American Sniper Fantasy Debunked (plus sniper tactics)

[@griftinggamer]

The Chad Army NCO cannot fathom a world in which the definitions of words do not equal what the army has told him.

[@N6578h]

Institutionalization is a hell of a drug

[@tervaient3652]

ong

[@Notices-Patterns]

Doesn’t even have a CIB. It’s all theory for him

[@Flevvers]

@@Notices-Patterns I think you'd be disappointed by how most people received a CIB in the last 20 years. EIB and Ranger are better indicators of proficiency and dedication to infantry tactics.

[@EdmondSeely]

You can have all of those and continue to be a turd I have met many!!!! This dude is a good NCO and you can learn from him. ​@@Flevvers

[@richardschafer7858]

Decades ago in Vicenza, our Recon platoon had a good ol boy from Texas (talked EXACTLY like Boomhauer from King of the Hill). Wasnt our fastest or strongest guy, but with his M14 ( dont remember what optic) that dude could hit targets (small ones) at 800m all day. They sent him to sniper school, and he took first in field craft and second in marksmanship. We were thinking, who the HELL outshot Steve? There is always someone better.

[@jacobhesington6725]

When an Arab has a 4 power optic on his mosin he’s an enemy sniper. When an American civilian has a $5,000 ar10 settup that can ring steel at 1200 meters he’s a larper.

[@baneofbanes]

The Arab is actually fighting more often than not.

[@1810jeff]

​@@baneofbanesThis is only true until its not

[@jongriggs85]

You’ve figured out pentagon terrorism budgeting 101

[@baneofbanes]

@@1810jeff the average American civvie wouldn’t last any longer in an insurgency.

[@alfaalex101]

@@baneofbanesyou mean pot shots

[@C420sailor]

If I had to pick between the sniper LARP and the Tier 1 SMU CQB LARP (don’t forget the 6”Hydra riser🙄), I’ll take the sniper LARP any day of the week. At least long range precision shooting has a semi-realistic place in an insurgency…in Minecraft…

[@Resident_Kriegsman]

🤙

[@jacobhesington6725]

Right. Like if I were to fight an insurgency war against a superior force I don’t want to be within 500 yards of them ideally.

[@roundrock63]

Being a sniper is not just hitting a target at 800 yards

[@CiviTac]

Most of it isn’t the shooting part at all. The radio is your best weapon, as they say

[@griftinggamer]

In a decentralized resistance, it sure can be...or 150 yards for that matter

[@roundrock63]

@ so true

[@dougsfriendskeeter]

​@@CiviTacstealth and preparedness is more a friend then any of that

[@rkokini9327]

@@CiviTacmost underrated utility/ necessity for sure. Everyone wants to be a taticool operator but 90% of it is communication and execution of plans with that information.

[@christianmccall4542]

Everyone thinks theyre a sniper. Ive met many people who claim to shoot 800 meters easy, I've never met anyone willing to go to the range and prove it. Ill be honest im not effective past 300 meters, and im okay with that.

[@andycraig6905]

You're aware of your capabilities and you're realistic. No shame in that, quite the opposite

[@CiviTac]

The cool part about long range is if someone shows you how to do it you can get out to 1000yds+ in less than 5 min.

[@SeanMurphy00]

Bruh, I can shoot a my 9mm handgun out to 1000 yards. What I can’t do is guarantee what it will hit.

[@1-501Infantry]

At least your honest. All you got to do is practice and keep practicing. Youll get there man

[@leegreene3059]

Had a guy telling me how good he is and he shoots a 1000 target all the time (were in Appalachia, 200 yards is rare here) so I pointed to a telephone pole ( 80 yards away) and asked how far... He said 400 yards, range finder proved that one wrong.

[@Pug351]

I've gone to Military and LEO sniper schools as well as Kent Gooch's Sniper program. The tactics and TTPs a civilian/Guerrilla "sniper" would need are not taught in military courses.

[@idkidk7985]

Different mission different roe , equipment, assets so on

[@robbysnipes9568]

If u were a regular line infantryman going to put down an “insurgent” threat would you rather that enemy be a few guys well trained with carbines and assaulting or a few guys good at long range shooting/evasion? I think the latter is far more dangerous personally

[@acem82]

Yes. Your men's lives matter more than doing things the "proper" (military) way. We are not expendable.

[@kylehansen6580]

Well put

[@klown463]

I think you underestimate just how dangerous an “assault” is. The only reason assaults take place is because offensives run on a schedule. If possible, it is always better to wait for an opportunity to shoot; that’s why US police hardly ever assault on BWC footage.

