Ancient Emulator plays Modern TAS - SMW "warps" in

[@typhoonthunder]

graphics - 8/10 sound quality - divine masterpiece

[@notIndecisive]

oh hi

[@fungo6631]

The graphics actually look kinda alright if you use 16 bit color VESA 2.0 mode.

[@norsechipmunk]

Ohhhh holy molly that c r i s p audio

[@exxor9108]

Rather... it is c r u s t

[@sobble_p]

especially at that ghost house fight. those breakable block sounds are ubercrispy

[@lucianothewindowsfan]

It almost sounds like those bootleg SNES emulators for PS2.

[@undefined06855]

The ending song isn’t too bad

[@cabbusses]

Has anyone done a rip of any games in old ZSNES music form?

[@aturchomicz821]

-To make this video, ZSNES was running inside the DOSBox emulator, running inside libTAS, running on Linux inside a virtual machine on Windows. Man these videos just through their production effort are just killers through and through, Amazing🥺

[@chlorobyte_projects]

the virtualization of Linux could have been skipped by, yknow, actually running Linux

[@LukeSaward]

@@chlorobyte_projects not everybody has the time or ability to dual boot or live boot Linux.

[@chlorobyte_projects]

@@LukeSaward ??? All that is really standing in the way is whether you can get a really cheap USB stick or not.

[@undefined06855]

@@chlorobyte_projects and how long it takes to download it, and a understanding of linux and waiting for the setup and picking the right distribution etc

[@chlorobyte_projects]

@@undefined06855 ... the same applies to a virtual machine as well? You still need to grab an ISO and install it into the VM. "an understanding of Linux" is highly debatable too. It is advantageous, but you don't need to know the inner workings of a Linux system to use it. The "waiting times" are not skill based whatsoever and so they do not make any sense. You can do whatever while your ISO is downloading, and even while your Linux system is being installed - you can literally open a browser and go on KZbin to watch random stuff during installation.

[@nthSonata]

I unironically love the audio quality in this, it's so jank

[@Blankult]

Only true gamers appreciate the jank

[@simplyrenirambus2982]

SMW Athletic kinda sounds like the GBA version in the oldest ZSNES version

[@johnclark926]

This needs to be a new retro aesthetic, the “rough snes emulator from 1997” aesthetic

[@Aeduo]

I've never used such an old zsnes but i could maybe have some nostalgia for the crunchy sound of somewhat later versions. :D this stuff is old enough that people were using emulators in their childhoods who are now adults. Some of the music gets a bit of an earthboundy detuned stink. :D

[@joaonitro5149]

No it doesn't.

[@johnsimon8457]

@@Aeduo my first version of ZSNES was 0.3 which predates the New vs old graphics engine and the sound was never this gnarly.

[@timothyoswaldtei3047]

Square Enix does this with all their remasters, actually.

[@MailMainbutnot]

@@joaonitro5149 why do you hate fun

[@Gameboygenius]

Apart from the audio, I'm positively surprised. To me the question wasn't if it was going to desynch but when. But it never did.

[@BrunoVisnadi1]

I would guess that, besides lag, only things like uninitialized memory could desync here - and they don't come in play in this run

[@0DRONZER]

i love how everything sounds weird but the athletic theme sounds like it should

[@MrCheeze]

Don't you understand what you've done?? By putting Loss back in time, you've completed the closed time loop that led to its existence in the first place!

[@plushifoxed]

*T I M E P A R A D O X*

[@computerkillthisman2917]

TIM BUCKLEY REPLACES PENNY ARCADE NOW

[@JamesJAKAZeldaboy14]

BUCKLE UP CHEEZE. LETS DO OOT ON CORN

[@maxfecteau]

Love the implication that this TAS is going to cause the miscarriage that led to the comic

[@SuperFromND]

1:09 hahaha this sounds exactly like the GBA mario world athletic theme im surprised that this worked as well as it did though, i guess the actual CPU emulation was pretty accurate but the sound chip wasnt quite there

[@TheRidiculousR]

Im guessing the cpu emulation was probably not the best but because mario world was practically the first developed snes game it didnt use any complicated advanced techniques so it just works

[@ryanlovesmicrowaves]

Some parts of the sound emulations sound actually accurate so I’m wondering if maybe it was released while sound was partially in development

[@DaVince21]

@@ryanlovesmicrowaves Of course sound emulation was still in development but they released what was finished. The parts that sound accurate are the ones that happen to use samples that have matching tone heights, but I can tell this ZSNES release was made before they implemented something that pitch shifted all of the instruments to play at the correct tone heights.

[@robertorbiniii1678]

That's an understatement

[@Aeduo]

@@DaVince21 envelopes seem to be quite broken too. what's tone heights though? Didn't seem they were all that far off and a few extra things would've gotten 90% there, but unfortunately, zsnes never quite got to correct audio, with the majority of games having odd artifacts and inaccuracies even in the latest version.

