Ancient Hungarian Anomaly

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[@latakicsi2183]

same genetic paper said :conquer hungarians /magyars/ originated mainly from huns, goths /germanic/ and sarmatans /indoiranians/ so the 7 tribes were very mixed when they invaded the charpatian-basin...also fun to look a X.century looting map of europa the magyars and vikings never looting the same area they were dividing europa and working alongside

[@leojson7351]

There are at last four (4) more ancient I1-samples found in Hungary. They are called Püspökladány 28, 115, 216 and 384. And apparently they lived during the Viking Age. In the FtDna database we are 271 modern testers related with these, going back to 750 B.C. when the branches split.

[@leojson7351]

I think they might be part of this study from 2022: Tracing genetic connections of ancient Hungarians to the 6-14th century populations of the Volga-Ural region

[@schytoyamnaya9015]

We Archaeologists already knew before the genetical studies that the Tiszafüred and Zamárdi avar age cemetaries carried mostly germanic people who melted into the Avar society.

[@paolosasso2189]

I have often wondered if there was still a network of Gothic settlements that remained in contact with each other.

[@leojson7351]

Personally I think that contact network had to do with the fur trade. One can see a great expansion of hunting in Scandinavia from the Roman age, and the how it spread eastwards. But its hard to prove since the furs dissolve in the burials or elsewhere.

[@garyyakamoto2648]

One of my grandparents (maternal one) HG is I-M233, which first came into Balkans 40-50K years ago. That is mind-boggling. That makes my lineage E-V13 (7K years old in Balkans) very 'recent' arrival in Balkan.

[@dirksharp9876]

Incredible. Now i could be mistaken but this just seems most probable based on the info provided. His story sounds more like his clique of Avars, with this distinctly Scandinavian origin were doing what the ancient Greeks did: A group of them giving up most farming and settled life to go live a free lifestyls as one among the warrior nomads. Europeans seem to have always admired such groups, even if from afar and wanted to live free without bondage. Only the steppe and the sea could really do that for a man's soul in ancient Europe at least.

[@christopherneufelt8971]

The Name Franks, has the same etymology as Freedom in a sense of the people that are traveling and also not conforming. Back in ancient Greece, the Spartans were on the peak of the concept of freedom, having the ability to literally move with few or no belongings without any considerations, something that was admired in the sense that if they disappeared from earth, it was quoted that there will be no trace of their existence.

[@polarny6587]

Yes steppe gave freedom like wild west in US. A lot of polish russian and other people from this area left their home and go on steppe and live here and Create Cossacs culture

[@christopherneufelt8971]

​@@polarny6587 Actually from one census in around 1850 I remember only to read German, Swede and Dutch names, while most of the slavic names were in city areas, obviously due to services provided. Slavic names reappear again at the end of 1800, start of 1900 due to the massive east European migration at that time and again in city areas.

[@leojson7351]

And mr T...798 has the same haplogroup but is not autosomally related and moreover looks different from mr T..509. If I only knew about mr T..798 it would be rather easy to say he was a descendant of the Heruls/Goths. Especially the Heruls who were said to have been subjugated by the Huns for a while.

[@gabork5055]

This also makes me wonder where some Serbo-Croats got the genes for blue eyes from. Was it the Goths? Was it Northern Iranians? (by the way Szolnok is also known for the relatives of the Ossetians, the Jász people though they arrived there at a later date, it's also known for the Cumans and the county is named after these two groups-the latter were a Mongolic or Turkic people but they also arrived later and got little to do with No. 798 in this context) Both my grandparents from the maternal line are blue eyed and that's where i got it from, my grandmother is from Szolnok and her family name literally means Serb, my grandfather's family is originally from Transylvania-Arad to be more precise if my research locating the family and another family close to it didn't fail. These pre Conquest-era findings are some of the most interesting, relatively little is known about that time even in Hungary.

[@boogeyman4937]

