= Check out the updated version here, it's got new shells, better visuals and fixed errors: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iHe4mmmDfb2Eq7s = Thank you for all the positive comments! A couple of things to note: -HEAT does not actually melt the copper. It just forces it through the armor. -The reason APDS is better at angles is because it has much more velocity than APCR. This way, it can go through angled armor easier. -Fins do not make a shell more aerodynamic or give it more velocity, it makes a shell more stable over long distances by stopping it from rotating. Because it's not spinning, the shell has a much lower chance of going somewhere else, therefore the shell is stabilized. Thus, shells with fins are better over distances than regular shells. (This is also why the shells with fins are called "fin-stabilized.") -Due to a recent nerf, HESH no longer performs better when it faces angled armor. -The shrapnel shell has many different names, but the reason I called it that is because in-game it is called shrapnel. The correct term would be fragmentation. -🅱️esh Thank you to all who corrected me :)
@rastas37424 жыл бұрын
Another correction to add, if AP projectiles don't have an explosive filler then they are AP shot, not AP shell. Inert AP projectiles are shot, APHE is shell.
@mattblankenbaker64564 жыл бұрын
Small rounds next?
@bassbusterx4 жыл бұрын
why the hell did they nerf HESH.
@hazardous4584 жыл бұрын
skDoger Actually, the copper is molten. It just doesn’t melt the armor.
@bassbusterx4 жыл бұрын
@@hazardous458 nope, the temperature on the shell is not nearly enough to make the copper melt.
@Jason-vz4sr3 жыл бұрын
In short, the more letters a shell has in its name, the better it is.
@theblueoist43743 жыл бұрын
And whenever you see on a tank heat rounds. You better strap yourself with all the heat shells you can get.
@thelegacyshow42483 жыл бұрын
HEAT is only 4
@theblueoist43743 жыл бұрын
High explosive anti tank shells you mean? The ones that comepletely destroy tanks at a good angle?
@sidsucksatplaying3 жыл бұрын
I love my aphebcapdsfsheshheheatfs shelk
@eldritchgod43083 жыл бұрын
@@sidsucksatplaying Gotta love me shelks
@Secret-gn5pf4 жыл бұрын
High budget animations
@hustejborec90004 жыл бұрын
The minecraft fence was bloody brilliant
@tfrog61553 жыл бұрын
Was it really
@Girls_und_Panzer_Brasil3 жыл бұрын
it was simple, but explained very well!
@SomeGamer11113 жыл бұрын
Made me coom, and I learned something
@jinx86243 жыл бұрын
Simple and easy to understand
@kirflickers18064 жыл бұрын
EU server: "someone've put smoke there. I cannot hit him and I will not waste my rounds." Russian server: "someone've put smoke there! he's there! everyone, shoot him!"
@ReySchultz1214 жыл бұрын
Is it safe to assume you fought in 2 fronts?, also damn son the russians actually do that.
@Cuteseals23 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile on the north america server: plane see smoke. Plane bomb smoke. Target Destroyed.
@IHaevATajpo3 жыл бұрын
As a EU player I can confirm it is like that
@twentylush3 жыл бұрын
EU: Smoke hides your position RU: Smoke is a massive target for everyone to shoot at NA: Everyone is flying CAS anyways, it doesn't matter
@gipsydangeramericasmonster96323 жыл бұрын
@@twentylush and tends to revenge bomb
@Snaily3 жыл бұрын
Pretty new player here: didn't realise I had to have a PhD in this game.
@broderzzcompany2 жыл бұрын
Just use stock apcbc or aphe round you get with every tank and you will be good most of the time.
@bencenagy54592 жыл бұрын
I have pretty good memory, so i'm a quick shell learner
@jambunboii45372 жыл бұрын
Just guess which does which and hope that it works
@ee214verilogtutorial22 жыл бұрын
@kuseu32 heatfs on pt kicks tanks on higher tier
@pp-wo1sd2 жыл бұрын
@kuseu32 I recommend that you ignore fpe and go for heatfs right away . Also remember to bring a couple of aphe shells as right at the start you will be horrible at using heatfs
@MrBonzi-ez6ho4 жыл бұрын
Jeff gets brutally murdered by dog for about 12 minutes straight: the movie: the game
@roadhigher4 жыл бұрын
Just a quick correction because almost everyone gets this wrong, but in HEAT shells the Copper lining isn't melted Instead the pressure from the explosive charge changes the Copper lining into a Superplastic, which is when the pressure causes the otherwise Solid Copper to act more like a stream of fluid, even though it is way below it's melting point and still a Solid. This is important because actual molten metal would just splatter over the armour and not achieve much, but a Superplastic will bore through the armour, since it retains it's Solid form Density. This is a very minor difference but it seems like 99% of people don't know this and just assume the Copper is melted, even though no HEAT warhead achieves temperatures or pressure anywhere near enough to melt copper.
