An Indissoluble Bond: Juliet and Pauline: PART ONE

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[@StephanieHarlowe]

I accidentally said Juliet was born in 1908 at the start of the video but gave her correct birth date later in the video which was 1938. I think it’s pretty obvious Juliet and her father were not born the same year, although wouldn’t THAT make for a great video! 😂

[@missjem79]

I thought, wait a minute what?! But then realized it was a mistake. Everyone makes a small mistake once in a awhile. I know I do. You are my favourite true crime channel hands down. The way you go in depth, compared to other channels while still remaining entertaining, it's honestly amazing.

[@jenmilam5940]

🧐😂

[@jenmilam5940]

omg yaaaaas ....I LIVE for steph's videos.... some ppl like to watch ASMR vids at night to relax and help them sleep....I just listen to steph's true crime vids....I could seriously watch these day and night on repeat 😂❤

[@jewelsgrl]

Muahaha. I live in the South so...erm

[@truecrimenut6696]

Hey Stephanie....ANOTHER great video (story ). The amount of time that you must spend on researching, filming and editing, must be WILD! You are so detail oriented...I LOVE IT!! BEST TRUE CRIME CHANNEL OUT THERE!! Waaaay back....I PREDICTED that you would blow up, and after looking at your sub count today, I SEE YOU HAVE!!! Good for you Stephanie. I remember the video that you announced that you were changing the focus of your channel from makeup to true crime. WONDERFUL move!! 🌷

[@dorisg.1891]

"She was just so impressed with Juliet and everything that was Juliet. Juliet was incredibly impressed with herself so they had that in common." Great comment!

[@mickaylamccracken9974]

You

[@indigoblue4791]

That's a funny statement! 🤣😅🤣

[@ing.m97]

Haha! I loved the comment as well.

[@bridieeleanor]

normal people: have a favourite song, colour, travel destination.... Stephanie: has a favourite *war*

[@emilywiltshire3175]

I think that's awesome though, Steph is clearly a very intelligent lady and she spends so much time researching and goes deep into cases like literaly no other youtuber. She's one of a kind, doesn't atall surprise me she's into history too cos crime and history go hand in hand :)

[@ktbanga22]

@@emilywiltshire3175 how could you possibly love [ any war ]

[@JabberJawz.]

@@ktbanga22 possibly could be favorite to hate or dislike...🤷‍♀️

[@Annasea666]

Kate Walsh hah. Men love war. It's why it still exists

[@user-zx5kq6hs9d]

@@ktbanga22 I agree? What a statement? I know a lot about the "wars" would have sounded more appropriate.

[@ccpperrett7522]

"Baby in a box," how to create a sociopath.

[@StephanieHarlowe]

Yup

[@TheSystem.Co9]

@@Elleoaqua wait who’s baby that’s a crazy name

[@TheSystem.Co9]

@@Elleoaqua never mind I see now

[@anneka3272]

creepier when you realize skinner also had an experiment where he put rats in a box to learn about operant conditioning

[@Pleaselearntothink]

@@Elleoaqua my husband knew someone who'd met her - said she was a bit strange though. Lol

[@Touchofaweepingangel]

Clingy is when my almost two year old wants to be carried or have her hand held by me for three hours straight... not when she wants to just live in the same house as me. I feel so bad for how this little girl’s life started.

[@Nizhonibearcreek]

Agreed clingy is when your 5 yr thins he needs to be with you so badly he sits on the floor infront of while you use the bathroom

[@torturedsouldepartment]

Absolutely!! I’m hardly surprised about how she turned out learning that honestly. 😕

[@jerricafajardo2326]

Awww your braids are so cute, the birds think your Cinderella lol.

[@StephanieHarlowe]

I think they might have 😂😂😂

[@myepictbr6968]

It is totally the braids. Case closed.

[@leonivaneeden8792]

I think you meant snow white..but yes nice analogy

[@melissaivy5309]

😂😂😂😂

[@Saffron-sugar]

Jerrica Fajardo ...... Cinderella had braids? Lol

[@0Flow0]

Could you make a long video about the young woman who was dead for 3 years in her apartment and no one knew? Her name was Joyce Vincent and there's a documentary called Dreams of Life about her death. I'd love to get detailed information on the case because the documentary was sometimes a little confusing and focused on interviews with people who knew her.

[@StephanieHarlowe]

I'll certainly look into it!

[@daniellacardente5755]

Ive heard of this case once and thought it was a hoax, what Happened??

[@chelseafcgirl123]

Anastasia Beau a British middle aged woman who lived quite a colourful and eventful life died in her flat alone of natural causes and went unfound for three years. Most of her bills came out of her account automatically and the eerie part about the discovery of her body is that the TV was still on when she was found all those years later. It was just very sad that such a socially active lady in her youth with lovers and friends ended up alone and nobody cared enough to check on her for all that time. I highly recommend the documentary it’s haunting and I’ve seen it many times.

[@AnnoyingAsianWitch]

@@chelseafcgirl123 This story haunts me too. She was off doing activism work and such but everyone assumed she ghosted them when she died! (Edit: pun unintended)

[@RenosEMR]

It’s a very sad case for sure :(

[@DeathDoulaEnza]

I know what Juliette felt like. I am an unloved child. It never leaves. It changes the direction you would have / should have gone in. I mourn the person I could have been every day. You spend the rest of your life fumbling through your days trying to figure out where YOU went wrong. Maybe I’m a bad kid. Maybe I’m not good enough. If only I was prettier or smarter. Not being loved, respected, encouraged or mentored has devastating and life long effects. Juliette did not deserve this, however ...... In the end each person makes their own choices and should be held responsible and accountable for their choices and actions. Thank you, Stephanie , for speaking the truth and reminding me that all children deserve to be loved, made to feel safe and cared for. Your children are very lucky to have you.