[@skibidibobsir]

Apparently in Ukraine the snipers became drone magnets so yeah the "fantasy" got crushed real quick.

[@lefunnyN1]

tbh a lot of things will need to adjust to the reality of cheap chinese thermal optics

[@klown463]

Everyone is a drone magnet in Ukraine

[@nash694]

I don’t dabble in long range shooting but I’ve always considered the opposite more effective. Closing with the enemy especially a more capable enemy without a 3 to 1 is unrealistic. I always thought if you can’t close with the enemy that evasion and engaging the enemy beyond reasonable distances was a more effective tactic. Choosing pre sighted kill zones with mined cover and concealment, multiple covered and concealed exfil methods, and obstacles between you and your kill zone is way safer. If you can’t properly engage the enemy I assumed harassment and asymmetric warfare as always being the safer route. I remember reading that’s specifically why the Taliban liked to engage units from extended distances because if they got close they knew they would fucking die. I don’t know that’s just my two cents.

[@klown463]

Yes, history proves this as this is exactly how our enemies unalived our soldiers while their “riflemen” were simultaneously getting glassed by our overwhelming air power.

[@jordendavid8992]

Basically what I’m getting at is that it’s too specialized of a role for most people to be effective in… noice

[@acem82]

TG, do you really think a scout/sniper role in WROL (in Minecraft) would have arty or a Battalion sized element? Or would they be used as the Soviets/Germans used them in WW2, pick off HVT and slow an advance? There's a reason why in WROL a "sniper" role is so useful, as the US found out in Vietnam, they are a force multiplier, and they are much less likely to d i e. Survival matters more than "locating, closing with, and engaging the enemy by fire and close combat".

[@mblake0420]

Agree 100 percent, can do more damage if you survive contact

[@realtruth1448]

Being a sniper in WROL is really good, but trying to snipe people in urban & suburban combat will be more different than a rural setting, you’re realistically better off with a PDW vs a sniper/marksman rifle, but in the case you have a squad, then yes having a designated sniper would come in handy, but the issue with that is the main points ahead, trying to snipe people in urban/suburban combat will be more difficult than you could every imagine, the stars would have to align for you to actually catch a nose wipe consistently

[@dougsfriendskeeter]

Why would I go anywhere near a city of the situation is that fucked. Its not realistic to be going door to door ​@@realtruth1448

[@urielmartinez2161]

Why would you be sniping in WROL? People would start hunting you if you just started murdering people

[@klown463]

Not just in Vietnam, in every war the US has been involved in, enemy marksmen took out a large share of the casualties whereas enemy riflemen got glassed. If you are solo in WROL, there is zero doubt being a “sniper” is better than being a rifleman.

[@earthlingtheaaron21]

This advice is useful in the context of someone wanting to join the armed forces. If someone wants a do it all gun ie home protection and hunting rifle, an AR10 is far and away the best option. In the context of choosing something to train with, an AR9 is far and away the best option as it has fighting rifle controls with ammo half the price of 5.56. 5.56 is a man and varmint cartridge. In a wrol scenario I’d want a 308 or 6.5 as they have good barrel life and are proven against whitetail and bigger game. The same applies for LPVOs and mpvos. I want magnification and a precise trigger to nail precision shots. This is coming from someone who can put 10 bullets within an MOA from an AR and also competes with handguns and PCC

[@timg7627]

Much of the hunting industry has gone full sniper fantasy as well.

[@Oldguy1900]

The only reason anyone was a sniper or a designated Marksman in the military is because we thought the guns were cooler

[@PeterReid1993]

On god. But learning to calculate distance judging from MIL’s measurements was super useful! Means I don’t need to use my LRF every fucking time when I go hunting. (Known measurement in centimeters x 10) / MIL’s = distance in meters Example: I’m looking at a deer in my optic and it measures 2 MIL’s tall at the shoulder. Average white tail deer is 91 centimeters at the shoulder. (91 x 10) / 2 = 455 meters approximately. I… may have autism.

[@janwrobel8912]

Guns are cool, but sapper shit is colerer.

[@GreatGobsOfGoo]

The century arms psl calls to me

[@dbelex]

Lol, are you joking????

[@thadisturbedone1606]

​@@dbelex let the man have his dragunov

[@smtxs9274]

​@@thadisturbedone1606 no fun allowed here

[@JohnDoe-37476]

what if there was a bad dragunov....

