AMPLIFIER MATCHING with the KEF Q Concerto Meta

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@iainsolly2575 Ай бұрын

John I had a very interesting testing session with a friend on Kef R5 recently. The most striking difference was the NAIM uniti atom vs the NAD C399 which is the amp he bought. The NAIM became distorted far earlier than the C399 which ws extremely interesting. After digging deeply into this I found out that the damping factor seemed to have a significant role to play here. The damping factor (not teaching you to suck eggs) is effectively the way a speaker can absorb the flyback current generated by a speakers movement. So when a speaker moves it wants to bounce back and the bounce back needs to be damped as fast as possible to avoid distortion. Just like a cars suspension needs to damp bumps to avoid a bouncy ride. High damping results in a "punchier" sound the bass is sharper, maybe not as full but more precise.Fuller bass would come from less well damped amps. Your description matches the damping factor. The Hegel has a damping factor of 4000 (Huge), the NAD M23 800 (very good) The Luxman is only 200 which is just about acceptable as is the Musical Fidelity 150. I am guessing the Quads are probably about 300. This is not the be all and end all because digital amps don't necessarily behave like more traditional amps. So power is important because without enough power you can't control a speaker driver effectively BUT you also need to stop a driver as fast as you can start it. I think there is a whole minefield of work to be done here! Hope this is of interest! BTW I have the Lyngdorf 1120 with G5050's what a combo! thanks for introducing me to this amazing amp!

@mchrome3366 Ай бұрын

I learned alot from this video and the comments afterwards. I’m learning how clueless I was 25 years ago in my first stint as an audiophile. Your channel and some others to be fair are resources that even 10 years ago we had no way of knowing the complete picture. And in this hobby know just enough at your own risk of being perpetually baffled why you can’t find the perfect setup. Thanks again

@jvrietveld Ай бұрын

What a wonderful story. It can be a meaningful comparison between watches and amplifiers-their craftsmanship, engineering, and performance. This story is not about the watts an amp can output; it’s about focusing on their character, which makes them unique.

@AnotherAnonymousMan Ай бұрын

Another casually excellent video from Darko. A lot of people on certain forums throw shade at reviewers who aren't measurement based, but to my knowledge, I've never seen anyone else make this point. Maybe the range of amps we audition speakers with should be as big of a focus as the range of songs.

@dixieflatline1189 Ай бұрын

The KEF's are circa $1300. If someone was going to build a new system, sure they are going to try to match equipment - but they are also going to have a budget (it's a bell curve, sure - some people price isn't a factor, but average buyers it's important) Matching the KEF's with amps that are x3 or 4 price multiplier's doesn't seem a thing in most buying scenarios. That John has these amps to hand is fab - but it's also the reviewers dilemma. Still, a good story well told as always. The mechanical watch analogy is top tier ❤

@hjkFB Ай бұрын

As a physicist I feel obliged to say that the idea of being more sure about the correct time using only a single mechanical watch as opposed to two watches is just an illusion. Your measurement uncertainty goes down by a lot when doing 2 measurements, you just don't 'feel' how wrong you are when doing only one. Of course, in music we're not looking for the 'correct' music listening experience. (as I've heard you speak about many times) So, if our first 'measurement' or 'listening experience' brings us joy and excitement, there's no need for a second measurement (or watch), since we've already found what we're looking for. So, now that I'm done being annoying. Thank you very much for the video! The gear looks like an absolute blast to listen to music with.

@gerhardreinecke3945 Ай бұрын

Enough teasing glamour shots of that Thorens Anniversary turntable, we need the review, soon...

@NisuUuno Ай бұрын

I think a Rega Elicit Mk5 would go well with these KEFs. Underrated amp, should be reviewed more.

@adsph Ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing. Good points with regard to different amps.

@davidrivera2165 Ай бұрын

It's well known that KEF distributors love to pair Hegel amps to drive KEF speakers. I use a Hegel h190 to drive my KEF R3 meta, with a subwoofer up to 300hz. KEF states that the ohm load on their stand mounts doesn't dip below 3.2 ohm. In reality when driven up to 95 hz peaks, on bass heavy tracks, it will deep to 2.5 ohm. This being the case an amp that delivers a lot of current, when the load demand increases, is extremely beneficial. Thanks JD.

@820stovall 12 күн бұрын

I am powering mine with a Belles Aria integrated. It sounds phenomenal with ample bass. Maybe a little warm with the EQ flat, but can be EQed to taste. I love the combo.

