Ammunition 21st Century Longhunter Mentality

[@lucyloose89]

Tire weights work great to melt down.. free broke ones at tire stores

[@dannybryson3646]

Love it like going back in time

[@mneptune1]

Works like a charm!!!! Received my .710 mold and collapsable ladle this past week. I had some time today so I went out back to cast several balls. I used a plumbers torch on a small propane tank and in about 20 minutes I had ten perfect .71 caliber round balls. The filing of the sprue and adding dimples with a rasp file was the quickest part of the whole operation. They look fantastic and I will be shooting them out of my NEF at the range in a couple of weeks....... Thanks Dave

[@gman77gas]

Nice stuff...don't take it the wrong way, but buy the time you carry all the tools it would be lighter and take up less space to carry diff. size shot.

[@DavidCanterbury]

More versatility this weight and actually ALOT Less eight than shells

[@afrohman1]

You have the best gob ever Dave.

[@EatCarbs]

Great video Dave.. Thanks

[@robert4027]

will home made black powder work ?? store bought powder is crazy expensive. ??

[@jasonpetty3786]

Good video. Thanks Dave.

[@mikeinajeep]

My dad made shot and it was pretty easy. Cut a channel into a flat piece of wood with a exit channel small enough the make small drops. Let the drops fall into water about six inches deep. A bowl, jar or hole in the ground works fine. You get great shoot with a few tries. Once you get it working right, shoot for life.

[@tomhman6441]

That could be your curve ball.

[@JRRoylance]

I love the set up Dave thanks for sharing God bless

[@kinzuaBrian]

thx Dave...

[@darangemaster1]

my grampa use to make lead shot by hanging a coffee can with holes in the bottom out from the hay window of the barn and pouring hot led into it and allowing it to drip into a shallow watering tub to cool

[@2bonosc]

My New England Arms single shot 12 gauge uses 50 calibre Rifled slugs.... So why cast 71 calibre round ball? Is it different because it's "Muzzle loaded"? I know Dave's usually very busy so if any one can help with this question it would be appreciated thank you.

[@DavidCanterbury]

I have never seen a 73 cal gun shoot a 50 cal round, If you are shooting factory slugs they are most likely well over 50 cal. I cant answer that cause I have never heard of it, but a Mod Choke Smoothbore 12GA for ML needs 710 balls

[@MrLiberty888]

I'm happy you made this video as I have been needing this multiple questions answered. Thanks for the video!

[@jasonpetty3786]

Are you getting away from preloading with brass shot gun shells? I think there really convenient.

[@DavidCanterbury]

Still use them some but the adapter is much more versatile load as you go

[@ericsmith1508]

always enjoy your videos Dave! I have learned much from your posts over the past 2 years and always find something that I never thought of before or get good idea that I can modify for my own needs. you may already know this but it wasn't mentioned in the video. the pin you made to clean out the hole where the primer is, is known as a vent prick (at least in cannons and muskets that is). please keep the videos coming!!

[@DavidCanterbury]

Yes Vent or Touch hole pick lost the words on camera LOL

[@hartstudebakerkid]

Also known as a nipple pick.

[@Pzaman23]

Another great demo. Thanks.

[@DavidCanterbury]

Seems to play fine as of now

[@JohnRobertson22]

still won't for me

[@JohnRobertson22]

det414 thanks! working now!

[@jigstick]

left page came back and worked fine

[@DavidCanterbury]

TheKodiak72, this may have been the case but research also shows not only better ball flight but also less back pressure to firearm-It would probably cause more damage as well and that may have been the original intent for sure-

[@WilliamThomasAnderson]

Played for me, great content.

[@patrickcurtis960]

Awesome videos! Just sound methods for the everyman. Thank you!

[@monty5583]

Have you tried to drip molten lead into cold water that might be an easy way to make shot

[@goriverman]

Thanks Dave, very interesting video, never shot black powder but i think i'm going to try it now

[@TRPufnStuf]

LOL He said "chewed ball."

[@Echo4PapaBravo]

Hey Dave, shooting a bit low with a shotgun at 25m is normal. The bead sights on most shotguns are zeroed at 100m. The 2" pull right is either your trigger press, you might have too much finger through the trigger guard, or being that you are left handed, your strong hand may be unconsciously pushing the barrel minutely in anticipation of the shot. My sister has the same issue because she is left handed and right eye dominant, if she anticipates the shot she always hits at 3-4 o'clock. Semper Fi

[@andrewsheldonreeves]

If you put a scope on your H and R like mine the accuracy issue is solved and it's very very nice. I use a nikon slug hunter and with fiocci slugs out of my smooth bore I get 2 inch groups at 100 yards with my ported improved cylender steel choke.

