an A5 Putnam Exam integral for calc 2 students

  Рет қаралды 425,671

blackpenredpen

blackpenredpen

Күн бұрын

Integral of ln(x+1)/(x^2+1) from 0 to 1, this integral was on the Putnam exam back in 2005. We will use a trig substitution and some integral properties to take care of this problem!
This integral is also called the Serret's Integral. Subscribe to ‪@blackpenredpen‬ for more fun math videos.
Check out Mu Prime's video on the integral of ln(x^2+1)/(x+1) from 0 to 1, • It took me 3 hours to ...

Пікірлер: 702
@NadiehFan
@NadiehFan 2 жыл бұрын
Historical note: this integral was first discussed by Bertrand in 1843 in the Journal de mathématiques pures et appliquées. Bertrand used the technique which is now often incorrectly attributed to Feynman by American sources. In the next issue of the same journal Serret solved the integral in a single line, which is why it is also sometimes referred to as Serret's integral. Bertrand believed his technique was new, but in fact Euler had already discussed introducing an additional variable and differentiating under the integral sign in his 1775 paper Nova methodus quantitates integrales determinandi (E464 in the Eneström index). The title of his article indicates that Euler also believed the technique was new when he wrote his article. But Leibniz already used the technique in an appendix of a letter to Johann Bernoulli dated August 3rd 1697, so it is older than Euler and indeed it is therefore also known as the Leibniz integral rule. Clearly the technique dates back to the very beginnings of calculus as we know it, so there is no justification whatsoever to attribute this technique to Feynman. For the record, Feynman never claimed that he discovered the rule. He learned it from an old calculus text that his high school physics teacher had given him. *References* (replace every + with .) portail+mathdoc+fr/JMPA/PDF/JMPA_1843_1_8_A7_0.pdf portail+mathdoc+fr/JMPA/PDF/JMPA_1844_1_9_A41_0.pdf scholarlycommons+pacific+edu/cgi/viewcontent+cgi?article=1463&context=euler-works archive+org/details/leibnizensmathe00leibgoog/page/n458/mode/1up?view=theater hsm+stackexchange+com/questions/8132/why-is-differentiation-under-the-integral-sign-named-the-leibniz-rule en+wikipedia+org/wiki/Leibniz_integral_rule
@lazzy25803
@lazzy25803 4 жыл бұрын
4:02 It can be solved really easily if at this moment you apply King's Property and get Integration as ln( tan(π/4 - x) +1 ) which is equal to ln ( (1 - tanx)/(1+tanx) +1 ) = ln( 2/(1 + tanx) ) so we get I = Integral of ln(2) from 0 to π/4 - I hence 2I = ln(2)π/4
@ravikotadiya3403
@ravikotadiya3403 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah bro I also think this method 👍👍👍👍
@clevertech8342
@clevertech8342 2 жыл бұрын
Yes property 4 yeah bro true
@kushaankoul5775
@kushaankoul5775 11 ай бұрын
literally a standard integral atp pi/8 log 2
@marcopicione3432
@marcopicione3432 5 жыл бұрын
Warning!!! For your mental safety do not try integration by parts
@hamzahhussain6580
@hamzahhussain6580 5 жыл бұрын
Luckily this is not in A level Mathematics. Integration is easy in A level, the hardest it probably gets is repeated integration by parts
@TheJampt
@TheJampt 5 жыл бұрын
By parts it is not hard. Try integrate by parts twice and you get a syllogism 0=0.
@anymeskywalker5463
@anymeskywalker5463 5 жыл бұрын
I used and got the answer
@SuperSilver316
@SuperSilver316 4 жыл бұрын
yup it doesn't give you an answer in terms of known functions, no matter which way you take it. You part of the final answer on the first by parts, which gives an interesting result for another integral, but you wouldn't know that without doing the way he did it in the video.
@Jamie-ef9dl
@Jamie-ef9dl 4 жыл бұрын
TheJampt can you please explain how it’s done by parts cause I get massively stuck when I have two of the same integral and can’t just add it to both sides or smthn
@prydin
@prydin 6 жыл бұрын
I'm not in college, I rarely have to use integrals, yet I make sure not to miss a single episode of this channel. Excellent brain gymnastics. And if I'm ever stuck in a deep dark forest and need to integrate some obscure function it will become helpful! :)
@sergiokorochinsky49
@sergiokorochinsky49 6 жыл бұрын
Flam's parametric method is very elegant. BPRP trig substitution was clever and inspired. I just solved it by brute force, but got some interesting results worth sharing... First I replaced the whole integrand by its series expansion Log[x+1]/(1+x^2)= Sum[a_n x^n,{n,0,inf}] Then the integral is just Sum[a_n/(n+1) x^(n+1),{n,0,inf}] Common sense indicates that the series should be centered in 0 or 1, so half of the terms disappear, but the fastest convergent solution was with the series centered in 1/2, as the coefficients get divided by powers of 2. For the series centered in 0 (McLaurin) the convergence is extremely slow, as the coefficients converge to Log(2)/2 and pi/4 alternating signs. Curiously, the solution is the product of these 2 convergence points. Of course, all these trials only gave a numerical approximation. Then I tried to replace just the log for its series expansion, and integrate each term by doing long division. The integrals separate in 2 groups: log(2) and ArcTan(1), each one with a finite number of additional terms making a triangle. The funny thing is that both triangles complement each other, giving the series expansion for log(2)/2 and ArcTan(1), cancelling each other and giving the analytical solution!
