ameritrash vs euro games

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[@Zalintis]

"You may trade with wood or iron BUT NOT FISH" for sure sounds like such a legit board game rule

[@Sofus.]

I just want to point out, the hessian rule is stupid and should be changed. Here are my new small compact 488 page supplement fix.

[@quattrocentobotte]

Brass: Iron can be taken from anywhere on the map when needed by paying the owner at the current iron price. Coal can NEVER teleport. Root: you can move your troops from a place to any adjacent location, provided you control either the origin or the destination. UNLESS you play the Riverfolk, who also define adjacency differently. 18XX: if a company you own goes bankrupt, you are responsible for their debt. UNLESS they are a limited liability company, or they are a partial capitalization company and they have shares available, in which case you may sell them at the current price to cover for their debt. UNLESS selling those shares would cause an illegal price movement across the 2D share price charts, of course. If the company has full capitalization, but owns a minor company as a shell company, and that minor company owns trains of its own, you may exchange trains at a symbolic price between the companies, provided both companies own a legal amount of capital at the beginning of next rounds operating phase. This, of course, provided these trains won't rust at that point, in that case your company will still fail to hold enough trains to operate. Nationalization may ensue at any point in this process, and completely change the value of your property once again. You MAY realize that this is probably more complicated than actual 19th Century finance. You MAY NEVER leave the table.

[@sergewind2208]

Actually it's a real rule. In Catan Seafarers expansion, you get fish cards you trade in for bonuses, but never between players.

[@malcolm3099]

@@sergewind2208 Fuck I was just gonna say that sounded like a Catan rule lol

[@haruhisuzumiya6650]

It's catan

[@369destroyer]

"What happens when you have tie in Jamestown" "You then take the dice.... and place it at a 2 to represent the fact there are two winners

[@Spamsgood]

Omg 😳 lmao 🤣 you had me in the first half

[@Zyk0th]

You go to war, by playing a game of Risk. There is no dice required in Risk.

[@cam4636]

@@Zyk0th You must first tally all of your resources except fish to determine your allies as listed in the 3rd table of the 7th appendix of the pamphlet. You may then determine who declares war first. There will be *no dice.* Victory is determined through V I C T O R Y P O I N T S

[@TheErnieforss]

Obvious it goes to the owner who owns the most bigoted fish. Here's a book on why, and an apology of the creators why bigots win.

[@felixflauta416]

Cannibalism

[@TheZapan99]

I happen to translate board game rulebooks. This is more accurate than you can imagine. Recently I translated a Euro game that included rules for Menopause and Xenophobia.

[@sherbertshortkake6649]

What the fridge

[@Rynewulf]

Are you allowed to say what games? Because they sound wild

[@d4n737]

You know, historians making board games is more common than you think.... And the thing about historians is they get hung up on EVERY. LITTLE. DETAIL They legit are going to point out that a piece of dirty cloth was found not in a certain town, but in a river that runs right next to it and is currently a part of the town but wasn't 1500 years ago so I'm right and you're wrong.

[@GavinG_]

@@d4n737 this is 100% accurate. Don’t even get them started on the nuances of people’s clothes and uniforms at the time…

[@theautisticguitarist7560]

Ah, the genders.

[@AlterationA]

I like how no genre is given the edge in this exchange

[@yosefyonin6824]

well only one genre has ~victory points~

[@MagicMan508]

@Yosef Yonin the other genre is board control, and how badly you screwed over/dominated your opponents

[@gabeskai]

Um, actually, one of them uses a bunch of dice, so I think there a clear winner hear 🤔

[@calebklingerman7902]

They both sound absolutely terrible

[@WolfWalrus]

You can tell that Sungwon loves both styles of game

[@retroinspect]

Ameritrash: play a 10 hour game to lose to a single die roll at the end Euro: play a 10 hour game that you lose in turn 1 because your opponent hate drafted the tile you need to complete a set during final scoring

[@Liuhuayue]

*19 hours

[@GamingintheAM0801]

I was blown away when my friends and I played Risk the first time. The way it was described to me always had me assume it was some strategy-heavy game for geography nerds, but the reality is that you're essentially calling dibs on countries at random and crossing your fingers that you roll a higher number than the other players. There's no actual tactics involved whatsoever.

[@wyn9693]

@@GamingintheAM0801 if you think there's no tactics you've been playing risk wrong my friend. Risk is a game of treaties, shouting matches and yet strangely a stronger friendship afterwards even if you hate their guts at the time

[@Makofueled]

@@GamingintheAM0801 meanwhile in Diplomacy

[@sammythehamster9093]

I remember first time playing Risk, there was one person who waited till other placd their pieces before shoving his in one area.

[@MrLordFireDragon]

Ameritrash: Flip a coin to choose who goes first. Eurogame: The player who most resembles a Tsar goes first.

[@andrewfsheffield]

I hate when they do cutesy stuff like that, One edition of pandemic had a rule like "The player who most recently missed a day of work because they were sick goes first!" You can tell it's a European game because in America we don't have sick days.

[@auberginemanproductions1608]

@@andrewfsheffield Alternatively, you could just not adhere to that and do youngest first or something.

[@KuroDHero]

in binding of isaac four souls (an american game) the saddest player goes first

[@fireaza]

Oh boy! All that in-breeding is finally paying off!

[@leahbeah1585]

@@KuroDHero yes, have a half hour discussion before the game about your trauma to see who is the most depressed.

[@SickegalAlien]

Ameritrash: assumes you own additional materials which are not packaged in the game Eurogame: actively condescends to you if you don't know niche trivia

[@dragosdominiosp]

Jamestown components are actually from: Grand Austria Hotel (Game board, Hotel board and white die), Suburbia (tiles), Agicola Revised Edition 2016 (Pumpkin tokens, Wood - not timber - and Stone - not Iron - as well as the blue farmer token) and Wendake (Third board, the one with the British flag). Yes, I'm that nerd.

[@serpyllum]

Well done.

[@aeryellae5837]

Also, the 800 page pamphlet included with the game is one of the Berserk Deluxe Edition volumes =P

[@fntthesmth423]

What about during the Ameritrash section?

[@bakaky0]

But what about the fish?

[@biowiener7825]

damn

[@StraveTube]

Ameritrash game: "haha what a silly and hyperbolic parody of games in that particular genre" Eurogame: "I... I think I've played that game"

[@Banjomike97]

Yeah after the first one I thought this is a parody after the second one I have to assume the ameritrash is also just a real game

[@ChakiOida]

@@Banjomike97 Oh yeah it is, so many kickstarter boardgames that come out are basically DnD Lite in a way. Lots of dice rolling, lots of minis. If you don't have minis, there's a ton of cards.

