An All-NBA Check-in With Ryen Russillo | The Bill Simmons Podcast

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Ryen Russillo to check in on the All-NBA teams with a week remaining in the season. They debate whether Kevin Durant should make the first team, whether LeBron James should be on the third team, and more.
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[@jamesloftus1401]

Another example of the historical positional picking: 1993-1994 season Patrick Ewing was 5th in MVP voting and didn’t make any All-NBA team (Top 4 in voting was Hakeem, Robinson, Pippen, and Shaq).

[@Shortballa11]

Mans went to the archives for this one

[@oogod586]

i mean cp3 was 5th last yr in voting and he didnt make 1st team he got 2nd team

[@rods7028]

That's crazy

[@Shortballa11]

@Jim Brave Dirk was a legit PF. They always put a center with him. KG very similar. But Duncan the most controversial lol

[@sonnyyang5167]

@@Shortballa11 Duncan has Rasho for a few years. I can’t recall other years. For KG and Dirk, they definitely had a C start alongside them.

[@gmm8034]

Personally, I got: First Team: Luka, Booker, Tatum, Giannis, Jokic Second Team: Curry, Ja, KD, Bron and Joel Third Team: Trae, Mitchell, DeMar, Pascal, KAT

[@jamesmiller5331]

I agree with that

[@libertariansasquatch]

Mitchell’s stats are total trash

[@tdup191]

I'd move Demar to 2nd team in Bron spot then Jimmy Butler in Demar spot on 3rd team. Bron don't deserve an All NBA spot when he doesn't play D and team won't make play in. I'd also replace either Trae or Mitchell with CP3 on 3rd team

[@tedlemoine5587]

Trae has been better than Curry and played more games

[@AndrewWright1998]

I’d probably agree with that. I’d flip Bron and Demar. Maybe have a few other nitpicks (like Butler in over Siakam since Miami is #1 seed, Jokic and Embiid could flip flop either way both are incredible). Overall though pretty accurate

[@BabylonGateLA]

I freaking love the chemistry that Ryen and Bill have 😂😂 just those subtle remarks like at 11:02 are the best thing of these two together!

[@georgepappas6746]

2014 Blake Griffin was one of the greatest point forwards Ive ever seen. Bully ball mixed with guard like handles and freak athleticism, and his jumper was starting to come on. It was a beautiful sight.

[@coopertodd28]

Underrated historically

[@Chronz]

I was beginning to see the Charles Barkley comparisons, sucks what happened to his knees

[@JustAguy25548]

@@Chronz nah he was more of a new Shawn kemp

[@Chronz]

@@JustAguy25548 nah, that was more Amare. Blake had the playmaking/passing skills like Chuck . Blake could've been like a cross between K. Malone and Chuck. I saw all of Blake's career, when we first got cp3 I was hoping he could be like kemp and amare but he didn't have their tunnel vision for scoring, he liked to survey the floor. It made for an awkward pairing but it was still great to watch

[@JustAguy25548]

@@Chronz blake was legit 4 inches taller than Barkley … and his movements and athleticism was more like kemp . Amare was stiff , he had power but wasn’t tht type of leaper. Blake was also nothing like Malone lol u obviously don’t watch a lot of basketball lol

[@yonisbadar2129]

If the raptors took the 5 seed from the bulls to end the season, I would out siakam in the all NBA third team

[@Mo13uckets]

He says that Lebron can’t get third team b/c of his record but also has Trae Young on All-NBA while he’s in the play-in??

[@timothybond4242]

Yeah bills bron hate is historically bad lmao

[@kobischpiek8520]

@@timothybond4242 trae is above 500

[@adonstudiosofficial]

Trae is on the 8th seed and they’re 41-37 lol not ducking 30-45

[@Mo13uckets]

@@adonstudiosofficial yeah but ppl have to be consistent in these takes. He can’t act like the record matters when he talks about LeBron but then look past it at the same time when he talked about having Trae over Steph for second team.

[@yvans.]

Actually that’s not a bad take. Trae and the Hawks are the 8th seed and above .500 + Young baldie has great stats with it 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@ryankayombya7576]

How can you make the case you made for Durant 1st team but then say Lebron shouldnt be 3rd Team...? Glad Ryen called him out

[@hoppy23]

Kd better then bron at this point its not hard to see all nba is the best players not the best season, mvp is narrative very 1st team nba should be just best player period

[@juju-vl7oj]

Bill won't admit it, but he's definitely biased towards KD vs LeBron. He says that when KD joined Golden State that the teams were even with LeBron. LeBron was getting guarded by Draymond, Iggy and Klay and splash brothers drew more off ball attention than Durant. Durant clearly is better now though, just saying.

[@tdup191]

@@juju-vl7oj Lol Warriors and Cavs were even prior to Kyrie leaving. Ppl forget Cavs were 12-1 heading into 17 Finals and many ppl picked them to win especially when Cavs won the Christmas day match-up. Add in fact during Finals Kyrie outscored Steph and Love/JR equalled Klay/Draymond ppg and it wasn't the mismatch it was made out to be afterwards just KD outplayed Bron in the clutch 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@skywalker2759]

BEING ON THE ALL NBA TEAM IS ABOUT INDIVIDUAL STATS BRO I agree

[@Howdidhenotseeme]

@@hoppy23 All-NBA isn’t a player ranking. That’s why it’s done by looking at individual seasons in a vacuum.

