Why Civil War Worked and Batman v Superman Failed | One v One

In honor of Marvel's Captain Marvel hitting theaters soon, let's jump back in time and take a closer look at one of the best MCU films to date, Captain America: Civil War, in order to find out what makes it so great. And the best way to see what makes this versus movie work is to compare it with another superhero versus movie that sadly isn't so great, Batman v Superman.
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I heard there's some controversy going around with Brie Larson, and while Captain Marvel isn't the most recognizable comic book hero, we all probably have to see it regardless, since it releases just before Avengers Endgame. Interesting to see how Tony Stark Iron Man and Steve Rogers Captain America will revert Thanos' snap and bring back the fallen heroes from Avengers infinity war. Maybe it has something to do with Ant-Man, who knows. Wonder if we'll see some bigger new MCU villain like Galactus, or if the X-men will factor in in any way. Also, I haven't seen Aquaman yet but will do a vid once it comes out on digital and blu-ray. We'll see what happens with Shazam. I've lost a lot of interest for DC after Justice League but hopefully they can pull me back in, at the very least with Matt Reeves' The Batman.
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Captain America: Civil War
In this superhero epic, the denizens of the Marvel Universe are forced to pick sides when Captain America (Chris Evans) and Iron Man (Robert Downey Jr.) come to blows over ideological differences. After a mission involving a new Avengers squad led by Cap ends with several civilian casualties in Lagos, the team are asked to sign an agreement that would force them to take orders from a United Nations panel. Tony Stark (aka Iron Man) pressures Cap to accept this new arrangement, in part because he feels deeply guilty about his own past recklessness; Captain America, however, fears that the Avengers will only be corrupted by bureaucracy. Their disagreement eventually escalates into all-out war when Cap's old friend Bucky Barnes (Sebastian Stan), now a brainwashed assassin known as the Winter Soldier, reenters the picture. Captain America: Civil War brings back former Avengers characters such as Black Widow (Scarlett Johansson), Hawkeye (Jeremy Renner), Scarlet Witch (Elizabeth Olsen), War Machine (Don Cheadle), Falcon (Anthony Mackie), and Vision (Paul Bettany); it also drags into the fray low-rent superhero Ant-Man (Paul Rudd), and introduces both the powerful African prince Black Panther (Chadwick Boseman) and a new, younger incarnation of Spider-Man (Tom Holland). Cinemasins Aquaman. Everything wrong with aquaman. Aquaman honest trailer. Captain Marvel reaction. Avengers endgame leak. Avengers endgame villain. Avengers endgame new trailer. Directed by Anthony and Joe Russo. Why Infinity War Worked and Justice League failed.
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Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
Batman (Ben Affleck) and Superman (Henry Cavill) clash over differing philosophies about what kind of heroism is needed to protect the world, while the public they're defending is becoming increasingly mindful of the damage that superheroes and masked vigilantes cause. However, the duo are soon forced to confront an even greater threat created by nefarious billionaire Lex Luthor (Jesse Eisenberg). Directed by Zack Snyder, Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice also co-stars Amy Adams as Lois Lane, Jeremy Irons as Alfred the butler, and Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman.
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Justice League
In the wake of Superman's death, Batman (Ben Affleck) and Wonder Woman (Gal Gadot) recruit superpowered individuals to defend humanity from an otherworldly threat called Steppenwolf (Ciarán Hinds). Together with their new allies -- Cyborg (Ray Fisher), Aquaman (Jason Momoa), and the Flash (Ezra Miller) -- they form the superhero team known as the Justice League. Henry Cavill, Amy Adams, Jeremy Irons, Diane Lane, Connie Nielsen, Amber Heard, Joe Morton, and J.K. Simmons co-star. Directed by Zack Snyder.
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[@Filmento]

I make a video on Civil War and it turns into a video on how BvS could've been better. No matter how I try to renounce DC, I guess it will always hold a spot in my heart...

[@where1871]

Filmento civil war was a vastly overrated movie, 6/10 and comparing it to dogshit like BvS is easy, go talk about real films not fucking capeshit

[@j.p.5818]

Filmento everything the villain did in civil war was carried by coincidences. Tony has No arc, his character just magically conforms to the story being told. cheesy jokes deflated the stakes and the end battle was a 2 on 1 cop-out, why not have a real winner in one on one combat after that marketing? Now its ok to have your “favs” but BVS UE is the superior film objectively speaking. Also it’s 3 years later and civil war doesn’t hold up...the cgi is cartoonish Yet BVS looks like Beauty defined to this day.

[@jugendranaorem1234]

BvS was meant to form a team civil war meant to separate a team. I love BvS and i can say WB tried to have it both way we had lex pulling the strings trying to put the heroes against each other and the trinity coming together to stop doomsday. This video was a little off putting most of your issues are all plot points working in the back ground.... especially in the ultimate cut....the martha scene is not meant to be rational batman can't be thinking rationally he is emotionally unstable when it comes to his parents...there are all this storytelling elements playing in the back ground. Yes it could have easily been a better BvS movie if they just focused on the conflict you know you enjoyed Jese's over the top performance and blowing up ms.incredible and standing cynicaly on the top of the tower as both gladiators aproach each other. WB also wanted to do a dawn of justice movie and what i got was an epic trinity movie. What if despite of the title this movie was always meant for the heroes to short out their differences and personal issues and team up to fight aggainst an impersonal eminent threat like these character always do whenever the world's finest meet each other. For making BvS better all i would suggest a little fleshing out of the plot to incorporate more team dynamics and call the movie just dawn of justice....damn it WB you just couldn't resist the title Batman v Superman could you. But marvel's fan can be grateful WB did or they wouldn't have green lit civil war who knows what the state of the MCU would have been then. And this leads to one more point subtly is the key if you are loud and flashy you may face unjust scrutiny...ambition can promise great thing but sometimes promises can be broken. #ReleaseTheSnydercut

[@AceOfPhanatic]

@@j.p.5818 no it wasnt Zemo kidnaps hydra man to get info, it fails So he frames bucky so he will be forced out of hiding so he can ask him for the info Avengers find bucky Zemo impersonates the doctor that was meant to talk to bucky so he can get info The only thing that was convenient Was Ironmam showing up at the end But then again , he knew that the body of the doctor would be found fairly soon and he knew cap would tell tony about him aka the fake doctor triggering bucky

[@j.p.5818]

Austin Lee Lmao 😂😂😂 I guess he sent tony, Bucky, and Steve invitations so they would all show up together and on time to watch his little video. Great plan! Plot hole! Your wasting my time, it’s a horrible story, go watch a good movie.

[@TalkingHands308]

That moment when Iron Man asks Captain America if he knew, and he said yes and you see the look in Stark's eyes.... chills man...

[@siddharth_0771]

This is Marvel, what can u expect? These are emotions

[@Marvelfanatic3658]

@@siddharth_0771 ight

[@sacaz9947]

Marvel is shit

[@janwierzbicki3663]

@@sacaz9947 Shut up nerd

[@AyanT138]

RDJ delivering

[@zombieguy4444]

It’s so weird that some people in Hollywood don’t get that people like fights because of the motivations, not just the action

[@disrupt94]

No, people most assuredly like big shiny fights with little motivation (transformers rake in cash after all). Besides, MCU is guilty of this themselves with their history of badly written villains.

[@fayazhossain2230]

@@disrupt94 shut up Mr idiot

[@MrWinnfield]

Yeah just like it was in BvS

[@gorkemaykut5230]

by no means marvel is perfect, it's the overall tone and quality that makes it what it is.

[@whoasked8771]

Yes

[@rafif5122]

watching civil war: Please dont fight :'( watching BvS: FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

[@N0URii]

good one

[@rigatonipasta]

That's kind of how the movie was marketed yeah

[@prmore5872]

@@N0URii facts

[@rick5219]

Exactlyyyyy

[@drtirthadas]

but in bvs they still don't fight like the fight only last 8 minutes which is just sad

[@yzerman123]

Even in Avengers 1 and 2, Tony and Cap had arguments that planted the seeds for future tensions in their relationship. Marvel had a long-term plan.

[@RussyPopDnD]

What makes this video so brilliant is the way you don't just trash on BvS, you actually suggest ways the movie could have been improved. Excellent, excellent job

[@WorthlessDeadEnd]

Yes. You can tell that he's not merely a Marvel fanboy; he's logically explaining _why_ BvS was shit, and why Civil War worked.

[@3Rayfire]

My favorite part. If he had written (or even just script doctored...QA'd it) BvS we'd have something worth watching.

[@NocturneHG25]

good point

[@DivvayKhatri]

Until you realise the movie was story driven and what the characters were taken from their darkest comic counterparts. And also it turns out to be one of the darkest movies of all time when you realise that sups was facing backlash and it was impossible for him to be all jolly and optimistic. Further destroying a character trait was batman killing. He had gone so far into madness that his identity as Bruce Wayne was turned into a mask which he used to infiltrate places where Batman can't. That's fucked up. He doesn't even care about anything anymore. He dreams about either world ending events or his parents' death. That's even more fucked up. If bvs story isn't fucked up and mind blowing in itself then i dont know what is .

