An UpRight Fridge in a Troopy is a Terrible idea. Full Metal Rant @4xoverland

[@4xoverland]

The purpose if this video is to generate discussion of the topic, because many will disagree. And I'm really fine with that. But insult me and you'll not comment on this channel again.

[@mini_steve]

Oh, I do so enjoy when you go off on one of your "old man rants". It makes me feel normal.

[@iVisual.sambonkowski]

In this day and age It’s refreshing to see a grown up man who feels so passionate about a…fridge…

[@James-j2k1w]

😂

[@Winky_Eye]

Breaking news: old man rants about fridge 😅

[@thomasdobson3823]

No fridge in mine😢… upright or not I’d be alright with anything 😅

[@rebelarcher5450]

An upright fridge lets all the cold air spill out every time you open the door , A chest fridge the cold air stays trapped down in the bottom , meaning the fridge will chew less power of the 12v system trying to get the compartment back to temperature as far as I understand it .

[@GCTO239]

Exactly. I also left a similar comment.

[@porcobene_media]

I agree. And this let me think, why stationary fridges at home build almost all as upright fridges.

[@paulburdett1228]

I don’t really understand why the big rant !! I’ve done a upright fridge and in my opinion its the best configuration for a troopy by far (Note in my opinion there’s only one upright fridge that fits or at least this is the only one i could find) If we parked them side by side you’d have to eat your words or at least some of them. ( Or i could quickly make you a sandwich as my fridge is so assessable lol😂) Why not take a look at what other people have done there’s pros and cons to everything. What i hear when listening to your video Andrew is that I’ve made a huge mistake and don’t know what I’m doing…. When in fact we should be proud of all the different ideas people come up with in these amazing trucks. Maybe you could see my Troopy and say its a real surprise and I think it’s fantastic but I’ll stick with my chest fridge. Or just see it and go wow !! I this is the first one that I’ve seen that works. Note - its not noisy, I don’t have to sift around digging for items, I’m only 172cm so I couldn’t reach your fridge even if i want to put it there. Yes you can’t get into it when were in the truck. Well you can its a little tricky i must admit but i never really feel the need to once I’m inside I’m normally going to bed. This could be fixed by moving the fridge back a 100mm (next time 😂) I value all your experience and your opinions but remember they are just that. Others also have experience keep up the good work you are an amazing person sometimes i just don’t get the rants. 🤷‍♂️

[@stevewebber3922]

WOW. Last week you made one of your best "non travelling" videos ever on Lithium batteries, and 7 days later you drop this nonsense. Almost everything you complained about is wrong. You say that upright fridges rattle, You just don't know how to pack them properly. It doesn't take much. My glove box rattles more then my fridge. They don't get in the way when climbing into the back and they don't inhibit access. I can get to at least 2/3s of the gear in my Troopy while still standing on the ground. Of course it's your channel and you have the right to rant, but this video, and claiming that a Troopy is the wrong vehicle for those of us with an upright fridge was just an insult to those of us who have designed the interior of our Troopys to make an upright fridge work. I'm looking forward to better content next video.

[@2UZFE]

Totally agree Andrew,plus the one thing that got my attention was the power draw of a fridge/freezer upright over my chest fridge. Thank you as always 👍🍻

[@NAStheNomad]

Does an upright fridge draw a lot more current than a chest fridge?

[@oldbloke204]

A comment I saw recently that made a lot of sense, imo, was that every time you open an upright fridge/freezer all the cold will fall out but not with a chest type appliance as the cold air sits in the bottom of it. Any cold air that is lost has to be replaced using power, obviously. Mind you I use an esky so no practical experience of either really.

[@2UZFE]

@@NAStheNomad absolutely !!

[@NAStheNomad]

@@2UZFE thank you

[@PaulBrookerJOURNi]

Not that simple…often the chest fridge will need to be opened longer to get the stuff that’s buried in the bottom - the cold air is soon lost.

[@PeterAcrat]

🤔 How's that Blood Pressure mate? Funny how our time enjoyed in relaxing outdoor places get shattered by concepts that for all the world only have their private presence - in our mind 🍻☮

[@MrDaanram]

We had an upright in our troopy and travelled around oz for a year with it. It was perfect. I guess the size of the frdge matters?

