Ancient Olmec Origins | DNA

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[@nomaddiaries9790]

You haven't debunked anything. You didn't even tell us the DNA of the Olmecs. Also, why do you keep using Razib Khan? Are you afraid to bring Dejian Yuan and Shi Huang to your show? Real geneticists have already debunked Razib. Genetic science is changing really fast and Razib is using the old school of thought. The new school of thought shows that Neanderthals, and Denisovans had the same blood type as Africans. They came out of Africa and spread across the world. Then another group of people who migrated from East Asia, mixed with the Neanderthals. It was these admixed people who first occupied the Americas before the last wave of Siberians/North Eurasians entered. So were the Olmecs African? Not necessarily Africans of today but rather an ancient African race that mixed with a very ancient East Asian race. That East Asian race was also dark. The Olmecs were absolutely black. Their immediate ancestors on their maternal line was African. References www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/130989v2.full.pdf journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0254175

[@MCfact1827]

@@nomaddiaries9790 good information.

[@skaramush397]

Do a video on the dna of ancient Egyptians and Nubians

[@MCfact1827]

@@skaramush397 they're indigenous Africans. Are we to make believe they're not African?

[@vatolocosforever803]

@@MCfact1827 you know damn well they're not Africans

[@YellowCapeInvincible]

I’m from El Salvador. In my home country so many people look identical sculptures left behind by the Olmecs. They were never African.

[@sammydasilva6152]

@Ibo Robotnik Nope, you are making stuff up.

[@YellowCapeInvincible]

@Ibo Robotnik lol ! There is literally no Olmec artifacts anywhere in Africa. There is one replica in Ethiopia today because the Mexican government gave it to them as a gift as a show of friendship between the 2 nations. This is because the modern leaders of Mexico today are not indigenous. They are descendants of Spanish conquerors and most likely have no idea who the Olmecs were. Stop trying to claim a history that has nothing to do with you.

[@YellowCapeInvincible]

@Ibo Robotnik lol yes. All people of El Salvador are descendants of Indigenous tribes. Toltecas, Maya, Pipil, Lenca, Xinca. If I wasn’t i wouldn’t study my people’s history.

[@YellowCapeInvincible]

@Ibo Robotnik it does not though. The Olmec head sculptures only look like black people because you most likely have never been to Mexico or El Salvador. If you were to visit you would see the many people who live there look identical to those old relics. Big lips and wide noses are not a physical trait that only black people hace.

[@bluebird3281]

@Ahead Of The Curve Switch the word Aryan with the words African/black people/OoA in your diatribe and you will see what a nazi you sound like. They had very similar goof ball theories too. If you are looking for the "black ark" of the covenant it's in Ethiopia. . Of this, Michael Coe, the leading American historian on Mexico, has written that, “there is not the slightest doubt that all later civilizations in [Mexico and Central America], rest ultimately on an Olmec base.” This does not show ,"Michael Coe, the leading American historian on Mexico" Saying any thing about Olmecs being African. Has he ever claimed that ?

[@Elsanta666]

Im olmec descendent, im my home town we have about three small undisturbed pyramids/structures.

[@davelouie131]

⁠ ​​⁠ Apparently mongoloids originated from Andamanese Negrito , andamnese don’t have Neanderthal DNA 🧬 so 60,000 years when those Ananamese left Africa they were still probably Neanderthal and denisovans around. So some of those humans mix with Neanderthals, the Tasmanian people seem to kept some of their original looks, while the aboriginal of Australia seems to mix more with Neanderthals, now they have some that look more like the Tasmanian aboriginal with the Afros, the Tasmanian people attire looks similar to Hamer tribe in Africa, I’m definitely not saying that the Tasmanian people are related to the Hamer tribe but instead saying they probably maintain some of their original customs with red dreadlocks and attire, the Andamamese have a similar religion to the Kamba tribe in Africa , now obviously there not related but there are similarities between them. Now the Batek tribe have a very unselfish culture similar to the Taino Indians, the Olmecs look more similar looking to original East Eurasian people like the negritos and original hawians, Māori people , original Polynesian then they do native Siberians across Russia or Alaska. I believe these two groups mixed up probably. But the California Indians and Seminole seem to be dark Native Americans similar to Miskito Indians, im not completely sold on Miskito Indian only being related to native Siberian’s because technically they look nothing alike instead they look more similar to Cambodian negritos or other negritos or South American Indians.

[@TonyfromTO]

My parents are managuan. Ancestrydna says my American dna comes from aridoamerica, mesoamerica, yucatan and isthmo-colombian region!

[@ClarkeIllmatical]

"We don't have DNA directly from the Olmecs..." The problem is there, you don't have comparison from Olmecs yet, you're trying to compare samples to what you have from 1492, there lies the problem.

[@tommyjohnson6410]

Bro i came on here with and open mind to hear about the DNA and the first words out his mouth was we dont have DNA from the Olmecs wtf

[@bobwilson7684]

@@tommyjohnson6410 it is as crazy as it gets

[@sevenjames5403]

100% agree with that a lot of speculation is science 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@sevenjames5403]

I had a Convo with a Mexican who said he was a descendant of the Olmec, there are no more and no DNA to examine but a lot of wild claims.i ask if he ever took a DNA test he said no 🤔🤔🤔🤔 doesn't make sense

[@wenbo595]

We have dna from people older than olmecs and after olmecs

[@Kalleosini]

Great video, thank you to Razib Khan helping out.

[@MrPurepecha87]

Their is over 300 Olmec Excavations Archaeology work and DNA Haplogroup (A) From Tres Zapotes 1,200 bc and San Lorenzo 1,000 bc and that the Indigenous populations have today.

[@theebob2008]

Afrocentric take on Olmecs has been debunked again! However, there is so much unknown that we should keep an open mind. The fields of archeology, paleontology, and genetics is so interesting, especially when combined.

[@GhostD0G8]

He just said that west African DNA shows up in the Mexican population along with European and Indigenous American DNA

[@theebob2008]

@@GhostD0G8 You misunderstood me. It’s okay, I’ll repeat. The Afrocentric take on Olmecs has been debunked again. I never said that African DNA was not present in the current Mexican population, which occurred after the European invasion of the so called Americas.

