is very charming! I really enjoy it!

[@Flokarl1]

I love both Finish, Norwegian and Swedish Police. I lived in both USA , Sweden and Norway and there are sooo big differences!!! I feel 100% safe in the Nordic countries. The Police in Sweden and Norway are like kind touristic guides showing you where to go . ...while in America a big part are racists and I always feeling kind of worried meeting a cop. The differenece is huge !

[@Spugedelia77]

Heidi from the USA, I'm very sorry about my stupid comment about your Nightwish reaction. Sorry, sis and I hope that you can forgive me? I'm super happy that you visited Europe and you want to learn about new cultures. I wish you all the best in this world

[@Spugedelia77]

90 shots? Really? That made me cry and us Finns don't cry easily. F*** that!

[@JustLiesNOR]

20:11 I heard it was to leave fingerprints on the car, so that they can more easily positively identify/tie it to the stop later if needed.

[@protonjinx]

... he's wearing gloves ...

[@theheinzification]

Not in this situation since he's wearing gloves, but yes, I also heard that. And I've seen it in some body cam footage from police interactions too. I think mostly they just touch the rear light, I can't remember them pushing down on the trunk lid, but I will watch more closely next time I'll come across a video showing that. Maybe they have different procedures in different areas.

[@PixTax]

"the culture here is that it's not going to happen here" as borne out by officers telling you that there was only one weapon discharge in 15 years. He doesn't get that how you arrange your society is a major impact on how safe it is.

[@mikaels6320]

In Finland you study at the police university of applied sciences to become a policeofficer and graduate with a bachelors degree. It takes 3.5 years and it's fairly difficult to get in. There's also the possibility to do a masters degree after a minimum of 2 years as a police.

[@malinolsson5921]

At just under 15 min, downtown LA was compared to downtown Umeå, the population density is about a 1000 bigger in LA. The Swedish capital is about 1/2 of LA Population density. Thats a massive difference!

[@ZafWitness]

Just a little fact, the number of shots fired by police in Denmark was exceptionally high in 2020, (the 49 in the column) but 2022 was 21 and 2023 was 18, less than half.

[@philip4588]

It is a few nordic videos, also about prison, scnadinavian prison touch in usa to try the nordic way etcc

[@sael1337]

The touching of the back of the car is interesting and worth looking into, the officer from LA said it was to make sure anyone hiding in the trunk would stay hidden. but i have also her officers say it's a relic from past times, before the police could look up a owner of a car through a database, that way they could leave a mark on the car to later determine the car had been stopped before, incase the driver took off and ditched the car later. I wonder if its just something they where told to do at the academy and never questioned.

[@Herbstfuchs]

Well, the training of the police reflects, like a country treating its prison inmates, the status of its society. Although, the more a country is in conflict with its criminals, I am talking to you America, the MORE SOPHISTICATED the education of the police forces has to be. They are mediators, crisis managers, diplomats, law schooled guardians of order and safety of the citzenship, not guard dogs or playballs of political agenda. They should be the ones bringing a feeling of safety and protection, not fear and mistrust.

[@jyripeltola6677]

I live in Vaasa Finland and I have met quite a bit of cops, but never have I met one that wasn't armed. 4:11 is in Vaasa city centre, I go there every day.

[@stefflus08]

Interesting how they stayed along the same highway, the E12 from Vasa via Umeå to Mo i Rana. Larger cities may be more interesting police wise, but Mo i Rana for example has a lot of drugs but little violence, they mainly stay in their allotted homes and use their drugs, sometimes emerging to steal some stuff if needed, but usually not violently.

[@texwebb]

It's a cultural difference I doubt we will be able to overcome. We have a highly adversarial police system. We have a lot of citizens and officers who are quite selfish. We have suspects they have customers. We train to attack and ask questions later. They train to interact and serve. You should check out their "prison" system. Again, a huge contrast to ours. We focus on punishment first. They focus on rehabilitation first. Our population is much larger with a higher percentage of poverty per capita. They have a very progressive social policy. We have a very judgemental policy to poverty. This factor is more exponential than relational in how to view policing policy. Sort of unrelated... When I think of the Secret Service jumping in front of a protected politician save their life, I also think of police always shooting first "for their safety." Or hiding outside a school during an active shooting crisis. Then I think about names. Police "Force" and Secret "Service" are 2 very different ways of describing a law enforcement philosophy.