[@Travisinaustralia1]

I have an upright fridge in my Troop carrier fitted to the side. I can open the fridge door from the outside and inside with the rear barn doors closed. There's nothing wrong with an upright fridge. Plenty of people have them including Andrews mate Shaurn and Ronny Dahl who spoke of the positives of the upright fridge to his 500,000+ followers on his YT channel

[@colinfwalters]

@@Travisinaustralia1 The comment about them rattling is also totally incorrect. I have one in my Mercedes Sprinter and it makes no sound. Wouldn’t swap it for a chest fridge.

[@Travisinaustralia1]

@@colinfwalters Totally agree. I initially had a chest fridge and found using it cumbersome. So when I had the fitout professionally done, I opted for the upright fridge and it was one of the best decisions from a practical viewpoint. The Spinter is a great setup 👍

[@James-j2k1w]

@@Travisinaustralia1 Fromdog....? ??

[@markusmaier6009]

Why do you rant about a topic like this? Would it not be better to explain the reasons why not to use an upright fridge? I still watched the video to understand the pro and cons, but it felt unpleasant.

[@etienne_oosthuizen]

Andrew i believe you are wrong, you will still have brilliant access to 56.87 % of the back of the vehicle.

[@shaneyule3484]

100% correct. You absolutely need a place to hang out in extended shit weather. rooftops and awnings don't cut it.

[@alexandremilan2189]

The problem is not about the fridge in the troopy. Most of the troopy have the hallway in the middle and not in front of the small door. So when you want to get in you need to open the tire carrier, then the small door and then the big door. If you put your hallway in front of the small door you can consider any kind of fridge and storage

[@travisnoe4270]

I run my troopy as a 5 seat wagon setup, with an upright fridge and I love it. Wouldn't go back to a chest fridge.

[@Mr.XRED1976]

A chest fridge has so many grate possibilities like you can access from the inside and outside of the vehicle and use it as a seat and table. And just recently i went to a public park where you couldn't park the car next to the tables or BBQ, so i just took out my chest fridge and put it next to the BBQ LOL the other people that came to the BBQ had an up right fridge but they had to keep walking back and forwards to the car all day LoLo many grate positive things you can do with chest fridge.

[@benjohnson5887]

Alright mister angry, calm down.

[@johnbrinkers9172]

I think he forgot to take his Prozac

[@benjohnson5887]

He will do himself an injury carrying on like that😅

[@4xoverland]

You are confusing stress with passion. Passion is a performance additive for life.

[@BubblesTheCat1]

Be careful. You'll be banned forever.🤭

[@GCTO239]

Andrew, when will you present your beautiful Troopy? Can’t wait.

[@4xoverland]

Filming it in December on a camp Im taking down south with Gwynn.

[@GCTO239]

@4xoverland great. Sounds fantastic. Looking forward to watching it. Have fun!

[@rigobertogomez25]

Love me a good ole monologue jajaja😆. Content is always entertaining!📽️🎞️📺

[@XynxNet]

While I don't see the advantage of an upright fridge, I think it is more an upright frigde vs. classic troopy interior design problem, than a general one.

[@krazy2094]

My wife loves a upright fridge in her troopy she goes everywhere with it, my mistress doesn’t even know what a fridge is win win

[@porcobene_media]

So i had a upright fridge in a VW Bus (and with a lot of off-roading and bad roads). I had it for 18 Years. No rattle from the inside of the fridge ever. Never. You could fill them like the chest ones as well. This point is not really valid tho. See it from the space usage: it was not high, so i could fit the same in my Defender (which is almost similar space wise) and could open it. The design of the build would make it possible without any issues. The only argument for me is that if you are in hot countries, you need to make sure to keep the thing staying cold. And this is the point of the chest fridges. You don’t loose that much temperature when opening. (Btw: i love my Engel Box and would never change, but i ratteling and accessibility is not the point for me personally)

[@Topmodd]

Totally disagree on every point you made, I'm 6'8 and have no problems with an 85ltr upright, my 2 cents 😊

[@johnbrinkers9172]

Oh dear, must be so stressful getting so worked up over a fridge.

[@4xoverland]

You are confusing stress with passion. Passion is a performance additive for life.