[@StephanieHarlowe]

❤️❤️❤️

[@error6690]

Idk you but i feel the same way. I love you when no one else does. There's nothing wrong with us!!! The ones who didn't love us are the broken ones. And i think they hate themselves more than they don't love us. Your special

[@dr.tamaraworley8451]

God BLESS you....I have seen so many people who have experienced what you have.....you explained it well. 👍👍👍🙏

[@shakeyraware1563]

I'm so sorry God bless you baby here for u and love me

[@Mels0103]

I can relate, 110%. Not a day goes by where I don't wonder who I could've been.

[@apriljohnson1067]

As I listen to this, I’m wondering if anyone has ever considered that Juliette had boarderline personality disorder and Pauline was a codependent. Perfect storm.

[@linywonderland4580]

creepy movie fact: they filmed the killing scene on the same path where the real murder took place. They wanted to be in the exact spot where the original crime scene was, but the whole crew got an eerie feeling and so they moved a couple of meters. (P.s. great video, as always :)

[@meandendo]

I used to live there,been to that spot it's a very beautiful place, but it's so creepy.

[@momzillainnova]

ENDO WARRIORS I’ll bet! I’ve visited the steps where the exorcist was filmed when the father threw himself down the stairs. Creepy.

[@KindMeg]

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[@momzillainnova]

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[@Speaking841]

I had an Anderson shelter in my childhood home, at the back of the garden. I accidentally found it when I was about nine years old. I didn't know what it was at first; it was a bit raised (foliage had mostly grown over it since), with the metallic front painted green to blend in with the grass. It also had writing in faded white paint, which I'm certain said "Welcome". It was pretty common for people to make their shelters as homely as they could. My dad did some research, and that's how we found out. Plus, we realised that the vegetable patch that had always been there was on top of it, and likely planted for self-sufficiency. The shelter wasn't that big - enough to probably hold about 4 people, but pretty snug. I was so excited because here we typically start learning about WWII around Year 3/4 (American 2nd/3rd grade), and told my teacher the next day. I so wanted to get inside, but the door and lock was so rusty. Still, a little piece of history!

[@LadyBlueAzure]

So cool. 😊

[@carolynjustagagirl2315]

There were some in the USA, my neighbors had one.

[@tinakeshner585]

I just want to say *HOW IMPRESSED* I was at Pauline’s poem! And at age 14!!! I am 49 and I couldn’t write _that_ beautifully with a dictionary, a thesaurus, a how-to book on writing poetry and Robert Frost sitting right next to me!

[@brookebowers1229]

SO YOUR ENVOY INTO SHORT FICTION WAS PAULINE PARKER! THAT IS BLOODY GREAT AND I AM KEEN TO INTRODUCE YOU TO MORE THAN"TWO ROADS 0 DIVERGEMENT AND THE ROAD LESS TRAVELED - ALL THE TRANNNNNSCENDENTAL GOLLY SLEEP DEPRIVED ... I NEED 2 DISTRACT MYSELF AT HE MOMENT TO GET THROUGH THE NIGHT BECAUSE THIS IS MY STORY MY AND MY PAUL AND SHE WAS MURDERED IN AMERICA AT 315 MONDAY MORNING .. WELL TIME ZONES PENDING SAME DAY AS SINEAD OCONNOR I DO NOT DO SOCIAL MEDIA I WAS TOLD ON IT DEATH AND THE INTERNET ..... NEVER I AM GOING TO DIE FROM GRIEF I AM IN A HOSPITAL BED ALONE I DO NOT KNOW WE "DEIGNED ON HIGH WE WERE SUCH HEAVENLY CREATURES ... I KNOW EVERY LINE OF THAT POEM.. TYPING HELPS I HAVE NO REASON TO LIVE - PLEASE KEEP TRACK OF THIS CRIME SHE WAS MURDERED IN SEATTLE THE NFEWS MISGENDERED HER MY MUM GOT HER 30 YR REVENGE ON US HEAVENLY CREATURES - FAREWELL AND TRUE CRIME IS NOT ENTERTAINMENT IT IS EXPLOITATION OF THE VICTIMS FAMILIES .. ME ....LIKE THE LOVE AND BOND WE HAVE = HAD AND HER MUM"ADOPTED" ME TOO MY LIFE IS THE PARALELL IT IS UNCANNY - I HAD THE KEY TO THE 4TH WORLD .....I CANNOT BURY MY SISTER YES I COULD COMMIT MURDER TO GET TO HER WHAT IS LEFT OF HER

[@Lucy-ym8ch]

Juliet became a writer. I went to a signing she did.

[@Mels0103]

Juliet was definitely a maladaptive daydreamer, like me. It happens when a child is emotionally abused.

[@doubleh333lix]

i was a little neurodivergent and severely bullied kid -- maladaptive daydreaming was my only escape. i really feel for juliet.

[@TheSystem.Co9]

I was and am severely neuro-divergent I have a very long list of disorders for both mental illnesses and disabilities along with physically disabilities/ chronic illnesses and pain and I had / have lived in a fantasy world or been a maladaptive daydreamer state I guess and it’s from both nature and nurture or lack there of

[@KayKay114]

Wooooow I didn't even know this had a term. It's definitely what I do often.

[@KayKay114]

Completely out of my control. 😔

[@virginiaw8608]

@@KayKay114 same here. My little brother died when I was 7. I lost a huge part of my ability to socialize with other children then. I had no idea this has a name...I just thought I was odd.

[@marisamitchell8611]

I love how you always explain the backstory behind these cases. I love history & true crime & looking at these peoples' lives really helps to better understand what happened & why it happened.

[@StephanieHarlowe]

Thank you!

[@marquitashiver6141]

@@StephanieHarlowe very thorough and detailed. Love it!

[@debbie3762]

I would love historical videos! Mental institutions, TB wards, iron lungs, parenting trends, plagues....! I'm here for it all!

