Jules’ little guy holding the Perkeo up to his eye just knocked me out! What an angelic face!
@rcjp3 жыл бұрын
One of the great mysteries of youtube for me is why you have less than 50K subscribers for such consistantly high quality and interesting content. I appreciate it anyway, thanks!
@skazhenyj3 жыл бұрын
@@kthmtchll Of course everyone is entitled to an opinion, so I'll reply with my own not saying that one is right or wrong. I disagree, I think that this channel's got its own personal touch and style and many of us appreciate it (and I don't feel seduced in any way nor feel uncomfortable as a straight male, actually I feel strange talking about this, it never even crossed my mind). I like the channel just as is and I've subscribed a long time ago myself. There are so many channels to choose from, no need to have same old "KZbinr" approach everywhere where we're all "bros" and "dudes". What some consider as "seducing the viewer" here I see only as passion for the subject. Variety is a good thing and ironically, this is such a huge platform, yet almost every channel looks the same these days; or at least they become that after reaching a certain number of views/subs.
@rcjp3 жыл бұрын
@@kthmtchll I've always found the channel quite restful and stylish, so its interesting to hear you find the presentation off-putting. I think Max records in a very spartan room and I guess speaks softly to avoid quite a strong room echo.
@g-r-a-e-m-e-3 жыл бұрын
@@kthmtchll I disagree, the presentation is excellent, and is all about the content, very refreshing.
@alexandermenzies99543 жыл бұрын
Well said, Dejan.
@BriteTap3 жыл бұрын
Sadly, it's really no mystery. Photography as a hobby appeals to a relatively small segment of the population and film photography appeals to even fewer. Analog Insights is a niche within a niche. I checked some of the other channels I watch that cover film and analog photography exclusively and most are about the same size or smaller. Even a channel like Tony and Chelsea Northrup's that covers digital cameras and is heavily focused on gear reviews, has only 1.5 million subscribers. For perspective, chanels that cover technology are much, much bigger. (At random, I looked at Marques Brownlee's Tech channel and it has 14.5 million subscribers and he's just one of many that cover the tech industry) Analog Insight's subscriber base just reflects the reality of the market. I suspect Max and Jules do this purely out of love --- there can't be much profit in a KZbin channel that has 50,000. subscribers. That said, I'll keep watching as long as they are making them.
@joncaradies31553 жыл бұрын
I had a Perkeo II that pretty much rocked !!!! Color Skopar lens that was dead sharp .... The only thing , I wished it had strap lugs .
@johncleaves523 жыл бұрын
A few months before watching this episode I bought a Balda Super Baldax 6x6 folding rangefinder made in Bunde West Germany. My understanding is that the company founder Max Baldeweg managed to keep his company together in Laubegast near Dresden during WWII only to have his business nationalised by the East German government. So he managed to leave and start his company all over again in the West German city of Bunde. Such resilience is to be admired. I was please to hear Max's suggestion that cameras of this style make a good folding travel camera which is exactly how I intend to use my Super Baldax. So far it's works well, doesn't take up much room amongst my other cameras, and the negatives are lovely. Shooting square also makes me think carefully about the composition in a new and refreshing way. Although I suspect the Voigtlander cameras were probably more nicely made - I find all cameras from this period of German history fascinating. I still have my father's Voigtlander Vito II and my big folder is a Linhof Technica IV. Thanks for such a lovely, tasteful series of KZbin videos. The music, videography and the whole tone of the series is inspiring.
@sivakumarsathiamoorthy65833 жыл бұрын
This is one of the best photography channels on youtube. everything is on point here, the delivery, voice, camera music. Well done!
@AnalogInsights3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your kind feedback and words. I really appreciate it. Glad to hear you like our little channel. :)
@richardsimms2512 жыл бұрын
I have never heard of this fascinating camera. I have now learned another new subject ! Thank you. RS. Canada
@magnusa.55993 жыл бұрын
those portra colors are oh so lovely.
