American Reacts to Where Does London Stop?

Jay Foreman's delightful exploration of London's ever-expanding urban sprawl and the peculiar places where London seems to abruptly stop are often leaving us questioning what truly defines the iconic metropolis. Whether you're a geography enthusiast, a fan of British culture, or just curious about where London's boundaries lie, this video is sure to entertain and educate.
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[@jenanization]

After watching other American reactions to UK I have to say JJLA is like a breath of fresh air. So calm and relaxed and well educated, he makes a point of understanding what's being said instead of having 'over the top' reactions every 2 seconds and pausing to talk a lot of nonsence.

[@margaretknight8690]

Completely agree!

[@JaneAustenAteMyCat]

Yeah there are some kn0bheads making these sorts of videos. I like this chap

[@watchreadplayretro]

^^

[@SongBillong]

Exactly my thoughts. Clearly has his head screwed on!

[@Jemini4228]

And not yelping 'whats that?'. If you listen the video will explain!

[@alfieperry2561]

I really enjoy that you pause and google more information - great stuff!

[@JJLAReacts]

Thank you!! ❤️

[@alan-]

Yes, it really makes a difference

[@Thurgosh_OG]

Agreed and unlike a few other US YTers, JJLA doesn't keep talking over bits, missing relevant info or pausing the video mid-sentence. The Wurzer brothers Ryan and Tyler (have separate channels) are examples of poor YTers, who, on their videos pause, to question something which is being explained, and talk over bits all the time. They also don't read or respond to their comments sections, which JJ does

[@kjdempsey]

@@JJLAReactsI’m 34 and had phimosis my whole life

[@jamesdignanmusic2765]

I was born in 1963 in Hertfordshire. Due to the 1965 border changes, I was a Londoner before my second birthday. Where I was born is still often called "Barnet, Herts." By the way, the owner of Cadburys was chosen to be on the committee because the company's founder had designed a new town for his employees to live in, Bourneville, which was a very successful bit of modern (for then) town planning.

[@rjjcms1]

I was born in 1964 in North London (in a bit that was probably part of poor old Middlesex) and have lived in Hertfordshire since the late 60s,in Watford until 1998 but moved a couple of steps out west-north-west since. I thought the Croxley rail link was a long (a good couple of decades,I'd say)-overdue addition to the public transport network when it was proposed back in 1993. I can't believe Khan's cancelled it! Boris's decision on those fast trains was a bad one,too. I wasn't even aware that our two most recent Mayors of London had taken those decisions - principally because,though I live in one of the westernmost outreaches of Hertfordshire the local news we receive after the main news bulletins on TV is from East Anglia,so I get kept more abreast of things that are happening in Cambridge and Norwich and Peterborough than in London!

[@PiousMoltar]

I can't believe you thought they might have actually made the shape of London look like a rhinoceros on purpose 🤣

[@christinamoxon]

He is beginning to understand our sense of humour. So I don't blame him. It's the sort of thing we'd do for a laugh.

[@Owbfcudhd]

I recommend watching more videos from Jay Foreman’s ‘Unfinished London’ series, especially ‘why does london have 32 boroughs?’, ‘why does london have so many airports?’, and the two most recent ones, about the tube map.

[@davidhyams2769]

Ex-Londoner here. Lived and worked there until my mid-30s, then moved away because the company I worked for relocated, first to the South Coast, then again a few years later to Northwest England. After experiencing life in some smaller towns and villages, I made a promise to myself never to move back to London. I'm retired now and have kept my promise.

[@moodswinggaming2972]

Yeah i get ya, i love visiting London, its a great place. But i also like being able to leave it.

[@luluk3340]

I've lived in London since 1990 and still love it. It's home.

[@Marli-o4g]

Epsom is not a certain distance from Surrey, it is in Surrey (the name of the county that Epsom is located in). The City of London is only 1.12 square miles /711 acres and the 32 London boroughs that make up the remaining 606 (approximately) square miles since 1st April 1965 have many of the sites that tourists consider to be in central London such as the Tower of London, Tower Bridge (although owned and maintained by the City), Buckingham Palace, Westminster Abbey, the Houses of Parliament and all of the Royal Parks to name just a few.

[@jamesdignanmusic2765]

The City of London is the map shown of how the Romans defined London in 43 AD

[@grahamsmith9541]

To make ot more confusing. Buckingham Palace, Westminster Abbey and houses of parliament are in the City of Westminster. London's other City.

