Analyzing Marvel Studios' Best Scene

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Films&Stuff

Films&Stuff

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Here is the first official episode of my new series: the Marvel Studios Retrospective. In this series I will explore Marvel's history and share the most important lessons of their storytelling. In this first episode we explore what makes the climax to Captain America: Civil War the best Marvel scene.
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@FilmsStuff
@FilmsStuff 4 жыл бұрын
Sorry about the weird audio towards the end, I used KZbin's system of removing music from the video and it messed up the sound. Your headphones did not suddenly break.
@PanicProvisions
@PanicProvisions 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for clearing that up, I was very confused.
@riteshshreenidhi8719
@riteshshreenidhi8719 4 жыл бұрын
lol I thought you were jokingly trying to emulate Zola's voice from Winter Soldier
@cristianeaston4861
@cristianeaston4861 2 жыл бұрын
I know it is kinda off topic but do anybody know of a good website to stream newly released tv shows online?
@houston-coley
@houston-coley 5 жыл бұрын
That's all well and good, but let's be real: the best scene in the MCU is the bit in Thor: The Dark World where he hangs Mjolnir on a coat-rack. Top-tier.
@sandonperkins5626
@sandonperkins5626 5 жыл бұрын
I refuse to not call it Thor 2 The Dark World when mentioning this film for comedic purposes
@captainbritain7379
@captainbritain7379 5 жыл бұрын
Sandon Perkins Thor: The Dark Thor
@bjarkisteinnpetursson9736
@bjarkisteinnpetursson9736 5 жыл бұрын
Jamin Jedi I understood that reference
@comicculture5410
@comicculture5410 5 жыл бұрын
That scene was genius.
@moystbrownie
@moystbrownie 5 жыл бұрын
My ass smells like shit
@mickyjoe97
@mickyjoe97 5 жыл бұрын
*Shows Chris Evans flexing* "It can be incredibly crowd pleasing" You're damn right it can 😏
@markrounseville6998
@markrounseville6998 5 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@tashidiaz8915
@tashidiaz8915 5 жыл бұрын
It was very crowd pleasing. I remember my reaction.
@MaskMan191
@MaskMan191 5 жыл бұрын
What's not crowd pleasing is that even though that is absolutely not a good way to hold that helicopter down (the direction of both forces does not line up with the force that the bicep curl would give), the studio made Chris Evans do it anyway, leading to him tearing part of his bicep.
@theknightsofawesomeness2701
@theknightsofawesomeness2701 5 жыл бұрын
You have one gay. You'll die in five minutes
@Sekken115
@Sekken115 5 жыл бұрын
No u
@SquirtleTime
@SquirtleTime 5 жыл бұрын
That ad placement He's my friend So was I... COLGATE
@TheTriskit4
@TheTriskit4 5 жыл бұрын
Memester LMAOOOOOOOOO
@The_Jovian
@The_Jovian 5 жыл бұрын
Lucky you. I got pizza pops
@marquisallen40
@marquisallen40 5 жыл бұрын
I got The Possesion of Hannah Grace
@jordansteele7700
@jordansteele7700 5 жыл бұрын
I got tik tok
@AngelAguilar-wr4qn
@AngelAguilar-wr4qn 5 жыл бұрын
I got Ralph breaks the internet
@ginge641
@ginge641 5 жыл бұрын
Remember that Tony says "he killed my mom". He doesn't even consider his Dad, but instead his mother. This uses Tony's dislike of his father without hitting the audience over the head.
@loganbigmo
@loganbigmo 5 жыл бұрын
I noticed that the very first time I saw the movie.
@Arkatox
@Arkatox 5 жыл бұрын
Big Mo Logan It’s not a particularly subtle line.
@GrandSupremeDaddyo
@GrandSupremeDaddyo 5 жыл бұрын
I think that had more to do with the fact that his mother was never involved in any of this. She wasn't a scientist or a soldier to be put in harm's way. She was only ever his mom.
@theknight7229
@theknight7229 5 жыл бұрын
Wow I never realised that
@loganbigmo
@loganbigmo 5 жыл бұрын
@@Arkatox I agree but there's always people mentioning it like they just realized or people who never caught on.
@dmitrifrancisco3912
@dmitrifrancisco3912 5 жыл бұрын
My man you missed the best moment in this movie. During the last conflict while they are beating each other within an inch of their lives there is a subtle moment when we realize how far gone they are. Cap is on top of stark and raises his shield above his head. In fear tony raises his arms to stop cap from hitting him in the head. Cap then hits him in the chest disabling his power core. They the look in each others eyes knowing there was no going back. Why is this significant? Tony genuinely thought that Steve was about to go for the kill shot. He fully believed that cap was about to kill him, and this signified the complete destruction of their relationship. And as they looked into each others eyes, they realized how far gone they were.
@nicname3147
@nicname3147 5 жыл бұрын
I never thought of it this way. That's actually really heartbreaking
@dmitrifrancisco3912
@dmitrifrancisco3912 5 жыл бұрын
Nic Name right?!? It hit me hard the first time I saw it. I feel like the intensity of the action causes this moment to feel more subtle than it already is. It’s good stuff!
@nicname3147
@nicname3147 5 жыл бұрын
@@dmitrifrancisco3912 Agreed. And that's honestly making me more worried about Endgame. I feel like Cap might die
@psl6145
@psl6145 5 жыл бұрын
Oh jesus, I never noticed that. That fucking hurts to think about, damn.
@maskiez
@maskiez 5 жыл бұрын
Finally someone see what I saw. My heart was pounding and I was so scared when Cap raised his shield again after Tony's helmet broke. At the moment, I have the same idea as Tony that Cap was going for the final blow. I don't know why I felt that way even though I know Cap has a good heart, but at that moment it was so real because there was no hesitation in Cap in each blow to Tony's face behind the helmet.
@evangamez702
@evangamez702 5 жыл бұрын
Bucky’s “I remember all of them” really got me in the heart
@carloskuking3778
@carloskuking3778 5 жыл бұрын
I love this line because Tony wants him to know how important they are and while Bucky saying he does remember should make him feel better, it also illustrates the fact that they were just two more on his long list of kills, nothing else.
@Grrmanis
@Grrmanis 5 жыл бұрын
@@carloskuking3778 I would actually have to disagree with you here, i don't think Bucky meant it in a non-caring way, as if they're just 'two more on his long list of kills'. To me it sounds more like guilt and regret, that he knew what he was doing all along, but was powerless to stop it.
