Ancient Greek History: Lecture Twelve

[@PhosphorusThoth]

Great series of lectures. Thank you for putting these together. I watched all the ones in this set of lectures the last couple weeks, hope you complete it. Ill probably watch your other series of lectures as well.

[@rwrushing]

Hey Keil, it's me again. Ya gotta understand that I am a true autodidact who never had a single second of relevant classroom experience after being the top graduate of I guess the greatest private elementary school on Planet Earth, or one of the few. All I know was that by 3rd grade, I left all those poor "genius" klids in the dust, and all the well-meaning PhD's who taught at that bizarI re secret school for the ultra wealthy. How I walked in there and my parents never paid a cent? Well. Whole other fun story. Point is, I figured out that a few Quality books on any topic were all I needed, and ion those days long before the Internet, when "ask a question" in my part of Texas would earn you a whuppin, one did not ask a question. Also, all the libraries were ferociously guarded by rabid pit bull librarians like bouncers at the doors. Full of books, I once glimpsed. Never saw a single soul ever actually go in and out of the door, or heard of one, and I sure asked around about that. The exception was the local pathetic wanna be liberal arts college, where my foster mother was a globally famous professor of.... tennis. Her little team won the women's collegiate national tennis championship 5 years in a row. Sure, But she told me all the time "Books are evil. Yes, ALL books. Whatever The Bible might say was whatever that preacher said for 3 seconds on Sunday, so everyone could haul ass home and lose their mortgate payment on another Dallas Cowboys shocking loss. So. Naturally, I just atrolled into the mall book store. I was the only customer to ever walk in there. It was the first bookstore chain ever back in the 70's. I just looked at that fat pasty dude at the register and said, "What's cool?" He said Conan The Barbarian Book 1. So I picked it off the shelf and walked right out. Sat down in front of that store and read the whole thing in about 30 minutes. Walked in, grabbed a bag, grabbed the entire Conan series I think 12 slender novels with perfect cover art for a 7 year old, and walked home. Does one call that shoplifting? I was 8 years old. Conan 1 was the 2nd "book" I'd ever read. I never knew what a book even was till Ms. Martin in 3rd grade randomly walked up to me during recess, stuck this weird bunch of paper in my hand, and walked off. Game on. Jump forward to my 50th birthday. I got repeatedly kicked out of every class and every school ever always for simply asking honest questions, such as "What does Truth mean?' Well, they don't know. Now I know no one knows. Conning my way into the Screaming Eagles and running around in the desert as solo Scout for two years doing dirty foolish illegal deeds for USA changed all that. Then some Colonel personally drove me from Kentucky to West Point and said, "You are now a freshman at West Point." Fine. Same deal, first class, ask one simple question, professor can't answer, the other students can't help but giggle, I walked right out, talked my way onto a Greyhound Bus, married the first cheerleader I saw, and was happily married for 23 years 2 kids, non stop reading every quality book ever written. Much more. Point is this: you might be interested in emailing me any time and getting your top top top PhD's on ANY topic to think of the hardest, most obscure question they can think of that use common words (but I'm pretty good on bizarre guild cant, which is what all PhD types care about), and watch me immediately explain ihe answer to any 5th gradesubjectsr better than they ever could. Then completely destroy whatever they think they know about their special field in about 2 questions. That sounds fun. I wish I could just take any kind of test to qualify for a PhD in about 8 subjects and ace them all, then gladly appear before a tough dissertation defense committee and just have them laughing and singing. Then mae a call to a good friend and immediately get $1 billion cash donated to their university anonymously for appreciating me. But I'd rather be a city bus driver on the dangerous homeless route. They actually know real things. That's who I hang out with. Among others. All that said, I certainly have listened to anything called History Lecture on KZbin Red, and I've listened t of yours a few times. All my life I've had what some call "insomnia." I just call it quiet time for more reading. Noyou w that I know for a fact that you are a fun cool guy who really does know all these old books that I love the most and truly loves them even more than I do, and you actually know what you are talking about, you are the kind of one teacher who could have totally changed my life in a second had you just handed me like Plutarch in 4th grade. I would have immediately taught myself Latin and Ancient Greek and would be a classics professor at Fordham, my beloved Manhattan where I just blend right in and feel at home, instead of this blasted bad idea they call ..... Texas. Problem: no one understands Herodotus. He's my favorite guy ever. Thukydides is completely horrible and kills History for anyone who reads the first sentence.... unless you have that one old magnificent translation they were using when I was shacking up with that Vassar girl by Westpoint and just took it with me. Also, I guess Thukydides was a busy guy, running around to speed type all those speeches in various enemy territories. Wow. Smooth talking cat. Probably trained as a court reporter and had a well-oiled steno machine? Or like I do theae days: just hit record on the old iPhone and get someone stranger to transcribe the whole thing for yes five bucks. I do that all the time. The written word was a big mistake, as was agriculture. We all need to go back to Homer and memorizing everything and start over. Except for the iChing Wilhelm Baynes translation, of which I am a master interpreter if you have any simple questions. Unlike those benighted misdirected teachers I had, old iChing never flinches. Lova ya buddy! Hey, I'm starting a new band called THE OLTORFIANS after an 13 year hiatus. My old bands used to tour the world all the time. I think we're just gonna do USA college towns, like the crappy ones no one cares about. Maybe start with like Sam Houston State College by Texas max security prison Huntsville. We're the types who will just randomly show up and play at the entrance to the big Fordham graduation ceremony, only no one will go in because we certainly are all trained hypnotists, so instead of observing this solemn ceremony their parents have slaved for all these years, they are dancing the Funky Chicken across the street. Well, the parents shall say, see what the Libtards did to my kid. Next time? Try dental school or bus driver. Or just imitate Fidel, Ochoa, and Che, like I am now. I'm your Fidel right here.guess at. Best bet? Forbid reading books.Ecclesiastes nailed it: of books there are many, but wisdom? Little. And that was 2,600 years ago. Today, 1 million new books are issued ISBN numbers by LOC every year. Me? I can outwrite any of them. CHe's one cares to And I got all the Ochoa's and hmu rwrushinggmail.com Cool. Bye

