An Independent People - Ulster-Scots Presbyterians

[@kennystemp8636]

The Ulster Scots have a very impressive history. Sadly, here in the U.S., most Scottish Americans mistakenly think they are Irish, because of the confusing Scots-Irish label. Most Scottish Americans dropped the Scots part of Scots-Irish, and just call themselves Irish, not realizing the history of the name, and that it should be the other way around, with the Irish part dropped, and should just simply call themselves Scottish Americans.

[@johnshelton1141]

You are correct!

[@johnpatrick5307]

Exactly the wrong way round! - the people called themselves "Irish", and they came from all over Ireland - "Scots-Irish" was invented later....

[@johnshelton1141]

@@johnpatrick5307 But were mostly Ulster-Scots in the 1700's. The bulk of the native Irish came in the 1800's. Two different groups of immigrants with different accomplishments here.

[@johnpatrick5307]

@@johnshelton1141 No, you're wrong, the native Irish would have been the bulk of the immigrants - this "Ulster Scot" thing was a later invention, to write the Irish out of the story: they called themselves "Irish". Dolly Parton is Irish, for instance.

[@kennystemp8636]

@@johnpatrick5307 No, you are the one who is wrong John Patrick. The Ulster Scots (Scots-Irish) never called themselves "Irish" in Ulster. They called themselves Ulster Scots, because they are Scottish, not Irish. And John Shelton is correct, and obviously knows history much better than you do. It was these Scottish settlers from Ulster who came to the American colonies back in the 1700s. And as John Shelton correctly stated, the true Irish didn't come here until the 1800s. Also, about 75% of the Scots-Irish were Scottish, while about 25% of the Scots-Irish were actually English, because some English settled Ulster along with the lowland Scots. Dolly Parton is not Irish, she is Scots-Irish, but I don't think she is Scottish, but rather English. It was these Scottish and English settlers, the Scots-Irish that settled the southern states. The Irish, when they came here, went to the big cities of the north, like Boston, New York, Chicago, etc. Country singers are mostly of Scottish decent, like Johnny Cash. And a lot of rock singers are of Scottish decent, like Elvis Presley, Jim Morrison, Alice Cooper, Kurt Cobain, etc.

[@raymondhaskin9449]

Love the Ulster Scots. Ulster’s loyalists and America’s cowboys. The greatest heritage.

[@conlaiarla]

All living in the past. Obsolete and irrelevant.

[@Jamestele1]

@@conlaiarla Only it is not the past. Just like African culture, English culture, Roman, Asian and the rest. They were the seeds that made the music of today, the ways of life, etc.

[@jamieinu9872]

@@conlaiarla "All living in the past. Obsolete and irrelevant." says the person using the name "Deus Vult".

[@carloshannon8346]

@@conlaiarla says the guy with a Knights Templar name and picture???

[@oosthuizen2012]

@@conlaiarla if not supporting sodomy means I’m living in the past then sure

[@christiansmith4421]

Im an Ulsrer scot... yet im lutheran by the love of God a Presbyterian.

[@slantsix6344]

The time it took for England to make a decision on an important government issue took months during Colonial times. This is what really frustrated those here in the states. By the time England had replied, the issue was over and the time to act long gone in many cases. Also, if you were Presbyterian, Lutheran, Baptist etc. Your taxes were being used by a totally different Anglican denomination that you had nothing to do with. This was especially hard if you earned little in wages. The country was so huge compared to England that you could have whole towns with no contact with anything English. The US is still over 80% rural, lots of land over here still.

[@SROU64]

My family has always said that we are Scotch-Irish.

[@paulbrowne3033]

But a divided people most supported American independence a minority remained loyalist and went to Canada some Highlanders from Georgia These loyalists seem to be remembered a lot more than the patriotic Presbyterian people who were the backbone of the revolution

[@manlyburns5772]

closer to a third were loyalist, and most did not go to canada

[@irishaware]

Backbone were Irish. Most who emigrated to America from Ireland in the 17th and 18th centuries (obviously the 19th & 20th) sailed as Irish not scots or scotch anything and did so from southern ports. The sailing ship records prove it!

[@manlyburns5772]

@@irishaware There's a book called Cracker Culture: Celtic Ways in the Old South, first few pages sting but the rest is awesome, i bet u'd love it Irishaware

[@manlyburns5772]

stink* not sting

[@fishinwidow35]

@@irishaware They were called Irish because they sailed from Ireland. Many had parents or grandparents who had moved to Ireland from Scotland so were technically "Irish" but had very Scottish roots. This is why they were called Scots-Irish or Ulster Scots. Irish immigration was a separate movement.