[@mangamanzx]

I've played that second game as an anime game, like that is literally how you play Heart of Crown

[@kerred]

To be exact ProZd uses Suburbia Tiles, Agrciola farmers and vegetable tokens.

[@shigerufan1]

Fortress America comes to mind

[@Alec1514]

Sounds like someone is afraid of the unrivaled THRILL of having to read the entire history of Europe to trade some fish and lumber for sheep

[@seanhennessy3968]

...TRADE FISH?!

[@Sky-CladObserver]

@@seanhennessy3968 But only during the Sea Phase

[@alexdasliebe5391]

Bro! Can’t trade fish unless you’re aligned with The Brits, or Hessians … or if its the sea-phase.

[@alextrollip7707]

Is being colonised by britain good enough to trade fish without being in the sea phase?

[@blackknightjack3850]

I trade everything for all the sheep because, if I get enough sheep, then I get the Watame win condition where I did nothing wrong.

[@rudasaeorien]

War of the War is the average shooting phase for a single squad of Orks

[@ElvenSonic]

and only three of those dice actually hit, two of them did damage, but the opponent saved on both.

[@baronprocrastination1722]

@@ElvenSonic aka, a single massive group of Lootas targeting a single target with dense cover. I'm still salty from that game.

[@matteorossi1172]

War of THE HAMMER OF THE WAR OF 2040000K

[@baron2062]

@@ElvenSonic clearly you havent actually been faced with a true shoota boys army. That shit is so fuckin fun to play

[@wafflestcattash4818]

or more accurately… WAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH DAAAKA DAAAKKA DAKKKA DAKKA WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHH

[@tomdekler9280]

Traditional Japanese games: You play using these oddly shaped pieces that are both beautifully ornamental and entirely illegible. This barely distinct piece can move in four directions unless it is beyond this line, after which it can move in 3 directions, then 1, and then it becomes Grand Diamond General Demonking and can move in three dimensions as it pleases. This is different for all pieces and you must memorize them all. If you gather two Ox 4 chips, a Summer Chrysanthemum and a 2, 6, 8 red dragon, you can call "Guh!" to double your Fupa. This is but one of 56 hands you can play for the East Wind, not counting the 3x56 other hand combinations that exist depending on what part of the compass you are sitting on at the table. If you Phon'd your Kengo in the second-to-last round, you can play as Fudo Myo'O the central wind and sit on top of the table.

[@ArkThePieKing]

Underrated comment and it's so frustratingly true lol

[@Shenaldrac]

Oh is *that* how you play mahjong?!

[@Dru_Stephan]

@@Shenaldrac Sounds like either mahjong or koi koi, neither of which I understand.

[@dragonfan8647]

This reminds me too much of my failed attempts to learn shogi and koi-koi

[@hazukichanx408]

Chinese language: "We're gonna need you to memorize about three thousand individual symbols before you can read or write." Mahjong: "This game is simple, you just need to know these four hundred pages of random shit." I'm beginning to sense a pattern... perhaps these things were invented primarily to export to Japan as a means of trolling...?

[@cam4636]

I laughed but then I remembered when my dad & uncle played Battle for Stalingrad, over several months, using changes in the stock market for dice rolls

[@adamburditt3941]

That actually sounds pretty cool lmao

[@alessiobenvenuto5159]

That's Hardcore stuff

[@cerberus9711]

Your dad and uncle are hardcore and I respect them

[@BeesechurgerProductions]

Reminds me of a game of Diplomacy a group of friends and I played over chat for about a year straight, that only ended when we realized we'd managed to re-negotiate ourselves back to the default starting borders.

[@Eldor-117]

Thats an elite pro board gamer move.

[@doshka17channel70]

Ah yes, Europe's greatest export. Victory points.

[@wtr3059]

How do you think we conquered the world?

[@knuppel8875]

@@contrapasso1539 Dont forget each war you lose a colony in south africa too.

[@Rhidcully]

Well... I am German. 😔

[@Madcapredcap]

@@contrapasso1539 Do you ever use dice

[@Full_Otto_Bismarck]

Don't forget their other great export. The Racist Parts That Nobody Asked For.

[@adamn8156]

As a Warhammer player, I appreciate the large quantities of dice being thrown at the board.

[@superspecky4eyes]

As an Ork player, I feel personally attacked.

[@adamn8156]

@@superspecky4eyes Same, I play Imperial Guard. I barely have enough dice to roll all my attacks

[@wrathofautumn]

As a warhammer ork player, I feel attacked. Rolling this amount of dice is important for my Dakka!

[@impguardwarhamer]

the second one is specifically a german board game. A british board game would be a highly intricate simulation of the war for north africa fought using 27 seperate boards, a 15 book long rule book detailing weapon profiles, logistics tables and the weather, and the game will last over 7 days.

[@EvilDoresh]

Are you talking about _The Campaign for North Africa_ here? (Don't forget that the Italians consume more water than other factions because they use pasta for rations, and you can't eat pasta without boiling water.)

[@DougsDrone-jv4wf]

@@EvilDoresh I mean, you can reuse that water... ARGH OK! NEVERMIND!

[@thejuiceking2219]

i'm pretty sure the first one was a british board game

[@JackgarPrime]

Bold of you to assume you can finish a game of Campaign for North Africa in only 7 days.

[@impguardwarhamer]

@@JackgarPrime you can if you're not a pussy

[@Phantomato2000]

"You will learn it while playing" -My friends

[@spacewargamer4181]

Classic 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@cheesedaemon]

"We will explain it for three hours straight, then we will have pizza, and then it will be time to go home"

[@TheDetonadoBR]

@@cheesedaemon "And now that you know how 2 play we'll never play this game again"

[@OodldoodlNoodlesocks]

My brother's friend as I played my first Necromunda game where he killed most of my dudes before telling me those deaths carry over into future games and I have to do maths between games to get them back or something.

[@Willqer]

*Looks at profile picture.* Now imagine Taker and Malinka trying to play-teach the rest of the house.

[@jeschoofs]

American games: WARCRIMES ARE BADASS European games: warcrimes are badass. But we also have an economic gimmick

[@Werewolf_Korra]

British Games: Warcrimes are badass, but we also don't credit our artists.

[@garyoak317]

Americans: WARCRIMES ARE BADASS AND OUR ECONOMY IS WARCRIMES

[@OtakuNoShitpost]

American games: play the warcrime card to do a warcrime Euro games: learn exactly why when and how to do this warcrime

[@shawndiaz7528]

First person shooters: warcrimes are badass. But we also have a shooting gimmick

[@juice6521]

America: Warcrimes Wooooo USA USA USA Europe: Warcrimes? What Warcrimes?

