An Evening With Ruth Paine on Marina and Lee Harvey Oswald

Forever connected to the difficult days of November 1963, Ruth Paine talks with author Thomas Mallon about her life before and after the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, as well as her relationship with Marina and Lee Harvey Oswald.
We also interviewed Ruth at her former home in Irving - • Ruth Paine Returns to ...

[@ghostdance56]

An Intelligence agencies main concern is to 'not' leave smoking guns behind. It's why so many in the populace are so easily distracted by the 'shiny objects' Intelligence orgs create, in lieu of connecting the dots beyond the superficial events we all can see. How many families do YOU know that invite total strangers to move into their home, have the man of the house Michael move out of the house altogether, and then upon the conclusion of the assassination events, Michael moves right back in with Ruth just a couple days after the saga is over, and stays with Ruth for another 9 years or so. It's all so fake, yet the gullible among us just take it all in. Magic bullets, pristine bullets, Oswald acted alone, Ruby acted alone, and then RFK too is destroyed by yet 'another' lone nutter?? Botched autopsies, confiscated films, intimidated and ignored witnesses, fantastical long range shots with a busted scope, destroyed and missing evidence, and it goes on and on. Come on now, who we kidding here folks. To a more worldly eye, it's all so typical of Intelligence operations as to be obvious. There's a good reason Ruth Payne is run out of Nicaragua in the 1980's while spying under the guise of being a USAID worker.

[@epicaction1755]

It's really strange that she speaks about the Walker shooting - of which there is zero verifiable evidence of LHO having anything to do with, as, at the time, she, her husband, & their calendar alibied LHO of the shooting. As at the time of the shooting, they were all having dinner together. The witnesses say there were multiple men casing Walker's house beforehand. 2 men were seen fleeing by different witnesses in a car. The note she speaks of, that Ruth sends to Marina via a book - which magically appeared, even after the police thoroughly checked all books at the Paine house - didn't have LHO's or Marina's prints on it. Was written on in multiple different handwriting. Marina's testimony, in Russian, either being misinterpreted, or willfully misrepresented, or coerced by FBI & CIA who threatened to kick her out of the country if she didn't go along with it, & that she later retracted, once her family were safe. There was no way to link the bullets used in the Walker shooting to the JFK shooting, or Oswald's supposed rifle - which, itself, had the dodgiest chain of evidence ever.

[@kcn7826]

Ruth keeps bringing up the rifle, the rifle found in book depository was a Mauser, not the Oswald rifle

[@morpher44]

the question to "Ruth Paine" needs to be, "Did anyone ask her to help the Oswalds? If yes, who?"

[@PaulHenreid]

George de Mohrenschildt

[@morpher44]

@@PaulHenreid and if he is the CIA handler, not necessarily aware of the plan just ordered to be Oswald's handler, then Ruth Paine may have been used to essentially be Marina's handler. George would probably ask Ruth how it is going, and then report info up the chain of command -- eventually reaching Cord Meyer (the planner).

[@morpher44]

@@PaulHenreid In the TV series "11/22/63" Stephen King, George is depicted as not knowing much.

[@morpher44]

@@PaulHenreid Ruth does get Oswald the gig at the Book Repository / Dealey Plaza.

[@PaulHenreid]

Stephen King writes fiction.@@morpher44

[@Springheeledjim5]

CIACIACIA!

[@stevenuanna4747]

Yes and no. Ruth and her father and sister had CIA ties but the CIA and the OSS before them work for the interests of Ruth’s family and the other First Families to America her family the Forbes-Hyde-Paine... are intertwined with.

[@ltltraffic5409]

BEYOND A DOUBT!!!

[@v-quality6592]

She knows or should know the verifiable information existing in the public arena that undermines her story. What amazes is she sticks to the narrative even at this late date. Even Oswald stuck to his narrative when having a television interview. What would Oswald had said to a TV audience if he fully realized what was going on around him?

[@code3responsevideos872]

I can’t disagree more about the “Rosetta stone” of the assassination. The DPD detectives spoke to 4 different reporters who stated the round used to shoot at Walker was a steel jacketed 30-06. A 6.5 carcano ammunition was not steel nor was it the same diameter.

[@kevinbrennan-ji1so]

And it was known to 'tumble' at even a medium type of distance. That weapon (and it's ammunition) was one of the major factors in 330,000 Italians getting pushed back in Egypt by 36,000 Brits in 1940.

[@PaulHenreid]

Witnesses saw a getaway car, but Lee did not drive. He was framed a lot, a patsy, as he said. Walker was politically the opposite of JFK. Makes no sense unless one is framing Lee.

[@rockintetster]

Are you saying that Oswald did not shoot at Walker? If you are, you have it wrong.