[@user-zk4zm2jz9n]

Steph! Please

[@annesamuel7096]

I have only just come accross this video, so apologies for the late comment. I am a Kiwi. I spent eight years in Christchurch. I am also not far off old enough to relate. I have heard this "story" a couple of times before, always the girls are phsycopaths who found each other. This is the first time that I have heard the full history of why Juliette particularly had the problems that she did. This has changed my opinion on the girls. I haven't seen the second part yet but I am looking forward to it. Brilliant research, thank you. As an aside, NZ is the land of birds, with no native mammals, birdsong is everywhere, it defines the country. So the birds sitting right outside your window is more "right" than you know!

[@SleepyLeeeee]

Holy fudge. Baby in a box? How did I never know about this? Yes, more historical stuff like this please! 👏

[@hopetikvah4906]

Oh whoops sorry, I replied to the wrong comment

[@francisbean7333]

Makes mewonderifyoucan do the butterboxbabies?

[@SleepyLeeeee]

@@francisbean7333 um.....I looked it up. I hope I never have to.Unless you are talking about the dance?

[@francisbean7333]

Itasatruecrime storeybailey sarian coveredit

[@SleepyLeeeee]

@@francisbean7333 oh ok, lol. Thanks for the heads up, I'll check it out.

[@TheRealBlkButterfly]

I can tell you that my grandparents were VERY big proponents of the whole "do not give babies and children too much attention" thing, this impacted GREATLY on my mother and how she was raised, which then carried through with how she raised me.

[@kr3642]

I'm sorry. That's awful. My mom wasnt very affectionate with me either, because she had a personality disorder. I didnt let that influence how I am with my daughter today. Shitty upbringings arent an excuse to repeat the cycle.

[@TheRealBlkButterfly]

@@kr3642 I can say that my mother is a very very damaged woman. And the way I was raised was very very cold and extremely full of many damaging effects but when I had my own child I made a self aware choice to be the exact polar opposite of my mother. The cycle can be broken, if the ones in it know it's behaviour that need to be changed.

[@kr3642]

@@TheRealBlkButterfly I meant it wasnt an excuse for her to do that to you. At least you and I have our heads on enough to treat our kids well.

[@linziRyan1965]

@@kr3642 that sounds like my mother I law

[@bilindalaw-morley161]

BlkButterfly I’m fifty eight and my main memories of my parents are centred around basically, “Go away and stop bothering me “

[@shb8212]

There's an old lady in my church who warns me about "spoiling" my 7 month old by holding him when he fusses... 🙄🙄🙄 I can't roll my eyes hard enough.

[@colleenlally-ross7105]

I never let my baby cry himself to sleep and he just started post-graduate school at FSU! So hold 'em close honey they up and gone before you know it!!

[@frankcesaretti4817]

Ew, I hate that! Also Old Lady, mind your business, thanks 🙏🏻

[@Skip_Esquire]

Stop going to church. 2 negative influences out of your life at once. Thank me later.

[@shb8212]

@@Skip_Esquire you seem nice.

[@corettaha7855]

You might consider listening to your elders. Sometimes life may have taught them something over all those years they’ve lived through that you haven’t. You don’t always have to follow the advice they offer, but you should listen respectfully and consider it.

[@blacknight2149]

I’ve had a few relationships with other girls that was intense, almost like soul mates. We weren’t gay, but people may have thought we were.

[@sleepystars8482]

Same, I've been best friends with one since we met in high school. She was dyslexic, I helped her with that. We became so close, hell we even made up our own language. Pretty weird behaviour, we laugh about it now.

[@Tara-id3rk]

My best friend and I have a relationship like that. We identify as soul mates. But non romantic soul mates. When we met in our early 20s we were inseparable and people believed we were in a relationship. We never had a romantic connection but we were often affectionate. Now we are both married with children and we still believe we have a soul mate type connection and talk every day. We have been through a lot together throughout the years and I have genuine love for her. Just not the lesbian type. Ha

[@merchernel123]

I don't think I've ever told a man he was my soulmate, but I have definitely said that and felt that with some of my friendships with girls.

[@hubabaloop]

thats how my best friend and I are. but we have other friends and relationships w our parents

[@peachygrace3523]

That’s what my relationship with my best friend is like. We met in the 6th grade and didn’t start being close friends until 7th grade and we’ve been going strong ever since 😁

[@philkemp7602]

I feel that as you progress with these series, not only does the quality of your videos improve, but we get to see more of you, and as a viewer that's a privilege. I know that you going off-script and laughing as you did at the start of the video may seem like a small thing, but it's a joy to watch. You really seem to be finding your feet in the true crime community (and are becoming one of my favourite channels) and it's brilliant to see you continue to grow. Thank you for the videos, and thank you for covering one of my favourite cases Sending all my love your way ❤

[@StephanieHarlowe]

Phil Kemp awwww you made me so happy with your kind words!

[@philkemp7602]

@@StephanieHarlowe I'm glad to hear it- I'm just being honest 😁

[@teresahowick5197]

You speak for me :) thanks for putting how I feel into words

[@Missstrish]

She is awesome I love when she is sarcastic while discussing a murdered I laugh

[@TheGauges420]

@@Missstrish especially when it's an "imo" or "allegedly" lmao.

[@samanthajo8463]

Yes! Crazy things in history. I’m down for that series. 🙌🏼

[@StephanieHarlowe]

Crazy History!

[@GerriElder]

Yes! I'm all in for Crazy History! Love it!

[@JW-vd4il]

me too! I was already planning to comment that if you get enough info on Anderson Shelters to make a video PLEASSSSSE share it! Fallout shelters in US weird too -- might want to request personal photos/info of those too. I've heard a few "know someone who knows someone who" had one or bought property that ended up coming with an old fall-out shelter, but I've never seen one myself. Of course these things can be researched, too. But I love the personal touch if get any direct photos or info. Either way, add me to your list as another person who will NEVER say "True Crime Only😡!" (please just skip those comments, for you AND for us!!) 😀

[@VioletJoy]

Me three!!! 🙋🏼‍♀️

[@rachelgreig1939]

Me four 😅

[@giseljimenez7584]

You need a t-shirt that says "In My Opinion, Don't Come For Me" 🤭🤭🤭 I would buy it cause you say this constantly lol

[@elizabethanncollins5827]

YES!!! I love it.