[@CrocvsGator]

"In this expansion to Jamestown, if the player chooses the 'Irish' faction, they cannot go first, cannot promote units, and constantly have a starvation debuff"

[@MarioSantos-zx4bj]

They also cannot play any card that isn't either 'pub' 'potato plantation' or 'alcohol'

[@mrfhd6227]

​@@MarioSantos-zx4bjDevestating blight cards are 2.5% as effective against them

[@CommandanteRamon]

In the "Slavic expansion", you can't build a University, but you have strong "Gopnik" workers... ;-)

[@mitchjohnson4714]

But you get the powerful “population growth” buff.

[@CrocvsGator]

@@mitchjohnson4714 Unless the opponent gets the "Modest Proposal" perk. Then it backfires.

[@Varron22]

You forgot that for Ameritrash your opponent also uses 5 different command cards that reroll half your dice as well as add a +1 to their saves while having your damage due half because now their survival ability has been doubled for the Mind Phase.

[@Mickekzon]

The ultimate irony is that Warhammer is an Eurogame.

[@Kitsu_Worm]

I should really make TTRPG with no dice after seeing this.

[@janehrahan5116]

@@Mickekzon Catan is american and is the most played "euro game"

[@Materialist39]

fuckin hate resolving the Mind Phase

[@thejuiceking2219]

i hate how they removed the diplomacy phase, the roleplaying opportunities were fun

[@jasonports8517]

Ameritrash: Secretely teaching maths. Eurogames: Secretely teaching law.

[@lsw3364]

If only there were games that secretely taught spelling

[@neuffatator]

Yes but in America we just say "math", not "maths".

[@jasonports8517]

@@lsw3364 scrabble

[@seymourglass26]

@@jasonports8517 He was correcting your spelling of "Secretly" in a super-fun, passive-aggressive way.

[@thepotatoportal69]

@@neuffatator Bro probably isn't American

[@Loalrikowki]

I'm going to need to read that 800 page educational pamphlet to figure out why the university is generating pumpkins, aren't I?

[@PlayMadness]

That's in a separate pamphlet.

[@random-mister912]

@@PlayMadness Yeah, it's in volume 367, unfortunately you can't skip any pages because every page explains why the university generates pumpkins. ..there are 9,638,183 pages in that one.

[@freeheeler00]

I feel this is an underrated inquiry.

[@alphu5]

hoho silly ameritrash. You need the novel of Limpithicus volume 5 to understand that the University is the election module for the pumpkin recollectors in 1752 only not 1753 or 1751.

[@Ultrakilltree]

Let me teach you a secret if you want to figure out how the game properly works in only a 15 page summary turn to page 6,782 of volume 237, *unless* your playing on the 2008 edition.

[@BigFingerRo]

Somewhere in the distance, Klaus Teuber angrily jots down the idea, along with 9 more expansions for it that costs 100 usd each.

[@Gashahn24]

RIP btw.

[@jesseclark7105]

Stefan Feld: "Hey can I copy your homework?"

[@AlamarianJ]

Exploding dice is a real mechanic, if anyone wasn't aware. I'm familiar with it from the TTRPG Savage Worlds, where rolling a 6 means you keep that result and reroll the dice. Yes, sometimes dice can explode multiple times. Never when you really need them to, of course.

[@emi_is_absent]

it's the highest number on the dice in SWADE, not necessarily 6. though i think there was an old version of Deadlands that only used d6

[@schattenwind5351]

In our last round of Chaos in the old World, some lone warriors repeatedly made 4 hits with a single die...

[@kevinschultz6091]

@@emi_is_absent - Might have been an Alpha - I owned all the original Deadlands games, and they used the full d4-d12 (plus a d20 for hit location).

[@yakobsoulstorm5187]

This is a plot point in TTS where a severely underleveled character keeps rolling 20s leading to his sword strike obliterating the boss from the fabric of reality.

[@Tavor57]

American table-top games: So I heard you like dice and randomness. European table-top games: So I heard you like power gaming and ruining friendships.

[@ChocoHearts]

Monopoly: why not both?

[@adrianseanheidmann4559]

@@ChocoHearts I fucking hate monopoly.

[@fluffydragon1525]

@@ChocoHearts ah, capitalism

[@rainawareness1495]

The fuck is power gaming?

[@bigmoe9856]

@@rainawareness1495 doing every little thing to gain an advantage just to win and possibly arguing against any disadvantages or flaws.

[@Webhead123]

Ameritrash: "That's a great plan! Unfortunately, you didn't roll well enough on your Agility test to cross the unstable bridge. Maybe next time." Euro Game: "That's a great plan! Unfortunately, you forgot that the exchange rate for iron is reduced by 25% on the second round after a player triggers the Market Evaluation phase by selling 10 or more total goods during the same round in which another player acquired the Union Contract token. Maybe next time."

[@JonathanBarouch]

This is phenomenal

[@jackskellingtonsora]

Whoah. I'm pretty sure you just read the real rules for Brass.

[@Webhead123]

@@jackskellingtonsora Ah ha! I *knew* there was something about that game that rubbed me the wrong way! ;-)

[@epicboxx3838]

India: just roll the dice and move on the board. Get all four, three, or two, or even one of your circles into “home” (yes I’m talking about parcheesi, yes that is he name of it)

[@ollih.901]

@@Webhead123 There is a german board game from the 70's, the name is "playboss". The Euro game line could be from the rulebook. In the more complex version of the game you need pen and paper to calculate the taxes and interests you have to pay after each year for credits, loans, union stuff and so on.

[@cavendor5286]

‘There will no dice required for this pamphlet’ made me laugh more than I’d like to admit

[@somugaienparfu7752]

After watching this multiple times, I just realised Sungwon only ever recorded 'Victory Points' once, and just replayed it for the other three times.

[@WatchItPlayed]

Pretty accurate.

[@itschef1693]

Pretty accurate.

[@georgegoodwin6741]

Pretty accurate.

[@Leron...]

Technically there's also separate rules for the solo variant...but I'll leave those for you to discover on your own.

[@Gafweebo]

[@frostyz8091]

Woah it's watch it played

[@Omenvreer]

eurogames: ‘Why would you throw dice? That is so barbaric.’

[@Whurlpuul]

*Julius Caesar has left the chat*

[@andyb9720]

Games Workshop monopolized all the dice in Europe for use in Warhammer cornering the market on dice production. To survive other games had to adapt to non-dice rolling systems.

[@robeseller6530]

@@andyb9720 for real?

[@TheDarkChaplain]

@@robeseller6530 No. It's a joke because Warhammer traditionally escalates the dice rolling. Rolling 50 dice in an assault phase for a single unit isn't unusual, and it's slowed games down to an insane degree. ....and then they make something like Apocalypse for 40k, which is basically "put your entire collection on the table and buy more dice" and recommend to take an entire weekend off to actually finish a game. Spoiler alert: It probably won't be enough time anyway.