[@Malc664]

​@@4xoverlandLol. Us fans are concerned for your health, because you don't seem calm. So passion it is.

[@terranowe]

havnt heard much about the bus 4x4 lately... any news on that build?

[@4xoverland]

Its going full speed ahead. But progress is slow. We can't just buy stuff and fit it. We have to design, develop and test almost all of it.

[@placesweexplore]

Seeing you being so into the topic is so amazing 🤩 you are a real storyteller and overlander. As other accounts nearly swapping to a 4WD show you stay as you are. Over years! That’s what makes you so authentic 😊 cheers from Germany 🇩🇪

[@keithpattison6763]

Hello Andrew, The only thing in my comment, that is relevant to this video, is that you mentioned reading a book. I have just finished reading "Torn Trousers", that my Daughter bought me for Father's Day. What a good read and I was disappointed when I came to the end. It could have just kept going. Thank you for it.

[@terrydactyl7708]

He’s quite uptight about the upright

[@mrwoody2]

i've been going through the same process of deciding whether to stick with my current chest fridge/freezer or switch to an upright. In the end i decided to stick with my 55l chest fridge that has a split lid that gives me a separate (proper) freezer which is around 15l, which is a lot bigger that the freezer in an upright fridge. I need the larger freezer as i use it to store my mulies and other fishing bait as well as food. So for me its a case of what makes sense for me. Anyway an interesting topic

[@stuartmanuell4207]

For the troopy with gullwings what about a drawer fridge behind the gullwing. When the gullwing is raised the drawr can slide out, giving you access to the fridge from outside.

[@4xoverland]

then how is the space under the fridge/gullwing used effectively?

[@stuartmanuell4207]

@4xoverland I don't know without trying it, or at least building a mock up. Maybe you could make a few mock ups of the fridge types and work through the potential installation configurations (while filming of course!).

[@EthanBovingdon]

The other thing I found terrible in my troop carrier was the fitment of my 86 inch TV.

[@Comfarol]

I just bought the new dometic chest fridge with the vacuum sealed insulation, chest fridge mainly because i like to take it out and use for different things.

[@aphinity1795]

Granted you lose storage, and I can't tell exactly where your chest fridge is to suggest utilising that storage as an alternative. Could you place the upright fridge where the two draws are that opened sliding inwards to the centre (on the left side of the frame). You can still leave the third draw at the bottom so you have one on either side accessible from the back and fridge would be accessible from both inside and outside the car?

[@trevorhicks7852]

We love our upright fridge...love it, love it, love it, love it, love it!!! Just turn the fridge around so the door opens into the walkway. And we don't ever hear it rattle - just keep the canned drinks in their box, cut a hole just up from the bottom so the can slides out when you're ready for a drink. So Yes it Can work, and with very little effort, with access from both inside the vehicle and out.

[@4xoverland]

thank you!

[@trevorhicks7852]

@4xoverland Love your style, Andrew. Look forward to all your vids. Like me, you're passionate about your design and builds....tho we all think quite differently, which is all good.

[@addhmann]

Completely agree with you Andrew but why are you yelling at us? Its all good, your statements are spot on and those that don't agree just don't know what they are talking about.

[@LuaiADV]

Keyboard warrior here, I agree that an upright fridge is not suitable for a van type vehicle. However I disagree with your reasoning. Sure, access is important. But you can creatively work around this. The biggest disadvantage is the thermal exchange when you open and close the door. On a chest type, the cooler and denser air is low and inside the chest. Whereas in an upright, you are moving the cooler air out with every open and shut of the door. The upright is somewhat limited in positioning. And usually requires it to be behind the rear axle. This causes the rear suspension to work extra hard to compensate for the overhang behind the rear axle. A rule I like to follow when building a Troopy is that you always want race car weight distribution. This means all the weight should be as low as possible and as center between the axles as possible. And work around that.

[@LuaiADV]

With the weight sitting between the axles. You have less wear and tear on the suspension and better suspension performance. Better handling. And overall better weight distribution when driving on sand. Troopys are easy to overweight or put the heavyweight on a side. Left right or front rear. But with proper distribution and choosing the right gear. You can really improve its performance over stock and get all the goodies to sustain longer adventures.