@anzhuliu Ай бұрын

I am using the concerto meta (same colour) with a Wiim amp pro and also marantz M1, which I just got 2 days ago. Better bass than anything ive seen, extends deeper than the r3 meta (even kef's official spec sheet states so). The concerto also has better directivity than the r3 meta... and dynamic range... (compression when playing super loud, 96db, 100+ db, erin's audio review).

@jakenord5027 Ай бұрын

WiiM Amp Pro vs. Marantz M1?

@820stovall Ай бұрын

Agreed. I am listening to them through a Wiim Pro and a Belles Aria. Amazing bass response.

@syanhc Ай бұрын

Everything in music depends on timing. The more accurate the time, the better the music performance and reproduction. Good watch analogy....❤

@Wolek96 Ай бұрын

Thank you very much for that video. I have just upgraded my old NAD c350 for NAD c379. I am running Dali Oberon 3’s. Sound quality is like day and night,especially in higher volume range. I was also thinking about upgrading to these Kef’s,but now I will have to give them a good listen session,as I will have to decide if I will have to buy an power amp to my c379 to doesnt waste their potential.

@Another_Audiophile Ай бұрын

From burgers to watches. Is getting better all the time 😂nice video!

@DarkoAudio Ай бұрын

⌚︎🍔

@andysmith9720 Ай бұрын

Saw Lips play the album in its entirety supported by Dinosaur Jr, great gig.

@dejangruhn8597 Ай бұрын

After several reviews in that Hegel amps were covered I think the Hegel empathies in the punchy base. Not only the higher integrated´s. Its all the way through their products.

@ronaldweed6103 Ай бұрын

So love that bass

@riccitone Ай бұрын

This would translate more into an amp’s current delivery and immediacy. Another thing I’ve found that can bring speakers more to life - or reduce resistance a bit - is to slap on some 9 or even 7 AWG speaker cables.

@ThomasPetzwinkler Ай бұрын

Great video! So, about the zoetrope records. I believe you will see them playback under a turntable strobe. So, on the technics, the little red light should show the animation in a dark room. Anyway, just a thought. Thanks for what you do John. Supremely entertaining and informative!

@DarkoAudio Ай бұрын

Yep, a strobe would do it. Or a camera (per the video) 😉

@mrkitewine7700 Ай бұрын

It is all to do with synergy between the amp and speakers. I recently upgraded my amplifier and found one brand (naim) had a crazily impactful bass thump with my speakers (neat) and a vastly different presentation to the others. It made me question what the “truth” was. In the end I bought one from Exposure.

@stevenhunter3454 Ай бұрын

Love how you think about things John, how you think of these analogies ? 👍Thanks

@KING_DRANZER Ай бұрын

I think it is true "KEF" in regards to its AMP pairing. When a speaker is noticeably different with different AMPs it is paired to. I would put that speaker up there on my list.

@archimagosmusings2708 17 күн бұрын

Impedance matching needs to be considered given the perceived frequency variations between the amps.

@allanflippin2453 Ай бұрын

I have a thought. You mention that the perceived bass performance of the KEF is amplifier dependent. Also, you mention for Lintons, it's the treble response which is amplifier dependent. If the KEFs have a weak point, it would be bass. And if the Linton's have a weak point, it would be treble. My point is, the weaker characteristic of a speaker would seem to the be one which is impacted more by the amplifier it's paired with.

@820stovall Ай бұрын

The bass performance of the Q Concerto Metas is far from a weakness, I can assure you.

@dal2258 Ай бұрын

Testing 5 different amps in my home with my speakers, only in my dreams 😢

@GentielioGaming Ай бұрын

The Rotel Michi amps are one of the most neutral sounding class A/B. I heard that on a few occasions.

@marcgabor9690 Ай бұрын

because you are focusing on the quality of the low end, it seems like the luxman would be the amp that gets the most out of these speakers. in other words there is a hierarchy of which amp best drives the speakers to their full potential. but if you start talking about compromises like one amp has a sweeter top end but softer bass vs more punchy bass but harder sounding treble, then i think the preference for one amp over another becomes more subjective and the watch analogy makes more sense.

@damonoriente736 Ай бұрын

Nicely done.

