AMX M4 54: Worth The Grind in World of Tanks?

[@MaxGamingFPS]

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[@realkimchi88]

BDR G1 B has been one of the fastest and most fun grinds ever lol, the cannon smacks the shit outta everyone

[@Ulthion]

Yes, its ok, but after that tier 6/7/8 are one of the worst on their tiers. Like most lines have always 1 bad tank - this line have most bad tanks :P

[@johnfrancisterne1072]

The Tier 9 and 10 are perhaps some of the only tech tree tanks to have naval artillery for weapons (the US-designed 5"/54 dual purpose guns and the French 130mm naval gun)

[@georgeeiodraydray]

i believe the IS-7 and SU100Y aswell i think?

[@kermitthefrog1176]

@@johnfrancisterne1072 is7, su100y, the 100mm d10t on the t54-55 is derived from a dual purpose naval gun too. Its not that rare actually for countries with navies to adopt naval cannons for their military forces

[@bigtimemegaproductions]

The Type 2605 (type 5) was meant to act like a mobile bunker on islands and sink cruiser ships. Or so the legend says.

[@GewelReal]

Hummel?

[@hristohristov2258]

Professional tech tree breakdown!

[@jonathansullivan6706]

M4 54 also gets one of the best 3d styles in the game. I'm still partial to the E100's style, but it's a gorgeous tank nonetheless.

[@GamerLee1231]

Nice review! I've never seen a youtuber who reviewed not only T10 but also Former tiers and it is amazing since I have problem with playing with lower tier tanks in the tech tree. Thank you so much for making such a good video!

[@SnapshotHoffy]

Video is a little late as I am at tier 8. Finally got the tracks so have the turret and gun to look forward to. Whoopppeee. Good vid Max I will keep going. Managed 3900 blocking. The big problem with the grind in the tier 8 is to many tier 10 games. 62% games yesterday was tier 10. Could not damage the paint work. Now that is the frustration at tier 8.

[@darrellsymonds3299]

well done mate

[@jannek5757]

One of the last techtrees for me to grind, Tier9 bought now. I almost never buy Tier10 nor play them since the economics. I concentrate saving credits for the grind for now.

[@DUDEWithDODGES]

Just seems like the tier 10 has no armor. It never bounces anything.

[@Paladin93230]

Looks like it might be worth Free XP-ing past the Tier 8 then, if possible.

[@T51B1]

Absolutely, playing that tank is pain

[@Devestator707]

Definitely. That's what I did.

[@caniconcananas7687]

And that's what I did: Stopped at tier 9. Perhaps I bought the tier 10, I don't remember, while it was the top of the tree (time ago). But even so, I've never used it.

[@agbrenv]

6:23 to be fair you have another 90mm gun, it has better aim time and more DPM than the top 90mm and 170 standard pen is still high for a tier 6

[@lakesong7566]

currently at tier 9, unlocked all modules, i looooove the oompf of the bigger gun but i must admit, the smaller gun is more reliable, smaller gun definitely more competitive for the tier 9

[@Matej_Soap]

Couple things: I've never tried tier X with the small gun, always thought it has worse DPM and alpha damage in exchange for better gun handling... After watching your video, perma track seems to be possible(if you play against bad players, because let's get real - most of the tanks(players) can repair their tracks within 7.8 seconds), also if enemy heavy is using hardening plus right 1st field mod you won't be able to track him within first shot because of low alpha. But the 270 pen on normal AP shell seems great... 315 APCR is I would say the same as 296 AP because of normalization. One thing you forgot to mention is the ability to overmatch with 130mm on tier X and 127mm on tier IX. Because with 120mm gun, 40mm nominal armour inclined is autobounce for you(so strv is the worst TD you can encounter >D), and I would say that it's more noticeable on tier IX, because you can encounter more tanks that has only 40mm on top of their turret, on side, or during face hugging on top of their hull. I've 3 marked tier IX using the big gun(From what I can remember worst enemies you can encounter are german heavies because 270 even if it's AP is just not enought against them). But for more casual players I would choose small gun.