@amko7444
@amko7444 5 жыл бұрын
@@carloskuking3778 No that wasn't the point. I think what they were trying to show was that Stark isn't the only one impacted from TWS's killings. The assassin himself is traumatized by what he has done.
@MsTriangle
@MsTriangle 5 жыл бұрын
good point @@amko7444
@theoc511
@theoc511 5 жыл бұрын
My thought was...how does he remember all his kills when hydra wipes his mind repeatedly...as seen in CA.TWS when he started to remember Steve, Alexander pierce says wipe him and start over again and then we see the machine placed on him torturing and wiping his mind into being a drone like assassin...but in CA.CW, now he remembers all his kills.....TF???
@zan917
@zan917 5 жыл бұрын
Video: "The Marvel films are very good." Me: "Yes they are." (Clicks on next video.) Video: "The Marvel films are very good." Me: "Yes they are."
@ccubed7861
@ccubed7861 5 жыл бұрын
No love for the elevator fight? “Anyone want to get out?”
@mennaemam1819
@mennaemam1819 5 жыл бұрын
That movie was just the best
@Emarella
@Emarella 5 жыл бұрын
No joke, that was the scene I thought of when I saw this video's title. Just fantastic.
@StoneColdHeat
@StoneColdHeat 5 жыл бұрын
The Elevator fight, the Nick Fury car chase, the Highway attack...so many scenes from Winter Soldier are way better than the Ironman/Captain America fight in Civil War.
@chrisbaum95
@chrisbaum95 5 жыл бұрын
Sorry that's just a Scene that could be in any superhero movie
@majumder456
@majumder456 5 жыл бұрын
chrisbaum95 stfu
@AssembleAA
@AssembleAA 5 жыл бұрын
"There was an idea..."
@PrabhablyAGoodYouTuber
@PrabhablyAGoodYouTuber 5 жыл бұрын
"To bring together a group of remarkable people..."
@StrategyWasTaken
@StrategyWasTaken 5 жыл бұрын
"To see if we become something more, to fight the battles... "
@makatron
@makatron 5 жыл бұрын
That we never could
@therealdoge4760
@therealdoge4760 5 жыл бұрын
@@makatron _"hit or miss"_
@ccanthony887
@ccanthony887 5 жыл бұрын
@TheReal Doge I guess I’ll be tracer
@jackcase119
@jackcase119 5 жыл бұрын
The talk between Steve Roger's and Dr. Erskine. No joke my favorite moment
@VKDante
@VKDante 5 жыл бұрын
Same here. "Not a perfect soldier, but a good man". CHILLS
@notacyborg
@notacyborg 5 жыл бұрын
"No, I don't have procedure tomorrow. Drink it after? I drink it now."
@mennaemam1819
@mennaemam1819 5 жыл бұрын
That whole movie was so touching and beautiful. Underrated imo although the action was definitely bad.
@themadtitan7603
@themadtitan7603 5 жыл бұрын
That scene is amazing, man First Avenger is underrated.
@KuraMad2000
@KuraMad2000 5 жыл бұрын
Civil War was by far one of the most well planned out and edited movies in the MCU. Say what you will about Zemo being a lame villain, I stand by that he was by far the most believably effective villain up until Thanos. For one thing, he accomplished his mission, he managed to do exactly what he set out to do, tear the Avengers apart. The only thing he actually failed at was offing himself in the end. And the use of that opening motorcycle scene, but then re-using that scene multiple times in the movie from different perspectives to slowly reveal why that particular scene is actually what the whole movie is about, was pure genius.
@kreia187
@kreia187 5 жыл бұрын
I struggle calling thanos quote "believable" but I know what you mean ;)
@rodrigoazaalegria9271
@rodrigoazaalegria9271 5 жыл бұрын
KuraMad2000 I
@themadtitan7603
@themadtitan7603 5 жыл бұрын
100% agreed
@tellmesomething2412
@tellmesomething2412 5 жыл бұрын
We all knew Bucky killed Tony's parents, but not how it would effect the Avengers. Yeah... It was genius.
@CheriptheRipper
@CheriptheRipper 5 жыл бұрын
There are people who think Zemo is a lame villain?
@jameswilkes6358
@jameswilkes6358 5 жыл бұрын
Your final point is quite prominent for Thor in Infinity War, despite being the strongest hero he has had the greatest loses and they really strip him down to his base motivations making for a great scene with Rocket, and emphasising the importance of his arrival in Wakanda. Great vid!
@VicenteTorresAliasVits
@VicenteTorresAliasVits 5 жыл бұрын
Another interesting aspect about CIVIL WAR: We know that BUCKY has been brainwashed so, throughout most of the plot, we're waiting for the characters against him to find out/believe the truth. However, when TONY finally believes it, the story doesn't end. They bring in another conflict that isn't just a series of misunderstandings. TONY explicitly says that he doesn't *care* about the truth. There's a lot of tension because the solution is harder to predict.
@Alphajet101
@Alphajet101 5 жыл бұрын
Where did Tony say that? Also, agree.
@VicenteTorresAliasVits
@VicenteTorresAliasVits 5 жыл бұрын
@@Alphajet101 "I don't care. He killed my mom."
@Alphajet101
@Alphajet101 5 жыл бұрын
Ohhhh ok. I thought he litterly said something like "I don't care about the truth"
@ian74747
@ian74747 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, this doesn't shy away from his character. His blind rage is really on character. He's rash, impulsive, arrogant. He wanted to exact revenge on Bucky even though he knows he's mind controlled.
@Alphajet101
@Alphajet101 5 жыл бұрын
@@ian74747 Dosen't change the fact that Steve lied to Tony the ENTIRE TIME. Also, how tf will someone believe some person got mindcontrolled? Would you really believe it? No. Tony snaps, so would we. We don't go "Oh, your friend got mindcontroller? Ok then :D"
@momyour170
@momyour170 5 жыл бұрын
Best scene is actually Tony buying strawberries in Iron Man 2
@Starfire_Storm
@Starfire_Storm 5 жыл бұрын
Nah fam, the best scene was Tony and Rhodey in the private jet all drunk in Iron Man 1
@CertifiedFresh7
@CertifiedFresh7 5 жыл бұрын
@@Starfire_Storm Nah bro, the best scene was Tony eating donuts inside of donut in Iron Man 2
@humanbeing8068
@humanbeing8068 5 жыл бұрын
Certified Fresh nah man it’s when he bought the giant bunny wit huge tiddys for pepper in iron man 3
@momyour170
@momyour170 5 жыл бұрын
Barry McCockinner They actually used cgi to make them look less breast-like in some shots.