[@paddylong3]

Divvay Khatri bvs just wasn’t executed well at all, a massive let down. I’m a DC fan as well as a marvel fan, but bvs just didn’t sit well with me, it was a really unsatisfying movie

[@vc6444]

Civil war - They were friends who fought each other. BvS - They weren't friends who fought each other.

[@siddharth_0771]

Civil War : Their mother's names were not same that's why they fought. BvS : Their mother's names were same that's why they became friends.

[@sarthaknavale3135]

@@siddharth_0771 BvS: Superman's mom had the same name AND she was a human hence bringing back Bruce to his senses that he was going to kill a mother's son.

[@siddharth_0771]

@@sarthaknavale3135 but why he said 'Martha' he should have said save my mother.

[@sai8098]

@The Predator Superman doesn't know Batman's mother's name is Martha. Batman doesn't know Superman's mother's name is Martha. Why the fuck would he say "Save Martha?" Batman has no clue who Superman's Martha is, and Superman has no clue who Batman's Martha is. Like it would have KIND of made sense if he said "Save my mother Martha" or something like that but no, just "Save Martha"

[@sai8098]

​@The Predator Oh my god you took literally everything I said out of context. Batman had no clue who Superman's Martha was until he said "Save Martha," if Batman's mother's name wasn't Martha, Superman probably would have died. And Superman had no way of knowing Batman's mom's name, he just kind of said it and got lucky.

[@pichchoco7866]

It’s hurt to see Steve and Tony fight no matter how many times I watched it...

[@eggheadcobra]

Indeed. It hurts because those are two characters knew each other for years, so seeing them fight each other was saddening. Whereas Batman and Superman's fight didn't leave an emotional impact because they didn't have a personal connection like Tony and Steve did.

[@pichchoco7866]

Yes... Steve was not just a friend...he the person Tony put his trust in... because of how his father always spoke about Steve and admired him...when Steve revealed that he knew that Bucky killed Tony’s parents ... it’s tear me apart because of how much of an impact to Tony... this movie is such a great manipulation that I can’t choose who I’m gonna stand with... beside watching them tear each other apart... IMO , the best villain so far even greater than thanos...

[@ft.jackjimmy7282]

Cause we audience side with both of them. It makes sense that Steve hide this fact because he wants to spare Tony’s feelings and protect Bucky. It also makes sense that Tony attacked Bucky out of rage even though he knows Bucky was being mind controlled because Tony felt betrayed by someone his father praised and helped sort of create. In the end we did see Steve apologize to Tony and Tony did let Steve break out their friends from prison, I like to see that scene as Tony forgiving Steve. Tony didn’t ask for Steve to return to Avengers but he repaired the shield anyway not knowing if he’ll ever return and now I’m sad.

[@thedevilwearsconverse967]

True shit, i can rewatch any MCU movies except that one😔

[@dustman-0k]

I guess, Zemo is the best villain that could made Steve and Tony clashing each other.

[@orphieorphs2485]

Marvel: "i dont care...he killed my mom" Dc: "save my martha"..

[@chaficchbaro4599]

😐

[@BloxTheMvp]

@@chaficchbaro4599 ur mom

[@renujha6373]

Marvel : nahhh

[@Gerarudo]

Bruh

[@friedmiracle9960]

Y'all still don't get that line🤦🏽‍♂️

[@puns-here]

"Don't bullsh*t me Rogers, did you know?" "Yes" This was enough

[@Marvelfanatic3658]

Enough of what?

[@MuhammadIchsanSebastian]

@@Marvelfanatic3658 emough to be better for plot writing then BvS

[@Adam89111]

@@Marvelfanatic3658 My god how are you? is been too long since we met

[@puns-here]

@Drey's Games yeah, tremendously good

[@demyanrudenko]

@Drey's Games well, it is RDJ after all.

[@TheGamer2323]

One was rushed, one was a huge build up of multiple projects

[@Spenced86]

ok

[@chrislopez5301]

TheGamer2323 that isnt true at all ur dumb asf civil war was not a huge build up lmfao

[@chrislopez5301]

TheGamer2323 what build up the mini disagreement in age of ultron then into civil war yea big build up lmao

[@alexalexander1749]

Christian Lopez they refer back to avengers, avengers 2, cap 2 tragedy.. how is that is not a buildup?

[@alexalexander1749]

Christian Lopez it give impacts to audiences because we know what happen before, how much they have change, we can feel the characters

[@420sakura1]

Motivation is the main difference. Captain and Tony were right in their own sense. We saw both their characters and personality in their own movies. Barman trying to kill Sups because....plot.

[@jmrggrmj9330]

K 9 Poodle Barman tried to kill sups because he didn’t payed the tab.

[@SlapshotStudios]

K 9 Poodle Batman wanted to kill Superman because Superman took wonder women away from Batman

[@AuroraBorealis170]

tbh i still side with Cap i know Iron Man has his motivation and what Yinsen said but i feel like in the long run the Sokovia Accords would've been detrimental for the Avengers

[@powerofanime1]

@@AuroraBorealis170 Same. I was with Iron Man everywhere before and after Civil War, but not during it.

[@orphieorphs2485]

Yea barman...drinks a lot

[@ridwanali6901]

Marvel: Bucky's alive, stops fighting Dc: Our moms have the same name stops fighting

[@damianwayne3000]

Lmao

[@jockeyfield1954]

that scene could've worked a lot better if batman never killed in that movie if he never killed, then he would try to justify to himself that superman isn't human, that superman is just an alien that wants to destroy earth, but when clark finally says "Save Martha" batman then realizes who he is trying to kill: another man with a mom, with a family, with a girlfriend. bruce then realizes what he's about to do and stops, realizing that whether alien or man, they both have a life with people who care for them but, in the movie, batman kills people with machine guns and then stops trying to kill superman because "holy crap, our moms have the same name"

[@I3asyl]

@@jockeyfield1954 I completely disagree. Please look up "why you're wrong about batman v Superman" series. I'm telling you it'll change your mind about the movie. Everything in this video is still correct BVS is VERY impersonal. But because it's so impersonal it's so misunderstood. This is because the writer doesn't just force the story on to you. And ppl, like me, bogged down in the wow mom's have same name just continue to hate the film. I implore you to plz watch the vid explaining the decision behind Martha and get back to me.

[@dudescrawny5859]

@@jockeyfield1954 HiTop films?

[@ashoneth]

they don't stop fighting. he confuses him and beats him.

[@jovanchakraborty7384]

You know you screwed up when a LEGO parody of your character ends up as a better movie than yours.

[@perhapsahigherbeing288]

Really?

[@bluefiremarkii]

@@perhapsahigherbeing288 lego batman

[@control4050]

That's the stupidest shit I've ever heard. Understandable coming from a guy named chakraborty.

[@autobotstarscream765]

@@control4050 LEGO Batman actually has a proper character arc in his movies, so...

[@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868]

@@autobotstarscream765 yeah but Batman in BvS still had a strong motivation, everyone just turned off their brains when they got to Martha and just didnt think about how that was literally batman's entire worst fears coming to life, and it's also humanizing this person who he didnt see as human

[@svisuals4932]

"He's my friend" "So was I" *This exchange alone tho*

[@savageshot3723]

That hit me so deep... I was fucking heart broken. That bromance moment is legendary

[@monotromatic2951]

that still hits deep

[@aaronmueller1560]

Also the exchange: “Killing him isn’t going to change what happened.” “I don’t care. He killed my mom.” So much raw human emotion, and such a switch up from the standard trope of using ‘It won’t change anything’ as an argument. It’s just immediately shut down with such strong emotion. It hits hard.

[@WillWright-lx4hf]

“I don’t care, he killed my mom”.

[@loudboy317]

Cap: He's my friend. Iron Man: So was I. Me: Since when?

[@JJchi834]

there's no way DC can top Marvel after Endgame, even Marvel can't top itself now

[@biguy617]

DC maybe able to top the solo movies but not the team up films. Justice League was garbage. Shazam was an excellent movie though

[@wallsterrence]

@@biguy617 shazam was really good

[@alucardhellsing9780]

Shazam was OK movie like Captain Marvel

[@Thisismyhandle221]

@@biguy617 I hated the 3rd act of shazam. Aquaman was a better movie overall in my opinion.

[@biguy617]

Velglow Shazam had the better character arc and villain. Shazam did not kill a villain's father for that villain to have motivation to go after him. The Shazam family was awesome. That is why it is a better movie.

[@maxhocks2006]

Civil war: the tragic story of a friend ship falling apart because of hut feelings, betrayal and lies. Batman v Superman: a bald man told me to kill you. And you may one day be a threat, possibly, maybe.

[@siddharth_0771]

"Vengeance has consumed you, its consuming them" that's we called a writing.

[@ChoperJoJo]

By that logic i could say civil war: a man hating a friend's friend 'cause he killed his parents under brainwashing effect.

[@siddharth_0771]

@@ChoperJoJo no. A man wants revenge from avengers bcoz his family died bcoz of them.