[@jamesdignanmusic2765]

@@grahamsmith9541 if you were a pedant, you could almost call Westminster Britain's capital city, since that's where the government is based.

[@highpath4776]

the Surrey on the map presumably is the relocated administrate headquarters now in Guildford (which is still a pain to get to from Epsom needing train back to Wimbledon or Bus from Leatherhead)

[@johnsimmons5951]

@@highpath4776SCC is in Reigate. www.surreycc.gov.uk/council-and-democracy/offices/woodhatch-place

[@pdunderhill]

I worked at the BBC as a Sound Engineer and we received London Weighting on our Salaries for working in the Capital. It became absurd with some Staff working Two 12 hour shifts, 09.00 to 21.00 two days on two off and spending the middle night in camper vans/RVs in a Car Park before driving back to much more distant parts of the Country. I also worked with Film Sound Recordists, Boom Swingers, who could use their entire Salaries to pay a mortgage and live on on expenses abroad for 10 months a year. In real terms there is no edge of London its just an amorphous blob in the South East of the Country, maybe the Green Belt defines it, or not!

[@JJLAReacts]

Wow, I admire your credentials! I'm also an audio engineer and have always loved the sound of the Coles 4048, which I'm sure you know, is based on a mic designed for (or by?) the BBC. So smooth sounding. I love them on drum overheads and electric guitar. Anyway, thanks for watching and adding some perspective on the working conditions and pay. It sounds like a pretty rough daily routine with the camping and commuting compared to the Boom Swingers experience. Cheers to you mate 🍻

[@highpath4776]

there is some green belt in london

[@rayaqueen9657]

​@@highpath4776 by definition green belt goes around the outside so how is that possible?

[@highpath4776]

@@rayaqueen9657 as some have commented in the past "The Green Belt" for planning areas is somewhat more of "Green Wedges", but there are areas in Bromley , mostly around Biggin Hill that fall into Green Belt land , likewise a few bits to the North and East

[@rayaqueen9657]

@@highpath4776 Ah yes... Bromley in Kent 🤣

[@artyphartycreations3219]

Love your channel and you are so nice to listen to, such a soothing voice. Very interesting videos you find as well. I’m from East London although it was Essex when I was born but it’s now London and has been for most of my life.

[@JJLAReacts]

Hey, thank you for the kind words! London seems like a wonderful place to live! Cheers 🍻

[@artyphartycreations3219]

I’m no longer in London but just to the west of it in the borough of Windsor in Berkshire now.

[@Vinny86100]

The Essex one is always a source of jokes. Being from the county it’s funny when you watch the news and if something good happens in say Romford, it’s described a ‘Romford-Greater London’ but if it’s bad news it’s ’Romford-Essex’

[@chipsthedog1]

There's a great bit in one of Bill Brysons books where he is on a train to London and when the train first hits London he gets up ready to depart the train but sits back down 20 minutes and five stations later still not having arrived at his destination.

[@stephwaite]

I love Bill Bryson because he likes us, despite our strange foibles and weird habits 😃

[@antonycharnock2993]

@@stephwaite And he lived in Yorkshire for a fair chunk of that time. One of the times he encountered inane British humour was at Skipton station - ticketman says "the ticket is free but that'll be £20 for the card it's printed on..." He says most Americans would go nuts at that😂

[@helenagreenwood2305]

Ha ha when the Terry and June theme came on at about 4:10 I thought my phone was ringing - until recently it was my ringtone just changed it to ELO Mr Blue Sky

[@watchreadplayretro]

At 3:05 that music will bring back great memories to any original Transport Tycoon strategy game fans! Wonderful video, thanks JJ

[@mikicoal]

I grew up outside London with a non-London postal address, a London telephone number and in a London borough. The line between London and Not London was clearly marked between my house and London within a short walk. The streets looked very different on the other side, with different coloured street lights, different paving styles, and different grass verges. When people ask me where I'm from, the best I can answer is Londonish.