@jakagaber4 жыл бұрын
Many people also assume that heat rounds melt over the armour
@benfennell68424 жыл бұрын
Thank you for telling me that I've literally never heard that and it's very epic.
@LazyLifeIFreak4 жыл бұрын
Plastic deformation
@PorWik4 жыл бұрын
LazyLife IFreak I’d be surprised if it was elastic
@LazyLifeIFreak4 жыл бұрын
@@PorWik Ever seen a video of friction stir welding? Its the same mechanism. Pressure and heat forces the metal to behave as if plastic but no actual melting occurs.
@Nigel61464 жыл бұрын
Imagine: APCBCHEATFSDSHVCRSH shell (Armour Piercing Capped Ballistic Capped High Explosive Anti Tank Fin Stabilised Discarding Sabot High Velocity Composite Rigid Squash Head)
@nightly32934 жыл бұрын
Wrong order APHEATCRFSDSSHHV (Armor Piercing High Explosive Anti Tank Composite Rigid Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot Squash Head High Velocity)
@Fatuzci4 жыл бұрын
Gaijin plz nerf APCBCHEATFSDSHVCRSH shell.
@mikinius4 жыл бұрын
Why the fuck my car just turned invisible
@belgianfried4 жыл бұрын
drinks bleach*
@WHOARETHEPATRIOTS4754 жыл бұрын
*152 mm*
@szelgorcs3 жыл бұрын
War Thunder: don't use APCR. *do not* World of Tanks: *angrily spams APCR at everything*
@jlyngdoh56082 жыл бұрын
Bounces alot in wotb.. IDK about wot.. But in blitz.. Slight angles and it'll bounce..
@dawsonreum80962 жыл бұрын
@@jlyngdoh5608 Also absolutely useless if the enemy is only mildly far away. I know they lose speed faster, but in WOTB it is just ridiculous how fast they lose their penetration. Also in Blitz like many premium shells they lose damage, which makes sense considering for most round types if you want more penetration then you need to loose damage to achieve more penetration, but I heard PC doesn't do that.
@azravalencia45772 жыл бұрын
@@dawsonreum8096 it is, PC doesnt do that. That's why many T10 behicle with Good DPM is damn overpowered. And also note, APCR only effective against flat armor, it doesnt have much ballistic penentration.
@betelgeuse45682 жыл бұрын
Fucking gold spammers everywhere
@megapet7772 жыл бұрын
haha this
@Neverskipwingday3 жыл бұрын
Honestly this is the best explanation I've ever heard for something war thunder related. No bs. No spam. Just quality content. Super helpful. I'm new to playing war thunder and was struggling to figure out what the icons meant. Thanks.
@skDoger3 жыл бұрын
Comments like these really motivate me! Thank you very much :)
@Neverskipwingday3 жыл бұрын
@@skDoger thanks for responding. You seem to pay a lot of attention to your viewers.
@PmagazineChan4 жыл бұрын
*random heavy tank* : you cant pen me! Me, With a *hesh* shell: "Well yes but actually no"
@jamesleon4574 жыл бұрын
*Guy behind cover:* "You can't kill me! Nobody can! War Thunder's walls can be penetrated by nothing! These walls are stronger than any armor in the game! Even your pitiful artillery will at best scratch my paint. I am a god here, you are but an interloping insect within my realm!" *Me, with a HESH shell loaded and a tiny bit of their roof armor in view:* "Well, yeah, but actually no."
@thurbine24114 жыл бұрын
James Leon well the strongest things are the trees. Even the leaves and tree tops of small trees cut of your wings when not even going so fast in all but the duck.
@jamesleon4574 жыл бұрын
@@discountskeletor3326 It's been kinda shit for a while and literally does worse against angled armor since the pen mechanics change, but it still is worth loading a shell or two because roof detonations will reenact dresden upon everyone in the turret, and you'd be surprised how common I have to do it.
@baddiematty52894 жыл бұрын
@@jamesleon457 I think it's not very good because it doesn't actually act like it does in real life in game. Instead of actually squashing and fracturing interior armor, it's just HE with more pen. Though, seeing as how tanks from the 60s-80s had "HESH nets" to catch spalling, making the shells less effective against vehicles from that era, you can see why they balanced it like that.
@karelpgbr3 жыл бұрын
You mean 🅱️esh
@banzeyegaming22344 жыл бұрын
Aah, yes, the guide to, “Which Shell Gives the Most Painful Death for Crewmembers”. My favourite video.
@taxidermypolarbear17244 жыл бұрын
BanzEye GAMING whaaaaat they don’t diiieee they get knocked out
@banzeyegaming22344 жыл бұрын
Yes, they get knocked out...or rather, they’re HEAD gets knocked off/disintegrated!
@Juzevs3 ай бұрын
The L3 crew hit directly by a 38cm HE shell from a sturmtiger went through a "significant emotional event"
@germanlad16093 жыл бұрын
Gaijin: APFSDS or APSH Me: *tier 1 tanker screaming*
@warthundercanblunder8503 жыл бұрын
Apsh?