@cuedotfilms4427 Жыл бұрын
This video has inspired me to get the 75mm and the 80mm camera's you speak of here. They seem to be very sort after now, both cost me around the £100 price. I love your channel, I find the videos interesting and also quite soothing to watch and listen to. You have a great voice. Take care and thank you. 🙂
@karinmuhlberger70693 жыл бұрын
Ist is another nice Video, you do not need Wasserburg, you have Jules boy!!!!🥰
@SteveMorton3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this video. Seeing the scenes next to the river, I hope you and your family haven't been impacted by the terrible flooding in Germany recently. Take care
@funbichons52153 жыл бұрын
I have Perkeo II and Watameter rangefinder perfect combo. Thanks for another great review 👏
@sebvz893 жыл бұрын
what a sharp lens
@odukar23153 жыл бұрын
I like these kinds of cameras. My most used camera is a FRANKA Solida III with an 80mm f2.9 Radionar lens and a PRONTOR SV shutter. Internal focusing is already possible. Already impressed by the high quality of the images. Thx for presenting one of these old gadgets.
@joncaradies31553 жыл бұрын
I have the same Franka ..... I don't use it as much as I should ..... Great camera ..... I've always loved the 'Made in occupied Germany' case or it .....
@DigitalMentorGroup2 жыл бұрын
I have a Franka Solida III as well. Interesting that the pace of this video matches the pace of using the camera. Excellent!
@pasitalv2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for a great video of a great little camera. I wish i had my Perkeo 1 at the time when I did a lot of hiking in Lapland, it would have been an ideal camera when backpacking.
@WintherKl3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic images and wonderful video sequences, loved the settings and the little kid was just super sweet! Thank you!
@inahaase8893 жыл бұрын
Schöne Bilder von Wasserburg und Umgebung. Jules mit seinem Sohn, allerliebst. Tolle Kamera! 💕😎
@andrewinaustintx2 жыл бұрын
As usual, Analog Insights does not disappoint. Someone chose well by selecting the Voigtlander Perkeo.
@PhilKnall3 жыл бұрын
Wonderful video as usual. And now I'm going to have to have a look for this...
@danbuchman74973 жыл бұрын
Magnificent, please keep sharing you’re experiences. I especially like the word you used describing what it was like to use this camera… “consciousness”. That sums up exactly what a peaceful time taking analog images.
@mhz90033 жыл бұрын
Wow. The Perkeo 1 was the first medium format camera I ever used. Complete with a Watameter. Amazing image quality from these very affordable classic cameras. I think I need to load a roll of film in mine and take it for a walk. Thanks for another great video.
@paultaylorphotography94992 жыл бұрын
Wonderful video again fellas. As a resent owner of a folding camera I my case a ferrania falco II I can honestly hand on heart say I love them to bits. I uploaded the first shoot to my channel which went fairly well the second and third shoot are pretty impressive they’re edited and will be up in the next week or so. The main issue I have is a light leak in the bellows which at the moment I can’t locate. I love this folder and will definitely seek out other versions to try. Cheers for this video love your work regards paul
@tonyhayes98273 жыл бұрын
Loved the focusing technique @ 9.50. Brilliant! And I might add the result speaks for itself. well done Jules!
@philmtx3fr8 ай бұрын
This camera is very nice simple and well made. It permits to have a very small 6x6 very transportable. When I bought mine I got a little issue with the double exposure security but was able to repair it easily (just unscrew the advanc.e button, the 2 screw behind and the front screw of the cold shoe and you can retire the upper side. This gives access to the very clever mechanism). I will try it this week end.
@marie-jeannefethiere31114 ай бұрын
You’ve saved my life ! I’m going to a wedding in Ireland from Brooklyn and had all these crazy ideas re using 4x4 dryplate my Mamiya C3 in addition to my Sony w my legacy lenses. THIS will be a perfect camera without the weight of my other medium format and will give me room for my intrepid for those special shots I’m calculating ! THANK YOU
@AnalogInsights4 ай бұрын
So glad to hear that. Have fun!
@rodmund83 Жыл бұрын
You have a lot of explaining to do: I watched your beautiful review and now there is not only a Perkeo II but also a Zeiss Ikon Nettar 518/17 in the post on their way to me. Thank you for your chanel. I enjoy watching all of your videos.
@adamimp67282 жыл бұрын
Love the video on the Voigtlander Perkeo 1! What a fantastic camera! Keep up the great videos!