@TheRedfire21
@TheRedfire21 6 жыл бұрын
Thats so clever, I tried finding an antiderivative but is just way too hard and not feasible if you are not a machine. sometimes I forget definite integrals are just like calculating areas and you can clearly see that the area of the cos(x) function and the cos(x-pi/4) is the same on the interval [0,pi/4]. thanks for the video!
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 жыл бұрын
My pleasure!
@hemantpandey7539
@hemantpandey7539 6 жыл бұрын
It works in general too! When integrating f(x) from a to b we can also integrate f(a+b-x) from a to b to get the same answer. It's kind of like calculating the area from the other side :P
@mike4ty4
@mike4ty4 6 жыл бұрын
The antiderivative can be solved with the de Jonquiere's function, also called the polylogarithm: Li_s(x) = sum_{n=1..inf} (x^n)/(n^s) which is simple generalization of the logarithmic Mercator series: -ln(1 - x) = sum_{n=1...inf} (x^n)/n. In particular, one should note that int Li_s(x)/x dx = Li_(s+1)(x) + C. One should become familiar with that there are a lot more different mathematical functions in the toolchest than just sin, cos, tan, exp, and log, especially now with computers and math libraries to calculate them readily at hand. I would suggest BlackPenRedPen illustrate this. sin/cos/tan/exp/log works fine for Intro Calc 1 and 2 but when you get on up to stuff like Complex Analysis or out into the real world, you'll want to have a lot more in your bag with you.
@pranavsingla5902
@pranavsingla5902 4 жыл бұрын
Learn integration then bruh...
@aashsyed1277
@aashsyed1277 3 жыл бұрын
@@blackpenredpen m6 0l3àß743¡ It's m6¡
@sebmata135
@sebmata135 6 жыл бұрын
This integral and the other Log integral by symmetry are amazing. You never fail to blow my mind BPRP!
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 жыл бұрын
sebmata thank you!!!!!
@u.v.s.5583
@u.v.s.5583 6 жыл бұрын
The whole solution is nothing short of miraculous, but once you wrote down the integral of log(cos(theta-pi/4)), the rest was completely trivial and waste of time. I mean, the limits are from zero to pi/4. You need no further explanation to cancel the log cos beasts.
@surajkulkarni565
@surajkulkarni565 5 жыл бұрын
Here is one more fantastic solution kzbin.info/www/bejne/q2SrpXZ-n8-GgNU
@Kyle_da_athlete
@Kyle_da_athlete 6 жыл бұрын
This was an absolutely gorgeous integral. I got up to splitting it into the 3 separate integrals but I didn't think of working it as area at once. I wanted to get an indefinite integral and them substitute. Thanks for opening my mind to this way of thinking
@FuhrerShattercore
@FuhrerShattercore 6 жыл бұрын
You solved what took my friends and me a day in 19 mins
@fourier07able
@fourier07able 5 жыл бұрын
This integral is not so easy .
@pi17
@pi17 4 жыл бұрын
I solved under 5 minutes lol.... We don't have so much time in exam
@abhinavtushar305
@abhinavtushar305 4 жыл бұрын
A day lol this took me only 30 seconds,just substitute x=tanx,and use the king's rule
@pi17
@pi17 4 жыл бұрын
@@abhinavtushar305 there's no king rule.... It's just a property........ Bansal sir used to call it that..... It's not an internationally used term.....
@abhinavtushar305
@abhinavtushar305 4 жыл бұрын
@@pi17 😅😅
@karangarg4631
@karangarg4631 6 жыл бұрын
I honestly did not see that coming, that was incredible
@Philgob
@Philgob 5 жыл бұрын
i mean... i understand it but i would never ever have came up with that on my own
@furiousfajitaa2367
@furiousfajitaa2367 4 жыл бұрын
That basically sums up all maths haha
@ivornworrell
@ivornworrell 4 жыл бұрын
*This Vietnamese brother knows his University Maths but @**03:35** when you wrote the limits of integration from 0-1 I was wondering "What the hell is he doing?" but when u corrected urself @**04:15** & I said "Ah yea, he's back on track, 0-pi/4 is correct" ! Good stuff.*
@shajiruby2346
@shajiruby2346 3 жыл бұрын
Very convoluted explanation. Using property of definite integral, the problem can be solved in less than a minute
@Arthur0000100
@Arthur0000100 6 жыл бұрын
I solved this exact integral just the day before yesterday! Noticing the tan^2(x)+1=sec^2(x) for tangents is half the work. Keep up the good work!