@ujustgotdunkedon4523
@ujustgotdunkedon4523 5 жыл бұрын
momyour170 I’m allergic to strawberries
@PotatoMC1
@PotatoMC1 5 жыл бұрын
imo, the *coolest* scene is Stormbreaker yeeting into Wakanda.
@Whopcap
@Whopcap 5 жыл бұрын
When Thor jumps up, sky gets blue, and he throws the hammer DOOOOWN!! I yelled "holy SHIIIIIIIIEEEEET" at my cinema ⚒️😂
@sonalj4081
@sonalj4081 5 жыл бұрын
lmao love how you phrased that
@therielle
@therielle 5 жыл бұрын
PotatoMC AGREED!
@supersaiyanfox9190
@supersaiyanfox9190 5 жыл бұрын
Best superhero entrance of all time!!! It’s a fact! Black Panther: “Evacuate the city! Engage all defenses! And get this man a Thanos!”
@CamJames
@CamJames 5 жыл бұрын
that "yoouuuurrrrmmm" sound effect when Thor jumps >>>>
@craigstephenson7676
@craigstephenson7676 5 жыл бұрын
Black Panther was better in Civil War than his own movie
@christmasisawesome9348
@christmasisawesome9348 5 жыл бұрын
T'challa has a different motive in each movie which somewhat explains it.
@thickhil
@thickhil 5 жыл бұрын
@@christmasisawesome9348 Except he was rather boring in Black Panther. Killmonger and Shuri were way more interesting characters in that movie.
@apemayor3046
@apemayor3046 5 жыл бұрын
@Sav Drako The CGI was allot better in Civil War than Black Panther don't get me wrong. But they used a TON of CGI in Civil War. The entire airport at the end is CGI and many characters use CGI in their costumes. It is just harder to notice because it actually very good CGI for the most part.
@Burtonesque413
@Burtonesque413 5 жыл бұрын
One thing to consider is the fact that since Marvel is typically filming at least 2-3 movies at once, and having multiple teams work across each one and distributing their creative teams across each one, some films are just going to get the better team to work on one vs another. Civil War was noticeably one of the best films in the franchise as far as visual effects are concerned, whereas Black Panther was generally a less well-established and not as promising standalone film when compared to the likes of Infinity War (and even Thor: Ragnarok), so the Seal Team 6 of Marvel's visual team was going to be invested in the bigger project. The same thing might occur across other Disney projects, such as in the mid 90s when Pocahontas, Hunchback of Notre Dame, and Hercules all being made on top of one another and their best animators being spread very thin. Ironically, Black Panther went on to smash the expectations of everyone, even the studio making it that would typically inflate its box office projections for the sake of publicity (their initial projections were closer to the Ant-Man films, and then it of course went on to gross over 200 million in its opening weekend).
@craigstephenson7676
@craigstephenson7676 5 жыл бұрын
@@Burtonesque413 They actually had black panther suits that looked better than the CGI, especially in the last battle.
@pon7630
@pon7630 5 жыл бұрын
I think it's so funny to see people that don't really watch these movies pretending it's blockbuster garbage like transformers just because it is famous and it's easier to think that, they have so much filmmaking value, just because the movies make money it doesn't mean they don't have a substantial story to tell (congratulations on the excellent video)
@JBDNFT
@JBDNFT 5 жыл бұрын
My name's Ian i like all transformers movies, am i stupid?
@kooale3252
@kooale3252 5 жыл бұрын
@@JBDNFT nah. i like em too. but only the battles and action scenes. story is trash
@JBDNFT
@JBDNFT 5 жыл бұрын
Kooale325 Tru
@thisisfyne
@thisisfyne 5 жыл бұрын
That's just because well-plotted intricate films and big budget extravaganza are usually mutually exclusive concepts. Surprisingly enough, the Russos pulled it off with the Marvel franchise. I don't think it would be regarded as good as it is if these guys (along with the screenwriters) weren't brought on board to shake things up and deepen the characters.
@JBDNFT
@JBDNFT 5 жыл бұрын
@@thisisfyne actually you can put all that on FIEGE. He hired them
@RenbeOfficial
@RenbeOfficial 5 жыл бұрын
this is all well and good, but the ACTUAL best scene is clearly the schwarma scene.
@toatahu2003
@toatahu2003 5 жыл бұрын
Was an after credits scene. Doesn't count.
@Smansi_da_randumb
@Smansi_da_randumb 5 жыл бұрын
G
@Smansi_da_randumb
@Smansi_da_randumb 5 жыл бұрын
Best post credit scene I’d say
@mintsavanna5178
@mintsavanna5178 5 жыл бұрын
Saw this while eating a sharwama
@KevinMontalbo
@KevinMontalbo 5 жыл бұрын
LOL. It's spelled SHAWARMA guys. No hate tho.
@thevoid99
@thevoid99 5 жыл бұрын
for me it, "what more can i lose?" thor and rocket having a simple conversation about the stakes of what thor had to do and why. thor talks about the fact that he just lost the people in his home planet, friends, his best friend, and most of all, his brother. he had also lost his mother and later his father. he also lost his hammer in the hands of his sister whom he had just learned about. he also had to destroy his own home planet to save his people. you could see that he is angry and wants to kill thanos more than anything yet he is also becoming more fragile with everything he has lost. that line "what more can i lose?" as a tear streams down the one eye he has left. it's him dealing with the possibility of not succeeding. it is a moment that shows thor opening up to someone like rocket who had also gone through lost as they bond and become unlikely collaborators in creating this new weapon to stop thanos. it's these moments that has made the mcu so important to cinema. people say it's killing cinema. i disagree. it is in the same tradition that people like fellini, bergman, kurosawa, tarkovsky, kubrick, welles, malick, bresson, the coens, mel brooks, and many others are doing. it's just in a different palette with different toys.
@Emarella
@Emarella 5 жыл бұрын
My gosh, how dare I forget that one? Guess who needs to go back and rewatch Infinity War... That was hands-down one of my favorite film moments, period.
@pratikbrli
@pratikbrli 5 жыл бұрын
for me....the best one too
@dannybenhur6123
@dannybenhur6123 5 жыл бұрын
Mission Report December 16 1991....Zemo is best underrated villain by the way....
@supersaiyanfox9190
@supersaiyanfox9190 5 жыл бұрын
Danny Benhur I know right?! Zemo is actually top 10 material for me because even though he has no superpowers and his plan does kind of rely on luck and coincidences, he has a perfectly good reason for doing this! Most of the other MCU villains are just evil and don’t have a good motive for their actions! They’re so emotionless that literal cardboard cutouts can show more emotion than them!
