An Honest Debate On Whether Joe Biden Should Drop Out (w/ Mehdi Hasan)

[@hiamgozaine8834]

Agree 100% with Mehdi about Biden not mentioning project 2025. Biggest mistake!!!

[@francine5536]

@hiamgozaine8834 💯 I'm dumbfounded why more people aren't putting that at the forefront. That 💩 is terrifying.

[@10054760]

Where were the moderators who claimed their only job was to ask questions? A high school kid would have known to ask that question. Why wasn’t the first question to trump - why should Americans vote for a convicted felon for president. Doesn’t character count? Biden can’t answer his questions, point out trump hasn’t answered his questions and ask the questions too. The moderators wanted the spotlight, they could have done their jobs. We know they didn’t do their jobs because trump praised them both the next day - which is what CNN, Tapper & Bash seemed to think was most important

[@powderedtoastfacekillah734]

That’s half of his problem…communication

[@nakfoor1846]

Maybe some of his donors actually would love to see the regulatory state dismantled.

[@Thezuule1]

@@francine5536they aren’t even trying to hide it either.

[@paulnagle7017]

What were they thinking, trotting Biden all over New York for events that day?! He should have been getting a massage, taking a steam bath, etc

[@KayaKLady]

To saying nothing of his European trip prior to the debate

[@jannichi6431]

A Nap too

[@njosborne6152]

💙🙏🏽✔️OTE because you can💙🔔💙 If the President wanted to do something before the debate, and or after the debate, he could’ve talked with Ben Meidas before the debate! Get him to relax. That would have been far better 👈🏽 💙🙏🏽✔️OTE because you can💙🔔💙

[@ebert8756]

Yeah i felt like it was obvious his support crew failed him.

[@ebert8756]

I straight up had that thought - what did they do to him today? He was clearly exhausted

[@noelbrian55]

We can’t say this is the most important election in American history and put forward a candidate that cannot formulate a single coherent thought in an hour and a half debate. It can’t happen.

[@iv2sab512]

The GOP is running a convicted felon who attacked the Capitol after he lost the last election. Tossing out our leading candidate and incumbent president for one bad debate can't happen either. That's not how this works.

[@snarf0596]

If democracy is really on the ballet, then why would you put up a guy who can't remember what day it is. Who isn't strong enough to stand up to Trump, he can't even stand up to Bibi.

[@thatinternetdude1392]

it's happening.

[@Paul152]

@@thatinternetdude1392Name your fairytale candidate.

[@thatinternetdude1392]

@@Paul152 Not Joe Biden.

[@fatesrequiem]

Jon and Mehdi are KILLING this debate. Jon’s point about the media attention is 1000% on point and it will SUCK THE AIR OUT OF THE ROOM on Trump.

[@threeofeight197]

I liked the point about incumbency best. The post Covid/Ukraine war economy is hurting a lot of ppl and they blame Biden, even if it isn’t rational. Let someone new build on what Joe has done and voice the message of the party. “Generic Democrat” has been polling WAY better against Trump than Biden. Let’s get “Generic Democrat” on the ballot today!!!

[@stephanieleclercq5781]

Bc of the media pundits and allies like them, it sure will

[@paulorganisation1]

People have normalised trump's character. If someone who was in a coma for over 10years woke up and wached that debate, it won't be biden the person would be talking about.

[@gabs7506]

I agree! Trump was insane and completely wrong on so many levels. I can’t believe the conversations going on about him dropping out with nobody talking about who is going to replace him that can beat him.

[@captain_context9991]

Thats the trick. Normalise a status of absolute craziness. He lied 6 times on the first question. Overwhelming any attempt at fact checking. We would not ever have made it to question 3 if they would have stopped at every lie. The system is just not made for people who dont give a shit.

[@georgebrutko6467]

Love how they say Biden had a bad night. Have it all over the news, but say nothing about Trump.

[@gabs7506]

@@georgebrutko6467 yep! I’m disappointed in many of these folks right now.

[@SkywalkerSamadhi]

My dad has been full MAGA since 2016, and I remember being genuinely shocked the first time he told me he was leaning his way because Trump represented every single thing he used to rail against. Born with the silver spoon, playing golf endlessly, inviting the Clintons to his wedding, lies upon easily proven lies, etc.. and when Trump started flipping on his politics I was shocked that my dad fell into his orbit. But I’ve said to my father many times that if he had fallen into a coma in 2013 and woke up now he would be absolutely horrified at Trump. His policies and his endless lies. All of it. But because he has allowed himself to be radicalized and because they turned into a party of hate and grievance he is now all about the hate and the grievance. And my father was never like that before. I swear in 30 years they are going to discover some hidden subliminal messages under Fox News and right wing KZbin channels like Rush Limbaugh that will explain why so many older people who used to be decent have just flipped into people that many of us do not recognize.

[@mypillowguy445]

I want a president that can do the job, not a guy that can lie smoothly about the job _he_ did.

[@SassySimian]

You mean a guy who can lie smoothly about the job he _never_ did? Unless you meant lie smoothly about the job that _Biden_ did.

[@KingMapleSeed]

I think we all do and we would all vote for a rock over Trump. But we need someone who can actually finish a sentence, literally any other democrat would have eviscerated Trump on stage. I don’t want to bet our nations democracy with someone who clearly shouldn’t be running

[@kraigamendt9525]

Democrats voted for Democrat Marianne Williamson

[@kraigamendt9525]

Republicans voted for Republican Joe Biden

[@jacqdanieles]

I want a candidate that *will win.* Biden cannot. He was supposed to be a 1 termer. He did a great job, but he cannot handle a 2nd term.

[@jeannieh7119]

I love these guys. In general, I think all of the talk about if Biden should drop out and what would have to happen is just content filler. Yet it causes some to pause and think what if which loses confidence in Biden. Yes, the story is Biden did a crappy job at the debate, but this debate doesn't matter. Biden has already proven he can do this job and do it extremely well. What matters is the other guy is a convicted felon, an insurectionist, a rapist, and a narcissist liar. That's the story that should be pushed every day. Not how one night President Biden did a crappy job. Yes, the debate was important, but let's keep our eye on the true story.

[@Lithanify]

What Trump is didn't change at all on Thursday. What an octogenarian was able to do is not a good test of what they can do now. I'll bet most people used to be able to eat peanut brittle. How many can at 86? Your brain goes downhill with age, same as teeth. Keeping your eyes on the true story got you a convicted felon leading polls by almost double digits. Trump is a candidate I assume you are scared to vote for. Biden is a candidate the people you WANT voting blue are scared to vote for. Trump is too. Do you want to play chicken with who is more scary to independents between Biden and Trump? Because polls say it isn't Trump.

[@sombersongs]

I voted for Biden and understand that he has been one of the most effective presidents of my lifetime. He will lose to Trump, and our only chance is his stepping down to allow for a younger candidate. The first party to move beyond Trump or Biden will win.

[@FiendishThingy1965]

One important question your debate didn’t address, that I hope will be discussed on PSA this coming week: If Biden leaves the race, What are the risks of bypassing Harris as the replacement nominee?

[@yujuy.1329]

idc im voting for Biden.

[@hogweed1975]

The way professional Democrats close ranks right now is downright scary. It's really fucking scary. Donald Trump is unfit for office, but although for different reasons, Joe Biden is too. That's just a fact. If democracy is really on the line, and I believe it is, it's really really scary that people that say they believe that too are not willing to do what needs to be done here to actually save it.

[@cedrikthibert7033]

@@hogweed1975 Scary because against Biden, Trump will win easy with swing voters.

[@mtns340]

I feel like they are probably talking about it behind the scenes. No candidate ever admits weakness during a campaign until the actual moment they drop out.