@souleater9189
@souleater9189 6 жыл бұрын
whoa whoa whoa... i thought this was black pen red pen, not black pen red pen blue pen!!
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 жыл бұрын
hehehehe
@thecation839
@thecation839 6 жыл бұрын
lol
@lordkitsune2713
@lordkitsune2713 6 жыл бұрын
It's known as the Serret’s integral for some people who are still wondering.
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 жыл бұрын
Oh nice!! I didn't know about this.
@Saki630
@Saki630 5 жыл бұрын
I dont know how I was recommended this video considering I have probably 70% of my subscribed channels never being recommended to me..... This is a good video for students learning calculus.
@Rangertom6
@Rangertom6 6 жыл бұрын
There is actually a very lovely way of doing differentiating under the integral sign for this integral as well! if you let I(a) = integral of (ln(ax+1)/(x^2+1)) dx you can also get the answer!
@djsmeguk
@djsmeguk 6 жыл бұрын
this I would love to see!
@ishaangupta2185
@ishaangupta2185 6 ай бұрын
This is how I originally solved the integral - Feynman's technique! I was curious to see how it could be solved using only calculus 2 techniques.
@tfg601
@tfg601 2 ай бұрын
@@ishaangupta2185 Hmm I did Feynman's technique up to a certain point and I couldn't figure it out after I differentiated I tried usub and it didn't work, could you please explaiin how you did it? Thanks if you do
@ishaangupta2185
@ishaangupta2185 2 ай бұрын
@@tfg601 It was months ago but if I remember correctly, it was to set P(t) = integral of ln(1 + tx) / (x^2 + 1). Then differentiate and solve like normal.
@tfg601
@tfg601 2 ай бұрын
@@ishaangupta2185 Bro I differentiated with respect to t and even check on wolfram alpha that is not integrable with respect to x
@mrjnutube
@mrjnutube 6 жыл бұрын
Never ceases to amaze me. Awesome...
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!!!
@vector2817
@vector2817 6 жыл бұрын
The first substitution was really clever, I like how you could then solve the rest of the integral using the knowledge from previous integrals ;)
@injanju
@injanju 6 жыл бұрын
Can you please do another Putnam integral, the integral of dx/(1+(tan x)^sqrt2) from 0 to pi/2 ? I'm really amazed at how you come up with these clever solutions, really mind blowing!
@hamiltonianpathondodecahed5236
@hamiltonianpathondodecahed5236 5 жыл бұрын
Wolfram alpha
@sarangisdon
@sarangisdon 5 жыл бұрын
Apply King's identity for definite integration
@pranavsingla5902
@pranavsingla5902 4 жыл бұрын
Use that the integral remains same by putting x as (pi/2 - x) and add both of them. The numerator and denominator cancel out....the answer is pi/4.☺☺
@Zaytoven21
@Zaytoven21 6 жыл бұрын
Very Niceeeeee i think i would like to see more of these Math competition problems , as this had a very satisfying way of solving it .
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks!!!!
@YASSIRMESSIooo
@YASSIRMESSIooo 5 жыл бұрын
ؤ
@amanmahendroo1784
@amanmahendroo1784 6 жыл бұрын
who else thinks this is a little too easy for Putnam?
@debdhritiroy6868
@debdhritiroy6868 6 жыл бұрын
yeah man, I already did this in school... So way tooooo eady for Putnam... But, if true, I can maybe then get rid of my fear of Putnam
@saikat93ify
@saikat93ify 6 жыл бұрын
I think, it's become a famous question after it was asked in Putnam. But at the time, it might have been a very new question. But yes, it is indeed very easy for Putnam.
@gurkirat2001
@gurkirat2001 6 жыл бұрын
Yes A easy one
@chandrabhan7212
@chandrabhan7212 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, easy because it's the "standard" question when you're introducing students to Leibniz rule. Quite sure back then it would've stumped most of us (it's Putnam after all).
@osamafawzy4164
@osamafawzy4164 5 жыл бұрын
@@chandrabhan7212 jþt
@Anas-nu7io
@Anas-nu7io 6 жыл бұрын
Great video! I love these interesting integrals. Keep uploading my friend!
@adonaythegreat8426
@adonaythegreat8426 4 жыл бұрын
All your works are clear and easy to undestand. Good on you.
@HasXXXInCrocs
@HasXXXInCrocs 5 жыл бұрын
If I hadn't seen this video and this we're on a test I'd probably drop that class lmao. Amazing work, crazy how powerful substitution is. Hope I can apply this knowledge one day!
