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Analyzing "Unfortunate": Five Years Later

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BKC

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Күн бұрын

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@BKCplaysPokemon
@BKCplaysPokemon Ай бұрын
Premise: 0:00 GSC: 1:38 ADV: 13:39 RBY: 17:02 BW: 24:21 DPP: 28:49 The post: 43:04
@DJFracus
@DJFracus Ай бұрын
Why did Lavos switch out Breloom after the flinch? It lived another Waterfall, so shouldn't he have tried to stay in and Spore again? edit: goldfish memory somehow forgot about the Taunt only a couple turns ago
@BKCplaysPokemon
@BKCplaysPokemon Ай бұрын
He was Taunted!
@barneythemusicmaker1098
@barneythemusicmaker1098 Ай бұрын
​@@BKCplaysPokemonAwake doesn't begin to describe mcmegan's gyarados
@Lunareil
@Lunareil Ай бұрын
Just wondering, did you see the interview on Callous Narrates' channel 3 years ago (so 2 years after this incident) with Lavos? I thought it gave a pretty decent further insight into what was known about Lavos and some added details on how that copypasta came to be. Then again, in the context of this video which examined what happened and what was known at that time moreso than what we know now, I suppose the relevance of that interview may be null.
@LoMaLouis
@LoMaLouis Ай бұрын
fortunate begins to describe my series, this game rewards skill and strategy and more, I am beyond convinced at this point. After me and my opponent had a fun, well scheduled and fair fight with no luck involved, i won. My preparation was superior, my play was superior, and so I won, so I see a reason to continue engaging in this activity.
@InsertFunnyThingHere
@InsertFunnyThingHere Ай бұрын
Evil lavos real
@iantaakalla8180
@iantaakalla8180 Ай бұрын
I will engage with competitive Pokemon until I die, and I hope to awaken to a flippant welcoming when I engage with you all. This community is blessed to its leaves and this blessing grows stronger and even overflows. Tournaments still have a competitive spirit represented by an organ that homeostatically thrives on encouragement and camaraderie from adults that enjoy sportsmanship and are humble. The environment fostered here has created a virtuous cycle (or at least a good negative feedback), and remaining here could require no explanation because just hanging out here is significant enough to me. This will not be the end, but I may take a break after such a hard tournament.
@lizzerd5112
@lizzerd5112 Ай бұрын
One last thing before i leave you all to react with praise, admiration, and selfless warmth. Before you do everything in your power to maximize my words and thoughts, keep them in the center of your memory and hope they stay forever on your infinite time in this world. From this moment on, everything you say matters to me. The sincerest complements you hurl with intent to heal will roughly settle at the earth before my hands, and the love you spit, will bring all the warmth of a warm summer breeze. You are more than anything you can conceive, while I carry on, unfilled with sadness distilled from attachment.
@gnammyhamster9554
@gnammyhamster9554 Ай бұрын
Hi Lavos from the universe in which harambe survived
@corrupted4726
@corrupted4726 Ай бұрын
I had a good laugh reading this
@redwarrior118
@redwarrior118 Ай бұрын
So funny that BKC and Blunder were at the site of destruction when this happened
@lancesmith8298
@lancesmith8298 Ай бұрын
Forget 9/11, maybe don’t forget January 6th, but especially never forget July 4th (Smogon Edition)
@autobotstarscream765
@autobotstarscream765 Ай бұрын
The Agency is always watching!
@samanthaw.8560
@samanthaw.8560 Ай бұрын
The funniest part is, salt aside, he wasn't even wrong. If he just said "this game has too much rng so i don't wanna play anymore" it wouldn't be such a meme
@lancesmith8298
@lancesmith8298 Ай бұрын
The almighty urge on the internet to have perfectly fine subjective opinions on something, but so overblown and rationalized that nobody can take them seriously. It blows my mind that some people wanted to look so smart about not wanting kids that there’s an entire child hatred cult on Reddit
@Freezermansaccountno
@Freezermansaccountno Ай бұрын
He was a huge bigot he would've been a meme regardless.