@russianyoutube Жыл бұрын
@@warthundercanblunder850 armor piercing squash head ig lmfao
@chillmint1726 Жыл бұрын
@@russianyoutube AP and SH totally cancel out each other lmfao
@Steve-rq7mj4 жыл бұрын
You forgot that you can use Smoke as HE on exposed crew.
@leonhenning83704 жыл бұрын
Okay next time ill play toptier with smokes
@Steve-rq7mj4 жыл бұрын
@@leonhenning8370 If you find anything with exposed crew.
@Steve-rq7mj4 жыл бұрын
Because it only does damage to exposed crew members like the low tier flaks
@Psycho_Yoshi4 жыл бұрын
The small amount of explosive in the smoke shell is just enough to kill some crew. It's like a bundle of m80 firecrackers exploding someone's fingers off but its fired from a cannon and it comes with a bunch of white phosphorus smoke.
@ambylotl4 жыл бұрын
Trolling SPAAGs by surrounding them in smoke AND killing their crew- BRILLIANT!!!
@comradeivan93264 жыл бұрын
a short summary: APHE/APCBC: pretty good, use it whenever possible Solid AP: bootleg round, use only if you have no better alternative APCR: Why would you ever use this? APDS: Its pretty good APDSFS: its pretty amazing HE: no one knows how it works other than the dude who keeps making 20 minute HE only videos, + useless if caliber is
@2Musketieners2MLm4 жыл бұрын
Lmao. British are pretty fun though at lower tiers. But hesh is not really useful there
@hustejborec90004 жыл бұрын
Can someone please explain what is so wrong with british forces? I'm a new-ish player and from the videos I was watching it seems like everyone thinks they are really bad which would be shame because they are my main rn.
@2Musketieners2MLm4 жыл бұрын
@@hustejborec9000 they are not bad. They are just not amazing like the americans, germans and russian can be (especially at top tier). I as a matter of fact love to play with the cromwells. And the centurions are not bad at all to verse as a german main.
@FTQuake4 жыл бұрын
Apcr is useful for when your aphe round can’t pen
@comradeivan93264 жыл бұрын
@@FTQuake which is almost never cuz u die if u dont pen
@farhatamnan37364 жыл бұрын
Yes, someone who can explain to me with simple words. Thank you kind sir
@rafaelgoncalvesdias74594 жыл бұрын
Much better than the one from warthunder
@average_peanut_fan30594 жыл бұрын
I A G R E E
@PHX763 жыл бұрын
Affirmative!
@average_peanut_fan30593 жыл бұрын
@@PHX76 A T T A C K T H E D P O I N T !
@average_peanut_fan30593 жыл бұрын
@@PHX76 Y E S
@average_peanut_fan30593 жыл бұрын
@@PHX76 I R E F U S E
@Shore19854 жыл бұрын
Qickguide: Dont use APCR. Like ever. Just dont. Never.
@phamminhthang50594 жыл бұрын
german quicky boi with 28/20mm gun: guess i'll die
@randomuser54434 жыл бұрын
I like them. Takes a bit of brain but works for me
@AHappyCub4 жыл бұрын
I dont know about you, but i find that i'm more likely to kill a Tiger 2 from the turret front with APCR than HEAT I've at least one shot a Tiger 2 5 times from the front, 2 of which is straight up bullshit shot that somehow kill them despite poorly aimed
@trentenswett63064 жыл бұрын
@@AHappyCub Tiger player here both Tiger I and II, I have found at this point if any thing pens your turret or hull in a Tiger I or II you are basically dead. Very rarely have I not been one shot from a pen from the turret or hull.
@kelvinvito1054 жыл бұрын
Cries in stock American
@ventrasel4 жыл бұрын
5:14 Small correction. Larger projectile length means greater penetration since the projectile is destroying itself by penetrating armor. Therefore, all modern AP shells themselves are extremely long and made of the hardest alloys such as tungsten or depleted uranium. Also, the amount of post-penetration shrapnel is directly related to the thickness of the armor the shell has to overcome - the thicker a breached armor, the more shrapnel it would create. The rest is great video, very easy to grasp. Keep it up ;)
@NarutoMagicCyclops4 жыл бұрын
"hardest alloys such as tungsten or depleted uranium." It's not really about "hardest" per se, a factor but not the greatest determining factor for penetration, it's the mass of either and depleted uranium breaks apart in a manner that helps it penetrate, the term for it is often call self sharpening but I've read enough to where it's pretty negligible or the terminology isn't accurate. Tungsten is the densest material but really expensive in comparison to depleted uranium.
@mememetal66312 жыл бұрын
Idk if in game the more armour overcame = more shrapnel was inplumented so far
@windhelmguard5295 Жыл бұрын
@@NarutoMagicCyclops depleted uranium shells also fill the insides with radioactive dust, which can give any surviving crew, as well as anyone trying to interact with the wreckage without a respirator, very serious cases of lung cancer.