@Drackleyrva Ай бұрын

Ohhhhh the Luxman 505z!! Hopefully a proper review soon. ;)

@roos551 Ай бұрын

you can also change speaker cable to.for example,sommer cable,for me it made a big difference.

@peterlea1968 Ай бұрын

All thing being equal then the difference is in the amps and not the speaker. The speaker only plays the signal it gets.

@LUCB51 Ай бұрын

Merci la traduction vocale par Google 🇫🇷

@alaincayer8999 Ай бұрын

A good reason I like my Luxman amplifier is that it has bass control . I can increase the bass on a track having more bass if I am in the mood for it.

@DarkoAudio Ай бұрын

Sure but that is a frequency response adjustment. What I am talking about here is dynamic attack.

@johnnixon2504 Ай бұрын

BlueMan Group uses strobe lights to enhance the "movement" on their spinning art.

@edwardsanchez3708 Ай бұрын

I have the Q11s and Q6 running them with a Emotiva XPA5.

@sanderdelft Ай бұрын

Hopefully your next video will be on bi- or tri-amping speakers 😊

@fidelitycastro Ай бұрын

I see a Boards of Canada reference and I upvote.

@citytianyu Ай бұрын

Just noticed that in the video, both the Hegal and NAD amplifiers are a bit overwhelming the rack... causing it bended.

@KtsStone80 Ай бұрын

I hope this video helps drive the point home, amps matter and they have varying synergies with speakers. No doubt A/B with high damping factor making a difference.

@DarkoAudio Ай бұрын

Hegel make a big noise about its damping factor being particularly high at 4000. So why does the 590 provide more abundant bass dynamics than the NAD M23 whose damping factor sits at around 800? I guess that's for engineers to tell us 🤷🏻‍♂️

@nobodyimportant2294 Ай бұрын

Current, not just wpc would be interesting to know… Besides that, as usual a entertaining video 🧐

@timomy8 Ай бұрын

Something to throw into the equation is dampening factor of each amp. The higher the dampening factor the easier they will drive a woofer and deliver better lower dynamics. With that said class D usually has a much higher dampening factor vs A/B etc meaning you'll get a tighter bass response. But more isn't always needed just the right amount for the type of speaker and speaker cable combo, yes speaker cable length will add more resistance to the load so the Keff are already a 4ohm speaker that dip down to approx 3.2ohms making them challenging to drive + add the cable resistance, I think you get where we are going. Food for thought.

@DarkoAudio Ай бұрын

I considered that. Hegel make a big noise about its damping factor being particularly high at 4000. So why does the 590 provide more abundant bass dynamics than the NAD M23 whose damping factor sits at around 800? I guess that's for engineers to tell us 🤷🏻‍♂️

@mikkot Ай бұрын

@@DarkoAudio if higher damping factor relates to punchier bass, does it not make sense that amp with 4000 beats amp with 800?

@DarkoAudio Ай бұрын

So why does an amplifier with a damping factor of 200 (the Luxman) sound punchier in the low end than one with 800 (the NAD)? 🤷🏻‍♂️ I dunno.

@timomy8 Ай бұрын

@@DarkoAudio I believe the type of amplification may play a part A/B vs D, you don't need 4000 Dampening you only need enough for the type of load that needs to be driven. With that additionally more resistance from longer speaker cable adds to how much harder the amp needs to push. I suspect that due to the speakers dipping down to 3.2 ohms maybe even more it may be impacting the NAD more than the Luxman, the Luxman may handle the additional resistance better.

@timomy8 Ай бұрын

@@DarkoAudio just our of curiosity are you using silver speaker cables at 1 location but not the other ?

@brettjensen4760 Ай бұрын

I really appreciated this video comparing amps and how they sound. The mechanical watch analogy was great. I have a Gato (150) I prefer over the luxman and would be interested to know if you have used them - not necessarily for these KEFs but in the same more general amp to amp comparison

@nuznikas Ай бұрын

Chasing bass on 6 inch wooder is crazy you get distorsion not sound

@bilguana11 Ай бұрын

Speaker's impedance curves can vary wildly.

@kattenfrederik618 Ай бұрын

It kind of surprises me that you did not test out speakers and/or amps in more configurations in the first place. So much can be gained or lost trying this out. You know that, I trust your reviews. I don't like KEF speakers and class D amps myself, but still, this finding should have been your own. Maybe bring a opposite sounding amp to Portugal, to have both ends of the spectre?