@jihanhamdan5465
@jihanhamdan5465 6 жыл бұрын
Had two awesome ways to solve it, thanks to u and to flammable math
@maximedelboo9021
@maximedelboo9021 6 жыл бұрын
Happy to see some really hard integrals returning, they had been gone for a while... please do more putnam!
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I will try.
@sergiokorochinsky49
@sergiokorochinsky49 6 жыл бұрын
Integrating by parts, it's very easy to prove that the integral between 0 and 1 of ArcTan[x]/(1+x) it's also pi/8*Log[2]
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 жыл бұрын
Sergio Korochinsky it's very easy
@sergiokorochinsky49
@sergiokorochinsky49 6 жыл бұрын
two integrals for the price of one...
@kne-si5zj
@kne-si5zj 3 жыл бұрын
how would you prove that
@sergiokorochinsky49
@sergiokorochinsky49 3 жыл бұрын
@@kne-si5zj ...just integrate by parts. dv = 1/(1+x) then v = Ln[1+x] u = ArcTan[x] then du = 1/(1+x^2) u v = ArcTan[x] Ln[1+x] (between 0 and 1) = pi/4*Log[2] and the integral of v du is solved in the video... pi/8*Log[2].
@rahul7090
@rahul7090 6 жыл бұрын
There's much easier way to do this. After you reached I=integral of log(1+tanx)dx with limits 0 to pie/4. Let's call it first equation.I then straight way used f(a)=f(a-x) property. Then I =(2/1+tanx)dx with limits 0 to pie /4. We call it second equation. Adding I) and ii), we get 2I=Integral of (log 2)dx with limits 0 to pie/4. Since log 2 is constant , we take that out of integral and bring 2 from LHS to RHS. Then I=1/2* log2 integral of xdx with limits 0 to pie/4 and we get same answer.
@isaquepim4555
@isaquepim4555 6 жыл бұрын
I'm in school vacation here in my country(Brazil), and I should have been resting, but I just can't stop watching these integral videos. Nice job BPRP 😁
@fourier07able
@fourier07able 5 жыл бұрын
What an ingenious tricks! Firstly the change of variable x = tanθ , secondlysinθ + cos θ = √ (2) cos( θ - π/4), thirdly making use of cosine is even, i.e. cos (- Ø ) = cos (Ø ), plus other minor tricks. Impressive! This integral is one hardest out of integrals solved on terms of elementary functions I ever seen.
@hemaharish
@hemaharish 4 жыл бұрын
There is another easy way to solve this. After the theta substitution once we get the integral as integral from 0 to pi/4 ln(1+tanx) dx (using x for theta), we can use a property of definite integral that integral 0 to a f(x)dx is the same as integral 0 to a f(a-x)dx. So the 0 to pi/4 ln(1+tanx) (let us call it capital I), is the same as 0 to pi/4 ln(1+tan(pi/4 -x)). If you use the trigonometric formula for tan(pi/4 - x) and simplify the integral becomes integral 0 to pi/4 ln(2/(1+tanx)) which is integral 0 to pi/4 ln2 - 0 to pi/4 ln(1+tanx). This means I = 0 to pi/4 ln2 - I, means 2I = Integral of 0 to pi/4 ln2 means I = pi/8 times ln2.
@anesumurwira8453
@anesumurwira8453 5 жыл бұрын
You are a real teacher, I like it. Thanks a lot, it helped me preparing for my final G17 exam.
@rubikscuber1114
@rubikscuber1114 4 жыл бұрын
Ohh my god this question came in my today's exam.The exact same question THANK YOU SIR!
@suryatallavarjula3184
@suryatallavarjula3184 3 жыл бұрын
What kind of exam?
@gatoradeee
@gatoradeee 6 жыл бұрын
Beautiful and elegant. More putnam problems please.
@Byt3me21
@Byt3me21 6 жыл бұрын
A graph would have been icing on the cake. Thank you.
@donmoore7785
@donmoore7785 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome. That trig identity for sin theta + cos theta rings a very faint bell. Well done.
@sergioh5515
@sergioh5515 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome integral!
@qiaozhou9296
@qiaozhou9296 4 жыл бұрын
Thank u for your patience with each little step!!!!!
@AdityaKumar-gv4dj
@AdityaKumar-gv4dj 2 ай бұрын
4:00 you could have used King's Rule at this step, ln(1+tan theta) will get cancelled after adding I's to get a 2I. We get 2I= pi/4 ln2. Therefore, I=pi/8 ln2
@a5hen
@a5hen 6 жыл бұрын
when we get integral of ln(tan theta +1),we can simply use the definite integral property of f(x)=f(a-x) when f(x) is integrated from 0 to a.We then get ln(1+tan(45-theta)).After expanding tan(45-theta) and simplifying the expression inside the integral,we are just left with ln(2).So this could be done in a much simpler way. Anway,great video.