@osamahabib7547
@osamahabib7547 5 жыл бұрын
Danny Benhur Absolutely right
@themadtitan7603
@themadtitan7603 5 жыл бұрын
Agreed, he was actually the first MCU villain to win.
@drakesanders7304
@drakesanders7304 5 жыл бұрын
He tore the Avengers apart. How could he not be a more appreciated villain.
@sebastianw.7254
@sebastianw.7254 5 жыл бұрын
This scene alone is why I love Civil War so much. It's a scene of pure emotion with fantastic writing, choreography, and performances.
@rolandduson2021
@rolandduson2021 5 жыл бұрын
The only thing I don't like is that Iron Man loses.
@sebastianw.7254
@sebastianw.7254 5 жыл бұрын
@@rolandduson2021 well, not necessarily. In some ways you interpret the scene as Tony's victory, and in others you could interpret it as Steve'e victory. The reason the film works is because before it's theatrical release, they had several screenings where they asked exactly 100 people who they thought won, and they edited the film after every screening until exactly 50 people thought Tony won and 50 people thought Steve won. So in a way nobody won.
@idleeidolon
@idleeidolon 5 жыл бұрын
The reason why the deconstruction in Civil War works is the same reason Alan Moore's deconstruction in Watchmen works: there's something to destroy. BVS on the other hand, attempts to tear down something that's barely constructed.
@rastarapha
@rastarapha 5 жыл бұрын
BvS bring heros together, the movie don't split heroes... The movie hasen't the same goal than Cw
@stobie8128
@stobie8128 5 жыл бұрын
Civil War is still in my opinion, Marvels best film. It's one of the best Superhero films made I feel. I don't care what anyone says, Zemo is a great villain.
@jimnicholls5215
@jimnicholls5215 5 жыл бұрын
I personally think it gets slightly convoluted and i dont like the airport battle tbh
@antona.1327
@antona.1327 5 жыл бұрын
@@jimnicholls5215, same.
@joedbermas9090
@joedbermas9090 5 жыл бұрын
I agree,marvel did a good job even if its a story telling risk everytime
@JKissoon1
@JKissoon1 5 жыл бұрын
No
@ImOutsideTheBox
@ImOutsideTheBox 5 жыл бұрын
I loved civil war with all my heart but nothing can beat Tony and Strange going all out against Thanos, that was the moment the comics truly came to life for me.
@TheLimer12
@TheLimer12 5 жыл бұрын
My favorite line from Stark is: ”You and Banner better not be playing hide the zucchini”
@augustinlacroix6438
@augustinlacroix6438 5 жыл бұрын
When I was a kid, I used to think superheroes were stupid. Now here I am, nearly an adult, fanboying over everything in Infinity War... they sure did something right.
@corbanbausch9049
@corbanbausch9049 4 жыл бұрын
Augustin Lacroix saaaaame
@elin111
@elin111 5 жыл бұрын
The real tragic victim of that scene was Howard Stark. The man is indirectly responsible for both Tony and Steve becoming heroes, he guided Steve to his first mission against Hydra and developed the Vibranium shield, then developed the Arc Reactor that Tony uses in the Iron Man suits and left the home videos that motivated Tony to be a better person. It's both tragic and in a way fitting that Howard Stark's death is what destroyed the two heroes that Howard indirectly helped create.
@theoc511
@theoc511 5 жыл бұрын
Like a true parent
@charlietcj6346
@charlietcj6346 5 жыл бұрын
Damn...this movie capture the meaning of war.There is no right and wrong in war.only destruction. fans choose side which hero they want to win but nobody wins. Btw,Tony is not wrong but i'm in team cap.
@Zladnyl
@Zladnyl 5 жыл бұрын
I agree Tony is not wrong, but I am afraid Captain America is, your on the wrong side of it. Considering Captain America was on the side of himself and his worst possible friend, he was willing to hurt his best friends, his real friends, to try and bring back an old friend. Not to mention, when it comes to parents in this series, I don't care how "brainwashed" bucky is, he killed someones parents, which is something only Thanos and Ego have done in the past and actually finished it and gone through with it. Ego died because of what he did and was going to do, it is safe to say Thanos will follow this same path of death and undoing, and Bucky deserves it just the same. I would get it if Bucky felt remorse, couldn't remember it at all, or something, but he was, under mysterious circumstances "brainwashed" into doing all of that, remembers every bit of it, and doesn't seem at all sorry, and they crippled Tony's best friend trying to save Bucky, on top of this Captain America and Bucky teamed on Stark no matter why he was doing it, if he was right at all. At least the cherry on top is Captain America had to see Bucky get dusted by Thanos, and he damn sure earned it...
@inferneo
@inferneo 5 жыл бұрын
How hypocrite of you
@rastarapha
@rastarapha 5 жыл бұрын
@@Zladnyl finally someone who understanf YES, CAPTAIN IS AN ASSHOLE IN CIVIL WAR
@KillerTacos54
@KillerTacos54 5 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video. Also Marvel's best scene for me is still either that elevator scene in Winter Soldier or the Highway battle in Winter Soldier
@frankdijkhuis7038
@frankdijkhuis7038 5 жыл бұрын
Against Bullys: i can do this all day Against Tony: i can do this all day Against bucky: im not going to fight you. Your my friend First time he backs away from a fight
@maryschroeder1533
@maryschroeder1533 5 жыл бұрын
Captain America They're with each other till the end of the line.
@Adriennestarborn
@Adriennestarborn 5 жыл бұрын
hM yA kNow UntiL hE *D I E D*
@Atlasss97
@Atlasss97 5 жыл бұрын
I think with the Steve willing to sacrifice the avengers for Bucky is missing one key point. At that point of time Steve had not only found out his friend was innocent but the guy framing him could potentially find a whole army of winter soldiers and unleash them. His priority was to get to the place and stop that from happening...that's when he gets the other avengers involved
@captainmayonnaise1487
@captainmayonnaise1487 5 жыл бұрын
I swear no joke I have literally watched this scene over 100 times.