[@ChoperJoJo]

@@siddharth_0771 he wants to kill a guy who wasn't in control of himself. That sounds stupid and childish to me

[@siddharth_0771]

@@ChoperJoJo lol I am talking about Zemo. Also how would Tony would spare Bucky, he was angry af. If he had done like "Oh u were under control of hydra, I will spare you although u killed my parents which I spent my childhood thinking they died in accident" this will sound stupid.

[@Amadeus_A]

DC: You still haven't made a better movie than The Dark Knight Marvel: Neither have you

[@adrianstjarnfaldt395]

lol true but the dark knight has story the fights isnt very good at all and from me that pushes down the movie heath dosent have to mutch screen time pushes the movie down more BUT STILL IT ISSSS A FUCKING MASTERRPEACE

[@jazz2827]

Marvel now : We don't bother with DC anymore , haha!! Busy topping ourselves

[@deleted1048]

AmadeusA endgame is what u call the perfect movie it had great story telling it made u feel nostalgic, excited,sad, energetic it made u get goosebumps and overall it had the best ending

[@fbryn0688]

Deleted it’s still not better then the dark knight. And btw infinity war was better

[@marvelousmeyer48]

@@fbryn0688 You're saying that in the objective sense but that's really just your opinion. not a bad opinion but just let people like what they like

[@Circleglide]

I personally love seeing villains VS villains, because you never know who is going to win and its harder to choose which one you are going to root for

[@strigers8007]

"What's worse than having to choose between two evils?"

[@gorkemaykut5230]

Could you recommend something like that

[@rosestar1324]

I’ve never seen a movie or show like that. Does one even exist?

[@Circleglide]

@@rosestar1324 There is Anime for that matter

[@mrvengeance7825]

Freddy VS Jason your welcome :)

[@p4hagen197]

What if superman caught the joker, but didn't kill him. When joker escapes, he kills Robin, causing batman the blame superman.

[@LetThatStuffGo]

Yes. Would so see that. As long as Robin is not Dick Grayson. 😕

[@l8teraligator618]

That would work so good to the audience

[@pesciisthebestcharacter5100]

And Robin could be Jason Todd

[@TaysanGalovu]

Why the hell would Superman kill Joker? If Batman thinks Joker is so dangerous, he can kill him himself.

[@Crystal_Apple]

Exactly what I was thinking lol

[@mylgardose]

Zack Snyder: Batman never killed them, he just stunned them. Stunned them into pieces.

[@iamgroot2810]

I grieved Groot's death in GOTG1 a lot more than Superman's death.

[@EL-bo7kj]

I grieved that one ant's death in Ant Man more than Superman's. Edit: Honestly I was just talking about any ant in that movie but since ANThony is so beloved, Rest In Peace ANThony, we will never forget you!

[@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros4419]

@@EL-bo7kj Respect ANThony!!! (*triggered*)

[@shoutmondx8740]

@@EL-bo7kj You Mean ANTony yeah I miss him

[@Ghostinasuit]

Shoutmon DX Such a strong ant. F

[@shoutmondx8740]

@@Ghostinasuit Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[@RajeshJustaguy]

I think a big factor is also likeability... Most of the Marvel Characters have their own movie that builds up the character and you see their funny sides. That makes them more relatable. If anything harmful or serious happened to them, we as veiwers would also feel something. Superman's character is almost non existant. He's always brooding and too serious / angry or emotionless. And when that person dies, you dont feel it. Batmans is also another serious brooding one. Combine the two and you get one boring broodfest.

[@simplyawful543]

That's DC for ya

[@danielkeller5424]

That's because he was just learning about humanity and their ways. Having Batman there to kill him for the city's destruction is not the reason all. If everyone wasn't so blind, later on they would have found out that Zack was planning on making him into the version of Superman that all you perfecto happy go lucky Superman fans want. Instead of complaining and saying oh it's so dark. You can't always get what I want. There are different versions of Superman as well. Not all of them are smiles and lighthearted.

[@cbowman8518]

Hold up Clark Kent, the boy next door from middle of nowhere Kansas raised on a farm all his life by two humans is "just learning about humanity" now? I'm sorry, did Snyder have a couple of penguins in the sewers of Gotham raise this boy or something. Superman's been growing up with and around humans literally his entire life. His entire character is summed up with a good natured farm boy crossed with the perfect being. Granted Snyder apparently forgot that the Superman is supposed to be a superman in heart and mind as well and this edged out angst fest in tights couldn't comfort a scared or sad child if they were surrounded by a field of puppies. If this had all been a big setup for Injustice I honestly wouldn't have been surprised.

[@fatezero8662]

Wtf are you talking about, Man of Steel already did that for fuck sake. Then all of a sudden he becomes brooding and emo in BVS, sure maybe it's the trauma of killing Zod and countless lives that he wasn't aware of while fighting but then this just shows you how robotic of character Snyder made Supes.

[@fatezero8662]

Plus superman is symbol of hope, he is of pure heart and optimism no matter what especially the powers he has. But what BVS presented is like him having turned into some kind of a god which is so wrong in so many ways.

[@pichchoco7866]

DC’s fans [ after Aquaman ] : I am inevitable... MCU’s fans [ after End game ] : I am Iron man....

[@gnuhgnauqneyugn]

Yes, now you need more likes :)

[@vietnamd0820]

Pich Choco Love it!

[@Bahamoot]

Lol the only other Marvel movies that’ll do good for a while are Spider Man. The new X-men movie coming out on June 7 looks like absolute shit

[@oscarmccormack1611]

@@Bahamoot **sigh** You know he means MCU. Your snide remarks add nothing except force people like me who give you the benefit of the doubt, and try and treat you like a human, and correct you.

[@Bahamoot]

Oscar McCormack that reply came out of nowhere, what do you mean? I was stating that Pheonix, the new Marvel movie, looked fairly bad.

[@alecchristiaen4856]

it seems that all the failing dc movies don't see that a bombastic final fight isn't winning the crowd. in civil war, the argument between cap and tony (the one where tony callls wanda a wmd) is a quiet moment, and it's not the only one. in between action scenes (police escape, airport, soviet base), they put these quiet moments where we can get emotionally invested in the struggle. by the time tony decides bucky has to die, we as the audience understand this reaction, and the emotional climax runs in sync with the action. when tony states that cap doesn't deserve his shield (because the maker was killed by the person he's defending with it), he drops it. this is heavy stuff, because the shield symbolizes so much about cap (before the shield, he was a dancing monkey for propaganda, before that he was a sick weakling). he's willing to throw all that away because he cares about bucky, and he'd rather be a fugitive than lose his friend.

[@moxyblackfiddler]

Cap dropped the shield because he knew he wasn't worthy of the shield. Also, he had become a fugitive of his own country. In other words. Nomad

[@siddharth_0771]

This is called a writing 🔥🔥

[@disrupt94]

To bad that the MCU ultimately can't make a movie about an ideological rift like Civil war was in the comics. Tony abandons his own ideology halfway through the movie, and he never brings up the need for having an authority controlling the avengers again. It's just dropped. Tony does not fight out of ideological reasons in the comic, he just wants revenge against Bucky. A cliche you-killed-my-parents storyline instead of a ideological conflict. That is the level that the Russo brothers write at.

[@cainyourkids]

​@@disrupt94 Eh, I'm kinda glad they didn't. The comic version of Civil War was good as an idea but was executed terribly. It started off well with two sides pushing on the passing of the Superhuman Registration Act, but as the story went on and on, Tony's ideology shifted from 'having oversight on superhuman/meta individuals' right into 'suspension of habeas corpus, and arrest without trial'. It had the opportunity to view 2 negating perspectives on heroes as a whole, but instead of the grey-on-grey moral conflict (meaning both sides would have reason to be supported), it just went black and white when Maria Hill (who was on Tony's side/Pro-Registration) started arresting Steve and other enhanced individuals without warrants (and the fact that the Registration Act wasn't even passed yet at the time). Not to mention, Tony hiring publicly declared villains to ground and arrest those on Steve's side. Yeah, it did start off as an ideological conflict that would have provided reasonable debate, but as the story progressed up to Steve's death, Tony went from a reasonable pro-Registration Act figure, and straight up fascist (especially when he flat out told Spiderman that everyone who didn't register did not have rights, not even to a lawyer). The MCU version was scaled down, and when you compare it to the comics, it does feel a lot restrained because we only see it from the Avengers (whereas the comic version had the Fantastic Four, the X-Men, the Defenders, cosmic organizations like the Carol Corps, the Imperial Guard, etc.). However, I did like how the MCU version had me torn on who to support: I understood Tony, and I also sympathized with Steve's cause. By the time the movie ended, I couldn't say who was right, but I can definitely say that neither was wrong. The comic storyline? Not so much. It was either martyred Steve Rogers, or Nazi-lite Tony Stark. One was good, the other clearly in the wrong. I will say, though - I agree with your take on Tony. It felt as if the whole conflict for an overarching, overseeing authority on metas was kinda forgotten. I hear that it will be a plot point in The Winter Soldier & Falcon show though - since both characters are associated with SWORD, and maybe to an extent, WandaVision as well?