@Nryan-ks5tz
@Nryan-ks5tz Ай бұрын
the reason why everyone clowned on him (aside from his shakesperian soliloquy) was because he was a massive asshole. he was good at mons and insanely good at gsc no doubt, but you dont get to be a pos and disregard everyone else and then whine and complain when you get haxxed rllly badly one time :((( like pls get a grip lmfao
@QuestionableLogic_
@QuestionableLogic_ Ай бұрын
​@@Freezermansaccountno I doubt that, I wouldn't be surprised if there are players that share similar views but are still considered knowledgeable and skilled plays simply because the way they express those views isn't in the same breadth as whatever Lavos' Shakespearean soliloquy was trying to accomplish. To say he would've been been mocked back then considering that in the grand scheme of things Smogon has only relatively recently stopped being the competitive Pokémon equivalent of 4chan (never ask why Koffin is the mascot) just doesn't track imo, especially when nowadays the fact such a core moral failing is basically treated as a footnote on his legacy along the lines of: *_"Lavos was a really good player who had a meltdown over a bad game of Pokémon and quit in a hilariously overly pompous and edgy fashion. ᴼʰ ʸᵉᵃʰ ᵃⁿᵈ ʰᵉ ʷᵃˢ ᵃⁿ ᵇᶦᵍᵒᵗᵗᵉᵈ ᵃˢˢʰᵒˡᵉ ᵗᵒᵒ ˢᵒ ⁿᵒᵗʰᶦⁿᵍ ᵒᶠ ᵛᵃˡᵘᵉ ʷᵃˢ ˡᵒˢᵗ ᶦᵍ."_*
@tysondennis1016
@tysondennis1016 Ай бұрын
He was so salty that he said "fuck this rng hellhole of a game, and fuck you all, I'm done" in the most unnecessarily verbose way possible.
@vastgarlic
@vastgarlic Ай бұрын
The guy who nicknames his pokemon after fantasy novel characters writes like a fantasy novel? How shocking
@josiebianchi3481
@josiebianchi3481 Ай бұрын
Little did we all know he had a seventh Stormlight Archives character on his team; mental illness
@lintecassidy206
@lintecassidy206 Ай бұрын
@@josiebianchi3481this is such a banger
@Billymanaco
@Billymanaco Ай бұрын
What I actually learned from this video is that Lavos was only half-right. It seems obvious to me that they *both* deserved to lose, as neither of them ran Zapdos on their GSC team. (I am kidding in case this wasn’t clear).
@lancesmith8298
@lancesmith8298 Ай бұрын
I’d like to solve the puzzle for what actually happened in the whole videos not even five minute in: Two historically good Pokemon players played each other, it got very close, and RNG did it’s job as a tiebreaker
@AttitudeIndicator
@AttitudeIndicator 5 күн бұрын
You having to point out your kidding ruins it
@roberte.o.speedwagon6043
@roberte.o.speedwagon6043 Ай бұрын
Scarf Iron Head Serene Grace Jirachi player gets Flinches: 🤫 Scarf Iron Head Serene Grace Jirachi player gets Flinched: 🤬
@richardfrederick6009
@richardfrederick6009 Ай бұрын
Rachi flinch OK. Breloom double flinch + heatran flinch? Nah bruh. Unfortunate doesn't even begin to describe it
@uihirasawa843
@uihirasawa843 Ай бұрын
To be fair, the flinches coming off Jirachi are 60% likely to happen, so slightly better odds than a coin flip every time. Waterfall has a 20% chance, so for it to flinch 3 out of the 4 hits where it doesn't KO a Pokemon (75% flinches) is WAY off of the expected rate, especially worse since it happens at crucial points.
Ай бұрын
60% vs 20% probability, it is different
@sharkhaos_probably
@sharkhaos_probably Ай бұрын
Fortunate doesn't even begin to describe the next hour of my life
@Nuvizzle
@Nuvizzle Ай бұрын
The part that always kills me is "This was the single biggest threat to my team" when the game literally ended with McMeghan having revealed no other pokemon
@joshuabrown4765
@joshuabrown4765 Ай бұрын
his lead mops half your team but "you had him", okay
@misteral9045
@misteral9045 Ай бұрын
But it's true though.
@Cosplaybuddygiraffes
@Cosplaybuddygiraffes Ай бұрын
By saying that, it just comes off as Lavos being hilariously underprepared for one of the most pivotal meta threats in the tier. Like you’re saying you built a team that was *this* weak to DD Gyarados?
@pokememe2588
@pokememe2588 Ай бұрын
@@Cosplaybuddygiraffes moment when match-up fishing backfires xD
@gustavolopes5094
@gustavolopes5094 Ай бұрын
yeah, I'm not THAT into comp pokemon, but although yeah rng was VERY bad for him, I think this actually boils down to a skill issue. But the part that always has me is "what is within my control is overwhelmingly outweighed by what is not". What a way to accidentally say "I didn't deserve any of what I have".
@camsons
@camsons Ай бұрын
Why would I celebrate America when I could be celebrating lavos rage quit?
@pikminman13
@pikminman13 Ай бұрын
I can celebrate both at the same time, independence from a singular mons player I'll never play against
@pantsumonster
@pantsumonster Ай бұрын
The real Independence Day
@maxmustermann5590
@maxmustermann5590 Ай бұрын
Bc Lavos was actually good at something
@pantsumonster
@pantsumonster Ай бұрын
@@maxmustermann5590 America used to be great at free speech prior to Trump not clamping down on corporate censorship.