[@mattkilgore5328]

Big difference between being able to shoot long range and being a sniper. I shoot really long range regularly for fun but I am most definitely not a sniper. That being said, I'd rather have the capability and never need it than need it and not have it, even though I am 99% certain I will never use it outside of recreational shooting.

[@thaistomp]

Everyone should have a rifle that’s capable of reaching out to longer distances if needed 💯

[@allanjarnagin3540]

308 not because "aM sNiBbEr" but because it's windy and wide open as all fuск 90% of the time here. 10mph is a calm day, and 500m is an average sight line.

[@KeyboardWarrior101st]

As a former Assistant Squad Leader in a infantry battalion recon platoon, I fully concur.

[@tfsemployee410]

The DMR is not the same rifle with an optic. 762 is a lot different than 5.56

[@jeffreydommer7147]

I think the location someone lives largely dictates the range they may need to engage targets. If i lived on the great plains id want a scope and probably not a 5.56 personally.

[@CiviTac]

Depends. I lived in Oklahoma and 556 was pretty useful out to 700yds. Would rather have more power but it kinda depends on purpose

[@p51mustang24]

There's a surprising amount of 500+ yard angles in many urban areas, and a surprising amount of confined spaces in the great plains (or similar areas). YMMV

[@leegreene3059]

Here in Appalachia 200 yards is unheard of for deer hunters. Hell it's hard AF to find 200 yards to shoot, I can go up to 150ish then jump to 430 yards (on a saddle or ridge top to ridge top)

[@jeffreydommer7147]

It also seems to me that with open terrain (plains/farmland etc) thermal becomes much more useful/important.

[@user-qj9ye1uv8g]

@@p51mustang24 Your typical American city with a grid layout and wide openings of road is probably full of said long distance angles

[@1-501Infantry]

Our SDMs were issued EBRs. This was back in 09. Probably different now.

[@Luke1776]

Who were the homies in the gwot kunar province more afraid of? #1 tali with an ak #3 og muj with an enfield or possibly an svd

[@philliplopez1501]

Mujadeen with PKM machine guns. There were trenches dug all over the country where they could ambush any traffic. And oh yes, they would post up a couple guys on the ridge overlooking the Ambush site. Those guys usually had RPG's. Sometimes they would use explosives too. Other than that, I wasn't exactly happy when I found myself in a minefield. And was quite concerned when a sniper shot at my aircraft. Turned out to be a kid. I don't shoot kids. So we flew on. Stay safe, Phil

[@ThisHandleIsntAvailableTryANew]

Listen up sonny, you don’t need a so called sniper rifle. All you need is a m4 and a trusty acog with a 36m zero. You’ll be able to drop em at 500m. Know your holds sonny.

[@CA-by2br]

That thing is a damm gimmick sonny

[@gamersbilingue8653]

We can make fun of all the wannabe snipers but of I hear my fudd hunter neighbor is coming at me id be concerned. One should have some fear at all the fantastists

[@DruidTimer]

Professionals are predictable, amateurs are not... so yeah, I know some of those guys too.

[@jeffjag2691]

Recently lazed the neighbors houses (just out of curiosity) and learned how close 300 yds is and how far 600 yds is. That being said accuracy is the only edge a trained citizen has. I’m just zone recon, running over watch for the cattle against rustlers and reivers.

[@ivankrylov6270]

Remember kids, the difference between a marksman and a sniper is that one's a job, and the other is mental sickness

[@enochprophet2794]

Hey bro, don't be trashing the AR10, its like an AR15 but for adults.

[@wyattbottorff2473]

I agree. Rounds per pound is pretty much the biggest thing 5.56 has going for it.

[@leviransom9910]

Its crazy how many people dont understand a "sniper" isn't a person, its a job. Its what you do. Also, a "sniper rifle" isn't always a 30 cal long range tool. You can "snipe" a target from 30 yards with a .22 lr. Rant over. 😂

[@KeyboardWarrior101st]

@leviransom9910 When someone is filling a MTO&E sniper slot, it's because they are a sniper. You are correct that it's a job, but when people graduate sniper school they earn a B4 designation, which makes them a sniper whether or not they currently fill that role. Just like "mechanic" is a job but people doing that job are called "mechanics".

[@EugeneWorth]

If one hunts the old ways you have a basic understanding of snipe world,the tool of choice varies

[@jinenjuce]

I got into long range shooting because I get to hang back and be comfy instead of running around doing high speed low drag shit because I'm out of shape

[@realtruth1448]

People forget warfare has evolved, people have thermals now, drones with weapons mounted to them, and much more, realistically having a drone with a weapon on it is far better than relying on a sniper rifle

[@mghegotagun]

My weird sidequest is a mock 12. I just run the same bonded softpoints in it as the carbine.