[@MCfact1827]

The sickle cell trait, an adaptation to ward off malaria found mostly in people from West Africa, was also discovered in the secluded Mayan tribe, the Lancodon Indians by Dr. Alfonso de Garay, Director of the Genetic Program of the National Commission for Nuclear Energy in Mexico. Oh sure.. Dr. Alfonso de Garay must be "afrocentric". Smh

[@GhostD0G8]

@@theebob2008 I don't see what's so Farfetched about Africans traveling to America back in then.

[@GhostD0G8]

@@MCfact1827 interesting

[@PsalmsPoetic]

We don’t have DNA directly from ancient Olmecs. But based on DNA, we can conclude that they were not African in origin. That tells me everything I need to know.

[@ishmaelbenn4002]

Really 😂

[@josephinetracy1485]

@PsalmsPoetic How about Polynesians? They actually proved that they were able to cross vast oceans, and sometimes can have African-like features.

[@ishmaelbenn4002]

You people are so amazing. The academia theory is that melanated people are the origin of the human race . The Olmecs as the eurocentrism calls them dated it to be hundreds of thousands of years and you are willing to say that they were pale skinned. Humm. Ok. I feel you. I know that need to belong by writing yourselves into our story. The sad truth is that you are soulless mutants. Only being truthful can save you.

[@ishmaelbenn4002]

@@josephinetracy1485 , 😁 African like features , really African like features and doesn't tell you something. If one is to applied some intelligence they would see that melanated people are the Root race.

[@josephinetracy1485]

@@ishmaelbenn4002 All humans have APE-DNA. However, Sub-Saharan Africans have 20% DNA of "unknown hominids" such as Homo Erectus and Homo Habilis... aka APES!! That's why they have those distinct skull shapes and features, as well as that very distinct behavior. Skin color is the most minor difference.

[@j.a.martir6438]

Conserning these type of subjects I do believe that there are biasses, from most if not all sides, that impede better reasonings.

[@wheatgrowssweet]

I would love to hear more about Paleo Siberians!

[@fireinjunred]

Aka Modern “Natives” ancestors

[@bmxriderforlife1234]

@@fireinjunred also the ancestors of the australians but a different group of Siberians same with the denosovan DNA ad mixture in modern humans. Siberia and Africa along with parts of the area between Australia and Siberia and Siberia and Africa probably hiding bare hidden gems for archeology

[@roryanderson2978]

How can European people explain a culture that was here for 50,000 years. In the grand canyon there are artifacts just like the artifacts in Africa. If africans came here from Africa; explain how no one retained their language. Explain how European people first used soap and water was when they came in contact with black people. Our history is written in stone. Caucasian history is written on paper. California was named after Queen Califa. She was black. I'm a history scholar. Spread the truth.

[@tadeozapata4365]

​@@roryanderson2978 Queen Califa is a ficticious queen

[@F4TiMA.]

@@roryanderson2978 PERIOD

[@jjt1881]

It was nice and all that you debunked the African origin hypothesis of the Olmecs. However, I was expecting to know also the genetic origins of the Olmecs. Where did the Olmecs come from? What is their DNA group? Is it the same as the Aztecs, or the Mayans, or any other?

[@ajgraves8016]

They have no clue but somehow can rule out African lol

[@sunrisings292]

@@ajgraves8016 ....Wrong. They have a clue. A lot more than you.

[@sunrisings292]

...."I was expecting to know also the genetic origins of the Olmecs...".---Pay more attention.

[@llehsaderob]

Facts are facts right? We don't know who the Olmecs were. We THINK they're the descendants of the Aztecs and Mayans. Naia (google the wiki) so there might've been maybe not a civilization but most definitely an even more ancient peoples of the area.

[@DerrickPJames]

@@llehsaderob the ppl are still alive. Just like the descendants of ancient Egypt are still alive, a lot of the descendants migrated to west Africa due to invasion and climate change .

[@EternalMedia]

The Olmec peoples and the Warrior Gods depicted by these large heads may be of different origins. What most people dismiss regarding ancient history is racial diversity. We have been conditioned into thinking of single-race domination as the only way to exist. Ancient civilizations were not only advanced technologically, but perhaps they were also advanced sociologically. We haven't wrapped our minds around that.... yet.

[@shaolin1derpalm]

Different tribes killed each other all the time.

[@davelouie131]

⁠ ​​⁠ Apparently mongoloids originated from Andamanese Negrito , andamnese don’t have Neanderthal DNA 🧬 so 60,000 years when those Ananamese left Africa they were still probably Neanderthal and denisovans around. So some of those humans mix with Neanderthals, the Tasmanian people seem to kept some of their original looks, while the aboriginal of Australia seems to mix more with Neanderthals, now they have some that look more like the Tasmanian aboriginal with the Afros, the Tasmanian people attire looks similar to Hamer tribe in Africa, I’m definitely not saying that the Tasmanian people are related to the Hamer tribe but instead saying they probably maintain some of their original customs with red dreadlocks and attire, the Andamamese have a similar religion to the Kamba tribe in Africa , now obviously there not related but there are similarities between them. Now the Batek tribe have a very unselfish culture similar to the Taino Indians, the Olmecs look more similar looking to original East Eurasian people like the negritos and original hawians, Māori people , original Polynesian then they do native Siberians across Russia or Alaska. I believe these two groups mixed up probably. But the California Indians and Seminole seem to be dark Native Americans similar to Miskito Indians, im not completely sold on Miskito Indian only being related to native Siberian’s because technically they look nothing alike instead they look more similar to Cambodian negritos or other negritos or South American Indians.

[@jesusgaytan1353]

My father-in-law looks exactly like that olmec headstone his mexican not african

[@McQueenPress]

Your father-in-law is likely a carrier of West African DNA.