[@tironnarexxmorriss2883]

I third the idea

[@brandyjean7015]

Ditto

[@Valentina-Steinway]

And …” … end quote.” Lol 😂

[@cjmiller3686]

“Julia is such an incredibly clingy & needy kid, you need to stop girl, quit being so thirsty” This is probably what my wife thinks about me I’m ☠️😂😂

[@b1k2q34]

Well quit it. That would be super annoying from a grown adult. Ew

[@smacksalad]

Wow, those parents REALLY didnt want Juliet. Poor girl.

[@Valentina-Steinway]

Yep. That’s me…

[@Lindsey0007]

@@Valentina-Steinway me too

[@jenneacubero1036]

Hilda: -Puts Juliet in air box. -Has Juliet hide under a bush in the snow. Causing her a life of ailments. -Leaves Juliet home alone. -Sends her to the Bahamas alone with strangers. ....Yet wonders why her kid's so "clinging"...Even in in the 40's this would make people give the side-eye.

[@moorek1967]

Yeah, those bombs really have trouble getting through bushes. But didn't Hilda get stuck in the door?

[@mozzytrainer]

I would’ve thought that since Juliet seemed like such a burden to hilda that she would’ve quickly shipped Juliet out of London to live with her grandmother but I guess not

[@tartaninka]

​@@mozzytrainerNot all grandmothers are happy to see or look after their grandchild.

[@19jacinta88]

Juliet: “Mommy, I-” Mrs. Hulme: sends her away This isn’t bad parenting, this is pure crap. I wonder if Mrs. Hulme/Perry was aware that this was the legacy she left behind.

[@Valentina-Steinway]

@Lilian625: that was my mother. AND her parents who ended up raising me. Now they are all dead. What a legacy they left behind. I’m still mad about it.

[@maryjocassell48]

@@Valentina-Steinway ☮️💜

[@Valentina-Steinway]

@@maryjocassell48 ♥️🌹♥️

[@louiswindsor7334]

She didn't care

[@jcarroll135]

Also, look at 1930's article about outdoor baby cage, they actually built a type of play pin to hang outside, the windowsill of large buildings, sky scrappers, ect.. its By far the most terrifying thing I've ever seen made for babys!

[@Shannon-rq2hc]

That thing is terrifying. I wouldn’t let my cat hang out on it. 😹

[@mamajewelful]

My cats would love that though, lol!

[@johnabrooke]

I had to go look this up lol.

[@davidmack1022]

I've seen pictures of these. It TRULY boggles my mind that parents looked at these things and were like "Wow! Now THAT seems like a GREAT idea!! Let's do it!!" It's incredible how far baby and child safety has come in just a few decades.

[@sugarbabe5728]

I was literally going to comment about this exact thing..

[@gellis7975]

Minor correction: Heisenberg won the Nobel prize for physics, not the Peace Prize. Excellent video as usual, thanks.

[@StephanieHarlowe]

Thank you!

[@jackieacheson4928]

I must say, I didn't know there were different categories for the prize. I'm ashamed. Lol

[@missionron]

Isnt it the Nobel Peace prize?

[@jackieacheson4928]

@@missionron I just learned today, because of this, that it's the Nobel Prize, but the categories are separate. The Nobel peace prize is one of them.

[@jennj2049]

I didn't know either if it makes you feel better!

[@MaggOhEmGee]

Every morning making coffee 🎶She’s like a sickness in my brain🎶

[@shelbyhammons476]

Redhot Chickpeas Do you know the name of the song or who sings it?

[@kejt6953]

@@shelbyhammons476 I found it for you :D It's "Chemical love" by Johnny Cummings

[@MaggOhEmGee]

Kejt good cause I couldn’t find it lol

[@shelbyhammons476]

Yay! Thank you!

[@bethn9615]

I just watched a documentary called “Anne Perry- Interiors” and it was SO interesting to watch after your series on this. It seems that Juliet hasn’t changed at all she’s just living in a carefully constructed life, and I mean eerily constructed, and the documentary showed how she has a tribe of people who still cater to her every whim and their lives completely revolve around her happiness. There is even a friend who lives in an adjoining house to “Anne” who I highly suspect is her lover based on the way they interact with each other and by the way the woman speak about her. She never married and it would not be surprising if she had another woman in her grasp for 30+ years. I truly believe she is a sociopath. The documentary would be boring if you didn’t already know about this case but I found it really insightful after knowing the backstory.

[@OpheliaNL]

I recently watched the documentary as well and the way everyone behaved was odd to say the least. Their behaviours felt animated and almost scripted because they obviously wanted to portray themselves in a certain light. One scene that made me chuckle was when Perry had to state out of nowhere that some guy fancied her and all I could think was ''Is this seriously the way you're trying to convince people you're not gay?'' lmao. Poor attempt. Perhaps it was just the documentary that made it seem this way, but all the people around her felt more like servants than friends or confidants. As if she was playing court. The only two people who she did seem genuinely close to are her brother and the friend (Meg?) and even that seemed awfully toned down in the documentary. She seems to live a very constrained life that is meticulously constructed to her every whim. The people she surrounds herself with are people from her church who she financially compensates for their work and this creates a power-dynamic in which she has the upper-hand. These kinds of ''friendships'' will always be imbalanced. All of this said, I can also see why she would want to show an understated and secluded life on camera. I mean, she's not gonna harbor much sympathy if she'd be flaunting her wealth, throw jokes or have fun with the people around her. I can't comment on whether she's a sociopath or not. All I saw was a sad individual who has constructed a world where everything feels safe and yet keeps everything at arms-length. I could be wrong, but there does seem a high possibility that she is a lesbian and the negative connotations surrounding it because of the crime (and the era she was born in) makes her identify away from that. Joining a church doesn't only create a certain peace of mind and sense of community, it's also a good excuse to either ''pray the gay away'' or use it as a cover. You seriously can't tell me that a successful woman who wasn't the worst thing to look at never married or had any lengthy romances. The friendship with Meg seems like the closest possibility of a relationship without actually being in one, if you get what I mean. Life-partners if you will. Even if she committed a horrendous act, I can't help but feel sorry for her. She seems to live a sad life that's always cloaked in the shadows memory of her past.