[@nopenope4158]

HANDS ACROSS THE WATER MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS

[@gingerhipszky228]

I have several families that came from Scotland to Ulster.

[@stevemcgee99]

I'd love to see it.

[@brucecollins641]

it was the ulster-scots who started the st patricks day parade in america.

[@brucecollins4729]

many,many of these"ulster scots" would still have been full scots having lived in ulster for a few years or even months then leaving for the americas to jine their earlier scots kin who have been in the carolinas since the late 1500s. do people think they sat in ulster for a couple o centuries then went over in a discounted bulk load.

[@nancypatterson2215]

I know that most of all my ancestors came from Ulster, & they all arrived in the 18TH Century. We had many highland Scots joins us from North Carolina, but most were indentured servants or escapees of 1946 Jacobite Rebellion. We also have a sprinkle of Welsh & German. We were the squatters who were 1st to cross The Appalachian Mountains & settle our own forts & communities west of Appalachia.

[@jeffmarlatt6538]

What is that orange flag at the 1:11 mark ?

[@barrycreed9886]

The flag of the orange order

[@edmoundblack3739]

Any input by the BBC into this programme will anti protestant for those who understand Northern Ireland

[@gruaim]

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@hanoitripper1809]

If someone considers themselve Ulster/Derry, are they a Scotch/Irish? Or just Irish?

[@MrSoda007]

What religion are ya

[@raibeartthehairypict4696]

It’s petty simple. If your ancestors were brought to Northern Ireland by the Elizabethan ships, to clear brush, and drain bogs, so the land could be farmed properly. Then Like the majority of Northern Irish people, you can call yourself Ulster-Scots/ Scots-Irish.

[@cigh7445]

If you're in Ulster and are Presbyterian/Protestant you're Ulster Irish. If you're Catholic you're just Irish. To plainly answer your question.

[@hanoitripper1809]

My mate is born and raised in Australia but with Ulster parents who moved here in the 1970s after the troubles. Not sure what religion they are tho

[@cigh7445]

@@hanoitripper1809 What's his family name?

[@TKDragon75]

Why is it always Ulster-Scots "Presbyterians"? My family were Ulster-Scot Catholics. Not all of them were Presbyterians. The Catholics of Scotland who went to Ulster deserve to be a part of this history. My family went to Ulster in the 1600's, and to Virginia in the 1750's, they fought in the US Revolution and the US Civil War, for the Union, not the rebs.

[@TKDragon75]

Also fought the Brits in Scotland and Ireland.

[@cigh7445]

@@TKDragon75 The Ulster Scots were on Britain's side in Ireland you know... It was England who granted them land in Ulster.

[@imnotsure3334]

Straight White British Protestant yea the the Ulster Scots that we’re living in Ulster at that time we’re on the British side but the Ulster-Scots that emigrated to America in the early 1700’s were on the American. It’s a little bit complicated. LOL

[@Hisuwashi]

Presbyterians literally named their church after where a priest lives didn't they haha. Though I believe there were penal laws against Catholics in Scotland at that time.

[@Dom-fx4kt]

I cringe whenever I hear Americans refer to Britain as just England. Great Britain is an island, just say England if you're going to be referring to England.

[@raymonray5444]

in pursuit of " happiness " !

[@danjackson1802]

What’s Russell Crowe doing talking about scotch irish people He’s from new zealand

[@lostintranslation9680]

It’s complicated.

[@godalhakanson9555]

CAN SOMEONE INFORM ME ON HOW ULSTER PEOPLE PROTECT THEIR KIDS FROM THE INIQUITOUS RC POLICY OF PROMISING TO RAISE THEIR KIDS RC IF THEY MARRY AN RC

[@bh5817]

What is an RC?

[@huntermulhall4849]

B H I assume it means Roman Catholic.

[@bh5817]

Hunter Mulhall cheers

[@raibeartthehairypict4696]

@god al hakanson Make sure you marry in a church of the reformed faith to begin with. Then the choice is between you and the lord. No mere man (ordained or not,) can ask you to make such a huge promise for other humans, your offspring or not. GGG&PYA.

[@s.leemccauley7302]

With all of the sex abuse by priests and the enormity of the problem, it cant be held against those that refuse.