[@PaulHenreid]

@@rockintetsterWitnesses saw two males getaway in a vehicle. Lee did not have a vehicle. What is the evidence that Lee shot at Walker?

[@rockintetster]

@@PaulHenreid He admitted it to his wife, there is written evidence that was discovered after the Kennedy assassination. Please stop falling for false narratives. It is an established fact that Oswald shot at Walker.

[@CrystalTafoya]

I have been obsessed w/ the Kennedy’s for more than the assassination and their looks. I was really impressed by speeches and fell in love w/ their ability to evolve unlike many politicians of today. I started w/ their legacy and moved into the assassination of both Kennedy Brothers. I couldn’t understand how or why them. Unaware of the true depth surrounding the assassination. I dabbled back and forth between pro conspiracy and anti conspiracy theories. All the documentaries and podcasts consist mostly about conspiracy theories. I strongly suspected a conspiracy. The deeper I dig into actual proof and evidence. It is plain that Oswald is RESPONSIBLE and it’s unfortunate that the guilty has become a victim. It is unfortunate to hear people ridicule Ruth Paine. She was an innocent bystander and helped the Oswald’s as a good citizen. Her story has never changed and she has made it clear her purpose for the interviews thru the years. Is in her effort to provide her perspective and experience for the Country and our history . Again, because Ruth Paine continues to be a good person she is accused of some sort of involvement. As far as Marina Oswald she turned her back on Paine out of loyalty to her loser husband. I just wish there were more focused documentaries on what is proven evidence and factual. Rather than conspiracies. The best book is by Gerald Posner. For people seeking the truth rather than their desired conspiracy. That would be a good documentary for people to be able to see. Most documentaries are Pro Conspiracy. I can’t completely discount whether Oswald was connected to a bigger plot. However, the evidence leads to Oswald. He was responsible for killing JFK.

[@jhb134]

JFK was shot, in the throat ... and the right temple. Ms. Ruth clings to her story, that Lee Harvey was responsible. It's too bad that so many still believe in a lone gunman and/or 3-bullet falsehood, propagated by Specter and the Warren Commission.

[@PaulHenreid]

Are you on Uncle Sam's payroll too? Human or robot lol? What evidence leads to Oswald? The evidence leads to Oswald not even being on the sixth floor and being framed for murdering the President and officer Tippit.

[@ghostdance56]

Ruth Paine herself is a CIA asset, as was her husband Michael, who 'both' came from a long line of CIA and OSS family members. I know the government's story 'seems' plausible to the uninitiated, but when you begin looking deeper and reviewing the investigations the government 'should' have done, this narrative about Oswald falls apart. Now, if you're really interested, investigate why Ruth Paine is exposed in Nicaragua as an CIA operative while working under the guise of the 'USAID' organization in the early 1980's, and is run out of the country by the locals she was interacting with. She's CIA thru and thru, and her husband's story is even more interesting. It's no mystery that the 'USAID' organization was a common front for CIA operations. One thing to keep in mind, the Kennedy assassination is more than just words on paper. These were real human beings, living 'real' lives, doing the things real people do in life. Oswald was no 'loner', nor did he lead a troubled life at all. Thats only a narrative. Once you start understanding WHO these people involved were, the Warren narrative begins to look absurdly suspect indeed. It's no accident that a large portion of the so-called 'evidence' comes only from the mouth of Ruth Payne. And why she's even connected to the Oswald's is a good starting point for any realistic personal investigation.

[@ltltraffic5409]

Let me ask you a question? Let's assume You or your significant other is President of a Large Company or Country. You or our significant other fire the head of your security due to some under the table stuff. One of You or your significant other survive the assassination attempt. Would you hire the fired head of security to head up the investigation? Of course you wouldn't do that. No one in the right state of mind would do that. Lyndon Johnson Did just that. HMMMMMMMM....

[@CrystalTafoya]

@@ltltraffic5409 Lol! I don’t blame you for the information and rumors that consume the majority unfortunately that information is inaccurate.Dulles was put on the commission per Bobby Kennedy‘s request. Despite having been dismissed by Kennedy. Also, do you think that a family friend of yours assuming your significant other or yourself were assassinated, and a really close family friend is made to head in the investigation. Do You think they would lie to your family in some grand conspiracy . I can’t blame people for believing those theories. I myself have been down the rabbit hole. Something else was at play. unfortunately everything leads to Oswald alone and it is, disheartening that people defend the assassin. So many of these conspiracy advocates makes so much money off of their theories. It’s hard to sift fact from fiction.

[@ghostdance56]

Did anyone ever ask Ruth about the convenient timing of having Michael moving out of their home right before Marina moves in, and then Michael moves right back in within JUST DAYS after the assassination saga is over?

[@peterfraser9070]

worthless speculation.