@cynthiacrescent
@cynthiacrescent Ай бұрын
@@pantsumonster google Kent State 1970 for more examples of great American free speech
@tarkusvontortellini1877
@tarkusvontortellini1877 Ай бұрын
I use the phrase "unfortunate doesn't even begin to describe [insert relevant thing], this [thing] rewards [x,y + z] and nothing else" irl sometimes and while I am yet to have someone give me the finger guns ayyyy, this video is a fantastic breakdown of my favourite internet rant and pokemon related copypasta.
@lesqueegee
@lesqueegee Ай бұрын
I loved the commentary you did with blunder on this, and despite the more brief overview of the turns in this video this still turns out to be another BlockbusterKevinClassic
@nesswednesday2976
@nesswednesday2976 Ай бұрын
This was five years ago?! The whole thing feels like it happened in 2012
@ninthfloor
@ninthfloor Ай бұрын
McMeghan has taught me so many French Pokemon names over the years
@doc_1203
@doc_1203 Ай бұрын
so real
@Claravermillion
@Claravermillion Ай бұрын
He wrongly named his thundurus therian which is funny
@ElceePlaysCiv
@ElceePlaysCiv Ай бұрын
swampert being Laggron is hilarious to me, it sounds like a name someone would use on smogon in 2009
@Luzbel809
@Luzbel809 Ай бұрын
Shoutouts to Ronflex, Tropikeur and Millobellus.
@Cosplaybuddygiraffes
@Cosplaybuddygiraffes Ай бұрын
Tyranocif my beloved
@aldwych285
@aldwych285 Ай бұрын
"UNFORTUNATELY..." - FalseSwipeASMR
@reg4835
@reg4835 Ай бұрын
just realizing Lavos's nicknames in the dpp game are from Brandon Sanderson's Stormlight Archive
@ryanjensen1945
@ryanjensen1945 Ай бұрын
Yeah in my mind this happened like 20 years ago and so I was so confused how he had the names. Turns out this drama is more fresh than I realized!
@hisho2255
@hisho2255 Ай бұрын
I believe all the nicknames are stormlight characters
@UncalibratedAimbot
@UncalibratedAimbot Ай бұрын
Hisho is correct, it looks like all nicknames are from Stormlight Archive
@Luzbel809
@Luzbel809 Ай бұрын
Well. That explain why his post was verbally rich.
@kryssthianfroynoel8310
@kryssthianfroynoel8310 Ай бұрын
Unfortunately, there is no footage of BKC's beautiful face in this video
@jvidsforyou7620
@jvidsforyou7620 Ай бұрын
Lol
@Justpassingby204
@Justpassingby204 Ай бұрын
He probably got tired of people being weird
@iantaakalla8180
@iantaakalla8180 Ай бұрын
I wonder why he bothered in the first place. You either do that stuff in the beginning or not. And even when you do that’s the end of whatever peace you have unless you casually rabidly safeguard whatever privacy and peace you have left.
@ShinyTillDawn
@ShinyTillDawn Ай бұрын
@@iantaakalla8180 It's because OBS was giving him problems a few weeks ago
@nomnom2407
@nomnom2407 8 күн бұрын
Wait, when did he reveal his face?
@electricVGC
@electricVGC Ай бұрын
i refuse to believe this is 5 years old i swear this happened like two seasons ago
@manelneedsaname1773
@manelneedsaname1773 Ай бұрын
Really? To me it seems like It had to be ancient lore, like 10 years ago or more
@g6iii
@g6iii Ай бұрын
55:30 my fav part of the Lavos drama was the pot calling the kettle black
@timberlin4075
@timberlin4075 Ай бұрын
the combo of breaking down the gameplay, then breaking down the writing skills
@troy8423
@troy8423 Ай бұрын
I’m going to archive this whole channel onto one of those DVD folders so I can watch when I’m in the nursing home
@june9914
@june9914 Ай бұрын
Are you done archiving
@troy8423
@troy8423 Ай бұрын
@@june9914 no my disk burner is only 5Kb/S
@_Crowuh
@_Crowuh Ай бұрын
Pre-2020 being 5 years ago still messes me up
@fillphd
@fillphd Ай бұрын
Most unfortunate thing about this series was it gave birth to one of Smogon’s two jokes
@hansoskar1911
@hansoskar1911 Ай бұрын
RBY felt very bad as lot of things seemed to go McMeghans way but Lavos did aprox. half as many attacks. And as they say: He who doesnt attack can't crit. you can argue it was fundamentally caused by some bad luck early in the game (including sing hit into 5 turn sleep) but 100 turns should be enough to turn that around if you are truly better. if you arent that much better than your opponent it doesnt take as much luck to beat you.