[@CoolTy23]

1st Team: Luka, Booker, Tatum, Giannis, Jokic 2nd Team: Trae, Morant, Derozan, Durant, Embiid 3rd Team: Curry, Mitchell, Lebron, Siakam, Towns

[@stevenzemaitis1513]

Edit: let's pretend I can read and didn't type this mitchell over demar is kinda crazy,demar is averaging 28/5/5 on far better efficiency (50/35). mitchell is getting 26/5/5 on 45/35. I love spida but Demar played too well this year to not make an all NBA team. edit: he even broke a freakin Wilt record for most 35+ games over 50%, he was an absolute monster this year even though the bulls have been missing critical rotation players almost every game

[@brewer921]

@@stevenzemaitis1513 He has DeMar on second team. He is a forward.

[@CrisKRA]

@@stevenzemaitis1513 ????? Bro do you even know how to read?

[@victoooriaful]

Curry doesnt deserve 3rd team all nba this year. Cp3 is 3rd team

[@hub3rty]

CP3 is making all NBA this year. Assist leader and consistently has been top 3 in steals. Also has bettter advanced stats than Booker

[@jacobweinberg5481]

You'd think Bill had more muscle considering how much time he spends pushing his goalposts for LeBron.

[@jayray212]

1st - Luka, book, giannis, Tatum, joker 2nd - ja, cp3, demar, kd, embiid 3rd - trae,Steph, Bron, siakam, Kat

[@wadevictory9058]

Swap Curry n Cp3, no Spida? 😅

[@jayray212]

@@wadevictory9058 fair think cp3 and Steph is close. Spida in for who?

[@charleskummerer]

Bron in place of the best player on the one seed in the East best player in Butler is wild.

[@coreyhiggins6890]

@@wadevictory9058 Spida has regressed imo same ole average jazz

[@Nick-sr4fe]

@@wadevictory9058 no he had been bad this season compared to other guards. Jazz been giving up too many leads under his watch

[@rsmith524]

On Steph vs Trae: 1. When Steph got injured, the Warriors were sitting in 2nd place in the Western Conference. 2. Defense matters; Steph has been well above-average this year, while Trae is a huge liability.

[@jerome6897]

agreed.

[@CheefChaos]

Even with Steph they were starting to fall off from 2 spot.

[@tybones2222]

What makes you think Steph Has been well above average on defense?

[@rsmith524]

@@tybones2222 After bulking up in the off-season, Steph has posted a 103.4 defensive rating this year. That’s the best mark in the entire NBA among players with at least 50 games played. In contrast, Trae Young’s defensive rating is… 115.

[@Iloveragatha]

U dont need to explain this. Trae over Steph is crazy..

[@terrencemamantsebe4100]

The leeway ya'll give KD compared to LeBron is crazy

[@hardwoodthought1213]

You can make an argument he does (I personally don’t think so) but if he did it’s super minimal, certainly not what the fuck Bill is on putting KD first team and LBJ on none 😂

[@AS-lx8jc]

KD does bills pod and is a regular contributor to the ringer. And bill is a hack. Do the math. I mean, doesn’t anyone find it odd that KD just did an interview for the ringer and now bill is pushing him into first team all nba? One washes the other….

[@hotlineblingisagoodsong]

@@AS-lx8jc the only reason I listen to the ringer bc of kd 😂 you got it

[@Fayn757]

Lead way

[@Frantz_Gourdet]

It's crazy smh.. Gave a pity party story for KD even tho he has the same power on the Nets as Bron on the Lakers and choose to have Kyrie on the team and then trade half the team for Harden and Simmons but for KD it's awe its not his fault..

[@sand-attack]

Record in games played this season: Booker 55-12 Curry 45-19 Doncic 41-21 Young 38-35 Morant 35-21

[@sambalaskas5082]

You should add record without them as well

[@MJisAGlorifiedDemarDerozen]

What point are you trying to make ?

[@sand-attack]

@@MJisAGlorifiedDemarDerozen Morant is getting a lot of credit for wins he didn't participate in

[@MJisAGlorifiedDemarDerozen]

@@sand-attack agreed, Memphis is a really good team with or without him

[@mrmacross]

@@MJisAGlorifiedDemarDerozen They were ridiculously good without Morant. I was watching a Jimmy Highroller video yesterday, and I think he said Memphis was like 20-2 without Ja.

[@brewer921]

KD has played 81 games in three seasons, and everyone on ESPN and everywhere else has to trip over themselves to say he is the best player in the game.

[@Howdidhenotseeme]

Best player in a vacuum yes

[@brewer921]

@@Howdidhenotseeme Games aren't played in vacuums. They are played inside televisions.

[@Howdidhenotseeme]

@@brewer921 The same tvs where I saw Giannis get hurt in back to back playoffs?

