ANC's alliance partners on coalition talks

[@dorrienvenables3057]

Cosatu, which is a public sector union body, doesn't want the ANC having any agreement with the DA, because it might limit their continuous above-inflation increases that have been going on for too many years. They just want to protect their patronage. As it is, the ANC should not be in alliance with one particular union body, and it's time to disband this grouping in the interests of all unions and civic organizations. Also, the SACP, which is evidently parasitic, needs to be cleaved off from the ANC and do its own thing.

[@maryjooste6161]

That unions will destroy the country! Thers almost nothing left thy will punished the economy you knw all thy care is themselves thers no mercy to workers not a single care but to demolished the country further

[@jameskillu9171]

DA is against MK and EFF because it want to continue apartheid patronage. DA want ro protect apartheids heirs, apartheid land thieves and apartheid criminals.who continue to loot minerals,

[@LT.J]

Then anc loses voters

[@johnledwaba8551]

I agree with you

[@thabelondonyane6974]

Cosatu were were you when post office worker loss there job 6000 hayibo

[@rthare1]

Watch out for Ideology. There are some people who will let 'others' live in poverty without education, in the name of Ideology.

[@delarey40]

Agreed! Ideology , left or right is exclusive, not inclusive. It is an elitist stance that does not serve anyone, least of all the poor!

[@deniscoyne5671]

like the ANC

[@sizamajola2267]

This Cosatu representative is very arrogant.

[@RG-jr8ym]

Sadly they all are the same, its as if they do us a favor by doing their job

[@MervynCupido]

Cosatu is arrogant you are inline with Anc but don't want too apologize too your members

[@jameskillu9171]

COSATU is right, DA is against WORKERS,

[@lisajansenvanvuuren2232]

*to

[@pontshomosiea6187]

They have been in this alliance for decades but workers are still suffering, top positions are still occupied by whites,retrenchment is still happening and the conditions their workers stay is full of potholes, load shedding and streets running in sewage. Their contributions in the alliance is of no value and symbolic there outdated.

[@YT-xk5jl]

Everyone you people don’t like or disagree with is arrogant. What the heck is so arrogant about Cosatu Mxm

[@hgfku-tn6hb]

You apologize because of the loss and not because you denied poor people services

[@vessela7484]

Then patted himself on the back for having the humility to admit their shortcomings.

[@carinacoetzee3788]

Fantastic conversation. And I so agree, well done gentlemen.

[@alexharkonen01234]

Comrade… really tells you all you need to know

[@thembama]

The sanco guy is very clear, i like his analysis of the election results.

[@andilenongeni872]

👌🏼

[@mzothulemsezane2703]

We don’t want anc in power the man from COSATU is so arrogant.

[@thulanijamesmalinga9497]

This gentleman from Sanco is sound and humble. He's worthy to be given an ear

[@MBReader410]

Please don’t forget that anyone with savings and a pension is an investor.

[@SoultyBoiBeats]

Lol

[@henniecronje2868]

I​@@Jazz-fg2dmI think the point made, is that if you have an investment, you pay tax on your interest which is something in the region of 45% which definitely could help feed many if not stolen.

[@RG-jr8ym]

The arrogance of this guy from cosatu is exactly how all the ANC politicians are...just wish the ANC lost by a much bigger margin and kicked out of government once and for all...

[@sallyramabu2503]

Cosatu, SACP, please wait a bit, all what SA voters need peace, stability and a smooth transition to govern. Voters have spoken not alliance partners.

[@reginaldgeorge3291]

❤...the government must put 👏 👌 the people of 🇿🇦 1st.

[@toddpadrepollockgriffith6572]

The state’s interest is always the state. Businesses seem to follow the same path for some reason.

[@jameskillu9171]

South Africa is in BRICKS. BRICKS have not dictated any coalition for ANC,

[@aobakweCup326D]

Good point

[@Tinker8531]

Why would BRICS have any say. BRICKS ARE FOREIGNERS!!!., THE BUSINESSES INVOLVED ARE SOUTH AFRICANS, !!! BIG DIFFERENCE!!! WE CANNOT DICTATE TO RUSSIA< CHINA< INDIA ABOUT THEIR INTERNAL AFFA|IRS WHAT MAKES YIU THINK THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO EVEN SAY ANYTHING. KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RIGHTS OF CITIZENS AND THAT OF FOREIGNERS.