@lionheartz1337
@lionheartz1337 Ай бұрын
The video with you and blunder is how I was introduced to you as a creator. I dont even play mons but I stuck around because I love long form youtube content and hearing you sometimes ramble for hours about this niche community has been nothing short of pure entertainment. Shoutout to lavos for raging out so hard that it spawned such a legendary moment
@ohnoitsdominoes5393
@ohnoitsdominoes5393 Ай бұрын
A sequel to the modern classic late 2010’s film, “HOES MAD: THE MOVIE” that somehow not only matches but adds to the original? The Godfather Part II of mons, you love to see it 😩
@melanie735
@melanie735 Ай бұрын
Unfortunate (2019)
@charlesbyrd2452
@charlesbyrd2452 Ай бұрын
All the fireworks tonight were to remember McMeghan winning this series
@AttitudeIndicator
@AttitudeIndicator 5 күн бұрын
Just imagining a father with his arm around his daughter, on a hilltop, proudly looking up at the fireworks in the night sky with complete contentment and awe. "You did it Mcmeghan, you did it..."
@bananaspice1967
@bananaspice1967 Ай бұрын
We all know this was a plot by Flinchinator to eliminate Lavos from his potential place of power.
@9bit927
@9bit927 Ай бұрын
The Champion theme starting when the infamous DPP game begins is fitting
@i.theworstguys298
@i.theworstguys298 Ай бұрын
you and blunder permanently altered my brain chemistry when that video released. you two put crack in that video I swear
@PrimitivElement
@PrimitivElement Ай бұрын
To insult the opposing player is so ignorant and petty. Sad really. I understand the misfortune but it’s not like it’s megs fault lol that’s mons through and through
@the_blahhh
@the_blahhh Ай бұрын
I think you interpret lavos being famous for abusing luck as evidence of him being a hypocrite, but another interpretation would be that he knows how rewarding luck is, because he finds fishing for luck very rewarding himself and doesn't find it fun anymore.
@DGFTardin
@DGFTardin Ай бұрын
Considering the character of Lavos, I can't help but feel this was cosmic justice.
@Luzbel809
@Luzbel809 Ай бұрын
How he was exactly? I only know him for this specific episode.
@aname4731
@aname4731 Ай бұрын
@@Luzbel809 He was a toxic piece of shit
@iantaakalla8180
@iantaakalla8180 Ай бұрын
This may have been funny, and he is absolutely correct that Pokémon is a game of chance we all just accept and build around with power creep or forgotten mechanics to make it worse, but very literally the next line after the supposed deconstruction of Pokémon battling as a whole a comment makes clear Lavos has been hostile for quite some time and this tantrum is the last straw.
@mmsnorby
@mmsnorby Ай бұрын
I think it's pretty hard to make the argument that McMeghan didn't get super lucky in that RBY game. I mean, two times out of two Sing clicks that Chansey won the speed tie and hit the sing to sleep the other Chansey, in addition to the first sleep lasting near max turns. Even ignoring (as I agree you should) the paras and crits, that's just brutal luck.
@jordanthejq12
@jordanthejq12 Ай бұрын
If I'm doing my math correctly, the double Speed-tie-Sing sequence is about a .076% chance? Yeah, that's some bullshit right there. Can't really say Lavos closes it out if not for that, but definitely valid frustration.
@ryanjensen1945
@ryanjensen1945 Ай бұрын
You're not wrong, but RBY is an EXTREMELY rng-driven metagame. You do what you can to hedge, but the simple fact is that it's a meta where you don't break through without hitting low accuracy moves, winning speed ties, landing freezes/full paras, or critical hits. This is a meta where slam/slam/beam is a THING. Chansey and reflect snorlax are both borderline unbreakable without significant hacks.
@DisastrousIntentionally
@DisastrousIntentionally Ай бұрын
Ye, both of those sleeps mattered for sure. But that's the nature of RBY and Lavos still chose to go for a second 50/50 knowing what could happen. He gambled and lose the coinflip twice. Both sings hitting is roughly 30% odds.