[@brewer921]

@@Howdidhenotseeme You don't understand jokes.

[@hughmungus1534]

@@Howdidhenotseeme Yes, and the same ones where you saw him dominate the Nets this season, eliminate KD out the playoffs, and put up 50 to close out the Finals.

[@Heartbrayk.]

The mental gymnastics to keep Lebron from being All-Nba is astounding from Bill. Just... WOW.

[@victorufondu2988]

I mean not really. He's missed 20+ games and his team is the 11 seed. pretty simple🤷‍♂️

[@firuBR]

While puttin KD on first team 😂😂😂😂😂

[@TheDiegoo17]

@@firuBR kD has a winning record Lebron is 25-31

[@blueface9348]

@@victorufondu2988 KD missed 30 games and his team is the 10th seed and Bill has him 1st team All NBA lmao please stfu this is part of his anti-LeBron agenda he been pushing for years

[@vanhoot2234]

@@firuBR i dont think either should be all NBA based on the criteria

[@williambillingsford9987]

Rasho Nesterovic shout out made my day

[@tiffany5441]

I can understand giving jokic the mvp for being the most VALUABLE player. But Giannis is the best player in the league. It is disrespectful to put a center as a forward over Giannis for 1st team all nba.

[@tobiadebiyi7490]

Giannis was always going to make it, he’s going to be the SF. They changed the rules so all Giannis Joker and Embiid can make it

[@Shortballa11]

Giannis position is PF

[@jeremysmith1870]

@@tobiadebiyi7490 which knocks Durant out. Makes no sense

[@mariosarka3807]

@@tobiadebiyi7490 I cant Say I hate that, they deserve it😎i Wonder what they ll do with the guard position... I sweat to god if they dont give to Luka and Booker it Will so stupid.

[@Harry_Paratesties]

Thats not it works. There is 2 spots for guards, and 3 spots for forwards or centers. Bill just likes to abide by the OLD rules.

[@Slapyomama88]

Siakam's averaging 22/8/5 with elite defense, how is him being on the 3rd team even a debate?

[@shaneth138]

Because 22 points a game with todays pace is not worthy of all NBA. There are simply much better players than him. He didn't even make the Allstar team lol.

[@shaneth138]

@Jim Brave Haha a guy that didn't make the Allstar team has a case for 2nd team?? Crack isn't good for you.

[@Slapyomama88]

@@shaneth138 He's way better than a bunch of guys who made the All Star team. Only reason he didn't make it is because he missed the first ten games of the season, and the Raptors were in the 7th-10th place range. Please name me the forwards, who haven't been discussed in this video, that are much better players than him.

[@AarijAnwer]

Simmons' rationale for leaving out Siakam: I put him on a worst contracts list (that I made up arbitrarily) so how can he be on the all-NBA team? 🤣 This is what happens when you listen to your own voice too much.

[@therealjayz8036]

Yeah, the NBA made a huge mistake entrusting these idiots with such an important vote

[@realsinceday1632]

Bill: I have trae over curry Ryen: ok ... (insert Gif) lmfaoooo that part had me dying

[@kareemblackston2049]

Trae numbers are better point guard never had double digits in Assist please over rated

[@Morya58]

Usually I do not think the reason that we have always done it this way is a bad argument and hampers growth. I feel like sports does have to really consider it's past. Although the positioning thing is really interesting at this point and they still need to change the rule

[@Tophergr8]

They need to change the rule, but at the beginning of the season, not in the middle of a race--you don't know who is going to vote according to the "new" rule and who is going to vote according to the "old" rule.

[@robertcomer6832]

Sir, thank you for resolving this Crit Sit

[@yvans.]

@@Tophergr8 Lol did you even saw what the main post wrote ? 😂

[@Tophergr8]

@@yvans. yes. I liked it I was the first to like it. This is not a refutation of that it's in addition to that

[@wheresrain]

Bill Simmon's LeBron takes are _fast_ veering into Skip Bayless territory. Even _Ryen_ was practically like 'Jesus Christ' a couple of times on this pod.

[@tonyschimmoeller]

Idk about his other takes but this one has some validity to it. Losing team, disappointing season, and only really has points. His defense has been terrible, effort sub par, and leadership pretty bad. It just comes down to do you think points/stats are more important than winning.

[@XxDiam0ndzXx]

@@tonyschimmoeller Everything you said describes Bradley Beal last season only difference is they snuck into the play in and LeBron is a higher markee player and even so, the forward position after the top 4-5 guys is too thin to put a player with less games over him

[@tonyschimmoeller]

@@XxDiam0ndzXx As Simmons stated, he didn't vote for Beal either. He's staying consistent with his process so there's no hate there. However there is 4 above Lebron pretty easily. Demar, Durant. Giannis, and Tatum. You then have guys like Siakam, Jimmy, Jaylen, Mikal, and Lavine who all have arguments. I'd probably say Lebron deserves it still but I wouldn't have an issue with 2 of the guys I listed being above him.