[@DavidCanterbury]

If I wanted to go through all that I would just use my H&R 243-

[@garygerow4822]

Always something good to watch and learn from,Thanks and keep your powder dry.

[@brettshaffer1452]

I think the chewed ball being more accurate seems totally plausible. They did a golf ball car design episode of Myth Busters and showed that the "dimples" really did help the aerodynamics. Great video.

[@30hoss]

Thanks Dave for the response back if you've haven't had that problem them I probably shouldn't worry but just a thought I had.. I use the in line muzzle loaders so it's new to me but I will be running a 12 gas single shot this year but right now for my scouts on my property I have a H&R 410/45CAL survivor it holds its own on squirrel and rabbit

[@JC545X39]

"I'll take that everyday and twice on Sunday." Ha! Never heard that one before.

[@DavidCanterbury]

Not sure what the tech issue is video uploaded fine may be a YT Glitch

[@asheradensein]

Dave, If all you have is round ball, you can melt it and drip the hot lead into a bucket of water; makes some decent shot in a pinch. Not perfect, and the size varies, but it'll do if you've got nothing else.

[@Prairiedog575]

Why not heat the mold next to the fire while you wait for the lead to melt?

[@1crimm]

great video as always

[@JGrous]

I love you 21st century long hunter videos Dave. Especially the firearm videos. Great stuff! Take care brother! Stay warm out there.

[@iliveoutside]

Very interesting and fun to say the least, however for the weight of the mold, ladle and file, you could carry quite a few pre-molded round balls. I could see the advantage if you were on the frontier long term, but in modern days with hunting season, it would be pretty unlikely to be hunting big game and small game at the same time. Cool to think about though.

[@hartstudebakerkid]

Wrong....check your hunting regs.....small game season is open when large game is so the way Dave does it if he sees Forest Grouse he can load for them and have a couple in his game bag and then go back to large game. When I am bow hunting I carry a side arm for bear and a Flue Flue arrow for grouse on my quiver.

[@iliveoutside]

Might be true in SOME areas but in my state carrying birdshot or rimfire in the field is a violation during our firearms deer season--only slug/buckshot is allowed. You also cant carry a firearm during archery season unless you have a ccw license, and even then pistol cannot be used for dispatching game.

[@hartstudebakerkid]

Read your regs again. If you have a small game lisence in your possession "they" cant say anything. I never said anything about dispatching game plus dispite what the game laws say open carry is legal doent matter if bow hunting or not and you can have mul;tiple tags so one can hunt deer or elk with a bow and bear, coyote, cougar, racoon, grouse with a firearm.

[@iliveoutside]

I've hunted for well over 35 years, every state has their own regs and i know mine. What is legal for you is not universal. Good luck with whatever it is you are trying to achieve.

[@hartstudebakerkid]

If you are only reading the hunting pamplet then you do not you have to actually go to your states code and the federal code also known as CFR and of course the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Federal Law also trumps state law.

[@TheKodiak72]

So chewed musket balls. Being interested I just did some quick search, it seemed it was dimpled not for aerodynamics but to cause worse wounds to the enemy.

[@LeeWolfLittle]

My 13 y/o nephew is really small for his age. He cares a 410, he has the adapter, power and shot, what size mold should he buy to make his on balls? Thank you and God Bless

[@survivewithout]

played fine for me, thanks

[@Hamboy6295yoyo]

I miss you on dual survival:(

[@pyllywaltteri]

Thats a dream job you have

[@olechuga2]

Sir, an EXCELLENT piece of advise in converting a 12ga single shot shotgun into a blackpowdered weapon. Thank you Sir, for your great video and hard work. Oscar

[@GF_Burke]

know you are a busy dude. But love these old vids man.

[@lump88]

aka, knight50cal here. long time, glad to see the vids are still coming and strong, luv to see just how far you've came since the days of the lowly olé forum page. I dont know if this is one of the methods you guys tried to make shot, but I seem to remember someone explaining to me about dripping molten lead from a distance I can't remember, couldn't have been more than a foot or two, dripping it from a distance into a bucket of water. I've seen some pretty round ball of sadder when it falls into a bucket while soldering copper pipe at work, so in theory it should work for lead as well. actually hope you guys can figure out. it almost has to work. and do you sell the 209 conv for a ss 20ga?