[@ghostdance56]

@@peterfraser9070 - Yeah, every married couple with kids makes the husband move out so that strangers with kids can move in, then the day after the strangers are gone the husband moves back in, and stays together with her for another 9 years or so. Perfectly normal and common behavior. Everyone does that some time in their life. LOL

[@ghostdance56]

@@peterfraser9070 - Lets discuss worthless speculation. Son, the trajectory you "claim" is occurring is from HIGH to LOW, and just as importantly from RIGHT to LEFT from the shooter's view point. There is no line in mathematics where you can draw a line that goes from the window thru the middle of Kennedy's neck but then turns to hit Connelly on his extreme right side, and then turns drastically left to imbed into Connally's LEFT thigh. It's a ridiculously crooked line, and a ridiculously crooked LIE. It's nonsense now, and it was nonsense then. No FBI investigator EVER determined that was the case, and no Police investigator ever determined that was the case. This absurd hoax came ONLY from the mouth of a corrupt politician named Arlen Spector, and everyone knows WHY he felt it necessary to insult everyone's intelligence like that, because they weren't investigating anything, they were tasked with SANCTIFYING the lone nutter story. It's not as though this is even debatable, if you must insult yourself and play the fool, then thats on you, but don't expect others to play along with that ridiculous story . .

[@davidarbuckle7236]

@@peterfraser9070 Or possibly why her Taxes are Classified? Or why Oswald's Taxes were classified? Or why she had Oswald's Rifle stored in her garage for 6 months even after the Attempt on General Walker, or why she recommended him for the job at the Book Depository when he was a Defector to the USSR a month before the Motorcade and never bothered to notify Secret Service? And why she claims she wanted to get to know Marina better because she wanted to "learn" Russian when she was already teaching it at the collegiate level?

[@ghostdance56]

@@davidarbuckle7236 - Or why she's run out of Nicaragua in 1983. Or how he gets job at Jagger Chiles Stovall. Or why she gets such a HUGE voice in the Warren Report when ultimately she has nothing more than slanderous opinions.The Or whys would never end David. LOL

[@BarbaraJoanneBJ]

Thomas Mallon’s book is so good.

[@stevenuanna4747]

She still just as creepy as she always was. Odd. In another time zone. Quaker New Age sure to give you the willies kind of creepiness. And snooty.

[@cedarabbey]

She's GOT to have a Scorpio Rising.

[@stevia3162]

One of the last frontliners left in the JFK Coup!

[@v-quality6592]

We certainly can correctly guess who Mallon is affiliated with.

[@asharrard]

How could she “know” he was guilty when he called on Saturday to ask her to call Abt? And why would she not want to help an accused person in need of representation when she was both a Quaker and supporter of the ACLU?

[@aaronz7056]

Oswald refused help from the President of the Dallas Bar Association and was only interested in a lawyer he'd never met living in another state who specialized in left wing causes. You know, just like any innocent man...

[@randyharris3175]

😂Common.sense they had a mountain of evidence against Oswald by Saturday

[@randyharris3175]

She did try to calk Abt for Oswald you know that right.

[@aaronz7056]

Oswald, of course, turned down help offered by the President of the Dallas Bar Association himself and was only interested in a lawyer he'd never met living in another state who specialized in left-wing causes. Just like any innocent man.

[@ghostdance56]

@@randyharris3175 - Really? They hardly mentioned anything about Oswald's past. They tried to hide Ruby's past altogether. What was it, the 'fast food' version of murder investigations son? LOL

[@JohnJohnson-pq4qz]

Her family connections to the CIA are so obvious to be laughable. Her father was in the OSS during WW 2, then is cited in CIA documents as being considered for CIA roles overseas. Her sister was an on the books employee of the CIA for years (which she lies about and claims she didn't really know that in one of the documentaries) Both her old man and brother in law end up working for one of these CIA front companies that do "international development". Her Husband came from old east coast establishment money and they vacationed with Allan Dulles' mistress, who was close to them. Paine herself was apparently doing some information gathering in Nicaragua during the 80s (probably trying to get photos of people for the right wing death squads) while "working" for a charity. Who has that many spooks in one family? And its just coincedence that the spooks best friends are watching LHO.......yea ok.

[@stevenuanna4747]

Ruth and her family don’t work for the OSS and CIA, the OSS and CIA work for them and the other aristocratic First Families to America like them. The came here in the 1600’s, were in control through 1776 and still occupy the top positions in government, Dulles, Cabell, Lee, Washington.... many more. They intermarry to keep land and control.

[@aaronz7056]

B.S., like all of your crackpot and hysterical posts.

[@JohnJohnson-pq4qz]

@@bevaconme What? The 'case' was reopened by the HSCA and the result is that the official position of the US congress since 1979 was: JFK was "probably killed as the result of a conspiracy"....how do the rubes not know this?