[@ronmexico7256]

I don’t know how many times this season I’ve seen Lebron put up zero effort on defence or just not even run back at all leaving his team 4v5 for a possession the guy isn’t even going for wins just points

[@XxDiam0ndzXx]

@@tonyschimmoeller Jaylen and Lavine are listed as guards on ESPN , Jimmy goes against his argument of the 55 game qualification I personally have Siakam 3rd team and to say Mikal deserves 3rd team as the 3rd or 4th most impactful player over Lebron opens up a pandoras box of trying to include JJJ Middleton and other 2nd/3rd options guys whos values are no where close to what Lebron has provided

[@spencermiller2334]

It would be cool if they either made it positionless or made the third team like the all-star where you have five wildcard votes.

[@NicholasTheMan3]

it's actually insufferable to listen to Bill sometimes. He's all over the place. Comes up with these arbitrary rules as to why a player should be/can't be on an All NBA Team then contradicts that rule 5 minutes later.

[@PremiumPIus]

My god yes, you absolutely nailed it. It's so frustrating listening to Bill talk about how Durant gets to edge his way onto the first team, by just playing in enough games, then discount Lebron from ANY team, despite playing in more games than KD and having a better overall statistical season. Do the Nets and their shitty record and barely making the play-in really make that much of a difference?

[@blakecurry3461]

@@PremiumPIus glad I'm not the only one seeing that. It's like he's actively ignoring LeBron for some undisclosed reason.

[@_fredo8]

@@blakecurry3461 he's obviously biased against Lebron, its documented somewhere 😂

[@De3dSh0t]

@@PremiumPIus To be fair KD is a better defender and his team is 3 games over .500, Bron's team is 15 games under .500, so it is quite a big difference

[@willzsportscards]

It's what weak minds do. Change parameters to fit a preformed narrative. Think of him as an 'anti-scientist'

[@newagestudios408]

Playing in only 51 games should automatically disqualify you from being all nba 1st team like come on now

[@patricija4179]

Bill pit KD 1st Team All NBA and then said Bron doesn't deserve 3rd team because of his seeding🤣🤣🤣 (KD's team is the 10th seed in the East)

[@billyfresh23]

i think the difference is before the injury brooklyn was the 1st seed and the nets are 32-19 when kd plays. the lakers stink with or without lebron playing

[@patricija4179]

@@billyfresh23 in 2019 Lakers were 4th in the west with a worse supporting cast before LeBron got hurt and Bill said he didnt deserve to be there. Also, if we don't consider the off season where frontoffice made TERRIBLE PREDICTABLE MOVES, the problem Lakers had was Russ and Vogel, with Vogel being the biggest problem of that team. AD playing in Kobe lows didnt help either

[@yonisbadar2129]

Yeah but KDs record isnt garbage. Lakers record would have them out of the play-in in the west but KDs record would have him 7th or 8th seed in a weaker western conference

[@johnnykilroy3026]

Logical consistency is kind of the opposite of Bill's schtick. I'm old enough to remember when he would use LeBron's on-court personality (fun-loving teammate) as a cudgel against Kobe only to turn around years later and start using Kobe's personality (drill sergeant leadership) as a cudgel against LeBron.

[@Maro_MaroBCH]

Lakers are 16 games under 500. Nets 2 games over 500. Seedings are misleading.

[@zacklange5427]

Not having LeBron on at least the third team would be insane. He’s leading the league in scoring. It doesn’t matter if he isn’t fun to play with or whatever. You can’t tell me that 6 forwards have been better than him this year.

[@AS-lx8jc]

He just threw in the little “fun to play with” for literally no other reason other than to bash bron. First of all, it’s irrelevant to the topic of all nba. Second, I’ve never heard of bron’s teammates not enjoying playing with him before. Third, since when has it been fun to play with KD?

[@M.O420]

Lol exactly. No way Lebron isn’t and all nba player. Period

[@SargentPeppers7]

If you don't even make the play in i'm kinda okay with it

[@iank3924]

winning a scoring title and only playing 58 games is wrong. They should make it at least 70 maybe even 75. Basic math, your average increases potentially dramatically when you play less games. Lebron always takes the short cut.

[@dvdly]

@@iank3924 You're right. But it'd be best if the scoring title went back to being the most points scored in the regular season.

[@obikenkwoch4866]

Hahahah the way bill can always find a way to slight Lebron blows my mind😂

[@HKashaf]

Siakam has been on tear all of 2022 and his team is 4 games behind the top team in the East and yet they are not sure if he is all NBA, SMH.

[@XxDiam0ndzXx]

1st : Booker Luka Tatum Giannis Jokic 2nd : Morant Trae KD Derozan Embiid 3rd : Steph Mitchell Bron Siakam KAT

[@De3dSh0t]

Absolute W of list you sir, watch games

[@wadevictory9058]

Swap curry n trae, Bron for Demar

[@yvans.]