[@hogweed1975]

​@@mtns340 Just have the messy open convention. It would fit 100% with the narrative that democracy is on the line. The campaign slogan could literally be: this is what democracy looks like. If someone seems incompetent: we hold a vote, and vote him out. We debate, we bicker, we fight, until we resolve. That can look messy, but it is for the better. If there's a problem, that's how we tackle it. This is what democracy looks like. If you don't want that, all this fighting, bickering, all this messy stuff, there is a Big Fascist Leader you can vote for this time. He will end all that. But that's not how we roll. We are not only Democrats, but also democrats. We will discuss, bicker, fight, and then hold a vote. We do it like that, because we believe in it. Either do it like that, or be exactly the same as Republicans: refusing to see and acknowledge the blaring obvious flaws of your candidate.

[@Lithanify]

@@hogweed1975 I mean calling Biden Incompetent in their own statements wouldn't go over well; but if they flowered up the language a little... that is EXACTLY the path they need to take.

[@TS-vf3bm]

Joe did say that he would retire after one term. Google it. Go back and read all the old googles about Joe saying that he would step down after one term

[@MISSYGful]

😮 So why didn't he???

[@jarheadmarine5655]

Because he forgot

[@1marcelo]

@@jarheadmarine5655 LOL this is too funny

[@ghostfrequencies]

this is so delusional. people are starving for honesty so just be honest for a moment instead of desperately doing damage control

[@davidyemm7910]

I hate how American politics has been reduced to the equivalent of electing a high school prom King or queen.

[@Tortilla.Reform]

It’s always been a popularity contest

[@sharkulashairstylist5505]

We need to rebuild our dignity, look at the coup in Bolivia... There in jail right now and that happened this week... We're f'ed w/o justice. We need an FBI and DoJ that will stop the foreign influence in our elections and protect us/ president is picked by russia china saudi arabia, electoral collage and supreme court... votes do not matter anymore... Without donald trump in prison innocent people are at risk and will die. We need our laws to work. chris wray and the supreme court are SUPER political wings of nazism... OPENLY fascist. All you have to do is look. With fascists in power positions America is at war with itself...

[@stevendurrant1724]

It’s not a coincidence that a rapist got to be president via a reality show. I’d recommend people read Society Of The Spectacle. The text is easily found online

[@WilliamPappas-b6o]

The worst part about the debate was the Democratic reaction to it

[@aylbdrmadison1051]

@@Tortilla.Reform : Yes, but to a much smaller degree than today. People used to have to read policy more than they do now. Media in Capitalism is based on sensationalism, the bottom line. As time has gone on,. propaganda has become far more insidious, and more effective and the "both-sides" propaganda has made many Americans just become apathetic. In 2020 95 million didn't vote.

[@andreallheart]

It's really frustrating to have sharp charismatic Democratic governors and they aren't our nominee

[@GeoScorpion]

Think Independent voters. Now think of a governor that would appeal to one in a non-coastal state.

[@donaldvonglitchenberger4108]

third election in a row democrats have no say in their nominee

[@joeybulford9055]

You mean like Newsom? Sorry I don’t want the entire country to become Oakland.

[@GeoScorpion]

@@joeybulford9055 Oh! NO! Newsom works for Xi Jinping and happily overlooks slavery, genocide, oppression and coal mines so long as they ("NIMBY") keep it hidden. He is the guy with the Colgate smile who sends his other people out to seal the deals and lug suitcases full of cash. He is like all Progressives: "I have a magic wand so long as you do not pull aside the curtain!"

[@prosperoeaton8201]

@@GeoScorpion Whitner and Shapiro fit that description.

[@Kassofan]

The guys ignored Mehdi's very apt point about a new nominee possibly able to win back Michigan and other voters disgusted by Biden's Gaza policy.

[@kaylaa4202]

Yes they did

[@Dot-u4m]

Biden is tied with trump in Michigan. and the protest votes will go to Biden not the guy that did the Moslem ban!

[@Afinati]

It's chilling, really.

[@DizzyBusy]

They're a bunch of "enlightened centrists" when it comes to the situation in Palestine/Israel. That's easily where I disagree with them the most

[@loneranterism]

Lack of a honest debate during primaries is the reason we're here.

[@teresaboone893]

trump never answered 1 question truthfully.

[@florence9556]

I am still so ticked off about that.

[@marklindeman9428]

Uhhh....what primaries?

[@madmaverickmatt]

​@@6sfo If not then we need to get the hang of it real quick!

[@becka_boo]

I agree. Limiting the chances for heathy primary debates is partly to blame for this conundrum.

[@carolmckee8456]

You just didn't understandTrump's H2O remark bc you never had an uncle who taught at MIT.

[@artemisfowl2820]

🤣🤣😂

[@artemisfowl2820]

🤣🤣😂

[@teresaboone893]

No one can get on a dummy like trumps wavelength. Unless your a trumphumper.

[@patfua]

How many people in the US can drink their water, or even shower in it?

[@elaineburnett5230]

MIT is not genetic

[@SaltheartFoamfollower]

In order to put off the Project 2025 for 4 more years, I will vote for Joe Biden and The Democrat party and all the good people he has surrounding him, even if they have to prop up Joe's body like a Weekend at Bernie's for the next 4 years.

[@humphreybradley3060]

💯!

[@stephanieann3456]

Weekend at the White House 😂 I love it, & I agree 💯!

[@theomegajuice8660]

Same... but you realise none of the people like us in the comments are going to be the kind of people who decide this election. Convincing OURSELVES to vote Biden is the really easy bit

[@lindaamason2804]

Yes. And he has Harris as back up

[@SampleThisJams]

Why does everyone make it about them. It’s about how the people who will decide the election feel in swing states and they likely aren’t the same as you.

[@artemisfowl2820]

Time to DUMP tRUMP! And HELL NO to Project 2025!!!

[@Jackie371]

I just can't wait until we never hear about or from Donald Trump ever again.

[@AffirmativeArtsOnTheRoad]

I feel the same way, unfortunately I seriously doubt that day will come during our lifetimes...or, even scarier, our children or grandchildren's lifetimes....sorry to say it....

[@mrpetielicious5861]

Even if he dies some day, science will find a way to keep his loud mouth alive.

[@GreyKnight7777]

I said the same thing in the early 90's when his casinos went bust and he filed for bankruptcy. I'm still waiting.

[@AS-oy5rg]

I agree with Mehdi about the moderators. Even though Biden failed to do his part, that doesn't let the moderators off the hook. They were both useless in the process.

[@elibnem4126]

I'd also argue trump did absolutely nothing good in that debate either and I'd like to see more talk about that,rather than all this panic.

[@Ataraxia_Atom]

Its not moderators responsibility to make the case, or argue a side. Trump tee'd up so many softballs for biden to knock out of the park. Not only did biden whiff it but he thought he was playing soccer.

[@alandbs329]

@@elibnem4126well that’s not going to happen cos Biden is objectively brain dead. Sooooo, cope harder? 😅

[@vincentbernal635]

Moderators should not be the ones debating the president. That leads to fox anchors fact checking democrats and CNN anchors fact checking Republicans. It should be 1 v 1 not a handicap. The candidates should be the ones calling out the lies.

[@sherryarch7374]

I agree. They did not do a fair job.

[@csunedchic]

The people in my circle of Democrats turned off the debate after the first 15 minutes. In addition we are all still strong Biden supporters for another 4 years.

[@aurea24santos]

Good for you, save democracy vote blue 💙

[@kiki__21]

The problem is that this isn’t about you and your Democrat friends. It’s about all the persuadable voters in swing states. By now, they’ve either watched the debate or have seen clips about it , as there’s absolutely no shortage of them on social media and news platforms. I don’t know how any of the on-the-fence people could watch Biden horrendous performance and think Biden was capable of leading this country for 4.5 more years. All he did was confirm all the negative rumors swirling around him for the last couple of years. We must have a conversation about options. I genuinely believe Biden will cost us this election. He was losing going into the debate, and he absolutely destroyed his chances by the end of it.

[@sharongrandi6903]

@@aurea24santos same here

[@HZ-fg9sf]

But you guys are not the voters we need to convince to win.