@AlexandrePardo84 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video! I just bought a Perkeo I from an auction and still gotta receive it, but I already know what to expect from it thanks for to your work here!! The moment at the end, with Jules son’s holding the camera is touchy and timeless!! Cheers 🍻
@janw.jensen24902 жыл бұрын
Loved this. Back in the 1980s I got a 6x6 Agfa Isolette II. It's much of the same. Agfa Apotar 85mm lens and Pronto. If you set the camera ready you can use the knob on the top of the camera to flip it out - and you are ready to shoot.
@davidf22813 жыл бұрын
Another lovely piece of videography. Thanks.
@jimjanus37103 жыл бұрын
I love using this type of camera. I have a bessa 66, and the photos are better than I thought they would be. Your videos are excellent and I enjoy watching them.
@philmtx3fr8 ай бұрын
I find the watameter more in accordance with the body. Very nice combination.
@alfredbarten4901 Жыл бұрын
I have Perkeo II with Scopar lens. It outperforms my Yashica and Rolliecord TLRs. Great camera!!!
@RichardMaguire1103 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed thsi episode very much, thank you. German cameras from the 1950's are special, and the lenses there has been noting like them since. I will look out for a Perkeo. I have an Agfa Super Isolette, try one it is pure luxury and joy to use.
@AnalogInsights3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the recommendation. Will do. :)
@GONZOFAM72 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another fantastic video. I own a Vito II and it's amazing. I plan on buying the Perkeo II and Bessa to complete my Voigtlander collection.
@AnalogInsights2 жыл бұрын
Great choice. Thanks for your kind feedback.
@trastevere20072 жыл бұрын
Best voice in the business.
@RogerHyam3 жыл бұрын
This camera appears very, very similar to my Super Baldax (Balda Kamerawerk, Bünde). It has a f3.5 80mm and Prontor-SVS, double exposure lock, built in range finder (within the viewfinder), a little slider for the red window. I realise why it has red numbers on the focus scale now, these must be the snapshot setting equivalents. When I bought mine I just needed to glue the covering back on as it was peeling. I think Balda made cameras for other brands. I wonder if they made the Voigtländer? I love the channel. Keep them coming.
@derrenleepoole3 жыл бұрын
Wonderfull little camera. I gifted mine to a friend as they moved to Canada so they could use it on their travels. The lens was bang sharp. The only oddity was my Voigtlander rangefinder was in feet and the camera in meters (or vice versatile), so you had to convert the measurement. Great video.
@_Sisyphus3 жыл бұрын
As timing and coincidence would have it, while you were shooting with the Perkeo I in Germany, I traveled from California to Andalusia with my Bessa II /105mm colour Heliar. As you mentioned, it really is the perfect travel companion. Thank you for your wonderful review.
@wilsonrodrigues3548 Жыл бұрын
What a fantastic Episode i got this camera for 5 years and i love my Perkeo . Thanks again, take care.
@thomashilmersen7113 жыл бұрын
Wow, fantastic rendering from that lens. Great video, as usual.
@L.E.Santo023 жыл бұрын
Excellent review, thank you.
@lynettedeschenes620611 ай бұрын
Beautiful video with multitudes of great information about this limited edited camera.
@AnalogInsights11 ай бұрын
Thank you for your kind feedback. Glad you enjoyed it.
@thewildgoose74673 жыл бұрын
Came across this while awaiting the arrival of my Perkeo 1, so now I'm super excited to run my first roll through it. A very informative, classy and well produced video and a joy to watch. Just subscribed. Thanks.
@AnalogInsights3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for your kind feedback. Really appreciate it. Wish you all the best and lots of fun with your new Perkeo I.
@Ricardo-SW3 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed your review! Seeing you and Jules by the river, I can only think of the recent images of flooding- hope you all are well!
@franciscoramos88723 жыл бұрын
I don't have this camera but I love my Agfa Karat 36 from the same period that takes excellent photos. It folds out the same way and had a built in rangefinder.
@martiningram87993 жыл бұрын
Great review! And you took some very nice photos I thought. Thinking carefully about every step seemed to pay off!
@TrashTheLens3 жыл бұрын
3:02 250EUR? Wow, that would be a steal if someone made a camera of that quality today for that price. :)
@---us7qf3 жыл бұрын
Yes, Voightlander would make a killing, especially if they retained the quality with modernised classic lenses. I have aways wondered (actually hoped for), which company now: Fujifilm, Olympus, Nikon, Linhof or Voightlander would invest in a film camera(s) that really took us back to the good old days. Including making good affordable film stock.