[@disrupt94]

@@cainyourkids " but instead of the grey-on-grey moral conflict (meaning both sides would have reason to be supported), it just went black and white when Maria Hill (who was on Tony's side/Pro-Registration) started arresting Steve and other enhanced individuals without warrants (and the fact that the Registration Act wasn't even passed yet at the time). Not to mention, Tony hiring publicly declared villains to ground and arrest those on Steve's side." Using the wrong methods for a noble cause really only makes Tony a tragic anti-hero. Flawed individuals can snap under pressure. I agree that it's not perfect, but it was a fight where you were allowed to ask yourself who is right between two ideological standpoints, controll vs freedom. Extreme methods on one part does not mean that it's 100% black and white. Tony did not want Spiderman hurt. Tony wanted to talk the conflict out when Captain America attacks him (atleast that is how Tony woudl view it). It's not as black as white as you suggest. " Tony hiring publicly declared villains" Cap and Co ARE public villains. Perhaps even more so in the movie where Cap sides with Bucky who really could be a double-agent by Hydra for all Steve knows. in the comic, Cap kicks Punisher out for killing two villains about the join Caps team if I remember correctly. Thing is, the Russo brothers could have written a Tony that was more gentle in his methods, and the conclict could still be ideological. They had the perfect arc for it, and they dropped it in favor of generic paste that makes Tony look like an absolute bellend regardless. He has faced mind-controll in two movies allready. Wanda is on his freaking team. It makes no sense for Tony to be mad long term, but not bring the conflict up again once He and Cap reunites. Cap about to kill his old friend and let's himself be arrested because he realizes how much blood and horror their rift has caused, that's an emotional climax far beyond them breaking up but Steve writes a cute little Letter and they unite without real problems against Thanos.

[@tristensanders7194]

DC just thinks that because they have some of the most popular characters ever fans will instantly love the movie

[@loudboy317]

Meanwhile, none of the Marvel characters (outside of X-men, Spider-Man, and Hulk) were that popular to begin with but somehow, people love their movies.

[@trueflash4696]

When did they say that stupid

[@jtcob8486]

@@trueflash4696 r/whoooooosh

[@jamesmagwenzi6058]

When did they say that? Just curious?

[@patrickmahomes3616]

@@jamesmagwenzi6058 they don't really need to say it...

[@majumder456]

I mean they coulda killed Alfred or Lucius Fox in the opening scene but instead they killed....Jack. Who’s Jack?

[@pieinyourfacestreax5138]

Jack must've really needed that overtime, huh? (Theory: could it be Jack Ryder?)

[@MatheMachtSpaß]

Jack? It's CAPTAIN Jack.

[@UTU49]

Jack Spratt could eat no fat, His wife could eat no lean... Jack and Jill went up the hill, To fetch a pale of water... Jack be nimble, Jack be quick, Jack jumped over the candlestick. That poor Jack, he burnt his dick.

[@marving.5436]

Yep for all the thousands of People got Killed that Day he only cared about Jack...

[@chrislopez5301]

AJ to the M the same can be said for the random civilians who got hurt in that building in civil war so whats ur point

[@sebastianaruizserrano8191]

I USED to be a die-hard DC fan, then came BvS, JL and Infinity War... DC was no longer defensible, especially after Supes, Batman and Cyborg left. Thanos snapped my DC identity.

[@mad3237]

Waterman is decent though 👍

[@potmeetkettle]

@cinnamon mad Yeah, H2Oguy is cool. 10/10

[@fatezero8662]

Shazam was cool too. They went a little overboard with the corniness but it's a definitely a good film.

[@420sakura1]

Aquaman, Shazam, Wonder Woman are getting on track. Now that MCU is over... kinda. They have a new lease on life.

[@bobsemple9281]

@@420sakura1 MCU isn't finished just avengers and stone story arc finished

[@Neverinfamous27]

DCEU FANS : We have Superman and Shazam MCU FANS: We have a Kevin Feige.

[@Imari-Tard]

We got the Russo's

[@v8du]

Karthik Sandeep we have a hulk

[@theon3pieceisreal]

Karthik Sandeep we have robert downey jr

[@kongassets]

We had Stan the man cameo in your movie

[@Neverinfamous27]

@@kongassets dceu fan? yeah i watched teen titans go movie. its just that zack snyder killed the dceu , shazam is basically a soft reboot for the extended universe

[@renujha6373]

Dc: fight me marvel!! Marvel : nahh, too busy topping myself

[@MorganLeodeMenezes]

Yeah Correct 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@hioman]

"Plant yourself like a tree and say I AM, GROOOOOOOT"

[@ez6987]

I'm your 69th like ;)

[@lyssamalloy5162]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@sawyerprescott9650]

Zeke Manuel I’m the 169th like

[@iron2684]

This made me laugh so hard 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jonathanschaffer2594]

This needs more likes

[@ShirDeutch]

No personal loss for Batman? Are you forgetting about Jack, Bruce Wayne's... employee, who is... important to him, because he, err, works in the building and needs the CEO of the company to personally call him to tell him to evacuate the building when the city is being destroyed? Come on, Jack! He's from the comics, right? Okay fine he's not from the comics but so what? He's still super important!

[@dasik84]

I love this comment. :D

[@user-tt5hz8hm5l]

What about Fred tha janitor who serves umm cofee to jacl everyday bruce cares about fred too ummm he died too i gues ummm..

[@SaulOhio]

Make it Lucius Fox that dies when the Wayne Industries building collapses, and then you have something personal.

[@banananarwhals2016]

And Superman had some too- Jimmy Olsen took a massive emotional toll on Superman, being his best friend at all. You know, they built up their friendship soooo much in the movie.

[@matthewheywood8532]

Banana Narwhals you mean the jimmy Olsen Superman shockingly didn’t even bother to save

[@kstelakis]

the one thing that ruins most DCEU battles for me is that everyone is too strong. 1punch and the enemy is now 5 blocks away and it becomes who can punch harder and a cgi camera flying with them. In marvel there is hand to hand combat and people using the enviroment likebucky pinning tony on the wall to rip out the reactor. the one fight I enjoyed a lot in BvS was batman figinh the villians in the small house because it was grounded with hand to hand combat. maybe making half your characters be able to punch through everything wasnt a good idea after all

[@panjar9634]

I strongly agree with you

[@karaltar7914]

It’s like anime but bad

[@Violent_Mitch]

Nah disgaree, that's what I like about DC. DC has both anyways. Godly beings duking it out can be entertaining af.

[@p3chv0gel22]

@@Violent_Mitch i'd kinda agree with you. It can really be fun. But to be honest, the fight scenes in most of the DCEU movies felt a bit boring/slow to me compared to for example the fight between Cap Tony and. Bucky in civil war. But Personal taste doesn't make anything objectively better, so yeah

[@tuksumkaiz]

"you wouldn't normally tell your super nice chemistry teacher to go eff her self but if you just been to the theatre to see Justice league for the first time you might" XD *Subscribes

[@JohnCottier]

Hands down the best line in the video.

[@seen5390]

You're forgetting the best versus movie: *Monsters Vs Aliens*

[@weasel4674]

Zean Sam childhood

[@vladimiradidas1945]

The childhood memories just hit me like a truck just thinking about it. *its beautiful*

[@JTZombiE]

OOOH THE MEMORIES

[@JTZombiE]

@@vladimiradidas1945 me too

[@Steezy_Malone]

Zean Sam 😂😂😂😂😂

[@TatoISR]

Honestly though, all the “you DC hater” trolls need to back off. If he hated DC, he wouldn’t have basically given them the instruction manual on how to succeed at their movies. Think about it.

[@yaboiakira929]

yeah fanbois don't have the brain capacity for it pal

[@navy0287]

That was a heroic effort, but if they were capable of using critical thinking, and not relying on confirmation bias to form their opinions, they wouldn't be fanboys.

[@matianuclaudiu3201]

Dc makes better games comics and animated movies all marvel has is movies and this guy only talks about them like they are the only important thing

[@TatoISR]

Matianu Claudiu I beg to differ. Yeah, DC has better games and comics and whatever, but he’s not a game reviewing channel or a comic book reviewing channel. He’s a movie channel. So that’s why he talks about *M O V I E S*

[@TatoISR]

Toxic Anoxic tru

[@bennovanniekerk6929]

Problem is if bat v superman was personal, superman wouldn’t hold back and batman wouldn’t last 3 seconds

[@JessieShadowhold]

Counter point: if the personal and underlying conflict is batman wants to kill and Sup's doesn't, then it is reasonable (to me at least) that Superman would still hold back just long enough for Batman to gain the upper hand. Read the Dark Knight Returns and I think you get a good idea of the only way batman could win. And honestly, watching Superman win wouldn't be entertaining because he is so powerful. Half the entertainment of a BvS fight is seeing a man take down a god.

[@bennovanniekerk6929]

Tait Washburn I’m team batman all the way 😂 superman is just broken. You make a great point.

[@Darkkent83]

@@bennovanniekerk6929 hmm Batman is just broken but he's human so it doesn't make sense, and that's y Batman sucks. Batman has more skills than SUPERMAN, write a list and see for yourself.