[@Marty_Wanlass]

We owe it to the future to discuss possibilities. There are other ways to go.

[@keff5984]

Everyone seems to be avoiding the elephant in the room, which is the sundowning that we watched. I have been decently satisfied with Biden's term, but he is incapable of remaining for 4 more years he will continue to decline, he doesn't stay at the level he is now. 2020 was close enough. If he remains he will not win

[@cfsk6h34]

If only they had a black woman who could successfully run on a policy affecting women. Someone who doesnt rock the boat yet has been in the public eye and legally allowed to use campaign funds...

[@KLS775]

@@cfsk6h34will lose all male voters though Change the whole ticket

[@timurghirotto]

The real issue is why is Biden running again when back in 2020 it seemed clear to all of us that he would be a one term president.

[@peterrobinson1041]

i thiught that miight be true but it was nrver exp licitl y s t a t ed

[@michaeldeaton]

Because incumbency is a massive advantage

[@wanderlustworldschooling543]

Because all of the early polling showed that he was still the only option able to beat trump. They tried polling with numerous potential candidates. They just didn’t poll high enough. That’s what is so sad about this situation. I have no doubt that Joe didn’t actually WANT to run again. I’m sure he would much rather enjoy his final years. But he felt obligated since he was the only name polling high enough to win. 😞

[@Mean_Mr_Grinch]

This

[@fiveadaybluewave]

Biden never said that. Never promised that.

[@yettyadeyelu8672]

I love Massachusetts' Governor, I'm so proud of her. Democracy matters this coming November 5th.

[@PearseNation]

I wish we had this conversation more seriously earlier on.

[@felisenpai9625]

That wouldn't work, It's because we had a strong primary performance while Trump was dealing with Idiots like DeSantis, Vivek, Tim Scott, and was getting beat around by centre right woman in Republican primary, it showed Biden strength in comparison to Trump who actually lost Vermont to Nikky, we would be screwed with competitive primary from 2020 this time around. Sadly now we lost that advantage, we are still the party that actually legislates, done a lot, was fairly united, but we lost the strength and vitality argument. We need to ensure that we change Biden because he is just to old as a candidate, not because he would be bad president. I would like to see on the day of the convention, Biden open with a speech endoring Kamela and Kamela already having a ready strong ticket with some centre left liberal as vice president to appeal to working class. MAYBE SHAPIRO? someone like that.

[@Morning404]

@@felisenpai9625 Kamala cannot win. Come on, it's ridiculous to suggest she can win. They need to pick someone else, maybe Gavin Newsom.

[@jefff7287]

Yes....like an ACTUAL democracy would and should do!

[@tewa9614]

We did. Sorry that you weren't paying attention. The question - and conundrum - then, is the same as it is now: If not Biden, then whom? Give us a name. All the alternatives that get trotted out were polling way behind Trump, "earlier on".

[@nancychandler367]

Why? Biden is fine. Ignore the British Muslim from India. He's one ignorant arse. 🙄

[@AmyEugene]

If we don't have an open convention then I think we need to talk about President Kamala Harris. I think that's where we're headed, if not now then by 2028. Joe Biden has done great things and had a great career, but past performance is not an indicator of his ability for the next four years. Communication is probably the most important skill a president needs and I'm not convinced he could have productive discussions over the phone with world leaders. If we have another 9/11 level crisis, his staff can't just say he's having one of his bad days and try again tomorrow morning after he's slept 8 hours. People have questioned how involved Reagan was his last year in office, we don't need that, that's not democracy. I'll vote for ANY Democrat. We need to get the undecideds.

[@lorih1524]

Exactly

[@Dot-u4m]

THIS WAS ONE BAD NIGHT. YOU ARE OVER REACTING. LOOK AT HIS SPEECH THE NEXT DAY IN NORTH CAROLINA. WHAT A BUNCH OF WIMPS!

[@captain_context9991]

Thats the trick. Normalise a status of absolute craziness. He lied 6 times on the first question. Overwhelming any attempt at fact checking. We would not ever have made it to question 3 if they would have stopped at every lie. The system is just not made for people who dont give a shit.

[@BeatTrump]

There are too many on our side that fail to see the larger picture. We need to fight Trump. We aren't going to do it by abandoning Biden.

[@oldhollywoodfan8009]

I agree. And this is how I see it. The wall climbing MAGAts are loyal to their convicted felon. We can remain loyal to our senior citizen. #voteblue up and down the ticket.

[@patfua]

You have to walk the walk. How much TIME have you given?

[@TheHauntedKiwi]

​@@BeatTrumpBiden is the only person who can lose. What a sad comment and name.

[@madmaverickmatt]

​@@BeatTrump We have to fight tRump yes, but to do that we need a candidate that can at least verbally fight tRump and Biden has showed us that he can't do that. Forcing him on us as the candidate is how we lose to tRump. We win by being strategic and putting up a candidate that has actual progressive values and is willing to fight for them. Someone that the American public believes in. That's not Joe

[@-HRH]

Alley cat morality is used pejoratively in this saying because they are promiscuous, thieving, and feral. A very apt description of The Orange Goon.

[@michaeldeaton]

These twits know this. They just have never wanted Biden, even back when Obama picked him as his VP. They have these deluded fantasies in their heads of magical super progressive forever 35 year old candidates that are also nationally viable that they think can just come flying in on a cloud to rescue them every time they have to work hard to actually live up to their supposed principles. I love American democracy. I love Western Democracy. I fear dictatorship creating the true American Empire, and the death of Western Democracy that comes with it. I'd vote for the Corpse of Biden over a young hale Trump in his prime any day.

[@Ed_ed-154]

The 1800s called and want their insult (and Biden) back. 40% of people hate trump 100% of people understand Joe Biden is mentally and physically unwell Good luck lol

[@KayaKLady]

Thank you!

[@Ed_ed-154]

The 1800s called and they want their insults and candidate back

[@alandbs329]

So cool! You can use those big words in November when you lose. 😂

[@TheWildWahine]

Mehdi mentions GAZA and crickets. Nothing. No response.

[@toughguychumzee]

Yes, Americans simply haven’t heard enough about Gaza already….

[@ek9696]

@@toughguychumzee Yea cause its not like they simply aren't still doing mass funding of carnage STILL. Its not like its another Iraq 2.0 but way worse.....

[@christophercrawford2917]

I just pause this episode to make a comment at this point the alley cat. Reference maybe old school. But if you know alley, can't they have sex very loudly anywhere everywhere without consideration? I think it is a perfect comparison

[@3zObafouzr]

just call trump a rapist or atleast a sex pest

[@debrasnider7116]

The criminal should drop out

[@masiejones4127]

I don’t care if he does good in the debate..I am voting for joe Biden..we have to save this country!!

[@EdKnowlton]

Name one policy trump put in place that hurt the American worker during his presidency .. you can't they all helped the average worker .

[@MarkDouglass-dt9ky]

Is Mehdi Hasan a Muslim?

[@StinkCabbage]

​@@MarkDouglass-dt9kyYes...and?

[@SunSet-vh6jt]

It's time for us to take a dose of self awareness. 1st. Obama asked RBG to step down so he could replace her. She refused. It's lack of strategy and ego that got roe overturned. 2nd. It's okay for our leaders to ignore the law when we disagree? Thats not how it works. If we support that we are saying its okay for the other side to do it also. But instead of cheering you'll be crying.

[@karencolclasure1985]

RBG served us well & dignified the SCOTUS with her service. When would you have had her retire?Even IF the Senate had approved any replacement of RBG that Obama endorsed, the MAGA-selected appointees would still outnumber the others. Remember McConnell not even allowing Obama candidate Merrick Garland a confirmation vote in the Senate? The undemocratic, power hungry, traitorous Rethuglicans blocked Obama's constitutional right to appoint a Supreme Court justice his last year in office. McConnell should have been sanctioned/impeached for being a traitor to our constitution to which he swore an oath to uphold.