[@henrikniebuhr7721]

The police in Denmark is Carrieing bullet prof west and Guns at all time and has been Carrieing Guns since 1965 . Don't know about Finland, but this film is going on in a small town so it's most likely a lot different in the major cities.

[@Claude-n5o]

"I was surprise that this was not in English"?!?!? WOW!!! you who live in the US really have reflexes as if you were the center of the universe.

[@jadu79]

As for on the range, they have earmuffs but they don't on duty unless they are SWAT You should check out more of the videos by the same channel as they have done several about the prison in the norden and they have a good one about religion too

[@KrK-EST]

Nabour of sweeden here and yes now we have funs on every police belt but not used. Fully trained on guns and all other related points needed for police (it takes many years minimum of 4) to become a police officer lots more for higer positions.

[@fdk7014]

The prison one in the same series is going to blow your mind even more

[@MsBlackdeath13]

I probably interact with cops more than most Danes. Mainly because of my dads profession(firefighter). He often talk with them if he sees them and so I’ve had quite a few talks with them. Plus one of my childhood neighborhood neighbor was a cop. And I lived in a very bike gang heavy town in the 90s, so the cops were regular guest speakers at our public school. It was during the big Nordic biker war. I highly recommend looking into the big Nordic biker war.

[@willbhav]

"Customers both have knives, going in to have a chat with them" Works (almost) all the time, tragic when it does not. But tragedy comes in many forms.

[@jonasseger]

Worth noting about the graph regarding police shooting their guns. That's like 3 months of LAPD vs the entire year of 4 countries combined.

[@taahaseois.8898]

Haha 3:40 not even just a city, just one police department. Don't forget the LA County Sheriff for example. 😅

[@arakizdk]

The touch is also used to set plant dna on the vehicle in the states. Just in case the police need to provide evidence, if they have the correct vehicle. No gloves of course.

[@alanwebb9438]

USA... 'Watch and learn'... I'll say it again.. 'Watch and learn!'

[@Touchpadse]

Here in Sweden we have a word "fängelsekund" which translates to "prison customer"

[@janak132]

Things have changed a bit in Norway since this was filmed. Police patrolling terror prone targets will be armed when there's reason to suspect attacks. This was changed by the 2011 terrorist attack. After a few unfortunate events invoving knives, one of them being the one mentioned here I believe, it is now common for the police to arrive with weapons out if any armament has been reported. The reason for the well protected office is that if someone is after hurting the police they're likely to target them at the station. Mostly only mentally unstable people have done anything like that in the first place. Police cars are also not like other cars. There's more reason than just the cold for patrolling police to be in their cars. Our police is however extremely well trained in de-escalation and hand to hand takedown techniques. Remember that the main reason the police doesn't have to be armed is that the criminals mostly aren't armed. Not only do we have very strict weapons laws, but sentences for unarmed crimes are way more lenient than for armed crimes, so "career" criminals will naturally try to keep their eventual sentences as short as possible. Also there is no "three strike law" precisely to prevent criminals choosing to shoot it out to avoid permanent prison stay. The nature of our prisons also play into this. They are focused on rehabilitation and safety and are seen as "way too cozy" by many people. While less fear of going to prison might be less of a deterrent it also means that the fear of prison doesn't push the criminals towards violence to avoid prison. And the rehabilitation system does work. We have a low return to prison rate.

[@janevje4259]

One thing to remember is that in scandinavia we had mandatorry military service until the fall of the Soviet Union. This means that all potentional armd criminals are familiar with guns from handguns to automatic rifels, machinguns ,RPG’s and some even demolition and artilery! This was a major consern when the autorutys cracked down on Hells Angels and Bandidos!