@NarutoMagicCyclops Жыл бұрын
@@windhelmguard5295 As far as a quick search goes the health risks are controversial with no real evidence to support health risks. You can get lung cancer just from smoking cigarretes, which is common among military personnel as a stress relief.
@NarutoMagicCyclops Жыл бұрын
@@mememetal6631 Spalling is an effect of hardened metal "splintering" in a sense, creating shrapnel, the thicker the armor the more likely a non-penetration may cause spalling depending on how fragile the armor is(typically harder metal is more fragile and thus spalls more often). A properly penetrating round more ideally should shatter to cause fragmentation inside the vehicle rather than causing spalling which in itself wont cause munitions to det, fragmentation would lead to round det.
@temrinal99564 жыл бұрын
your videos help me so much man, you dont get it. ive been playing for 2 months and still barely know much, but your videos legit help. i hope you keep doing these vids and i hope you get like a million subs
@skDoger4 жыл бұрын
Glad I could help!
@tinchorb13404 жыл бұрын
I know how survive to all of shells "No armor is the best armor" Flack 88 aproves
@randomuser54434 жыл бұрын
Yag 10 seconds it
@thurbine24114 жыл бұрын
Martin Reynoso Baltore VFW
@kubasalomon4 жыл бұрын
*laughs in large caliber HE shells*
@thurbine24114 жыл бұрын
Kuba Salomon yes but still the flak us is easier to kill than the very friendly wagon in many cases
@kubasalomon4 жыл бұрын
@@thurbine2411 Yes, but 105mm HE shell kills every lightly armored thing
@doomdave4754 жыл бұрын
One correction: HEAT shells don't produce molten copper, they just propell it at ridicoluos speeds. Yes, at these pressures during impact the inverse jet of copper ACTS LIKE a fluid, but the same happens when an APFSDS shell hits armour.
@skDoger4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the correction!
@scarecrow18484 жыл бұрын
HOLY SH*T IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER, you an AMAZING KZbinR
@skDoger4 жыл бұрын
@iseeu7214 жыл бұрын
Forgot the starstreak missile we have on the top British spaa. Splits into 3 apfsds projectiles on proximity.
@michaeledmunds7056 Жыл бұрын
Good for stopping air dropped tanks 👍
@windhelmguard5295 Жыл бұрын
he also forgot the anti concrete shells you get on the KV-2
@Techno_Idioto Жыл бұрын
@@windhelmguard5295 Basically the older brother to HESH
@ijnyamato6434 жыл бұрын
As the Master Tanker said, when I first started I just looked at which shell penetrated the most armor on the picture lmao. I also used to pick the researchable shells because I thought, "Hey, if they made me research it, it has to be better than the default round." I used to die many times using APCR on light tanks.
@NarutoMagicCyclops4 жыл бұрын
In all fairness if you could hit the engine block it's gonna be disabled, in which case you might've figured APHE would pry the next choice of shot.
@swampdonkey15672 жыл бұрын
I knew it had less shrapnel.....I picked cause HIGHEST PEN.....not realizing how advanced war thunder was.(I actually just learned to sucked and it explains alot)
@trevorphillips84152 жыл бұрын
Use it on LVT(A)(1)s at their front cause those fuckers are hard to kill with APHE unless you aim for the ammunition.
@windhelmguard5295 Жыл бұрын
anti concrete shell still seems to be the most effective round i have used thus far. idk what it is but it seems to just kill everything if you hit your first shot. sadly the KV-2 takes so god damn long to reload that you're probably not getting a second one.
@biko98244 жыл бұрын
4:24 the APDS shell has this fancy tip, which is flatter than the pointy-tipped APCR rounds and probably has some kind of normalisation function.
@skDoger4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the explanation!
@biko98244 жыл бұрын
skDoger thanks :)
@GamingGrinding7 ай бұрын
@@skDoger Can you explain the 🅱ESH shell please?
@DJCiec4 жыл бұрын
Very useful vid. Dude. I play the game for years, and I was still wondering about few ammo types. o7
@skDoger4 жыл бұрын
Glad I could help!
@SweetLittleAki3 жыл бұрын
Me, a world of tanks player: "3. Take it or leave it."
@Lens154 жыл бұрын
Exam is not going to be that hard The Exam:
@karelpgbr3 жыл бұрын
Bruhh
@iidoughnutholes30873 жыл бұрын
@Anessen woosh
@gipsydangeramericasmonster96323 жыл бұрын
@Anessen now build a time machine
@eiteiei40633 жыл бұрын
Is it socially acceptable to have complete confidence in aceing a test like that? Asking for a friend. N-No? Okay...