[@annsanse2935]

it's too bad that we have to measure the worth of our candidates by their performance in the dog and pony show debates.

[@Tcb0835]

Couldn't agree more 👍

[@gabs7506]

We don’t HAVE to measure it that way. Unfortunately some people do measure it that way and it’s not helpful.

[@elaineburnett5230]

I totally agree....politics is not a TV show.

[@madmaverickmatt]

This isn't about his performance per say. It's about the fact that we all saw him get his ass handed to him but someone that a third grader could have beaten. He cant keep up. That is literally the point of the debates. For lack of a better analogy, we kicked the tires and found dryrot.

[@TheHauntedKiwi]

Well let's live in fantasy land where Biden can still win

[@sandymedeiros8414]

Still voting for Biden!!!!!

[@mikefranson3209]

Me too keep him on the ballot 😂😂😂 definitely biden I love him❤ 😂😂😂😂

[@ammaopoku5397]

Me too

[@christopherchilton-smith6482]

He's the only realistic option at this point.

[@1marcelo]

@@christopherchilton-smith6482 He needs to endorse somebody else. Somebody younger. Anybody would do.

[@christopherchilton-smith6482]

@@1marcelo Well firstly he would just need to endorse someone that has more mental acuity, someone mentally nimble they could even be older as long as they come across as well put together and verbally strong but like I said, he I the only *realistic* option at this point.

[@johnwhitney1439]

The Alley Cat reference goes over well with us Boomers😂

[@outgoingbot]

As Freud would say, "Sometimes an Alley Cat is just a Big Dick"

[@Dot-u4m]

Also, the reference to Herbert Hoover was because trump said he didn't want to be compared to Herbert Hoover. Hoover and trump both had highest unemployment numbers in history.

[@Daria-dp8to]

We don't harp about it, we go with what he's done for the Country & the fact that the Felon just lied every second. You stand with the man for democracy, period! VOTE BLUE AMERICA 🇺🇸!!

[@sassenachdragon]

So you’re saying we have NO ONE better?? If so that’s more of an indictment on our party.

[@Dot-u4m]

Thank you ! I agree!

[@DianaECohen1224]

I absolutely think he should stay in and I absolutely intend to vote for him if Trump can run a presidency from prison Joe Biden can run one from a nursing home

[@countryboynetwork7589]

😂

[@cassandratq9301]

Pretty good point.

[@nancychandler367]

Hear Hear. 💙

[@Connor8609]

Great , now fucking convince any one of the Independents in the swing states with that argument, otherwise you're entirely useless.

[@Dot-u4m]

Joe Biden will be fine. By the way he saved two auto plants from shutting down and recently saved the pensions of union workers. I am retired UAW. Being a single mom those benefits meant everything. Joe Biden works for Americans not himself. He is old but he will make it!

[@kerrypond6791]

I’m going with Biden. I even donated to his campaign

[@Afinati]

Abigail Disney gave $350,000 in 2020 to the Democrats. She said that until Biden is replaced, she won't be dumping a cent into the sinking ship. Can you match rich donors' withdrawals and young voters' revulsion because despite a night of unverified campaign earnings, I suspect things are quite rocky. Also, just curious - who gives money to a sitting president? Like, yeah, they have to privately finance their campaign ... but they've got enough stupidly powerful friends to finance them and the world's largest free media access.

[@williepete45]

Maybe you guys should be demanding the convicted felon drop out instead.

[@curtisjackson4282]

This is the problem with the democratic party. Instead rallying behind their candidate like the republican party they jump ship. They're making the republican party case .

[@aurea24santos]

The result of the debate doesn't matter.What matters the most are what are the policies that will benefit the American people and how it can be done.Please vote for Biden & Harris 2024 !!!❤ From Canada🎉

[@BooksForever]

It is impractical to ask a criminal to comply with requests. Think about it.

[@williepete45]

@@BooksForever People should still be reminded that a criminal shouldn’t be running for president

[@michaelschaefer1904]

His felony was at worst a misdemeanor in 99% of the country. The big lie was the hiding Biden was competent four years ago. He is an obvious puppet.

[@tphilli469]

Thank you for this honest discussion. It's incredibly important that we the coalition that opposes the convicted chaos clown have these serious conversations. I'm very disappointed and upset in Biden's campaign and the leadership right now. Burying our heads in the sand is NOT the answer.

[@marionchance9801]

I would rather have Biden's people running things, than Trump's people. Think about that. Trump vs Biden is evil vs feeble. (which, I think Biden was just run ragged the day of the debate, I know I could not have performed with that day's schedule. were some of his people Trump people? just asking) 3 events prior to a debate at 9 pm. I would of sucked also, I am 30 years younger.

[@donkeybus]

Biens' people that told us Biden was fine?? That rifgged the primaries and didn't tell biden to step down which basically ensures we get trump again? this is pure delusion. RFK Jr is cleary the best option at this point (oh, and he's not anti-vax!)

[@kevinmoore734]

Biden warmonger record in his 45 years in government has caused misery around the globe. You know nothing. Blood on your hands.

[@emmygoldman1065]

The DNC needs to have a contingency plan, REGARDLESS of whether they expect Biden to step down. They need to have a strong front runner organized and ready asap, if they don’t already. There is a non-zero chance that Biden could kick it before November. I know that’s a tough pill to swallow but I’m shocked more democrats aren’t talking about that.

[@OrigamiMarie]

Ideally, the current VP would be popular enough that they could move her up and draw a new VP name from a hat (probably a boring middle aged white guy, just to calm some voters down). But sadly, while she makes a reasonable VP, people aren't proposing a preemptive succession plan. And that means it doesn't even matter if she could do the job. I feel like there's something wrong with the current political system, that new young people aren't being mentored and endorsed into elected office before the current office holders get old and senile (not just the president). Well, I guess I know a lot of what's wrong in the legislative branch; the seniority system is so powerful that your state is better off with a high seniority nearly-dead cat in office, than a competent, energetic young person. Ohhh . . . I guess this might be the dynasty system breaking down.

[@donkeybus]

rfk jr is the answer, listen to him for yourself don't beleive the lies about him being "anti vax" from the same people who told us Biden was fine and youthful.....

[@willchristie2650]

Biden better be careful around staircases, especially if others are around.

[@ceezb5629]

Hey everyone, I found real democrats at The Meidas Touch KZbin channel. Where they acknowledge Biden did poorly in ONE debate but governed exceptionally well for the last 4 years. Cant believe I was following these guys before. They surely leaned on “We’re Obama guys” to get their following but the game is up, so disappointing. Biden one bad performance was enough for them to say “Trump the convict will win.” 😅

[@ceezb5629]

@@OrigamiMarieanyone but Kamala. She’s probably the one behind this whole “Biden old” conspiracy. Stacey Abrams would’ve been perfect had she been picked for VP.

[@musicfan5520]

Wow...First time viewing this channel, Bunch of smart dudes all around, every single one!

[@MaryWatters-g8e]

Agreed. These televised spitting contests are not debates.

[@alandbs329]

Cope harder. The emperor has no clothes, your Manchurian candidate got found out. Get ready for law and order. 😘

[@cedrikthibert7033]

@@MaryWatters-g8e But they have an impact with swing voters.

[@MikiCab1]

A little bit of me died when I watched that debate

[@canciondepaper]

Cheer up - Those three guys worked for Obama and forgot that Obama had a miserable FIRST debate and low polls and he won the presidency. Do not judge too quickly because fact checking was missing in that debate. Have fun/laugh and watch what a different makes a debate with fact checking from a fearless moderator - Kyle Clark - KZbin - *Full Debate: Colorado Congressional District 4 GOP Primary Debate*

[@michelehamilton961]

@@canciondepaper Obama was way younger and more charming and Romey while not perfect was not Trump. Trump will not pay fair, will lie at every opportunity and unlike Romey has people will vote for him no matter what. It is not the the same situation 😢

[@canciondepaper]

@@michelehamilton961 In my teens, I was attractive to charm and good looks. No longer! I rather have the wiser. You see, charm and good looks fade with time and wisdom grows. I used to worry 24/7 for this and that. What it got me - Nothing but stress. This bit of a problem is NOT a problem -at present, YOU are the only one that makes the decision and always will. You are wise enough to see the difference what GOOD is and what is BAD. Remember to Remember do NOT compare because every situation has a different outcome. Learn to LAUGH until you belly hurt. Worry NO longer and TRUST all is well; otherwise, you will be miserable. BIG hug and wishing ALL the best to you

[@Connor8609]

@@canciondepaper Obama was not 82 or senile. You can try and gaslight your way to saying this is the same, but it's such a half assed attempt and will not work.