@raikaru0
@raikaru0 Ай бұрын
@@DisastrousIntentionallysings have to hit + speed tie
@BKCplaysPokemon
@BKCplaysPokemon Ай бұрын
Neither Sing was a must-hit on those specific turns, one of the reasons Sing Chans is good is it gets a lot of opportunities. Obviously still fortunate though
@conansglasses2645
@conansglasses2645 Ай бұрын
Guy lost a game in pokemon and started speaking like a final fantasy villain
@Jaeogijaoidfjlanflnasn
@Jaeogijaoidfjlanflnasn Ай бұрын
i cant believe this video ends with "and this final hilarious thing... jk lol", what a cliffhanger. very entertaining and informative watch tho
@atpyro7920
@atpyro7920 Ай бұрын
ahhhh, an hour long analysis of the events of HOES MAD THE MOVIE. such gifts given on America day
@prthedisaster
@prthedisaster Ай бұрын
""i outplayed to the best of my abilities" ok i guess he didnt say he did the best moves, so hes right here" Brutal
@Nako3
@Nako3 Ай бұрын
Funny how faster the games become the higher you go in gens. Nowadays the games are pretty much decided in the first 10 turns.
@TechProducerOfPi
@TechProducerOfPi Ай бұрын
The more Ive heard about Lavos, the more I just do not like him as a person. I don’t wish any ill will toward him but the amount of disrespect he shows others while commanding respect back is garbage.
@cultofmel
@cultofmel Ай бұрын
Lavos is just a huge hypocrite. Shows others no respect but demands it himself, hates rng but frequently used rng based mechanics like scarf iron head rachi, etc. he complains about issues that he is massively a part of
@Pyroniusburn
@Pyroniusburn Ай бұрын
​@@cultofmelThere's literally nothing hypocritical about pointing out certain tools being overtuned makes the game unfun, while still using those tools to win, especially at a high level.
@cultofmel
@cultofmel Ай бұрын
@@Pyroniusburn To engage in behavior that opposes your own stated beliefs is hypocrisy.
@Pyroniusburn
@Pyroniusburn Ай бұрын
@@cultofmel Yeah it's a good thing his belief is *not* "you suck because you relied on luck", but instead "the game sucks because relying on luck is way too powerful" isn't it then? It's not hypocritical for a fighting game player to call a character broken and unhealthy for the game and still play them in tournament, they're trying to win.
@cultofmel
@cultofmel Ай бұрын
@@Pyroniusburn So he's still a hypocrite then??? If he thinks a game is bad, for him to play the game is hypocritical. He still was engaging in an activity that goes against his stated beliefs.
@dinaariaudio4944
@dinaariaudio4944 Ай бұрын
the thing with jirachi was, its a very dangerous double.... letting lead gyara get to +2 speed basically for free (when your check only outspeeds at +1), getting 6-0'd by it and then complaining about hax on a move that has less chance to flinch than your own iron head is CRAZY. mcmeghan was happy to sack gyara to chunk jirachi for something else to come in, that alone was worth it. lavos got beat in the gen 5 match for the same reason- mcmeghan applied offensive pressure from turn one, chernobyl meltdown ensues. wouldnt ever happen, but would have been funny if gyarados had some hp investment and lived a min roll tpunch. i would have just turned my router off at that point
@DJFracus
@DJFracus Ай бұрын
Switching to Jirachi directly is also dangerous. There's a good chance Gyarados just clicks Waterfall instead of trying to set up turn 1 and chunks your Rachi. Especially since lead Gyara is sometimes CB. Switching your own Gyarados in first allows you to scout Waterfall/CB without it even gaining attack if it does DD. And even if the opponent does DD twice, the opponent has to decide to stay in and click Waterfall and lose their Gyarados to ThunderPunch 80% of the time. They might just switch out instead of risking that, and even if they risk that, you come out ahead 80% of the time. So basically you are hedging against turn 1 Waterfall while still coming out ahead the vast majority of the time if they don't. But of course Lavos got the worst case scenario.
@dinaariaudio4944
@dinaariaudio4944 Ай бұрын
@@DJFracus very fair points. i think though my final point about mcmeghan putting on the pressure right away and lavos folding was pretty accurate though in this set
@Steltunes
@Steltunes Ай бұрын
If the rby was a one off game it wouldnt have been as brutal, same deal with the DPP match (though to a lesser extent). Think the salt came from McMeghan having slightly above average luck throughout the majority of the matches and less about 1 or 2 major lucky moments, sort of like losing a dice roll 10 times in a row would feel more frustrating than losing once or twice with you rolling a 1 and your opponent rolling a 6. Doesnt excuse the salt post and "superior play" is clearly debatable though 😅
@rbikidportland
@rbikidportland Ай бұрын
golly GSC is a snoozefest
@hamishcoles1379
@hamishcoles1379 Ай бұрын
Holy smokes its been 5 years. The passage of time is truly a thing that exists
@ROSCOE16000
@ROSCOE16000 Ай бұрын
Does the title mean to say "Unfortunate" instead of "Unfortunately"?