@johnpischedda6951 Ай бұрын

Thanks John, Nice to see Luxman get a look in ! review in the wings ?

@dicmccoy Ай бұрын

The differences you are noticing with the bass is the damping factor. Which can be undone and indistinguishable with the wrong speaker connectors on your speaker cables.

@xenonoone8011 Ай бұрын

Damping factor / output impedance of the amp making the difference is probably spot on. The Q Concertos have two quite pronounced peaks in their impedance (port at slightly above 30Hz: 30 Ohm, Woofer around 60Hz: 23-24 Ohm). On an amp with low damping factor / output impedance greater 0 this could be audible. A cable with resistance that is high enough to change this i would call defective, though. 🤔 Regarding the mechanical watch analogy: Choosing a well designed amplifier with near zero output impedance, high damping factor will make the speaker (any speaker, really) sound closest to its measured performance. While such an amp might feel like a casio watch you will be punctual. 😜 To contradict myself: Listening to the concertos and Q6meta on low impedance, high damping factor class D monoblocks with ~250 WPC... Time always flies much to fast

@DarkoAudio Ай бұрын

@xenonoone8011 Ай бұрын

@@DarkoAudio so what mechanism or interaction apart from the known electrical ones do you suspect to be at work here? Any engineer asked to explain the difference will first ask "what difference is there?" and start to measure. Beginning with retesting the manufacturers specs 😜

@DarkoAudio Ай бұрын

I'm not an engineer so I couldn't even venture a guess -- but I know someone who is and who might be able throw some more light on this subject. We'll hear what he has to say in an upcoming podcast episode.

@dicmccoy Ай бұрын

@@DarkoAudio that would be awesome! Thank you 🙏. It's definitely interesting and the only thing that would make sense for the differences and is a very interesting topic. As for the NADs Damping Factor, they don't give a spec on it or output impedance. They use a modified version of the 1ET400a Eigentakt output stage and then everything from the wiring, to the binding posts can only worsen the output impedance/damping factor. March Audio's P451 which uses the factory 1ET400a Eigentakt and very low mass ETI Kryo binding posts has a damping factor of 13300. The new 2nd generation of Eigentakt modules have doubled in DF. But you need to know the resistance of your cables after termination which will undo majority of that. I know the values on my Mogami cables fully completed and my DF on one of those March Audio's would be just over 900. There's a speaker cable from Benchmark that would take the new Gen 2's 26600 DF and brings it all the way down to just 500. And DF is spec'd at 8 ohms, but changes wildly as we know the impedance is changing wildly with frequency. The higher the impedance from the speaker, the higher the DF gets. Those low impedance dips, you don't have much DF left. If you know either the output impedance or damping factor, then it's easy to find out what the other one is and you can calculate what the end result would be at 8 ohms if you know the measures resistance of your completed cables.ost companies though only give you a resistance value measures on the cable itself at 1 meter. They do not give you a rating on a completed cable after terminations, and it's those terminations that are the main thing that can undo all the DF. Even the binding posts on the amps. It's why I tend to look for low mass connectors and binding posts. I know I didn't get into the technicalities and ran the numbers with you. I've been on this subject a lot lately and didn't want to bore the class. I look forward to listening to the podcast and hope this is a subject that can be discussed. Again, thank you Darko. Keep up the great work.

@mmeysarosh Ай бұрын

There is a potential correlation on the bass differentials perceived relative to the speakers EPDR getting sub 2 ohm from 80-120hz range. May be interesting if that data can be confirmed and this information could aid in obtaining better amp matching. This does seem to be a curios design choice as amplifiers stable to lower impedances tend to have greater cost, and potentially out of proportion to this speakers relative pricing.

@ChristianGoergen Ай бұрын

Matching amplifiers with a(ny) speaker is like calibrating a micrometergauge with different twigs.

@CosmicKnight1 15 күн бұрын

I don’t suppose Kef has shared what amps they use in designing speakers?

@bacon.dumpling 5 күн бұрын

I have often seen them use Hegel to drive their speakers when they exhibit on shows. It might be what they are designing with.

@fanturi Ай бұрын

It's funny to see this video just after the one from cheapaudioman about the kef that he doesn't like.

@paweflis4680 Ай бұрын

Somehow I trust John more than CAM (cheapudioman) but I like them both 😄

@820stovall Ай бұрын

I would take that guy's speaker reviews with a grain of salt.