[@JohnJohnson-pq4qz]

@@bevaconme What? The 'case' was reopened by the HSCA and the result is that the official position of the US congress since 1979 was: JFK was "probably killed as the result of a conspiracy"....how do the rubes not know this?

[@peterfraser9070]

You know what is laughable? It is John Johnson and his weird delusions and love of cowardly libelling a Quaker woman in her 80's. That's laughable and pathetic.

[@stevenuanna4747]

Ruth, at 54:45 you stopped at the church in Birmingham where the the 4 little girls were killed? That’s nice, Quakers are often at the fore front of black civil rights, labor movements and women’s suffrage. That allows them intimate access to the movements. My question to you is have you ever been to Wild Bill Donovan’s or the Dulles brothers homes in Georgetown? Or to 23rd and E Street NW Washington., Navy Hill? The OSS and later CIA headquarters. Has your sister Sylvia Hyde Hoke or your father? The woman that the CIA allowed to live in the mansion at CIA Headquarters at Langley, Margaret Scattergood, she was a “Birthright Friend” did you know her? Are you a”BirthrightFriend”? I’m just wondering.

[@ghostdance56]

Another thing Quaker's are 'known' for is as a recruiting asset of the CIA. As are 'Jesuits', you find many CIA assets with ties to Quakers in one way or another, likely because of the access this later provides for 'missions' and 'programs' into foreign nations the CIA can run under the guise of Quakers or Jesuit missions and outreach, etc.

[@peterfraser9070]

Steven, you silly fool, do you think Ruth Paine would be looking at comments from shady con men like you guys?

[@stevenuanna4747]

True, Ruth’s not concerned with my opinion. She exists in another time zone. In this interview she is a fraud in her world that’s OK. Ruth and her clique view us as dupes and lying to us is necessary to hide what she does behind the scenes. Occult activities. David Ferrie and his bunch were her servants. Ruth is up there with Marjorie Post and the Georgetown set.

[@stevenuanna4747]

True, she couldn’t be bothered. She only comes out the clouds occasionally to do cozy interviews like this. Then it’s back to wherever she and her cabal float around. Double, double toil and trouble. Fire burn and cauldron bubble.

[@ghostdance56]

@@stevenuanna4747 - Ever see Max Good's interview with Michael Payne a few years ago? Michael's mind was going a bit, so Ruth was there in the background to keep his stories straight. Whenever Michael would go off the script, Ruth or her staff were banging pots and pans, slamming doors, and rattling silverware. It begins to get hilarious once you realize what she's up to. She was trying to ruin the audio portion of the interview in the hope Max Good wouldn't be able to use it or post the interview anywhere, just in case Michael made a mistake. She's a cold and calculating liar, a real pro, and still sharp as a whip. .

[@ghostdance56]

Ever see Max Good's interview with Michael Payne a few years ago? Michael's mind was going a bit, so Ruth was there in the background to keep his stories straight. Whenever Michael would go off the script, Ruth or her staff were in the background banging pots and pans, slamming doors, and rattling silverware. It begins to get hilarious once you realize what she's up to. She was trying to ruin the audio portion of the interview in the hope Max Good wouldn't be able to use it or post the interview anywhere, just in case Michael made a mistake. She's a cold and calculating liar, a real pro, and still sharp as a whip.

[@peterfraser9070]

You're a bizarre and possibly dangerous character. Have you been in trouble with the law - like for threatening people or child or spousal abuse of ?

[@peterfraser9070]

"Ruth was in the background banging pots and pans, slamming doors, and rattling silverware. It begins to get hilarious once you realize what she's up to.: I was watching the interview just now and I was hearing the noises in the background and at the same time there was Ruth Paine also sitting AT THE TABLE while someone else was in the kitchen doing something - YOU INCOMPETENT FOOL!.

[@tula1433]

Yes I saw it. They claim it was the cafeteria but it was evil ole Ruth

[@peterfraser9070]

@@tula1433 While the noise was happening Ruth Paine was sitting right there at the table, you conspiracy weirdo los*ers.

[@ghostdance56]

Has to be the noisiest room for an interview in world history. LOL

[@stevenuanna4747]

Creeeepie! She’ll creep you out!

[@yelddoswell9292]

They just found more incriminating evidence at Ruth Paines house in Dallas😅😅😅

[@mastershake2782]

How did she know the man who introduced Lee and Marina to her, George de Mohrenschildt?

[@stevenuanna4747]

George was a member of the European Aristocracy - who work with the American Aristocrats like Ruth (Forbes) George’s brother went to work for the Hoover Institution. That’s where Ed Lansdale’s and probably J. Edgar Hoover’s papers are kept.