[@fraser1614]

@@TheDarkChaplain honestly it's why I prefer age of sigmar at this point, I don't actively want to shoot myself playing it as the rules are fairly easy and simple to understand. Though some of 40k bloat has started to infect aos

[@NRSGuardian]

I find it ironic that a lot of the mechanics mentioned in the Ameritrash portion are found in Warhammer 40K, a game from the British company Games Workshop.

[@8thlvlMage]

The answer is Warhammer was made in the 90's (maybe earlier?) where the only gimmick/hook any game designers had thought of was "Roll more dice." The 90's answer to everything was generally "more of that thing." 😄

[@Rynewulf]

@@8thlvlMage it was the early 80's wasnt it?

[@Rynewulf]

They learned our ways, again. Sorry about that old chap, the bad habits seem to rub in the family

[@vincenturquhart1370]

thats because eurogames are actually just german lol

[@Jupiter-T]

@@8thlvlMage Yeah and now everything is Catan.

[@Ed-1749]

I am realizing that 40k is both of these. "For combat, roll 100 dice and count how many are above your ballistic score. Then proceed to the next 3 combat phases, including the psychic phase, the charge phase, and the fight phase. After your combat, proceed to the command phase, where you will tally up victory points based off the location of your models in relation to the objectives, and also to the sub objectives you picked at the begining of the game that relate to the intricate lore of your army(please read the codex for more information). The victor is determined at the end of round 5 by who has the most victory points. One solid way to ensure you have the most points at the end of the game is to WIPE THEM OFF THE BOARD by rolling ONE MILLION DICE in your shooting phase(engages Tau high output burst cannons)"

[@mslabo102s2]

Now THAT'S how you get a massive audience.

[@CyarSkirata]

The mere mention of tau always reminds me of the only game of 40k I ever watched, in which a single basic Tau drone killed a Tyranid hive tyrant one-on-one in melee.

[@JeepnHeel]

Sounds fun, but are Tau aligned with the British or Hessians? I really wanna trade this fish

[@thejuiceking2219]

i mean it's british, britain's basically where europe and america interject

[@FictionRaider007]

As an avid board game player it hurts how accurate all of this is. The only thing missing is a Kickstarter Board Game with a million plastic minis.

[@thedeadpoolwhochuckles.6852]

WELCOME TO MILLION MINIS! roll your dice move your minis roll your minis move your dice dice your minis move your roll! its as fun as it is asinine!

[@dnvnnck]

Can't wait to get my game in 3 years !

[@Terry_Pie]

@@dnvnnck Three years? You're optimistic.

[@dnvnnck]

@@Terry_Pie that's the current date. Should be pushed back again by the end of next quarter, but then they'll launch a new Kickstarter for their other idea.

[@jam_plays_games]

Kickstarter... Board Game? Is the board game community actually big enough that it has indie companies and kickstarter campaigns?

[@euphoria7798]

as a german, i have played this exact game before and lost my mind over the three hundred over complicated rules and historically accurate scenarios

[@Susul-lj2wm]

as a german I declare you WEAK. go read the rulebook 5 more times

[@umbranoctis4348]

I don't remember anything about the game, but those PUMPKINS look incredibly familiar

[@ephemera...]

Hahaha I love this comment

[@JW-ws4op]

@@umbranoctis4348 Reminds me of the pumpkins (vegetables) from Caverna.

[@ManiyaVinas]

How can you get not bored of this

[@billcipher147]

Have you already seen the world record attempt for the fastest match of Jamestown? Some madlad was able to finish it and win in just 3 days, 22 hours and 47 minutes of continous playing, and managed to fall asleep only eighteen times! Thats two world records in one games. Pretty impressive stuff.

[@davidb7406]

But did he do it with the latest expansion? The one that a new phase that involves writing a dissertation on the impact of the Peace of Westphalia on modern international diplomacy? Cause if he didn't, should it even really count?

[@robinrehlinghaus1944]

You see, European board games are the theoretical simulation of geopolitics, whilst American board games are just about carrying out quests given to you through fighting in complicated ways .... Wait, I'm beginning to sense a pattern here...

[@clipboss8052]

Well, Pragmatism is a very American philosophy. And our go-getting attitude is just as responsible for getting us into trouble as it is getting us out of it.

[@robinrehlinghaus1944]

@@clipboss8052 That may be.

[@cheydinal5401]

I mean really both are just random mechanics that are *themed* like a "simulation of geopolitics" (which they really do seem to be aiming for) or combat. Like, the dynamics, similar to what happens in say EU4 or other Paradox games (especially EU4 is basically just a board game with tons of bord game mechanics and provinces), are are completely different from anything in the real world, it's just themed in a certain way In board games of course that's inevitable, but for video games tbh I feel like it's unfortunate that basically no game tries to actually have some dynamic from the real world that it tries to truly capture, like how in the negotiation-focused board-game Diplomacy, the negotiation is actually "real" and has similar dynamics to real-world negotiations, or in say World Of Tanks you do actually fight in probably pretty similar ways how squadrons of tanks actually fight against each other (sort of, ish) If you're interested, I and somebody else have been working on an indie economics-centered grand strategy game for 4 years, called War By Other Means. It's still in development but we already have an early, downlodable beta you can theoretically play, you can find us by googling for "War By Other Means discord", where you'll find the server. Eventually we'll also release it on Steam though, so no need to download a sketchy file from a stranger, but you can wait on the server if you like and take a look

[@HelloFutureMe]

The single "wat" from the dice-lover just made it

[@kaderloop785]

Hey Tim! I love your channel!

[@FredHMusic-gr7nu]

Sup Tim!

[@tarrasquescroll9385]

@@FredHMusic-gr7nu Team soup, for English speakers

[@joshbishop]

Ayyyy fancy seeing you on this part of town!

[@Galuna]

My favourite part is when his accent slips when he says 'no dice' the third time.

[@no-browentertainment9720]

The way he uses the same sound byte every time he says “Victory Points” was a nice touch

[@BeybladeASMRreviews]

He umm... he doesnt tho...

[@Mis7erSeven]

The best part for me is, he portrayed both styles of games in a hilarious way that I can't even tell if he likes one of them more than the other.

[@jaycue7641]

Dude, I died at "You may negotiate using timber und iron. But NOT FISH!!!"

[@Mis7erSeven]

Fish is only allowed during the sea phase UNLESS you are alligned with the British or Hessian army. There will be NO DICE required for this pamphlet :P

[@Patterrz]

Looks like no one told EA about the NO Dice rule

[@TheJorFour]

Not where I expected to find a wild Patterrz, maybe it's a randomiser 👍

[@greenapple9477]

@@TheJorFour I've seen him here before, he's basically all over teh place.