[@canciondepaper]

@@Connor8609 Sorry but I am massively confused. May you kindly let me know which portion of my many comments said “this is the same” because since I have breath, nothing is the same; maybe, *similar* but never the same. Nowadays people are *QUICK* to judge, insult, and blame and go into panic because their ignorance and miserable lives, frankly they forgot living their own life and let others to live as well *(personal opinion) * I respect your insulting opinion *old and senile* - I can only hope you respect mine I always voluntarily *respect and adore* my parents and grandparents, they taught to be patience and kind to others and NEVER FEAR the future because is NOT here and KARMA is always on time. The lack of FAITH is unbelievable - You get the same or more of what you give *“I have all my marbles” Dick Van Dyke, 98* All the best

[@armi4276]

When you get backed down, you get back up! True indeed, words of a man with integrity and honor!

[@rlud304]

Yeah He wrote that🙄😆

[@AM-fs1je]

Knocked down

[@koftli8997]

Words of a man whose ego is leading us to project 2025.

[@Morning404]

You Biden stans need to get real - I'm a liberal progressive and can see Biden hasn't got what it takes anymore. We need a strong representative who can take on trump - Biden seemed sleepy and slurred a lot of his words. This WON'T help us win Independents.

[@janicearroyo-wright8529]

I'm no right winger, but when you spend that much time on the floor and can never get up on your own it's time to call it. Any other person would have a walker or be in a wheelchair by now.

[@JerryBlock-w1h]

Please keep telling yourselves that he just had a “bad night”. Every Republican wants Joey to stay in the race. Also, can you pls stop globing onto his 60-second speech in Raleigh where it was old man yelling at the clouds and saying absolutely nothing. If your bar is that he has a pulse, you guys are totally screwed in November. 😂

[@jeaneanehill532]

An 80 year old here. I’ma little slower but I made a quick dash to contribute to Joe Biden. Then I saw his NC rally and added even more to my contribution. Stop all your negativity. I usually love you guys but …..be more positive. President Biden has a great record to run on.

[@mitzilinn]

Totally agree.

[@kathrynhohmann5697]

Jill B has entered the chat

[@terriperry]

I agree with you completely!!!

[@Dot-u4m]

You are so right. thank you!

[@nadinelp6114]

Im riding with Biden regardless, It’s about saving our democracy and I just donated to his campaign!

[@vashtibandy1614]

I donated right after the debate. It was bad, but he’s a good president. And the alternative is a wannabe dictator, convicted felon and rapist. I mean, it’s a no-brainer.

[@felisenpai9625]

It's not about you and me riding with Biden, most of us PodSaveAmerica fans are going to do it, just like most democrats in the centre left, far left and independents but what about those few leftist who already dropped him because Gaza, what about these young liberals from the centre who lost faith yesterday and want someone else, what about those never Trumpers independents who will stay at a couch (MSNBC coverage last night) WE HAD 40K VOTES OF BUFFER IN 3 STATES LAST ELECTION, LAST WEEK 538 and other preditcions already had Biden win only 270-269 with Trump, BY ONE ELECTORAL VOTE, THIS NEEDS A CONVENTION AND THE ATTENTION WE WOULD GET FROM IT.

[@jean-claudeb3235]

As a lifelong Democrat I just donated to Trump's campaign.

[@MileHile]

SAME!

[@MileHile]

​@@jean-claudeb3235 I donated and will vote (again) to support President Biden AND democracy.

[@Rsysas]

Let’s not forget the SCOTUS is showing its color and it’s terrifying. There will be a cost to undo this mess already

[@porquee]

Don't forget biden defended his fellow sexual predator clarance thomas during his confirmation. If bernie won 2016 or 2020 we would have such a better world

[@robertfetrow4612]

What exactly is so terrifying

[@Lithanify]

@@robertfetrow4612 They essentially said that regulatory agencies can't regulate without their approval. They're making themselves the shadow government, except not in the shadows.

[@CMark89]

It's only terrifying when they don't vote in favor of democrats? I thought y'all cared about democracy 🤔💭

[@jaymum23]

@@robertfetrow4612 What exactly isn’t terrifying?

[@skeptic_al]

Dan, aren’t you a strategist? Why don’t you see the third option? Biden retires, Harris becomes president and runs as the incumbent. No down side except Biden’s feelings, and they aren’t on the ballot. Democracy is.

[@texm2775]

Alley cats are male cats known for “sleeping” with many female cats. I loved when Biden said that because it was spot on for DT behavior.

[@dehagvall]

This group is too young to know this meaning of alley cat. There’s even a song from the 60’s that references it.

[@TheHauntedKiwi]

​@@dehagvallToo young meaning below the age of retirement

[@StephanieWalker-d2z]

Glad someone gets it!

[@theomegajuice8660]

That kind of old man joke might have felt charming if it didn't come after such an old man debate performance. I have found the "Grandpa Joe" schtick charming and delightful at many times in the past but it's just not helping right now

[@alandbs329]

@@theomegajuice8660careful pal. The folks who slavishly follow the party line will turn on you real quick. Mind yourself. 🙋‍♂️

[@kimberlybwalker11]

I don’t understand why there is no rule in these debates that if your opponent challenges your claim, you have to provide evidence to back it up. Give them the questions, let them prepare, and have the evidence to back their answers. Proper debate.

[@marthamckay4862]

CNN did a terrible job. Letting orange lie and lie and lie. Biden's podium was on the right, and he didn't have good eye contact.

[@emceeunderdogrising]

You've finally learned that debates are never about reiterating facts. It's just who has the best rhetoric. That's why I stopped enjoying debates a long time ago.

[@PimpessRockstar]

There's no need for the other commenter to be patronizing, but they are right. It's not about facts because that in power don't want it to be and the common person has difficulty telling when they are being lied to. It's about charisma.

[@RememberMeYeah]

How do you debate a LIAR?

[@carrieerickson6659]

Exactly

[@texm2775]

You can not if the moderators do not call out the lies. I feel they should also point out the lack of answering questions asked.

[@njebei]

With the truth. That's the problem. Trump gave dozens of opportunities to call out his lies but Biden's brain wasn't working fast enough to respond. Buttigieg, Newsome, Bernie, Liz Warren, and a dozen others would have crushed him.

[@MrPsychochickens]

Biden did it successfully before though....

[@avacadomangobanana2588]

Did Biden not do it four years ago bozo

[@lynnbauer1140]

Why is no one talking about a brokered GOP convention in Milwaukee?? Push Niki as a replacement for the felon.

[@sassenachdragon]

Because we need to keep the never Trumpers and Trump is a liability down ballot which we need. Shhhhh 🤫

[@sassenachdragon]

Shhhh 🤫 We need them to stick with their shitty lying ass candidate that hurts candidates down ballot, he’s also way too egotistical to let his delayed go for the sake of the party and his freedom.

[@Rebecca-qx1et]

Nope..still with our President. Go Joe!

[@carolynarroyo9266]

I'm still voting for President Biden, even this morning. Vote Blue

[@Lennybird91]

But nonetheless, he should step down. We are going to lose if he remains on the ticket. He's losing by every single metric compared to 2020. Alarm bells, people.