[@Tinker8531]

@@aobakweCup326D Nonsense point. Why would BRICS have any rights to say anything. Imagine SA tells Russia, China, India, Brazil about their internal politics. BRICS are an economy pact not an extension of each others countries. This businesses who has a lot to say are South African businesses and CITIZENS. Just because SA is useless on illegal immigration, does not mean we are fair game for everyone to dictate to us.

[@MKL_D]

Brics has no say on this. This is our country.

[@xbusika]

@@Tinker8531 Yet the so-called "west" has beeen trying to dictate policy via the da. Are they not "foreigners"? I'm sensing some delusion here, on your part.

[@annomario]

cosatu must just shut up...their members have decided not to give their ally a majority, so they are in no position to dictate as their members have spoke

[@art2themax]

They worried that their bread will not remain buttered on both sides. great analogy sir.

[@amm7088]

To the unions where were you when all the noise on state capture was going on !!! All you are worried about is making sure the in increases of workers are maxed even if it is to the detriment of companies in this dying economy !! WHY!!! because you have to line your own pockets

[@Sonnix748]

COSATU so arrogant .. incredible

[@tearyb]

I’ve noticed that some commentators label DA a white party and is therefore racist. What about the fact that EFF is a black party and they are also racist.

[@sanelisepapo7191]

So you're not denying that DA is a racist party then... so is a large base of the DA's constituency.

[@miehleketokwinika6060]

I think it would be helpful to address the south african meaning of racist. DA racist: Refers to a racist group which seeks to defend their minority superiority. EFF racist: Refers to a racist group which seeks to redress the inequalities created by the DA racist. Learn the difference.

[@paulnbarros1400]

Their policies define them, unfortunately

[@theprimordialvoid]

@@miehleketokwinika6060DA defending their minority superiority by making black people much wealthier lmao

[@samsamlall4118]

These unions should stay out of this election 😢

[@phillipblunt]

The DA has become the scapegoat for accountability

[@SGB-hq4dk]

Christo Wiese was the biggest private market employer ever in SA… so, what are you talking about my buddy? These people invest in SA, the ANC stole, and has the audacity to push monopoly capital propaganda.

[@marabunya]

Rubbish. Wiese was looted billions by his own white buddy called Jooste with the collapse of Steinhoff. One good example of grand theft that has nothing to do with the ANC.

[@toyle77]

who are majority workers of those christofer wiese businesses? whites?

[@fanamlawuli6761]

Who cares! he is one man, if he wants this country, he must form a political party, or he must voetsek

[@mthobisizondi2410]

Still is because there are no robot cashiers so far What we are saying is the billionaires must reinvest their trillions of rands they made within this country into this country to stimulate the economy. Of cause the government must play a vital role on their part as well but the billionaires should invest as well not just hoard their wealth

[@governormadea5937]

Why do people think that business interests are different to that of the rest of the country ?

[@MabhenaMabhena]

Because it is

[@SoultyBoiBeats]

They don't care for people but profits, you poor, they don't gaf

[@singathazwane8868]

Businesses want to privatize SOEs, it all about their interests than ours

[@garethmckerrell6888]

@@singathazwane8868 LOL maybe if the SOE's were actually WORKING, the private sector wouldn't need to step in and keep SA functioning. Every single state entity or department, is broken. But it's nobody's fault but the private sector??

[@innocenthapazari8699]

On point! What is that animal called "business interests" that ought to be considered vs "national (majority) interests"? In a democracy: majority interests = national interests; isn't it?

[@undefined3248]

Imagine creating 300k jobs and then being told you don’t have care for workers by an organization that created almost a 50% unemployment in a country..

[@markriordan9010]

Exactly....such bullshit thinking. I guess rhe 300k jobs were all, obviously, given to Whites !!

[@andilenongeni872]

300k jobs? How many factories have you created?? We must not call EPWP intervention, jobs please.

[@DrMJ2]

This conversation needs economic mind not emotional mind

[@mduduziMavundla7242]

Cosatu you are arrogant you are inline with the ANC but you refused to apologize to south Africa

[@dilatlhwanesenne4911]

Cosatu is anc extension. They are afraid that they might loose their gravy train. They don't care for workers

[@biko8229]

Can the "markets" really win this contest of our policy position Would that mean we've totally lost our sovereignty to the markets?💔

[@nhlanhlamahlangu2895]

In the U.S markets are happy for Trump? but he wants to do away with immigrants mostly from S. America even E. Musk promised to build a wall in Texas but in Africa when Africans seeks self determination markets must be angry?