[@NathanJ666]

It’s EA not EU

[@yourboi5492]

Pay to unlock no dice rule!

[@Feral174]

Don't forget Slugmanuts died for 30$

[@mariolucario493]

"Then you roll three dice to see how many dice you roll with" -Ben Wyatt, on the rules of Cones of Dunshire

[@bookshelfhoney]

It's all about the cones

[@HackWeight]

Exactly what I was thinking of when I saw this

[@AutumnWoodham]

If my D&D experiences have taught me anything, it's that when someone roles three dice and then more dice, it's a bad sign.

[@c0horst]

Literally warhammer 40k, lol. My squad of Assault Centurions has 10 flamers... roll 10 dice to see how many dice you get to roll for attacks!

[@Brabbel93]

@@c0horst seriously? XD

[@maverickREAL]

I love how both games suck in their own unique way, but at the same time... I'd probably play both

[@freezerburnv]

It has taken me multiple times of watching this to realize... I think ProZD actually says "After 19 real-time *owls* have passed" and that is such an incredibly subtle joke I love it so much.

[@Miss_Palindrome]

I wasn't expecting to see such an accurate representation of these kinds of tabletop games in under 2 minutes.

[@michaellooks8397]

@Lotus *loads report feature with malicious intent*

[@Madcapredcap]

The man knows his board games

[@pandemicphilly60]

IT WAS ONLY 2 MINUTES?!?!?

[@JohnJRM]

Keep an eye out for our next expansion, "Jamestown: Decline into Tourism"!

[@endel12]

Ouch, gonna need to roll a fortitude save for that burn

[@cannotthinkofaname7904]

I still have my copy of "Jamestown: The 4th grade school field trip" which includes the "Unexpectedly enthusiastic cannibalism" pack

[@randomsandwichian]

Also the expansion, "Jamestown: Descent into Capitalism"

[@merrittanimation7721]

"Jamestown: Get burned down by bacon."

[@Blueturtle1]

@@endel12 fortitude?? What are you? A caveman? Constitution is where it’s at

[@PsychoDiesel48]

I love every time he says in the same monotone "Victory Points!"

[@CT--od7ux]

The Fact That You Roll 20 D6's and if any 2 dice match you rool 20 more, makes going to the next phase impossible

[@joshuashelley9481]

Well, you only reroll if different numbers match each time. That means at most 7 rolls total, unless you use one of your ammo caches to call in a supply drop to let you start the whole rolling phase over again from scratch.

[@crungus.5427]

me and my family used to play Carcassonne all the time growing up, and the "now with wheat" joke about expansions is incredibly accurate

[@queencyrys6309]

I feel like i must have played carcassonne wrong when i played it because my game lasted 50 minutes and i felt confident in what i was doing, which meant i was definitely fucking up somewhere

[@crungus.5427]

@@queencyrys6309 to be fair, I don't think carcassonne is actually that hard to pick up! I've not really played any other "euro games" but I get the impression that it's a lot simpler than most, so there's every chance you were doing fine haha. I mostly just find it funny how the majority of the gameplay is just stuff like placing dudes in fields and it still manages to be consistently really exciting

[@somerandomgamer8504]

Carcassonne is certainly a lot easier comparatively; still play it on my phone sometimes, and used to play it a lot vs my mother. I remember there was a River expansion pack, so that seems fitting

[@erilovegrove1622]

I remember crying over Carcassone when I was 8 LMAO. We bought an extension pack with rivers i think.

[@ParasiticTruth]

@@queencyrys6309 kzbin.info/www/bejne/enuVhJxoqM97hLs

[@ClickBeetleTV]

"Unless you are aligned with the British or Hessian armies" makes me laugh every time

[@skuddingomcwinters6119]

So is fish is a situational resource? I think after the game ages, all the fish pieces will get lost cause no one wants to read the resources section of the 800 page guide.

[@mollusckscramp4124]

I was so surprised to hear myself say after the mention of an 800 page manual "Actually... I would like to know why" lmao

[@Conorator]

@@skuddingomcwinters6119 I would think that the most used pieces would get lost, due to somebody picking it up, dropping it while moving it, it rolling onto the floor and then under a piece of furniture, never to be seen again. The unused pieces would end up just sitting in the box forever.

[@DougsDrone-jv4wf]

@@Conorator Every avid gamer needs a 3D printer, which are relatively very affordable these days. This goes x10 for avid Warhammer 40K players.

[@Conorator]

@@DougsDrone-jv4wf Don't the cheaper 3D printers print in less detail? For how detailed Warhammer 40K miniatures are, I'd be surprised if a lower end 3D printer could stand up to that level of quality.

[@lordkaos31]

I love that the euro game can be beaten by one player getting a slight advantage and just not making a move for the remaining time.

[@novozal]

"If your turn lasts for longer than 1 minute, your colonists start to eat each other and you lose all your [Victory Points]"

[@emblemblade9245]

I definitely don’t understand how lol

[@kevinschultz6091]

@@emblemblade9245 - one of the flaws in a lot of European games is that you are essentially setting up an intricate clockwork machine to generate victory tokens (which is fun and fine - that's the point), but a single decision made early in the game will cause you to loose, but the actual endgame still takes 3 hours to get to, so you're stuck playing a game you know you have no chance of winning. There are some possible ways of addressing this with some game mechanics (ie, catchup game mechanics), but it tends to be a hallmark of the genre.

[@NakAlienEd]

@@kevinschultz6091 Ah, so Monopoly?

[@kevinschultz6091]

@@NakAlienEd - yes, in the sense they're in the same genre (vague simulation of a historical or economic principle), as Monopoly was originally created by a socialist to prove a point about capitalism. The point being "getting ahead is really a matter of luck, but once you're there you can use your advantageous position to really screw people over using monopolistic powers, and there's really nothing anyone else can do to stop you." (ie, one of the explicit rules is that once you run out of a resource - such as houses or hotels, you can't get any more: so it makes sense to buy them up as quickly as possible, so others can't get them.)

[@beowulfmacbethson9675]

Eurogame: The sinews of war is infinite money. We are here to create. Ameritrash: The sinews of money is infinite war. We are here to destroy.

[@swissarmyknight4306]

I'd like to solve the puzzle: They're two different faces of colonialism.

[@willow5945]

Talisman: The sinews of war and money is the Crown of Command. We are here to go get it.

[@TheIronArmenianakaGIHaigs]

Euro games do like their economic trade management gameplay. Anyone want to trade to a Brick for 2 wood?