[@broq9194]

Really??!! Your father has a nose as wide as half his face, thick huge lips, prognathasm (jaw sticks out longer than your forehead), and braided hair. Really??!! I grew up with Mexicans in southern California and never saw a Mexican in my life looking like that, much less an entire tribe of them running around together, NOT EVEN ONE!!! You sound like a very pathetic and weak minded liar that hates Black/African people and I am so glad that I am not you. How pathetic you are. I feel great about myself because I tell the truth about history, even when I don't like it. You must feel like sh*t on the inside, and you can lie about that if you like. [your spelling and grammar is really bad so you probably can't even read all of this statement smh]

[@frisco9568]

I still don’t see how this has been debunked or disproven when we don’t have an Olmec body to examine.

[@pbransome626]

We American Indians are the descendants of the olmecs Aztecs Mayans and ancient Atlantians

[@frisco9568]

@@pbransome626 No You’re not

[@pbransome626]

@@frisco9568 prove I'm not ! Go do my family genealogy it showes my people have always been here

[@frisco9568]

@@pbransome626 You look a lot more African than Native American my guy. The Olmec origin is currently unknown, although it’s said that the Olmec share a common ancestor with the rest of americas natives, they have very distinct features.

[@pbransome626]

@@frisco9568 that's because the original occupants of the land where not pale natives! the original occupants of this land is us the original melenated Nijii people of turtle Island

[@ianrobson9601]

"Some groups in the Amazon are somewhat more closely related to the Australasians of Australia and Papua New Guinea than other native Americans are. The genomes show this “Australasian signal” is more than 10,000 years old." Quote - NewScientist Maybe this explains the Olmec heads

[@redman4316]

@Ahead Of The Curve The Australian aboriginals are not African!

[@redman4316]

@Ahead Of The Curve they have some of the oldest dna! That’s all I know! Many natives today have there dna! But that don’t mean the blacks of today are natives!

[@redman4316]

@Ahead Of The Curve my grandma was a full blood Cherokee! She was real dark but her sister was light complected!

[@redman4316]

@Ahead Of The Curve so basically we’re all African? Do you know anything about native culture today? Our story’s?

[@redman4316]

@Ahead Of The Curve I’m a Native American and that is my culture! My mother is white. My wife is full blood and my kids are darker then me! My grandma was darker then her sister. When I say dark I mean almost black but with straight hair. Her sister was almost white.

[@engineersteveo9886]

I’m thinking the Olmec were related to Polynesians

[@davelouie131]

You are right they did trade, you had original Polynesian , original Hawaiians, and Negritos such in Cambodia and the batek people , Rapa Nui people, aboriginal people also, these people probably mix with those Alaskans and native Siberian’s Russians that cross the land bridge because the Miskito Indians looks more like east Eurasians and negritos than they do native Siberian’s, the Olmecs probably was similar to original Polynesian, negritos and Miskito Indians.

[@McQueenPress]

In that case, it stands to reason that the Olmec heads would be on Mexico's WEST coast, the Pacific. Rather than the EAST coast, the Atlantic which connects to Africa. The heads are on the eastern coast which is the landing zone of the Atlantic current direct from Africa.

[@AncientAli3n777]

Like all other indigenous peoples of the Americas, the ancestors of the olmecs migrated across a land bridge that once connected Eastern Russian with Alaska. These people followed migrating animals across the land bridge, before fanning out across the Americas. The ancestors of the Olmecs would have travelled through Northern Canada, down through what is now the United States and into Mexico, where they then settled.

[@broq9194]

Which is why the Olmec sites are found on the exact opposite shore of Polynesia, the same shore as the Africans. But having the Olmecs be anything except African makes you feel better about yourself I know. That's so pathetic. Soooooooo much evidence points to the Olmecs being African, and you can put out fake DNA evidence if you like, DNA evidence that is as easy to fake as chewing bubble gum, and you know this. You must feel really sh*tty about yourself to lie like this for no reason. How pathetic. I'm so glad I'm not you. Good day

[@massimosquecco8956]

A lot of assumptions here, especially without any genetic material strictly related to the people portrayed by the Olmecs, just for that, Mr. Khan has no reason to patronize us with his preconceptions. The range of ethnological traits in Olmec sculpture is quite ample, it was not the case with the Maya or Pre-Incaic cultures, and there must be a reason for this. One of my colleagues comes from Suriname, but his recent ancestors came from Java, no doubt about it. His face is a living, flashy, talking version of the twins' ones adoring a jaguar group found in the 80s. Definitely, his face doesn't belong to the skull variation range of native South Americans, which is quite limited since Khan insists on the already obsolete theory of the Siberian Migration, which implies a limited ( relatively ) range of somatic characters, in fact, his routes are from the Indonesian Islands. Isn't just possible that different people had contact with Mexico in the past but their probable offspring has just been extinguished, as it has so often happened in history to different looking people, for whatever reason, through genocide?

[@chrisrichardson8988]

I photographed my 100% Mexican Father-In-Law standing next to an Olmec sculpture, and they look pretty dang similar.

[@davelouie131]

⁠ ​​⁠ Apparently mongoloids originated from Andamanese Negrito , andamnese don’t have Neanderthal DNA 🧬 so 60,000 years when those Ananamese left Africa they were still probably Neanderthal and denisovans around. So some of those humans mix with Neanderthals, the Tasmanian people seem to kept some of their original looks, while the aboriginal of Australia seems to mix more with Neanderthals, now they have some that look more like the Tasmanian aboriginal with the Afros, the Tasmanian people attire looks similar to Hamer tribe in Africa, I’m definitely not saying that the Tasmanian people are related to the Hamer tribe but instead saying they probably maintain some of their original customs with red dreadlocks and attire, the Andamamese have a similar religion to the Kamba tribe in Africa , now obviously there not related but there are similarities between them. Now the Batek tribe have a very unselfish culture similar to the Taino Indians, the Olmecs look more similar looking to original East Eurasian people like the negritos and original hawians, Māori people , original Polynesian then they do native Siberians across Russia or Alaska. I believe these two groups mixed up probably. But the California Indians and Seminole seem to be dark Native Americans similar to Miskito Indians, im not completely sold on Miskito Indian only being related to native Siberian’s because technically they look nothing alike instead they look more similar to Cambodian negritos or other negritos or South American Indians.

[@davidwhiren817]

Oh yea !!! similar !!! well that proves it !!!