[@newyrat]

Don’t have to get mad, that’s your opinion…

[@TheBigmongrel]

So I bought a troopy just to put an upright fridge in it. You can imagine my disappointment after I watched your video. 😊

[@4xoverland]

Did it work?

[@TheBigmongrel]

​@@4xoverland Probably the only inconvenience of a troop carrier is the lack of a convenient place to house an upright fridge. After working out food rations for a 4 day trip, I have opted for a 50 litre chesty. Anything longer than 4 days without visiting a store, I will use my old portable 40 litre chest freezer as well. Have arranged the internal space of the 50 litre chesty so I can easily retrieve the milk, a couple of stubbies and the tomato sauce, without the hassle of nearly emptying the thing just to retrieve these often used items.Happy camping Andrew.

[@CooeeAdventures]

Andrew what are your thoughts on Bonetti Campers troopy roof conversion...???? he takes the compressor out of the fridge and puts it into the frame of the vehicle giving more space in the chest fridge and freezer for food There is space for someone to stand up while the other can still be sleeping

[@4xoverland]

My thoughts: very, very ugly. So much so, I have never even considered one.

[@CooeeAdventures]

@@4xoverland Ok, interesting

[@CooeeAdventures]

@@4xoverland I was thinking more along the lines of the extra internal space and living function rather than external looks. The other conversions don't offer the extra living space like hidden space under the bed, conversion to a lounge if raining... although the others have a more "flush" design to the roof appearance than this one

[@mozartheart2958]

Good point! On another topic, did you try driving a Troopy with a 1GR-FE, 4.0-liter V6 cylinder engine? It is quite common here in the middle east, I wonder if it is suitable for overlanding? Thanks

[@BubblesTheCat1]

It's too heavy on fuel. He did try petrol Landcruisers before, and said they're absolute gas hogs. And they are. I guess in the Middle East, that doesn't really matter. You've got fuel coming out of the ground everywhere 😂

[@philipbellew9645]

11 hours driving along with a 'clinking milkfloat' as a result of a failing propshaft bearing causing vehicle vibration was enough. Ranty? maybe a little, but it gets the message home.

[@TheWrongBrother]

Nothing better come or stand between a man and his cold coke and beer. 😂

[@knowingwhattimeitis]

I throw a fridge in my Wrangler if needed and if I need living space or elbow room I tow my gravel road caravan coz I love towing😄 Life is simple. I always tried not to get swallowed by the Overlanding Industrial Complex by keeping things simple.

[@rrrandommman]

I love these passionate rants about the best way to set up overlanders. Speaking of, what are your thoughts on the new Prado 250? I'm worried about the durability of the 48V hybrid alternator thing and how expensive it'll be if it gets fried on a trip. Cheers, safe travels.

[@BubblesTheCat1]

Ooh, I just ❤ the look of that new Prado! I'll never own one, but if I did, I wouldn't be able to get over how much I like the looks of it. It's stunning. Brilliant idea from Toyota, especially when all other vehicles all look the same🙄

[@Mr.XRED1976]

A chest fridge has so many grate possibilities like you can access from the inside and outside of the vehicle and use it as a seat and table. And just recently i went to a public park where you couldn't park the car next to the tables or BBQ, so i just took out my chest fridge and put it next to the BBQ LOL the other people that came to the BBQ had an up right fridge but they had to keep walking back and forwards to the car all day LoLo many grate positive things you can do with chest fridge.

[@TechStories79]

Was a rig rundown on the latest troopy done yet?

[@overlandingTZ]

Who ever wants an upright fridge in a 4x4 overlander must be on wrong pills 😂😂😂

[@stevelewis2080]

Why? My 76 series has a 80L Dometic upright and it’s awesome

[@James-j2k1w]

​@stevelewis2080 My mum's awesome, doesn't mean I want her upright...🤔😉

[@GCTO239]

Think about physics as well. A chest fridge is far more efficient because the cold air stays inside when you open it. When you open an upright fridge the cold cold air flows outside. With a chest fridge you waste less energy and your food stays cold. I totally agree with Andrew.

[@4xoverland]

that is another advantage - not even worth mentioning given the other mammoth disadvantages.

[@GCTO239]

@4xoverland yeah, I also have a chest and sticking with it. Engel. Love it.