@Piglady003 жыл бұрын
This shit easier than my math exam
@cursedcliff75624 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for remaking this video,the HEAT explanation in the last version was horrible
@skDoger4 жыл бұрын
Yep, last time I did 0 research and made stuff up. I was just trying to release part 2 as quickly as possible so that people would stop complaining about it 😂
@manofcultura3 жыл бұрын
One thing you need to add to the APFSDS round is they are usually fired from smoothbore guns. The fact it’s not rifled makes that round travel faster. Because the round itself isn’t spun through rifling the fins are angled slightly to create spin thus stabilizing the round in flight and making sure it flies straight.
@everlyn.martins4 жыл бұрын
Best video I've ever seen on this subject! Very nice!!!
@skDoger4 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@hazardtrooper27914 жыл бұрын
8:38 unfortunately gaijin did oopsie whoopsie and made hesh pen less on angles
@hazardtrooper27914 жыл бұрын
also I used to be in the discord server but it seems to have disappeared and I can't join back. did the KGB make me disappear? (same with my friend)
@CS-nq9sq4 жыл бұрын
I'm kinda confused with hesh in game, let's say the hesh had 150mm of penetration and hit a tank with 250mm of armour. Would the explosion caused by the hesh send shrapnel into the tank by breaking it's Armour or in war thunder does it have to full penetrate the 250mm plate??
@hazardtrooper27914 жыл бұрын
@@CS-nq9sq the explosive wouldn't be enough to vibrate the thick metal plate enough to cause it to rupture. I think, don't quote me on that
@CS-nq9sq4 жыл бұрын
@@hazardtrooper2791 ahh, thanks for the help.
@Bialy_14 жыл бұрын
@@CS-nq9sq HESH is not about penetration, it is producing shockwave in the steel plate and when this shockwave is at the other side of the plate it is starting to rip off small parts of it and they are flying with great speed into crew, ammo and electronics. That is one of the reasons why modern tanks have multiple layers of armor(HESH works nice only on old fashion armor that is made with single continuous layer of metal). HEAT is all about penetration and contrary what is in the game you have jet that is doing damage just like it is implemented in game and something like 30% of force of the explosion outside of the tank is transfered into that small hole and presure wave is killing the crew and igniting the ammo... Generaly in case of HESH thicker armor = less damage inside but in game it is more like 0-1 situation, you were able to "penetrate" or not.
@radenprasetyo82344 жыл бұрын
7:44 yes fuccin finally!!! Shrapnel shell
@jakobc.25584 жыл бұрын
The most powerfull round in all of war thunder. Legends say that no player dares to use it because the destruction would crash the servers. It kills tanks so hard that they explode in the hangar.
@naosei2.0864 жыл бұрын
@@jakobc.2558 *T-28E approves*
@meatshield72064 жыл бұрын
Não Sei 2.0 T-26-4 approves
@blob6434 жыл бұрын
@@meatshield7206 T34 approves
@sheeplord49764 жыл бұрын
@@jakobc.2558 I actually found use for it with my kv-1E. It had a really light fuse and exploded after penetrating, so I could use it to slaughter stuff with gun shields like the flak 88.
@Regimentz.2 жыл бұрын
For this much quality war Thunder content.. You should have way way way more subscribers. You put hard work into these videos and we appreciate and respect it. Keep it up!
@skDoger2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@xiangrongchua94342 жыл бұрын
thanks alot, im a new joiner and i really glad i found ur channel. You earn my respect
@style67344 жыл бұрын
Hey, you forgot the APHEFSDSHEATHECBC shell!
@jakobc.25584 жыл бұрын
Wouldnt that be APHEATCBCFSDS-VT?
@style67344 жыл бұрын
@@jakobc.2558 More the merrier!
@hazardous4584 жыл бұрын
STYLE I prefer besh
@viet_cong_momiji23244 жыл бұрын
🅱️ E S H is better
@gkgameplaycz4 жыл бұрын
that is a nuke
@thatsnomoon42214 жыл бұрын
APDS is technically a small APCBC round fired really fast, APFSDS has the same effect, the pentrator is encased with softer metal, that due to huge velocity has a high normalisation effect, basically APDS inside APFSDS
@acywei4 жыл бұрын
What? HAAAAAAaaaaa? The penetrator isn't encased in anything, it has a sabot which is used to make the very thin tungsten (super hard) penetrator fit into a large caliber gun. The sabot is discarded pretty much as soon as it the penetrator leaves the barrel thus the Armor Penetrating(or) Discarding Sabot. And APCBC (not APBCB dafuq is that?) is exactly as described in the video. It is a full caliber shell (fits perfectly in the barrel) that just happens a couple of fancy caps/tips attached to the front of the penetrator. Those 2 shells couldn't operate on more different ballistic principles as far as standard kinetic ammunition goes.