[@eternal221]

Whats funny is that even though this audio is wrong its still recognizable. plus the graphics are pretty on point.

[@burp2019]

somehow athletic is completely normal

[@smd89xx]

The athletic theme is the most normal thing in this emulator

[@TheRidiculousR]

All the instruments were off pitch by some amount, but because athletic only uses one instrument everything was equally off-pitch, effectively masking the issue. I think the crust unironically sounds good

[@GuanlongX]

Man, even with the ancient, crappy (now) audio, that key unlocking sound is still the best thing I've ever heard.

[@PaulFisher]

It’s like the THX noise!

[@nicocchi]

Man, if not for ZSNES I wouldn't have played a good bunch of those games because lmao south america. I'm really impressed the run didn't desync and the sound is obviously the star of the show for all the wrong reasons. That said, I never really experienced this version of ZSNES. By the time my uncle got his hands on the emulator, a bit after the N64 release ZSNES was already competent enough that it was pretty much completely accurate to the actual SNES for a good amount of the SNES's library. Water transparency effects absolutely did not work though. Gotta disable the graphics layer 3 or Megaman games are just unbeatable. Nowadays, it isn't your first choice of SNES emulation over something like bsnes, but ZSNES is still a pretty competent choice if you're fond of its unique gui. It really has its own charm. Also obligatory "it is always morally correct to emulate Nintendo games" :)

[@Blankult]

Same here, i wouldn't exist without emulation

[@lucianothewindowsfan]

@@Blankult Me too.

[@jadsi]

@@Blankult EMULATION W

[@Known_as_The_Ghost]

"ZSNES was running inside the DOSBox emulator, running inside libTAS, running on Linux inside a virtual machine on Windows." This is absurd. I love it.

[@PaulFisher]

the logical next step is to run it all in emscripten in a browser

[@Known_as_The_Ghost]

@@PaulFisher It's actually crazy how much it took to make this TAS. Having to daisy-chain all of these things together. With that said, yes. We definitely need more. lol

[@PaulFisher]

@@Known_as_The_Ghost TAS in Kubernetes

[@warmCabin]

MWEEEERP I actually had my first TAS-like experience with ZSNES in 2009 or so! I stumbled across the record/play movie feature in the menus. I wondered if I could record in slow motion and play it back at full speed, and sure enough...I could. It was amazing to see which game features felt sluggish and which still felt snappy and responsive. It was even more amazing to watch a superhuman version of myself play through the game with perfect reflexes. So eventually I discovered Kaizo Mario World, as all Mario nerds in 2009 did, and thought I'd record a movie on it. I ended up getting stuck in the dolphin section with no savestate to escape to. So I cranked the speed slower and slower, and eventually, at 1/16th speed, I managed to escape with what must have been a frame-perfect jump and beat that section of the level. But somehow I never got into the whole speedrunning thing for another 8 years or so!

[@BohepansTheThird]

The pinnacle of mankind. Thousands of years of societal and technological advancements were all building up to this moment. We have peaked. Time to pack it in, boys, *Mission Accomplished!*

[@Blankult]

Cue the metal slug fanfare

[@NEVERDOORS]

she's running like a dream i have no idea what youre talking about

[@Dragondraikk]

Man, given how dreadful the audio emulation is, I am absolutely thrilled to find out what it sounds like to try a more musically complex game like say Seiken Densetsu 3 or Final Fantasy 6

[@TheRedCap]

I never want to hear FFVI's beautiful music butchered like this

[@lakotacorff4012]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/r5_NdoWgjK6Co7s I'm not sorry.

[@TheRedCap]

@@lakotacorff4012 why

[@lucianothewindowsfan]

How about the _Hebereke_ and _Doraemon_ games.

[@Blankult]

probably wouldn't even boot tbh

[@TheRidiculousR]

Zsnes is so nostalgic to me Whilst the version i used as a kid wasnt quite this level of jank, i remember having a strange controller that snes9x didnt understand and looking for different emulators that did I later discovered i was being stupid and snes9x could use the controller just fine and i was too dumb to understand the interface. I kept using zsnes tho because everyone else was already using snes9x and i had to be original

[@ryonagana]

i kept using zsnes until 2020, now i use some zsnes hack that uses snes9x emulator (from libretro) but still uses ZSNES GUI

[@yelir64]

I almost love how the audio sounds in its own way

[@schwarzenegger_begger8810]

I have to say, it's pretty nostalgic hearing early ZSNES's busted sound emulation again :P

[@csolisr]

5:25 Oh no did you just build L O S S

[@ct88910]

God, I really wanna hear the rest of that Valley of Bowser world map. Bassist might've had a little too much to drink...