[@virginiasmith7203]

I've been a fan of Anne Perry's novels for years. I only found out about her background after I had read most of her novels about a victorian policeman and his highborn wife. I did not, however, let it dissuade me from continuing to read her works. She is a fabulous writer and her historical research is very complete, imbuing her novels with period detail that I find fascinating.

[@maryjocassell48]

The Movie Heavenly Creatures with Kate Winslet is based on this true story too. ☮️💜

[@nwad3322]

I am 63 - when I was working on my Bachelor’s degree in 1976 in Child Development one of my teachers told us that when she was in college, schools would take in foster children and raise the in the Home Ec. cottage on the school campus. The students were told never to touch be baby unless they needed to be fed, bathed or changed. She said she felt immense guilt about participating in this practice and often wondered what happened psychologically to these children.

[@SynnJynn]

Ya, babies need that human touch or they end up emotionally unable to form bonds. There are studies showing this and of course actual kids that were damaged because of parents or institutions not giving them that attention.

[@indigoblue4791]

The children failed to thrive and even physical development can be arrested. Such a devolved parenting style. "Don't spoil the Baby!!" was a phase of the time!!

[@nadinewhite993]

That's so heartbreaking 😢

[@corettaha7855]

One has only to look at society to see what happened. I’ve never been so glad to come from poor uneducated people with common sense and consciences governing their behavior instead of status seeking and trendy intellectualism influencing them.

[@indigoblue4791]

@@corettaha7855 Well Said!!

[@SallyLovejoy]

Not many mothers left London when their children were evacuated during the Blitz. Most children were sent off alone. Their mothers were needed for War Work because all the men were away fighting. They worked in weapons factories, hospitals, drove buses and trams etc. It was no fun in the Anderson shelters. They were very damp and often flooded. 😊

[@corettaha7855]

It was surprising she didn’t know about that being a common situation considering it’s her favorite war. I don’t fault mothers at all for sending their children away to safer places even if it meant separation. Someone had to stay put to keep things running so they could beat Hitler, yet they still wanted their children to be physically safe. Heroic in my opinion. Even if they didn’t keep their children by their sides constantly.

[@anta3612]

@@corettaha7855 I know. I can't stand parent (particularly mother) blaming for everything. Sometimes life deals you a crap hand and many different factors can go into how you play that hand. It's also easy to judge from the comfort and safety from your modern sofa with the benefit of hindsight and more evolved understanding of child psychology (which wasn't commonly available back then nor was understanding of depression). Also in the past high infant mortality as well as frequent war meant that parents tended not to form strong bonds with their children early on (in case they didn't survive). We now know that it's detrimental to child development but they didn't have that knowledge in the past. Also parenting can differ vastly from culture to culture and I personally don't think Stephanie has the tools to be able to accurately assess these parents. It sounds like Hilda may very well have been an unpleasant person but that doesn't mean she didn't want or love her child. While the author of this video has every right to her personal likes and dislikes I don't think it's fair to the listener to present them in such a way as to sound like facts. If you have a moment please take a look at how she responded to one of my comments merely because I was presenting another view to her argument.

[@anta3612]

I know. Even the King and Queen stayed in London while their daughters were sent away: they set the example for the rest of the country. Every adult had to do their bit for the war effort and it was vital that the next generation survive which is why they were sent to safety. Everyone was required to sacrifice for the good of the whole country. The Anderson shelters may look quirky and interesting today (from the comfort of our modern homes) but they were not much fun to be in. As you said they were often flooded, could also be quite smelly and infested with vermin. Add to that the total darkness (as you know all lighting had to be out so as not to attract enemy planes) most probably Juliet at 3 would have been terrified and perhaps Hilda, by getting into the shelter first, was trying to reassure her that it was safe. Fact is we don't know how things went but what annoys me is that, as it's obvious she doesn't like Hilda (which is her right), Stephanie presents her judgmental opinion as fact ... or at least that's the way it comes across or could come across to some.

[@projectionv.accountability1010]

@@anta3612 This is the same argument for why we can't "cancel" history. You cannot judge the past by current standards. That being said, a crappy mom is a crappy mom. Not everyone is meant to be a mom or willing to provide love and affection. This has nothing to do with "that time".

[@anta3612]

@@projectionv.accountability1010 True but we don't know how events unfolded. There are many factors worth considering and the examples provided in this video are just not enough to determine whether or not Juliet's mother was a crappy mother or not. Also Stephanie is interpreting the situation from a comfortable distance, time and culture therefore her interpretation is bound to be flawed. Also love and affection look different in different cultures and Britain has a very different culture from America. No-one has a right to judge a another's culture based on its own standards (which also may have evolved over time).

[@ResidentMilf]

Werner Heisenberg was driving down the street when he got pulled over by a cop. The cop asked, "Do you know how fast you were going?" Heisenberg replied "No, but I know exactly where I am." I'll show myself out.

[@SjofnBM1989]

That was a real knee slapper

[@virginia7612]

I

[@jameshicks8982]

as an intellectual myself ill pretend i get this💀

[@Annasea666]

According to the Uncertainty Principle, you can know where a particle is, or u can know how fast it is traveling, but never both at the same time. I think. I'm not certain Ba dum tish

[@TheStar798]

@ResidentMilf - 👏💐 Nicely done! 😂

[@antonelabakavic4045]

That "birds" interruption was so sweet and funny. The way you smiled, while talking about being a Cinderella ( with birds singing the background)was so adorable and lovely. It really made my day. 💕

[@cheyennewarner5801]

“WWII was my favorite war.” Lmfao.