@aleky984 жыл бұрын
@@acywei find a picture of a fin sabot cut along the midline and you'll see that the penetrator rod is indeed encased in a bit of softer material l, together they make the dart, which is then located in the sabot
@thatsnomoon42214 жыл бұрын
@@acywei not quite, find any video or picture of a dart and you'll see that the actual penetrator of the APFSDS is encased by the longer dart
@MrCiko53 жыл бұрын
me who didnt play war thunder: i like your funny words magic man
@Caennuck2 жыл бұрын
Man the amount of searching I was doing to try and find an answer to the difference between the UK Mk. 4 and Mk. 8 shell. You explained it perfectly in 2 minutes. Thanks very much!
@bummers3 жыл бұрын
Basically, the more letters there are in the shell, the more powerful. Got it.
@nicolaspeigne14294 жыл бұрын
Since we have more night battles now, it would be nice to have illuminations rounds implemented somehow.
@thurbine24114 жыл бұрын
Nicolas Peigné well there are almost no night battles below 9.0
@georgebonanza94873 жыл бұрын
They should also make the normal headlights and night vision spotlights work.
@Sky_EggYT Жыл бұрын
Not anymore, now they are not able to be seen : )
@samuelbrown38542 жыл бұрын
Just a point, the cap on AP doesn't actually cause the shell to normalise in the hammer you describe. The soft cap actually absorbs some of the impact, decreasing the deceleration forces experienced by high velocity shells, thus reducing their tendency to shatter on impact to harsh angles. It's a bit counterintuitive but slowing down the shell actually improves it's armour penetration against armour.
@birkmadsen71413 жыл бұрын
war thunder saw dis video and decided to make it inot the game, nicely done man :)
@awful_cat44994 жыл бұрын
9:10 can we get an f in the chat for the crew member
@skDoger4 жыл бұрын
F for Jeff :(
@raykhalil28834 жыл бұрын
thx man the are rlly useful these tips are going to change my gaming tactiques
@TheDutchisGaming2 жыл бұрын
Love how this video about a game explains better how different shells work then a video about the same subject but about real life usage.
@SirDucc4 жыл бұрын
Dont forget the HEFS rounds found in some russian tanks, such as t80s and t64s
@threnn95094 жыл бұрын
HESH and HEAT are totally wrong in the game. When a HEAT grenade penetrates a target everything inside should be dead because of the hot gas and the rapid change of the pressure inside the tank.
@doomdave4754 жыл бұрын
Yes, an explosion on the outside with a hole leading to the inside isn't healthy for you xD
@fesa_performance96174 жыл бұрын
Even at APFSDS everybody would die. Watch a video of a 120mm APFSDS-T DM33 vs a leopard 1. The pressure was so high, that the closed commander hatch blast open
@thurbine24114 жыл бұрын
Threnn the heat also just works as a laser but spaced armor worsens its penetration when it should disperse the heat stream as well
@DerDop4 жыл бұрын
i used hesh yesterday in sim ( insanely hard to hit the target) after penetrating the turret of a t 54 from the sides, it barely scratched 2 crewmembers.
@thurbine24113 жыл бұрын
Anessen i know. If you read what I wrote I said that heat in game is acting like it is a laser not irl
@zekkoid4 жыл бұрын
What about kv-2 and anti-concrete shells? 🤔
@stroganoffbob76274 жыл бұрын
Its basically APHE but with extra boom to destroy bunkers thats what the kv-2 was made for anyway
@panther75844 жыл бұрын
Isn't HESH basically made for concrete bunkers? I learnt the British used that, plus few American tankers tested it too during WWII
@BoomCat994 жыл бұрын
@@panther7584 The KV2 was from 1939 so those probably didn't exist yet.
@edi98924 жыл бұрын
@@panther7584 AFAIK, HESH was developed at the end of WWII just like HEAT it struggled with reliable fuses. The fuse has to be sensitive enough to detonate before the shell shatters on impact, but shouldn´t get triggered due to the tremendous forces involved from shooting it out of the barrel, nor should it get destroyed in the same process... That´s why you need very sturdy electronics, just like with VT. The advantage of HESH over HE is AFAIK that you can simply pack a little more explosive and that it minimizes the distance to the target, whereas HE can explode a bit further away or bounce off. The thicker shell produces shrapnell but reduces the explosive impact.
@cenouraroxa91844 жыл бұрын
It's just a APHE with other name
@plebao513 жыл бұрын
this is so god damn helpful, thanks mate. cheers
@buh22184 жыл бұрын
SHELL IS SHELL
@tristanstephens22904 жыл бұрын
9:31so basically it's a syringe
@JO-ch3el3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! They really should have made the icons for the different ammo types more distinct from each other like you did in your video and not just display a shell with different colour bands penetrating armor in the same way.
@mitkoshredder4 жыл бұрын
This was amazing, thank you.
@skDoger4 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@billyjoel93133 жыл бұрын
10/10 editing and vfx
@Paul914154 жыл бұрын
I don't know where you people get this from, but HEAT does NOT creat a molten copper penetrator! The detonation isn't even hot enough to melt copper. The detonation just forms the copper cone to a dart which get's accelerated to like 8000 meters per second, where APFSDS Sabot travel at like 1800 or so. A physics law states, when a highly accelerated solid body hits another solid body, the one who gets hit behaves like a liquid. And I think this is where the misunderstanding comes from...