@ashuprakash6266
@ashuprakash6266 5 жыл бұрын
A video to make people feel good about Putnam exam. This is like ABC of what's asked in their
@n0ita
@n0ita 6 жыл бұрын
THAT'S GENIUS !!!! In the final part i had a mindblow.
@jeremybuchanan4759
@jeremybuchanan4759 6 жыл бұрын
Very nice - I thought there was no hope I would understand as you started the second substitution but I made it through!
@oguzhanyesildemir5119
@oguzhanyesildemir5119 4 жыл бұрын
Man this was good thanks . I have been trying to solve this integral for hours .
@oratval
@oratval 5 жыл бұрын
at the beginning of the year I was taking calc because I had to. Now I'm spending my free time watching videos of people solving calc
@sriniramiah6445
@sriniramiah6445 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Blackpenredpen, Thanks for the great math videos. I think this problem seems too easy for putnam. Your solution is very nice . You can also do it as: STEP 1: Let I = Lmt 0 .. 1 Integral Ln (1+x)/(1+x^2). STEP 2: Let x = tan a. So I = Lmt 0 ... pi/4 Integral Ln (1 + tan a) da. STEP 3: This can also be written as: I = Lmt 0 ... pi/4 Integral Ln (1 + tan (pi/4-a)) da. STEP 4: which simplifies to: I = Lmt 0..pi/4 Integral Ln ( 1 + ( 1 - tan a) / (1 + tan a) ) da. STEP 5: I = Lmt 0 .. pi/4 Integral Ln ( 2 /( 1 + tan a ) ) da. STEP 6: I ={ Lmt 0 .. pi/4 Integral Ln(2) da} - { Lmt 0 .. pi/4 Integral Ln(1 + tan a) da } (the second part is just the same integral I, in STEP 2 above) STEP 7: so we get, I = Lmt 0..pi/4 Integral Ln(2) da - I STEP 8: Move the I to the left side and applying the limits on the right side we get: 2I = pi/4 * Ln2. STEP 8: ==> I = pi/8 * Ln2.
@sss-ol3dl
@sss-ol3dl 6 жыл бұрын
nice! i managed to do it by differentiation under the integral with ln(ax+1)/(x^2+1)
@hansenchen1
@hansenchen1 6 жыл бұрын
Very nice!
@algorithmvideos
@algorithmvideos 6 жыл бұрын
Please provide me the solution if u can by your method
@heartpirates245
@heartpirates245 5 жыл бұрын
I was gonna say, I wonder if this is possible with Feynmans technique, looks like it is
@cpotisch
@cpotisch 3 жыл бұрын
@@algorithmvideos Two years late, but the process is: partial differentiate, do partial fractions, integrate in the x world, integrate in the b (parameter) world, eliminate the constant by evaluating at I(b=0), then relate the value of I(b=1) to itself and solve.
@algorithmvideos
@algorithmvideos 3 жыл бұрын
@@cpotisch thanks for the same.. U took your time..😁😁
@luohuo2001
@luohuo2001 5 жыл бұрын
He makes calculus so easy, if only he was actually my home tutor
@reaper3.097
@reaper3.097 3 жыл бұрын
our* home tutor
@rashmigupta6227
@rashmigupta6227 4 жыл бұрын
Simple: Do the substitution x=Tan§ And then after obtaining the expression just use King rule and just add both , and we have achieved our goal
@qedmath1729
@qedmath1729 4 жыл бұрын
For those who don't know the king's rule, it states that If you have an integral with bounds a and b f(x)dx its the same as integral bounds a and b f(a+b-x)dx.
@DragonLoad49
@DragonLoad49 6 жыл бұрын
You are awesome, and that is a cool mic! Thank you for the practice!
@messinios97
@messinios97 6 жыл бұрын
Happy new year BlackpenRedpen. That was really nice integral, it was awesome!!! Greetings from Greece!
@tomatrix7525
@tomatrix7525 4 жыл бұрын
Aha what a legend! How do you actually think so cleverly? When I watch this it makes sense but its so clever man!!! Keep it up I marvel at your work!
@AndDiracisHisProphet
@AndDiracisHisProphet 6 жыл бұрын
Ok, because it's the new year and you did a great job (as always) extra for you I unsubscribe, so that I can subscribe again
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 жыл бұрын
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Thank you. I wish all my subscribers can do the same for me! = DDDDDD
@ivornworrell
@ivornworrell 4 жыл бұрын
AndD whats the point of subtracting then adding back the same quantity since the original quantity will remain unaltered? well thats exactly what ur doing here AndD, by unsub. then subscriging again!
@felipealonso7859
@felipealonso7859 4 жыл бұрын
@@ivornworrell Obvious. It's like that integral you have to add 1 and then subtract 1 and you get a nicer little integral...