[@TJWill12]

100% Mexican is mixed 😂. The Siberians walked over, mixed with the Africans that had already migrated here. That mix created the copper color people known as “native Americans” 😂 Those kids spread all over North America. The Euros finally made it to North America and did what they do, took credit for everything 😂.While taking credit and stealing, they forcefully mixed with the copper people. Over 7 generations of mixing, you have modern day Mexicans. Look at some of their drivers licenses. You’ll see, Mexican White or Mexican Brown 😂. Go in reverse, humanity and civilizations lead to Africans in every culture. We’d know more if the destructive creditors didn’t destroy most evidence and misinterpret history for self gain.

[@McQueenPress]

Your Mexican father-in-law is likely a carrier of West African DNA.

[@NONANTI]

I pulled my hair back and put a rubber band around it. When I looked in the mirror, it looked like a horse's ass. What's your point?

[@noelramirez1551]

People who say the Olmec heads have African features have never seen a real indigenous Mexican. I've been to remote areas in Mexico and El Salvador and have met real indigenous people from those countries, and they look just like the Olmec heads. The Mexicans people see in the states are mestizos; they have European and indigenous ancestry.

[@eddiecastro5088]

No there is no African origin in the Olmec

[@NoRockinMansLand]

If you're human then your origin is Africa

[@Xanthius2112]

kennewick man's skull looks like a typical polynesian skull. olmecs look polynesian. there have been ancient american skulls that turn up to be polynesian skulls. Just admit it already (sigh) They are Polynesians. I am wondering if the Americas is the great Hawaiki that the Polynesians claimed was their original "lost" land. I'm guessing it was a continent.

[@eddiecastro5088]

I will admit it only problem is I don't see any Polynesian looking Mexican walking around

[@eddiecastro5088]

@@Xanthius2112 keep smoking Crk

[@Xanthius2112]

So educated =)

[@danielleanderson3380]

Can we get a video of you and Mr.Khan on Hyksos Dna

[@augustuscaesar8287]

Such an interesting subject. I'm pretty sure Hyksos Pharaohs were blonde/red hair, blue/green eye Proto-Indo-European types that came to Egypt from Anatolia by way Of Palestine. That would make their YDNA either R1a or R1b.

[@augustuscaesar8287]

@Ario James3 that would make sense, I mean isn't the 18th dynasty the one with Ramses, Akhenaten and Tutankhamun? Ramses and Tut were both gingers. Plus, there was that one genetic study showing that Tut shares like... 70% of his DNA with (white) Americans and Brits, 50% with mainland Europeans, and less than 1% with the current, local population in Egypt. Plus there's the story of how Scotland got it's name, from Princess Scotia whom apparently came from Egypt. The time that would've happened was roughly the same time Tut's sister Meritaten disappeared or """died""". Given that Rh negativity seems to descend from the same route as R1a and R1b YDNA, if the King of the Picts or Dal Riada (I forget which kingdom) married Princess Scotia and had kids, as the story goes, they would've both been Rh-, since Rh negativity is prevalent in Celtic peoples of the United Kingdom and Ireland. A lot of genetic information is confirming certain """stories""". This is why I love this subject

[@Katharsis540]

Good one.

[@Katharsis540]

@@augustuscaesar8287 Check out Ralph Ellis.

[@Dick_Interritus]

I agree with you Danielle, the Hyskos are a very interesting topic to me.

[@McQueenPress]

The only reason the noses weren't destroyed on the Olmec monuments is that the indigenous of the region buried them before the conquistadors arrived. Otherwise, I'm sure they would have been disfigured as the crusaders disfigured the noses of Egyptian art and artifacts. Atlantic current creates a navigational path direct from West Africa to Central America. Ancient African shipbuilding and voyaging has been documented. Sightings of Africans in pre-columbian America has been documented. Negroid features on the monuments and negroid skulls in vicinity of the monuments have been documented by numerous archeologists, craniologists, historians of Latino, European, Black American, African backgrounds.

[@YellowCapeInvincible]

Africans didn’t even make it to the few islands less than 100 miles from their continent before the Europeans colonized Africa. If they couldn’t even make it there. It is literally impossible they came to meso America. Stop with your fake made up history. You desecrate Olmec history to boost your self esteem. It’s very disrespectful to us real natives.

[@dianaraymond9]

Thank you for sharing this information, most enlightening!

[@McQueenPress]

@@YellowCapeInvincible Multiple European explorers documented in their journals the presence of Afro/Negroid people in North America prior to the trans-Atlantic slave trade. These are the Black indigenous of North America who were captured and enslaved alongside Africans and mixed with them to form the Black American race and culture.

[@JakeVeliz]

Do you have any sources you would recommend?

[@broq9194]

@@JakeVeliz Just hit the internet dude, the evidence is everywhere. But if you're a book reader than read "They Came Before Colombus" by Ivan Van Sertima. Racists try and claim they "debunked" this book but they haven't debunked anything. Also, look up "Olmec Hieroglyph Writing" by Claude Winters, who demonstrates that the Olmec writing is written in the lettering and language of the Mende people of West Africa, the exact people who talked about sailing across the Atlantic, and the exact people who grow a native peanut (the Bambara nut) in their land - [peanuts are from the Americas and West Africa is the only land in the world outside of America that grows their own native peanut species - BECAUSE AFRICANS THEY HAVE BEEN TRADING WITH MEXICO FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS AND HAVE DEVELOPED THEIR OWN SPECIES OF AFRICAN PEANUT] All kinds of Mexican food stuffs are found all over West Africa, and all kinds of African food stuffs and crops are found growing in Mexico (before the arrival of Europeans) - because of the trade between Mexico and West Africa for thousands of years. Just keep looking and you'll find more and more evidence proving this, the same way you'll keep finding more and more evidence proving Kemet (Egypt) is of African origin. The same kinds of evidence are found in Egypt and the whyte supremists try and lie about using the same tactics as the Olmec evidence. The truth is that African people invented civilization and spread it all over the world - Africa, Asia, Southern Europe, and Americas. It's just the simple truth, no matter how angry this fact makes so many people. Doesn't change the truth though. Good luck!!!