@asm200sx Ай бұрын

He also doesn't like the LS50 which in my experience is very choosy with amps.

@D1N02 Ай бұрын

Bass performance can be influenced by so many things In the chain. Not just speaker amp combo, also source, power, cabling (power, speaker, interconnect). NAD is doing something wrong though, this is not the first time I hear about pairing problems with their class d, amp.

@Hyper1555 Ай бұрын

NAD is the only thing I touch. I guess I just like class D. They have the best musicality while also staying dynamic and detailed. The T778 blows anything out of the water in terms of music performance. In my opinion the only surround receiver that do both movies and music.

@DarkoAudio Ай бұрын

💣💦

@R2D2-V2D2 Ай бұрын

Thanks for the video i just enjoyed it 😊 Can you please review Sonus Faber Sonetto II G2 bookshelf speakers? If they actually sound like $10000 SF higher end speakers? Everyone will be interested, thanks

@grayfool Ай бұрын

Surely the "sound" of any audio component is relative to the amp and the room. You can only get a subjective comparison of two or more components outside of your own system in your own room. This is why I find the youtube videos of folks demoing their systems somewhat bizarre. What are we supposed to be hearing over the internet on our, probably, crappy computer or phone based systems? Maybe it's me, I just don't get it.

@rosswarren436 Ай бұрын

Think maybe buying a cheap adjustable rate strobe shinning on the record might give you the illusion of motion on the record.

@DarkoAudio Ай бұрын

Yep!

@bwest6275 Ай бұрын

Just like the latest Pet Shop Boys vinyl 🙂

@DarkoAudio Ай бұрын

I don't understand...sorry. :/

@geographyinaction7814 Ай бұрын

I wonder how these would fare with the Rotel A11 Tribute and CD11 Tribute, using a separate DAC?

@DizzyVizzle Ай бұрын

I dont have money for all that 😅. I run mine with an Emotiva BasX a3 which is 220w@4ohm. sounds great.

@terrycochrane7811 Ай бұрын

Different equipment discussed, but any difference in the rooms?

@DarkoAudio Ай бұрын

I like how you think!

@VinodKumar-gx7wj Ай бұрын

Moderate priced Class D amplifiers such as Cambridge Audio Evo 150, NAD M10, Marantz Model M1 etc. should drive the bass driver better on the Concerto Meta rather than very expensive AB amplifiers.

@michaelmcglynn968 Ай бұрын

Why is that?

@pureblood8307 Ай бұрын

Agreed

@VinodKumar-gx7wj Ай бұрын

@@michaelmcglynn968 Class Ds will have more grip in lower frequencies at relatively lower price compared to class AB amplifiers

@GautamChatterji Ай бұрын

Kef needs far greater damping factor, it’s a known thing. Many reviewers have told this so many times. Infact it’s said KEF does development using high DF amps

@rw80 Ай бұрын

Kef’s have a relatively low impedance, so output impendance of the amp must be lower, hence a higher damping factor. On the other hand, no speaker benefits from a lower damping factor so if it’s good for kef it’s good for all speakers.

@GautamChatterji Ай бұрын

@@rw80 yes for the same reasons Harbeth uses Hegel for all demonstrations in audio shows. Wonder why all manufacturers don’t care so much for high DF if that’s so beneficial?!

@davidfoster916 29 күн бұрын

How is your Marantz Stereo 70s with the KEF Q Concerto Meta please?

@mucahitsahin97 7 күн бұрын

Hello, I am using Marantz Stereo 70s for Kef Q Concerto, but an audiophile told me that this speaker requires power and that this amplifier cannot feed it enough. He said that I can choose Marantz model 60n or higher models and you can enjoy it more. My preference is the old series of model 60n. I bought PM 7000 n. I haven't tried it yet, unfortunately I can't share my knowledge on this subject.. good day. stay with the music

@Snowbird-v8l Ай бұрын

Darko, nice construct to get people thinking about component personality. But arn’t all these beautiful amps a bit of overkill for the Concertos given respective price points?

@mikkot Ай бұрын

Damn don't leave a fan of M23 hanging - any wow pairings with that amp?

@michaelmcglynn968 Ай бұрын

Are those the KEF SQ1 stands you have the Concertos on? I heard they didn’t have bolt holes for attaching the speakers but it looks like you were able to bolt the Concertos on? And IsoAcoustic Gaia feet?