I will put CP3 over Mitchell tho he’s more impactful. I know that’s controversial but the most impactful player on the Jazz is Gobert not Mitchell

[@XxDiam0ndzXx]

@@wadevictory9058 Curry really has had a subpar season by his own standards with his main MVP case being the first couple months of the season. If you fine with Tatum being over KD for his last 30-35 game stretch it should be fine to have Trae over Steph if steph been moving backwards after December

[@XxDiam0ndzXx]

@@yvans. Mmm from a statistical perspective I agree with the Gobert take and from an eye-test defensive view but I would say CP3 and Mitchell are ceiling raising guys rather than Gobert who is a floor raiser but won't win you any particular playoff game or series. With that being said I think the 'CP3 teaches the baby suns how to win' narrative is kinda outdated and although he does put them over the top we've seen them beat great teams in his extended absence as opposed to Donovan where the Jazz as is struggle without him.

[@JP-jd8wr]

I totally agree with Bill on how the voting for positions should be. Until the NBA officially changes it why manipulate the votes?

[@m.c4847]

It’s not fair that there’s only 1 center spot on each team. If Steph and dame both can be pgs but both can just be called “guards” and both make the first team

[@FlyEmOutTV]

Idk why it isn’t just listed similar to the All Star. Only backcourt and front court

[@charlesbaker3950]

I've never seen Bill flip flop this much in terms of his voting criteria.... it's one way that favors Durant over Tatum... it's the opposite for Steph versus Trae... then the arguments he made supporting Trae he completely reversed as soon as he started talking about Lebron (at the same time reversing his Durant logic also).... pick a lane Simmons! But seriously - all these players are great and it's really just splitting hairs and personal preference no matter what you say...

[@user-js7mo3wy4z]

KD still having one of his best years & when he plays they are double digits over .500

[@jordan7378]

That’s the funny part. He knows his criteria is flip flopping, so they came out with “don’t try and get my vote” no…. Because your criteria so flawed, you should expect someone trying to garner a vote

[@_fredo8]

Lol I noticed that too. He has Trae over Steph bc of stats but wants to leave out Lebron bc he hasn't won enough

[@Judas08]

He's known as Lebron hater too.

[@AS-lx8jc]

Guys just follow the bread crumbs. KD just did an interview for the ringer (which bill owns). And magically a few days later bill is pushing for 1st team all nba. Google it. Bill shouldn’t have a vote the same way fox and cnn shouldn’t call themselves news…..cuz they’re hacks and have skin in the game

[@davidparkhill8278]

Siakam definitely deserves a 3rd team nod

[@stevnff]

No

[@Shoujo_o]

You can tell he doesn't watch the Raptors when he says Siakam can't play well against a good defence. It's an old narrative. Raptors with SIakam have been tearing up the top teams in the NBA.

[@deontae777]

thank you for having some sense ryen

[@SBGaming3]

I've never understood people's hating of Pascal Siakam. Like of course he isn't a top-15 player, but he is having a great season. It has to be because of how he looks, right? Like sure he is lengthy and likes to spin in circles a lot, but he plays at a really high level. He averaged 21-10-6 against Bam and the Heat this season, so it isn't like he gets completely shut down by DPOY candidates, so I don't really understand why people are so hesitant to consider him for 3rd team All-NBA.

[@musictime247]

Luka, Booker, Durant, Giannis, Jokic

[@iamthejolson]

Winning matters and KD deserves a break despite only playing like 55 games... but neither Jimmy Butler nor Bam Adebayo deserve consideration despite being on the 1 seed Heat and both playing over 55 games?

[@coopertodd28]

Mmm, they’re great team but not all nba guys

[@757-David]

Neither one of those Heat guys are top 15 players this year

[@rapslove9873]

No Kimmy was trash this yearhis 4 th Quarter numbers terrible

[@austinneveau9387]

Siakam is an all NBA player and is making his deal look like a bargain. A full season of siakam playing like this, he would be getting mvp votes.

[@socialistbatman1211]

Joel had been either the best to 3rd best player the past two seasons. So the arguments that it’s insane that other people that weren’t even near that level can make 1st team over him regardless of position

[@DavidWarrenMusic]

The game ebbs and flows. forwards in the early 2000's was nuts

[@Judas08]

Bill simmons when flipping arguments about Lebron. 😄 And Russilo said, we have no other option. Simmons said, Lavine could be listed as Forward too. 🤣

[@fufuman27]

Lavine plays small forward often buddy

[@mjlove07101996]

I have issues with this, but putting Durant on the 1st team would be a huge mistake. Durant belongs with LeBron on the 3rd team. 1: Luka, Book, Giannis, Tatum, Jokic. 2: Curry, Mitchell, DeMar, Siakam, Embid. 3: Paul, Trae, LeBron, Durant, Towns

[@KernElliott]

Rubbish

[@victoooriaful]

Dude you don't have Ja on your all nba list... you can throw your list in the trash. Curry doesnt make all nba this year and its ok

[@mjlove07101996]

@@victoooriaful You're right about Ja. I forgot about him. But because of all of his missed games and how good his team has remained, I lessened his value. Perhaps Ja instead of Paul on the 3rd team.

[@victoooriaful]

@@mjlove07101996 i have ja 2nd team cp3 3rd team. Its not curry's year imo

[@gershomtan5879]

Nah KD is on the second team just cause of games played. If he played the full season he'd be on the first team.