[@sobervictory4724]

Get em 😇💗✝️

[@malcolmcanning548]

Anyone know ourstorey not hisstory.. only took me 65yrs of banging drums and thinking the Tim's where thick. .as for the Presbyterian church . Purple reign

[@zebramike100]

Why in the hell do you call them Irish.They where Scots

[@kingbiscuittime6082]

♥️✝️

[@Jimmy_Cooper]

What about Ulster Scots Catholics 🤷🏻‍♂️ is that not an untold side of this story

[@johnoriordan7419]

Independent people in another country,

[@itsmesoitis4059]

Ulster- Scotland. Ulster-Scots. Home sweet home

[@johnc6634]

Its called by some as a Celtic nation . Look deeper into your history to the Picts . Then look later to the Vikings and Normans . There's no true race on the island of Ireland now

[@cigh7445]

What in God's name are you talking about?

[@raibeartthehairypict4696]

@HourglassShrugged 🎣🐟🐟

[@johnpatrick5307]

@@Maxwell3773. Lowlanders come from everywhere - they're not really European: www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/aug/15/scotland-dna-study-project

[@irosoqpsdvjj]

Modern genetic studies say otherwise John

[@MixerRenegade95]

The Vikings and Normans over time had assimilated into the dominant Culture of Ireland which is Celtic, same happened in England.

[@usa2121]

Elliott

[@johnoriordan7419]

Then they came to Ireland and decided to call it British, should have stayed in Scotland

[@micahritchie9179]

Lad tell Ur anseters that they should go home from Scotland and I'll tell mine

[@cherri2469]

*Mikra Britannia, Ptolemy called it British in 325 B.C even named the British isles after the actual natives the Pritani. geals should of stayed in Spain.

[@joprocter4573]

They were at home ulster Scots was connected land until ice split

[@central_scrutinizer]

Bunch eh panzies.

[@lotrisveg3266]

It's called "plantation "

[@joprocter4573]

No Irish were pirate n travelling stock

[@Kitiwake]

Indeed a very dependent people. Dependent on the united kingdom. They compromised when they helped the rebellion against the same crown threy swear they are loyal to in the north of Ireland.

[@davbhoy10]

An independent people but want to be colonised by Westminster Makes a whole load a sense eh?

[@Interlocutor67]

There's nothing nastier than Ulster-Scots Presbyterians.

[@mysticpizza02]

Maybe Irish catholic nuns and priests

[@calumroney7352]

Hey Chris?,nasty?,the Roman Catholic church has more blood on its hands than most for gods sake.You sound like a typical brainwashed idiot.The Presbyterian church allows freedom of thought and has democracy in its DNA and we certainly don't feel the need for ANY priest,bishop,cardinal or bloody pope to be the go between for men and women and God.Presbyterians mainly from Scotland and Ulster made America what it is today and the MUCH LATER Catholic Irish arrivals have tried to hijack America's history for themselves.The American constitution and the Declaration of independence are based on the belief of religious freedom among other things such as the World famous Declaration of Arbroath which was influenced by the Templars who fought for the Bruce at Bannockburn and turned the tide in favour of the Scots.You would do well to actually read history instead of coming on this and making a complete fanny of yourself.

[@npvols4321]

Your mother loves it...

[@raibeartthehairypict4696]

Calum Roney Here here! It’s only hatred they’re indoctrinated with. History and facts are foreign to the vast majority of them!

[@johnpatrick5307]

@HourglassShrugged I think they are a warning against the mixing of races: www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/aug/15/scotland-dna-study-project

[@Bellg]

There is like absolutely no nuance in this documentary. Just a self serving lovestory

[@caedmonnoeske3931]

I'm in a weird spot, as I'm a proud Dutch Reformed/Presbyterian. But I also support Irish independence and love all the old Catholic rebel songs.😂😂

[@carloshannon8346]

Traitor

[@Bellg]

Supporting Irish independence is the correct path. Why should that clash with being dutch reformed

[@andrewccochrane8052]

your head is warped my friend brush up on scottish history first then irish then english and the rest iam afraid dont matter SCOTLAND has over 5.000 years of history an intersting little country but everything you hear see and read it was borne in scotland

[@edmoundblack3739]

Did Catholic rebels help to free your country from Germany ARMY at the end of ww2 I think not men from the UK which ulster is a part off did shame on YOU

[@MixerRenegade95]

@@andrewccochrane8052Doubtful.

[@johnryan3897]

I dont like orange men the irish catholic should be domenant on our own island

[@fci1]

🥱🥱🥱🥱

[@andrewccochrane8052]

idiot

[@johnryan3897]

@@andrewccochrane8052 TÍOCHAODH AR LÁ. 1st BATTALION I.R.A.

[@johnryan3897]

@VVV Never said i was in it just support them

[@johnryan3897]

@VVV Dunno what they tell you in England but that aint true bud

[@MarkLowrie-jn2hw]

I really need to start going 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇬🇧💯🫡🫡🫡