@LoverboyMedia
@LoverboyMedia 5 жыл бұрын
THE DROUGHT IS OVER
@njstuckey
@njstuckey 5 жыл бұрын
Ok I'm 6 minutes into this and I have major, major issues with your analysis. You have correctly identified the main motivations behind Cap and Stark's actions, but you are approaching them as if it's a given that Cap's defense of Bucky is "supposed" to be the main problem of the film and that his actions are a moral compromise but Stark's aren't. I completely disagree. Cap is not the antagonist to Stark's protagonist; they are dual antagonists. The two worldviews being expressed in the movie are compelling drama because they are equally valid (not one automatically wrong as you suggest). Cap is all about individual freedoms and saving one human's life even at the cost of other relationships; Stark is all about collective unity and the necessity of sacrificing the individual for the good of the whole. These competing worldviews can be succinctly called "freedom" and "security" and most importantly, neither one is inherently better or more important than the other. Modern society struggles daily with this compromise and how to apply it. Cap and Stark are BOTH making clear moral compromises to progress their own views, and the tension in the movie is them trying to decide whether they can continue to be on the same side as they do this. I'll watch the rest and see what you think about other parts but I had to point this out because I think it is a major flaw in your analysis. I really don't think the Russos intended this movie to support one character's view as "better." Rather it is a natural conflict between two equally important values that the audience can easily relate to because we face those struggles on a smaller scale in our own lives and politics.
@bbarrow11297
@bbarrow11297 5 жыл бұрын
njstuckey i could not have put this better
@thedoctor1814
@thedoctor1814 5 жыл бұрын
I think that the video was implicitly stating that both sides have flaws and both end up losing in the end. He just focuses on Cap which I don't mind as it made me look at his actions in a way that I hadn't before. Still could've mentioned something about Tony's shortcomings but as I said, that did feel slightly implied.
@njstuckey
@njstuckey 5 жыл бұрын
@@thedoctor1814 That's possible. But if so, thats a pretty big omission from what makes the end scene important, which is the entire point of the video. That fight scene is very different if it's just poor maligned Stark fighting a failed idealist, compared to a fight between two idealists. That fight becomes a metaphor for the philosophical struggle between individuality (freedom) and collectivism (security). I should also be clear, I really like this channel's content and this video hasn't changed my mind about that!
@person906
@person906 5 жыл бұрын
damn dude. bars.
@aarayo6757
@aarayo6757 5 жыл бұрын
"We don't trade lives." -Steve Rogers in Avengers: Infinity War
@keithscott2073
@keithscott2073 5 жыл бұрын
the Avengers break up is what lead to their defeat by thanos... their break up is rooted in the date of Dec. 1991... the infinity gauntlet comic started in Dec.1991
@christopherjakel1049
@christopherjakel1049 5 жыл бұрын
But did it start Dec. 16th 1991?
@wal81270
@wal81270 5 жыл бұрын
@@christopherjakel1049 - It ended in December. No idea which specific day the final issue came out.
@nathanmeyer4539
@nathanmeyer4539 5 жыл бұрын
Alan Silvestri wrote the best musical theme in The Avengers. Plays throughout the film.
@TommyTonk
@TommyTonk 5 жыл бұрын
The best scene is really just captain america teaching the audience about the importance of patience
@pauljung5594
@pauljung5594 5 жыл бұрын
Sebastian Stan’s emotional performance as Bucky is also a bit underrated as well. He cannot just be Bucky, not can he ever just be the Winter Soldier. He regrets his actions but doesn’t want to die. His major struggle is escaping his past and he knows he can’t as soon as Tony sees the clip so he resorts to his only viable solution which is fighting. But watch the scene and you’ll see him tearing up when Tony finally looks at him after seeing his parents death.
@daltonhill5110
@daltonhill5110 5 жыл бұрын
CW: "I don't care, he killed my mom." BvS: "Martha!"
@pxz4a22c
@pxz4a22c 5 жыл бұрын
No one mentioned the legendary 'I'm not as strong as you.' 'No. You're stronger. ' Ragnarok is my favorite.
@loupafoid
@loupafoid 5 жыл бұрын
I don't remember the final “I can do this all day” line but damn that hit hard...
@C4DNerd
@C4DNerd 5 жыл бұрын
Reading the title, I was a little skeptical as to what you'd end up choosing as the "Best Scene," but as someone who believes Civil War is the best film in the MCU, I can safely agree that, YES, this IS the best scene in the MCU.
@dankerbell
@dankerbell 5 жыл бұрын
but you saw the thumbnail right?
@charlenek11
@charlenek11 5 жыл бұрын
I don't agree with Civil War being the BEST of the MCU but it is in the top 5 for me. Probably 3 or 4 depending on the mood I'm in. But I would agree regardless that this scene is the best of the best, for many of the reasons that were stated in the above video. It was deeply personal, and the stakes were real, something you could feel in your bones. It paid off years of storytelling in the most powerful, compelling way.
@nothajzl
@nothajzl 5 жыл бұрын
Sorry but Iron Man 1 is still the best
@manuelrichter8653
@manuelrichter8653 5 жыл бұрын
Yondu's funeral in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 is my favourite MCU scene. Such a powerful moment and the perfect ending to an amazing movie!
@markwelschmeyer2426
@markwelschmeyer2426 5 жыл бұрын
to me that scene wasn't really earned. not that i don't enjoy it.
@andrewnguyen1652
@andrewnguyen1652 5 жыл бұрын
Cap: He’s my friend... Tony: So was I- Hungry Jack’s ad: Spicy
@JustinShrader
@JustinShrader 5 жыл бұрын
A lot of civil war scenes are outstanding. The apartment scene where cap finds Bucky is my favorite.
@QuestionableLifeChoices
@QuestionableLifeChoices 5 жыл бұрын
Glad to see this is a totally impartial viewing of civil war. I'm on caps side because, in my mind, he was at least more right than tony. He was gonna sign the accords until he found out that Wanda was basically locked up and made to feel like shit and tony knew that would be a deal breaker based on his reaction when Steve asked about her. The accords are a reactive, emotional reaction (headed by a guy who has a known history of wanting to control and/kill powered people) to something that needs WAY more time to think out. If the accords had been in place during iron man 2, tony would've HAD to give the suit to hydra or be sent to the raft. I love tony and iron man, but he's more interested in assuaging his own sense of guilt because HE doesn't have he ability to deal and compartmentalize stuff like that. They make it explicit that this is stemming from his guilt over sokkovia but he did EVERYTHING in his power to save as many people as possible, he got everyone off that floating city. What he wants is the power to save everyone which, while admirable, can only end in corruption. Steve is more consistent in his philosophy (he's always believed in people, he doesn't like bullies) than tony. They both switched places politically (tony being pretty anti authority and Steve at least trusting in the government to protect people) so don't go putting all this "broke his philosophy" shit on cap. I can't believe we're still talking about this
@BungieStudios
@BungieStudios 5 жыл бұрын
Captain America saw firsthand what political corruption and espionage can do with tools designed to guard the people. Iron Man conveniently ignores the fact that his commandeered weapons for SHIELD would have killed millions upon millions of Hydra's political dissidents if not for Steve Rogers' fortunate intervention. Tony Stark would have been back to square one from the original movie. HIS WEAPONS WOULD END UP IN THE WRONG HANDS AND USED TO KILL INNOCENTS. All because, like you said, he wants to alleviate his guilt. It's why I cannot side with Tony Stark at all. He acts on emotion but not critical, rational thought. Ironic because of how brilliant he is. That and the plot is obviously biased towards Captain America, it being a Captain America film.