[@cozyfades1587]

Bill Simmons was on Skip Bayless shit

[@anthonyw6092]

For me the game mark I want them to hit is at least 60 games. For things like 1st team, MVP ect...

[@louiesantos5027]

Luka-Booker-Tatum-Giannis-Embiid Ja-Steph-DeRozan-KD-Jokic Trae-CP3-LBJ-Siakam-KAT

[@iceduplani]

Best all nba team I’ve seen

[@joshido7352]

Not sure how voting works for all nba teams but I have a question. Is it possible to have either Jokic or Embiid win MVP and not get on the first team? If so that would be amazing to watch fans and media meltdown over it lol

[@hoppy23]

It is possible yes the voting is separate, there has been years where the DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR doesn't make all NBA 1st team defense, so is it possible yes is it likely I think it's highly possible

[@frankjr5813]

It's happened before.

[@thefantasybros424]

Bill Russell used to win mvps but get put on the 2nd team behind Wilt.

[@Vince-2]

Dave Cowens won MVP in 1973. Despite winning the award Cowens finished 2nd team All-NBA while Kareem Abdul-Jabbar finished 1st team All-NBA.

[@troyduffie3836]

We watched it with Gasol and DPOY; so it's very possible.

[@garyrichmond7404]

Do I need to have a pen and paper to follow their picks? Could we get a graphic department for these dudes?

[@blood9903]

I would not see much issue putting Jokic as a PF/C. I mean, what do you list Giannis as? Forward? Center? Running back?

[@LiamborninDC]

3:13 Comparing it to the Oscars with best actor and best supporting Actor is a mistake, because the Oscars have most definitely changed back and forth what the criteria of being actor Vs supporting Actor to suit their needs for that year.

[@christophergooding9820]

What position is DeMar eligible at for voting?

[@b34nw1z4rd]

I like when Russilo is on because he is not as much of an echo chamber as some of the other guests. When bill says something not logical russillo has no problem checking him, which is what makes them a good pair imo

[@slinslin83]

positionless basketball only really applies to SG, SF and PF and maybe PG to a degree since teams regularly play two point guards or playmakers. But no team plays two centers ever.

[@lewbladd2085]

The Celtics start Al Horford and Daniel Theis. Which one isn’t a center?

[@jeremymartintorres]

Here's the mic drop argument about this: David Robinson was All-NBA second team in 1994 despite finishing 2nd in MVP voting. The MVP that year was Hakeem.

[@holstorrsceadus1990]

65-66 was an 80 game season so 2 less games Bill. 72 game seasons ended after 58-59.

[@igolsedzro6898]

What about 2019 when ad and Giannis who are both PFs made the first team and they moved AD to center. Even though AD is definitely not a center. And if you wanna go minutes played at a certain position 2020 Paul George was listed as a forward when he was the 2 for the clippers the whole year. So it’s what ever the voters feel like they are. Bc AD was a forward on the 2014 team,

[@mega8284]

I think Ingram deserves a mention, maybe not selection but at least in the conversation. His numbers stack up pretty well against both LaVine and Siakam, and his team made the playoffs.

[@kimyuriquitain9426]

If embiid lead the league in scoring and finished 2nd in the East standings, I think that should be enough for him to win MVP.

[@Biz613]

Avery Bradley. Wenyen Gabriel. Stanley Johnson. DJ Augustin. LeBron is playing with G leaguers 😂

[@bigboner23]

Reaves (undrafted rookie), monk (no one wanted), washed Melo, dwight, ariza

[@florianwarnecke1995]

And it is his fault alone

[@blueface9348]

@@florianwarnecke1995 Yea it's his fault Jeanie Buss doesn't wanna spend money on a good coach and good role players and that AD missed 40+ games and Kendrick Nunn who they gave the whole MLE missed the entire season. and i can also make the same argument for KD who picked his own teammates and now he's the 10th seed but you dweebs swear he's 1st team all nba and the best player in the league

[@justinakomah4544]

trae deserve it more then curry 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@aGuUU27]

I love the fact that they really care about All-NBA. Because if you dont care. What do you really have.

[@jamesbrakewood3632]

Can anyone tell what Bill is watching on his TV in the reflection behind him? I’m not sure why but I really wanna know 🤣

[@melian9999]

Siakem is 3rd team, there hasnt been anyone to stop him since January, only one of 4 players with 25 10 5.

[@bostoncelticstruth297]

NEW ENGLAND AREA - anyone else catch russlio throwing out Jim Murray name (Boston radio guy) when bill was naming guys who are good but aren’t guys that you put on the cover of movies? Kinda confusing but was wonder if anyone else caught that. Not sure if it’s on this video but I know it was said sometime in this pod

[@jimmybreen9133]

Is bill watching two TVs in the background?