@BKCplaysPokemon
@BKCplaysPokemon Ай бұрын
oops lol yes
@thanosvasilas4076
@thanosvasilas4076 19 күн бұрын
Good video. Appreciate the language analysis also within the text.
@maxmustermann5590
@maxmustermann5590 Ай бұрын
Except for the DPP game there was absolutely nothing to whine about tbh
@felicityc
@felicityc 23 күн бұрын
34:00 my policy for talking during any competitive game is that I will only talk in an open all-team chat (in case its a team game) using xD or ? depending on whether I'm mad or trying to be toxic, respectively
@exotericidymnic3530
@exotericidymnic3530 Ай бұрын
what auspicious timing
@kristianmureau2398
@kristianmureau2398 Ай бұрын
Very early to a medium length bkc movie, ly
@vanesslifeygo
@vanesslifeygo Ай бұрын
this deep dive is convincing me to run scarf Rotom in Gen IV. everyone else seems to run that anyway
@catandfishfc
@catandfishfc Ай бұрын
My go-to move is to double to scarf thunder punch flygon on dragon dance
@varelasensei
@varelasensei Ай бұрын
All i'm saying is i spam kabutops in adv ou and im having a blast getting wrecked
@jack.son4
@jack.son4 Ай бұрын
People are so weird online, I could tell lavose was in his own head from the vid but the racist remarks are ridiculous
@vaughnrudy8084
@vaughnrudy8084 Ай бұрын
This is so real. Competetive pokemon is balls
@june9914
@june9914 Ай бұрын
Eh this is a once in a blue moon type thing
@michaeltabarroni70
@michaeltabarroni70 Ай бұрын
@june9914 it still shows the deranged potential RNG holds in Competitive Pokemon.
@bobjones3399
@bobjones3399 Ай бұрын
we're back
@michellgutierrez3937
@michellgutierrez3937 Ай бұрын
Omg all his pokemon nicknames are stormlight archive references 💀💀💀💀
@maeve7220
@maeve7220 Ай бұрын
Fortunate does describe
@mushi1480
@mushi1480 Ай бұрын
Happy UNFORTUNATELY day!
@everettw.9610
@everettw.9610 Ай бұрын
I think *some* people in the competitive sphere from playing nuzlockes more often. It might make them more comfortable with playing around luck.
@harb1ng3r82
@harb1ng3r82 Ай бұрын
How has it already been five years what the hell
@nightingem
@nightingem Ай бұрын
Christ alive I remember that video with blunder. I think it was one of the first if not the first video I watched with you in it. Somehow it almost feels like it was longer ago. Time sure does march onward.
@GeorgMaUlWurf
@GeorgMaUlWurf Ай бұрын
I am trying really hard to make it past the first battle but who decided itd be a good idea to have 12 leftovers in a game? this is so boring xD
@Lorendrawn
@Lorendrawn 27 күн бұрын
Slay the Spire players can attest: having bad games through RNG is just a part of gaming. Ouch gg we lost. If you wanted control over every aspect of a competitive sport take up boxing or something physical LOL
@doc_1203
@doc_1203 Ай бұрын
jesus its been 5 years already
@colfortynine
@colfortynine Ай бұрын
ty uncle sam and jesus
@georgebutler3323
@georgebutler3323 Ай бұрын
Lavos was a tool, this copypasta is so funny, but also the luck elements in this game suck lmao.
@PeterKart4444
@PeterKart4444 Ай бұрын
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO
@jordanthejq12
@jordanthejq12 Ай бұрын
Honestly the whole affair is why I don't fuck with competitive communities. Love the game, despise the playerbase. My thoughts on the matter are summarized by Amaranth's post down the thread: "the fact that one of the best players in the history of this website just had a big mental breakdown and everyone's immediate reaction is to clown on him rather than appreciating what he has done for the game is probably what ["Tournaments used to have a competitive spirit at their heart..."] means "the man has attitude issues and I understand people who dislike him, but he's not exactly wrong. we're watching a top 4 of absolutely insane quality and there's approximately five people acknowledging that and celebrating all the absolutely insane players and games vs. a couple billion jumping on the latest memeable event - his own post in this case. "...People don't spectate pokemon out of love for the game anymore, they spectate pokemon for the drama between the players involved. And Lavos gave you drama alright, I hope you're happy with the forum likes you all earned from it, to some they're worth more than witnessing the best games of GSC this community has ever seen." To which the counterpoint is immediately and succinctly provided, courtesy of Finch: "Talk shit get hit."
