AN OLDY BUT A GOODY! 5th SS Panzer Deck Build and Review- Steel Division 2

[@CarolusRex1]

The military police actually effect normal infantry too. Their main job is to remove the disheartened trait sure, but it also doesn't allow the squads to surrender(Including non disheartened units). So basically it functions like a leader without the extra veterancy.

[@donnym3415]

Yeah which is pretty useful. Also the 4 MP40s can help if you get forced into CQC

[@owlyon]

so basically like the "fanatical" trait?

[@CarolusRex1]

@@owlyon yeah pretty much

[@jankristek1891]

Its from DLC/expansion: Death on the Vistula. I see that in AA tab, there is still unusable 4 point slot, where you can't put anything. 😂 Better transfer it to AT tab.

[@tedarcher9120]

Classic

[@boringpolitician]

7:51 - Ackchyually... There's 8 of them. So if you up-vet leaders in A-phase you'll have 2 leaders (dual vetted) in A and 6 leaders (single vetted) in B. Thus, you'll have all 6 of the 251/10's.

[@czwarty7878]

I think 251/10 deserves a buff too. It should be a hard counter to armored cars and halftracks but it often loses vs everything but MG-armed vehicles; it loses vs both 20mm autocannons and allied light guns, the 37mm on M8, and not even starting with 45mm on BA-10 Some aim time buff would be helping a lot, because it has such a slow turn rate and then has to slowly aim too, which means it almost never gets first shot off. Which makes it lose often vs majority of things. Plus with weak pen on max range it sometimes bounces even off halftracks lol... RoF is same as 251/9 and SdKfz233 with 75mm, so it's not an advantage either. I just wish there were legitimate reasons to take it over 251/9 sometimes, and if it got buffed in anti-vehicle role it would actually be worth taking If it got buff to aim time + RoF it could actually go toe to toe vs things like autocars and M8s on up to 1000m, it would still be weaker as it's outranged (allied 37mm has 1250m range) but at least it would have some useful niche as close range defense vs armored car rush

[@tedarcher9120]

German 75mm is overpowered as hell

[@BlitkriegsAndCoffee]

There have been strong hints from ST about buffs to some of these German AT halftracks.

[@tedarcher9120]

It always wins against American 37 tho, double the rate of fire. If it is in range of course

[@czwarty7878]

@@tedarcher9120 in theory it should, in practice I found that I struggle to ever make it work (and I tried, a lot, I like these weaker and rare vehicles like that) They always lose vs 37mm armed cars, and sometimes even lose vs .50cals at their range, because they get suppressed so fast while missing shots. I think it's because 251s are very slow and have terrible turn speed, so it takes a lot to turn to target, and then mid aim time on top of that means they don't get the first shot. If they get even slightly suppressed, it's over, they will miss shot after shot and die. Also if I'm not mistaken 251 has 4 HP, while M8 has 6. And as 37mm has 4dmg, it means 251/10 needs 2 hits with penetration to kill M8, while M8 only needs one hit to kill 251

[@czwarty7878]

@@BlitkriegsAndCoffee Yeah I'm praying for it. I just hope it won't be something like "reduced cost to 10" because this will change nothing about their problem, they will remain weak and not worth taking no matter the cost

[@owlyon]

Happy you are well and uploading ATKPWRgaming! Looking forward to more videos from you.

[@k98_zock_tv47]

SDKFZ 251/10 = ALWAYS There are divisions, where the things come only with military police (the weak 4-men squad with MP40's) and I take them ... always ;)

[@usg-647]

Thank you for explaining the arty accuracy rate (shows direct fire % to hit - never knew that b4 yr vids).

[@Ian-Casper]

The FW190 D-9 is too fast for its own good. With only 2 20mm you really need the Veterancy to shoot something down, otherwise it just zooms past its prey. I would absolutely put them in B-Phase with Vet1. It makes a huge difference on that unit.

[@Thehellhound100]

The hummel feels worse than the crewed version because they have worse dispersion (less range on the files)

[@tedarcher9120]

Interesting, wonder why

[@czwarty7878]

and lower RoF. about time they fixed that

[@Thehellhound100]

@@czwarty7878 No, RoF is the same for both guns, you are mistaken smoke RoF being 5 vs the HE being 4

[@czwarty7878]

@@Thehellhound100 no I mean the time to reload, they both round up to 4 rounds per minute but Hummel has slightly longer reload time. which means that sFH18 will finish barrage quicker than Hummel or is that not true anymore?