[@blueberryblues5644]

DarkKent Of course Batman is more skilled than Superman?? Obviously he is. He worked to be who he is, while Superman was just born powerful. Were you trying not to make any sense?

[@Darkkent83]

@@blueberryblues5644 omg my point was skills vs powers dude Batman has more skills and does more things than SUPERMAN has powers! That makes no sense and no human in a typical lifetime can amass the amount of skills that Batman has that's why he's stupid. Batman c*#k suckers don't like Superman because of his powers and yet don't mind a human doing more

[@supersaiyanfox9190]

Even if BvS followed Civil War, it wouldn’t work as well as Marvel’s movie because we have spent so much time on Steve and Tony and their relationship, but we’ve only spent one movie with Clark and Bruce together.

[@arrogant1996]

Ultra Instinct God they didn’t even give Batman a movie by himself first they just threw him in with pretty much a man of steel sequel damn near

[@souvikbose8583]

Exactly...They had so much time to develop as characters..DJ just rust it by watching marvel start a universe

[@arrogant1996]

AgénT there’s a lot of Batman movies but only 1 origin movie....live action speaking and even so that shouldn’t mean anything look at the Spider-Man movies

[@arrogant1996]

Plus it doesn’t have to be an origin movie just a movie to give us time to get use to the DCEU’s Batman.

[@arrogant1996]

AgénT no it’s not cause Spider-Man was the character that we were supposed to be invested with in that movie which is why he has little screen time and I said it doesn’t have to be an origin movie just a movie to be invested in Batman as a character in the DCEU

[@saadatkamal8110]

Petition to make this dude director of the DCEU

[@vietnamd0820]

Electronic Ninja His BVS would’ve been one of my favorite DC flicks

[@no-ko1mj]

no.

[@justsomeguywithaquestionab3175]

@@no-ko1mj yes

[@jonneveenstra4993]

Yeah let's make the guy director who doesn't know batman doesn't kill

[@DivvayKhatri]

Petition to bring Zack back to the dceu

[@ezioblazesit9017]

"Nothing wrong with DC" Justice League: *exists*

[@e65666]

Suicide squad : *exists* Batman v superman : *exists*

[@DivvayKhatri]

@@Bryan-bd5kc lmao no . The story of bvs is written in a way that it becomes the reason for jl to come together. And it's a much better movie than it gets credit for

[@megumareta6361]

@@DivvayKhatri if they had the patience to introduce us to Aquaman, the Flash, and Cyborg. Jl wouldve been fine for me. But i guess WB really doesnt have the patience to do that

[@TrevorXStrydeR]

@@megumareta6361 DC couldn't wait because Marvel are literally ahead of them in storytelling. So, they just go with it. The difference between civil war against BvS was Tony & Steve knows each other. So their conflicts gets personal. While in BvS, Clark & Bruce doesn't know eachother. So their fight are not motivated against anything. For me, superman motivation are shallow. He regretted that he kills Zod while when he still alive everything around him dies? That is called warped sense of justice.

[@chocolate043100]

@@DivvayKhatri Nah, to sum it up, in CW, Tony and Steve have a real conflict, and in bvs, it was all just bullshit

[@jdpragmatic8644]

Here’s a crazy idea: What if Lex Luther fabricated evidence to make it look like Batman kidnapped Clark’s mom

[@katewalker1670]

and that's a genius idea

[@pleasesignintowatchthisvid6724]

woah

[@user-ux1ll3tw9l]

yes that would work, but unfortunately it's still an impersonal conflict. It would still work as a movie but not as better as Civil War did...

[@giftqueens8087]

Then the fight would be 3sec😂Superman will rip his brain....he would make a monologue first 😂

[@debadityabhowmik6533]

You think superman is a trump supporter or something? Believing everything?

[@TheHaakonmelien]

Simple answer: Filmento should be a film consult on how to make and write good movies

[@FIFATALITYx]

Bruh the bvs you described actually sounds dope 😂😂

[@MKultraInstinct]

I’m a Marvel stan who would watch the shit out of that, I still enjoyed BVS for what it was 🤷‍♂️😂

[@obedulloa6219]

The animated film "Batman: The Dark Knight Returns" is a lot like what he described

[@dhiobokobokk9375]

You can tell the Vs movie is so good when the fans itself fighting each other defending #teamstark or #teamcap , seriously, even the fans has a personal opinion online

[@joyeuse8524]

Not to say much but, I was in team cap for both the movie and the comic

[@N0URii]

right??

[@badanzlordofchromosomes823]

@@joyeuse8524 that's not a hard choice, Tony was a real douchbag in the comics

[@05r41]

@@badanzlordofchromosomes823 and the movie

[@redicity5884]

@@05r41 comics yes. Movie no.

[@BadassBobY]

The Real Reason Behind Marvel's Success is that they have Lights, and DC Has Dim Lights

[@xagerussia9687]

Exactly it's too dark literally

[@katie-mz6si]

some say it's to cover up their "random cgi monstrosities" lmao

[@protorhinocerator142]

This all started with the original Michael Keaton Batman. It was always at night, raining, etc. Before that we had 4 Superman movies. They were in the day time, brightly lit, hopeful, etc. Batman was trying to copy Blade Runner, and the DCEU kept that dark theme. Nobody likes it. Also the darker, muted color scheme for hero costumes. Why? One of the few things BvS did right was how they introduced elements of humor into the movie. This was desperately missing from previous efforts. Wonder Woman and Justice League had a few more light-hearted moments but not enough. It wasn't until Shazam that they found a good balance between humor and the deadly seriousness of the threats. Marvel established the right balance of humor way back in the original Iron Man. It just worked. The robot spraying Tony with fire retardant while he was testing the boots, the proof that Tony Stark has a heart, Pepper throwing Tony's date out of the mansion, Jarvis being snarky with the color scheme, and Stane's rant about Tony making an arc reactor in a cave with spare parts. Those were all comedic gold. They worked. Then there was the seriousness. The original attack. Stane's betrayal, next betrayal, and next betrayal. The entirety of the cave scenes. The de-icing problem. The terrorists acquiring Stark Tech. The big reveal when Pepper downloaded Stane's files. Very grim stuff. All life-and-death. But then it also had those "wow" moments, like when Tony first got the suit flying right, that look in his eyes when he was making the Mark 1 in the cave, that same look again when he knew he had to go stop the terrorists, Iron Man blowing up that tank and walking away like a boss, and of course that final "I am Iron Man" moment. In the comics he NEVER would have revealed his secret identity, but they had so carefully crafted his ego that it would be impossible for him to retain a secret identity. This was the "subversion of expectations" done right. It worked. it fit his personality perfectly. All of these formed the core blueprint for other Marvel movies. Newer movies might tweak the formula a bit but they all had their seriousness, their humor (often gallows humor), and their wow moments. And of course the best yet was Infinity War. It had the deadly seriousness of Thanos killing everyone, humor for nearly every character except maybe Wanda. Even the super-stoic Black Panther had that "get this man a shield" moment. But then it also had some of the best wow moments ever as well. Steve Rogers showing up, the awesome intro scene of the Guardians flying through space, Thanos' trickery at Knowhere, Nebula being tortured, Wanda using TK to wipe out those deadly blades, and of course Thor's arrival at Wakanda. All to be topped of with the Snap. Wow, just wow. BvS and Justice League never came close to this tier of complete mastery of comic book adaptation. Oh yeah, darkness. That's right. DCEU is way too dark, visually.

[@user-lw3rw4ol7n]

@@protorhinocerator142 I think the reason is WB. All of their movies are like this only.

[@MrWinnfield]

The real reason of Marvels success is that they make movies for children.

[@donovanstewart698]

I just dislike these versions of the characters. I hate how Batman recklessly kills, and how Superman is just a Jesus allegory

[@wapinschawyams8532]

Read Frank Miller's run of Batman for a little more understanding if you haven't.

[@p3chv0gel22]

To be fair, Superman was always used as a sort of "perfect figure" in the comics

[@tyrkun1624]

@@wapinschawyams8532 Don't remind me. I still have a bad taste from All Star Batman and Robin

[@donovanstewart698]

Parvika Singh I’m a big fan of the comics, and I just feel like he gets the core of the character wrong. I feel like watchmen was ok, it’s just that with watchmen, you only really have to read the one book, meanwhile with Batman, you can’t just read the dark knight returns and expect to get the character

[@donovanstewart698]

Jahtoven EXACTLY! THANK YOU

[@UsernameGeri]

For a universe called *Detective Comics* , there's not much detective stuff in it.

[@hithere7626]

@@TStamp-lw4ku In the movie there isn't

[@TStamp-lw4ku]

Teh finest moosic but the company name comes from the comics

[@SonofSethoitae]

There is in the comics. The movies prefer the angsty my-parents-are-dead character stuff and the ninja gadget fighting to the detective stuff. For basically no reason, I might add; TAS did plenty of detective work-heavy episodes, and they were great.