[@WizardofWestmarch]

They talk about his Duncan said he was a pf so he was voted as a pf but then ignore that AD says the same thing but got first team center a few years ago so he could make first team. It has happened before. To be clear I think it's stupid and think they should do front court back court but until they do vote by the rules. But it has been violated in the past

[@hub3rty]

Guards: Luka, Book, Ja, Steph, CP3, Trae Forwards: Giannis, Tatum, Derozan, Durant, Siakam, Lebron Centers: Jokic, Embiid, KAT

[@ohyeahoilfield119]

Honorable mentions: Rudy Gobbert,Jarren Jackson Jr., Chris Paul,Jrue Holiday, Zach Levine. ✌🖖

[@markocurcic2003]

I agree, pick one it's either Jokic or Embiid, they're both centers.

[@oa8294]

Your worst contract list sucks if Siakam is on it. He led the Raptors to the 5th seed

[@deejay3j]

Lol. Look at Bill contradicting himself in the KD vs Tatum argument vis-a-vis Steph vs Trae

[@deejay3j]

Ryan just brought up my KD argument :-D

[@bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee]

Not really, He said that Durant is obviously better than Tatum so games played matters less, while Curry and Trae are closer in terms of performance and now you have to split hairs

[@deejay3j]

@@bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Durant is not obviously better than Tatum right now. And yet if you consider him then what’s the argument against Lebron. You can’t have a guy whose missed so many games and his team is 10th in the conference First team All NBA

[@bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee]

@@deejay3j No, I agree with you on that Tatum isn’t that far behind from Durant, I was just commenting from Bill’s perspective

[@BWalker9313]

Never been a big Embiid fan, but I think you have to give it to him. He's been so great for that team that hasn't had a lot of consistent help for him all year. They didn't have Ben, just got Harden, Harris is invisible at times. Maxey is having a great season and they've had some good defence from Thybulle and others but Embiid's been the constant all year. I wouldn't be surprised if Jokic got it because they haven't had MPJ or Murray all year and they're still an awesome team which is all on him. He truly makes everyone on that team better, I just think it's Embiid's year

[@countfloydschillerhorrorth2090]

Jokic is a Better Shooter,Passer and Rebounder(by a wide margin) and with a much less talented team, he only has one less win. not to mention there are all kinds of other stats in which Jokic is first in the league and historically so.

[@BWalker9313]

@@countfloydschillerhorrorth2090 I admitted I'm not an Embiid fan, I think Jokic is awesome, I know he's a great player and all the stats and analytics back that up, I'm just saying with everything going on in Philly this year and the shit show that it was, Embiid's been great start to finish. I just think they'll give it to him. Im not sure they'll give it to Jokic back to back years

[@noah92930]

@@BWalker9313 Oh yeah and Jokic didn’t have to deal with MPJ and Murray out the entire year. He had just as big of a shitshow as Embiid minus the Simmons situation

[@countfloydschillerhorrorth2090]

@@BWalker9313 You certainly might be right.

[@prestonhogan403]

All nba should go off minutes played at a position for eligibility for said all nba positions if someone logs certain mins at 3 positions they should be able to be categorized that way but if someone logs all mins or 90 to 95% of mins at one position then they can only be counted for said position. Easy fix

[@arrowzen7433]

These two guys/nerds love what they do so much, they still can’t believe they get to do this rambling for a living. They are good though.

[@zackshewchuk8483]

Bucks fan here but not letting Siakam get slandered this szn. He’s been nothing less than amazing

[@smesh8318]

Man kudos to Housey for laughing at Bill trying to shit on Lebron every 5 minutes 😂

[@HalfAsianDerp]

1st team: Luka, Booker, KD, Giannis, Jokic 2nd team: CP3, Ja, Tatum, Siakam, Joel 3rd team: Trae, Demar, Butler, Bron, KAT

[@m.d8943]

Demar is a foward not a guards so you have go choose between Demar, Lebron and Butler for the two foward spots. And no Stephen Curry?

[@PygmaApril]

KD has absolutely nothing over LeBron this year.

[@Rebel-eq7ul]

Yes he does, better leadership, better defender, better team, better FT shooter, averages 30 will less FT attempts and sees double teams when Lebron sees open lanes and attempts the most shots in league. All the metrics prove Durant was better this year. Go d ride and cry about it. LeFraud James

[@drev6216]

I guess "winning" is nothing now

[@PremiumPIus]

I honestly don't get how Bill can make an argument for KD being on first team, then make an argument for LBJ being ineligible for ANY team. Someone make it make sense please. The Nets are a disaster this year too, everything Bill said about the Lakers can be said a bout the Nets too. Limping into the play-in is hardly an accomplishment worth noting.

[@justinakomah4544]

I wonder in another life if bill loves lebron cause there’s no way lebron doesn’t make a team 😂

[@Rebel-eq7ul]

Lebron is trash and a Fraud

[@truth3412]

I mean he really shouldn't be on any all NBA team period. He's on a team that gonna lose 50gms. When has a guy on a team with 40% win percentage made an all NBA team??

[@justinakomah4544]

@@truth3412 so the nba leading scorer thats also averages 8 rebounds and 6 assists doesn’t make at least 3rd team cause his team is ass do we should let pascal or butler in even tho individual they are having worse seasons

[@yvans.]