[@esesbee27]

I was born in Ilford and raised in Dagenham. I will always think of it as being Essex. I don't consider myself a Londoner 😕

[@watchreadplayretro]

Watching this again (as had recommended it to a friend) and at 5:50 Jay Foreman's edited (superimposed) the cardboard hitting the horse on the head in the background, I was wondering why there was a neighing sound effect there lol Oh and whilst I'm in my 'noticing things' mindset, at 9:43 there is a tiny moving black and white oblong at the top right, I'm not sure about the rest of the world, but in the 70s through until the 90s most TV channels that had broadcasting breaks or commercial breaks used to insert these as a way for the channel operators to know when to cut to a commerical. Kind of like a mini marker stating there were x number of seconds until the program paused or ended. Jay's humour and added details like this are so rare in YT videos! I'm sure an expert can explain more, but anyway, yep! As great a viewing the 2nd time as it was the 1st time! =)

[@TheJthom9]

Surrey is a county. Historically it was from the Thames river down, but now the northern part is in London, so Epsom wanted to still be counted as part of Surrey

[@marktubeie07]

04:08 look at the headlines on those newspapers !😂😂

[@JJLAReacts]

LOL Thanks for pointing that out! Jay Foreman packs so many jokes in to every moment that they will roll on by me without noticing. 😂

[@timothyallan111]

Also, the name of the Kent newspaper!! 😂😂

[@naomijones6921]

Absolutely love your videos, your perplexed facial expressions with some of our weird british humour makes me chuckle for ages. Like the lady on the loo 😂🤭

[@georgesibley7152]

when the Lcc expanded different counties had drinking times that were different to London. Before the expansion, there were two pubs where I lived. One was in London the other side of the street was in Kent. London shut pubs at 11.00 , the pub in Kent shit at 10:30. So at 10:30 there was anexodus across the road to the London pub.

[@robertlangley1664]

London is in my blood and I live in Devon now so London reaches two hundred miles to the Westcountry

[@yurihuffles]

As a small aside, Middlesex also lives on as the university. While seen as must as just "another university of London", it is as we've all learnt from this video a place of higher learning that was around before London took over the place. As such, it still uses the Middlesex name and crest. :)

[@vaudevillian7]

Interestingly as you mentioned Jacksonville, the Jaguars are considered the nearest thing to London’s NFL team as they’ve played over here so many times

[@Stand663]

I didn’t realise how huge London is. The population is over 10 million.

[@leytonjay]

The 8bit music that was playing over some of the map scenes was from SimCity 2000. Deep cut.

[@steveknievel]

Surrey have moved their headquarters into Surrey since this video was made 😊

[@witthyhumpleton3514]

Knockholt isn't 26 miles, it's 26 miles on the road, but direct connection via air would make it only slightly farther out than Epsom

[@stewedfishproductions7959]

Have you NOT heard the expression 'toilet humour' ??? 😅 😂 🤣

[@JJLAReacts]

Ooooooohhhhh, now I get it 😂

[@jonntischnabel]

I had to laugh when you thought it was actually called "posh knockholt" 😂😂

[@lewistrundell]

Your voice is amazing, keep up the good work

[@watchreadplayretro]

Watching this again (as had recommended it to a friend) and at 5:50 Jay Foreman's edited (superimposed) the cardboard hitting the horse on the head in the background, I was wondering why there was a neighing sound effect there lol Oh and whilst I'm in my 'noticing things' mindset, at 9:43 there is a tiny moving black and white oblong at the top right, I'm not sure about the rest of the world, but in the 70s through until the 90s most TV channels that had broadcasting breaks or commercial breaks used to insert these as a way for the channel operators to know when to cut to a commerical. Kind of like a mini marker stating there were x number of seconds until the program paused or ended. I'm sure an expert can explain more, but anyway, yep! As great a viewing the 2nd time as it was the 1st time! =)

[@Chrisroygbiv]

Love rewatching this series through your reactions

[@lindastaines8288]

I was born in London but moved to Essex briefly in 1959. I still can’t think if it as being in London!!!. Ps moved back to London in ‘72 phew

[@paulewen387]

Arguably you may work in London, but you’re not paying tax as a resident, so why would you deserve a say in the governance of the place. Kind of ‘No representation without taxation’ 😉

[@robthomas2330]

4:52 - Rik Mayall Born - I love the amount of jokes they fit into these.