[@ordman3351]

All the countries

[@AlizabelaRosa]

The markets will suck us dry and then move overseas when there's nothing left.

[@Ooutssidder]

But people living depending on market,government spending from tax on market and unions workers salary paid by market.

[@MaximilienDanton]

We live in a global society. Ignore the markets at your peril

[@mookimoves9469]

"I don't understand what apology " says it all

[@keithmarais603]

The sooner people realize you can't change the past, but you can change the future, and we will see meaning full change. For 30 years Government try to change the past, and it took us back as a nation instead of forward.

[@mahareng]

True. 2024 polling results have shaken most consciouses/ opened the eyes of most: compromise,leave a rigid position, be inclusive in the true sense...leave out those who want to settle the political scores. All the races n tribes have needs...be considerate visibly ❤

[@mrmsiza5482]

Yes definitely, more open conversations about the DA need to take place . The are the biggest group of hypocrites

[@Vasbyt6540]

Shame😂😂

[@rockpoppets6182]

DA have done more for the poor people than the other parties

[@fanamlawuli6761]

@@rockpoppets6182 for you the privileged, the da has done nothing for black majority, absolute Nothing

[@garethmckerrell6888]

Would love to see the salary figures of the union bosses. Would be very interesting

[@reginaldgeorge3291]

🇿🇦 has enough hunger and suffering 😢 😔 😪 😫 of its own citizens, 😢have we gone 😢 blind 😢 🤔 that we don't have it around us to see 😢 it .empty is appsent 😭

[@phumlamazibuko3003]

Your Ppl in Netherlands ✈️✈️✈️✈️✈️

[@funchabs8667]

Next time Xoli please invite from cosatu someone who has ideas, who contributes to the common agenda of the discussion not him trying to be smart with ideas he doesn’t have at all, he is workers number one enemy

[@BongumusaDuma]

Well said cde i dnt knw how do you elect umunt okhuluma kanje kwi top position

[@funchabs8667]

@@BongumusaDuma he is totally naive and clueless Listen to how the other guy gave answers, point by point him he was the one avoiding all questions and started asking his own, he ended up looking stupid and quarreling with himself like a springbok in headlights

[@fela1489]

if people want the DA in government then vote for it. I'm no ANC voter but the ANC is the dominant party and has a right to pick its partners. it's democracy!

[@SbongokuhleNgobese]

Xoli is in trouble 😂😂 these guys are dealing with his mandate for the day

[@afropoet]

They have him sorted. He thought he could maintain his line but a bit impossible now

[@inathimayekiso4094]

Kubuhlungu lol

[@MK-gn1nz]

The guy is adamant on "revolution". Soviet revolution

[@ceciliamungofa7374]

Mr William put it clear. South African businesses must also contribute. The prople of SA have spoken. They also want bread buttered on both side of the slice.

[@jameskillu9171]

Business owners voted, like other south africans,

[@sunnyboykaphioa2782]

I agree with Mike ,we need coalition that will benefit everyone in South Africa not the business or the markets .

[@mabidikoethakasomokoena385]

That's the arrogance we talking about when we say people were tired of nxa cosatu 😡😡😡😡

[@EdwinMbewe-wu9jd]

That black man hi is speaking to me ,Nice one sir

[@daniedekock9012]

I wonder where the money will come from once business decide to leave South Africa. Invstors turn away and more jobs are lost.

[@MBReader410]

Ideology over pragmatism.

[@lungamasuku6872]

In South Africa!!Yes !!!because we must!

[@sizwemavundla9599]

Ideology doesn't put food on the table.. You can't eat ideology.. You can't pay your bills with Ideology.. Without a working, vibrant economy, the country is doomed..

[@jamludentertainment]

What is the difference, with all the parties? DA Capitalists who supports the Imprerialistic agenda of Israel

[@marabunya]

Humility and the ANC in the same sentence? No bro. Those things just don't sound right together.

[@gavenmoretlo7342]

I think the best way to go is the government of national unity by inviting some left and right politcal parties to govern together.