[@freakymoejoe2]

A brick for TWO wood? IN THIS ECONOMY?

[@frankcastello9320]

Nah I have a settlement on a port, so I'm good. Got any rocks, though?

[@cathulu7975]

Three wood and you've got yourself a deal

[@zetworp1]

I'm fine on lumber. I'll give you a brick for a sheep though.

[@wolfstar1253]

Sorry I only got three copper. Do you know what the exchange rate is?

[@drevyek1785]

American games: Punch your friends in the FACE and call them ASSHOLES Euro games: Never look your fellow players in the eye, and only interact with them by sometimes taking 1 coin.

[@Niko-pd5yh]

It really is cultural ;u;

[@L3X1N]

And the Euro games' interactions feel, somehow, *more* personal.

[@vayalond7203]

@@L3X1N Because it has several turns of preplanning before it, it's not a simple interaction but a full Treason

[@FlamingZelda3]

The first one is simple but incredibly arduous (Usually involves some sort of lottery mechanic too), the second has rules which freeze your brain and make you feel the need to call a professional lawyer before and after every move you make.

[@jaycue7641]

American games: Roll to use a spell!!! Euro games: Roll to determine the acidity of the soil on the 100 acres of farmland that you wish to sell to another player. Then barter for the dowry for your Daughter who will be wed to the other player's son on the eve of the town's greatest tragedy and determine if the whole village contracts the plague at the bi-annual celebration before harvesting your crop of barley.

[@hoffedemann5370]

Wrong. There aren't any dice in a euro game

[@revimfadli4666]

@@hoffedemann5370 Catan

[@Pigmachine2000]

catan is american@@revimfadli4666

[@AdamCronoz16]

Lysanderoth: "King dragon sends his...Victory points"

[@derekchristenson5711]

But not his fish!

[@whosthisguyagain3153]

There will be no dice required to kill Archibald!

[@gwenythice7230]

Ha! I think that enemy got the (victory) point

[@The-ix5tb]

My Victory points have been undetected for real 8 hours

[@ChrisLeeW00]

Meanwhile Chadicus and Bradicus are rolling fistfuls of dice.

[@Funny24686]

Julius Caesar: "the die is cast" Eurogames: we dont do that here.

[@jeffreyallers336]

Well, Alea Iacta Est (literally, "the die has been cast") is a Euro-style dice rolling game! As well as Kingsburg, etc.

[@matttondr9282]

@@jeffreyallers336 Lol I was about to say 😂

[@davidwuhrer6704]

That explains why, after crossing the Rubicon, Caesar coundln't find anyone to fight for three days and had to go back.

[@YellowCable]

"there will be no dice required for this phase" I love that part with the hopeful smile and then the disappointment

[@Jupiter-T]

The Tchaikovsky Nutcracker music in the second part was just the perfect touch

[@HailTheRegent]

"There will be no dice required for this pamphlet" is perhaps one of the funniest lines I've ever heard

[@Bedinsis]

He didn't say "pamphlet", he said "part".

[@Shenaldrac]

@@Bedinsis No, listen again. He says pamphlet at that part.

[@Bedinsis]

@@Shenaldrac *rewatches*... Huh, you're right at one of the instances he does indeed say "pamphlet". For the rest he says "phase", not "part". My bad.

[@Shenaldrac]

@@Bedinsis No worries! Thanks for admitting it instead of just doubling down like a lot of people do online. Stay cool!

[@sourwitch2340]

What they both have in common: an unreasonable amount of time spent determining what the result of that single move you just made actually is.

[@MClilypad]

And after moving 13 pieces from 7 different locations you discover that your move was illegal, so you have to reset everything and find a new move.

[@sourwitch2340]

@@MClilypad Better yet: You make the above move and go over it and think it's legal. And then as you check if another thing you did later on was fine, you find that little sentence that topples everything you did ten turns ago.

[@SageArdor]

@@sourwitch2340 precisely why I do not believe more complexity makes a game better. if complexity comes at the expense of comprehension, it's just cumbersome

[@sourwitch2340]

@@SageArdor eh. I mean complexity doesn't always come at the price of comprehension, and simplicity can come at the price of being boring or at least little engaging. Betrayal on House on the Hill for example is a fairly complicated game but it works because it's well-composed and that fits into the more roleplay-esque premise. Basically, tldr; some games can do complex, some can't. What matters is that your rules work for your game. A quick and fun family game Uno would not be if it had 25 special cards, but if done well that could turn it into a weird party game, even with repeated referencing of rules involved, and especially if the confusion caused by that is effectively intentional.

[@lowcostfish]

@@SageArdor Complexity can make a game a bit slower on your first game or two, and can sometimes lead to some misplays when you're still unfamiliar with the rules. Even in those first few games, appropriate complexity makes for such a good experience. And when you're familiar with the game, it's amazing. Complexity can be great in a tabletop game but a side effect is that it takes some learning and referencing the rules.

[@awesierra704]

I love that in zombiedemic you roll 20 dice and only 3 of the dice he is holding are d20s, which means you would roll additional dice forever.

[@emlmm88]

Yep lol. Pigeonhole principle

[@emlmm88]

@@theAstarrr It’s funnier if it’s iterative.

[@justarandomguy2424]

As someone who often plays Catan with 4 expansions 7 rulebooks and around 5 hours of playtime with my family, this is too accurate

[@mikereed4594]

"There will be no dice required for this pamphlet" was great, because even the dice guy had a look that was kinda like "reading this PROBABLY doesn't take dice, but I do REALLY want to use it..."

[@Slasgo]

@@cube4547 I saw no human beings, only the husk of a creature suffering from fatal dice deprivation

[@RabidHobbit]

"the dice guy", love it

[@RabidHobbit]

@@cube4547 pretty sure Mike is talking about the character (Euro gentleman and Ameritrash dude)

[@Slasgo]

@@cube4547 So you're saying you can't praise, for example, the writing in a movie because one person wrote the script and the acting intentionally complimented it?

[@majickman]

@@cube4547 You sound fun at parties.

[@eugenepioquinto5222]

Ashamed to admit how long it took me to realize Jamestown was satire…

[@diegotejada55]

You shouldn't be ashamed, it's just that ridiculously accurate

[@AvalonRegarnished]

It confused me because I think there is a real game called Jamestown

[@K4RN4GE911]

@@AvalonRegarnished Yeah, except the one I'm thinking of was a fun as Hell side scrolling shoot-em-up!

[@AllUpOns]

The Suburbia hex tiles didn't give it away?

[@irokosalei5133]

Is it ? I'd play this game

[@SsnakeBite]

I got Jamestown confused with Jonestown at first and was simultaneously relieved and disappointed by what the actual game turned out to be.