@skDoger4 жыл бұрын
My bad, thank you for the correction.
@paulvizcayno1295 Жыл бұрын
The effort in this video💯 And comprehensible💯 Now I understand shell mechanics Thanks bro this'll help so much💯💯💯
@darmanskirata41674 жыл бұрын
9:20 HEATFS also has more penetration, because the projectile does not have to rotate for stabilization . The stream of molten metal doesn't lose energy by spinning anymore
@shronkler19944 жыл бұрын
Building knowledge on this game for when I move from WOT to WT
@OtterTreySSArmy3 жыл бұрын
Hope to see you soon! We're about to get the F-14!
@lukmaroli27303 жыл бұрын
If u have problem to pen tiger I or II without APCR just get IS-2 or some other soviet tank in mid-tier, heavy tanks have only aphe with penetration above 200mm, more than 100g of explosive mass, great armor, mobility. Oh and IS-2 is at 5.7 and jumbo is at 5.3 so if u have problem with it get IS-2 :)
@skDoger3 жыл бұрын
Good advice!
@matiaslangon67994 жыл бұрын
I'm just starting war thunder and your videos are really helpful, could you do a video on ship crew skills?
@skDoger4 жыл бұрын
Glad I could be of use! I'm planning on making a crew skills guide on all vehicle types, and that includes shipa too. I can't give en exact date, but it will come out one day!
@matiaslangon67994 жыл бұрын
@@skDoger Glad to hear that! Your videos are the best ones I've seen on the subject, as you take the time to really explain skills and ammo one by one. Thank you for the help!
@Ckcdillpickle4 жыл бұрын
Great video, I noticed for the STUG G in-game, APHECBC is just called APCBC
@skullofserpent57274 жыл бұрын
Slower, slower! And clearer. Not everyone here is native english speaking. Video A+
@etlef47243 жыл бұрын
This Fuel guy sounds like a sympathetic fellow. I hope that he isn't a massive simp or from California
@Mr.MaChInIsTdUdE4 жыл бұрын
good vid and still find it very helpful
@sweetdreams50243 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much. I am a new player and whenever I search on the internet for tips, pros throw around terms that are alien to me. This was extremely useful.
@skDoger3 жыл бұрын
Glad I could help :)
@maral2014 Жыл бұрын
8:15 the material in HESH tip is an inert material so that the HE filler in the shell itself does not detonate on impact. It is like a buffer of sorts. The base fuze detonates the filler once the HESH shell distributes its explosives across the plate.
@infidelmarine58263 жыл бұрын
"Not hesh but 🅱️esh"-burger
@patriot40484 жыл бұрын
Great video, not trying to be a dick but a little correction, you said fins help over long distance which is kinda wrong because the fins are there simply to stabilize the projectile since the projectile is so long it cannot be stabilized by using rifling, so like the fletchings on an arrow, the fins help to stabilize the long rod penetrator.
@skDoger4 жыл бұрын
I wanted to make it simple for beginners to understand, but you are very correct. What I was trying to say was that the fins make the shell's path more predictable, therefore you can use it over long distances without having to worry about it going somewhere other than where you aim.
@patriot40484 жыл бұрын
Oh ok, thanks for clearification o7
@doomdave4754 жыл бұрын
Thatho 50 not just the lenght, rifled barrels would have to be changed frequently because of wear, and so it is compatible with HEAT since a spin would make the jet thicker (because of centrifugal forces) thus a lot less penetrative (this why non-FS HEAT is rather bad)
@thurbine24114 жыл бұрын
DOOM DAVE except some post war heat wich is stabilized by spinning but I think the copper stream is spun the other way to neutralize it so as much Pen as an heat-fs shell. Like the one the amx 30 uses and also some Swedish tanks I think
@doomdave4754 жыл бұрын
Hilding Thurdin I'm trying not to be skeptical, but may I ask how exacly is the jet spun the other way?
@vale.44peru4 жыл бұрын
The main difference between APCR and APDS (and probably the cause of their different performance against sloped armor), is that an APDS round while being as light as an APCR round (main reason why they are both really good against flat armor), doesn’t keep its casing during flight, and this benefits two things: 1 it gives the shell a better drag coefficient (enabling it to keep good performances at high distances); 2 on impact there is only a rigid core hitting the amor, while with APCR the coating gets in the way of the core, having pretty much the opposite effect of the cap on a APC shell.
@user-hy8nf8xb3x Жыл бұрын
Еще не видел ни одного настолько подробного гайда по снарядам. Этот человек прекрасно объясняет ,как работают снаряды
@AlexVanChezlaw4 жыл бұрын
The HE round on high tier russian tanka have some kind of fins, sometimes you can see it on the scope after firing, for a split second it leaves the barrel
@alientitimilk90734 жыл бұрын
The long awaited finisher in the trilogy
@thickboi7570 Жыл бұрын
This was a extremely useful video for me when I started a few years ago, it let me have a good understanding behind each shell and what it actually does and what it’s good for which helped me a lot, thank you!
