Anachiro - The Strongest Heretic [Nikke Lore Theory]

[@lemao2222]

Another possibility is that the one who took down Cinderella could’ve been Red Hood at a later time. A few things lead me to believe that: 1 - we know Red Hood is possibly the second strongest in Goddess Squad, as she single-handedly turned the tide against Anachiro and was the one who “finished” her off in RedAsh. 2 - judging by Rapi's immediate aggressiveness towards Cinderella, Red Hood seems to have a deep seated hatred towards her which stands in stark contrast to the laid back girl who told her comrades to quit obsessing over killing the Rapture Queen and just live their lives. 3 - that weird memory of hatred combined with the fact we still have an unexplained gap in Red Hood's memory regarding why she wanted to destroy the Ark, which caused her pain when trying to remember, could be a hint that Red Hood might’ve spent some time as a Heretic herself, and such a thing would be quite capable of destroying Anachiro even harder than her Nikke self.

[@psynque]

Oh Red Hood blasting her mag into Anachiro didn't cut her in half? I think it's pretty clear that's what is being referred.

[@9NoobTuber5]

Im glad i found you! A great change from tierlists and guides... i need more lore content creators... either talking about it or just going over it...

[@TakenaShin]

@@9NoobTuber5 same, I also wish that there are more content creators talking about the game's lore.

[@Dragonero1700]

I m honestly really curious to see what happened to her and how Grave and Cindi met. Also kinda scared and curious to see the Heretic version of Liliweiss. To think that we used to have a fight with Red hood against Anachiro and now potentially we will fight with her against our old leader of Justice. Kinda scared not gonna lie.

[@Kuro_Archive]

Idk if it could have been rapture queen Lilith, at least not without answering some questions. When was Anachiro's body destroyed in relation to the capturing of Lilith? And how would a rapture queen Lilith be strong enough to destroy Cinderella's body without a body of her own, since currently all we know is that the head is what the raptures have. Assuming they fought, it would imply the raptures have technology to create a body so powerful they didn't see the need to also take Lilith's body. That doesn't seem likely tho since we know we need Lilith's body to beat the rapture queen. At least the current one anyway. It seems much more likely that destroying the nanomachines and while Cinderella was under the weakening effects of vapaus, allowed the scientists, or even another nikke, to cut her open and experiment on her in brutal ways. On another note There was something I noticed in a brief encounter recently that made me start questioning how "generations" worked within Nikke. Noir mentioned something that the physical appearance/attributes of a Nikke couldn't be changed or modified after the 8th generation, which does explain a couple things, but also begs the question how generations are defined. My current theory is simply that "generations" were originally only for grimms models, and eventually, "generations" became the divide between technological shifts between all nikkes not mass produced. Oh also please check discord when you can I sent you a theory I made on that weird slime thing ether had us go find in one of the side missions

[@misfitpants54]

shut up smh

[@TakenaShin]

Nihilister mentioned in her bond story that the Queen also went through the same process that gave the heretics their ideal forms. The only difference is that the Queen's original body wasn't consumed in the process. So she was most likely reborn with a new body, because I doubt that Lilith's corrupted ideal form is just a head. As for how the Raptures were able to make a powerful body for Lilith. That might just be one of the perks of being the Queen. Because as far as we know Marian is just another Specialized Nikke from the Ark, but Modernia vs Snow White is so one-sided that Snow wasn't even able to fight back. For Cinderella, Grave said that Cindy was severely injured in a "confrontation," I don't think that Grave would use that word if Cinderella was cut open in an experiment. As for the generations, yeah that's also how I see it.