[@ozbassman11]

Great video Max, thanks

[@YamianGodlike]

Tier 9 is nice. I unlocked it before the buff to tier 10, kept, it and never bothered with the tier 10. But I'm a special case that doesn't really care about/enjoy tier 10...

[@reptilespantoso]

same here 🙂

[@shark_de_mique]

Same

[@damiandice7324]

I finished the grind 2 weeks ago, made around 20 games with it. And imo its the biggest heavy shit of all other heavies. Huge Sideprofile, simplay no Hulldown skills because everything can Pen your Gunmantlet and your huge capoulas. No Sidescraping, and also noch peaking with the front. Imo its total horroble to play for a heavy tank.

[@Todsor]

I am currently at 65t and hesitant to play it despite top of the tree. Should i stop at tier 9 and leave it in the dust?

[@BajGer12331]

@@Todsor get the tier 9 it was worth the pain at tier 8

[@kostkacukru1776]

@@Todsor Depends... With old M4 54 I had 2700 average dmg, after buffs I went straight up to 3500 average dmg per game and now after that small nerfs it decreased a little bit and now I have around 3150 average DMG. Is it good ? For me personally yes, got better DMG only in VZ-55, obj-260 and also in Kranvagn before nerfs. Still, it is very hard heavy to play and it's IX tier equivalent is more suitable for tier IX mm than tier X for tier X games. So it is up to you, but for me personally, m4 54 is really good and it's 130 mm (big) gun is just special.

[@VendingAparati]

Agree,waste of time. Period.

[@T51B1]

Agreed, it takes a special playstyle to do well and it doesn't do anything that the other heavy tanks don't do.

[@felixwong7962]

currently at tier 9 and i enjoyed it alot, though literally tier 5 to 8 is such a painfull grind, especially 65t, that thing is a satan spawn in this game(though the game itself is already a satan spawn) but all in all, i'd personally say to just bear through the pain of the grind and get to tier 9, it's worth it for me, its the only one in the entire line thats actually good tier to tier (i heard the tier 10 isn't as good tier to tier as the tier 9 is)

[@MxK9420]

nah id say that tier 7 is the best from 5-8 tiers

[@felixwong7962]

@MxK9420 i see, i mean compared to the other tiers (5-8) i do agree that tier 7 is not actually as bad as the others, but i personally wouldn't exactly say that i had fun in tier 7, mostly because apart from the first few matches, i ended up being the bottom tier at all times 😭, it maybe due to my badluck in the matchmaking though.

[@buatareddevils2636]

​​@@felixwong7962 tier 8 is poop, I skip it and stay at 9, 7 pre buff only good point is spamming gold with that big alpha gun, needs to play like support or sniper cuz no armour

[@felixwong7962]

@buatareddevils2636 agreed. Tier 7 Armor is very unreliable except for those few lucky bounces you get or from lower tier opponents. Nothing much needs to be said for the tier 8 cuz it is known as one of, if not, the worst tank in the game. Tier 9 however is simply the bread and butter of the entire line. Its not completely impenetrable from the front, and even going hulldown means that you have to take a certain degree of risk of getting shot in your cupola, all in all, its a fun and balanced all-rounder tank, not a completely braindead one like the BZ 176 where just press W, load gold, and pretty much win.

[@coosmac]

Really appreciate your contents. (Don't let few morons bother you, they are every where and don't deserve your time)

[@jariheimoluoto4959]

The BDR is a beast of a tank. The gun is amazing for tier 5. Hard hitting pretty accurate and good penetration. No tank at tier 5 has any armor. I know "what about kv1?". I see your point, but no. With all the gold flying around not even kv1 has armor.