[@ghostdance56]

Yes indeed, thats one of the many stories that is illogical. Why would a guy like Mohrenschildt, an obvious CIA asset, have any interest in the Oswald's whatsoever given who he was and what he did. The only 'logical' conclusion is that it was an assignment. And when Mohrenschildt is then assigned to Haiti, where a violent revolution has sprung up and the US wants to assert it's influence, he then passes the Oswald's off to be 'handled' by the Paynes, who are also CIA. Mohrenschildt's life story is a fascinating one by the way. His brother Dimitri is one of the founders of Radio Free Europe, the CIA program to permit counter propaganda to be broadcast over Europe. .

[@mastershake2782]

@@ghostdance56 A bit off topic, but you'll actually be interested in this. My favorite character of the JFK assassination that no one ever mentions is William K Harvey. Aka "America's James Bond" was famous for the operation that built a tunnel to the Soviet sector of Berlin to spy on their communication channels (later used by Ian Flemming in From Russia with Love). He was head of black ops and the main connection between the agency and the mob. He HATED the Kennedy's. His wife (also CIA) did an interview in the early 2000s where she accidentally called the operation to kill Castro the operation to kill Kennedy. Among other funny things like calling John Roselli handsome and bad mouthing Jackie for making Ladybird cover for her. She didn't hold back at all.

[@ghostdance56]

@@mastershake2782 - thanks. The story is vaguely familiar to me, but I'll be keeping an eye out to get into it deeper whenever time permits. Do you know what I find more and more as I got deeper into the history of all these guys. When you say it's a bit 'off topic', the thing that routinely amazes me is how interconnected so much of this history and people actually are. The World War II gang were a rough bunch of characters to say the least. Thanks again.

[@ghostdance56]

To return the favor, I'd recommend an interview and book, here on YT titled: "What JFK tried to do before his assassination w/Jeffrey Sachs" I'm no pushover, but Sachs portrayal of the Kennedy years has got me becoming a fan of Kennedy, something I never expected I'd be saying. JFK was the most eloquent defender of freedom and life that I've ever heard. Worth a watch and he's written the book too, title escapes me.

[@kevinbrennan-ji1so]

Some think she's a good actress, but I think if you know what to look for, the certain tells, she comes across as a poor actress to me. I think the only time I bought what she was selling was when I was pre-teen, at which point she came across as motherly to me, but once one sheds the naivete, things become obvious.

[@SkyKingofMaricopa]

What is obvious?

[@stevenuanna4747]

That’s part of how she operates. Sure, there is evidence that she and her sister and her father have CIA ties. She wants you to know that. The fact is that the CIA and the OSS before them work for Ruth’s family and the other FIRST FAMILIES TO AMERICA that run the show. There is a much darker story with those families than with all the evil involved with the CIA. These families have been at it her in America since the early 1600’s.

[@aaronz7056]

Could you be a little more vague and meaningless, please?

[@peterfraser9070]

I already said Marina said Oswald told her about why he tried to shoot Walker. He didn't mention liking Walker; that's a strange theory with nothing going for it.

[@ghostdance56]

Yeah, who cares?? Rifles and pistols don't need bullets. Whats a bullet?? We don't need no stinkin bullets ! LOL Why do all you lone nutters always try to make it about me, rather than the topic at hand? Well, actually I already know why. You don't have argument as far as I can tell, spouting the long debunked and obviously flawed and sordid Warren opinion isn't an argument per say, those views were impeached long ago as I previously pointed out. The Warren opinion is just a baseline, there are 60 additional years of FAR better analysis and investigation than Warren ever was. The MOST interesting thing about it to me is how you can see how it gets constructed. It's not bad for 1963, there's no internet, Operation Mockingbird is in full swing, and information is hard to come by back then. FACT is Warren was never meant to be an investigation, it was panel chosen to convince the American people that Oswald, and only Oswald was involved. Hoover and Johnson SAY as much. So they lied, they hid, they intimidated, and they ignored. But it never stands up to scrutiny, even when first published about 50% of people thought it was bogus. Well, we all know a lot more today, and it's worse than bogus. I was never out to crush you, I try to learn something new from everyone, so it's not a competition. And amazingly every once in a while something new does indeed pop up. But you might be the least knowledgeable lone nutter I've ever come across, no offense intended. It's probably just that you're a little immature. But the Warren fiasco is for suckers. Don't continue being a sucker, it only reflects bad on you and makes you look immature. So, now we've swapped our views of each other son. Good luck

[@ghostdance56]