[@pengarth1459]

I’m from the uk 🇬🇧 when I was little I’d spend every summer with my grandparents up in Scotland . In their back garden they still had Anderson shelter , we played house in there and spent many rainy days snuggled up in there with a book and my cousins playing the days away

[@kimberlyrivas4647]

HEADMISTRESS : your daughter and her friend may be gay and in an intimate relationship Hilda: naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[@moorek1967]

From what my mother told me about those days, a lot of people didn't think or talk about lesbians. My grandfather was gay but married by grandmother because it was expected to get married and have children. From what my mother said, my grandmother simply ignored that he was gay. So I am gay and my mother still tries to think that way from what they did before. My mother couldn't even say the words womb and pregnant. But to be lesbian then wasn't really taken seriously, but there were a lot of things people ignored. I remember the day my mother's light bulb light up when she finally realized her great-aunt was gay and lived with a woman for a long time. It was truly a face palming moment when she said "I wonder why my aunt lived so long with that woman and didn't get married (long pause), wait, do you think she was gay?" Yes mother, considering the fact you also said she not only lived with the woman, you told me that she would kiss her openly in front of people. Anyway, those times were different than today.

[@katiePetsy]

My neighbour still has an Anderson shelter at the back of her garden but it is currently used by a little family of foxes. Quite a few of us put out leftovers at night for the foxes so I doubt they'll be leaving. It'd be cool to have a look around but we don't want to startle the animals

[@sharoncropp6101]

It is a well known fact the British love animals of a;; shapes, types ans sizes. That is so sweet to put out leftovers for the foxes

[@suzimonkey345]

Most Londoners in working class communities built their Anderson Shelters next to the back wall of their house, just outside the back door (gardens/backyards were very small anyway) so if the house got hit by a bomb it would collapse burying its occupants! 😟 I don’t know why better instructions weren’t given. Several of my family members died this way. 😔

[@Druzica18]

Me throughout most of this video: "OH HILDA NOOOO"

[@dulcimerthefairy4793]

Another random fact: I went to high school with Juliet Hulme’s great-niece, in Zimbabwe. And I moved to Christchurch in 2002. So I’ve always been really interested in this case.

[@xvenacavax]

That’s pretty cool actually 😳

[@Lollipop_Lexi]

Just some friendly feedback, a “plummy” accent (pronounced as in tummy) is one where someone speaks like they have a plum in their mouth-in a very rounded, “posh”, very upper-class english way. It is a little bit different than having a spoken manner like cut glass, which you described very well. Great vid .

[@StephanieHarlowe]

Thanks! That's just what it said online!

[@ashleyvestal9030]

I want to invent a "teenager in a box. A soundproof one." :)

[@justineharper3346]

I would buy one. 😂

[@margaritacordova7893]

😆 yess!!

[@echopine8974]

As I teenager I agree. No more nagging parents

[@Teaandabuscut]

@@echopine8974 we nagg because we love and care 😁

[@wolfeblister2503]

As an adult I think people dismiss teenager’s feelings far too much. Sometimes they’re unreasonable and reactionary but sometimes adults are too. My mum and I never had issues when I was a teenager because she was understanding and took the time to have conversations with me instead of just strong-arming me. We’re all far too quick to joke on kids while forgetting we were kids once.

[@ontxtteredwxngs]

whole family: mistreats and abandons juliet juliet: kills whole family: shocked pikachu meme

[@beverlyford6083]

Girl the details!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 we should be paying you for this content with the work you put in it.

[@StephanieHarlowe]

Beverly Ford awwww you’re so sweet ❤️

[@b1k2q34]

Essentially we are paying her.......

[@imjustanasshlesometimes3488]

I'm pregnant.... the air crib made me cry.... ugh hormones. How mean! Would love psychology in history. Yesssss!!! Love you and your videos. Lots of love xo💓💕💖

[@kristinamullen4066]

Have you had your baby yet?I wish you an easy birth and a healthy baby!!

[@luciasardo1176]

Me too.

[@suelamborja9010]

So I looked into this a bit and Dr. Skinner never ment for this product to be used to just leave your child in there. It was mostly for bed time so the child could sleep undressed even in homes that didn't have heating. His own daughter would mostly stay there for sleeping and ocasionally play in there. It was never created as a way to abandon your child. I think it was also his fear of SIDS and living in a very cold climate at the time in a house with no central heating that made him create this product.

[@Dragon.Thistle.112]

The birds are no distraction, they’re nice to hear 🙂

[@sandrag3854]

Currently 32:00 mins. into the video. The irony of Hilda being so desperate for attention (especially at parties) when little Juliet is equally desperate for her mother's attention. Very sad.

[@Kat-tr2ig]

Yes, times were different back then and children were not nurtured and loved and held like now, but it's pretty apparent that Hilda had histrionic personality disorder and narcisistic personality disorder. Can't say I feel sorry for her.

[@laumarlopez8417]

Katie Frank yeah It seems more like historic. I know because an ex friend has very similar characteristics I got so tired of her acting so above others that I told and she left so offended. Then she began to harassing me.

[@Annasea666]

I’m born in 1962. When I was about 10 I asked my mother for a hug. She told me not to be so stupid. 😢

[@aliciamarcel3620]

Anna KW oh nooo. I feel sad for you. Shame on her

[@sheenaalexis8710]

Anna KW *hugs*

[@POCKET21923]

this is one of my favorites! It's not one that is "overdone" by everyone else! I know you will do it justice just like you always do. does anybody else hit the thumbs up button before they even listen to Stephanie?

[@TheStar798]

🙋🏾‍♀️😄

[@skyjust828]

when you speak of Rosemary I know that even in the 70's my aunt had a douns syndrome baby (she was 42) and the doctors suggested they put her in a facility it may have been because they had 7 other children, but they wouldn't hear of it. this "child " (my cousin Sarah) is a happy, mentally 13 yr old girl of she'll be 42 in October 😁 l love her!!!