[@HankD13]

Anything with Jay or the Map Men is brilliant, funny and educational. Unfinished London is one of my favourite series - since I live in London. My personal experience was living in Bromley, and the address is in Kent.... but is actually in Greater London. Having Kent in your address was much more posh - I moved to Grove Park, keeping the Kent in the address, but reality it was LB of Lewisham (not posh). Does affect house prices, the rates you pay. 🙄

[@Marli-o4g]

Hello from a fellow Londoner born and raised in Bromley after it became the capital town of the London Borough of Bromley. I love living here because you get all the benefits of being in London with all the benefits of living in the countryside with all our villages, hamlets and farmland / commons / country parks in London’s largest borough 🙂

[@LoneRanger100]

London never ends…it’s a state of mind

[@frankmitchell3594]

A 1 hour journey time to central London could include towns and cities 100 miles out by train.

[@AnthonyP73]

Really enjoying your reactions, JJ, bingeing my way through them. And even speaking as an Australian, Map Men's video on London boroughs is actually quite interesting. Recommended

[@sidm3300]

I was born in Middlesex, which is north of the River Thames. My town has been in Surrey which is south of the Thames since 1965. My postal address was Middlesex until recently, and is now Surrey. I'm inside the M25, 19 miles from the centre of London, a half hour train ride away. I don't get to vote for the London mayor. I've no idea if I'm a Londoner or not.

[@adrianhughes8143]

Actually in 2023 the population of London is 13.7 million. In the 1800's it was 6 million people who lived in London. I am a Londoner who left with my parents in 1967 and moved to a small village in the county of Hertfordshire. I now live in a large town still in Hertfordshire. I would never go back to London my home city as everything in London is very expensive, plus it's overpopulated. I am happy where I live. 💂‍♂️💂‍♂️💂‍♂️💂‍♂️🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿💙💛🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 don't worry if you don't get the jokes as it's local humour that only we get and as you are American and live in America you will not get the joke.

[@PaulHipToBeSquareAllen]

it’s gone up 4.7 million since i last checked? Wow, that’s a hell of a lot of Refugees and Foreign people.

[@aaron_p12]

i travel to brazil once a year for work, i should have a say in how its run

[@taywithlove]

You receive London weighing in Broxbourne too

[@oliversherman2414]

As a Brit, I've visited central London a few times. It's a nice place for a visit

[@Chiggins_]

"How far away is Epsom from Surrey?" Idk man, how far away is Los Angeles from California?

[@stevepritchard2756]

Funny you should mention Jacksonville, flew into there on my way to Tallahassee. Also had a lovely pizza in a place just off the beach.

[@Tonyblack261]

Chris Rhea's song: "This is the Road to Hell" is said to reference the M25

[@highpath4776]

In 1964 the London independent TV franchise would have been Rediffusion

[@IanDarley]

I only just noticed that when he throws the cardboard map over his shoulder, it hits a mounted police officer on the head 😂

[@davidpascu8730]

Hey I love your content! Why don't you do a vid on reacting to London's 2023 fireworks.

[@jaybee8547]

The county of Surrey (below London) takes it's name from the (small) town Surrey.

[@depecher6s311]

First time on this channel, I love your voice!

[@harrymarsden723]

You got a new subscriber great channel.😊

[@JJLAReacts]

Thank you so much! Cheers 🍻

[@lesleycarney8868]

You not getting the woman on the loo is soooooooo funny lollll

[@gswcooper7162]

This confusion is the reason why there are so many suburbs of outer London that are in other counties, and have weirdly-long titles to explain their history. For example, "The London Borough of Norbury, in Surrey" - as the name suggests, is a borough of London, but in the postal county of Surrey; even though as a London borough, it's actually in the county of Greater London for day-to-day administrative purposes. ...Confused yet? xD

[@gregdsilva7473]

You make a good point about the three criteria. My town used to be about a 90 minute train ride from London. Now, with HS1, the train ride is about 40 minutes. Do I now live in London?

[@JJLAReacts]

Hey yeah! Exactly!

[@Nemoticon]

If you haven't already, you should take a look at the difference between the metropolis of Greater London and the 'the City of London' (which even has it's own Mayor)... it's all very interesting and weird, maybe something that might interest you xD

[@davidwallin7518]

Indeed - and he is a Lord Mayor.

[@PiousMoltar]

"Why is this woman on the toilet with her panties down" Because it's funny. Also, is that Jay's mum?