@Brett1334 Ай бұрын

They do have bolts.

@hixyhicks Ай бұрын

Hello John ,can you tell me the name of the stand the NAD amps are on please ?

@34332 Ай бұрын

Looks like an IKEA sidetable named Baggboda.

@truman4956 Ай бұрын

Is it from IKEA?

@wichiewichie Ай бұрын

He made a video of audio furniture not that long ago in which he talks specifically about this.

@adamhindle9215 Ай бұрын

Ikea BAGGBODA. He's done a vid on furniture. Search his vids for 'furniture'

@maplebrook1955 Ай бұрын

What a great collection of amplifiers. Luxman, Hegel, Quad, etc. A wonderful problem to consider. Does the quality of bass response correspond with the transparency, depth, and width of the soundstage? In other words, can you say which amp helps the Kefs play the best music?

@mehmetcamat4458 Ай бұрын

Hey John can you review the blumenhofer tempesta 17 speakers if you can

@Gadgetdad007 Ай бұрын

Try using the Marantz M1 on these speakers as you will be pleasantly surprised. 😮

@DarkoAudio Ай бұрын

I tried the WiiM Amp and didn't like the sound at all. And not just in the low end.

@barrymiller3385 Ай бұрын

Confusion reigns!😂

@michaelrossmaessler200 Ай бұрын

Welcome to audio ! 😁

@samcoast 22 күн бұрын

Are you going to do a review on the audiolab 9000a? i know the new power is coming out that you probably review, but I'd like to see what you think as that is what i have afte lot of deliberating.

@DarkoAudio 21 күн бұрын

Nope. Won't be reviewing the 9000A. Sorry.

@chandin69 Ай бұрын

Isnt what you hear always not the speaker..but the interaction between the amplifier and the speaker?

@Tmp205 Ай бұрын

Everything….. power, cable, media

@NickRobbMusic Ай бұрын

I only buy black vinyl (carbon) and no digital mastering anywhere in the chain. Which pretty much means Discogs only. Otherwise a good streamer/dac is superior

@justkiddin1980 Ай бұрын

The same is true in car audio.. If the source is good and the amps are good you can get away with ‘lesser’ speakers. Sometimes big money for speakers is ridiculous for the tiny tiny differences there are on the really ‘high-end’..

@pdmerritt Ай бұрын

Kef really stepped it up with the new line of speakers but your whole setup needs to be more powerful too. I just purchased all of the Q series stuff in order to get my Kef fix AND be able to drive it with my existing Amplification.

@MSiAventador Ай бұрын

I have experimented with different speaker cables 1) 2,5mm2: PAPRI PC-25 (OFC+OFC Silvering 99.9999%) 2) 4,0mm2: QED Profile 79 (OFC 99.9997%) 3) 4,5mm2: YYTCG GC-T3 (OCC+OCC Silvering 99.9999%) and I must admit that the diameter 4,5mm2 !!! of the cable has a strong influence on the bass, as does the interconnect cables.

@professorcalculus5315 Ай бұрын

Not meaning to snipe - thanks for all you do - but one thing I’ve learnt from you over the journey is there is no ‘true sound’ - just interpretations provided via the mastering, da conversion, amplification, speakers etc - so not sure your ‘true time’ analogy holds?

@cryptochrome_original Ай бұрын

He literally said that at the very end

@rebelde8319 Ай бұрын

Can i use a double FOSI V3 Mono for the KEF Concerto? And to this add a streamer like WiiM Ultra? Its gona be ok setup?

@justinschlicher631 Ай бұрын

It will be fine, but it sounds like reviewers are saying these speakers like more of a class AB amp design for bass purposes. I personally own the V3 Monos and they do great with my power hungry speakers.

@MathewBT81 Ай бұрын

That's why KEFs powered speakers are THE source of truth for their signature sound.

@L8KY Ай бұрын

Wait, you didn't tell us which watch(amp) came closest to your music and the room you were listening in and why? Please?

@Krunescape13 Ай бұрын

Does anyone have kef q550 and can vouch?

@bencausey Ай бұрын

KEF offer home trial then return…why would anyone go to a dealer? Even the treated room you recommended isn’t nearly as beneficial as having it at home for testing.

@quentendeclercq4792 Ай бұрын

zoetrope records are just a gimmick to have. I have one by Dune rats: Hurry up and wait. cool to watch some rats run in a mill chasing a piece of cheese.