@gabrysgabriukas2 жыл бұрын
Why I even dreaming about expensive hasselblad this Perkeo really amazing camera. Thank you
@riffraffselbow3 жыл бұрын
I use my Pentax 67 more often now, but I do love my 1930s Super Ikonta A. the name-brand 120 folders are pretty much all wonderful pieces of machinery to hold and use and take some absolutely gorgeous photos. I was most surprised by how well the prewar tessar on my Super Ikonta handled color film; I really didn't expect much.
@vp_analog42683 жыл бұрын
Nice video about this wonderful camera! I have a Perkeo I too, absolutely love it!
@MatthijsLangerman3 жыл бұрын
As always a fantastic video. A lot of information, great videography and wonderful photos. I have a Voigtlander Perkeo II that i got from my grandfather. In the 80's a colleague of him gave him the "old" camera as he knew my grandfather likes old cameras. I got the camera together with a few more great cameras like the Olympus OM10, Olympus Pen EE-3, a sturdy Praktica MTL5 and a lot more, but this is the most used camera I have as it just fits in every pocket. Slow speeds are a bit sticky so I use ISO 400 and never come close to them until I can get it serviced by someone who knows more about cameras than me.
@g-r-a-e-m-e-3 жыл бұрын
Such a treat to watch. ❤. Haven't tried one myself but I own similar ones, a Bessa (which you mentioned) and the tank-like Moskva-5. The design or style is great. It really works for me. Your channel is very appreciated. (Edit: those I mentioned are certainly a lot bigger or heavier, an important point)
@Zetaphotography3 жыл бұрын
Almost bought the Moskova-5 found a Zeiss Nettar 516 and Bessa Folder Early Model that's are nice to use
@Quark.Lepton2 жыл бұрын
There is a combination range finder and light meter for this camera that fits on the shoe-are you familiar with that device? Thank you for this wonderful video about the Perkeo I!
@redsphoto67083 жыл бұрын
Lovely video as always, loved the little one running about! And your photos were super rad. Now I am tempted to pick one of these up even though I already have a Mamiya 6 folder. It is not the same camera but I have a Voigtländer Bessa 2 from the same era and god if that 50s Voigtländer mechanical feeling isn't perfect. Just incredibly satisfying to use and the pictures are wonderful (when I don't mess up).
@GeorgeStar3 жыл бұрын
The Bob Ross of classic cameras.
@myahya19873 жыл бұрын
Such a great camera.. I myself own the Mamiya Six Folder, which I'd love you to review at some point
@LexTakuna2 жыл бұрын
Great Video which really helped me to understand the Perkeo I that i picked up just today in a perfect condition. Now i will look for a good Rangefinder :-) Have you any tips to get the exposure right for shooting ?
@kwl33563 жыл бұрын
Amazing review and a lovely piece of craftsmanship!
@AnalogInsights3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it
@lcdmvdoact3 жыл бұрын
As usual, great video.
@AnalogInsights3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@DrJRaven2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely fantastic
@BigDuke6ixx2 жыл бұрын
I love the 6x6 format.
@junalmarines93422 жыл бұрын
I really like you channel, contents very informative! 🙏 Thanks for the tips
@tgchism Жыл бұрын
Wonderfull review! Also a very handsome young photographer with the camera at the end!
@Vincent.Morreale3 жыл бұрын
God bless this channel. Keep up the good work
@pv27536002 жыл бұрын
Great video, I will enjoy your other videos, thank you.
@innstikk2 жыл бұрын
Very nice video. Would be interesting to see a video about the Mamiya six automat folding. I would probably have cheated with a laser meter if using the Perkeo 😂
@Pollock.iconoclast2 жыл бұрын
I purchased a voigtlander bessa ii heliar last year. With children this is the perfect film camera for me. I may sell my medium format slr to get a med format press camera because the bessa is almost harder to use without the glass when I can slow down.
@jimmyschwarz90753 ай бұрын
Just got a perkeo 1 for my 24th Birthday 🤩
@AnalogInsights2 ай бұрын
So lovely. Enjoy.