Yeah, he told his wife how he tried to murder a then famous figure like Walker, to which she replied 'would you like another cup of coffee'. LOL Did you ever stop to think about 'why' he would tell his young foreign wife such an incredible thing, especially if it had been true? Don't you think she's have leaked this to others and have been fearful for her own life from that point on? Hello???? Come on son, gullible much?? You lone nutters take the cake when it comes to insanity. It's a 'story', a fabrication the FBI forced on her to say. A large bulk of he so-called 'evidence' comes ONLY from the mouth of Ruth Payne or Oswald's terrified young wife Marina who doesn't want to get deported or worse when faced with the FBI breathing all over her. Typewritten letters magically 'found' in Ruth's cookbook days later? The badmouthing and the rumors spread about Oswald being this violent tempered guy who was down and out, yet he has NO police record or complaints on file anywhere for anything. Oswald got a job at Jaggers Chiles Stovall for god's sake, a good paying job that REQUIRED very high security clearances to even get in the door. Who you trying to kid here? Which leads to the myriad of questions, how does an 'ex-defector' who stated he'd reveal top secret classified data to the Russians, still manage to maintain a high level security clearance when he comes back? You're being duped by words coming from politicians and professional liars son, and they're not even good lies. Jeez..... .

[@ghostdance56]

And she never mentioned it to a living soul, or ran out of the house fearful of sleeping with a killer? Come on son, that sounds more like the FBI telling a very young foreign woman what to say and threatening her with deportation if she doesn't. Try to think the way adults do son, this isn't just words on paper, it's actual people doing the things actual people do. .

[@peterfraser9070]

It sounds logically like you are being paid to tow the conspiracy narrative by some powerful figures at the head of the conspiracy machine; the con mach is a multi-million dollar industry. Is this funding the way you live your retirement? Sad.

[@peterfraser9070]

wait, Jesus had a brother?? WTF?? Imagine the sibling rivalry there. How come we never hear about Jesus when he was growing up; it's just when he was born and then suddenly he's an adult.

[@ghostdance56]

Well, 2000 years ago, a majority of the population in those towns were illiterate for one thing. For another, there wasn't a whole lot of time for anyone to sit around pretending to be a scribe when you're struggling just to feed yourself each day. What did you expect? "Dear Diary: Monday: Today Jesus got a car for his 16th birthday, and he took a poop before fetching water from the stream." What would they have written about son? LOL Jesus had a mom too, in case you missed that also. Wasn't much writing about her young life either, just sayin'. Hello??? LOL

[@ghostdance56]

Dallas PD nor FBI ever pointed to Oswald as a suspect in the Walker shooting. That story suddenly popped up on Nov 23, and was first reported from a newspaper in Germany, from people Walker had known while he served in Germany. It's as if Walker made a phone call to that newspaper to spread that story.

[@peterfraser9070]

It's as if you have no idea about the details of this and just want to believe what you want to believe.

[@peterfraser9070]

It's no mystery as to where Oswald got the bullets - he mail ordered them from a company, Mr. Lazy, and you babbling about "missing boxes" is just plain weird.

[@ghostdance56]

@@peterfraser9070 - Really? So someone mailed Oswald 4 bullets? Whats the company son? Where's the evidence for that? You really think you can just lie your way thru this? LOL Why does Oswald not have the boxes of bullets for EITHER of the weapons he supposedly used? Every gun owner knows bullets come in a box. They went thru his belongings did they not? And no one in retail is selling single bullets, so where are the boxes they came in son? Where's the rest of the rounds for both guns? Where do YOU keep the rounds for your firearms? Well, returning from your fantasy land, the FBI did in fact track where the carcano shells came from. Those rounds were produced in 1954 specifically for the CIA's illegal war in Guatamala. 4 million were produced at the time, and the CIA took possession of them. Yet another tie to the CIA and Intelligence apparatus that hovers over this entire case.

[@ghostdance56]

@@peterfraser9070 - The Carcano rifle will not fire multiple rounds unless the clip is full. A Carcano clip requires 6 rounds or the clip will not feed. Yes, the Italians are nuts. Only 4 rounds accounted for by Dallas PD. What happened to the other 2 rounds son? Shouldn't they have been on the sixth floor too? Do you think Oswald fed the bullets one by one? That 'might' work, but of course he wouldn't be able to fire 3 shots so quickly. Yet another gaping hole in the farce known as the Warren opinion. .

[@ghostdance56]

@@peterfraser9070 - What I find over and over is how little you lone nutters actually know because you ignore 60 years of additional research and investigation. Look at the Warren politicians. No experienced investigators, no one with any medical knowledge, and half the crew are rabid Kennedy haters, especially the creepy Dulles who's just been fired by Kennedy. It's not a mystery to me why they were picked and why they never did a legitimate investigation. You guys got suckered hook, line, and sinker son.