@@justinakomah4544 Jerry stackhouse was scoring leader in 00’ and still didn’t make it. We got to stay consistent

[@justinakomah4544]

@@yvans. stackhouse lead in points total allen iverson lead in points per game and won mvp not saying lebron should win mvp but to say hes basically not a top 6 forward is ridiculous

[@Asherrager]

That Tatum - KD first team take was weird

[@Em4gdn1m]

3:13 wait... you mean like they did with Viola Davis in Fences just a few years ago? She wasn't going to win Best Actress so they somehow decided she was a supporting actress and put her in that category.

[@AndrewWright1998]

Off the top of my head: First: Luka, Booker, Tatum, Giannis, Embiid Second: Ja, Steph, Demar, KD, Jokic Third: Trae, Mitchell, Butler, Bron, KAT

[@saidufofanah2210]

I’d switch steph and Trae, and I’d remove bron for siakam

[@yonisbadar2129]

@@saidufofanah2210 I would remove Jimmy for siakam cuz of the huge gap in games played

[@mariosarka3807]

I like that you put Tatum on First Team

[@mariosarka3807]

O yeah and of course Joker in, Embid out in my opinion

[@Rebel-eq7ul]

Jokic better than Embid and Lebron is a fraud

[@TheRealBace]

1st Team: Ja, Luka, Tatum, Giannis, Jokic 2nd Team: Curry, Booker, DeRozan, Durant, Embiid 3rd Team: CP3, Mitchell, Lebron, Siakam, Towns HM: Trae, Harden/Brown, Lavine, Butler, Gobert/BAM

[@terencejones4057]

Trae young jimmy butler making an all nba team you silly ash 😂

[@brewer921]

Bill: I want Durant to be a first team all NBA guy. Me: So.

[@ohyeahoilfield119]

3rd Team: PG:Trae Young SG:Donovan Mitchell SF: Jimmy Butler PF: Pascal Siakam C:Karl Anthony Towns

[@mca217]

The fact that KD could potentially be in the 50, 40, 90 club while scoring 30ppg is just ridiculous.

[@tatumsh9]

It seems like mostly everyone agrees on Luka over Ja at this point. Finally

[@chrishamilton1189]

Agreed...Finally!

[@liamgreen2659]

Guy on the right is always speaking factual

[@danieltavershima5022]

You can’t have KD there and not have Lebron on at least the the third team. The nets are 10th and the lakers are 11th. 🤷

[@d.rock2224]

Standings are misleading. Nets are four games over .500, Lakers are 17 games under .500.

[@djlee202]

The All NBA Team isn’t a lifetime achievement award. The award is for who has been the best at their position for that year. So to me it’s Luka,Booker,Tatum,Giannis and Jokic… The players resume shouldn’t count it’s about that current season. Who played the best. As a Sixers fan it hurts me to say this 😂 because I think Embiid is better on defense and Jokic is a better playmaker so I think they are about even. Someone has to be first team and someone has to be second team so it’s ok.

[@prateshramjohn]

I'd love lebron to join the Celtics just to hear Bill's take and see how much he tries to walk back his criticism. 🤣

[@mfhc9772]

Doncic Booker Tatum Giannis Embiid

[@nbarealtalker]

If Siakam isn’t on one of your all NBA teams then you either haven’t been paying attention or just making a strange conscious choice not to put him on one.

[@killerbee5316]

100%

[@rapslove9873]

How you don’t have Siakam 3rd team is unbelievable??? Zach Lavine has been playing shooting guard 90%

[@chrisjoseph3883]

I do think we should change all nba teams to the all star format of 2 backcourt and 3 front court players And why don’t we get uptight about 2 point guards being on first team ? Last year it was Steph and luka 2016 it was Steph and Russ Like we don’t actually pay 100% attention to positioning…. Or years when 2 small forwards were on first team instead of a small forward and a power forward…. These rankings have Monetary ramifications and also all time ranking ramifications where you look at someone’s resume and go well this guy only has 3 first teams compared to this guy who has 10…

[@tedlemoine5587]

Bill is making excuses for KD......To me first team isn't who is better but who had the better season this year. Plus the Celts could have the 1 seed and KD's team is in the play in game

[@korapt24]

I like Russillo, loving Steph. 😎

[@kjo2130]

Durant being first team is ridiculous

[@andysauro1500]

Draymond could fit that 3rd team with stastically an unimpressive season. Remember you guys were talking about him easily being DPOY before his injury and the "Draymond effect" being clear for Steph Curry's and the teams shooting. They're 29-11 with him, 19-17 without.

[@corbynpaurini9050]

how is it a drop off THEN siakam... like i dont get how hes clearly not taking that 3rd spot ?

[@andrewlabreck1569]

How are we going to snug jaylen brown from the all star game and not even MENTION him 3rd team with Lavigne and pascal? You said the concern with pascal is if he gets a really good defender in the playoffs that concerns you... Yeah that happened when jaylen brown absolutely dominated him into a shell of himself in a series. Should jb get the pick? Not sure, but damn he deserves a mention at least. Averaging 24 ppg guarding the best player every night and 2 games out of the 1 seed.