[@chrislopez5301]

SonofSethoitae man u really dont know what angsty means lmao

[@chrislopez5301]

SonofSethoitae and is ur dumbass tryna say the comics dont dive in to batmans mind of his moral ambiguity and why he does what does bcuz of his dead parents if u dont shut ur dumbass up lol

[@illiacartoons7499]

“Batman” and “kills criminals” is not something I can imagine in the same sentence

[@flower_girl4983]

Biggest difference: DC: shows typically stereotypes of men: men don't cry, men don't show emotions, men don't back down. Marvel: real men r complicated, they r soft on the is inside but hard on the outside.

[@peekol]

Wxactly, im a man andnthose stereotypes are absolutely incorrect

[@sertanki1472]

In otherwords marvle understands charecter depth. What a revolutionary concept

[@DivvayKhatri]

Lmao what the fuck Bruce was constantly in pain and you're too stupid to see it. He's suffering constantly through PTSD. Its the very reason why the martha moment works. Its pretty easy to understand why this movie got hate. Because no one paid attention

[@squidsdontdie]

@@DivvayKhatri no dude, that Martha moment doesn't work at all

[@DivvayKhatri]

@@squidsdontdie not for you. What you just said is completely irrelevant because you're not considering the amount of impact something can have on a guy with PTSD. A guy turned into a crazy killer. Just because you don't agree doesnt mean shit towards the meaning and significance of that moment. Just because this filmento god of hours is after Snyder (just like hi-top films) doesn't mean anything coming out of their mouth is true. Hell, these guys don't even try to understand what Snyder did in those movies.

[@JRF1004]

I really like this kind of videos of yours. I’m actually a DC fanboy but I love Marvel too and well every single video where you compare the movies you’re 100% correct. I just hope DC can reach the potential they have one day

[@PseudOni_]

Exactly my stance on Marvel vs DC Both

[@grandconqueror5712]

Well Marvel has a chance of losing the momentum after Endgame. Members of the Avenger would be dead or retired in MCU and IRL hang up their respective costume and role.

[@fourth1000]

DC is already been there. It just takes a closer look to see Filmento is wrong. He states that there is no personal connection between Batman and Superman to fight. There is. 1- it's their difference in Justice. Batman's jutice has corroded with his abandonment of his moral code. Superman is trying to build his but the world being a difficult thing to win over is making it hard for him to bring his classic hope and justice. 2. Batman does have a personal connection in regards to death. His building crumbled killing people he knew. He feels superman is too powerful to risk having him go bad and preemptively wants to take him down.

[@grandconqueror5712]

@@fourth1000 don't forget that a past tragedy happened to Bruce. Maybe it was Robin's or Catwoman's death/s, or/and something else happened. There may have been a chance of a flashback to explore what happened in Justice League but with WB capping the film to 2 hours and with Snyder's daughter's suicide it was not continued.

[@JRF1004]

Grand Conqueror Wow wow I don’t want Marvel to fall I want DC to rise

[@Philagape]

Why Civil War works: "I didn't want you to be alone." Why BvS fails: "Bruce, wait! Let me explain ... but first I'm going to throw you through a building! MUST ... BLOW UP ... BUILDINGS!"

[@themadtitan7603]

Exactly!

[@loudboy317]

"Okay, Clark. You talk while I fire sonic beams, machine guns, and kryptonite gas at you. Then, once you are weakened, I'll beat the shit out of you and shove a kryptonite spear up your ass."

[@homeb0ys7515]

@@themadtitan7603 *Points* I'm the better villain!

[@faz6877]

Exactly! My mother is in trouble but before I explain we need to have a big CGI fight. And I don't get how the word "Martha" magically changes Bruce's mindset when the fact Superman saving the entire planet doesn't mean shit. It's like Snyder's Batman is far from the worlds greatest detective. He blames Superman for Zod throwing him through buildings? Bruce would be kneeling to Zod if it wasn't for Clark. There is no way in hell Bruce couldn't figure out Superman just saved the world from Zod. On that point alone he shouldn't be murdered by Batman, or at least buy some more time to investigate.

[@siddharth_0771]

@@faz6877 "People hate what they don't understand" - Martha Waiting for someone to comment this to u lol

[@matr1x.]

Marvel made us fall in love with a tree and a racoon... Dc couldn’t even make Superman enjoyable

[@siddharth_0771]

Lol didn't noticed!

[@siddharth_0771]

I can say it better. Marvel made us fall in love with a cloak

[@joaovictoramorim2013]

@@siddharth_0771 a magic puppy cloak sir

[@siddharth_0771]

@@joaovictoramorim2013 no I am talking about strange's cloak

[@chaficchbaro4599]

Well if your a marvel fanboy then yeah anything is possible

[@denebh733]

Drinking game: Take a shot every time he says "personal"

[@strigers8007]

*ded* But that doesn't negate the fact that he is right

[@angelfish1192]

Be careful- I’ll count it, I have time. Edit: I’m doing it, will update soon. Update: about 31 times

[@ddoogg111]

You would be dead in 3 minutes

[@fxlja]

What seals the deal for me is not only the MCU provided a good enough reason for the heroes to butt heads, but also a break time from each other to let the conflict's impact mature, and most importantly: good enough reason to reconcile. After Civil War, Steve and Tony went their separate ways, even impacted the majority of Infinity War's plot. Had they not fight and split the team in two, The Avengers would be at full roster to face Thanos. And by Endgame, they have a good reason to unite back: they lost. They need all hands on deck, personal feelings be damned. On the other hand, BvS had Martha

[@tomnook9270]

Apparently you didn't even understand the basic plot of BvS which lined out in details the motivation of the fight as well as the reconciliation Yeah save Martha bad keep on with that

[@atharvadeshpande6907]

@@tomnook9270 explain and elaborate further?

[@tomnook9270]

@@atharvadeshpande6907 Read any review on BVS about the Martha scene and you'll find out why. Apparently our Jason here failed to understand the entire plot and took the scene only as an awkward turning point where the sole reason for Batman and superman's reconciliation was their mums

[@atharvadeshpande6907]

​@@tomnook9270 Well, you shouldn't need a review to understand a plot. Plus, I have seen the analysis of that scene, which elaborates that it means that Batman realizes that Supes has a mum, so he starts to consider him human. But he could have just said, "You're letting them kill my mum" or something along those lines. However, this still doesn't solve the problems with the plot, the poor characterization of Lex Luthor, Jimmy Olsen, Louis Lane also Superman and Batman. I love Batman, but this movie sucked. Let's us DC fans just admit it, instead of defending its trash and encouraging the studio to not improve its mistakes.

[@tomnook9270]

@@atharvadeshpande6907 The plot was pretty obvious to me first sight and I was actually pretty surprised by the need of those reviews or analysis to understand it. Yes, I agree with you the plot would be clearer and easier to understand if superman said sth like "You're letting them kill my mum" but in the expense of the dramatic effect, plus superman was kryptonited badly at the point so it would be understandable that his brain wasn't functioning straight. So this part would largely be a matter of personal choice. As for the characters, they weren't top-tier again largely due to plot(e.g. people who don't get the Martha scene wouldn't get the senator character either) but I'm rather satisfied with the performances of the MCs. Also I think Jimmy Olsen wasn't even in the movie apart from the CIA agent pretending to be him at the start?

[@justinc882]

Daredevil season 2 first half is what BvS wanted to be. The entire rooftop scene is what was missing from BvS.

[@kenny8712]

and then after the 4th episode season 2 becomes kinda bad

[@cloud_9941]

There was a lot building up to the final fight in Civil War, everything they did they did for a reason, a reason that seemed grounded. Tony and Cap’s fight was building up ever since Avengers. In Batman V Superman Batman literally just decided that superman was a threat and wanted to kill him. That was his goal, there was no grounded reasoning. Although I do think of there was more building up on both Batman and Superman’s fight and they weren’t just fighting for blood it would’ve made for a better movie.

[@INDOM1TABL3]

DC Fans telling Filmento to shut up. Me: Laughing cause he's only talking about DCEU not DC Comics or Animated Film Universe.

[@adamtrevor2185]

No one is asking filmento to shut up

[@INDOM1TABL3]

@@adamtrevor2185 He literally just provided proof of DC Fans telling him to shut up

[@ethanpasok209]

@@INDOM1TABL3 really Nvm

[@FuelDropforthewin]

Young Justice forever!

[@ethanpasok209]

@Kermit Peanut ur opinion but most ppl hate it

[@smallandstressed2364]

Yes, the Civil War fight between Cap and Tony was strong and emotional, *but* the fight between Nat and Clint in Endgame had me bawling.

[@sohanroy7833]

The clip you showed about Zack reasoning Bruce's killing criminals, it is exactly how Bruce thinks. Zack isn't trying to justify why Batman wasn't exactly killing, he is trying to tell us why Batman thinks he is not exactly killing(theres a difference). Batman in this movie is delusional and borderline psychopath, completely driven by rage.