[@monikagrosch9632]

As far as I know the Macedonians did not follow the rule of primogeniture but the assembly of the army chose the king out of a group of Royal kin. More often then not that WAS the eldest son of the king, but not a law. When Perdikkas died, his son was very young and so the Assembly wanted an adult and not an infant as king

[@pinchevulpes]

this is the most attractive thing I've heard a woman say, respectfully

[@rwrushing]

Wow, man. You are SO COOL!!!! Keep on. Maybe a multi episode commentary on Plutarch? Or a long form commentary on Herodotus?...;. I could go on and on forever with ideas. I am sadly pure auto-didact--wish I had a prof like you back in the day.

[@mangopine3460]

Amazing series. Do you plan to release episode 13"?

[@ginaibisi777]

Haplogroup will define who is who and they can deny all they want but nobody can change the facts.

[@markossirilas]

Hello everyone,,since wen did the Macedonian king become Greek,,

[@MH-ro1lg]

Shouldn't the word be pronounced with a hard K sound, as in Makadonian instead of Massedonian? That's how modern Macedonians pronounce it, and I thought that's how the ancient Macedonians prounounced it too.

[@matthewadamkeil]

Yes, that's definitely correct. In Greek, it's spelled with a kappa, which is a k sound. In English though we say it with a soft c. It would be an affectation to say it with a k in English, like AOC pronouncing Puerto Rico with a Spanish accent when she's speaking English.

[@ProviderofInformation]

Wrong wrong wrong, Macedonians were never greek. After Philip defeated the greeks at Chaeronea and then went on to form the Hellenic League, Macedon was not a member of that league. Why because Macedonians were not hellenes (ie greek). Arrian speaks of the "racial rivalry between the Macedonians and greeks"( Anabasis of Alexander, Book II pg 119). Is there an example of this racial rivalry, indeed there is. During the greek revolt at Bactria, 3000 Macedonians subdued 20,000 greeks.(Siculus, 'The Libary of History', Book VIII, chap 7) The Macedonians disarmed the greeks and the proceeded to massacre 17000 unarmed greeks in an afternoon. (Arrian writes when Alexander said to his troops "When we have subdued Egypt, we shall have no further worries for greece or our own country" (Anabasis of Alexander, Book II Sect XVII). Alexander clearly distinguishes between 2 countries, greece and Macedon. Plutarch reports what Alexander stated when he addressed his fellow Macedonians and said "...he was winning the inhabited world for the Macedonians", (Alexander 47), he never mentions the greeks. Arrian describes the celebration at Opis after Alexander had conquerored the Persians and said "He prayed for other blessings, and especially that harmony and community of rule might exist between the Macedonians and Persians". Again, Alexander never mentions the greeks. The Macedonians had their own language as reported by Plutarch when describing the Cleitus situation( Alexander 51) and Plutarch in Eumenes 14.5 again highlights the Macedonians had their own language. Quintus Curtius in 'History of Alexander' 6.9.34 talks of the Macedonian language in describing the Philotas situation. Now, the Macedonians elites spoke greek too, but that was because greek was lingua franca. You mentioned the Macedonians had greek names, worshipped greek gods, etc, etc, however the Carians too had greek names, spoke greek, worshipped greek gods, had greek inscriptions on their coins, however, CARIANS WERE NOT GREEK, JUST LIKE THE MACEDONIANS WERE NOT GREEK. Archaeologically, Macedonians were not part of the Mycenean era, which is the birth of greeks, hence again Macedonians can't be greek. Even using greek mythology, the greeks were descents of Helen who was the son of Zeus and Phrrha, while the Macedonians were descended from Macedon who was the son of Zeus and Thyia. Again, how can you conclude that Macedonians are greek? You speak of the Amphictyonic council. Interesting fact, though Philip was given a seat on the council, he could never cast a vote at council meetings, he needed a greek subsitute. Why, because Philip was not a greek and hence could not cast in person his vote at council meetings.

[@chicagogeorge]

The name Makedon is etymologically Greek Macedonians had Greek personal names Macedonians gave their toponyms with words that had Greek etymology Macedonians worshipped Greek gods and participated in Greek only festivals Macedonians spoke a dialect of Northwest Greek with Aeolic influence. In fact proto Greek tribes are said to have first settled in Epirus and Upper Macedonia

[@tatjanavelkova5814]

A L E K S A N D A R and F I L I P -- MACEDONIAN NAMES. English : PHILIP and ALEXANDER THE GREAT ! ! !

[@nicktsouk6943]

The greeks called them barbarians to insult them nor because they where not greek

[@matthewadamkeil]

No, actually, at least not originally. The term is first found in Herodotus, and it is purely descriptive. For instance, he uses it to describe the Egyptians who had a culture which the Greeks acknowledged as being old and venerable. It only came to have a negative connotation later.

[@ginaibisi777]

If they are ancient Greeks how kome Kosovo Albanians have 47 5 E1b1b the same as the Ancient Greeks?!

[@tatjanavelkova5814]

before 25 centuries PHILIP created KINGDOM MAKEDONIJA ! !