@YogeshKumar-rf5ys
@YogeshKumar-rf5ys 6 жыл бұрын
You can use king's property for solving integral of ln(tanx +1) from 0 to pie/4
@colinpountney333
@colinpountney333 6 жыл бұрын
Another approach is to expand ln(1 + tan(theta)) as a power series and integrate term by term. You end up having to combine two infinite triangular arrays but there is a neat trick and the answer drops out easily once you spot it. You need to use the identities 1-1/2+1/3-1/4+......= ln(2) and 1-1/3+1/5-1/7...= pi/4.
@MiroslavMakaveli
@MiroslavMakaveli 6 жыл бұрын
Very motivating integral. Thanks a lot.
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 жыл бұрын
Miroslav Dimitrov my pleasure!!
@zeldasama
@zeldasama 6 жыл бұрын
You always have a tendency to talk fast. You clearly love doing math, and I love that, keep up the good work.
@crancowan8020
@crancowan8020 3 жыл бұрын
Pretty cool. I did it another way by starting off with u = tan^-1 (x). The integral(s) then become easy to solve using the power series for ln(1+x). You just get an infinite amount of them which when displayed in matrix form (at x = 1) you can see that the result comes down to -2\ln\big(\cos \frac{\pi}{4} \big) +\ln\big(\cos \frac{\pi}{4} \big) = \frac{\pi}{8} \ln 2
@mrniemathschannel
@mrniemathschannel 5 жыл бұрын
This trig substitution approach is veryinteresting. However,if u=arctan(x) and v = ln(x+1) are recognized, then it immediately follows that the antidrivative is arctan(x)ln(x+1) - ∫1/((x+1)(x^2+1))dx. The second integral can be calculated using partial fractions.
@jeffreyh.1436
@jeffreyh.1436 4 жыл бұрын
hmm this Putnam problem seems strangely similar to SMT 2019 Calc #10... that being said, here is another (cleaner imo) way based on the SMT solution substitute u=x+1 to get int_1^2 ln u/(u^2-2u+2) du we want similar integral with same bounds, so we substitute v=2/u to get that I=int_1^2 (ln 2-ln v)/(v^2-2v+2) dv adding the two gives 2I=int_1^2 ln 2/(w^2-2w+2) dw trig sub gives the desired pi/8*ln 2
@todayscalm
@todayscalm 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! I am a big fan of yours. That's it!! ^^
@EAtheatreguy
@EAtheatreguy 3 жыл бұрын
I did this with Feynman's technique, I(b) = int [0,1] (ln(bx+1)/(x^2+1))dx, but it only worked because the endpoints were the same as the parameters you need to take the integral to 0 and to equal the original integral.
@user-wx8bm1pg1d
@user-wx8bm1pg1d 2 жыл бұрын
I was just about to give up until I saw this comment and finally noticed the thing about the endpoints
@jeffreyluciana8711
@jeffreyluciana8711 4 жыл бұрын
Whoever was the first person to figure that out should get a star for their forehead
@jjwesker1061
@jjwesker1061 4 жыл бұрын
Well... this IS a potential AP Calculus Question (I take AB). I’m glad I found you because I can keep my Calculus strong during Spring Break! Now I will just see more videos to know how to do harder integrals.
@adhirachannel1148
@adhirachannel1148 5 жыл бұрын
When u bring integral in thetha world i.e. integral ln( 1 + tan(theta)) then use kings property n get answer in half a minute
@aaishikdas
@aaishikdas 4 жыл бұрын
Good idea bro😯😯....that's great🙂🙂
@ismaelcastillo188
@ismaelcastillo188 Жыл бұрын
I used Leibniz rule introducing ln(tx+1) and it worked marvelously
@kshitijgaur9635
@kshitijgaur9635 6 жыл бұрын
very nice, soon you'll have 100K subscribers. Great job!
@lunstee
@lunstee 5 жыл бұрын
My solution was largely the same as yours, but was a little cleaner in two ways. First, when seeing tan(t)+1, my immediate reaction was to substitute 1=tan(pi/4) so that all terms take similar form which facilities combining them. It's easy to show tan(a)+tan(b)=sin(a+b)/cos(a)/cos(b), and using this, the integrand becomes simply ln(sin(t+pi/4))-ln(cos(t))-ln(cos(pi/4)) Which is essentially what you work with on the right side of the board, but written in terms of the sin rather than your cos. You make the equivalent substitution at the bottom left where you juggle with fitting A and alpha=pi/4, but identifying this alpha earlier lets the A take care of itself. From this point, rather than working algebraically, it's easier to look at the first two terms graphically. Just plot sin(u) and shade in the area from pi/4 to pi/2 - this is the range of sin considered in the first interval. Similarly, if you plot cos(u) and shade in from 0 to pi/4, you'll notice the shaded area is simply the mirror image of that from the sin. Taking ln(..) of these is just identical vertical distortions of both, giving again identical areas. Hence the first two integrals cancel each other. This leaves just the constant term which if we multiply by the pi/4 interval gives the final result.
@prollysine
@prollysine Жыл бұрын
Hi bprp, wonderful number game with angle functions...