[@musanxumalo-lh7rj]

Cosatu and SACP are dependent on ANC, if they talk bad about them they will go hungry so no matter what the Big Boss says you take it even if you dont like it.

[@lf5378]

You are correct .. look at who's bread has been buttered and creamed and now they risk losing the power to loot ! Country and people ahead of politicians

[@SibongileMapeka]

If anc does not want to go coalition with DA we trust our God to lead.thathaindawo yakho nkosi we pray in the mighty name 🙏 of Jesus Christ.lefatshe Kela Gago letsohle tse di mogolona Amen 🙏🙌

[@gilbertmadondo2847]

Oh man, this Cosatu man oozes arrogance, I can smell it from this far.. 😢😢😢

[@vlingwathi]

If i was the ANC, in times like this i will want to hear from the people directly by some way e.g. referendum or look at where it got more support and hear what are those ( urgent things) poeple want addressed consolidate creat a program based on that implement monitor right from the word go. It will be better than the so called NEC deciding for the country. Implementation must be visible urgently and directly touching lives of people in a shortest time as possible.

[@benjaminnivison5229]

everyone is talking about "listen to the people" . well then lets listen, The ANC took 41% and The DA took 22%, therefore the 2 most popular parties are the ANC and the DA, so if these two parties worked together that is literally exactly what the country is asking for. The EFF took 9% . The vast majority of South Africans do no trust or approve of their policies. Can we all just step back and look at the facts

[@tlhaketaioe1601]

You can't dictate want needs to be done. Your DA is arrogant just like you, their Polisies are not in lign with the ANC polisies. You were busy calling anc corrupt, why have you changed now? You think blacks are Dom. The coalition will all be to benefit yhe blacks. They are the majority in all the %.

[@MariaMotaung-bi4nz]

Arrogancy will put you way more than you are now. Just accept you failed people move on and change that's simple

[@Technology24]

This guy who agreed that Ramaphosa must not pay public servants their salaries and blocked a strike comes here and tell us about the DA and Toni Leon.The DA is not in government you won't fool us Wena useless.COSATU is nonsense.You don't represent any worker but your stomach.

[@MandlenkosiPetrusHadebe]

Why you see that now why you never called Ramaphosa in order...and the arrogant Mbalula they think SA is owned by the ANC....now you still do the same keeping Ramaphosa than putting south Africa first.....thats how you will disappear

[@KennMorris-e1d]

We can do away with all deputy ministers, an MEC of the particular department can stand in for them if Ministers not available, this new education cirruculim # government introduced new curriculim with useless subjects you can use to apply for only Diploma courses at a university, even government institutions dont recognise the very same stupid subjects at school when you want to apply for a government jobs, education system was working fine and effective, you dont change something that works and teachers are threatened if pupils dont perform in this very same stupids subjects which are so useless after matric

[@ordman3351]

The doomsday scenario pitch is aimed to convince their own supporters, it fits in the narrative they've been working ever since

[@AlizabelaRosa]

ANC/DA coalition is my doomsday scenario, say goodbye to supporting Palestine, getting health care or land reform.

[@henryford6804]

Because it is, and I actually hope it doesn't happen so you people learn a lesson. I don't support the DA, nor do the white people I know support the DA, but they are far better economically, which attracts investors because they have a proven record of running a province far better than any other party. Keep in mind that this is with the economic downfall of the ANC and WITH the Western Cape only receiving a small portion of the profits they make back to do work in and around the province. I hope the ANC chooses MK or EFF so you can see what it is like to lose investors as soon as the news drops. The rand will probably go to R25 to the US dollar in the first month, inflation will skyrocket and you will suddenly not be able to pay for food. Please keep this comment safe, so you can come and read it again after it happened and try to make sense of it then. I know you will argue now because you people think that the "big scary WHITE apartheid DA party" will start apartheid again. -> 7.5% white people in this country (we barely still vote, because we've already lost hope).