[@DavidCanterbury]

Yeah we tried that to brother its messy and non consistent at best, much easier to mold balls. You can call Short Lane Arms and he can send you a 20GA/209. I remember ya brother

[@sargefaria]

Nice shootin bud. Great vid.Playin catch-up here as I been gone for a bit......thanks for the bump as well

[@TheRatchetSniper]

Can you use a side-by-side or an over-under as a muzzleloader with the 209 shotgun primer adapter

[@DavidCanterbury]

Yes

[@TheRatchetSniper]

***** thanks, get vid

[@joshprice701]

Dave we are getting ready to have extreme weather here in ohio as u probably know already think u might be able to do an extreme vid for us..... just a thought

[@joshprice701]

I guess that's a no go lol..... it was worth a shot lol

[@DavidCanterbury]

Josh Price Don't think I will be here when the weather hits, I have to travel to get the new Triple Barrel Shotgun engraved and finished before leaving for Shot show in Vegas next week, Hoping to get a ML hunt in tomorrow then I will be gone most of the next 2 weeks

[@joshprice701]

right on dave good luck n be safe

[@chertmonkey2368]

Dave, I like when you, Brian and Steve all do similar videos. Each perspective is unique, I learn something from each of you.

[@ltramel275]

Does anyone know how this setup is classified?? Black powder guns are illegal to hunt small game here where I'm from. It is a modern gun using black powder setup. I so want to use this setup.

[@GoldenLohan]

Thanks Dave love the series... any possibility of doing something on using horses.. such as packing em to load carry, looking after a horse on a long journey, carrying capacity etc ... that sort of thing?

[@matthewbroadhurst5505]

I would like to take some classes at the Pathfinder school And where's that half finder school located ?

[@derekrush3116]

Which size adaptor seats the 209 primer? This is a sweet set up!

[@blakewilliams2588]

Hey Dave I've been a long time follower of yours for a while and I like what u do but never get comments back from u or answers when I have questions. Just curious but thought I would bring that up. I'm just a little guy here but I like the history of stuff u bring up and I'm a man of many trades my self. I shoe my own horses,do a little black smithin, and try to do it all myself outdoors etc.just wondering if. Asking dumb questions or are ya too busy for some of us

[@DavidCanterbury]

Sorry man what is your question?

[@blakewilliams2588]

How did u learn all your trades or what inspired u to do your work and share it with the rest of us? Hope I didn't come off like a jerk I'm just a really big fan of yours

[@blakewilliams2588]

And when u did the fattwood video I was wondering if you've ever showed coming up on a pine knot or pine stump and cut into that for best results with Ferro rod

[@DavidCanterbury]

Blake Williams Journal of the Yurt 38 A day in the Life

[@DavidCanterbury]

Blake Williams Journal of the Yurt 21 Historical Ramblings

[@JohnSmith-us6ir]

I don't use a gun

[@jackstevens6263]

Looks like you got a little less snow than we did here in Clermont County. With the Nasty cold coming Monday and Tuesday are you going to try and do some extreme cold tips video(s)?

[@matthunt5013]

Awesome! have you ever thought about storing away lead ingots? I think it would be a wise idea for anyone owning a shotgun of any kind...if you could find molds to make slugs, 00 buck, and 1-8 shot I think you would be good to go for any type of situation whether it be self defense or hunting....I would also store black powder and smokeless powder and of course primers

[@danareinhartiii4966]

Great video Mr. Dave!

[@mharm734]

working now for me too

[@airstrike3airsoft]

Do some more blacksmithing videos like how you got steel and they are very interesting and informing so please make more blacksmithing videos

[@richardbergeron5466]

hey dave do you think you can do more food trapping and just trapping and shelter making videos thanks,richard

[@DavidCanterbury]

I would venture to say that between my modern trapping series and Primitive trapping I have almost 100 trapping videos brother, and I know I have at least 30 Shelter videos- Do I really need to concentrate on more of those?

[@BorealWoodsrunner]

***** no....no u don't lol...but hey cant blame them I have watched all your videos and still look forward to the next no matter the topic you discuss :)

[@richardbergeron5466]

just asking

[@longhunterslegacy7240]

Ya, it won't play man.

[@treyetter8054]

Have you ever checked out the Littleton Shotmaker? I've been considering buying one.

[@hartstudebakerkid]

You might try 000 buck shot instead in that 12 gage as on deer size targets it is much harder to miss. I do that for reloading shotgun hulls and blackpowder. Also have you tried melting lead in your ladle and dripping it a drop at a time into a can of water. I made some nasty keyholeing black powder loads that way.