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen Жыл бұрын
Thank you 👍
@thegreencan1286
@thegreencan1286 5 ай бұрын
I feel like very few people would looks at this problem and try to apply high school methods - the integrand very clearly doesn’t have an elementary antiderivative. But somehow this method works!
@veled806
@veled806 Жыл бұрын
you can also solve this problem with x=arctanu substitution and then applying king's property, adding the two integrals you got before and you get the same answer.
@animeepisode9280
@animeepisode9280 4 жыл бұрын
Man I solved it in 1min it boosted my confidence man. Now I would focus on physics portion for my exam.
@deepambanerjee5594
@deepambanerjee5594 6 жыл бұрын
It will become easier if you apply Kings rule in log(1+tan theta)
@verainsardana
@verainsardana 5 жыл бұрын
yes i was about to comment that
@gaunterodimm7219
@gaunterodimm7219 5 жыл бұрын
yeah we do that in our +2
@SumitSharma-wf5xb
@SumitSharma-wf5xb 5 жыл бұрын
Sahi khel gaye😀😀😀
@srujaniam9762
@srujaniam9762 5 жыл бұрын
Sir the integration process was very motivating and I thank you a lot for bringing forward such a good question. Sir but I have a doubt regarding the solving process of the question ,why can't we just use the formula integral from a to b f(x) = Integral from a to b f(a+b-x), when we just got the term ln(1+tanx) in the process. It was just take a couple of steps to completely solve it . As I have mentioned earlier I only have a doubt whether my process is correct or wrong
@adhirachannel1148
@adhirachannel1148 5 жыл бұрын
U r correct
@srujaniam9762
@srujaniam9762 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks my friend
@aayushpatel6554
@aayushpatel6554 3 жыл бұрын
Sir we had I=integral(from x=0 to x=pi/4) of ln(tanx+1) You could just have used the property of replacing x by a+b-x. And It would be solved in literally 3 lines.
@anticorncob6
@anticorncob6 6 жыл бұрын
Do 2017 Putnam A3! I was able to prove that it approaches infinity but not that it is strictly increasing.
@user-vm6qx2tu3j
@user-vm6qx2tu3j 6 жыл бұрын
Math is love, math is life🙌
@derek3719
@derek3719 6 жыл бұрын
how did you get sin(theta)+cos(theta)=Acos(theta)+alpha? is it a trig identity? I think you reference a previous video. What video link is it under? Enjoying the challenging integrals. Thank you :)
@Supernova799
@Supernova799 4 жыл бұрын
It is a beautiful integral
@thel0negh0st
@thel0negh0st 4 жыл бұрын
another method is by writing the integral again substituting theta in ln(1+tan{theta}) as (pi/4-{theta}) Then by adding both integrals you can reach to the same answer in next two/three steps.
@3kelvinhong
@3kelvinhong 6 жыл бұрын
This can be solved by using differentiation under the integral sign, but I think it is a bit complicated. A method from my friend is, let x=(1-t)/(1+t) only then you can get the answer by just also solving integral of 1/(1+x²) which is related to arctan.
@byounger9171
@byounger9171 6 жыл бұрын
Currently watching as an AP Calc 1 student in highschool and let’s just say I’m scared for my life after seeing all of this
@sergeirachmaninoff6397
@sergeirachmaninoff6397 3 жыл бұрын
This is as hard as it gets. My college wouldn't have this on a test bc that trick in the 5th line with the sum of sin and cos of theta is considered just pointless memorization for them. But there's a probability that you'll find something like this in college, but it isn't likely that this type of problem appears on your hs tests
@sardarbekomurbekov1030
@sardarbekomurbekov1030 5 жыл бұрын
Interesting integral and interesting solution.
@ayoubelgoubi9691
@ayoubelgoubi9691 6 жыл бұрын
Dude, could you have made this any more complicated, I screamed multiple throughout the proof! Thanks for the vids BTW.
@svk2542
@svk2542 5 жыл бұрын
It can be done very easily by using properties of definite integral
@wasiqmk
@wasiqmk 3 жыл бұрын
It's is "Serrets integral" Tan substitution And properties of integral will help you crack this integral π/8log(2)
@juno7424
@juno7424 4 жыл бұрын
This is great! I’ve only take AP Calculus AB before and wanted to see how much I’d get (obviously barely anything), I’m taking calc 2 freshman year in university and wanted to make myself less scared
@drvinson8947
@drvinson8947 6 жыл бұрын
I got the answer in less than 60 secs. ...... I skipped to the end of the video. 😂😂😂😂😜😜
@chimanlaljindal3978
@chimanlaljindal3978 6 жыл бұрын
it can be solved orallyin a few seconds
@gopinathmukherjee1906
@gopinathmukherjee1906 6 жыл бұрын
chimanlal jindal how??