[@MartinJames389]

Surrey is a county, not a place. Epsom is IN Surrey because it wanted to stay in Surrey rather than become a London borough, or part of one. Guildford is also in Surrey, but a good 20 miles from Epsom, not being in a part of Surrey adjacent to London, so similar issue arose there. Similar issues were wrangled over in the most adjacent parts of the counties around London, namely, Kent, Essex, Hertfordshire and Berkshire. As for Middlesex, that country was entirely swallowed up by London and ceased to exist, except as a cricket team (one of the 18 top counties which play first-class domestic cricket).

[@Ibis117]

10:10 No, they shouldn't have a say. "No representation, without taxation", as a famous American once didn't say.

[@Giggirl]

Love that you looked for a town starting with posh 😂

[@PiousMoltar]

Epsom is IN Surrey and always has been!

[@qwertyTRiG]

That last "yet" joke was because London voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU (as did Scotland and Northern Ireland). They were pulled out by England (and Wales, but apparently that was mostly English retirees living in Wales, not the native Welsh). CGP Grey's two videos on the "Secret" City of London are worth watching, along with the rest of Jay Foreman's "Unfinished London" series.

[@herenow6953]

I love your relaxed and gentle style. As someone born on the outer hinterland of London outside the 'new' M25 - and who now lives the other side of London outside the now established M25 the answer is complicated! A) The London sprawl is contained for now we are OK were we are in East Surrey B) County Hall Surrey has moved from Kingston to Reigate, Surrey (East Surrey) C) Sad IQ Khan has tried to extend his tax grab on motorists out to the very outer reaches of 'London' (e.g. Biggin Hill) and his unlawful ULEZ charge (£12.50 per journey for a car deemed not to meet his criteria of 'pollution'. Basically its a tax on the poor who run old cars and can't afford new ones. Check out the opposition to this aka the Blade runners.

[@Zippy66]

There's people who have pretty much worked from home since Covid and are still receiving London Weighting. Wonder how long that will last

[@paulharrison9030]

Probably somebody has already told you that Surrey, Essex and Kent are counties; not towns.

[@extrude22]

Surrey is a county and Epsom is in Surrey!

[@davidfleming5963]

Take a look at 5.54. When he throws the map it lands on the horses head 😂😂

[@JJLAReacts]

LOL I missed that! Thank you!!

[@taywithlove]

I live in Essex, the part which borders Chingford and Tottenham, literally 200 metres from the border. Always saying I am from London

[@leytonjay]

I don't think Chessington has many people for it's size, so probably didn't give a crap. It's mostly lakes, marshes and wetlands, even the Theme Park is on reclaimed land that was drained.

[@bobnevermind]

Posh knockholt? haha. cant believe you looked up the posh part.

[@AskiFin]

Fun fact, America is one of 3 countries that uses Henry the 1st's feet size as a measurement of distance. It has since re-codified and are one of 3 countries that uses metric system to calculate feet length. (Before Henry I it was measured by length of your 4 fingers [no thumb]. and 3 hands with 4 fingers makes up a foot, hence 12 inches makes a foot today, even tho size of 1 inch has changed later)

[@kevinjones4559]

Windsor not put in London which is a shame as the free travel for over 60s would be handy.

[@user-ki3wj3dw3z]

I'm British and had no idea about Middlesex. Just assumed I'd never been. 😂

[@Isleofskye]

I am one of millions who live in one of the Outer London Boroughs. Out of the 32 London Boroughs, they are, roughly, split into half Inner and half Outer London. In Outer London, we have dual identities. Our address is one of the Counties that surround London like Herts/Essex/Surrey or Kent but we live in an Outer London Borough. He was saying that within London, travel is free for THe Over 60-year-olds (with a couple of conditions) but if you live one mile outside a London Borough and work in London you might pay $4,000 a year in rail fares to London. I know if that was me then I would find a way round that nonsense. lol

[@drzander3378]

Formally, in the outer boroughs, the ‘postal town’ is used without specifying that it’s in London or in the former county’s name. It’s just the suburb’s name followed by the postcode. The Land Registry, however, does still use the former county’s name - at least for some outer boroughs and maybe all.

[@Isleofskye]

@@drzander3378 Thanks. I still include my lifelong habit of putting the Countu in,as well.

[@helenag.9386]

What is the M25? Wow. What a lucky person who doesn't have to experience hours of traffic jams on it!

[@MaisieSqueak]

The Trauma on that poor New Londoner woman XD

[@cerbuscankerous3714]

Like your states, we are quite attached to our counties. As for the Question of outsiders having a say in London, they don't pay taxes to London, so theres no reason for them to have a say.