[@FirstElektroGiant]

i was really looking forward to this. my grind with the tier 9 was awesome, didn't even feel like a grind. then i get this thing. i hate it. the gun is terrrible. i think i have et down to 0,28, but it still misses everything, even in close range. (i haven't unlocked the big gun yet) i think i have played 10 games or something in this and none of them, the gun has been good. i haven't been so disappointed in a tank in wot before. it just sucks. the big gun looks even worse, but people i know says that it works better with the big gun. but man im disappointed.

[@px_braguette]

Idk why your tank doesn't hit since i play the big gun and do very well with it (3.8k avg) it hits hard and the gun handling is fine imo

[@budbud13411]

The M4 51 was great. I’m not really liking to M4 54

[@bogdanraulzbinca3433]

Here's what I think about the max m4 54 with big gun: in terms of performing a bit better the gun needs around 260/265 pen on standard and 305/310 on gold and because it's AP will lose pen by distance. So the tank needs this buff on gun because you need to play quickly with the tank. You need to snapshot ,cause you don't have 3 seconds time to aim , and if you need to snap you will fire a lot of shells and that will cost so much, so in terms of balancing the costs you have to pen some shots and to do that you need much penetration to give you the opportunity not to aim at every weakspot. Obviously the tank needs the speed of 40 km/h back. This would be my philosophy about the max m4😅

[@Pilzmann]

The Tier IX used to be my fav Tank in the Game. The Tier X feels a bit more disappointing compared to the IX

[@ginodelgiudice8312]

its very expensive, you have to spend much credits

[@albazar]

I'M ON THIS GRIND NOW AND I HAVE HIT A WALL AT TIER 8. DONT SEEM TO BE ABLE TO WIN A GAME AT T8. CHEERS FELLA.

[@karolisandri4380]

I just got m4 51 haven't played it yet but i skipped 65t didnt want to suffer :D

[@px_braguette]

I still like the tier 10, yes its not nearly as good as before but I still do avg 3.8k dmg per game the gun (130mm) which I use is so good idk why but it hits hard as well doesn't need stab on top of that imo

[@GhostVvar]

IMO, the recent nerf has completely ruined it to a worse state than it was before the buffs. The gold pen and dpm is nice, but now its sluggish and has worse gun handling. All it needed originally was a buff to dpm and pen. Playing it now just feels so boring and frustrating.

[@letacodilesupreme6445]

i agree, prebuff it was at least interesting for having great gun handling on a 560 alpha imo the first set of nerfs (-200 hp and -5 km/h) should be reverted, as well as the turret bloom nerf

[@Wojtekpl2]

I'm keeping tier VII, IX and X from this line.

[@ohgord-qc3qd]

I only recently got this, mainly as it was cheap. I found the small gun was really accurate, and you can roll out from behind cover diagonally, shoot and pull back quick enough that a lot of people just don't react, and if they do the angle is enough to bounce a lot of stuff

[@rubenzs3161]

Only reason I grinded it is that I got the random blueprints in stacks for this line, so it cost me less than half the xp it would cost otherwise and I still regret it. Tier 9 was great, tier 10 is poop

[@eightynix9733]

I grinded this tank like last week and got it, it's so hard to make the big gun penetrate, but it's pretty accurate

[@failp1ayer435]

saw a lot of 65t in tier 8 onslaught and they usually are on my team, thanks WG

[@JohnDumbatz]

The ARL 44 is obscene OP when you lure the enemy you shot you in the front in your tracks because they make no damage at all

[@norcon99]

Not worth the grind. It's a free tech tree tank and now WG are flooding Tier X with OP premium tanks, free tech tanks are just going to be the cannon fodder.