[@hogkillerjp]

great video

[@planejet42]

I'm up in Cleveland, but I'd love to come down to the Pathfinder school sometime!

[@kweek45]

Dave be careful of getting water or snow in the melted lead. If that snow got in that lead you'll get one heck of a visit from the tincle fairy.

[@DavidJelsmaBanjo]

The wife and I really enjoy your videos brotha! We've seen almost all of them and yeah you've been pretty thorough with shelters and trapping. I love the Trapping stuff the most. Getting gear together, getting traps waxed and can't wait to start this year. The Utah Trappers Associations is having a pow wow this spring for members and anyone interested. Hoping to get some good pointers for my area and meet the community of trappers. Thanks Dave for everything you do for..... Dave-Banjo

[@danpisula3531]

Just found your KZbin channel,great info.

[@jjh9355]

Has anyone used chewed balls in a ball block? Wouldnt think it make much difference, but if you patch in the block it ought to fit the same, Reckon?

[@onourownnoob2333]

Wow, you are truly amazing!! Hopefully, one day, I will be able to afford one of your classes.

[@xzekkx]

Dave, What would you suggest for someone who doesn't want or can't shoot lead (as in California) like me? Something like copper, or just stay with commercial.

[@DavidCanterbury]

I would use steel but that limits flexibility for sure

[@xzekkx]

OK, thank you, I actually just did some research and i'm not affected by the new lead ban. :)

[@hartstudebakerkid]

I would use choated shot. Choated shot is plated. Some BBs are choated shot as I recall it is Daisey brand BB guns that require it. That whole mess with California is gonna kill most hunting simply because of the idiots that wrote the legislation. You cant hunt with lead but you can still practice. I have made some good varmit loads by cutting up 10-14 gage copper wire.

[@xzekkx]

Alright that might work, Thanks

[@offtherichter7]

Are there any substitutes for lead that you could work with in bush that aren't harmful to the environment? Just curious even though I understand this most likely wasn't a concern for the historic longhunter. I'm a big fan Dave! You do amazing work, thanks for sharing all this knowledge

[@DavidCanterbury]

As far as forming it maybe Clay that was fired correctly-

[@Shannon_Lacey]

I was always curious at what kind of accuracy could be obtained from a chewed ball from a smooth bore. Thanks for shootin' a couple of rounds for us to see.

[@IMLabman]

Another great video, Dave! Makes me want to ditch my pump shot 12ga and get a single shot to give this a go. :D BTW, If you live in a fishing village, the lead-core ropes used as foot ropes on gill nets have little elongated bits of lead in them. When I was a kid I used to use them in my pellet gun...they were a perfect fit! I'm sure they would make good shot for shotguns as well. Oh, and of course there's lead fish line weights and lead cod jiggers as well! All good sources of lead in a pinch. :)

[@GunsAreEssential1975]

Great video and demonstration Dave! Really impressed with the accuracy of the round ball ammo. Surprised we haven't heard anyone farting knowledge about how the .22lr is the better choice for long term sustainability . Just wait. They're comin'!

[@robertbrennan7799]

Dave have u ever tried to just drip small drops of the molten lead into cool water if u can get a good consistent drop down pat it may work out for making shot in the field might not be perfect or the exact same size but it should make almost a ball shape

[@DinglePrep]

Dave great Video, for the people having problems watching the vid over the last couple of hours, YT updates certain things at certain times of the day, I think, for me in the UK it happens just after midnight up till around 0200 every night (I work the night shift) and any vid over a minute I have problems viewing especially the new uploads, which happens to be Dave's and other US channels due to the time differences.

[@jigstick]

won't play for me

[@swatnc8051]

That's neat never thought of using a shot gun in that way. There is a shot tower on the new river on VA it is a state historic site

[@lurches21]

Dave, another great video. I came across an article in the lastest issue backwoodsman magazine the article was written by a man named Dale Shadle. He talks how many to make shot by running melted lead through window screen, letting it drop about twenty feet into cool water. In the article he says it will lead the barrel of your fowler because it the shot is not coated. I would be glad to send the info to you just let me know.

[@ackblade4505]

Dave serious questions if i recall in your video "scout camp common man black powder setup" you use 90ish? grains of powder in your gun but on my short lane adapter it says 60 grains max load. Can I use more?

[@DavidCanterbury]

What you do is up to you brother I will not go against the manufacturers advice

[@ackblade4505]

***** Thanks for the reply brother.

[@gordonfisher8551]

Dave youtube keeps saying there is a problem with the video. It will not play.