[@melissamarie7598]

You should make a podcast...your voice is so calming!

[@b1k2q34]

Nah. This is better than a podcast.

[@0Flow0]

"Hide your kids, hide your wife" 😅 you're hilarious

[@StephanieHarlowe]

It popped into my head! 😂

[@LisaBabe85]

Ok, I was listening to this and literally drove past the Anderson Shelter in my neighbour's garden at the bottom of my street right as you mentioned an Anderson Shelter! 😱😱😱😱😱

[@Rose-lz2et]

Juliet was definitely abandoned, if the mother didn't want to accept the motherly role, then she would have given both of her children away but she just sent Juliet to live with strangers, poor girl, her parents didn't care about her.

[@MariaGonzalez-mp4ee]

The amount of research you’ve done for this video series really shows your dedications and I love it. I can’t think of any other KZbinr who goes this much in-depth while keeping it clear and easy and easy to follow. I love it- I’m defiantly subscribing :)

[@StephanieHarlowe]

Thank you!!!

[@sarab3417]

Hopefully not too defiantly!

[@carriejustice7433]

Why are you being defiant by subscribing? Who told you not to? Definitely

[@taethetical]

I literally get so happy when I see an upload from you steph!!

[@StephanieHarlowe]

Awww thank you!

[@sammysabo]

Taethetic me too !! 😊

[@WRECKALIENS]

I have an Anderson shelter in the back of my garden but it’s mostly covered with dirt. My dad showed me and helped me dig it up after I leant about ww2 in primary school. It is quite cool when you think about it (:

[@dianakirby4303]

I'm glad the bar on "crime content"has been raised to a new high .There is no competition at an equivalent level of professionalism. High five,Harlowe, even your name is uniquely well suited for your channel.

[@elliebirch6451]

I know my great grandmother turned her Anderson Shelter into a shrine for the Virgin Mary after the war. Love the videos, Stephanie! Even if you mis-pronounce English place names 😜 love from the UK! Xxxx

[@racheldawson9395]

I know we all do it but it does make me chuckle. It was the plumey instead of plummy that got me 😆

[@rosepry5223]

Omg the birds love your voice as much as we do!

[@StephanieHarlowe]

Those birds were messing with me.. lol

[@conniemarkarian7792]

This story has always fascinated me. It's literally how not to raise a child. Thank you, Stephanie.

[@Rohan-nc8jt]

I live in Christchurch & was an extra in the movie Heavenly Creatures when I was their age - quite surreal hearing you retell their story. Lots of memories.

[@spook2925]

10:15 My grandmother was a London Bomb Evacuee, meaning she was one of hundreds of children that were evacuated from London and out into the English countryside for their safety from the Blitzkrieg. She eventually grew up and moved to America, and she still has the gas mask to prove it. It used to scare me when I was little but she found it amusing

[@chelseacarrier3170]

When you said the babies were like hamsters, I imagined a baby in that dang box drinking off a hamsters water bottle. 😂😂😂 It's sad, but funny. 🙃

[@mayaswaminathan8023]

It is like the family does not want Juliet to be a part of their dynamic, which is so weird to me. Great job on the video Stephanie! So excited for what this series turns into!

[@kaylaeileen4704]

I'm from Christchurch, New Zealand. This case has always given me chills. I remember about seven years ago in my drama class, performing a scene from the film, adapted obviously, and reciting this poem. It gives me so many chills. I've been to victoria park. It is so beautiful there, and if you didn't know what occurred there by the hands of these two girls, you would never have known. This is the second time I have watched these videos by Stephanie, and it is covered so well.

[@lenacummings22]

stephanie: *says somethinig of basic logic* "now thats just my opinion" so she doesn't get hate for using logic. I love it she's so cute

[@captainkolding]

Excellent video! I look forward to PART TWO. I like how you describe the neglect that formed Juliet's character. A lot of sarcasm about the parents attitude toward her. They deserve all the sarcasm you can heap on them. Very selfish parents.

[@frankimiller2910]

*casually watching* “Hide your kids hide your wife” 😂😂😂

[@michellelotero4079]

it sounds like they both experienced a manic episode together ( the staying up all night, grandiose thoughts)

[@mozzytrainer]

I don’t want to speculate but i wonder if they experimented with drugs. I’m not sure though

[@draccara8]

I feel like what Juliet may have been experiencing was Maladaptive Daydreaming. It is characterized by vivid and richly detailed daydreams which can be a form of escapism and become compulsive. Usually, it stems from being a coping mechanism due to past or recurring trauma.

[@poohcanplay123]

Does it stem from trauma?

[@nicoleotto5505]

This was one of my favourite cases to research , because it happened where I live. New Zealand doesn’t have as many cases compared to the rest of the world, really cool that you covered it Haha we prounounce our place names a bit different with the vows , but you did better then most people who come here 😊😊

[@StephanieHarlowe]

I'm glad! LOL, I tried

[@heather_doestruecrime]

I love that you talk about your patreons by name & wish them happy birthdays. Never seen anyone do that! Youre so genuine.

[@StephanieHarlowe]

Aww thank you Heather!

[@tygervandervoort1698]

❤

[@chloedassler6156]

I am a huge WWII buff too, and yes, it is a never-ending study. Also, you made me cackle with "Ugh, this baby wants so much attention... I can't even" 🤣🤣

[@maria7694]

This reminded me of how my English teacher always used to say whilst we studied Frankenstein that creativity is good uptil the point it becomes obsession and that obsession with anything is dangerous

[@Bmeowmeow]

This story fascinates me! So glad you're covering this 🥰🙌

[@iridizousa8578]

It seems to me like both girls where depersonalising, trying to disconnect themselves from their real lives in order to avoid feeling the pain and anger trauma causes and the effects of emotional - and probably physical - neglect. Only they weren't able to do that successfully, thus carrying the pain and anger into an imaginary world where there were no real consequences.