[@kostkacukru1776]

Personally, I like M4 54. However, I understand why it gets hate from community. You cannot play it as normal heavy, because it just wont work. I play it more aggeresively, I peak only with its lower plate, I dont sidescreap in this tank at all and I usually dont use hulldown, I really try to avoid normal heavy tank 1v1 hull down fights. Just play it more smart and get enemy heavies when they are more vulnerable. penetration is also not made for those hulldown fights, so yeeee. Not gonna flex here, there are obviously many better players than me, but before nerfs I had 2700 average dpm with it. After huge bufs it went to 3500 dpg and after those small nerfs and probably also my own mistakes it decreased and now it is 3200. Which is for me personally 4th best score out all heavy tanks, only exceeded by obj-260, vz-55 and old Kranvagn (before nerfs), which you can basically all classify as great tanks. Still, even with those old 2700 it would be good and I think, you just need really special playstyle and also some skill in order to get it work. It is not as braindead as (sorry for those players) IS-7, where you basically can hulldown everything, sidescreap more easily and also you have good speed and gun doesnt sucks so hard.

[@fast_eddie3441]

Great video! What's the comparison to the auto loader tech tree line. Is it a hard no for that line?

[@JJ-gn8px]

Is the AMX M4 54 Worth The Grind? perhaps, if you don't have 1) 60TP 2)Obj 277 3) E100 then yes else no

[@durachoks]

all these tanks are very different and cant be compared to amx

[@m3todman1]

it s not fair !! 85% of players dont have rammer and turbo .. play it stock man !! you will see the diff !!

[@americanpatriot4227]

???? You can get a Bounty piece or 3 in EVERY battle pass. Yes its 3 million gold to improve it - But ANYONE can do that.

[@AA-yx2kf]

Stop at the M4 51. I've run both guns. I prefer the small gun. But I run the big gun for the overmatch ability, and better trading.

[@ButchE30M3S14]

I love exp. Turbo on the AMX 54 with big boi gun, best of both worlds 😍

[@PDTeter]

m4 54 is like the e50m. Its a perfectly fine tank but its more of a question of why push to get it when the tier 9 is so good?

[@OTOss8]

I just free xp'd past the Tier 8 and it's been nice ever since.

[@GewelReal]

You're checking stats of guns with stock turrets

[@IceAndFlameL755]

May not be worth it right now, but you never know what will be buffed in the future. So I tend to just grind whatever is top of the tree if I don't already have it researched. Better to buy it at a 30% discount too.

[@gulox8241]

Goddamn they nerfed ARL 44 really that hard ? I remember playing it back in the day it was a lot better than KV-85 or any other 6 tier heavy tank, now i cannot say it is that good.

[@shapeshifter7676]

I started researching this tank when it got buffed, I got and they nerfed it the next day... fml

[@danam0228]

Very funny ending 😂

[@lordtark6736]

This tank needs some serious potent buffs. I regret grinding it.

[@spiritusmundi5398]

The tier 9 AMX 51 is a much better tank with the faster loading gun, in my opinion. Of course, you can’t side scrape in these tanks.

[@aa1944-k2r]

i dont have it, but have to face it. i found the armor very strong in the front, it is also quite a tall tank so you cant see or hit the cupolas on the top. but i found the tank quite well balanced, have weakspots for you to hit, strong front armor, good guns, decent mobility but weak sides.

[@VioletGiraffe]

I didn't hate AMX65t. Don't upgrade the turret, obviously. In fact, it feels like 65t and M4 51 have about the same amount of armor, which is some, but not much. I would give it 6/10, while M4 45 is 7/10 just like Max said. And M4 51 is 6.5/10.

[@AetherYes]

I pray to anyone who grinds the M4 45 and 65T good luck on your grinding journey and *sigh* you guys have to deal with getting pen by BZ-176, Artillery, 2 clips by Caliban/Skoda T-56, I'm not gonna be there to "removed" those tanks on my team o7 Good luck with the grind

[@helmsgaming84]

The 45 is okay these days. Basically a Tiger that actually has armor that works some of the time.

[@Generacionsigma]

so liberte or patriot for free player?