[@williamjackson240]

Dr. Clyde Aman, Winters DNA reports on Acient pre-Colombian civilizations, particularly the Olmec

[@mirrorx8089]

There is another mural featuring Olmecs in Hyde Park L.A. I'm glad they are calling this B.S. out and its getting removed!

[@twilightgardenspresentatio6384]

That’s what happens when a people gave their history systematically destroyed in an unsuccessful effort to dehumanize them. Those people now look at anything that resembles them in hopes that it might be a link to the history taken from their people as a whole. People are strengthens by their culture. That’s why it was taken from them. That’s why they grasp at anything that could be their history snd stand beside the honor they’ve found there.

[@357Amun]

@@twilightgardenspresentatio6384 That is very understanding of you , but White people were the 1st to say that Africans came to the Americas before Columbus. Columbus said it himself. Other claims made by Blacks are also made by Whites as well. Often times, White people make them 1st.

[@357Amun]

@GOD OF DEATH Who is "we" and where did "we" come from, just before arriving to the "Americas " and when did "we" get there??

[@357Amun]

@GOD OF DEATH ok, so you haven't identified "who" your people are. Also, you haven't said when your ancestors got to the Americas, or where they came from. We know that homo sapien sapien originated in Africa about 200,000 years ago. So the 1st people to come to the Americas had to get there from somewhere else. I can only assume that you don't actually know when, or where your more recent ancestors arrived. So if you don't know these things, how can you say what else was going on 150,000, or 10,000 or 3,000 years ago??

[@Mictlan84]

@@357Amun where are your sources? post them now because your comments are full emptiness

[@prateekyadav9811]

Just wanted to say that I'd love it if you could make commentary over visuals style of videos. They are so much more engaging. I got hooked to this lovely channel by its earlier videos which carried this style. Anyway, keep up the good work guys! Much appreciated.

[@missourimongoose8858]

I would like to see the DNA of the Sami people in northern Scandinavia compared to native Americans because both are said to come from Siberia

[@wfcoaker1398]

One linguist has turned up evidence of a link between the Athabascan (if I remember correctly) languages of North America and the Yeniseian languages of Siberia.

[@davelouie131]

@@wfcoaker1398​​⁠ ​​⁠ Apparently mongoloids originated from Andamanese Negrito , andamnese don’t have Neanderthal DNA 🧬 so 60,000 years when those Ananamese left Africa they were still probably Neanderthal and denisovans around. So some of those humans mix with Neanderthals, the Tasmanian people seem to kept some of their original looks, while the aboriginal of Australia seems to mix more with Neanderthals, now they have some that look more like the Tasmanian aboriginal with the Afros, the Tasmanian people attire looks similar to Hamer tribe in Africa, I’m definitely not saying that the Tasmanian people are related to the Hamer tribe but instead saying they probably maintain some of their original customs with red dreadlocks and attire, the Andamamese have a similar religion to the Kamba tribe in Africa , now obviously there not related but there are similarities between them. Now the Batek tribe have a very unselfish culture similar to the Taino Indians, the Olmecs look more similar looking to original East Eurasian people like the negritos and original hawians, Māori people , original Polynesian then they do native Siberians across Russia or Alaska. I believe these two groups mixed up probably. But the California Indians and Seminole seem to be dark Native Americans similar to Miskito Indians, im not completely sold on Miskito Indian only being related to native Siberian’s because technically they look nothing alike instead they look more similar to Cambodian negritos or other negritos or South American Indians.

[@justinyglesias5383]

It would be cool and a fun study. I’m 89percent mesoamerican but have 10 percent mixed of Northern European along with a percent of Inuit. It’s hard for me to figure out why my ancestry is that way.

[@missourimongoose8858]

@@justinyglesias5383 alot of Northern Europeans went to the artic for awhile to work in the fur trade, most would only do it for a little while and work in shifts but after aa few seasons most found something easier and the fur trade didn't last that long so maybe ur white grandpa went trapping in Canada and managed to snag him a sexy seal clubber before ur family said screw the cold I want to be on a beach with a modelos lol

[@ClarkeIllmatical]

Problem, the geneticist starts by saying that don't have OLMEC data to use, SOOOO.... what are you testing?

[@reptilesspurky937]

Modern populations.

[@facade538]

The genetist is not well read on everything, Ann Cyphers released the DNA results of Olmec. They're were Native American.

[@ClarkeIllmatical]

@@facade538 The DNA she found may or may not have been Native American. The problem you have and that she has with her theory is that the art of the olmecs DOES NOT MATCH THE ART created by the so called Native Americans of that time period. In addition, the burials she found may or may not have been olmec. She found two burials that may or may not have been from that time period and this does not mean that they were Olmec. Will take more. Her theory is respected, but it is based on very weak evidence.

[@facade538]

@@ClarkeIllmatical Ann Cyphers is an Archaeologist whose focus has been the Olmec culture. She oversees the San Lorenzo Tenochtitlàn Archaeology Project, she works directly at Olmec sites. Quite positive she's taken the necessary steps to confirm the age and confirm their culture was Olmec.

[@ClarkeIllmatical]

@@facade538 I know who she is, but her findings create a theory. She said the the burials were from the olmec period. Even if there were from the olmec period, this does not discount African olmec theory.

[@AncientAli3n777]

Like all other indigenous peoples of the Americas, the ancestors of the olmecs migrated across a land bridge that once connected Eastern Russian with Alaska. These people followed migrating animals across the land bridge, before fanning out across the Americas. The ancestors of the Olmecs would have travelled through Northern Canada, down through what is now the United States and into Mexico, where they then settled.

[@jonahlefholtz8219]

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[@lynwil2286]

Mr Khan is putting forward THEORIES

[@CONTRAGOLPETV]

You needed to speak to Ann Cyphers, the Olmecs DNA has already been studied 2021 and the conclusion is that they are Amerindian just like their ancestor today. This guy is not informed on the Olmecs.

[@facade538]

Hello, I liked your podcast regarding the problem of fringe Afrocentric groups distorting indigenous history.

[@StompingRabbits]

They don't have any Olmec DNA because to date no Olmec tombs have been found...