[@goattrain]

LOVIN' these tunes

[@Siinory]

It feels like it's done on MegaDrive/Genesis for some reason, I love it! I'm surprised the emulator held up until the end tho!

[@craigtheduck]

the red bowser fight killed me

[@wompastompa3692]

I love the ZSNES gui.

[@shellostara]

I want the whole sound track played with this Ancient Emulator

[@AlyphRat]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/fmW4qHhohNGHeNE

[@FigureFarter]

The sounds of zsnes. It's on youtube and they also got mario all stars

[@wChris_]

Im not surprised at all this works, as its the code that is emulated perfectly and the visuals are... optional.

[@ricedanan]

The best jump sound effect ever conceived

[@pierrecaillou9487]

What an absolute banger of an audio

[@solgaleo3533]

ZSnes tas isn’t real it can’t hurt you ZSnes tas:

[@bbvm]

The intro cutscene's music is so beautiful!

[@MissingNo0001]

i kinda like how the OST sounds with a different key ... if you ignore the ones that mix two keys at once

[@StomperYoshi]

Had no idea AtGames made Super Nintendos.

[@icecreamsamwich]

Weird. and somehow this version of the main map theme sounds kinda nice

[@aturchomicz821]

Star World do be chunking though😳

[@PaulFisher]

The Mario theme in a minor key is…something.

[@petesimon6723]

This is like watching an old car using a modern and powerful engine

[@FrostedGeulleisia]

Why do I want to have all of SMW's soundtrack but played through this version of ZSNES now

[@IntegerOfDoom]

You know what you have to do.

[@FigureFarter]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/fmW4qHhohNGHeNE Here

[@Crust_Crease]

I actually love all of these sounds. Though it is 2am.

[@mads_in_zero]

I don't even mind the sound effects. The fact that it runs at speed is astounding.

[@Owna]

thank you always for all of your content

[@tomrow32]

The kick noise sounds like the old Windows popup blocker

[@asunakasuki3683]

Merry Christmas :3

[@gudenau]

Didn't expect it to work so well.

[@MrChipathenIsMyDoggo]

Somewhere out there, someone grew up with this first version of ZSNES and this was their first experience with Mario World and to this day they don’t think how it actually sounds on an accurate emulator is how it should sound since they didn’t grow up with that version.

[@nothingtheidiot]

8:59 what is this, the sonic 3 signpost

[@centdemeern1]

Watching this video in portrait mode is surprisingly effective.

[@vmrosetta]

imagine Igor's glitchfest TAS on this emulator

[@MilordeLeo]

OH MY GAWD that would be awesome

[@The_Boctor]

never knew you could do this on the switch

[@aturchomicz821]

Destroyed💀

[@Q269]

That was exceptionally impressive

[@sarysa]

I'd say this takes me back, but things got better by the time I started emulating. (either 1998 or 1999) I'm amazed how gameplay stable it is, despite the graphics and sound being a dumpster fire.

[@mayhair]

the graphics are better than the sound

[@qactustick]

So based on the description, most of the heavy lifting is actually being done by the game and not the emulator. The emulator basically just provides the 'aesthetic' being, uh...showcased here. EDIT: Also, it's interesting how with this emulator's audio, the coins sound a lot like red coins from SMW2 when collected!

[@FuelFire]

Holy shit that jank audio. Truly a masterpiece.

[@mryoshi1221]

if someone told me in '97 they prefer buying over emulating after showing me this, somehow... i'd understand . its not a common conversation but im sure someone had it.

[@mx_seitan]

Athletic theme sounds good. Everything else is melted.

[@oggilein1]

The underwater theme is pretty good too compared to the rest

[@papyrussemi2848]

the funniest part is that the athletic theme morphed into the GBA version

[@Owna]

Actually the fact that it's accurate enough to play this is pretty impressive. Did you have to resync it?

[@animowany111]

The description says he had to adjust lag frames, but otherwise it worked because SMW is robust and deterministic enough inside levels (and this run doesn't do weird things like credits warp with open bus or whatever)

[@ShinoSarna]

The palettes are wonky, but I have to admit the red sky behind Bowser during the bossfight actually looks kinda cool.

[@TtEL]

1:43 There isn't even a Mario portrait in the top left corner!

[@Alexs23743]

You sure this wasn't played on a Sega Genesis? It sounds like it. xD Ultra-omega-LOL @ the room before Bowser still being completely bright, even though it's supposed to be dark, followed by the red background for Bowser himself! "To make this video, ZSNES was running inside the DOSBox emulator, running inside libTAS, running on Linux inside a virtual machine on Windows." -On a 1984 Mac? D:

[@Staggger]

The jumping sound sounds like someone just made it with their mouth going VRRR VRRR VRRR.