[@faa9261]

@@henryford6804nobody is scared of you people, you should be afraid of us💯

[@Frasweiler]

​@@henryford6804 l dont know how l can make Sans understand this, also fighting white people is not fighting inequality , because now its more like they are saying they dont even want whites in SA, threatening their peace and existence has already affected the economy , Eff is scary, Mk is scary , Anc is good as Zanu pf....people didnt even listen to Mk Manifesto

[@xbusika]

@@henryford6804 All I got from what you've just said is fear-mongering. It's amazing how you can speak with so much certainty that the "rand will probably go to R25 to the US dollar in the first month, inflation will skyrocket". Well, if that happens, let it. This country needs people and institutions that are willing to put the needs of the people first. ANC/EFF/MK's policies are aligned. So they should focus on tending to the needs of the people first. Whoever or whichever institution wants to be part of that mission will jump onboard and be part of that progress. I'm happy to see go the ones who're against the people. What makes South Africa a great country is its people. Put people first, and the rest will fall into place.

[@thabangtlhavani6269]

Thank you Mr Shingange🙌👌🌹💯😇😎

[@maurchesnyman3955]

What workers? Almost half of SA is unemployed. First you need to get people employed, stop cader employment, level the playing field so that EVERYBODY have a fair chance to get employed and stop the nepotism before accusing DA of going against the workers. It is the DA who created the MOST jobs in SA. It is in WC where unemployment is the lowest.

[@ianthomas7819]

These two are so clever, why are they not in a political party or parliament.

[@harleyfong5784]

Good guys Who seeks the interest of SA

[@noturbusiness8484]

The DA is NOT racist!

[@FulufheloRamutula]

Anc/Eff Coalition

[@AlizabelaRosa]

Yes, and if they add AJ and GOOD they get 201 national seats.

[@Vasbyt6540]

Won't happen,go and buy your blue shirts so long

[@tumelojasonmngadi7893]

That makes 50%

[@mossfairy3060]

ANC IFP DA the coalition that can save SA from the thieves in eff mk pa ... it's a no-brainer

[@zonabimombeyarara8875]

APATHEID is over.Will never come back AGAIN.Tell this to all F O O L S

[@vut_zarco]

I am now dumber having watched this

[@StevenMkhatshane]

ANC must do coalition with DA

[@Cper2000]

31:53 COSATU don't understand the concept of Government of National Unity...different parties bringing different aspects to the table, you can have your foreign policy, economy, health, immigration etc etc and maintain your party view while having a discourse to the betterment of the Country of South Africa. For goodness sake it's Wednesday going into Thursday, going into nearly a week since the elections. THESE OLD PEOPLE ARE HOLDING THE YOUTH BACK!!

[@ZeldaDuplessis-u3e]

EFF wount help Zuma wount work they want the anc.DA is difrent from the anc to go for the da is good they wil watch each other and no corruption in the anc.

[@janineroux2398]

Slag off the DA if you must.... There are an awful lot of social problems and chaos to repair that may be beyond your remit

[@renniedavis2104]

ANC STILL CALLING SHOTS. WITHOIT DA GELP? IT SAYS IT A,L.

[@zilindilekelepu2816]

Ooooh COSATU lihlazo yena

[@XolaniSydney]

So coalition it wont cost our economy and currency

[@celestbutler702]

Avoidance Avoidance - full of it

[@greentequiero3029]

Xoli ,Mr Shingange is just a typical example of the kind of intelligence deprived leaders we have kept all along in the most important sectors of country,arrogant ,not accountable, narrow minded,power has kept them empty headed and idiotic,but gradually they will all fall on their own sword just a matter of time,he knows nothing he can't answer simple questions instead he resorts to defensive mode,Donovan was excellent

[@MK-gn1nz]

Employers need workers. Workers need Employers. Therefore DA needs COSATU. COSATU needs DA

[@MLUZIKSOUNDS]

It kills Xoli to interview individuals whom are not aligned to his agenda😂😂. Newsroom must only give him DA and Capital representatives.

[@sallyramabu2503]

ANC EFF and MK coalitions, is a big No. Chaos, fights, courts. Mike is arrogant and not willing to engage.

[@cysandracysandra3102]

I dont think there is a party that loves courts more than DA in SA

[@thabisokhumalo5929]

Work with the DA and that 40% you got ,next elections will be a luxury 🤞

[@skhumbuzokhwela3050]

Ds cosatu guy is very Arrogant

[@cheznone9296]

Unfortunately when you go to Gauteng under ANC and you look at Alexander that is worse than it was in the apartheid system, look at katlehong, diepsloot rosettenville hillbrow Mayfair, Johannesburg city. So please don’t tell us how townships look under the DA WHO LED THE DESTRUCTIVE STRIKES. Tishwane is recent proof of striking workers under union directive destroying trucks busses, and other city property. My feeling is unions who can’t control their members during objection and marches for worker rights - should be sued for damages caused by a demonstration under their auspice. Not taking away the right to strike but the right to destroy.