@surajkulkarni565
@surajkulkarni565 5 жыл бұрын
See this if u want beautiful solution to this problem: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q2SrpXZ-n8-GgNU
@valdemardomingos1275
@valdemardomingos1275 5 жыл бұрын
Just jumping to the end of the video...
@asusmctablet9180
@asusmctablet9180 5 жыл бұрын
After cancelling secants, I just set tan⊙ back to x. Got the same answer.
@mihaiciorobitca5287
@mihaiciorobitca5287 6 жыл бұрын
Ooo !what elegant is bprp and also his equation !
@punyagupta3071
@punyagupta3071 5 жыл бұрын
We don't need polar form. After ln (tan theta + 1) we can use king rule which gives ln (2/1+tan theta) Finally we get 2I = integration of ln 2 going from 0 to pie/4
@nuduw
@nuduw 5 жыл бұрын
I wrote my intermediate second year(='class 12' as known in many other countries) board examination mathematics paper-II today. I saw this video yesterday. In the exam we were asked to compute the integral of ln(1+tanx) w.r.t. x from 0 to pi/4 ( which is exactly the same question!!). But, I solved it differently by using this property: integral of f(x) dx from a to b = integral of f(a+b-x) dx ("King's property" as it is popularly called)
@pragati9821
@pragati9821 4 жыл бұрын
Yes this ques is in Rd Sharma also
@RameshChandra-uh5rw
@RameshChandra-uh5rw 6 жыл бұрын
Could we also substitute (theta)=pi/4 - x and then break it into (1- tanx)/(1+tanx). It'll become ln2- ln(1+tanx)... I could be wrong but i think it gives the soln.
@RameshChandra-uh5rw
@RameshChandra-uh5rw 6 жыл бұрын
It'd be really great if someone could tell me if I'm right or not
@rahul7090
@rahul7090 6 жыл бұрын
That's how I did question.
@SathvikIyengar
@SathvikIyengar 6 жыл бұрын
That's right, it becomes a pi/4*ln2 equals twice the integral of the ln(tan(theta)+1) term, giving the same answer.
@eshward8448
@eshward8448 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, what Ramesh Chandra suggests is a much easier method. Using the Property of definite integrals, it becomes int. of ln{1+tan(pi/4-theta), which , on simplification, becomes ln(2/(1+tan theta) , from which, we get I=pi/8.ln2
@Hexanitrobenzene
@Hexanitrobenzene 6 жыл бұрын
@blackpenredpen What method do you call "U substitution" ? I thought you refer to change of variable, but you do change of variable here ... Edit: I see that you distinguish two types of substitutions, one obvious and one not so obvious. Hm, useful nomenclature :)
@mathematicsmi
@mathematicsmi 4 жыл бұрын
Nice evaluation..
@petegentles4211
@petegentles4211 5 жыл бұрын
your videos are addictive.
@stevenlin6106
@stevenlin6106 5 жыл бұрын
Great. It is really helpful. Wonder you could also do another version based on complex analysis.
@johnniegilkerson4724
@johnniegilkerson4724 6 жыл бұрын
@ 19:19, where did you get that trig idenity? I searched the web and could not find it.
@john-athancrow4169
@john-athancrow4169 6 жыл бұрын
Like right triangle with sides a, b, c and a²+b²=c² (Pythagoras' Theorem)
National Taiwan University graduate school entrance exam problem
9:42
Supreme Integral with Feynman's Trick
17:53
blackpenredpen
Рет қаралды 211 М.
pumpkins #shorts
00:39
Mr DegrEE
Рет қаралды 108 МЛН
My Daughter's Dumplings Are Filled With Coins #funny #cute #comedy
00:18
Funny daughter's daily life
Рет қаралды 30 МЛН
Un coup venu de l’espace 😂😂😂
00:19
Nicocapone
Рет қаралды 10 МЛН
Putnam Exam | 2010: A2
6:03
Michael Penn
Рет қаралды 133 М.
This Problem is Smooth like Butter
4:50
BriTheMathGuy
Рет қаралды 130 М.
Top 4 integration mistakes!
11:58
bprp calculus basics
Рет қаралды 93 М.
a RARE mistake from Euler (AIME 1989)
14:33
blackpenredpen
Рет қаралды 157 М.
Berkeley Math Tournament calculus tiebreaker
14:24
blackpenredpen
Рет қаралды 96 М.
Calculus teacher vs L'Hopital's rule students
13:21
blackpenredpen
Рет қаралды 93 М.
Gaussian Integral [Int{e^-x^2} from -inf to inf]
14:03
Prime Newtons
Рет қаралды 16 М.
The hardest problem on the hardest test
11:15
3Blue1Brown
Рет қаралды 15 МЛН
The Integral of your Dreams (or Nightmares)
8:41
BriTheMathGuy
Рет қаралды 427 М.
pumpkins #shorts
00:39
Mr DegrEE
Рет қаралды 108 МЛН