[@Kuro_Archive]

@@TakenaShin The queen existed before the raptures took Lilith's head, so having a body after Lilith was taken isn't necessarily a guarantee, since the process would have been completed already. And if I'm not wrong, we still don't really know what happened to Lilith's head anyway, "Rapture queen Lilith" is a theory, and using that to support another theory can of course be a little shaky, or maybe it was confirmed, I for the life of me cannot remember it, so if I'm wrong my apologies. But besides that, Snow memory makes it seem as though it had been quite some time after the events of Overzone that she discovered Lilith's head had been taken, I don't see the timeline adding up. As for the idea that ludicrously powerful bodies is queen specific, i'm willing to accept that, but we don't have nearly enough evidence to back that up, considering that Modernia's other showings are less than impressive to say the least. I don't remember Grave's exact words, just that half of Cinderella had been, "shattered", if it did say confrontation, I wouldn't be surprised if that was a translation or localization issue, since we have numerous of those things. What we know so far is that Cindy was shot down from the sky and experimented on. A confrontation post-vapaus doesn't feel probable to me, as it would currently have no bearing or weight on the story; it would feel weird to have her revived only to be killed once again by an entity irrelevant to that time period's struggles, which makes the candidates for the potential fight damn near no one. We'll see with time though, hopefully that side story will reveal more clues.

[@TakenaShin]

@@Kuro_Archive Nihilister referred to Lilith as the Queen's original incarnation and predecessor, I don't think that she would use those words if Lilith never become a Rapture Queen at some point in the story. The missing head ending from White Memory, happened immediately after the Goddess Squad went their separate ways in Overzone. Snow White wanted to say something to Lilith before leaving, so she went to Lilith's coffin only to discover that Lilith's head is missing. "Walking out of the post, Snow White says goodbye to everyone and sets off on a long journey. Snow White visited Liliweiss' coffin, which she has not visited in a long time. There is something that she must tell Liliweiss before she leaves." And then she discovered Lilith's desecrated grave. Meaning that the Raptures already had Lilith's head when the Goddess Squad were denied entry to the Ark. I'm not going to comment on what you feel is the right direction for the story. Since that's your opinion and I respect it. So yeah, let's just wait for more details.

[@Kuro_Archive]

@@TakenaShin I assumed Nihilister labeled Lilith that since she was the original Nikke, and the queen was originally a Nikke, not so much that Lilith herself was the queen before the rapture queen Nihilister was talking about. But I understand your interpretation of it, it makes sense. When I originally read that scene I had assumed this was after one of Pioneer's meetups, since Dorothy wasn't included, not immediately after the events of overzone, if I misunderstood that, that's on me. the more we speak the more I appreciate the way you think; you offer interpretations I never consider.

[@dereklyma6310]

I believe that Cinderella is indeed the most powerful Nikke in the story right now, as it is said that she was created to surpass even Lilith (the entire Goddess squad). But surely in the future, there will be Nikkes that will surpass Cinderella in power 🔥

[@fall5923]

I just want to see Marian again man.....

[@TakenaShin]

same

[@warlockwarlord169]

4:22 I see the Empress from Azur Lane , Good choice

[@Tnkdemon]

lilith bowl cut

[@ramikpark8387]

Lettttttssss goooooooooo

[@Yopee]

honestly, it feels like we haven't seen the strongest characters fight 1 vs 1 at full health in 100% working condition without holding back. it makes power rankings so tough. i think indivilia is pretty much confirmed to be the weakest among the list of strong characters tho.

[@Least_mystical]