@rickmcclellan72802 жыл бұрын
As for your question on " APDS " unlike the APCR which is just vary hard metal the APDS round is multilayered . The sequence upon impact of the APDS projectile, for example the 120 mm L11, as used on the Chieftain tank, fired L15 APDS [6] (muzzle velocity 1370 m/s), goes as follows: the lightweight ballistic cap is crushed, the penetrating cap then strikes the armour, distributing the shock across the whole surface of the core's nose, reducing the initial shock experienced by the core. The steel sheath surrounding the core peels away, and the core goes on to penetrate the armour. The penetration of the L15 APDS is approximately 355 mm of rolled homogeneous armour at 1000 m.
@Judamubo3 жыл бұрын
Well, the new update will show us how the shells work
@qwertas22853 жыл бұрын
Спасибо переводчику, кста видос полезен для новичков "Тундры".
@slowingsphere51514 жыл бұрын
Thanks this is actually useful 👍
@benfennell68424 жыл бұрын
APCR sucks against angles because the highly aerodynamic sabot casing pitches the projectile away from the Amor on first contact, causing keyholing, or if the armor is any good, a bounce :)
This is by far the most informative video on war thunder ive seen
@quisquiliarum77103 жыл бұрын
basically the armor on the sides of the shell shows how much it can penetrate and the boom of the shell shows how much damage it does if it does
@droute49473 жыл бұрын
4:52 Лучше пробивает из-за того, что нету поддона. Поддон просто мешает сердечнику при контакте, скользя по броне. Поэтому, без поддона сердечник без скольжения на большей скорости пробивает броню, а не скользит
@Ehrathorn4 жыл бұрын
HESH used to do well against angled armor, but now I see it like every other round on the tooltips. Less pen with the higher angle. Did something change or is that some bug in the tooltip?
@BigBex4 жыл бұрын
It changed
@bobboo1012 жыл бұрын
They nerfed it :((
@derkellner1522 жыл бұрын
@@BigBex it didnt change wtf
@derkellner1522 жыл бұрын
@@bobboo101 it didnt change wtf
@BigBex2 жыл бұрын
@@derkellner152 did you just reply to a 2 years old comment?
@skwidthecrayfsh343 жыл бұрын
4:50 the sharper angle on the sub calibration with sabot increases chance of deflection because it effectively increases the angle of the armour
@independent_films2 жыл бұрын
I have whatched this video 4 times now. I learn something new every time.
@usolame31614 жыл бұрын
7:51 not once it gets in a tank IF it gets in a tank
@temlan4 жыл бұрын
It seems you forgot aphefsdsheathecbc and B E S H
@thurbine24114 жыл бұрын
Ola Kåberg you mean the aphefsdsheathecbcGM
@pharohsensei86793 жыл бұрын
Man thank you for this information now i can understand some kinds of ammunition in the game i was so lost when i started 1 week ago thank you
@vukvucinic36853 жыл бұрын
APHEFSDSHEATCPC rounds are my favourite, Armor-piercing high explosive fin stabilised discarding sabot high explosive anti-tank capped ballistic-capped
@Jan_3724 жыл бұрын
8:38 not anymore, they got a huge nerf now, roughly half of normal pen at 60° angle (if 90° is a flat line and 0° is a flat wall)
@eebuska63524 жыл бұрын
I think its kinda weird how The hesh round goes through The armor in The Picture
@zockertwins4 жыл бұрын
It's accurate though
@eebuska63524 жыл бұрын
@@zockertwins doesent hesh like explode on The outside of The armor and fragment The The armor inside?
@zockertwins4 жыл бұрын
@@eebuska6352 Yes, that's exactly what's shown at 8:20
@magrna35643 жыл бұрын
Honestly I know pretty much how all of these work but I still want to watch the video take that as you will.
@hellenicmind98544 жыл бұрын
Could u possibly do a video about plane crew skills? U have done a vid for tanks but not planes. This is just a suggestion, u dont have to do it if u dont want to
@bagelmaster24984 жыл бұрын
There is also armor piercing rockets from planes.
@Wike-or3ej4 жыл бұрын
Can you do the version with aircraft ammo types
@skDoger4 жыл бұрын
I am in the process of making that video, but it's not my highest priority at the moment. It will be out some day though!
@skeletorlord6214 жыл бұрын
@@skDoger u forgot the semi armor piercing shell for ships
@thurbine24114 жыл бұрын
skDoger excellent will be fun to watch
@thespartanamongus11213 жыл бұрын
This helped me out SO MUCH, thanks!
@Hygix_3 жыл бұрын
Thx, this is very straight forward class, I try to use this this information carefully