[@GenericMedusa99]

no point explaining to filmento, he doesnt understand anything now hes too bz reading all the praise comments, there is alot of thinking in BVS between actions and feelings that led to batman into becoming this rogue vigilante whom now kills but filmento doesnt understand this, especially in the events of man of steel during the war between aliens according to batman whom cannot see superman as a human. Filmento really has no idea what hes talking about right now

[@eddiereekie2403]

Nah he would have just said that in the interview. He wasn't talking from Bruce's perspective he just realised he fucked up portraying Batman

[@icequeen52]

@@GenericMedusa99 That's extremely inaccurate. The entire point that Filmento is making is that everything you're describing happened off screen, so most audiences couldn't care about it. There is literally 12 movies worth of content before Civil War. Not all of them are focused on Cap or Iron Man, but a lot of them are. To sum up the reason why most audiences didn't like BvS and why most did like Civil War is because Marvel laid foundation, tons of it, before getting to where they were at that point. DC had one movie before that, Man Of Steel, which was a great movie, but that's not enough. BvS needed more foundation, not just more before it, but it needed to show more in the movie itself. Your point is 'There's more story there', and what Filmento, I and others are all saying is 'You're right, so show it to us.' There was some flaws with both movies, the Martha scene was absolutely terrible, but BvS would have worked if they gave us more substance to it

[@sienkiewiczmonika1161]

Conclusion: MAKE IT PERSONAL.

[@jaison8263]

That's why endgame worked.

[@ratanasorn8080]

Because they know the audience loves the characters. So making it personal to the characters it’s personal to the audience.

[@badtiming2208]

I did like the BvS opening, which showed the events of MoS on Bruce Wayne and Gotham. I felt that was one hell of an introduction to potentially Batman's motivation against Superman. Too bad the rest of the movie failed to impress at all.

[@MrOgge50]

I know right? It has such a promising setup but all that kind of just falls apart later in the film

[@kyahmetestreaming1518]

Damn. I love your take on BvS's Sokovia Accord. That could have been a much much more powerful motivator. And I can't stress this enough; how you have accurately pinpointed the lowest and highest points of these two movies. You have made the BvS writers look that bad in their job. I am subscribing.

[@dante97frame81]

Biiig DC fan here he is 100% correct! I personally enjoyed the battle between bucky, tony, and steve more than the big threes fight with doomsday, which to me, also shouldn't have happened especially so early..civil war was better

[@tristan702]

DCEU: We have Wonder Woman, Shazam, and Superman MCU: WE HAVE EVERYONE (And a Hulk)

[@3Rayfire]

Ironically until this Fox deal, they didn't have everyone.

[@hehehehe4204]

And yet dceu phase 1 made more money than MCU phase 1

[@diablotry5447]

No one wants to see a ridiculously overpowered character... Coughsupermancough

[@megumareta6361]

@@hehehehe4204 whats your point? If we want to talk about money. Then Marvel has grossed more money from the box office than DC

[@TrevorXStrydeR]

Shazam is a disaster. Wonder Woman is just another story of someone punching the NAZI. It's a story of someone beating a deadmeat. Superman? Ptff, sorry for not interested in godlike being. And that's include Son Goku.

[@ravenknight4876]

It's also that audiences are way more attached to the avengers than to the DC universe versions of batman and Superman.

[@rmcbean5699]

Lol even the actors aren't attached to Batman and Superman. Affleck noped the hell out of that one.

[@funwithtropes69]

Not exactly. There are too many characters in BvS that need explanation, not just tossing everything on screen just to please the majority. If Batman came from the Dark Knight Trilogy, it would've made sense. It would take like two hours to introduce the guy. Plus, DC is just starting its shared universe, and they laughably decided to do it with BvS, which is bad from a business and writing perspective.

[@mandalorianhunter1]

That's why I think they should have had a MoS sequel first and a solo Batman movie before doing Dawn of Justice. I think the time area BvS was released was the right time to reintroduce Batman into movies after it being almost 4 years since the finale of the Christian Bale triology. Instead we get a Batman fighting Superman and we get a movie about most of his villians being the main stars in Suicide Squad. Like why would you release a movie about villians without building them up first?

[@funwithtropes69]

@@mandalorianhunter1, introducting a new Batman and his rogue gallery in a universe should be like John Wick, though it's too late now because they're focusing on movies in a shared universe that are too hard to be connected.

[@mandalorianhunter1]

@@funwithtropes69 Well its not possible now since afeflick and cavil are gone now. They aren't going to be sharing the universe now.

[@thesimpledude186]

BvS was rushed, really wasted potential, it would have been soo good.

[@vedantthapar3666]

“Deus Ex Martha.”

[@joaovictoramorim2013]

"More 10 sins"

[@chocomilkshake9750]

Ding!

[@WyattoonsComics]

“Hey, Queens. Heads up.”

[@mandeepkumarray9050]

The avengers never understood Tony, not even cap. But in endgame he understands it

[@sithsaiyan4529]

What?

[@MorganLeodeMenezes]

What did you say I don't understand

[@judgedredd366]

The original BvS script was leaked which then fed Civil War and eventually BvS had to be rewritten while MCU used the leaked script and make a movie without any studio meddling.

[@JDFan3190]

That is true,the civil war has a good reasoning for having one v one While batman vs superman has a petty reason

[@Mr.Donkeypoo]

Justice league only had a single good character with wonder woman. cmon, the cyborg was so god damn awul and flash not much better

[@comicsandgames]

Flash was the best part of Justice League

[@thefilmwatcher1302]

Funtime Bonnie 13 That’s completely true, but they also made Ezra Miller read nerdy stand-up lines while portraying his character, like what he said about not liking brunch, to try to make Barry more interesting. Kinda funny and stupid, if you ask me. Stupidly funny.

[@PhilBagels]

And their villains are awful as well. A totally impersonal Doomsday, Steppenwolf - a villain no one ever heard of who is an alien named after a 1980's heavy metal band, I've already forgotten the name of the main villain in Aquaman, Wonderwoman's Ares was pretty useless. Lex Luthor works well enough, I guess, and Black Manta has some potential, but you have to go back to the older DC movies for good villains: Joker (most versions), Ras-al-Gul, original Zod &co., even Michael Keaton's Penguin and Catwoman were better than Steppenwolf & Doomsday. But compare Doomsday to Thanos, or Ares to Loki, etc. Villains need to be more than just scary-looking punching bags. They need to have personality.

[@rick5219]

man where the teen titans at

[@masterpenguin8472]

@@PhilBagels King Orm, also known as Ocean Master.

[@thecreator1936]

You know.. They should've made a Solo Batman movie first

[@mikewhitman366]

The Creator maybe something like I dunno the start of dark knight returns ( which I heard bvs is based on ) so have an old Batman beating up people maybe take down that stupid joker in the beginning and have the last villain be another low level villain like the falconies and he kills them all this time

[@thecreator1936]

@@mikewhitman366 what so are you pissed off at me?!

[@Gesundheit2000]

@@thecreator1936 He obviously isn't, he even supports your comment with his idea for a plot.

[@thecreator1936]

@@Gesundheit2000 oh

[@thecreator1936]

@@Gesundheit2000 kill me

[@bigbadseed7665]

There's actually an exchange in Dragon Ball Z Abridged that perfectly describes the final action scene in Civil War, specifically the one where Goku and Cell describe the arena where they plan to fight each other. Goku: Looks kinda small. Cell: I prefer intimate.

[@dokuganryu1565]

Goku: Well, I don't feel intimidated

[@aaronbischoff721]

What also makes Civil War work better is that we had several solo movies along with the Avengers movies with Cap and Ironman going through personal stuff along with having conflict with each other before seeing the breaking point. Rather than with BvS it’s pretty much one movie and not seeing enough of build up

[@rahulverma8774]

Yeah Its like they desperately wanted to surpass marvel in making a cinematic universe

[@fernandodecarlosmalcher7977]

another great example of the fight between iron man and captain america, is that iron man only is going for bucky, you can see many ways of how he is trying to keep him out of that, and also how cap and bucky are only trying to disable his suit

[@TheExecutioner21]

when were we* shown only trying to disable his suit? besides cap slamming the shield into his chest

[@drsandoz2810]

@@TheExecutioner21 Steve disabling Tony's jets boot or when Steve messed with Tony's targeting system or when Bucky tried to rip out the arc reactor. Tony only really wanted to kill Bucky not steve

[@neilbreen371]

@@TheExecutioner21 lol, owned

[@TheExecutioner21]

@@neilbreen371 it was a simple question, kid

[@neilbreen371]

@@TheExecutioner21 never said it wasn't,nice try

[@-.-4827]

Bucky and cap have the longest friendship in human history js😂

[@Arcademan09]

It also helps to *_NOT_* hire the guy that hates superheroes and thinks Batman getting raped is cool

[@aryabhatt8896]

Captain Marvel hit that old lady exactly how many times....😂😆

[@harrylane4]

CapMarv punching the old lady is a better fight than BvS

[@alienspear8706]

Harrison Lane ye

[@morrigangg]

It was a shapeshifting alien

[@DivvayKhatri]

@@harrylane4 wait what? Bvs is better than most Marvel movies. What this guy just said was by taking an entirely different vision towards the movie. He told you guys what he wanted the movie to be. But that's not what it is. And as a standalone and story based movie, it's better than most mcu films. Cap Marvel sucks ass. Winter Soldier was awesome though .