[@eloisepasteur]

I live in the U.K. To be more precise in Northumbria for policing. That’s several large cities, 1.5 million people total. The police force is a bit over 3,000 people and about 60 of them are armed. That’s to cover 24/7 over the whole county. Wikipedia lists all the police officers who have died in the county since 1900. All eight of them. Two were shot (before 1920 when the U.K. started tightening gun laws for the first time). After that it’s stabbing x2, falling from a roof while chasing suspects x2, one car crash and one “collapsed and died.” We have shootings here in Northumbria. The last one was in 2010. We have murders too, the last one (well it’s still presumed) was a couple of weeks ago. I don’t remember how it was done and I’m not going to go digging up the details. For context, in the whole of the U.K., we have around 20-25 deaths by shooting per year, out of around ~650 murders (average over the last 20 years) last year it was 22/571.

[@whoami.24601]

I think what this doesn’t highlight very well is that Nordic police officers are specifically trained in de-escalation tactics. Norway today has more armed police across the board because of heightened terror threats nationally. But police offers are specifically trained in how to avoid escalating to gun use. I wish it would have gone more into that because I can see why it seems very confusing.

[@JohnBjerregaard]

every procedure is a hurdle system, checking the trunk is just a small part of keeping you safe by adding a hurdle

[@Griexxt]

Given that gun crime has gone up here in Sweden the last couple of decades, I think police need to be armed. But Swedish police are taught effective de-escalation techniques, and the gun is never the first resort when things get heated. I listen to some American political podcasts, which often bring up cases where the police are the main perpetrators of gun violence. They start shooting for very little reason, and expend an excessive amount of shots for minimal gain. Frankly, the main problem in the US seems to be the blatant gun fetischism among not just law enforcement but also large parts of the general public.

[@frankhaugen]

I know a guy who worked the local jail, (drunk tank, and holding cells), they referred to their inmates as guests, and usually tried to joke with the people who they cared for in hotel terminology. This wasn't a policy, just a thing they did. Jails here in Norway are not staffed by police but correctional officers, so they're motivated to make people feel as well as possible under the circumstances, so they don't have any aggression. Pro tip for anyone finding themselves in a Norwegian "drunk tank". You kan get access to an actual toilet if you behave and ask politely, instead of dedicating in the cell, (if you have spit on or yelled at any of the corrections officers, you will not be able to use their nice toilet 😂 )

[@MrMartinSchou]

28:31 - "[...] because there are many people with guns and knives." A statement made out of fear and ignorance. In 2012 (the year the documentary was made) there were a total of 2,742 cases reported to the police of someone carrying a weapon in public. That could range from someone walking around with a kitchen knife to someone walking around with a hunting rifle to someone pointing a gun at someone. In all likelihood, she is concerned because the massacre at Utøya happened the year before.

[@Azvokadoo]

From what I understood, after reading a little about it, they want to start carrying weapons in Norway, but the government is more hesitant, but they think it will end with them being allowed to carry weapons. On the other hand, people are not as interested in starting to carry weapons in Iceland.

[@okaro6595]

It was that in few months they shout more than the countries in the whole year. They may shoot 5 times a year but mostly at the legs. Fatal shootings are rare. In 2015-23 the police shot dead 7 people. For the comparison in Minnesota which has about the same population it was 96. Though the numbers have increased in 2005-13 it was just one.

[@Joliie]

The danish police started wearing pistols doing patrols after 1965, an incident where 4 officers were shot and killed, after that it was decided all police officers on patrol to be armed.

[@Ollerecovery]

Living in Sweden i have never seen an unarmed policeofficer, nor have i heard them refering to people they arrest as customers exept as a joke.

[@ingegerdandersson6963]

I think that of the Nordic countries its Sweden, Denmark and Finland that have police with guns and Norway and Iceland that have police without guns

[@itsraining3000]

I heard the US police touch the trunk to leave a fingerprint, in order for there to be a "marker" in the event of a sudden escape. This way, they can later link the car back to this traffic control. But that's just what I heard.

[@thequ4lm69]

Beanbag is a not lethal shotgun ammo that hurt a lot but is very hard to kill some one with. I understand the concept of Norway's police. I mean police or no police if someone comes into a situation with weapons they have escalated the situation and stress level for all involved in that situation. Another thing to take into consideration is that in Europe normal people do not carry guns, but in the US it normal (and legal) to carry a gun for protection.