[@theomegajuice8660]

We don't just need people to STILL vote Biden. For him to win people currently not plannig to vote for him change their mind. He is losing and the path for him to catch feels like it just narrowed very sharply.

[@TheTopTurnchuckle]

Of course we will vote for him if thats the choice out of 2 we are left with. But that doesnt mean we should not demand change.

[@TheHauntedKiwi]

He's going to lose and it will be your fault for not listening to anyone with reason

[@ThePequenocristo]

Great. Everyone here is voting for Joe. However, the truth is clear that he is not fit. I would vote for any younger, fitter Democrat too.

[@francine5536]

Staying calm is really needed right now. Panic breeds panic and all this scrambling is really going to impact the undecided votes. One bad debate doesn't erase the good he is done but Biden really needs to be on his game the rest of the campaign.

[@madmaverickmatt]

The panic though is because people are realizing that the things we were a little afraid of are true and we haven't been paying attention. It's like forgetting to do part of a project and then realizing it's due in short order. The panic is warranted because we are running out of time to fix this.

[@canciondepaper]

Prior Presidents have a miserable bad First debate and low polls and they won - Nowadays, people enjoy misery and are too lazy to fact check because judging without no proofs is easier.

[@ek9696]

Lovett and the team couldn't WAIT to get off the Gaza topic any faster. 🤨😐🤐

[@DianaECohen1224]

You don't remember Trump saying one president I don't want to be like is Herbert Hoover so when Biden compares them it hits Trump hard

[@KayaKLady]

Absolutely!

[@theomegajuice8660]

I'm sure that was originally part of a plan to rile Trump up bit that kind of tactic requires Biden to have been in control of the discussion and he clearly wasn't.

[@cassandratq9301]

Totally forgot that. But so did everyone else.

[@Dot-u4m]

I remember. You are so right!

[@janaylward5636]

“Alley Cat” was an old fashioned reference to someone who screws around indiscriminately. Like trump.

[@iadorenewyork1]

It sounds kind of cool, though!

[@Connor8609]

Exactly, it's old as fuck and completely out of touch. Which is exactly what you don't want when you've now made age the primary issue of this election.

[@iadorenewyork1]

@@Connor8609 -- He could have used more forceful language. ALSO, it would be far better to spotlight Trump as a RAPIST, rather than being a horn dog or an "alley cat"!

[@paullavallee1631]

In Canada we pick our leaders based on policy and direction, Americans have a pageant

[@michaell6324]

Honestly, i think the debate section was excellent. I was split, but the points on: incumbancy, gaza and attention convinced me that there are a lot of opportunities with a contested convention

[@Dot-u4m]

Look Biden stands with Israel but everybody knows Netanyahu is dirty! Over thirty five thousand civilian Palestinians have been killed and one third of those are children. They are not Hamas. Netanyahu is keeping the war going to keep himself out of his court cases and stay in power. A contested convention would be a win for trump. We have to stand strong with President Biden. We have the best economy in the world right now! He is ahead in several polls!

[@trippeddownthestairs8238]

The Biden campaign's internal polling might be better. Joe Biden is getting all of the attention but Donald Trump's performance was terrible too. Frank Luntz hosted a focus group during the debate, and Donald Trump really tanked with Independents and even some Republicans.

[@TheHauntedKiwi]

You don't really believe this.

[@madmaverickmatt]

I have been wondering something on a similar note. tRump won that debate, but everyone is saying that tRump didn't really win, Biden lost. Is it any consolation that even in winning tRump lost and I wonder if it drives him even a little crazy that all of the after debate news is about Biden stepping on rakes?

[@--Dan-]

The post-debate Morning Consult poll showed the race from from 44-44 pre-debate to 45-44 in favour of Biden post debate. Screaming semi-incoherently about personal grievance is not more appealing to voters than whispering semi-incoherently about things that actually matter to them.

[@BuIIet]

Frank Luntz lol are you new on earth

[@madmaverickmatt]

@@BuIIet Lol I am no fan of Luntz and it may well come to be that his tactics are no longer valid, but until that bears out, we should remember that he has basically told Repos what to run on (more or less successfully) for a long time now.

[@andrewmastin4312]

No, Biden shouldn’t drop out. He held a rally the next day and was articulate and normal. Sure, he had a very poor debate. But a single debate isn’t going to decide this election. The large majority of voters didn’t even watch it.

[@mirkokaupat9201]

During the rally the next day, he read prepared remarks off a teleprompter in front of a friendly crowd. Not quite the same...

[@induhindus10]

Coming back to this after the last week and it’s very clear who was listening to voters and who is beholden to process and out of fucking touch

[@avisdoctor6395]

Young people should be concerned about the judicial system and the appointment of judges

[@chaddubois8164]

You are so right.

[@Catherine-hv3tg]

Young people should realize that only if Biden is elected will we gain sufficient Congressional seats to expand SCOTUS.

[@shakacien]

Agreed. It gets harder and harder to indulge the other half of what Trump says when his "Machiavellian communist deep state" opponent is as threatening as Biden. I think we have something of a Starmer situation here, where we might all be easier swayed to care about Biden as such a venerable guy that he is.

[@prismpyre7653]

We very much are which is why we wanted Bernie or someone who would actually FIGHT and ACT not these soulless spineless right-wing ghouls and corpselords of weimar who will be the doom of us all and call the fascists and klansmen their "fine esteemed colleuges from the other side of aisle" rather than fight htem

[@bvuarchives3122]

And same-sex marriage and contraception and abortion and on and on and on

[@jasoncross2645]

Hang in there folks

[@alandbs329]

Yeah. Cope harder you guys😂

[@willerwin3201]

Drop out of the running? After watching that train wreck, I'm wondering if he's competent to execute the duties of his office *right now*. The whole point of the presidency is being able to make difficult decisions on short notice and articulating those decisions to the executive branch. That performance demonstrated that he can't reliably do that. I have very little patience for cognitive off days when it comes to the presidency.

[@SecnarfWobneb]

There are plenty of good Democrat candidates and general elections in other countries only take 2 months. Biden needs to stand down ( Trump at least as much).

[@RSBurgener]

I have protected and fed a total of 15 unhoused cats, and believe me, they possess a capacity for love and redemption that Trump will never have.

[@Dot-u4m]

So true and shows your character! Anyone who loves animals I consider a friend!

[@phi8277]

. . . someone who has fought successfully for your benefit or someone who looked the othr way while millions of Americans died." Please pass this message on.

[@StinkCabbage]

Powerful statement

[@Afinati]

I'm pretty sure almost every single vaguely politically literate person on Earth is aware of that dichotomy. Unfortunately, it has about as much salience as the invocation of unhoused cats did in the debate.

[@douglasarcher9544]

When do we decide to challenge the voters to do their job? When do we call upon them to make a decision? Who do they want making major life and death decisions for them? An Actor? Reality TV star? Athlete? Con man? Criminal? Insurrectionist? Or an experienced politician, president who gets the job done without lying about his track record? Did you require Stephen Hawking to be a vigorous athletic capable speaker in order to want him guiding our scientists in their quest to explore the universe? Or was it enough that he was good at his job? Did people want to be buds with OJ Simpson, a remarkable athlete and an accomplished actor, when he was found 'Not Guilty' of murder? Let us stop trying to decide who should be our president based upon their ability to: Lie, cheat, insult, evade consequences for crimes, look 'strong', perform well on camera... Let us start helping our fellow voters understand what they are voting for, and against. Let us do our job so that Biden can do his job.

[@kenchun24]

This 100%!

[@josh0g]

The ripple through the audience when Favs said "who our Ron Desantis is"... yeah, it hurt. Most of us thinking that could be the truth.

[@gretchengasco9376]

I agree, totally with him about the moderators. I thought it was an injustice at what they did. Joe Biden definitely did not do his job. But I thought it was very damaging when the moderators would not at least hold Trump accountable at some of the times with more questions.

[@PimpessRockstar]

Because they like when Trump lies. They like when he bullshits so fast and so hard no one can get a word in edge wise.