Good video, but I would like to say who I think destroyed half of Cinderella's body. I think it was a corrupted version of red Hood. First we know that Lilith isn't the rapture queen, since we see the rapture queen corrupts Cinderella in mog, which that cutscene should take place before red ash starts, and Lilith was not corrupted or dead by that point. Second in snow white event, we see Lilith's grave with her body in it. While the rapture queen was still alive, plus in a dev interview, the host asked the head writer of nikke who is the rapture queen, and the writer said it was someone we not expecting. So to me, that's a hint at the first fairy tale model being the rapture queen (Lilith was a prototype of the fairy tale model, but wasn't one herself. The first fairy tale model died, because she couldn't handle the insane power she got with becoming a nikke, and exploded because of that power.) so why I say it was red Hood. First, we know that red Hood was approaching full corruption (she said this in chapter 26) by the end of red ash. Second, red Hood passed out weeks to months in red ash, and at the end, she passed out for thirty years, which she then met rapi in the ending scene of red ash hard mode. Which leads to one of my theories, that red Hood develops a duel personality in red ash from her corruption. First, we have seen multiple times that corruption changes/warps the nikkes personality (i.e mod is way different when she a heretic then when we first see her in chapter zero/one. Cinderella was loving it when she hurt people in red ash. Which we know now, that she actually despises that). Second, red Hood passed out for very long times in red ash, we know that raptures kill anything they see alive (it pretty much programs into them, couple chapters confirmed this too, chapter 27 says it, and a chapter in teens also confirms it), and red Hood was out in the open when she passed out (in one scene, she passed out in the middle of a desert). So there is no way the rapture would let her live. So she had to fight back, so I think that the warp personality took over when she was asleep and protected her. Third, red Hood is the only nikke that was able to resist the corruption (Rapunzel says this in red ash.) so I don't think this warp personality would have served the Queen if my theory is true, but I would think that this personality would try to carry out red Hood last wishes, which we know that she wanted to destroy the ark (probably because she saw what it really was, which has terrified other nikke into shutting themselves into their room, i.e Trony). So this would lead to this warp red Hood versus Cinderella, and I think that they damage each other just as bad, but this warp red Hood would still have her ability to heal unlike Cinderella. Plus from the hints in chapter 26, we know that rapi only had red Hood core, not red Hood brain. Which is big, since a nikke brain is their most important thing, and a core can't exist without a brain. While a brain can exist without a core. Plus red Hood is the most popular nikke, I highly doubt that they won't bring her back as an alter nikke (they did it with scarlet and snow already.) plus red ash ending with a tease at a future red Hood event with rapi. But good video and theory. Lastly, if my theory is true about warp red Hood fighting Cinderella, then it would be the reverse of what happened in red ash, since red Hood is technically evil and Cinderella is good.

[@TakenaShin]

@@Least_mystical It was actually confirmed in the same interview you're referring to, that the one talking to Cinderella in MOG, was her "erosion(corruption) portrayed as if it had it's own consciousness" so it's actually not the Queen. It was revealed in Nihilister's bond story that the Queen's body wasn't consumed when the Queen went through the creation process that gave them their ideal forms, and it's the reason why the Queen is naturally drawn towards Lilith's body. The Queen's body not being consumed in the process, can support the theory of Fairy Number 1 becoming a Rapture Queen based on what we know about what happened to her. However, unlike Lilith's head that was taken by the raptures, we don't know if fairy number 1 was taken by the Raptures as well. Also Nihilister's statement about wanting to become the new queen, as well as Marian's existence, suggest that the Queen can be replaced. So even if Fairy Number 1 was a Rapture Queen at some point, it's not impossible that she got replaced after the Raptures took Lilith's head. Now to be honest I've always liked the theory of Fairy number 1 being a rapture Queen ever since it was first suggested to me. But unlike Lilith who's been directly linked to the Queen in chapter 20, and in Nihilister's bond story. There wasn't any connection between the Rapture Queen and Fairy Number 1. But I still like the theory, because I think that it makes sense that the only Nikke who is potentially as strong as Lilith, became the Big Cheese. Now I think that in that Famitsu interview for the 1st year Anniversary, the devs were actually referring to the Marian reveal in Last Kingdom. Because they said that they were hiding the Queen's identity through various gimmicks. And I don't think that they'd say that, if the Queen is a character who was only mentioned in a side story from Red Ash. They also said in that interview that it's about time to reveal the Queen's identity in the main story, or in an important event. And Last Kingdom was released a few months after that interview, so I think it makes sense that they're talking about Marian. Now, I like the theory about corrupted Red Hood fighting Cinderella, I think there's potential of it being the case specially if the Vapaus really nerfed Cinderella.