[@BubblesTheCat1]

That was my first thought. Cold air sinks down. Even if the lid is half open, a chest fridge stays cold. I accidentally left my kitchen (normal home electric upright)fridge open a crack when I went away for a few days. When I got back, the inside was actually warm. And the poor compressor was on the brink of burning out😮

[@Gerkhin]

Thanks! A passionate rant. And yes, I want to be able to live inside when needed, and access everything. So agree!

[@tonysmith26]

What are your thoughts on drawer fridges as an alternative? I know that would preclude external access PS - I’ve stuck with chest fridges in all my applications And you did rant just a tiny bit 😂😂😂

[@simon762321]

I'm not sure I understand your point, are you saying an upright fridge is bad?

[@Dodger29ak]

How’d you enjoy the Kalgan’s Pool area? My kids favourite spot where you are parked up.

[@RedDog265]

Life must be good if you have time and energy to get so wound up about a bloody fridge. Enough of the rants.

[@4xoverland]

You are confusing passion with stress. Passion is a performance additive for life.

[@craigwoodward4566]

Cold , dense air that’s inside the fridge , will fall out every time you open the door Chest design is better

[@NAGoodness]

Buying an upright fridge was the best thing I ever did to my camping set up, and I'll never pit a chest in a canopy again. But I agree 100% with Andrew here, one day ill own a Troopy and it'll never have an upright for the space issue alone.

[@BorisEkner]

As so many others I too love your rants! 😁

[@joost_au]

You can the see the passion for 4x4 building in the eye's 😀

[@scottbeatson3881]

Andrews Way or the Highway!

[@onneb90]

Been awhile since we've had an ASPW rant. Love your work mate 👍

[@harishalur]

A bit of rant is fine😂😂 for me.

[@davidpatrick1813]

There you go again ........ making good sense ... how dare you ?? 🙂 thank you .. always enjoy the gig.. big time.

[@kromey111]

No problem with fridge driver rear in oddeysey fitout

[@PUUMBA4x4]

Haha u should call these Andrews rants lol

[@anic0485]

Usually love your content but totally disagree and seems you don't have much personal experience with upright fridges? Traveling full-time in our troppy for the last 7 month, currently from Australia to Germany... Love our bushman 65L upright fridge! All depends on the interior design, we can access it from the inside and outside. So much more convenient then our bushman chest fridge. I have seen many setups and always wondered why people install the upright fridges facing the the back door??? Never had any issues with stuff rattling in the fridge.

[@youtubecarspottersguide1]

nice build station "wagon " or we call s.u.v. in the states ........ just wish had a troopy van or LC 300 n the U.S. a basic utilitarian usable van/ wagon to do a car camper overland adventure travel wagon ,,we don't have anything good sold in the U.S. , every wagon /S.U.V. s sold in the U..S. is more 3 row luxury family school bus with massive panoramic sunroof

[@jasonhowe1697]

PROCRASTINATION AL whinge is a standard when above the age of 55 and above i will agree standard cabin isn't ideal for a standard 3-way open dooor or under bar or 3 foot fridge slidiing door fridge would be the only option to accommodate a swing door fridge yoy would have to do f250 ambo mod shell

[@colonelbobcat1069]

hi Andrew ive just started to build a troopy thats had an extra passenger side door fitted as it was a Pilbara mine ambulance and ive decided as im not going to be chopping the roof and will only be spending time in the back sleeping that an upright fridge in the extra passenger side door would work quite well in that situation. Other than my unique situation i would very much have to agree with your opinion.

[@vladjucan4386]

1st world problems 🤮

[@johnnumbat9782]

For health reasons a rant is probably better out than in as far are passionate feelings are concerned but your insight makes sense - I have a Hilux dual cab now with an aluminium canopy directly mounted to the rear chassis mounts - it’s at the final stage of a four year build and kitchen that currently has an Engel chest fridge and custom cupboard surround that being short I have to reach into with a foot stool - I’m considering an upright because of the improved access and that it will fit into the same space as the chest fridge/cupboard surround - but definitely not in a Troopy because even a small 50 litre upright would take up way too much room - probably OK for a large SUV wagon using rear access.

[@joepaine8911]

Also, what about all the cold air that's spilled out as you open an upright fridge? Also, what about the lack of packing efficiency when loading an upright fridge? Also, what about the additional cost to volume ratio? Also, they look silly.