[@mole3171]

What was that German T5, asking for a friend ;)

[@TheFusionElement]

i just got to the 65T, i gave up

[@kermitthefrog1176]

Start at t3? Nah. 2 years ago i made a bet with a friend who can grind a t10 in less games. I made smurf around christmas and choose stb 1. The first japanese tank i played was the chi-to. I got a t10 playing 136 battles on the line. Few years back thats the amount of games you needed to play to get up to t6 from scratch. Its actually sad how you can get a t10 tank in sub 150 games on a new acc. Even if i knew exactly what to do and how to do it

[@americanpatriot4227]

With lots of money you can - No WAY to grind the XP to Tier 10 in 150 games - unless your burning Boosters and Converting Gold all day long. ( Just add up the XP - to Tier 10 - NO Mods, No gear just straight line it ) You need to AVERAGE several thousand a game. CANT BE DONE - Without money - a LOT of it.

[@kermitthefrog1176]

@@americanpatriot4227 it can. Quite easily actually. For christmas you get a lot of xp and credit boost, register with an invite code that gives you gold, premium account from the invite code and christmas stuff, boosters, christmas x5 daily xp, i even used referral program but i dont think that gives xp. I also used the code wich gave me the chi-nu kai so i could train crew. Christmas gives you a free skilled crew, xp and cred boosts, use the code gold to skip low tier and stock grind. And it helps if you are a decent player. But trust me its actually quite easy to get a t10 in sub 200 games, if you know what you are doing. But here is my account, just count the games in the tanks preceeding stb. Csigaszemu. Mb it took actually 171 games. But i think i played a few after getting the next tank just for fun and i tried out some lower tier ones after. And i did this without spending a single cent on the game, so yeah its quite doable afterall.

[@kermitthefrog1176]

And keep in mind this wasnt actually thag optimal since i was still a mediocre player back then so a good one could achieve it even sooner

[@kermitthefrog1176]

@@americanpatriot4227 well you need aroun 804k xp to grind the stb1. Lets say on avg you get 700 base xp. Completely achievable amount. Now holiday has daily 5x, premium has the 5 xp multipliers, wich you can get if you use a sign up code, holiday usually gives varying amounts of 5x missions, slottable boosts on tiers, xp booster running, campaign giving you 5x missions, premium days or even free xp, blueprint fragments. Its actually quite easy to grind tanks, like really easy. If you are a veteran player you probably have enough to unlock all tanks on a tech tree so you only have to research modules, also everyone got gold from the free waffen boxes so you can exchange that for free xp aswell.

[@HypedPup]

@@americanpatriot4227you actually can lmao. It’s insane

[@dextervandendowe8329]

Max, dumb question here... I see your mouse is super accurate... what dpi do you recommend?

[@MaxGamingFPS]

Between 400-800 DPI is ually the sweet spot regarding aiming, and then adjusting the sensitivity accordingly. I have 800 DPI and have the sensitivity slider on 1 tick of the scroll wheel for sniper in game.

[@dextervandendowe8329]

@@MaxGamingFPS Thanks, just have to get use to the speed. I have a giant 32" monitor but it does wonders when coming to aiming.

[@HypedPup]

@@dextervandendowe8329I came from FPS games and I’ll be honest with you DPI doesn’t matter too much, I play with 1600 however I use up to 2100 sometimes but I’ve seen people with 400-600, it’s all about what your used to tbh

[@lano3466]

the real question is, is WoT worth it? spoiler alert: ITS NOT, STOP PLAYING IT I'm saying this as a wot veteran with thousands of hours and started in 2013 JUST DONT

[@fast_eddie3441]

I've been playing for a very long time. I dip in and out of the game but still enjoy it. Pixel's are very subjective things eh and you can't really tell someone what to do with their precious spare time

[@lano3466]

@@fast_eddie3441 fair enough, as long as you're a veteran but there's no way one should even try to start playing wot in 2024. the newbie experience is without a doubt very bad. all the seal clubbers and new premium tanks that are OP. just not worth it...