@ParadoxEngineer
@ParadoxEngineer 5 жыл бұрын
"Sometimes we cant save everyone, but if we stop trying... them maybe next time no one gets saved." -Steve Rogers
@mechajay3358
@mechajay3358 5 жыл бұрын
I'm still on Team Ironman, Tony has been through way to much in the film that I really wanted to root for him.
@RepliesMuted
@RepliesMuted 5 жыл бұрын
Jay 3.0 What about Cap though, he lost more than anybody, he literally lost his whole world and woke up in the future. And then he gets his friend back and suddenly the whole world is trying to take him away.
@RepliesMuted
@RepliesMuted 5 жыл бұрын
allyiah simon they right tho :^) The Cap has good morals.
@thesuperframe
@thesuperframe 5 жыл бұрын
This is a really well made video pal, keep up the great work
@Maws92
@Maws92 5 жыл бұрын
Mitch!
@conradhebert1900
@conradhebert1900 5 жыл бұрын
Along with stripping the characters down, you forgot to mention how every character in the fight lose things as the battle goes on. Tony’s reactor, helmet, thrusters, and targeting systems break, Steve loses his shield (albeit willingly), and Bucky loses his arm. It’s a descent both vertically, physically, and emotionally for all three characters.
@WagnerBoy55
@WagnerBoy55 5 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite scenes is Thor and Rocket in IW. Its huge growth between the to
@marce.t8732
@marce.t8732 5 жыл бұрын
Steve and Bucky tag-teaming Iron Man is one of the most rewatchable moments in Marvel film for me.
@AMonkeysDoneItMedia
@AMonkeysDoneItMedia 5 жыл бұрын
Well reasoned, and I agree that it's probably the best scene in the MCU, but my favorite moment is in Infinity War when we're shown that Tony carries Steve's phone everywhere with him. But that moment is made all the more powerful by the events of this scene.
@williamj.dovejr.8613
@williamj.dovejr.8613 Жыл бұрын
The silhouette of the characters, lack of extensive dialogue, against the backdrop the columns...pure survival. This is a modern gladiator match.
@Ian-oe9wp
@Ian-oe9wp 5 жыл бұрын
For me it's when iron man comes out of that cave
@headedbeefer1511
@headedbeefer1511 5 жыл бұрын
Nah
@alastairchong4824
@alastairchong4824 5 жыл бұрын
Best scene is when Mickey Rourke is skipping down the track with electric jump rope
@davetrani513
@davetrani513 5 жыл бұрын
we were meant to be torn apart in CA\CW, by a number of things that happened in this movie, and this scene in particular was meant to sting us, in such an excruciating way, that we would be left in clear confusion of the future going forward, because by this point in the timeline, we've only had hints at Infinity War and Thanos, and a broken team is ultimately how that ended. Liked, keep making these.
@zayray4283
@zayray4283 5 жыл бұрын
They both made alot of mistakes man dont pretend like tony wasnt emotionally compromised too.
@chibi013
@chibi013 5 жыл бұрын
No, Cap was pretty damn aware of the potential consequences. Saving Bucky was just more important than anything else. Take that how you will (IMO Sharon Carter is just another misdirect). Also, the whole importance of the soldiers/Howard and Maria Stark thing wasn't much of a surprise... They gave it away in the previous Cap movie. I mean, it was always going to end with Steve and Tony fighting. I was just expecting the former to die. The movie had a pretty happy ending compared to the comics honestly.
@333mron
@333mron 5 жыл бұрын
Jesus bro that was perfect
@OwenLikesComics
@OwenLikesComics 5 жыл бұрын
The GOAT is back!
@andrewhuynh6556
@andrewhuynh6556 5 жыл бұрын
love your channel
@theoc511
@theoc511 5 жыл бұрын
😧GOAT....Son...just don't...
@freddogrosso9835
@freddogrosso9835 5 жыл бұрын
Cool video. But the best scene is in the 1st Avengers. When the old man stood up to Loki. "There will be always men like you."
@johm3002
@johm3002 5 жыл бұрын
Freddo Grosso Captain America gave me chills in that scene mmm
@kayden2119
@kayden2119 5 жыл бұрын
Freddo Grosso nah
@kaylaallison5471
@kaylaallison5471 5 жыл бұрын
That scene is great!😁😁
@Faisaldegrt
@Faisaldegrt 5 жыл бұрын
Goosebumps are not the criteria.
@DoctorZisIN
@DoctorZisIN 5 жыл бұрын
That should've been Stan Lee
@jordan31176
@jordan31176 5 жыл бұрын
Marvels best acting scene has to go to all of Downey Jrs scenes
@bestofmovieanalysisandvide1452
@bestofmovieanalysisandvide1452 5 жыл бұрын
Always a pleasure to see one of your videos in my notifications.
@thatsagoose4039
@thatsagoose4039 5 жыл бұрын
I agree with you that this scene is a very important scene, but I don’t think it’s the best one. I think the best scene in the marvel cinematic universe was the end credit scene of the first avenger when Steve says, “I had a date” This line just tells us so much about the character and what his morals and philosophy’s are
@Kenneth45
@Kenneth45 5 жыл бұрын
Geebus, that last scene in Civil War makes me so anxious. And I'm not just talking about the fight, I'm also talking about when Tony is watching the video and we slowly see it playing out, watching Tony, watch his mother being killed by The Winter Soldier... I could feel the emotion, the tension, you know everyone is getting emotional, Rogers is greatly regretting not sharing the information with Tony in the past and for him to find out this way, god what a great scene...
@rottensquid
@rottensquid 5 жыл бұрын
While we deconstruct Captain America's philosophy and how it led to the breaking of his friendship with Tony, it's important to remember this. If Cap did things Tony's way, Bucky would be dead. And if Tony did things Cap's way, Rhodey wouldn't be crippled. So really, who betrayed whose friendship? Regardless, I think you're mistaken in your assessment that friendship is Steve's superpower. It's actually compassion. And if he made any mistakes in this story, it was letting compassion silence him about Tony's parents. I presume he saw nothing good coming out of Tony knowing. And he was right. Nothing good came of it. But that's just my POV, and I'm backing it up with amazingly slick, gorgeously edited youtube video essays. Great work.