[@michaelgray7302]

Andrew you are most welcome to express yourself thank you

[@ottoswinebar]

The David Attenborough of 4wding

[@atomicsmith]

Love the rants!

[@johnnyvee8062]

Rantastic video Andrew. Love your knowledge and passion. 🤘🏼

[@stevenpolitte4628]

I can see their place in a van or rv that is not going off road.

[@BubblesTheCat1]

Upright fridge is only fine for a caravan, as you can't hear the rattling when towing it🤭

[@maverick2242]

Didn't rant much🤣 Good info however, like everything everything has a place and one size does not fit all, first rule of camping and touring! Lot of hype by many and marketing, so good to hear an honest experience and feedback, I suppose when its in a canopy some maybe oblivious to the rattling! Regardless I avoid glass at all costs, I can crush cans, ya cant crush bottles, both can be recycled and I can do without the Boujeeness of a bottle when I am touring or camping, bottles add weight and take up more space and ya run the risk of a greater accident if it fails. JME. Adapt, Overcome and improvise, laws of the bush😂🤘

[@maverick2242]

We are too focused on luxury and the destination, than experiencing the journey!

[@buschtaxi75driver55]

Don't we just luv Andrew's rants and he is dead right of course.

[@andrewjones-productions]

To be honest, I would have thought it was common sense. Those that fit upright fridges into their Troopies, I suspect, most likely swap them out after a bit of experience. Either that or they are in their early twenties when the body is still supple and the beer gut and spare tyre around the waist are yet to make their debut in one's life. Either all that or they are simply gluttons for self-punishment.

[@Dodgy_Dave]

whe need more troopy build videos please :)

[@DongaExplores]

I’m just here for the rant 😂. If I was those two vehicles next to you and had an upright fridge, I’d be hiding in the bush

[@4xoverland]

bloody right!

[@dune7824]

I'm all for top opening fridges. I don't even have an upright fridge in my house.

[@neilbowser6359]

So just to be clear, is an upright fridge in a Troopy a good idea or not?

[@BobTheBlue]

If you want an upright fridge, buy a house

[@andrewjones-productions]

,,,or a caravan. You don't hear the rattles from a caravan and their upright walls are conducive to such units of course. That said, I think that the best fridge in a caravan I have seen is in the Caravelair Arteca (or Artica - I forget) which is a deep wide drawer in the kitchen that looks like part of the furnishings. In essence, a built in slide-out chest fridge. Many campervans in Europe are now fitting what looks like a dwarf upright fridge, but again, it is a sort of hybrid drawer/upright/chest style thing. This wouldn't really work in a Troopy though as the rear of the vehicle doesn't have 90 degree angled aperture and it would need to be placed towards the middle, which will make access difficult and proves the point Andrew was making about upright fridges (of any design) not being suitable for the Troopy.

[@4xoverland]

Your fridge is quiet in the caravan because I assume, when its moving, you're not in it?

[@MitchDenham]

I have a 45L upright in my Prado 150, and it’s great for how we use the back of our Prado while camping. We also fit an 8L centre console fridge in for long trips/touring. I tried a chest style fridge before getting the upright, and it just didn’t work for us. It was such a pain to access it (didn’t have a slide) while also having the KAON roof shelf in place. I didn’t find the rattles from the fridge contents too bad on our “mini lap”, however we had a lot of other rattles and what not that masked it - Holy balls, the road to Steep Point is INSANE!

[@daviddenley3512]

I suppose you could always put the upright fridge freezer on the roof 🙄

[@bafumat]

Who wants an upright in a little suv? No. Big van, perhaps. Big rv... Sure. Just no.

[@bradarnold5008]

🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪

[@shauno1970]

It's a no brainer they a pointless in any 4wd

[@4xoverland]

even if its built to go great distances over weeks and months?

[@032254855]

Hi andrew after years of looking i finally found a canopy for a defender 110 double cab it is a Bushtech Aluminium canopy that fits on the tub the tub is what i would call awkward i also have a duel zone 75L fridge freezer that is very handy for what i do hunting/camping/offroading but it is big any ideas on how to set it up i remember you doing a video years ago on a 110 double cab but it was more of a coffee machine on wheels