[@jamesfrankel7827]

The job of POTUS is a Whitehouse team, not a single person who is a great debater.

[@theomegajuice8660]

You don't get the job of POTUS if you can't do the job of POTUS candidate. I agree that it's stupid but it's not going to change just because we want it to

[@aurea24santos]

Exactly!

[@4thand133]

But the President must be a cognitively competent leader of that team. Not just a friendly old man they trot out for a few appearances. You can't just say "well his team does a good job", and ignore Joe's obvious decline. Joe is the one who is running for President, not his unelected staffers.

[@railguy2]

@@4thand133 Joe is fine. One debate does not make or break an election, especially when your opponent tells over 150 lies and gives most sane people the creeps. We know Joe will do the right thing for everybody, democrat or republicon. One has to have a mental disorder for even considering to vote for the russian/chinese/n korean compromised rapist who stole our top secrets to our enemies. SMH

[@9000ck]

Yes, you and I think that. Undecided voters in the swing states do not think that. Biden is going to lose. You need to change the candidate.

[@epicbadaxe]

What a SERIOUSLY valuable exercise to debate the way forward. That was so useful to see the argument actually laid out. For me, personally, it laid bare just how complex the situation is...but left me wanting an open convention. People should do this more often.

[@freeheeler09]

Anti-Trump independent here, but I think another candidate would be more likely to save us from fascism.

[@tewa9614]

@@freeheeler09 Whom?

[@Robert-og2kr]

The other big difference between Obama's first debate and Biden's is that there was no doubt Obama could turn it around in the 2nd debate. I think the feeling is that even if Biden shows up to the 2nd debate in September, it is quite likely his performance will be just as bad. Worse, this will be after the convention and there will be no off-ramp.

[@nancychandler3673]

Vote Biden/Harris 💙 Flip the House. Expand the Senate 🇺🇸

[@indifferentadvocate1737]

lol. “I’m a Democrat and will vote for a Democrat.” Cool. As a Republican please please keep running with that.

[@debpowell4556]

Expand SCOTUS

[@debpowell4556]

Be honest and move on! Biden has earned this! He been an excellent president and his heart is in saving our democracy! Project 2025 goes with trump or any republican who wins the presidency. Why are we avoiding that topic? I don't get that.

[@GGoAwayy]

Newsom/Harris

[@mraso30]

Nah, I live in reality, none of that is going to occur.

[@toddbalog2311]

I think John and Medhi won that debate. Dan made the strongest argument in favor of staying the course, but John and Mehdis' arguments were far stronger IMO.

[@amyfromindy]

100% Agree. Dan is way way off in his DeSantis theory. I must also debunk his point that he knows better since he is the eldest on stage. (A couple years at most maybe?) When the stakes of this election are quite literally democracy's life and death the last thing you do is play it safe and move forward with an individual who 4 years ago got us here but yet 2 days ago left the world stunned at his inability to connect PERIOD! He was unable to connect communicatively, unable to connect with viewers thoughts and feelings, unable to connect with the moderators, unable to connect what Trump was saying and what seemed as the inability to cognitively connect with himself. The future President of US does not have the luxury to have a "bad" or "off" day when crisis hits our country. I love Joe Biden's heart and devotion to his country. I also know It is imperative we go into this election with a SURE WINNER. One that undecided voters and never Trumpers can get behind to make that win happen. You do not win by crossing your fingers in hopes the man from Thursday's debate doesn't show up again EVER as he did at the single most important event to date in this race.

[@amyfromindy]

OOOOOOOps. I'm an idiot and just now realizing this was a game by chance what side they all were fighting for. Missed that part and thought Dan and Tommy were speaking their truths. My apologies for the misunderstanding.

[@ashm-wl4xg]

Dan won the debate … OPEN AND BROKERED CONVENTION… 💯…!!

[@Dot-u4m]

We all don't win without President Biden!

[@ashm-wl4xg]

@@Dot-u4m What does that even mean …?? Biden can get on stage and tout his accomplishments for the last 3.5 years AND THWN BOW OUT AND RELEASE HIS DELEGATES TO AN OPEN CONVENTION…. That would win the Dems a lot of air time and make them list to the voters and American people and SAVE THE AMERICAN DEMOCRACY…!! That’s what need to happen. !!

[@joannvitovec4735]

I really can't believe the main question isn't democracy vs dictatorship? Support Democracy!!

[@jonusjonus9271]

It's the epitome of irony (dare I say serendipitous?) that the self-righteous crowd preaching 'preserve democracy, democracy, democracy,' while smugly wagging their fingers at the rest of us, has entirely created this mess themselves by not holding a proper primary election. Poetic.

[@lichtx5628]

Yea ppl don’t actually know what dictatorship is like so they r just doing what seems to “favor” them.

[@justinm3259]

@@jonusjonus9271 looking at YOU Florida... didn't even bother to hold a primary.

[@donkeybus]

yes! Vote for RFK JR! If you think the DNC represents democracy you should really look into the primary process that they rigged (again) to ensure we didn't have a choice. They really put the 'mock' in democracy (hardly better than the RNC if you are honest with yourself). And the same people who lied about bidens mental state are the ones telling us that rfk jr is an anti-vax cook (hint: he's not, he's a waaaay better candidate in nearly every way than biden)

[@v.l.7656]

Oh sweetie you don’t have democracy now with the democrat party….why do you think Joe is the presumptive presidential candidate? Why do you think Hilary was the presidential candidate in 2016? Do you really think you have any choice? 😂 luckily for rest of us, the dem establishment has begun rejecting the far left squad and all their ridiculous policies.

[@chlojoe100]

I don't care about the debate. I know Joe Biden and I know Donald Trump. I would vote for Joe Biden even if he just stood there and said nothing through the entire debate. Joe Biden knows what he's doing and most people know that. This debate won't change anything.

[@TheHSIHP]

But you're not who we need to convince. I'm with you 100 percent. I've never voted for Trump and never will. We need to convince the undecided.

[@pacjam418]

I’m not even going to watch this video, because this shouldn’t even be a question. One bad debate and everyone’s ready to throw Biden overboard. I’d like to meet the person that’s perfect every moment of their life. Love PSA, but shit on this f*ucking question.

[@cynthiamesser1251]

I watched all of your comments after the debate, and was struck by about how, you too, are performance oriented! Really?! The President has been performing his job amazingly, and then because of the debate not going like you would prefer, you push for someone else coming in who does not know the job. You all disappoint me.

[@jakal0]

He's been doing a good job as president but a bad job as a candidate, and if Trump is truely is a threat to democracy sadly the second one is more important.

[@KayaKLady]

Thank you!

[@judiemeierfranz4329]

Exactly. They've watched and believed too many movies made from comic strips

[@tweda4]

It is both remarkable, and I suppose predictable that the Democrats are as glued to their leader as the Republicans are. Joe Biden is fine as president, but he isn't going to win the election. Why? Because as you should have figured out by now - not enough Americans choose their president by who does a good job as president. They do it by vibes. Biden didn't give people good Vibes at that debate. Most people couldn't stand to watch. Do you really think you're going to be able to get people on the fence energised to vote for that?

[@kellymohr9967]

I really am disappointed in you guys. Yesterday and now today all you have to do is tear shit down. You need to build JOE up. He is what we’ve got. Stop tearing him down.

[@timk7073]

RGB and Feinstein all over again. Will we ever learn?

[@AM-fs1je]

That's what russian propaganda tv says.

[@timk7073]

@@AM-fs1je What?? None of these octogenarians knew when it was time to hang it up until they screwed it up for the dems

[@michelehamilton961]

@@AM-fs1je Do you really wish a Feinstein situation on Biden? Do you honestly think she was in a position to work for her constituents?

[@Catherine-hv3tg]

The CNN format was insane. It was not a debate. In a debate, one would ask the same question of each candidate in order for the audience to be able to compare and contrast their plans for a given issue. In addition, to ask meaty questions and give the candidates a mere 2 minutes to explain their solutions was absurd.