[@gordonfisher8551]

Thank you that's what I did I actually closed the web page reset the computer and got back online and it started working. I mistakenly thought that there was a problem with the upload, but thanks for your help.

[@dougallen7890]

How much of a wool wad, over powder? 3" chamber?

[@DavidCanterbury]

I use a pretty good wad Doug about 2" most likley

[@30hoss]

Dave nice video since you started with the single shot 12 development it taught me a lot on its versatility and I will be doing the same thing because it makes sense but I do have a question it might be stupid might not be but when you load the 12 with that adaptor it's powder,wading, shot,wading correct? If so how does the powder not fall out the touch hole when you break it open?

[@DavidCanterbury]

You could prime the gun first in this case as the H&R has a cross bar safety mech but the powder is course enough it will not fall through the whole if you are using an Equivelant like Pyrodex

[@hartstudebakerkid]

Stoney Lonsome Buy a book...... blackpowder is very forgiving compared to the stuff that I use to reload cartridges.

[@hartstudebakerkid]

Yes I added black powder to my list 25 years ago. Only problem that I have had was two chambers fireing at the same time with one of my revolvers and I stopped that from happening by using an over the powder wad and an over bullet wad with grease around the edges. I have had revolvers charged for several years.... dropped one in a puddle and still had it fire just fine.

[@hartstudebakerkid]

Heck I just picked up a Walker replica yester day and plan on using it for carry when bow hunting as it is more powerful then a 44 magnum.

[@mre.w.2850]

hi dave great video love the longhunter series, could you advise me on the choke to fire these balls, i have a ip-18 baikal 12g single with a 2,3/4 chamber but not sure on the choke, what would u say is the best choke to use and the pressure it should have, also like to say have a great way of making wax slugs that dont break up and will be accurate and bust through 2inch wood at 20yards.

[@dexterlexter123]

Dave i was thinking a peice of steel cablew of wire with some hooks at different heights would make a great pot hanger

[@leo0274]

Hello Dave, I would like to know your opinion about hunting for sport. I mean, when the main objective of the hunt is a trophy not food os skin but they are not wasted.

[@DavidCanterbury]

Honest opinion without ruffling too many feathers you can eat horns brother-

[@leo0274]

***** Thanks for answering!

[@sirkai007]

I can't find a .71 caliber ball mold anywhere. Biggest mold i can find is a .69 cal

[@xzekkx]

Dave, couldn't you use a pump action just as well as a break open 12 gauge for shooting black powder with a reloaded shell or wit the short lane adapter?

[@DavidCanterbury]

Not with the adapter very easy but yes with reloads if the were crimped or cut to exact length, some pumps are picky

[@xzekkx]

cool, thank you

[@davidbruceclark]

Dave. This may be a silly question but as your hair and beard are so much longer than when you did your Yurt and Tipi series, could this be regarded as a natural resource. For example beard hair for musket pan cleaning brushes and head hair as tinder?

[@Iwillbedurnd]

Pull it and braid it for cordage. I'm serious! It's one of the reasons I grow my hair long.

[@Iwillbedurnd]

Stoney Lonsome I saw it in a movie. A man held captive had nothing better to do so he braided a rope from his hair and escaped with it and when the guards saw they tried using his rope, he set it on fire and they fell to their deaths. I think it was an old King kong movie.

[@mharm734]

All I get is an error occured when I try to view it

[@drumgodtim]

Great and informative vid. Thanks! Are you concerned about the EPAs rumored/future restrictions in regards to lead ammo?

[@PilgrimsBushcraft]

Is that the box I mailed you? Why you shoot'n up my box?! lol

[@DavidCanterbury]

Ha!

[@robertlundquist5450]

Thanks. You answered a few questions I had in this video. The DNR here in WI are scratching their heads trying to figure out if this counts as muzzleloader for muzzleloader season. What do they say in your states?

[@DavidCanterbury]

Ohio says it is a legal ML as long as you are not carrying any shells-

[@robertlundquist5450]

Thanks. I'll pass that on to our local game warden. It will be nice to have another season to hunt in. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and skills with us.

[@Iwillbedurnd]

Hey Dave you should look into getting an oxy acetylene torch tip cleaner. When you see it you will see why I told you about it ;)~

[@rcharlesify]

Hey Dave, loved the video I'm how do you shoot the regular shot is there a special way that has to be done

[@hartstudebakerkid]

What I do for my 150 year old double barrel is I take a square of cloth and kinda fold the shot up in the cloth then slide it dwn the barrell.

[@tjenn71]

I wonder if folding tang adjustable peep site would help with accuracy?