[@jam_plays_games]

The objective of za game iz to obtain “Victory Kool-Aid”

[@pineappleTARDIS]

Same I was bracing myself for a kool-aid joke 😅

[@BrandonZombieII]

I love that clock with the birds. My great aunt had one when I was growing up, and seeing it always brings back tons of memories

[@Jupiter-T]

Same! Is this a great aunt thing?

[@sleepybakura]

i had this clock as a kid, was so surprised to see it!

[@EmperorSeth]

Lysanderoth, quietly playing board games, nervously watching to see if Dennis tracked him to the Board Game Dimension next.

[@cristaltophat]

Maybe Dennis can't do it till he rolls higher then a one in James Town

[@agentCDE]

"Wait, if the total trade of iron exceeds the number of fish caught, then the victory points go to-" "YES, IT WAS I! MY MACHINATIONS LAY UNDETECTED FOR SEVERAL TURNS, FOR I AM A MASTER OF DECEP-"

[@MrAuthor3DS]

Wait, is this a secret timeline where Lysanderoth's voice was less baritone and more Germanic?

[@BigBoy257]

@@cristaltophat NO DICE IN JAMESTOWN!!!!

[@cristaltophat]

@@BigBoy257 Exactly 😈

[@thanatoast8869]

The victory points are essential, how else am I meant to know I’m winning?

[@WideMouth]

Checkmate! Wait…

[@eldorados_lost_searcher]

I heard that in Werner Herzog's voice.

[@BobertJoe]

Thats the trick with Euro games- You dont! Until the very end. Because the victory points only give a very rough approximation of who is in the lead, some of the time.

[@ammarlalji5208]

But you forget each player has hidden objetives that change the worth of victory points there for the number you see is meaningless

[@a.wosaibi]

with DICE!!!!

[@cribbibalibba2383]

This is why I like 40k its the perfect mix of both aka eurotrash

[@gregoryhayes7569]

40K is neither Ameritrash nor a Eurogame. It's a wargame, which has been recognized as distinct from both of those for a very long time.

[@CaptainRegular]

@@gregoryhayes7569 He was making a joke, dink.

[@reilynn7891]

I can't believe it took me this long to realize this, but if you roll 20 six-sided dice, its impossible for there not to be matching dice. Meaning your turn would never progress and you would just keep rolling dice in sets of 20 forever.

[@user-qi6pv9jh7o]

Let computers roll everything

[@tbotalpha8133]

@@user-qi6pv9jh7o No, you don't get it. The dice have only 6 sides. You're rolling 20 of them. To avoid re-rolling, every dice you roll would have to have a unique result. But that's impossible - there's only 6 unique results possible. So even if the first 6 dice gave unique rolls, every die after that would have to match one of the first 6.

[@webbowser8834]

Today on "The Pidgeonhole Principle", aka that one thing you probably figured out in Elementary School but for some reason you'll never hear about in class until you take a college level CS or Statistics class.

[@sirapple2406]

The German accent completes this at the spiritual level.

[@Matzkxmx]

I vould take offense but i love zat game

[@MarzipanCat.]

This is not an accurate German accent

[@hildegunstvonmythenmetz6095]

Wasn´t he supposed to be *extremely* British?

[@rotomfan63]

That and "Victory Points" played in a weird stopping way like it's the same recording each time but for those two words

[@shadebinder3599]

@@hildegunstvonmythenmetz6095 no this is definitely a German accent. Or what we perceive as a German accent in the US anyways

[@Outrun37]

Jamestown has the nastiest art you'll ever see on a board game cover, but is mechanic bliss for purists.

[@thewhyzer]

What are you talking about, Jamestown is one of the best looking pixelart bullet hell shmups!

[@StephenLeaSheppard]

My favorite thing about this video is that I just used it to explain Warhammer 40k to a friend, and the explanation was, imagine a game that is both of these games.

[@ValeBridges]

Y'know what, checking your opponent's favourite food kinda makes sense for a zombie game.

[@Jchmcom]

If you combined the games you would have racist zombies and exploding fish. Sounds like a Magic: the Gathering set.

[@wisetree8330]

Sounds fun

[@MagnusCantRead]

Racist zombie (3)🖤🖤 When racist zombie enters the battlefield all non-zombie creatures gain -1/-1, all zombie creatures gain +1/+1 2/3

[@MagnusCantRead]

Exploding fish (1)💙💙 Instant Deal 3 damage divided amongst 3 targets

[@GarmrKiDar]

or a Lovecraft story

[@OrigamiAhsoka]

Ikr

[@EvilGuacamoleGaming]

This makes me want a euro styled zombie game where you are really managing resources and an American styled construction game set up harvesting is done like combat.

[@konnosx1213]

Now i imagine a frazetta-like cover of a manly buff dude holding a scythe standing on top of a pile of dead... wheat

[@EvilGuacamoleGaming]

@@konnosx1213 love it.

[@TheJP100]

A famous man once said: You think you do, but you don't.

[@bardofvoid174]

Idk if it's euro-styled, but Rebuild 2 comes to mind (Though it's not a board game)

[@Islaras]

Love this.

[@nobodyimportant5140]

Can we get Jamestown going on kickstarter? I’ll happily pay extra for the “Now with Wheat” and “The Racist Parts that Nobody Asked For” expansions.

[@dissect123]

All true. To quote famous German football (not soccer!) player Lukas Podolski: "Football is like chess, just without the dice". Have a good day.

[@seawind930]

Wow, we have a really similar game over here called Soccer, glad Europe is picking things up from our culture

[@theharold5948]

Football, but not soccer football? So he's a German guy who plays American football?

[@dissect123]

@@theharold5948 he is a German football player. I meant to indicate that we use the correct term "football" to describe the sport instead of the wrong term "soccer".

[@dissect123]

@@seawind930 you know the difference between a yogurt and the US? The yogurt has a culture.

[@theharold5948]

@@dissect123 regional dialects have left the chat

[@cryochamberlabel]

Accurate. I love Eurogames for the mechanics, but my god the themes are usually so boring: pig farmer, sheep farmer, wheat farmer. Where are the zombies at?

[@marcipsy8152]

Is it so surprising that games revolving around building an economy are thematically based on.. well, economies? Not all eurogames are like this, though. Take Spirit Island, which is highly thematic and has Spirits working with magic. But it's a eurogame gameplay-wise (no dice, only strategy and card/resource management).

[@cryochamberlabel]

@@marcipsy8152 I'm half joking. But I think it also has to do with medium-heavy board games being more family oriented in Germany than in the US. You could make games about building up an economy in a war torn space empire after all. Yes Spirit Island is great, I'm glad that euro mechanics has become expanded upon in other themes. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy being a sheep farmer too, but I prefer building space empires. :)

[@AegixDrakan]

I dunno if it's european or not, but look up "In The Name Of Odin". It's Viking themed and feels much more eurogame than ameritrash. :P It's also got a LOT of resource finagling and construction going on, but after like 3 turns it all flows super smoothly and I love it.