[@ghostdance56]

Western Cartridge Company in a letter to the Warren Commission said that the Carcano cartridges were "no longer manufactured". In the followup with Western Cartridge Company, in another letter they outright stated that the "reliability of those cartridges in evidence were questionable" and that those cartridges were "no longer being manufactured". There were numerous problems cited in the Warren testimonies regarding the condition of the cartridges found, including how one cartridge was damaged, CE 543, for which multiple experts agreed "could not have been fired that day". Two of the shells "lacked markings of a firing pin from a rifle". And two of the shells, including the damaged one, had markings of a "magazine follower" which marks ONLY the 'last round in a clip'. However, we know for certain that neither of those shells could have been the 'last' round, because a "LIVE ROUND" was found still in the clip. Reference CE 543 and CE 545. In CE 2968, the letter from FBI chief Hoover says the cartridge shells in evidence "did not possess sufficient characteristics for identifying the weapon which produced them". Interestingly enough is the FACT that according to the FBI, those cartridges were last manufactured in 1954, when 4 million were produced ostensibly to support the CIA's illegal war in Guatemala, and according to Western Cartridge that order was taken into possession by "US Army", which was a common euphemism used by the CIA when ordering weapons for wars the US was not supposed to be engaging in. Did someone mention the Western Cartridge Company?? LOL

[@peterfraser9070]

Who told you this story?

[@ghostdance56]

@@peterfraser9070 - Who wrote the Warren volumes? It's all from there. Like I've said often, we're all looking at the same evidence. .

[@peterfraser9070]

@@ghostdance56Who wrote the Warren volumes? : The Warren Volumes is a collection of religious texts and scriptures that were written by various authors over a span of centuries. Its composition involves numerous authors, including prophets, historians, poets, and apostles, among others. Anything else, son?

[@ghostdance56]

@@peterfraser9070 - Yikes, another set of books you're not familiar with!! LOL

[@peterfraser9070]

@@ghostdance56 You personally didn't get this directly from the Warren Volumes, your opinion of the Warren report rules out the possibility that you would have ever bothered to look at it - why should you , after all? Therefore, you got this piece of info from a book that says it represents what the Warren Volumes say. So again, where did you get this story from - a Jim Marrs book, a Mark Lane book? Or which documentary?

[@tamesiagarner1489]

She says very little as this author likes the sound of his own voice

[@peterfraser9070]

"she says very little as this author likes the sound of his own voice": And you're a sore loser. lol

[@randallanthony1794]

The his lady couldn't tell the truth for any reason.shes is like the devil completely dishonest at every level

[@whahappened8398]

There's something about Ruth..

[@patricklavelle4615]

Yeah, she's CIA.

[@ltltraffic5409]

Yea, she's a CIA asset.

[@geneguidone6085]

​@@patricklavelle4615no she is smart

[@ghostdance56]

@@geneguidone6085 - The Paynes were CIA son, it's no longer even debatable in 2024. Just sayin'

[@algonzales1809]

The face of evil.

[@aaronz7056]

Ruth Paine: takes in a young mother fleeing an abusive husband, tries to help them get back on their feet, and for that she gets to spend the next 60 years watching armchair detectives and crackpot conspiracy idiots accuse away at her without evidence so long as it suits their "theories."

[@peterfraser9070]

The face of evil.: And you're a bizarre weirdo

[@cedarabbey]

Heh. Evil never dies.

[@davecody4326]

Sketchy

[@Mrrobackenson1]

She is CIA & fancied Marina.

[@jhb134]

Ruth sent letters to Marina; these were collected from the Paine garage.

[@JohnJohnson-pq4qz]

@@jhb134 Yes, described as "love letters" and lesbian porn films were also said to have been found.

[@jhb134]

@@JohnJohnson-pq4qz - ... yes, and we can be sure she'd still DENY any, such evidence. After 60 years, this lady knows how to side-step certain realities, that she'll (to be sure) never admit to. Her late husband ... Michael ... maintained until the end, that Oswald was the gunman. It's almost difficult to see WHY she and others want to cling-to their stories and/or theories, after so long a time, incl. Posner, of course. Certain, reasonable researchers won't even begin to accept that LBJ might've had a definite hand, in the plot or cover-up. We'll keep trying to "divine" the real truth.

[@JohnJohnson-pq4qz]

@@jhb134 Apparently, the number of people who believe in "conspiracy" in the USA is slowing falling, despite the mountain of evidence. The mainstream media seldom deviates from the official story. Although the right wing seems all in now (despite it being orginaly a "Liberal" cause lead by east coast civil rights people like Lane , Salandria, Sylvia Myer etc) but its getting lumped in with the silly Alex Jones type stuff. so ultimately that could hurt the search for truth if the JFK coup is equated with "election deniers".