[@CONTRAGOLPETV]

@@StompingRabbits You have no clue what you are talking about. I just told you the evidence look that up. Pacal Votan Sage-King of the Classic Maya Ancient Mexico tomb was studied over and over. Nearly 10,000 years ago, the body of a young woman ended up in a dry cave in southern Mexico. Her bones, discovered by divers in the now-submerged were also studied, her DNA matches todays ancient Mexicans.

[@urbnctrl]

Obviously mister Khan was referring to the prescense of Melanesian genomes in South American cohorts and these Melanesians carry genomes of unknown hominids, they do however also carry the most genetic trace material of Denisovan ancestry. We all know what Melanesians look like, and even they are being denied their current status as the first nations people of SE Asia for the sake of geopolitical narratives. The Melanesian cohorts have oral and pictorial histories that are still very much in tact and alive, and also very much unexplored by Western Scholars to this day ever since the first European set foot in SE Asia and the Pacific. Lucky for me I am of exactly that stock and all the race politics got me so interested in the why that now 30 years later I know the history exactly how it is. So what to you sounds like innocent preserving of opinion by academics, sounds to me as another annoying attempt to steer away from admitting the obvious truth - that the cohorts in the Americas were indeed carrying BLACK ancestry, and thus, people in the Americas looked as black as they come. Now just because this specific cohort of Indigenous Americans are descendents from NOT AFRICA - but AUSTRALASIA - does NOT mean these people were NOT BLACK. So why detour this conversation just to bash on "Afrocentrism" even though what they actually mean to say is "black civilizations could never have accomplished such things in this period in time.". Instead - it is "A Mystery", it is "unknown", it even is "weird". Something that sounds all too familiar with those that directly caused the anti-Eurocentric movement of Afrocentrism by their same approach of denialism and historical reformation. However, throughout history it has been very undoubtetly clear that the Melanesians from the Wallacean territories invented the technology that allowed Catamaran type oceanfaring vessels and were expert ocean navigators tens of thousands of years ago, that have made it possible for these Oceanians to reach East Africa and West Americas long before any other civilization managed to do so, and left their traces set in stone. I find it sad that even the scientific community practices racial preferences and aims to deny historic truth for the sake of race politics. It is not doing anyone any service, it is corrupted with ego and false pride. Rather than looking at the facts for what they are - they aim to distort and delay a part of our human history that is right in front of us - yet - for the integrity of our current historical narrative - must be kept under the rug - because if mankind really just sprung from ape-like savagery 6000 years ago - how could people have carried iron tools 12.000 years ago? How could giant buildings have been built on tiny Pacific islands in the middle of the ocean during the last ice age? Yeah... Let's all keep ostricazing the truth and deny until we die, or until we find a way to again reroute around the prescense of blackness in those parts of history yet again.

[@othellotyrant3152]

A study of the isolated tribes in the Amazon should also have evidence of, or lack of, African DNA. Has anyone studied that particular DNA?

[@fraso7331]

A lot of them were not isolated before around 1700. Some tribes decided to withdraw into the forest to avoid the portugeese slave hunters from brazil, while other fled to jesuite settlements and some were forced to do so. Many were killed during the war between Spain and Portugal for this region. The war was followed by a smallpox epidemic. All this lead to tabus within some tribes, banning contact. Search for Samuel Fritz, a german or czech-german* Jesuit missionary from Bohemia. He wrote a diary, drew the first usable map of the amazonas river and at one point he even gave the advice to withdrew into the forest. (In Brazil for some time it was cheaper to buy new slaves than to feed them. Fritz knew, that within the woods his faithful would become pagan again, but at one desperate point he saw no other possibility.) Fun fact: During the 19th centuries there were expeditions to find the settlements early discoverers wrote about. Since they could'nt find them and didn't know the history of the jesuite Missionaries, they concluded those settlements to be a myth. You can still find it in history books. I wonder, how many real cities and people are considered to be a myth, because of such fallacies. But those expeditions had the map done by Samuel Fritz with them. Since the region was in focus of Jesuits from Germany, Bohemia and Italy you perhaps would find german, czech and italian DNA also.

[@rasaanshakur9491]

That's because it's no such thing as "African DNA" All peoples of Earth of from African DNA. That's like saying there's no evidence of human DNA when all of it is human in the first place.

[@fraso7331]

Normally, that's my text! :)

[@sunrisings292]

@@rasaanshakur9491 ..."no such thing as "African DNA" All peoples of Earth of....".---Wrong. Watch the video again. It's not so difficult....

[@vaughnreedjr6592]

What Africa DNA. Africa come in all colors and races of people.

[@lexxon11]

I have been learning for years that people mistake phenotype for ethnicity. I firmly believe the Indians (the darker Indians) did not come from Africa, I believe they were already here. Furthermore, I believe there were all kinds of ethnicities and phenotypes all over the Americas-copper color to fair, based on the writing of the colonizers first-hand accounts. I think we think having Negroid features automatically means you are from Africa.

[@amnqetu_Cipher-da-Builder]

No it automatically means they were black. Black people are indigenous to the planet. No matter how far you go back and honestly look at the evidence you will see black people. Black people have in our own records a great deal of diverse cultures. From those of ancient India to paleoAmericas. That is the truth. We weren’t the ones who divided blackness on superficial characteristics and attempt to perpetuate that to this day. However due to our miseducation some of us have issue with the term black and seek to differentiate based along ethnic lines, that was not a feature of our past culture.

[@jarvisburke4086]

@@amnqetu_Cipher-da-Builder Thank you for explaining the truth to lexxon.

[@clockle]

I agree.

[@kyledaniels4969]

@@amnqetu_Cipher-da-Builder Um, no

[@McQueenPress]

Very likely negroid features in pre-Columbian America means West Africans took the Atlantic current direct to Central America and established lives... and then created lives. Meaning those claiming that the monuments look exactly look like their 100% pure indigenous cousins haven't traced back far enough. Very likely, the lookalikes are are carriers of West African DNA and THAT'S why they look EXACTLY like the monuments.