@timrpbrown3 жыл бұрын
Literally just bought one a couple of weeks ago. I still have the first roll of film going through it so nervous about how well they are going to come out (not sure how well my distance estimates will be but mostly shooting at f/8 to give me a fighting chance). Great video - thanks
@davidmilton29563 жыл бұрын
Hello Max, recently I purchased a Kodak Retina IIc - one of the last of the German made Kodak's (Kodak purchased Dr August Nagal's Zeiss/Ikon camera business). It has a Schnerder-Kreuznach 50mm f2.8 Xenon lens. Perhaps you could review this camera? It is a 35mm folding camera rather than the Voigtlander Perkeo's 6X6.
@thierryfontaine72103 жыл бұрын
Hello Max. This video, as others from your channel, is really great! I feel in them a sort of romanticism and a praise of slowness which exactly matches with my conception of shooting. For my part, I shoot a Yashica 124 (non-G) which brings me a lot of pleasure, and you're not stranger to that: your review (and some others on KZbin) triggered me to buy one. Thanks a lot and go on!
@kencarnley71012 жыл бұрын
Superb Photographs.
@1973sonvis3 жыл бұрын
Great video! 👍🏻
@henkvanzuylen3 жыл бұрын
Nice video (as always) Good to see that you don’t need a expensive camera to make beautiful photo’s :) In the right hands about any camera will give good results.
@johnt.thompson19453 жыл бұрын
I like my medium format 6x6 pocket camera: Franka Solida III with Radionar 2.9/80 lens in Synchro-Compur shutter.
@BarwickGreen3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting, useful and well-produced film. I don't have one of these cameras but do have a Zeiss Ikon Nettar, which is sufficiently similar for this video to be relevant.
@paulstillwell3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making another great video! I picked up a Zeiss Ikon Exona last year which is very similar but slightly larger. It came with the mask that allows me to choose between 6x9 and 6x6. Similar to the Perkeo it requires a range finder and is fully manual... the only weird thing about it is that the shutter release button is on the left and gets covered by most of the accessory rangefinders out there. The lens (105mm f3.5 Carl Zeiss Jena Tessar) is amazingly sharp! There are many great folders out there!
@stevenpam3 жыл бұрын
Interesting camera. Your video inspired me to get out and shoot with my Mamiya Six P 😊
@bobadams10643 жыл бұрын
A very nice review. I have a later E version with the built-in rangefinder (which has some limitations compared to a separate shoe mounted one). The lens is very sharp and the results can be great if you take your time.
@lukemakayabu43693 жыл бұрын
thanks for the review mate, I just got me a Perkeo for with the 80mm on a Vario shutter for price of of a cup of coffee
@AnalogInsights3 жыл бұрын
Wonderful. Congrats!
@lukemakayabu43693 жыл бұрын
@@AnalogInsights now I need to find the rangefinder cold shoe, any leads? I’m in South Africa
@agflaboratorios59513 жыл бұрын
Great reviews. Please, it's possible to make a review of AGFA Silette LK and a Zeiss Ikon Nettar 6x6. Thank's
@jdebultra2 жыл бұрын
Really nice production. I adore my 2 folders that were purchased from Certo 6. Agfa Sillette 6x6 and Agfa Billy Record 6x9. I think both are the 2nd versions. Wonderful image quality and perfect for the methodical shooter. I occasionally use a laser distance meter.
@vonfilm3 жыл бұрын
Great video on the Perkeo I. I own the type 170 and also the uncoupled Voigtlander light meter. I also have a Bessa I which is essentially a larger version of the same camera that takes a 6x9 negative. My Bessa I has a Color Scopar and my Perkeo I had the Vaskar. These both take great photos with a classic character.
@muhammadhaikal93092 жыл бұрын
Loved the video. Greetings from Singapore
@AnaloguePhoto2 жыл бұрын
Any chanses of a video showing how Jules would clean and adjust the shutter in the Perkeo? Would appreciate a video like that as much as I appreciated this excellent video.
@Quark.Lepton2 жыл бұрын
That first portrait-of the young man-had great bokeh! You tightened the depth of focus perfectly there using the string. Do you think you would eventually get to the point where you could measure it spontaneously without the string-helping you to get less ‘posed’ looking portraits and more spontaneity?