[@cryochamberlabel]

@@AegixDrakan Thanks for the recommendation, will put it on my list right next to Rosenburg's "Feast of Odin" which I've been itching to pick up.

[@cadekachelmeier7251]

The zombies are probably farming.

[@DCBiscuit]

“Thank you Jamestown, for sponsoring this video” is what I was expecting.

[@animatrix1490]

I cannot tell you how many times I have come back to this video; every part of the skit is perfect

[@enigmaticphantom8389]

The European guy sounds like Hans Gruber from Die Hard.

[@nutshot_brawler8466]

"There will be no dice required for this phase" contains the same energy as "I think that enemy got the point"

[@W0lfbaneShikaisc00l]

No way too much energy... I think the same energy would be something like: Oh look she's asleep... WAKE UP! Or explaining how many cheese tokens the dairy farm needs... that fits perfectly.

[@PatrickJoannisse]

Ameritrash: To determine who goes first everyone rolls a die and and highest number starts. If there's a tie, roll again. After the first person went, the person on their left is next. So on and so forth. Eurogame: "The person who last visited CERN goes first. In case of a tie, the youngest person goes first. In case of a tie, the last person who purchased a microscope goes first. In case of a tie, do not roll any die under any circumstance. Just figure it out."

[@andreasbuehler1821]

Don't forget oerson born furthest west and person with most alphabetically consecutive consonants in their name.

[@reuniteireland]

In the case of a further tie consider it a shared victory and move on to the next game.

[@ZachAttack6089]

@@reuniteireland LMAO I hate the "shared victory." It's always, "Whoever has the most Victory Points wins. In case of a tie, uh, compare money or something. If it's still a tie, I guess nobody wins. Oh well."

[@davidwuhrer6704]

Youngest person at the tables goes first.

[@irokosalei5133]

@@ZachAttack6089 If there is nothing left to compare, it makes no sense to randomly pick a winner. But this is where ameritrash games are essentially another thing.

[@TheSpoartsNetwork]

I want to play both those games more than Lost in Random

[@jamesbrice3267]

You're missing out, imagine Tim Burton making a video game.

[@truenorth2615]

I love that the Euro that you chose......Grand Austria Hotel....actually uses dice extensively throughout the game!! Hilarious stuff

[@EvilDoresh]

The classic Settlers of Catan also used dice - but not just _any_ dice. It's 2d6 aka a glorious bell curve

[@saladmcjones7798]

That exasperated "WHAT?" after being told the die is only used as a place maker is absolutely hilarious.

[@aciad1703]

I am reminded of a board game about the Russian Civil war, which in the set up phase alone asked the players to place every notable general, leader, and figure in their historically accurate position.

[@bf15thairborn]

Any link or name to that game? I love that era of history!

[@aciad1703]

@@bf15thairborn it was originally released in a magazine, and is almost certainly out of any form of print but I will check If I remember

[@Daniea3]

Please post when you get the name. Thanks.

[@ericromano8078]

So 6 feet under?

[@ComradeHellas]

amazing

[@douggiebee]

Fantastic execution! I did find myself wanting to know what actual games those boards were from, as I seem to not have any of them.

[@jakemiller1386]

The map and pumpkin he used in the Eurogame is from a game called Wendake.

[@danielsopel7832]

Eurogame boards are from Grand Austria Hotel. You serve cakes to guests.

[@Infyra]

Tiles for auction are from suberbia, minis look like a version of zombicide and the ameritrash board looks like a stealth game like specter ops.

[@jeffwei]

The clock is a reference to Wingspan

[@skiesbleed]

The Ameritrash board looks like Specter Ops to me.

[@ronnieballs8145]

This is the best made video on the differences between types of board games I've ever seen. It was laugh out loud funny and you've got a great talent for comedy! Many thanks!

[@nicholasmagliano5145]

Never been a big fan of Jamestown tbh, really losing the competitive market by not implementing a total dice score. Really gotta keep up with the times by adding 20 more dice.

[@hihey229]

found the American

[@AnnaMorimoto]

🤣

[@Anino_Makata]

His voice acting amazes me (as it always does), but what really sold it for me was how SungWon managed to say "Jamestown: The Racist Parts That Nobody Asked For" with such a deadpan face.

[@DerDuke]

SoogeWin?

[@funnyvideoguy3216]

@@DerDuke WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU!?

[@megamalboro9692]

1:29 my great grandmother owned that same clock and my heart skipped a beat upon seeing it again.

[@larrytheloner7964]

I find that most of my american boardgames actually take longer than euro games.

[@EvilDoresh]

It's cause they're more random. Sometimes they're shorter, but you'll usually remember those times they went on forever

[@incompetenmedic_4603]

The “Ameritrash” seems oddly reminiscent of the various Games Workshop games, which are ironically British

[@homuraakemi103]

And old enough that they probably inspired the aforementioned Ameritrash games…

[@SeekerLancer]

Ameritrash vs. Eurogames isn't really a geographical thing anymore (if it ever really was in the first place outside of the German origins of Eurogames), it's more of a vague genre label that doesn't fit a lot of modern games but it's still useful to help learn what kind of games somebody's into. Games Workshop stuff is by mechanical definition Ameritrash even though it's not American.

[@SeekerLancer]

@@homuraakemi103 It definitely inspired a lot of Ameritrash games though we already had a dice fetish from D&D, Battletech, various other wargames.

[@piranhaplantX]

@@SeekerLancer To be fair, we sort of put miniatures games in their own category entirely under the wargames umbrella. Kind of like how a lot of us don't really treat D&D like a board game in the traditional sense.

[@ArkThePieKing]

@@SeekerLancer Sounds a bit like JRPGs and WRPGs in video games. It's been a very long time since JRPGs were only Japanese and vice versa.

[@ronaldr.4018]

I like how the Jamestown guide is a deluxe Berserk volume

[@hatimzeineddine8723]

Where else would you find uncomfortable racism, rape, and murder?

[@GZilla311]

@@hatimzeineddine8723 A different Berserk volume.

[@michaelgallagher9534]

Man, I literally just bought one of those today.

[@KoyasuNoBara]

I like how you recognized it with such a miniscule amount of the cover showing for like one second.

[@Makofueled]

You can only get off the boat of allied with the British or Hessians.

[@toy_bonnie]

I love how victory points is the same clip over and over

[@VoiceofFox]

I’m going to say “victory points”like that every time I teach my wife a Euro game from now on.