[@backwardsbandit8094]

Yo heavenly creatures was a really weird but hard hitting movie. I heard Kate Winslet developed psychological trauma from getting too into character, she was only 19.

[@juliazimdars1126]

Should I be scared that this was one of my favorite movies. Since 1992. Still have the movie. Wow. Thank you for doing this!!!

[@ntkitten85]

I thought I knew this case well... boy was I wrong! You give so much detail and background on each individual person and I love for it. Thank you for all of the work you put into these cases!

[@michellestratford9753]

I've always loved Anne Perry's novels and was fascinated when I found out about her past. Thank you for covering this.

[@Kelfieb]

This sounds like the premise for a twisted Anne of green gables

[@browniehendricks3726]

Very funny.

[@twatquat3322]

@@browniehendricks3726 Yes, Lol

[@lexiconwell6976]

Frickin love that 😊 I'd thought it too, with these "kindred spirits"

[@thefatherrabbit]

So weird hearing about that air crib and the whole "baby in a box" thing. When I was a baby, my grandmother used to put blankets in those boxes you get from Costco, prop me up with a pillow and call me her baby in a box. Of course, that was just because she had Parkinson's disease and couldn't hold me for long periods of time.

[@jacksbaldhead8326]

FINALLY someone doing a good deep dive into these two! I saw Heavenly Creatures when it first hit DVD and was blown away by it. Geez... I'm old. lolol! Anyway, I'm excited for this whole series!!!

[@StephanieHarlowe]

Jack's Bald Head thank you!!!

[@Annasea666]

It’s a beautiful movie with a very dark theme. Directed by Peter Jackson, who went on to direct Lord of the Rings.

[@PhoenixRising87]

I actually first learned about this case a few weeks ago and had two thoughts: - I realized that this case inspired a Simpsons episode ("Lisa the Drama Queen"; it would've been better as a Treehouse of Horror, but the episode was still pretty good); -I was disturbed because I was reminded of a rather toxic friendship I had when I was 19 with a woman who seemed...very possessive and detached from reality.

[@ciaraskeleton]

I wish you were a tutor, lecturer or teacher at my Uni! You have talents in so many areas. I love your attention to detail, historical and psychological accuracy and how you balance all of it whilst giving the victims the respect they deserve. You are so eloquent!

[@TheStar798]

There are a lot of hidden Anderson shelters in London - they've sunk quite a bit over the years so can be seen on grass verges, and communal areas as grassed over 'humps'. Some have been seeded with a riot of flowers. A lot of house plots were moved after being bombed so they can be spotted in weird places. (ps: A posh/affected accent used to be called a "plummy" accent - pronounced like the fruit plum😊) . Much love from the UK 🇬🇧

[@MBeckii]

I’m currently nearly 5 months pregnant and your videos are really helping me chill and unwind especially when I’m not feeling great ! 🤰thank you!

[@thesunnyleo]

MBeckii I’m 4 months pregnant 🥰

[@SandyTheDesertFox]

Lots of pregnant people in this comment section... I assume you've had the baby since? :)

[@Annasea666]

Do you have a box to keep it in?

[@kimberlysomething9012]

Me too! Bumps probably going to recognise steps voice more then mine xxx

[@kimberlysomething9012]

😂

[@TakiMomoify]

Okay I know it’s not supposed to be funny, but “the babies were like hamsters” is a sentence I could never have expected to hear lmao 😂

[@jcarroll135]

Maybe its just the nature of the show, but when she pauses to notice the birds, I picture a creepy guy in a van, with binoculars singing " Why do birds suddenly appear every time you are near... Just like me they long to be.. .. Close to you.." Lmao 🤣 so specific I know, but I swear thats what I picture.. I LOVE your insight, one of the best channels I have found, so please keep them coming !! Ty

[@magixshiz2543]

Me, mid video: *gasp* lesbians?? :D Me, remembering what I’m watching: *gasp* lesbians?? D:

[@loganlovesdubstep]

Lmao yeah

[@robinsonhomestead4745]

It's kinda funny that having a mind of your own was seen as a bad thing back then.

[@ElstheElder]

Loving this as ever Stephanie: as I watch, it occurs to me that in order to help you get your head around Hilda's "parenting style", I would look more into the concept of the British "stiff upper lip." My grandparents, happily still going strong in their 90s, were brought up in the "children should be seen and not heard" style - damaging at best, I'm sure you'll agree - as was the similar notion, "spare the rod, spoil the child." (So many kinds of wrong, but it was what it was.) Looking forward to part 2. xxx

[@StephanieHarlowe]

Oh yes, I'm sure it had a lot to do with the time period and the culture. So sad to me, but hopefully now as parents we are breaking that cycle.

[@elsabatista2228]

This movie was so good. I remember watching it when i still lived in Germany, in like 1996. As soon as i saw this thumbnail, i knew what this video was about. Good job, lovely Stephanie!💜

[@glynniswalker6591]

My grandparents had an Anderson shelter. They even took the cat in there during the Blitz. After the war they kept it and my grandmother used to make my grandfather go in there to smoke his pipe. The cat lived to be 24.

[@rhiannonbeth4352]

So everyone in my house is fast asleep.... and I literally laughed out loud at ‘hide ya kids, hide ya wife’ 😂😂😂😂

[@lindsaybrewer3689]

Rocking (the original American Girl doll) Kirsten’s hairstyle💗

[@StephanieHarlowe]

Lindsay Brewer I was wearing my Mary Janes, too 😂

[@Hi-qe9gt]

yesss!!! i has that doll (i think) and few other american girl dolls growing up:0

[@cakeandnumbers]

This makes me want to go home and hug both of my girls until they get mad at me for loving them so much!

[@knight671]

I find it so fascinating that habits (or obsessions) that exist now were happening all those years ago. You could call what the girls were doing “character roleplaying”. Even today some individuals become so immersed in their roleplaying world that they genuinely believe that their characters are their real personas.