@teal7652
@teal7652 Ай бұрын
Finch is and has always been a moron
@jordanthejq12
@jordanthejq12 Ай бұрын
Also have to say; Kevin, massive respect for not taking the simple _tu quoque_ route on the rant. Obviously Lavos lacked the self-reflection to realize his own substantial contribution to Smogtours' toxic culture--which shines through in his closing paragraph especially--but so much commentary on the matter simply writes him off as a hypocrite without actually engaging with the points. That Lavos lives in a glass house does not prevent that stone from hitting its mark.
@ryanjensen1945
@ryanjensen1945 Ай бұрын
I'm sorry, but your source seems utterly non-credible. 'People don't spectate pokemon out of love for the game, they spectate pokemon for the drama between the players' - most pokemon spectators don't even KNOW many players, and he most watched formats are wifi battles with no communication.
@gavinyeet5821
@gavinyeet5821 Ай бұрын
I mean, he kind of deserved to get clowned on with how pretentious it was. BKC was absolutely correct on his points about how people use the word pretentious and how it accurately describes the Lavos post. If he was just tired of dealing with the incredibly heavy RNG of Pokemon then that's fine, but the way he went about it was just bizarre. Whenever I think of the bad luck he had in this match I think of the infamous will o wisp set Aaron Zheng had in 2013 worlds. I don't know much about VGC but I feel pretty confident saying that he had worse luck than what Lavos did here. As for the spectacle of drama, that's just how competition goes when viewership increases. I don't follow it that closely anymore, but the NBA is the highest level of basketball in the world and all the fans ever care about is what player is doing what or going where. Obviously people care enough about the game to pay attention, but there's much more attention on the drama surrounding the league than there is on the actual game. I just feel like Pokemon is similar, though maybe that isn't accurate. Finch is right though. Deal with the consequences of your actions.
@jordanthejq12
@jordanthejq12 Ай бұрын
@@ryanjensen1945 Remember that Smogonites generally look down on the official formats with their whole "lack of balance" and whatnot. Even so, VGC communities aren't entirely there for the love of the game either--they're just better regulated due to official oversight. Even then, spectators certainly try to create drama by whinging about overused pokes or the presence of Legendaries, or Wolfe Glick fanboying. The Ban Lando-T bleating out of the OU low ladder is nothing compared to a VGC audience at the presence of Incineroar.
@esralper00
@esralper00 Ай бұрын
II feel like playing games like pokemon on a high level, you forfeit the right to blame the effect of percentages on your success as pokemon is a game that is inherently based on percentages. you get hit by bad luck as much as any other player, and if bad luck causes you to lose, sucks to be you, but pokemon is not a deterministic game that you can expect to win every single game solely on "superior play", I'm sure Lavos had won many games in his time playing pokemon where the opponent had the "superior play". I respect his descision to quit because of reliance on luck, but to claim such moral highground while doing so is beyond me.
@invisibilius1978
@invisibilius1978 Ай бұрын
ngl I do think if he was so worried about lead dd gyarados he should have gone hard rachi. if it's banded then he still lives (albeit uncomfortably) and he knows it's not an incredibly threatening build. hindsight 2020 tho
@FlaskFlash
@FlaskFlash Ай бұрын
Most mythical moment in competitive history.
@danf7411
@danf7411 Ай бұрын
isn't this guy right, just ahead of the curve by years. now everyone is moaning about what he moaned about years ago? or did i miss something
@danf7411
@danf7411 Ай бұрын
well he said weird shit but wasnt he complaining about perma flinch and para somewhere, maybe i mixed it up with another rage post
@iantaakalla8180
@iantaakalla8180 Ай бұрын
Flinch and para are why Lavos lost against McMeghan in that match, so he would complain about it.
@vreeze33
@vreeze33 Ай бұрын
Haven't people been complaining about this for as long as it's been in the games?
@iantaakalla8180
@iantaakalla8180 Ай бұрын
Yes. However, only now are people starting to realize they had accepted what is actually such an oversized influence on games simply by allowing the paralysis status, and especially in Gen 9 where setup sweepers exist even one flinch against the best counter is probably a win. That is, people are now realizing para and flinching should have been more contentious and only various subtle details prevented that.
@AndrewRKenny
@AndrewRKenny Ай бұрын
Man I can't wait to listen to this later. Happy 4th dude!
@AndrewRKenny
@AndrewRKenny Ай бұрын
This was great. It's honestly super crazy seeing how much every metagame has evolved since this match despite the most recent of the bunch being like six years old at the time.