[@davidowens5898]

The 2 minute format was for the average amerikan, whose attention span would embarrass gnat.

[@ericleong7390]

Big fucking YES. Look at his policies. Not his salesmanship. Actions speak louder than bullshit

[@rlud304]

What policies are those? Is there even a platform?

[@kevinwillis6707]

Most voters pick a personality, not a policy

[@decaulp1263]

Salesmanship is a presidential candidates job.

[@Treeezzz]

I had a conversation with my dad a couple days ago. He’s not very political. He said he does not like Trump and could never vote for him. He also said Biden is too old and he can’t vote for him. I tried to convince him to still vote Biden. Then the debate happened. It’s hard to really defend Joe.

[@susanclifford9004]

You have to judge the man on what he has achieved in the past 3.5 years. Not just one evening when he was sick with a cold.

[@Akiraspin]

​@@susanclifford9004Hes sick with dementia. A cold doesnt make you stutter and stare off into space like a cadaver.

[@Biogreg1]

I think that is the problem. Democrats keep trying to support/defend the person. Defend the Platform, defend the policies, defend the beurocrats in the administration who do the job. Presidents are leaders, and leaders set the tone with judgement and experience. Everyone around them does the actual work. Biden as both, Trump has neither. Talk project 2025, talk about the work those around both have done, or haven't. Talk about tax breaks, talk about the recovery post COVID. And more importantly talk about Crisis experience, Which team do you want to support you? Bidens, or Trumps. Not only is Trump not in politics for the average voter, but those around him are not in it for them either. Highlight that!

[@jamessmith8331]

Tell your dad he must vote to defend democracy that many of Americans have fought and given their lives for.

[@blaisemacpherson7637]

​@@jamessmith8331 no. Treat this comment as a data point not as a potential voter. The point is this is affecting swing voters. If we don't have that conversation they will

[@parvin46]

If people can come up with a democratic candidate who can win in the battleground states, 130 days before an election then we can talk about replacing Biden. Otherwise, this conversation is a waste of time. Where was this conversation 6 or 7 months ago when something could have been done about it. Annoying af

[@dreamcoyote]

It's one of the things I've really not liked about the DNC. 6 or 7 months ago, the inner circle of the DNC got together with consultants and who knows else and ran the numbers and decided whether they should talk to Biden about running again, automatically stifling any primaries, or if he would take his baggage with him and retire. Where was that conversation? In back rooms with superdelegates. The GOP is as bad or worse, but the parties these days don't really go out to talk to the voters as much as they did decades ago and the disconnect is causing damage over time. At the time I thought he should have kept it to one term. The baggage of COVID response, price of gas, inflation, etc (not that those are all his fault but the baggage is his as far as "undecided" voters) would go with him. The new primaried candidate could step over those things more easily and Trump probably would have been squashed. Likewise all the "Biden crime family" BS would go down the drain. This is the DNC though, and seniority and "it's their turn" is extremely important to the superdelegates.

[@markshelor3991]

​@@dreamcoyote You also have to consider precedent. The last Sitting President to engage in a Party Primary was Ford (Republican, 70's). He ran against Reagan. The primary forced Ford to change his VP pick to someone more right-wing, and he lost the general election soon after. Kamala is decent in her politics, but I can easily imagine Biden shifting left during a primary, so far to the left that he loses the centrist appeal that won him the battleground states.

[@TheHauntedKiwi]

​@@markshelor3991Biden did not win with centrist appeal, that's pure propoganda.

[@inqui5ition]

There has been a section of the party having this conversation for 2 years now.....

[@theomegajuice8660]

A primary challenger would have left either Biden or the challenger who won weaker and with bitter 2nd placers in their wake. When Biden decided to run again it was the most sensible choice to rally around him... that was, of course, on the basis that he and his close allies had correctly judged his capacity to campaign for a 2nd term.

[@kaycass9249]

To the guy that said we had the primaries and could have chosen other nominees that's a damn lie. I am a registered Democrat in Florida and the undemocratic Democrats that tell me that Trump is the biggest threat to democracy cancelled our primary so I was unable to vote.

[@killerb232000]

Yes he should stay in Polls are saying that TRUTH WINS LIES LOSE!!!

[@nicolelandry1781]

Some polls will show your panic causing chaos is not helpful.

[@cassandratq9301]

They are not causing panic. Joe's terrible performance did.

[@1marcelo]

How are the polls now?

[@haggebaby99]

Some of the post-debate focus groups are proving that voters are paying attention to substance as opposed to style. They are seeing more negatively about Don the Con while y’all in the media are focused on the dog and pony show. Let Joe be Joe, and either get on board or get out of the way!

[@pr3historic647]

Never listened to these guys. Listening because of Mehdi. About 10mins in. These guys aren't funny at all or informative. Going back to chapo. Bye 👋

[@jackvotes24]

Sorry. World doesn’t revolve around a debate

[@MutatedPizzaBoi]

No it revolves around america, and there are a lot of dumb people who vote on face value there.

[@Afinati]

The whole human race has revolved around a Kansas pig farm, a moody Serbian young man, non-violent deconstruction of a wall in a single city - millions of people's lives were ended or changed irrevocably from such humble beginnings. The third deadliest war in history? Instigated by a barely literate peasant you've almost certainly never heard named. Point is, yes weird obscure things do shift great tides of history that powerfully impact every single human. Presidents and presidential candidates have been felled by the debate minefield before; it's a standard barrier Biden collosally failed to overcome.

[@Afinati]

The whole human race has revolved around a Kansas pig farm, a moody Serbian young man, non-violent deconstruction of a wall in a single city - millions of people's lives were ended or changed irrevocably from such humble beginnings. The third deadliest war in history? Instigated by a barely literate peasant you've almost certainly never heard named. Point is, yes weird obscure things do shift great tides of history that powerfully impact every single human. Presidents and presidential candidates have been felled by the debate minefield before; it's a standard barrier Biden collosally failed to overcome.

[@Afinati]

The whole human race has revolved around a Kansas pig farm, a moody Serbian young man, non-violent deconstruction of a wall in a single city - millions of people's lives were ended or changed irrevocably from such humble beginnings. The third deadliest war in history? Instigated by a barely literate peasant you've almost certainly never heard named. Point is, yes weird obscure things do shift great tides of history that powerfully impact every single human. Presidents and presidential candidates have been felled by the debate minefield before; it's a standard barrier Biden collosally failed to overcome.

[@keithkuckler2551]

FDR was in lousy health, and, was paralyzed as well, and, confined to a wheelchair, he could not stand upright unless his legs were strapped to steel braces. Eisenhower had a serious heart attack and almost died, JFK was had Addison's Disease, and, a bad back, he had to have regular pain killers and spinal injections. My point is that Biden had a bad night, that happens to all of us, young and old, but, the choice is stark, it is either him or Trump, if you can not figure that one out, you have a problem that changing candidates will not solve.

[@teresaparnham9780]

Don't forget Reagan had alzheimers, while serving AS PRESIDENT.

[@theomegajuice8660]

I think the thing many people in these comments are forgetting is that Biden is BEHIND and needs to IMPROVE his vote share not maintain it. This isn't about whether his bad performance will lose him support he already has, it's about how the hell he can gain votes now when his best chance to make that case was a total failure

[@debbiekrpan7513]

But the problem lies in the fact that the public did not know these things at the time. We didn't allow the weakness of our leaders to be known. Unfortunately people judge on weakness, and Biden looks weak.

[@marklower3772]

Virtually none of FDR's health issues were public. And he was perhaps the best communicator of the 20th century. Biden's health issues are very public and his communication skills are currently horrendous. If that's Biden's bad night, his bad nights are unacceptable for the POTUS. The pod's new book should be called: "Replace Him, or Else"

[@dkbeach]

Don't forget one of our best Supreme Court Justices RGB defended democracy and our rights until her dying days!