[@willowcobb]

I used to live in the county of Avon, now I live in the 'City of Bristol' so now don't live in any county

[@JohnnyZenith]

Maybe the greatest ASMR videos ever. Come to London/UK for Xmas. It's awesome.

[@Thurgosh_OG]

London would be a 'City State', Sadik Khan, the current Mayor got his way. He tries to push his authority beyond Greater London and uses powers within London that no Mayor, should have. After all he's just a counsellor, not a Member of Parliament.

[@teafSAINTS]

5:51 he is mostly taking the mick

[@bipolarminddroppings]

8:00 The part you're missing is not being British. It's funny because it's strange, that's it, nothing deeper. I'm from a place called Harlow, it's just outside the London border but all the people there think of themselves as Londoners because our grandparents mostly came from London after the war. I live in the north now and when people ask where I'm from I just say London, because its easier.

[@TerranSol]

Ever thought of doing a reaction about wales?

[@louisemiller3784]

I don’t get her sitting on the toilet either, funny tho

[@orwellboy1958]

No, that passed me by too.

[@MsCheesemonster13]

And me 🤷‍♀️ 🇬🇧

[@JJLAReacts]

I'm glad I'm not the only one 😂 thank you!!!

[@reeseprince8]

It's just that's a joke

[@jamesonslow]

Hi. I'm from 🇬🇧. Just started watching your videos and learning a lot. Your voice instantly makes me think of Michael Jackson. 🙂

[@MousePotato]

I thought the M25 was the largest car park in the UK.

[@MegaMidgetNinja]

The lady on the toilet part is likely just a throwaway gag - a filler joke.

[@reallivebluescat]

Posh means Fancy of upperclass

[@petefluffy7420]

Stop lights, stop signs, and destinations.

[@XRos28]

You do your research! 😀

[@angrybob3594]

Question: I live in a village of 6000 people but I hear of cities in the U.S. that have less than this. Do you have hamlets, villages, or towns?

[@PaulieR1976]

I think the criteria for what counts as London (eg commuting) may have changed post pandemic as more people work from home. We really do need to move away from city living, it's a bit of a mediaeval concept

[@lindastaines8288]

Industrial Revolution, not medieval

[@brisbanemark]

Haha don't overthink the humour... it's just funny!!!

[@daveofyorkshire301]

The City of London solved this problem buy having businesses vote in the elections. Greater London is the democracy we all know, the City of London has a very different electorial system that is separate and protected from political interference from UK government.

[@TouchofCinnamon]

My husband used to fly into London each week, work there for 5 days and then fly back to Ireland. So the argument of 'should people who work in London have a say in what goes on in London' would get incredibly complicated. If you give anyone who works in London rights like this, you'd get more foreign governments meddling in UK politics than they already do. *Brexit disaster*

[@joeypalmiero7576]

Chessington is just a theme park so there are no “chessington people” hence why the have no problem with being in Greater London

[@lazaruslong1960]

In relation to this look up ULEZ and the London Borough of Bromley. They have to pay a tax on certain types of vehicle but pit's a semi rural borough with small villages based OUTSIDE the map. Also these villages have no vote the Mayoral of General Assembly elections. Very political, but it'll give you an idea as to who weird British boundaries are.

[@Marli-o4g]

All of the villages / hamlets in the London Borough of Bromley are in London and so do vote for the Mayor of London (I live in one of the villages right on the boundary with Kent and I’m in London. From 2005 to 2012 I not only paid my council tax to LB Bromley and the Greater London Authority but also had to pay extra as a London resident to pay for the 2012 Games, which no one outside London had to do). Therefore with ULEZ now covering all of London all of LB Bromley is included. It’s true that some places over the boundaries into the Home Counties such as Kent and Surrey are included despite not being in London, but they are not part of LB Bromley or LB Croydon respectively anyway. Their inclusion in ULEZ by the Mayor of London when they are not in London is a different argument.

[@ianprince1698]

Maybe is because I'm a Londoner that I love London so. except I moved to Geordy land as that is where my wife came from

[@George10767]

London is much too large. When a city exceeds 2 million inhabitants it becomes hard to manage. For example, Paris has about 2 million and it works fine. But the London population exceeds 10 million. And it's full of crawling traffic and consequent air pollution. The centre is only for tourists, not really for Londoners.