[@jhb134]

@@JohnJohnson-pq4qz - That's true, John! The "official" version of 11/22/63 should simply be scrapped, but this will NOT happen, even in the face of the evidence that's appeared, since the Warren Commission. The simplest of truths is, and remains, that JFK was shot in the throat, and the right temple (and at around T3, in the back/shoulder blade area, of course). Other shots were fired, that hit near-to a manhole cover, and the curb, next to James Tague (by the Triple Underpass). The mainstream media still will not make any, thorough investigation of its own, for some reason. It's up to those of us (esp. the fine researchers - Mark Groubert, Vince Palamara and others) to keep striving towards what could remain, of an ultimate resolution.

[@Stefano-lz7ln]

Tell the truth or go out of balls!

[@Michael-it6gb]

5 minutes of yap before we get to the point. Can we shorten these presentations to a minute tops.

[@circussounds855]

so…..Ruth Paine for almost 60 years is still capitalizing on her relationship with Lee & Marina Oswald. I’m sure she doesn’t do it (speaking engagements, consulting fees etc.) for free….. Marina Oswald Porter was recently offered some 3 million (us$) as a consultant for a movie & she turned it down as i’m sure she has many times. i wonder how much Ruth has made exploiting her point of view?

[@randyharris3175]

If somenody offered you money what would you do? The real people exploiting this is the BS conspiracy writers and film makers sucking off the blood of JFK. At least Miss Paine is telling the truth and nothing disputes it at 60 years.

[@stevenuanna4747]

She doesn’t need the money, she comes from one of the wealthiest families in the country. Quakers are wealthy too. Some of the wealthiest. Ruth wants us to think she is a peaceful person and doesn’t understand things like political murder. She is a phony and helped set Lee up. And it’s a waste of time listening to her until she comes clean. That probably won’t happen. She might have tennis shoes on but she is from the upper crust, they call the shots and why would she get down off that high horse.

[@JohnJohnson-pq4qz]

They should have asked the lying hag when the last time she spoke to Marina was? If they were such good friends? Try 1964...and in Marina's WC testimony she says herself that the secret service told her to stay away from Ruth Paine ...because she was connected to the CIA.

[@JohnJohnson-pq4qz]

@@randyharris3175 They should have asked the lying hag when the last time she spoke to Marina was? If they were such good friends? Try 1964...and in Marina's WC testimony she says herself that the secret service told her to stay away from Ruth Paine ...because she was connected to the CIA.

[@aaronz7056]

You forgot she has been classy enough not to sink into the gutter suing crackpot idiots like Vince Palamara, Mark Groubert or Gary Fannin for slander as those clowns keep cranking out video after video accusing her without any evidence.

[@tula1433]

I can’t believe she’s still alive. Probably drinking baby blood

[@bobtaylor170]

It goes without saying that none of you who disbelieves Ruth Paine has read any of the seriously researched books about the assassination, such as Gerald Posner's "Case Closed" and Vincent Bugliosi's "Reclaiming History."

[@winnieblews]

Lololllll

[@bobtaylor170]

@@winnieblews and that is supposed to pass for a serious argument? You're idiotic. It would be nice if you actually had something constructive or interesting to say. I'd be glad to engage the assertion. But you haven't got any assertions. That usually follows not knowing one damned thing about a topic.

[@stevenuanna4747]

What about Gus Russo. Another author who presents a trove of information and then amazingly comes to the conclusion “Oswald did it” To explain all the mysterious things going on they say “maybe someone else was involved” but rest assured it was Lee Harvey Oswald that pulled the trigger. CASE CLISED. Pitiful.

[@bobtaylor170]

@@stevenuanna4747 read my reply to the brilliant @winnieblews It applies equally to you. Neither one of you knows a thing about the assassination. Your "information" comes from maybe the most dishonest film ever made, JFK. I suggest that in addition to watching those two videos, you look for the plentiful online information which will inform you how flagrantly dishonest that movie is. I'm 71. I remember the assassination. I have been open to all remotely credible conspiracy ideas. If you examine them, they all crumble like corpses dug up after six hundred years.

[@richardsimons6978]

@ bobtaylor170 LOL "seriously researched" All that pulp has been debunked. It is you who've never read any of the research (or even essays) that supports the alternative view!

[@JohnnylMr]

Liar.

[@ltltraffic5409]

I don't believe a word this lady says.

[@MickeyWilson-ql7zx]

Bullshit

[@joaquinpraveenvishnu8509]

Then you should contact your physician to get a cognitive test

[@bobtaylor170]

​@@joaquinpraveenvishnu8509amen!!!

[@JerjerB]

Then maybe it's time you re-evaluate your moral compass 🧭

[@ltltraffic5409]

@@joaquinpraveenvishnu8509 Maybe you should take one. You're brain dead.