[@loverttakawira_BornSpiritOfGod]

Why is he apologising, its psychology of business, not all of us are dump

[@rockpoppets6182]

Yes DA has improved those areas you are suggesting are the same

[@mandisimzulwini1083]

Mk & IFP will run KZN together. National Anc + Eff + Pa + Mk .... Mpumalanga Anc + Eff .... Gauteng...Anc + EFF + Pa...

[@feliciabosch8110]

The poor people don't have jobs it's crazy vote for who ..no one seems to care what about the poor men and women on the streets looking for work it's sickening and disheartening

[@phumlamazibuko3003]

Jan van Rreebeick came in 1652 stole the land and perished our ancestors

[@phumlamazibuko3003]

Jan van Rreebeick caused all this mess

[@undefined3248]

The DA cares and they actually create long-term jobs in an environment where jobs are being lost

[@kansiiimebrian5254]

Xoli u dnt want it to be about DA but its DA making a lot noise. DA is offering to pay lobolo for ANC to marry it. This will be a forceful marriage. It will end in tears

[@michaelmcgrath3967]

I think I paid more lobola to my wife’s family than the DA will pay to the ANC, lol

[@ThibushiSimon]

Cosatu is dead

[@eunicemalinga1429]

DA has to remain in their position.We need a coalition that embraces all the people of this country.The country has to move forward and point of note workers are just integral part if this country we don't need DAS ideology of cheap labour in this country.

[@AzanianVoice]

Finally Sense spoken, the DA's Narrative is just Nonsensical

[@GracepatiMotsumi]

Enough is enough Ramaphosa and fikile Mbalula are in the same whattsup group they must go

[@zonabimombeyarara8875]

Why does Lindiwe S think poor people must vote ANC

[@asante.c]

ANC's "Zuma wing" decided to leave and vote for their own party. All this "the people are tired of the ANC and want them to work with the DA " narrative is total nonsense.

[@reaganmacdavid]

When the ruthful regime of Apatheid South Africa was at its Apex, the USA supported. When land was grabbed from the locals by European foreigners, the West rejoiced. ANC should not be worried about who is going to be pleased or not. Its about what do you want to define yourselves as which the world must accept you as. Otherwise, you politically free but ever social economically colonized.

[@leandreiziduha6976]

If DA is racist and ANC is corrupt but they are willing to work together in government. As ANC renew itself and get rid of corrupt elements within themselves at the same time DA will get rid of racists ideologists. Political tolerance is needed at this point and time for the benefit of the country and it's people.

[@petermichaelstaffen3433]

i would not mind if these people that think they know what they talking about start worring about SA and not there pockets , SA is for all the people that live in it

[@MrMarcusMars]

cosatu guy dont see a need to apologize!! wow!!

[@sasha8664]

Steenhuizen would be the best to alleviate poverty

[@jonassavimbiunitaparty6876]

DA must alleviate poverty in cape flats,Mitchell's plains,Langa and khayelisha townships first we can analyse that

[@LexLuther-gw1km]

The inequality in Cape Town still puts me on the edge of

[@TsakaniTeressia]

Anchor is a buyer's......newsroom is captured..they always protect DA......xoli......you are buyers

[@afropoet]

Even these endless discussions of the DA as an option. There has been a number of program on this topic. All of them are plants. There's an agenda at work here.

[@tearyb]

It’s spelled biase or biased, Mr 30%

[@tearyb]

It’s spelled biased or bias u 30%

[@LynetteS1]

SANCO understands better what a constitutional democracy means and, in particular, the RSA Bill of Rights. Sadly, history has shown that co-governing with a block that has a narrow vested interest such as labour, will, ultimately bankrupt a country and destroy a vibrant economy. Labour has done a great job in protecting worker's interest but has forgotten the big challenges facing SA such as poverty, unemployment, failed health & education.

[@gh46gh82gh]

So many sorries....

[@daniedekock9012]

They look like the 80’s because of gangs and crime my friend.