[@reptilespantoso]

I stopped at tier 9. F2P account so I'm losing credits like no one's business at tier 10 (even with a win, and no damage).

[@koszyk91]

in these line tier 5, 7 and 9 are the best

[@ElotusWoT]

I hate the replay system too!! most of the time its what puts me off doing videos too! oh you have a replay please download the whole game again and store it and then we will crash on you each time..

[@K_LeShaeya]

Amusing how quickly they nerfed it tbh... "Wait you guys are actually having fun with a forgotten tank?!?! "NERF IT, NERF NOW!!!"

[@geerliglecluse5297]

Just got myself the tier 10 AMX and I can only say that it's a big disappointment after the tier 9. This tank is not nearly as good as advertised by for example skill4ltu and other well known WoT community contributors. This review paints a more realistic picture of the tank, imo. The gun handling, both big and small gun, leaves much to desire and there are plenty other tier 10 heavies with better guns. The armour is kind of ok, as long long as enemies don't shoot gold.

[@abarth1000tcr]

I love this tank

[@abarth1000tcr]

Sorry I rly like this tank

[@stancanadmapleleaf]

premium one is still the only that can go 40km/h

[@dinismantas7265]

Tier 9 is quite good.

[@RaykonDien]

Can you do this for russian lt becuse its top of tree

[@mihaeltraychev9545]

i love AMX m4 54 , but even when it was buffed , was not OP dont know why ppl say it , it was very nice tank but same win rate as S.con and not even close to chiften and obj 279 this tanks got like 10% more win rate then everytank its insane ...

[@durachoks]

lol because there were players who could get close to 6k avarage damage in that tank, no other tank could do it, not even 279 or Chief

[@mihaeltraychev9545]

@@durachoks u talk about players above 8k rating who are like 1% of the game base player

[@adamantium2311]

a bit late because of top of tree buuuuut i'll take it nontheless

[@MaxGamingFPS]

I know, it was meant to be out a week ago at the latest but I had things to do.

[@adamantium2311]

@@MaxGamingFPS its ok mate, its good on and off TOT, like the hair style though you looking sharp

[@jariheimoluoto4959]

I dont see the point on the smaller gun on the tier 10, if i want smaller more accurate gun i will just play super conq. The big gun does require full gold spam sadly. As for the grind it is significantly better than super conq. The tanks up to tier 8 on the brits are uter pain. Only the tier 8 is really horrible on the french.

[@M45KY]

FRENCH BAGUETTE APPLY!

[@ИсмаилАбляев]

After nerf this is just piece pf shit 😂

[@alexanderstoyanov7464]

I enjoyed tier 5, 6 and 9 a looot. Tier 7 and 10 somewhat, tier 8....better skip with free xp 😅

[@Bagheera2]

That teir 9 was terrible. I've sold it several times

[@butterapplepie1260]

❤❤❤

[@BajGer12331]

no reason to play the tier 10 with the 120 when the tier 9 has it

[@Micks63]

I wish that I could have these games where they are parading in fron of my tank like this.

[@ekscalybur]

Fun Fact: Way back in the olden times when these French Heavies first released, that ARL 44 used to frequently see Maus and IS7s in it's games.

[@marcelcontin6505]

This was the 2nd nerf that made the game go to waste

[@fomalhaut9]

Noice

[@zograf4572]

So far this tank Is pure frustrarion...

[@18voltmofo]

despise 65T

[@djuraster]

I love this tank, but it`s very mediocre atm tbh

[@1989Falkor]

no it was nerfed too hard. sucks now

[@exitar1]

NO...

[@ScottGenX]

The game people are just dumb i feel. they should stop adjusting these tanks. it is pay to play after all.

[@ViniciusGabriel-xg7li]

Trash tank

[@pix00l]

M4 54 compared to many of the tier 10 HTs is imo pretty mediocre and if rated from C to S it definitely is only a a B-... If they were to buff the pen on both guns it would go up to B+