[@JordanJJereb]

The meal team six who larps as a sniper is probably a pretty dangerous person TBH. He will probably live longer than the other larpers.

[@Blackntosh]

Ive been on Patreon since the very beginning! its worth the loot when you consider how much shit I didn't go buy because Trench helped me stay based and only get what we need. My kit is tight and done. My quiv is tight and done. Monster Minimal! Shred what you got! Yeeeeeeeeew!

[@cdncampcook8680]

KZbin snipers don’t realize they need a lot of cardio. Imagine taking a shot and then struggling to evade with your heavy rifle and gear over rough terrain 😅

[@jamesfloyd6803]

Belt fed over watch 👍

[@wyattbottorff2473]

Anyone can be a rifleman. Not anyone can be a proper scout, or sniper. That doesn't mean you shouldn't consider that you might be cut out for it.

[@capella95]

My main question is why does one "cut their toothbrush in half" ? 13:10

[@komwom]

Weight savings. Popular in the ultralight community as well

[@CiviTac]

I don’t know a single hunter or shooter (other than some comp shooters) who can shoot past 300m that I haven’t taught myself. I’m an incredibly average PR shooter and I have maybe 1000 rounds down range with my 6.5cm. Probably a little less. Very few people can shoot worth a damn. It’s difficult unless someone shows you how to do it

[@lars9168]

6.5 cm sounds more like a gun for ranges of 10 km :D

[@Gmny1MOA]

Keep telling yourself that...I must be special I can hit all day past 300...I qualified at cmp in talladega to get 600 and never missed a round...worst thing you can do is underestimate anyone

[@klown463]

All the more reason to stop being tacticool with the riced AR15 and start learning to shoot

[@Dennisrader-ff9gv]

This is us military sniper from the aggressing army. Defensive sniper is a whole different animal.

[@janwrobel8912]

Chad duty rifle vs Virgin discount bolt action.

[@MyFlexinIsAProblem]

I’m definitely a sniper with my Mock 12 SPR

[@joeb1776]

Everything I know about sniping I learned from COD ‘All Ghillied Up’ MW2. 💯

[@mr.dinder9287]

DM was a vibe fr. We had 7.62 for that role.

[@mobilegamersunite]

Not a sniper at all...as badass as that role is, its probably at the very bottom of my list of skills to work on. 😅 cqb is way more important to me and my family...considering i cant even see 500 yards unobstructed in my environment. Maybe if i lived in Nevada sniper training would be higher up on my list. 😅

[@jordendavid8992]

This, plus the amount of money spent on a “sniper” rifle would be spent on something your gonna generally use more or on supplies so you won’t have to fight people in general

[@mobilegamersunite]

@jordendavid8992 i have a few 308 rifles, the Armalite tac 16 came out really nice...im still not pretending.

[@kylekovac31]

Brother in Christ please read 3-20.98 before you denote personal experiences in C TRP 1-91 as Army wide doctrine. Recce is not a doctrinal unit term and scouts =\= snipers. Snipers go to sniper school and can be attached to scout platoons. (Sometimes they are tasked without having gone to the school but that is unit depending.)

[@SFE3610]

Lol keep em coming brotha. I honestly don't think sponsors are bad if your actually use and like the product. Myster ranch for example make fantastic stuff (expensive yes) but quality stuff none the less and I think recommending quality to your fans isn't a bad thing. It's when you start calling things quality or duty effective and it will break or wear within a year of heavy use. That's gucked up.

[@NeoStoicism]

*Big Brother Fears the American Sniper*

[@PistoleroJesse]

What about SPR in 5.56? Also "only 1 meal for every 8 hour"? Bruh, tell me you lift heavy without telling me you lift heavy.

[@klown463]

If we look at all of the wars the US has been involved in, it was the snipers that took out US personnel and not riflemen who get blown up by the dozens by air support. Yet snipers are larping?

[@mikhailkalashnikov4599]

PSL 54C for the vibes.

[@Bigfishboi7]

Everyone can be a rifleman.

[@Dennisrader-ff9gv]

I heard years ago they were getting rid of the "sniper school".

[@Bluemoon30-06]

Good one Trench. I believe that anyone without professional military training can only be a wannbe sniper, and never the real deal. Not to mention being a sniper is a difficult and highly specialized role, far from the everyman. I've seen countless threads over the years where some survivalists argue that X 308 battle rifle is superior to ARs and AKs because "muh stoppin powah" and they'll be picking dudes off at 900 yards... A foolish fantasy for kids who play video games all day and boomers who only shoot bench rest and never hike or patrol with their rifle or any kit, or just at all.