@gabrielduguay5783
@gabrielduguay5783 Ай бұрын
I didnt ask for this vid but I needed it
@jemmabean
@jemmabean Ай бұрын
Pretentious comes from pretense, not pretend. Good analysis though! ❤
@junnochang6372
@junnochang6372 Ай бұрын
Cooking the essay is so funny to me. bkc might be the goat
@rbikidportland
@rbikidportland Ай бұрын
Has someone made an animated version of this whole engagement bc if not they should
@jamietuohy4523
@jamietuohy4523 27 күн бұрын
I would say Aaron CybertronVGC at worlds got haxed way worse than lavos did
@aamr7434
@aamr7434 Ай бұрын
Would you mind linking the background music you use in the description? Sounded interesting but wasn't sure where to look
@shortpitched713
@shortpitched713 Ай бұрын
Liked, loved, subscribed, favorited, upvoted, updooted, updawged, etc.
@tysondennis1016
@tysondennis1016 Ай бұрын
He's out of line, but he's right. The RNG can make skill irrelevant.
@maxmustermann5590
@maxmustermann5590 Ай бұрын
Man ADV phys offence does so well in tournament, but you'll hate on it till you die, won't you? Lol
@zate5355
@zate5355 Ай бұрын
Kinda turned into BKC the Script Doctor at the end there.
@supremegoesviral9922
@supremegoesviral9922 Ай бұрын
the original video from blunders channel went triple platinum in the hood.
@chicken29843
@chicken29843 Ай бұрын
Technically America wasn't in sovereign Nation in its current form until like 1783 and it was not on July 4th
@pantsumonster
@pantsumonster Ай бұрын
Correct, but winners write the history books
@emperortoho
@emperortoho Ай бұрын
@@pantsumonster i mean it’s also the fact that celebrating the day we declared independence is a lot cooler than celebrating the day we signed a peace treaty
@pantsumonster
@pantsumonster Ай бұрын
@@emperortoho ye I guess
@chicken29843
@chicken29843 Ай бұрын
@@pantsumonster I mean yeah but we didn't even win on July 4th I mean the war hadn't even started on July 4th.
@Luzbel809
@Luzbel809 Ай бұрын
​@@chicken29843Then why is the historic justification for July 4th being the celebrated day?
@darkfire9969
@darkfire9969 Ай бұрын
This Documentary reminded me why Gen 2 was unwatchable haha
@SethRietdijk
@SethRietdijk Ай бұрын
bkc bringing up people falsly claiming that enjoying french films is pretentious makes me think that he wasn't coming up with an example from thin air LMAO
@gregkareem9824
@gregkareem9824 Ай бұрын
Stop cursing its a sin dude
@ilexdiapason
@ilexdiapason Ай бұрын
​@@gregkareem9824there isn't even a swear word in that message
@gregkareem9824
@gregkareem9824 Ай бұрын
@@ilexdiapason read the last words of the original comment the A word in there is a curse literally search up what that word stands for in Google and yall see what i mean
@ShinyTillDawn
@ShinyTillDawn Ай бұрын
@@gregkareem9824 Who the fuck cares about sins?
@ryanloney5512
@ryanloney5512 Ай бұрын
​@@ilexdiapason Fr*nch
@EpicVideoMaster11
@EpicVideoMaster11 20 күн бұрын
Finally found your account again
@Joeypals
@Joeypals Ай бұрын
I've been out of competitive for a very, VERY long time but like to keep up on what's happening. This is one hell of a blast to the past. I hope he realizes he was trying to write a senior-level HS paper for a game where the mascot is a goddamn Pikachu lol
@zachwesson7848
@zachwesson7848 Ай бұрын
I can't believe this was 5 years ago
@HugeZorse
@HugeZorse Ай бұрын
YES
@59hawks
@59hawks Ай бұрын
I never realized how stall heavy GSC was...
@ma.2099
@ma.2099 Ай бұрын
Anyone here watch imported cheese and just realize this is where his diatribe comes from? Wow. This is great.
@algar6616
@algar6616 Ай бұрын
48:33 kev gave 2 rounds to lavos one to Mcmeghan 2 ties😮
@smittz_
@smittz_ Ай бұрын
why didn't he run inner focus in singles ? is he stupid ?
@toastprobably9774
@toastprobably9774 Ай бұрын
Who cares about america when you can play DPP ou
@Cobalt957
@Cobalt957 Ай бұрын
Who cares about dpp when you can play UsUm ou
@ShinyTillDawn
@ShinyTillDawn Ай бұрын
Finch made Lavos rage quit the community, not McMeghan!!
@algar6616
@algar6616 Ай бұрын
51:56 shocking statement
@Miss-Alexis
@Miss-Alexis Ай бұрын
Today is my birthday!
@jake9107
@jake9107 Ай бұрын
happy birthday! to AMERICA 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
@Blowjabbadahut
@Blowjabbadahut Ай бұрын
Happy birthday 🎉
@pantsumonster
@pantsumonster Ай бұрын
Happy birthday
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