[@texasborn2720]

Well my Meso-American ancestry from my 23andMe results show I'm a mixture of various Indigenous tribes. Roughly Mexico City northward. True most Spaniards were mostly men who mixed with native local women. But I think revolution and conflict between Indigenous tribes against Spaniards caused indigenous tribes to mix with one another.

[@indigenousamerican3148]

The olmec heads looks like me. Im a Mexican of Nahua descent from Mexico city D.F. & puebla. The olmecs were not black. My grandmothers were the last in my family who spoke Nahuatl.But i guess if it makes them feel better 🙄.

[@kevinlezo1046]

The nahuas have nothing to do with olmecs

[@jbird9220]

Yet you’re mixed so where does those broad features affiliated with negros come from

[@kevinlezo1046]

@@jbird9220 He isn’t Olmec decent.

[@indigenousamerican3148]

@@jbird9220 yeah mixed and way more indigenous than you. Only 5% of my DNA is of white origin, 4% Italian and 1% Greek according to the Ancestry DNA test. My mother is even purer at 98% Native American and 2% French . My fam is from ciudad de México. México city Tenochtitlan and Cuentepec Morelos Mexico. We still have our last name and some of my family still speaks Nahuatl. Very proud of our flag 🇲🇽 which is inspired in the foundation story of my ancestors who founded Mexico Tenochtitlan.

[@jbird9220]

@@indigenousamerican3148 wrong. The native dna that Europeans categorized as such are not the original people of America. You can not challenge your dna test results by confirming its accuracy with physical evidence.

[@sunrisings292]

Thanks for posting. On point, informative and based on science facts. Keep the good work going.

[@blackolmecs9320]

Black Olmecs forever. facts

[@sammydasilva6152]

@@blackolmecs9320 Nah, it's game over for black Olmecs. However dreaming is allowed. So keep on dreaming about black Olmecs.

[@llehsaderob]

He did say some African lineage is found, but he never specifies where. There still too many unknowns. While it can make sense the Olmec people where of African descent if there's proof that they're not that's that. This didn't prove that. Which is why it's a highly debatable topic. Looking at the heads it's a sound hypothesis but it's also not concrete proof. You would need to get variants of DNA from ancient Africa, and somehow less ancient DNA from the Olmecs. At the very least Maya or Aztec bones which I think he at least alludes to have been done. I can't believe being this vague is an actual debunk.

[@sammydasilva6152]

@@llehsaderob Stop talking nonsense. The Olmecs were not Africans but Amerindians.

[@llehsaderob]

@@sammydasilva6152 We don't know who the Olmecs were. Do you have some Olmec DNA handy? *Some* genealogists seem to have discovered very old remains ( kzbin.info/www/bejne/fJTbYqKKdpeXp6s ) unfortunately I can't find the video where the genes where mapped, but yes Native American. Older(In fact the oldest discovered in the Americas) is of Naia (also seen her referred as Eve) found in the Yucatan Peninsula, I don't if her bones have been DNA mapped or if they even can. How is anything I've said non-sense. What we do know: Columbus was not this great explorer discovering unknown lands, but some tyrant that fed newborns to his hounds alive. Anything else you need cleared up?

[@matthewmann8969]

Yeah the statues, monuments, structures, infrastructures, architectures, and tectures all look very spelled

[@GardensoftheAncientsHerbal]

I would say that the ancient cultures were maybe linked or influenced but without genetics then they are separate odds are one group learned certain concepts from each other.

[@alesol213]

The Olmec are the people of of south Mexico.

[@kinggamersbaltimore4130]

Thanks nick for this show

[@gaiali453]

Great video debunking (yet again) the Afrocentrist nonsense which requires no thought outside of "That depiction has dark skin, so he's black" or "This depiction has a wide nose, so he's black". It's no wonder those that study the people of the Mexica reject the silly drivel of Afrocentrism.

[@shaolin1derpalm]

The irony is that if another group were to say "look at that wide nose and big lips. Obviously black" it would be lambasted...

[@StompingRabbits]

Those big heads look like brothers to me... I'm still not convinced they weren't Africans.

[@leonardocarretero1054]

Many Asians look more like the Olmec,heads than Africans, just Look at Manny Paquiao, Round block face, flat face, bubbled lips, flat wide nostrils, droppy eyes, I know many Philipinos and Vietnamese people with these face features.

[@RoninDave]

there's also some of them who think Charles II was a black king because a Scotsman wrote he was a "black man" which of course they take as the literal meaning forget that no one else said anything of the sort or that his many portraits failed to capture this. It's terrible scholarship for the poorly educated and it does little in actually helping the African American community.

[@McQueenPress]

Wow, so many defensive extras with the denialism. Ancient African shipbuilding has been documented. Knowledge of the Atlantic current direct from West Africa to Central America has been documented. Sightings of Africans in pre-columbian America has been documented. Negroid skulls verified by craniologist in the Olmec vicinity have been documented. African art and artifacts found in the Olmec vicinity have been documented. Negroid aspect of monuments has been documented by numerous Latino, European, Black American, African archeologists and historians. African legacy in ancient America has also been documented.

[@davelouie131]

⁠ ​​⁠ Apparently mongoloids originated from Andamanese Negrito , andamnese don’t have Neanderthal DNA 🧬 so 60,000 years when those Ananamese left Africa they were still probably Neanderthal and denisovans around. So some of those humans mix with Neanderthals, the Tasmanian people seem to kept some of their original looks, while the aboriginal of Australia seems to mix more with Neanderthals, now they have some that look more like the Tasmanian aboriginal with the Afros, the Tasmanian people attire looks similar to Hamer tribe in Africa, I’m definitely not saying that the Tasmanian people are related to the Hamer tribe but instead saying they probably maintain some of their original customs with red dreadlocks and attire, the Andamamese have a similar religion to the Kamba tribe in Africa , now obviously there not related but there are similarities between them. Now the Batek tribe have a very unselfish culture similar to the Taino Indians, the Olmecs look more similar looking to original East Eurasian people like the negritos and original hawians, Māori people , original Polynesian then they do native Siberians across Russia or Alaska. I believe these two groups mixed up probably. But the California Indians and Seminole seem to be dark Native Americans similar to Miskito Indians, im not completely sold on Miskito Indian only being related to native Siberian’s because technically they look nothing alike instead they look more similar to Cambodian negritos or other negritos or South American Indians.