@andrewwilkin19233 жыл бұрын
Wonderful video, Voigtländer made some great folding cameras, both in 120 roll film and 35mm. The original Bessa 6x9 (pre Bessa 1) is an absolute gem and very cheap. Also love the non-folding 1950's Vito B series, small and incredibly well made 35mm fixed lens cameras. Thanks again.
@matthewdeacon197011 ай бұрын
Which Bessa? The rangefinder or non rangefinder? I assume you mean the 1930s?
@andrewwilkin192311 ай бұрын
@@matthewdeacon1970 The original Bessa was made from 1929 to 1956, pop-up viewfinder. Mine is post war, Skopar 10.5cm f3.5, Prontor shutter with sync. Other models :- Bessa RF (coupled) 1936-51. Bessa 1 1950-56, fixed viewfinder Bessa II coupled RF 1950-56.
@yetanotherbassdude3 жыл бұрын
Bought a Zeiss Ikon very similar to these Voightlanders recently, mostly just because I was looking at getting a Holga as a low-cost entry into medium format and then realised that these 1950s folding cameras can be had for about the same money but take *much* better pictures. Don't get me wrong, I still have a soft spot for the Holga, but my Ikon is doing a much better job of scratching that medium format itch for me until I can save up enough for something more modern.
@peterbromaghin76213 жыл бұрын
VERY nicely done on the close up photos. I've been shooting folders for several years and have never really tried that. When you are measuring distance to the subject, where on the camera are you measuring from - film plane, lens?
@AnalogInsights3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. According to the handbook you are supposed to measure from the lens to the subject in our case and this is what we did. Hope this helps. :)
@mariofazioli75343 жыл бұрын
0Manny, manny time viewer, very so interesting variety of excellent cameras. The way you describe every thing is a thing of beauty. Just finished watching ( voigtlander perkeo) 6x6. which of the FOCUS METERS used would you recommend for ease of operation for someone over 70 years old. Great work to all of you, Thanks
@ggaffrey85732 жыл бұрын
The best photos I have seen on flikr for 6X6 folders appears to be from the mamiya 6.
@davidyager2579 Жыл бұрын
Great video thank you! Which one of the two cold shoe range finders did you like better? Thanks!
@harrycover91803 жыл бұрын
I have the Agfa Jsolette III with the rare solinar 75mm f3.5 and to my eyes it's the best
@nilsgariboff Жыл бұрын
Very nice Video (as always)! I just got me a Perkeo I w/ Vaskar 4.5/80mm and Prontor-S. Is it norma, that the double exposure prevention mechanism blocks exposures when no film is inserted? Or is that a defect? Thanks!
@GeraldFigal Жыл бұрын
Great-now another camera I want…. 😊
@Omega1P3 жыл бұрын
Awesome review! Not sure if you have any comments what's the difference between this and Bessa 66? Should I upgrade from the Bessa 66? :D
@AnalogInsights3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, I can't really comment on this. But if you're happy with the Bessa 66, just stick to it. :)
@ericvm42812 жыл бұрын
What a wonderful video you convinced me of the camera! I see you use a Cenei lense hood, what size?
@colnagocowboy3 жыл бұрын
I often have go looking for your viseos as youtube neglects to notify me' when new ones are posted.
@AnalogInsights3 жыл бұрын
Oh, this is interesting. Have you tried the "bell" button in addition to the subscription? Maybe this does the trick.
@colnagocowboy3 жыл бұрын
@@AnalogInsights ive done that as well as unsubscribing then resubscribe. Im told all this is the result of youtube adding new servers.
@barthonhoff55473 жыл бұрын
I have a similar Zeiss IKON Nettar. My main problem is the flatness of the film. It sometimes isn’t perfect flat and one side is completely out of focus.
@SatumangoTheGreat2 жыл бұрын
Could it be a problem with the pressure plate?
@grahamrichards85313 жыл бұрын
I have recently purchased 5 folders from this era and earlier from the internet. The biggest problem is the interior state of the lens, 3 have mist and make "soft" images, one was dirty and a waste of film, one has slight spots. Another common problem is that the folding arms do not run true, this was a problem with 3. The Compur shutters are good and usually accurate in my experience. I am pretty much over this experience with the cost of 120 film however the best one is 6x9 which I will probably keep to letterbox crop for panoramic images.