@nfnite
@nfnite 5 жыл бұрын
>If Cap did things Tony's way, Bucky would be dead No, Bucky would be captured and investigation would be going on. Tony probably assumed Cap wanted to blindly protect his old friend who is now a criminal; you can see that when Tony got evidence of Bucky's innocence, he wanted to help Cap. >If Tony did things Cap's way, Rhodey wouldn't be crippled You can also say it the other way around -- If Cap would do things Tony's way, Rhodey wouldn't be crippled
@princessjellyfish98
@princessjellyfish98 5 жыл бұрын
that's so true! we've never seen cap lie until this scene, and the reason it's believable is because of what we know about his character and the reasoning behind it
@timmorris7338
@timmorris7338 5 жыл бұрын
@@nfnite "No, Bucky would be captured and investigation would be going on." This is not true. The SWAT Team who attacked Bucky and Cap in Budapest had orders to shoot Bucky on sight. Sharon says this to Cap in the scene prior. Had Steve not intervened, Bucky would likely be dead either at the hands of the SWAT team or T'Challa who was trying to kill him too.
@kirani111
@kirani111 5 жыл бұрын
I think, given the chance, Tony would have reacted very differently if Steve had told him earlier. After this whole ordeal, if Tony truly was out for vengeance, he would have gone after Bucky like a bloodhound. Instead he not only completely ceased to chase Cap and Co., but allowed them to escape the raft after Ross called him for backup. I don't understand Steve's decision and truly fault him for it. He would have kept the secret to his grave, and had no right to. :/
@iiADIDASx
@iiADIDASx 5 жыл бұрын
Ted Naifeh when exactly does cap find out again about Bucky killing the Stark’s which movie and when
@supersaiyanfox9190
@supersaiyanfox9190 5 жыл бұрын
I do love the misdirection that the Russo brothers did for Civil War, but it would’ve worked a lot better if they didn’t spoil the battle between Steve and Tony in the trailers. I feel like they should’ve kept hammering down the super soldiers in the trailers so that we as an audience would be totally surprised when we find out that they were not the main focus for the climax. They did this for Hulk in the first Avengers: Infinity War trailer because we see him in Wakanda fighting with the Avengers, but in the movie, Banner was doing all of the fighting in the Hulkbuster armor. And they also did this for Thanos because throughout the trailers, he only has two Infinity Stones, but in the movie, he keeps collecting more of them as the story progresses. For example, when we see Thanos fighting Tony and Steve in the trailers, he only had two Infinity Stones, but in the movie, Thanos already had four Infinity Stones when fighting Tony and five Infinity Stones when fighting Steve.
@kalathi1898
@kalathi1898 5 жыл бұрын
One thing to note about the "mission report" date in Civil War -- if you pause and look at the newspaper clipping of Howard Stark's death in the intro to the VERY FIRST Iron Man (where they're going over Tony's achievements at the award ceremony), the date is December 17th, 1991. That, my friends, is what a master plan looks like.
@blksheepramirez
@blksheepramirez 5 жыл бұрын
This is one of the best in depth videos of a film I have ever seen. Kudos my friend, absolutely hit the mark and surpassed it
@teemusid
@teemusid 5 жыл бұрын
Agreeing to the terms of the accords would have preserved the body of The Avengers by sacrificing it's soul. What is the point of saving the institution at the cost of it's mission?
@tannerfraser8286
@tannerfraser8286 5 жыл бұрын
Nice gave me goosebumps
@XanderFlicks
@XanderFlicks 5 жыл бұрын
This video is super underrated. Made me appreciate some of the subtleties I missed my first few viewings. Keep it up!
@cualestupedo1
@cualestupedo1 5 жыл бұрын
The way the MCU's entire cast has portrayed and cultivated their respective characters should be emulated by every other studio out there 😍😍 This is how i wanted Clark and Bruce's relationship to develop 😔
@superlol178
@superlol178 5 жыл бұрын
Really well done video!! The Russo brothers are the best when the subject is action...
@chriscross1214
@chriscross1214 5 жыл бұрын
The best scene has to be when Iron Man v Captain America, and Captain America holds Thanos’ hand. And when the Avengers unite together in the first film in New York, and when Thor kills the Outriders with the Stormbreaker when he saids, “BRING ME THANOS!!” in Avengers: Infinity War
@mickyodell
@mickyodell 5 жыл бұрын
I loved this scene the first time I saw it and I loved it completely. It was raw and visceral and you could really understand the emotion and passion driving the characters during the scene. Great video, thanks for the analysis.👍
@The3rdGunman
@The3rdGunman 4 жыл бұрын
Steve Rodger's story arc is the heart of the Avenger's movies, the MCU and is the best by far.
@dannybenhur6123
@dannybenhur6123 5 жыл бұрын
The Siberian fight scene is also best acted scene in Marvel Universe....
@ghost245353
@ghost245353 5 жыл бұрын
Remember, Marvel Studios wanted to remove the farm scene in Age of Ultron. Joss Whedon had to fight the studio to keep it in the movie. The resulting trade off was that he was not allowed to remove the Thor well scene.
@loganbigmo
@loganbigmo 5 жыл бұрын
Not true. Joss wanted *BOTH* the farm scene *_and_* the Thor vision lake scene. He had to pick one to flesh out, so he chose the farm, hence why the Thor vision thing is lackluster. Your comment says he wasn't allowed to remove the Thor scene, that's not true. The studio could have done without that scene but Whedon wanted it in.
@bnadit1949
@bnadit1949 5 жыл бұрын
@@loganbigmo I'll never understand why studios want to cut shit like that. Look at the first Avengers movie. That chick that we focus on for like 30 seconds in the final battle, she had 5-6 minutes of cut screen time and was used to show the innocence of the world and show how Steve views Tony without saying anything. It would have pushed the run time from 2 hours and 23 minutes to 2 hours and 30 minutes. Does that really matter? No, it doesn't. Keep in all the scenes so long as they make sense with the pacing and work to flesh out the plot/main characters more.
@quitequaintq5830
@quitequaintq5830 5 жыл бұрын
That scene of tony figuring out the truth about his parents gives me goosebumps every time and this was an excellent video man. I subbed and liked, can't wait for more!
@thejunkface
@thejunkface 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for highlighting this scene. Everyone always talks about the airport scene in Civil War, but the ending climax and fight are still my favourite in the movie.