[@Thehellhound100]

@@czwarty7878 as far as I know they finish the abrrage at the same time, only diff being smoke having a faster RoF

[@vseznamus8862]

10:00 What a redicilous statement to make, mister power! The ability to outrange any 1750 things in the open and strike them first is very important. Double t3485 with 2k and good vet can supress and kill an 88 or say IG33 very fast. And the pen chance scales with the range. If 1944 is equal to a firefly 1943 is utterly behind. Its only chance is to bully Sherman's of both variants at ranhe

[@helpinghelper4151]

The strength of T-34-85 43 is mostly the APCR, imo. It allows it to punch above its weight (panthers, tiger1, IS2 43). Sure, it shuts down allied medium tanks at close ranges, too, but it will trade down with panzer4 and stugs. However, Its weird to me that T-34-85 44 didnt go down in price after losing apcr. Same cost as firefly which is actually reliable at sniping tiger1 and panthers at max range and for what? More speed, one more mmg and more HE rounds? I feel like my 85 44 is only there to sling HE at pak40 in the open and shoot axis medium tanks and tds at 1750-2000m, and to try and trade vs tiger1 and panther at close range (but 85-43 does it better because its cheaper). It kinda feels like you are paying more, for less chance to kill heavier armor, while having the ability to outrange medium stuff. I would propose at least a 5pts price buff to this captured one, in a similar fashion non apcr captured 45mm gun and su76m pt cost 5pts less. 5th wiking isnt OP, no oppresive bs units. Or maybe captured no apcr 85 43 stays the same price, apcr soviet ones 100pts and 85 44 costs 100 or 105 pts. Maybe i am just overvaluating APCR and range, but its something to think about...

[@jackjack-sm2jg]

Yes you are overvaluing apcr. Soviet apcr only becomes effective at 1200m range and at that range, the regular ap shell is still better due to its higher damage. Above 1200m, the regular ap has higher pen. The 44 variant’s ap shell, having more range, has increased accuracy and penetration compared to the 43’s ap shell. The 44 is flat out better. The only thing Soviet apcr can be used in mass for is engaging king tigers, elephants, and sturmtigers at 400m-800m (depending on what cat you’re fighting) or less range frontally. At that point just call in a plane or rush infantry.

[@firstnamelastname1760]

Sturmpios to 25pts? Ouch

[@owlyon]

They need a HP buff if they do this. 5 man squad at 25 points is weak. very weak.

[@BlitkriegsAndCoffee]

Upcoming MP-40 buff forced the price up.

[@firstnamelastname1760]

@@BlitkriegsAndCoffee What about Reit Jägers from Hartneck for example?

[@BlitkriegsAndCoffee]

@@firstnamelastname1760 No idea yet. Sturmpios were the only example listed.

[@JoeWanni]

@@BlitkriegsAndCoffee Isn't a buff supposed to make a unit better? Why immediately counter it with a price nerf?

[@DronescApe]

great division one of my fav

[@blooddef]

why?

[@DronescApe]

@blooddef cos it is, and I like them 😉

[@blooddef]

@@DronescApe but genuine question, why is it, havent gotten around to using them yet :)

[@DronescApe]

@blooddef a number of reasons mate. 1- good Armoured units nice mix. 2 - Air is good with 2 decks of Anti tank planes, mix of bombers. 3 - Arty is mixed with rockets and mobile arty units avaliable. If you have them mate I would highly recommend using them and you will see what I mean 😉

[@CK-530]

Hello yes I was the buddy from the beginning

[@tedarcher9120]

T-34-85 1944 has way more pen at 1750m range though

[@czwarty7878]

Yeah exactly plus you're not supposed to try and duel Fireflies and Panthers. The extra range allows you to bully Panzer IVs, StuGs, even PaK40s while staying safe. And extra pen+extra acc on 1750m also is noticeable

[@redgaarden8101]

I thought it only had more accuracy? But 43 get apcr at 1500.

[@czwarty7878]

@@redgaarden8101 see that's the common mistake people do. T-34/85 obr44 uses stronger ammo which loses less pen on range. On 1750m it has higher pen than T-34/85 obr43, AND it has higher pen than APCR on 1500m. APCR loses penetration quickly, so on 1500m you actually have less pen with APCR than with normal gun of T-34-85 obr44. APCR starts having advantage only at 1200m.

[@tedarcher9120]

I think upvetter mg-34 pgrens in C are significantly better, and you only lose 3

[@ThePoutinePrince]

352nd next? It's my favourite division by far. Jagdpanther spam is what God intended for this green earth.

[@ranick0622]

jagpanther always lose against 17 pounders guns

[@ThePoutinePrince]

@@ranick0622 not with that attitude

[@tedarcher9120]

Maybe increase sturmpipneers to 8 man?