[@AlmightyNorppa]

Right after my conscription (finnish by the way) I started to look into what is required to be a cop. Always thought being a police officer would be cool, even though my youth was filled with "misbehaviour" 😂 I was checking the physical requirements and going through the list like "Yeah.. I can do that.. Sure.. that's fine.. Seems easy" and then I noticed that there's also swimming involved. I may stay afloat for a few minutes but I'm not a swimmer. Decided to focus more on hitting the books and apply to law school. That was many years ago. I've been working in restaurants for some time now lol

[@Dalmen]

In the US peperspray or tasers are not to defent themself, it is to make the suspect to obey. If the suspect don't do what the cop want they get pepersprayed or tasered. The gun is the only option for self defence in the US.

[@ehelander]

Swede here 🇸🇪 👋 Since we have more strict laws regarding weapons and who is allowed to carry one, I guess less gun related accidents happen 🤷🏼‍♀️ . Even pepper spray is considered a weapon and need special permits. You can carry a knife, but only if it’s required for the activity i.e. you work as a carpenter in a public area or taking the family for a camping trip and carve sticks for grilling food.

[@Gittas-tube]

👩🏼‍🌾👋😊 Hi Heidi! The speaker voice speaks Swedish the way we do here in Finland. You very seldom have an opportunity to hear my mother tongue. We, Finland-Swedes speak the same Swedish as they do in Sweden. We just have a different sentence melody and a few local words, some of which are considered old-fashioned. Several hundred years ago, the Swedes in Sweden spoke more like we do today as far as the sentence melody in concerned. Swedish, as you may know, has nothing to do with Finnish, which belongs to an entirely difference group of languages.

[@yumisoaresgjrum9493]

The fact that the police officer from LA used the word, deploy says everything. For me, that is a military word. You deploy troupes into battle/ war.

[@HailHeidi]

100%

[@Kent.]

The customer thing is probably a little Finnish humor involved, but i don't really know. I'm from Sweden an here we call them misstänkt = suspect.

[@jimmyryan5880]

There was uproar in Ireland last year when the cops shot someone. But the guy was ranting and raving with a machete. They wait for him to go to a quieter area (there were still people around), had an ambulance at the end of the road and tried to deal with him more peacefully before calling armed police.

[@AudunWangen]

There's a video of Norwegian police handling something similar in the Oslo city centre here on KZbin. He was not harmed.

[@JariRantasalmi-dj9gk]

Usually police in finland dont open the door.just talking to you in open window.

[@PaulKEgellJohnsen]

«It couldn’t happen here». I guess he hasn’t heard about July 22, 2011. One man bombed government offices and went on a shooting spree on an island filled with teenagers. The police had been accused of not being prepared or trained. They used a zodiac to go to the island and chose a route 6 times longer than the shortest crossing to the island. They didn’t commandeer local boats, but waited for the special forces to arrive. 11 men and their equipment was loaded into the boat, it took in water and the motor stopped after two minutes. Etc. But carrying guns wouldn’t have changed anything. There were no police on the island. The terrorist was wearing a police uniform. He had bombed the government offices in Oslo and the moved to a place 42 minutes from where his bomb exploded. Another snafu: the emergency number could only tacle two calls at the sam time. 40 people was in a phone queue So the LAPD cop is partially right: but arming Norwegian police is not a solution.

[@oledahl.]

Here in Norway most of the police don't carry a gun. They have a gun in their car that they can get if they are in a special situation where a gun is needed. But the police offficcers need a special permit then to unlock the gun. An exception where police officers are carrying a gun all the time is at the airport and a couple other more places. Also if the national terrror threat is elevated the police may get a special order to carry. But thats only for a limited time.

[@jarnom85]

Big difference between US and Nordic is that our guns (at least in Finland) are heavily regulated, you need permit from police to able to purchase and obtain firearm, and they can revoke that permit if you behave in manner that is not fit to own firearm (example mental or criminal reasons), they will come get the guns from you if you don't give them up by your self after revoking the license. Also basic Police education in here (Finland) is about 3 years and is university level education (Police University College).