[@gmoneydagoat841]

@@DivvayKhatri please tell me you're joking🤔

[@tmac731]

Here’s how I will rewrite the whole DCEU 2012 man of steel(same movie) 2013 Batman movie in the 90s but since he doesn’t kill the joker, robin dies. This brings the killing dark side of Batman and joker is in Arkham asylum. 2014 Wonder Woman(same movie) 2015 man of steel 2, brainiac is the main villain, lex Luther the side villain(for now) 2016 BvS, with Lex being the reason why they fight and he’s the real villain they have to team up against (he has technology from brainiac and Zod armor) 2016 older Batman vs Bane, wayne recovers from his broken back and shows everybody why he’s the Batman but the joker is back post credit scene 2017 man of steel 3, Superman vs doomsday, this is when clark dies in space 2018 aquaman and flash come out the same year 2019 cyborg movie, introduces the mother box 2020 justice league is short handed and dark seid comes for the mother boxes and wins because Superman is dead. RIP earth 2021 green lantern 2022 justice league 2, darkseid is defeated by justice league and Superman prime(he was recovering on the surface of the sun so he is gold for the final battle)

[@Kleshayjay]

Tyler McGee cyborg is like the hulk to me as in can’t have stand alone movies unless it’s really really good but I feel like dc would’ve ruined it honestly

[@tmac731]

Kleshayjay I feel you but what do you think if my movie list??

[@raffaeltadeoretsan-xips3875]

I think it is very similiar to the MCEU unless at 2023 superman really become evil.

[@controbot2557]

You can also add in Kara Zor-el (Supergirl) in Man of Steel 2 or Kon-El (Superman's teenage clone) in BvS if you really want to humanize Superman

[@H.U.R.]

its perfect man

[@Medaumplay3]

"Marvel knows that huge doesn't equal good" Knew. They once knew. too bad they forgot all about it.

[@bigmon5757]

Fr i miss old marvel

[@jamesmason7979]

Jeez, that explanation Snyder gave for why Batman kills was wack. Just another reminder of why he shouldn't have had the job.

[@Sandouras]

Search KZbin of his interview on Sucker Punch, where he cant explain the plot of a movie he wrote and directed. Who the fuck thought this guy deserves the reigns of the DCU?

[@AuraMaster7]

@@Sandouras some DC exec heard "dark gritty slow motion". And that was that.

[@Twistedwolf-ru2qk]

Batman killed a bunch of people in Tim burton's version too.

[@ginny9577]

@@Twistedwolf-ru2qk Batman has killed in every movie iteration minus the 1966 version & we'll have to see in Reeve's version if he kills anyone or not.

[@cwengel22]

Ginger Weatherbee The problem isn’t that Batman killed people. It’s that, per the director, there really was no good reason for it. It just was.

[@Smido83]

You know, I could never realy say why BvS did not work for me. I just knew that it didn't. Something was just missing, or wrong. This is the perfect explanation. This is brilliant! Thank you.

[@rustyAF]

Cap: “and people with agendas change.” Tony: “THATS GOOD” Funny edit there

[@silenthero2795]

*BvS contributed more to the Meme community than Civil War, therefore, it's the better film.* CHANGE MY MIND.

[@banananarwhals2016]

Then Infinity war is the greatest film of all time.

[@anyareyes2663]

Memes *can* save movies (see: The Prequels)

[@yawtsa8743]

Kardashians

[@misspriss2482]

Why? If that's your reasoning, you're clearly an idiot.

[@UTU49]

"CHANGE MY MIND." CONVINCE ME IT'S WORTH THE EFFORT. :P

[@fitzdraco]

One thing you only kind of hinted at because you were talking about this in the context of a single movie, Civil War had the benefit of time. We've seen Rogers and Stark interacting and working off each other for near a decade before Civil War and that helped a lot. Rogers doesn't just see the accords as a government oversight issue, it's also an impulsive way to quickly fix everything in one fell swoop ala Ultron. Tony Stark may be right on this one, but Rogers has been burned bad by that before and it can just be there in the movie with everybody knowing it and not having to do much more then mentioning it in a throwaway line "Ultron, that's on me". DC was in such a hurry to catch up, they skipped all that. It also allowed all the secondary characters(everybody else in this movie) to have developed characters as well. So that by the time you got to Civil War they knew who they were without having to say "hey it's that guy". Save Martha. So the second season of Punish did this plot point, possibly on a dare, and they did it much better. Spoilers. You had Frank Castle battling the Preacher the entire series, and eventually they get a sense of each other. At the end the Preacher just asks him to spare his kids. It touches on Frank's primary character point, and he spares the Preacher so he can raise his kids. It even calls back to Frank's first season ark of "all of us are dirty" to give him a real motive for saving him. Something much stronger then, "you have a mom, I have a mom, best buds for life."

[@miguelrabago9389]

A decade?? Geez. Captain America and Iron Man meet in the first avengers movie in 2012, civil war came out in 2016. Uh.. that's 4 years lol not a decade

[@Sammy-bi9fj]

@@miguelrabago9389 cap and iron man's character build started in 2008 with the release of Iron Man.

[@miguelrabago9389]

@@Sammy-bi9fj wrong. Iron man's character started in 2008. Captain America came out unil 2011 and even so, that's not what the gentleman above has said. He said they've been working off eachother for almost a decade. So no. They've been working off eachother since 2012 and this movie was released 2016

[@youtubeisgarbage3064]

*had a mom...

[@joevictor53]

Miguel Rabago I was just about to say this. It hadn't even been half a decade at this point. To say it's been a long time so they had it easier is unfair to civil war. Cap and iron man had only met in 2 movies before this. Batman v superman just tried to rush into a conflict with someone we just met 1 movie ago and someone we met an hour ago.

[@judeskater93]

T’challa: get this man a dcs movie contract.

[@anirudgoud5379]

lol. underrated.

[@iceyplayz3388]

People acting like hating the DCEU and hating DC in general are one in the same 💀

[@couldntthinkofayoutubename6498]

Filmento is literally more educated than the entire DC staff

[@JackNapier-pl2hv]

This is great! One of the best rewrite pitches I've heard

[@neophenom]

This is still one of my favorite videos of this channel. It encapsulates the issues of BvS without feeling like an attack and instead of trying to rewrite the movie. Also that bit of comedy about the Chemistry teacher was brilliant, even if some shade was thrown at JL. 🤣

[@EdenC1335]

“Huge doesnt equal good” Avengers Endgame : *am i a joke to you?*

[@jw_gojifan19]

It kinda is.

[@vedkedia]

Eden Chan huge doesn’t ALWAYS equal good

[@jazz2827]

Marvel: ...But when we do make it huge, the whole world is gonna be crazy about it

[@N0URii]

nah its ok, endgame is the end of the journey tho

[@PhilBagels]

But Endgame isn't a "versus" movie. It's not good-guy vs good-guy.

[@TheSchaef47]

You landed on the exact reason this movie works, and on the core aspects of Tony and Cap's respective character arcs. They started on one end of the spectrum - Cap was a company man, and Tony bragged about "privatizing world peace" - and the events of the movies pushed them each to the other end: Tony wants reins on the heroes and Cap is disillusioned with authority. I'm not sure there's anything about the MCU I like more than these character directions shown over time.

[@ZDK14]

No need for a 17 minute video.... Batman V superman failed because DCEU tried to do what marvel did in 12 movies in 1 movie.....

[@ZDK14]

@Pranav M Thank you

[@kongmengyang1098]

@Pranav M Steve Rogers: Big man in a suit of armour. Take that off, what are you? Tony Stark: Genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist. Steve Rogers: I know guys with none of that worth ten of you. I've seen the footage. The only thing you really fight for is yourself. You're not the guy to make the sacrifice play, to lay down on a wire and let the other guy crawl over you. Tony Stark: I think I would just cut the wire. Steve Rogers: Always a way out... You know, you may not be a threat, but you better stop pretending to be a hero. Tony Stark: A hero? Like you? You're a lab rat, Rogers. Everything special about you came out of a bottle! Steve Rogers: Put on the suit. Let's go a few rounds. Yeah... def didn't see that coming...

[@ebaugh7320]

Civil War: Mobile game ads BVS: The actual game

[@MikeHathawayMusic]

how are you not a film writer, honestly if you wrote a movie with all of the information that you've taught everyone then I think it would honestly be an outstanding movie.

[@aerroljoshbahoy8095]

just say "martha" when u have an enemy

[@siddharth_0771]

And he will stop lol

[@chaficchbaro4599]

@@siddharth_0771 you don't even understand the meaning of martha so stfu

[@rohanalias9053]

@@chaficchbaro4599 pissed?

[@chaficchbaro4599]

@@rohanalias9053 you can say im just baffled by ignorance

[@rohanalias9053]

@@chaficchbaro4599 if every ounce of humour if ignorance then the internet is retarded

[@micahhorn5480]

One thing that makes no since about BVS is that in the comics Batman is strongly against killing criminals whereas its the contrary for superman.

[@karaltar7914]

Yeah like they just turned his whole personality around it doesn’t make sense

[@spiderman5459]

I going to watch civil war again after this video

[@Jetstreamsamdidnothingwrong]

People really need to understand that people who criticize something Are usually the people who care about it the most