[@PikaLuigi]

6:11 The TAS tries to go along with the music here, and it's just a little off

[@TheRidiculousR]

I think ol' zsnes handles the music a very little bit slower. That and in the description it says he had to resync the inputs

[@MettanAtem]

Gotta love the screen tearing

[@ΓαΙζεί]

If super mario world was played on an atgames console, this would be it

[@teratogenus]

i'm extremely surprised that the run did not desync, that's impressive

[@rayminishi689]

3:55 I wouldn't have mind hearing the rest of the Donut plain overworld theme. Sounds alittle jazzy

[@TheSolidMidgetOfficial]

The boulder turned into a fucking frog? 9:11

[@LandonEmma]

I have absolutely no idea how this works.

[@sparkax]

at the 9:12 mark, what is that sprite that the black ball Bowser drops out of his clown car turns into when Mario hits it with the Mecha Koopa??? It looks like a frog or Luigi's pants

[@samario7935]

That's actually Peach, just with the Mechakoopa's palette

[@sparkax]

Yea, ok!! I see it!! It's just her head, but upside down and all green, except her crown, which is the white part

[@hoodieninja_7203]

Dangerously crunchy doors

[@aubymori]

the poor sound implementation makes the enemy kill sound sound like the internet explorer notification bar

[@wagnerramosmidichannelabso514]

Ah, yes. The Super Mario World TAS pitched down -5 semitones, but not really.

[@themoneysometimes]

bold of these guys to try making a snes emulator before the others even got nes emulation fully working

[@warmCabin]

Some of the music sounds like those lo-fi hip hop remixes you see on KZbin

[@VaporYTVideo]

I bought this SNES from a pretty neat flea market in Beijing, it's kinda cool- oh no...

[@buivars]

so nice of the vsnes devs to remix the soundtrack for us

[@TheRidiculousR]

Vsnes, the secret version of zsnes that runs in 3D and uses v-sync

[@MusTam.]

"Retro things are so Aesthetic"

[@fedpostah]

Did this TAS really just flex his juggling skills while beating up Bowser

[@TehPoopDood]

I never got to try this early of a version of ZSNES but holy shit, those mushroom sounds! That crispy Yoshi! The reserve sounds! Thanks for unearthing these memories.

[@cabbusses]

I wonder if someday I'd dare try running a TAS on the Sega Smash Pack for Dreamcast...

[@PKMNwww411_MkII]

You could play emulators in 8bpp color mode in the compatibility settings.

[@ZipplyZane]

The only thing that would make this more accurate would be for it to be slowed down to show how it ran on the usual hardware of the day. (In other words, set the cycles lower.)

[@danibanani15]

i didn't even know emulators existed back then

[@tubebrocoli]

oh GOD the donut plains overworld theme

[@DaVince21]

Interesting write-up in the comments. Entertaining result!

[@RareSun]

It sounds awesome while not at the same time

[@OmegaRedX]

For a ancient Relic from 1997 It runs pretty well on 2160p 60fps

[@Vextrove]

I like the audio quirks

[@NCXDKG]

Music reminds me of smw from memory

[@ruler_of_everything]

5:19 Is this... LOSS?!?

[@tobo151]

This man are so fast he changed the Yoshi ethnicity now he's blue

[@EDDY-to2hf]

POV you are an apple user in the year 69420 trying to connect a usb device to your mac the process be like ZSNES was running inside the DOSBox emulator, running inside libTAS, running on Linux inside a virtual machine on Windows running inside ZSNES was running inside the DOSBox emulator, running inside libTAS, running on Linux inside a virtual machine on Windows running inside ZSNES was running inside the DOSBox emulator, running inside libTAS, running on Linux inside a virtual machine on Windows etc etc etc until you get to the port the device uses because that dongle life

[@MarioSonicandNostalgiafan122]

Snes 1989 audio? I mean, Early SMW Sounds for the beta remake seems like

[@Null42x86]

I din't knew that you could tas on ZSNES

[@dogebad]

did you just make loss on the big boo fight.

[@Meta77]

The audio sounds as if the Gameboy advance and Sega CD had a weird deformed child

[@sobble_p]

is it possible for these sorts of sounds to be recreated/used on a modern emulator? im curious

[@schwarzenegger_begger8810]

If you rom-hacked the game and changed the sample loops and playback frequncies, but other than that most likely not. The sound glitches are due to a fundamental difference in how emulators were made then vs now. You would need the source code to a modern emulator and purposely break it to replicate this.

[@sobble_p]

@@schwarzenegger_begger8810 ohh i see. ty

[@AndrevusWhitetail]

ROM corruptions generally do make these weird noises. Just look at Vinesauce Vinny-'s Donkey Kong Country corruptions for evidence.

[@ferociousfeind8538]

huoooagh the lag is real with this monstrocity

[@ferociousfeind8538]

audio c r u s t

[@Blankult]

Oh boy the sound