[@thadisturbedone1606]

Idk man if people can hit 600m+ shots with hunting rifles who's to say they couldn't hit the same shot on a person? And depending on the rifle of course 308 isn't that heavy the people carrying that likely wouldn't bring a ton of ammo and that would also save weight

[@Bluemoon30-06]

@thadisturbedone1606 Long distance shooting is a great skill to have and practice. But how could you justify making those shots? How do you know that someone is a threat intending to harm you, especially from so far away? Would you just engage everyone you see carrying a rifle?

[@thadisturbedone1606]

@Bluemoon30-06 good question, depends on the circumstances. If you see a shooting unarmed people he's probably the enemy though(unless you're the bad guy ig) but I think the marksman role personally would just be extending a little bit past regular rifle range and hitting guys your friends can't really hit.

[@Bluemoon30-06]

@@thadisturbedone1606 Yes, Designated Marksman is the way to go if you're interested in long range stuff, it's well rounded and realistically achievable.

[@Soli_Deo_Gloria_.]

No pedigree eh ? 😒

[@kodycavender666]

Scoped Carbine with a red dot gotcha 👍

[@wisemencompany]

Sound advice

[@schfiftyfive9680]

Apparently this guy has never heard of Juba.

[@CivilianAF.1483]

I'm too poor to train with 308

[@GUNROCKS1990]

Mark Wahlberg Shooter film (2007)

[@EdmondSeely]

Graff !!! I miss the Submarine bar!!!

[@FearRogue9]

14:00 thank you 👍

[@CaveLife652]

Yeah AR 10s are pretty lame... I really want to like mine, but the performance just isn't there, especially when you consider the weight.

[@MRsolidcolor]

its mostly people who play games and are like i do it like this in games i can easly do it in REAL LIFE...

[@Rupan-rx]

I def didn’t fall down the 243 ar10 cqb rabbit hole. Def not haha.

[@heatheruntz5315]

Why would you cut your toothbrush in half?

[@jacobassink6982]

Saves pack space

[@BurkeBerserker]

The amount of space it saves is so little it's pretty pointless... unless you plan on walking around with a toothbrush in your front pocket.

[@LostSourdough]

Ultralight backpackers do it to save weight

[@BlackElephantProject]

Er muh Gerd trench has a 33 on his shirt he’s in the ILLUMINATI!!!

[@alfred_NE]

Oh boy, another upload from the coal mines

[@AltronT]

It’s a snapper reyeful!

[@Hen993]

Do a rugar mpr (I'm a poor) and I'll join the patrion(i can't spell either) for a year 100%

[@ray-d-8647]

Vault 33 shirt 🎉

[@TheDesertSpear]

Dont attack me or my mosin 😂

[@elbowjeans]

some t-shirts would be cool

[@gordontingle7530]

Can you wait until I sell my pa10 before dropping this? Come on man

[@IronWolf234]

Good video, keep it going.

[@_considerations]

I would say training long range with a 556 is fine But thinking your dropping people with your 308 Aero AR10 🤣🤣like stop lying to yourself I do like training to 6-700 yards with my 556 New to it but it’s fun 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@mini14king76]

I’d take an M1A over an AR10 all day!

[@mikehoncho4637]

And they tell me what's they pedigree Like up on the roof, roof Tell your boyfriend not to be mad at me

[@chaoticcaninejb]

🤦🏻‍♂️

[@sergiomanuel6358]

❤

[@nsob8897]

I keep coming back to this channel for good christmas advice. I mean gun shit... Even though i know trench is secretly judging me for being a commoner. Its ok, i know im just an average shooter. And yeah, i got a nice cheapo bolt action in 270. Midwest guy... It shoots and puts holes in stuff my scope is pointed at. Itll work fine.

[@sidewinder3694]

As a former B4 guy trench is 100% right about the job being tough on you and just straight up sucking some times. Unfortunately not just ghillie show fashion shoots

[@philcutreful]

emoji emoji

[@yourangerfuelsme]

(((33)))

[@baneofbanes]

?

[@Soli_Deo_Gloria_.]

That's the power brokers that control everything favorite number.

[@BulkSquatThrust94]

**TG spergs out about Army specific bullshit* followed by** "JuSt buY an Ar-15". Cool story bro, needs more dragons.

[@nitronization1]

Well good thing I would rather be the guy with the lmg making a last stand.