What does the question "where did some Serbo-Croatians get their blue eyes" mean? First, Serbs and Croats are not the same people. Both are Slavs, more precisely, southern Slavs, they speak the same language, but due to a combination of historical circumstances, their cultures are not the same. Croats are Catholics and very early fell under the influence of Rome, i.e. the West, while Serbs are Orthodox and were under the influence of Byzantium until the appearance of the Turks. Croats are a mix population of: 1) White Croats (most likely a Slavicized Scythian tribe - the title "Croat" is not of Slavic but Iranian origin, although the Croatian R1a is totally Slavic - which came to the area of ​​today's Croatia at the end of the 8th century), 2) Slavs from the Sclaveni tribe who came to the area of ​​today's Croatia in the 7th century (Neretlians, Konavlians and western Zahumlians) and 3) Pannonian Slavs (of which Karantanians were also a part and were of Vendic, West Slavic origin). The name of the people "Serbs" is also not of Slavic origin. Some speculate that it is also a Scythian title, while others attribute it to the Franks who called all Slavs Serbs, so there are, for example, Lusatian Serbs, who lived in the area that then bordered the Frankish state, and have no genetic connection with the Balkan Serbs. Just around the time when the name of the people "Serbs" began to spread in the Balkans, the Franks ruled the Dalmatian coast and thus bordered the Slavs, whom they called "Serbs"(perhaps, it is only a thesis, there is no definitive evidence). That is why today's Serbs think that everyone around them is a Serb. It is true that the modern nation of Serbs is a mix of: 1) those same Slavs from the 7th century who participated in the formation of the Croatian nation (but not the tribes I listed among the Croats, but eastern Zahumljans and part of Dukljans), 2) part of the Slavs from the coalition "seven Slavic tribes", which were most likely from the Antes tribe, not the Sclaveni (the second and larger part of these tribes participated in the formation of the modern Bulgarian state, that is why Serbs from Serbia are physically more similar to Bulgarians than Croats) and 3) Vlachs, Balkan nomads, a smaller part of which also genetically participated in the formation of the Croatian nation. Blue eyes are common among Croats in northern and southwestern Croatia (higher percentage of R1a haplogroup), while they are rare among Croats from Dalmatia and Bosnia (higher percentage of I2 haplogroup). Among Serbs, they are generally rare (higher percentage of I2 haplogroup), but of course there are some. Of course, in addition to all these Slavic populations that I have listed for Croats and Serbs, both of them also assimilated the pre-Slavic, Illyrian population. Both the Illyrians and the Slavs, as well as the Scythians, are all peoples of Indo-European origin. I hope you understand that nations are not a genetic but a cultural determinant. Even today's Hungarians are not exclusively descendants of Magyars from the 8th century. In fact, wherever I came across some studies on the genetic origin of today's Hungarians (I'm talking about KZbin, it's not like I read books about it), it turns out that the Croats and Slovenians are genetically closest to them. I assume that it is a connection with the Pannonian Slavs. But that does not mean that the Hungarians are Slavs. They are not. All present-day Hungarians are the cultural heirs of the Magyars from the 8th century and everything that happened later that led to the situation we have today. It is a story about all the peoples of Europe.

[@polarny6587]

​@@boogeyman4937Yes ethnicity is a more cultural thing than genetic. South slavs come from probably west ukraine, Moldova and in this area we had multiple tribes like sarmatians goths and Celtic tribes. and on this area around 3AD main i2ph908 ydna spread to the balkans with slavs but before this expansion they come to the arch carpathian region 3BC probably with celts expansion from central europe.

[@boogeyman4937]

@@polarny6587 A few years ago, research was published, I think from an institute in Sarajevo, on which scientists from all major South Slavic universities worked. It turns out that 90% of all carriers of the I2a haplogroup in the Balkans (I don't know if this includes I2a carriers from Greece and Albania) have one common ancestor who lived in the area of ​​today's southwestern Ukraine 2300 years ago. In that area, including southern Belarus, even today there is a significant percentage of carriers of that haplogroup. It is not known whether the ancestors of these people came there with the Goths, Celts or whether they were, as some claim, the remains of the Germanic Bastarnae tribe. It is interesting that there is a "Chronicle of a priest Dukljanin", written in the 12th century (a Catholic priest from medieval Duklja, today's Montenegro), who considered the Goths and Slavs to be the same people. Of course, today we know that the Goths were a Germanic tribe, but the priest did not have the Internet back then, so he wrote as others told him. How and why the Slavs of the 12th century remembered the Goths, no one knows.

[@leojson7351]

​@@boogeyman4937Interesting. And, as i understand it, the Bastarnae roamed around so much earlier than other Germanic tribes.

[@zodiacthefirst3781]

Too bad we cant post images here, you would be surprised by my DNA results, I feel to be a full-blooded Hungarian, yet I have 25%+ Scandinavian roots

[@latakicsi2183]

today hungarians have 10% I1

[@andreiradu7708]

And I suppose you found that bit of DNA casually sailing your viking ship down the rivers of Transylvania, where you settled into the local Maghiar tribes and called it home !???🤣🤣🤣

[@zodiacthefirst3781]

@@andreiradu7708 U have some serious problems, bro...

[@andreiradu7708]

@@zodiacthefirst3781 really? And why is that? You some savvy scientist? What is it exactly you’re disputing!?

[@andreiradu7708]

@@zodiacthefirst3781 Your lot are just hilarious pushing all this far fetched fantastic theories sustaining your false nazi narrative. All I hear is how great a people you Hungarians are… it’s getting tiresome bro!!! You’re not and you never were better than anyone else . In fact quite the opposite

[@andreiradu7708]

Ok 😂😂😂 So now you’re vikings !??? I thought you guys where the original inhabitants of Transylvania, where you not????😂😂😂😂

[@latakicsi2183]

oh rumanians, ignore him

[@InfiniteDesign91]

We wuz Vikangz n shiet. And y'all have hairy feet. Jokes aside, yup huns and hunarians were northern european with asiatic mixture. Deal with it romanian.

[@abseil76]

Nah, they were not the original inhabitants of Transylvania but neither were your ancestors buddy. It was almost always an autonomous state by itself and always chose to stay in union with the Hungarians rather than the Romanians, so get over yourself. It belonged to the Hungarian Kingdom for almost a thousand years, then your country cowardly betrayed its allies and switched sides in ww2 and in return they got Transylvania from the allies. That's how you got the land, not because it ever belonged to you. 🤷🏼‍♂

[@robertgyiran]

I think it's very hard for some people to realize, this DNA-research was conducted on somebody, who lived in the Carpathian-basin BEFORE the Hungarian conquest. Meanwhile they come up with the Daco-Romanian bullshit what they can't support with any archeological evidences :D

[@andreiradu7708]

@@abseil76 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