@swarnimtiwari111
@swarnimtiwari111 5 жыл бұрын
I am pretty sure marvel's best scene is the hallway fight from Daredevil s01e02
@guyr3618
@guyr3618 5 жыл бұрын
I like it, but it was pretty self-indulgent in comparison to this scene. And it didn't have nearly as much dramatic weight.
@CoyDavis
@CoyDavis 5 жыл бұрын
Let’s be real here, THE BEST SCENE in the MCU is the shot of the OG Avengers together in the first Avengers movie
@sumedhasharma1984
@sumedhasharma1984 5 жыл бұрын
I have to say.. hats off to you .. this video has such fine in- depth analysis - something that I haven't seen in a long time... Usually there's just stating- the - obvious kind of material that I get in my feed .. but this is so much good ... I loved Civil War before but now since you revealed it's core to me ... It will hold a special place in my heart .. thank you.
@alexvaquero6884
@alexvaquero6884 5 жыл бұрын
Such a well constructed video!! the editing is insane ... i love it
@akshit318
@akshit318 5 жыл бұрын
As much as I love infinity war..... This is still the most ambitious movie from marvel
@BabyLace
@BabyLace 5 жыл бұрын
I like all of civil war but best action scene is when thor hits hella with the biggest lightning bolt in the history of lightning after she thought she was the shit.........."what were you tha god of again ?"
@ScarrVett
@ScarrVett 5 жыл бұрын
I felt more in Civil War then in Ragnarok Watching a hero disagree and fight with another hero made me feel something
@lancemaltby895
@lancemaltby895 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent analysis, superb editing and just enough movie dialogue to make me want to view the movies yet again. Liked and subscribed.
@criseist9786
@criseist9786 5 жыл бұрын
My only issue with civil war is within the line "I can do this all day" because it implies viewing stark as a bully, when he obviously has very good reasons for being upset and hurt
@iamundergrace
@iamundergrace 5 жыл бұрын
Thanos speaking to kid gamora in the soul realm. Done.
@douglasrau5094
@douglasrau5094 5 жыл бұрын
To be fair (spoilers for Captain America: Civil War), after a certain point, Cap's motivation isn't protecting Bucky from legal prosecution. It's making sure Zemo doesn't awaken the other 5 or 6 Winter Soldiers who are kept in stasis somewhere in Siberia who could "topple any government in a day or two" (or something to that effect). He even says it straight out to Tony in the beginning of that great airport scene. Tony is just beyond the point of being able to listen to Cap by then.
@pizza_patrol7757
@pizza_patrol7757 5 жыл бұрын
Dude I do this so much and my friends hate it, I analyze every little detail of a movie that I can and I love doing it. I love this dude you did an amazing job. SUBSCRIBED!
@TonyQuinn
@TonyQuinn 5 жыл бұрын
Great stuff! You’ve given more to think about regarding this film, which makes me like it even more.
@jonzu4
@jonzu4 5 жыл бұрын
Well according to Bill Maher, these movies are dumb and it's the reason why Trump won. 😂
@FilmsStuff
@FilmsStuff 5 жыл бұрын
@Snehil Shrey Yeah, can we get an Iron Man re-release, with the only change being the omission of Bill Maher? That would be swell.
@danielwhite3244
@danielwhite3244 5 жыл бұрын
Lets not give that individual any other attention. Its what he wants, guys. No one would care about him for the next couple of years anyway
@RepliesMuted
@RepliesMuted 5 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@markwelschmeyer2426
@markwelschmeyer2426 5 жыл бұрын
how dose he still have a job? he is not funny.
@TheCreativeNick
@TheCreativeNick 5 жыл бұрын
The best scene was all of Stan Lee's cameos combined.
@Alphajet101
@Alphajet101 5 жыл бұрын
0:40 Oh my god I just got the biggest editgasm ever. Instantly subbed, liked. Im really hard to please, but creativity like this, I love. Never forget: Quality over Quantity
@enice175
@enice175 5 жыл бұрын
This was amazing and has given me such an appreciation for Marvel and Civil War. Thank you for this video please make more Retrospectives!!!
@matthewlee4834
@matthewlee4834 5 жыл бұрын
How the hell did you manage to talk about Captain America's philosophy without mentioning the Sokovia Accords and his fight for independence from international governments? Seems like a real missed opportunity here
@rebecca4680
@rebecca4680 5 жыл бұрын
Matthew Lee . Soviet Accords?
@matthewlee4834
@matthewlee4834 5 жыл бұрын
@@rebecca4680 good catch
@AJ-ri1jt
@AJ-ri1jt 5 жыл бұрын
I disagree. This scene really has nothing to do with the Accords. When analyzing it, I always see people arguing about the Accords but none of that matters here. Tony was only ever going along with it because he thought it was inevitable ("if we don't do this now, it's going to be done to us later. That won't be pretty" and "Give me a break; I'm doing what has to be done to stave off something worse") and this scene only happens because Tony had already said screw it, I don't care about what the Accords say or what Ross/the government says, I need to help support Steve. That's what he goes to Sam to ask Steve's location about, saying Steve will "need all the help he can get". He even admits he's going behind Ross' back and would have to arrest himself if caught when he meets up with Steve. Ultimately, all Tony wanted was to keep the Avengers together and he didn't care about the Accords much- he goes after Steve and co. at the airport because Ross says he'll kill them for instance. To Tony at least, Steve was acting irrationally but their idealogical differences didn't impact him emotionally, just frustrated him. This scene, the realization that Steve (of all people, because he's usually so honest and is someone Tony trusts) hid the truth about his parents' death, is really what breaks their friendship, not anything to do with their idealogical differences. So any commentary on the freedom v. security debate is irrelevant here. Tony and Steve could have been irritated with each other but still friends who would drop everything to save the other's life if need be had it not been for the reveal. It's super interesting to me that in the end, the Russos crafted a story centered on the Accords debate but it ultimately doesn't matter; the real divide and end of their friendship comes entirely from the fact that Bucky killed Tony's parents, Steve knew, and Tony found out about the lie in the traumatic and shocking way possible. It's why the Accords are a throwaway line in the final letter Steve sends to Tony. The Accords as a whole are as much a misdirect as the Winter Soldier squad.
@AsherLoiacono
@AsherLoiacono 5 жыл бұрын
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@carlscheinemann49
@carlscheinemann49 5 жыл бұрын
This is a great commentary, your organising points were clear and very well defined. I loved that scene as well and all the points you made either made me smile, nod, or they blew my mind. Kudos to you that was awesome 👌
@predspete2625
@predspete2625 5 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video. Thanks for all the work you put into this!
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