[@Least_mystical]

​@@TakenaShin thanks for the feedback on the queen, I didn't know everything about that, I just thought it makes more sense for it to be the first fairy tale model. I do wonder if we will get more info on the Queen in the second anniversary, but i feel they will have to finish the Dorothy story (of her trying to destroy the ark.) so I think chapter 33 and 34 will be setting that up. One thing I didn't mention in my original comment, is that crown in her event, told Mod, that crown has a feeling that they see red Hood soon. So that leaves hints that red Hood is coming back at some point and isn't permanently dead. Personally, I have a feeling that red Hood will come back during Dorothy's arc to destroy the ark.

[@TakenaShin]

@@Least_mystical Each anniversary events gave us info about the Queen so there's a good chance that we'll get new info in the 2nd Anniv. And yeah based on the story of Red Riding Hood, there's a possibility that Red Hood is going to come back.

[@mxsayian]

its comfirmed liliweiss is the rapture queen?

[@BeeLy1011]

We've known this since before OverZone, Nihilister talks about it at some point during the Eden arc (forgot which chapter specifically)

[@Yopee]

no, lilith isn't confirmed to be a rapture queen. overzone only told us that raptures graverobbed her head. nihilister only said that the body of lilith is the key to defeating the current rapture queen.

[@Dimeric]

@@Yopee Yes, I've always thought the Rapture Queen is the first Grimm's model that failed, Lilith's sister. The Queen took her sisters head, off with her head... the Queen of Hearts to Alice. The key being Lilith's body and reuniting it with her head, in order to defeat the queen reviving Lilith is necessary. But who knows that just my thoughts on it, the actually story may be completely different.

[@Yopee]

@@Dimeric what i'm really curious about is why lilith was buried on the surface. last we saw, lilith and the legendary commander disappeared inside the ark doing who knows what while lilith was coughing a fit and recorded her will in the video shown at the end of red ash/start of overzone. how did lilith end up back on the surface and how did the government allow her to be buried on the surface with no security to monitor the area? standard protocol is to feed dead nikke to the energy reactor inside the ark but i get that lilith is not a standard nikke so it's totally reasonable that lilith would not be fed to the reactor. but burying her body on the surface is really strange to me.

[@dereklyma6310]

I hope they don't nerf her... I'd rather they remove her from our squad than make her weaker

[@natosen]

Donut

[@YouTubeDweller8008]

Okay, we get it. You're gonna pull her. No need to start making up stuff to justify your decision when there's little lore indicating any of this. All you're doing is overhyping yourself up for another tantrum like you did with Red Hood.

[@Kuro_Archive]

He didn't make anything up, he simply used the little we have to make a theory. You don't have to like it, but to say he made stuff up when he showed evidence taken directly from the game is ludicrous. take your negative energy elsewhere.

[@YouTubeDweller8008]

@@Kuro_Archive "Your negative energy." Wow that's ironic coming from the tantrum throwers of this playerbase. Buddy, it doesn't matter what he takes from the game if his interpretation is wrong. "You're wrong" + "You have Bad vibes" isn't an argument against anything I said.

[@Kuro_Archive]

@@KZbinDweller8008 have you seen me throw a tantrum before? Or are you unjustifiably labeling me as an unhappy child? The video had nothing to do with how powerful Anachiro would be as a playable character nor is this a "should you summon" video. You brought up red hood for literally no reason. The video is simply a theory on who or what destroyed half of Cinderella's body. Which is currently unknown, therefore any and all interpretations cannot be labeled incorrect simply due to the fact that nothing is confirmed yet, hence " lore theory". There is nothing to argue to begin with because nothing you said holds any value, as it isn't even a fair critique of his theory. you are talking for the sake of talking.

[@YouTubeDweller8008]

@@Kuro_Archive "Well you've never personally seen me throw tantrums, therefore it's not happening and I've never done it! Hah, checkmate."