[@marcopolodikorcula9704]

I'm your new subscriber. Love 💕 your channel.

[@josecontreras6702]

In United States standards wouldn’t aboriginal DNA be considered black in the states. For example if you saw an aboriginal walking down the street in Georgia wouldn’t white America consider him black?

[@facade538]

You're a naturalized citizen, but you're not indigenous, aboriginal, nor native to the Americas. Only Native Americans and descendants.

[@Egyptologist777]

“Blacks” are not aboriginals.

[@abdonohaul4045]

@@Egyptologist777 You Should read the journals of Columbus

[@coosa-federation1180]

YES. Jose Contreras.

[@RoninDave]

@@abdonohaul4045 the guy who thought he was in Asia the whole time? Not the best source for accurate information.

[@XDouie]

ANOTHER ONE FOR MOTHER AFRICA!!! WE ARE THE BEGINNING OF ALLLLL LIFE!!! PRAISE BE TO GOD AND MAY THE TRUTH SHINE BRIGHT!!! 🇿🇦

[@jessemiller7540]

This is superb. Thank you!

[@JUICEelRey]

1st obvious problem is he has no genetics from the Olmecs so we have to assume the people today in the Americas are the descendants of the olmecs and not people who immigrated in the 4,000 years in between now and the olmec period which is not likely over that spand of time. 2ndly we have to grant him the assumption that the indigenous ancestry is the Asian genetics and not the African ancestry of modern day populations.( Why when we know all people come from Africa). Lastly the paleo-siberian genetics are from people who migrated out of Africa 60,000 years ago (at least). If you look at the jarawa people in the Adaman islands they're probably the paleo-siberian phenotype of the time not the 60-70% dna from modern Asians as he explained (Chinese, Japanese). So whether they're west Africans or some earlier migration from the Asian continent is still a"black" phenotype

[@kidohchi]

The beat at the end.. siK~

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

RIP: KARABOĞA OLMECS :-)

[@axxessmundi]

This has been debunked many times.

[@عقبةبننافعبنالقيسالفهري]

Keep debunking it,you guy are helping alot of people on this one trust me

[@axxessmundi]

@@عقبةبننافعبنالقيسالفهري Believe me I know copy and paste of false "centric" lies.

[@josephhellstern949]

Sorry to be dense what has been debunked many times?

[@axxessmundi]

@@josephhellstern949 there's a "centric group" which claims delusional scenarios the Olmecs are of Sub-Saharan origin in regards to the facial phenotype in artifacts.

[@josephhellstern949]

@@axxessmundi thank you for taking the time to answer me

[@TheUnspeakableh]

Could the Andaman Island related population be something similar to the Pre-Indo-European populations in Europe which are nowadays mostly confined to Basque and Corsica-Sardinia? An older population that was out competed technologically by new arrivals and reduced in range to small isolated holdouts?

[@boondockersaint6199]

@Etruria civilization and genetically they are closest to asians.

[@xanv8051]

By pre indo European do you mean the linguistic theory because that has so many holes it's silly people use it to try to prove anything. I'm not aware of a mass genetic or a genetically identical Europe so I don't what your talking about. Linguistics doesn't prove anything just shows a change it doesn't show how it changes or why that's where history helps but because it's so far back literally anything could of happen so idk what your talking about.

[@boondockersaint6199]

@Etruria civilization they are not closely related to early europeans. That was the question. And phenotype wise khoisan is not a black race whatever that has to do with anything.

[@boondockersaint6199]

@Etruria civilization your definition of what a race is is purely made up

[@cancerdeath4195]

@@boondockersaint6199 Onge is closest pacafic islanders than eastern Iranans.

[@ska9263]

Thats disappointing, I was hoping his answer would be fact based about the genetics rather than more guess work.

[@Treklosopher]

Here to support Nick.

[@MCfact1827]

Why is he in the hospital?

[@pinam27]

All the Kangs are upset, but but, my melanin!

[@ivystuart1736]

@Etruria civilization clearly the maddest here lmao

[@عقبةبننافعبنالقيسالفهري]

I ain't no kang bitch lmao

[@عقبةبننافعبنالقيسالفهري]

Nor ever in my life wanted to be a Olmec😂

[@jr.solaris253]

@Etruria civilization Black olmecs🤣

[@FriedPi-mc5yt]

@Etruria civilization You admire the history of the American Indian Olmecs? Is that why you spend so much time trying to lay claim to a culture that Africans had nothing to do with?

[@nomaddiaries9790]

It's funny how you keep using Razib Khan. Are you afraid of bring Dejian Yuan and Shi Huang to your show??

[@MCfact1827]

Does DejianYuan and Shi Haung have info on the Olmecs?

[@facade538]

Final someone highlighting the truth.

[@africantruth2539]

That is not the truth but speculations.

[@facade538]

@@africantruth2539 Physical Science backs it up.

[@africantruth2539]

@@facade538 That is not true. It is Eurocentric science that backs it up.

[@facade538]

@@africantruth2539 Eurocentrism has no impact upon the research into the topic. It's Anti-Native American for fringe Afrocentrists to claim that Olmecs were African, by presistently ignoring DNA and archaeological evidence Olmecs were Native American.

[@africantruth2539]

@@facade538 I actually love Native Americans. There is almost no time I don't mention Native Americans when I debate about atrocities committed against black people. It is actually not Anti-Native American. It is rather racism against black people by denying Black existence in America despite minimum twelve clear evidences including archaeological evidence; racism from white people. Denial by Native Americans are understandable. It is just a shock condition hear facts that turns upside down for what one thought was difference.

[@tinchalhuon256]

The intro rocks at 1.75 speed

[@amnqetu_Cipher-da-Builder]

Although this video claims to debunk “Afrocentric” scholarship it makes some claims that are not inline with popular “Afrocentric” thought. Let me help with that. The various races of today came after 4000 BCE. Which would put all “paleo- into that category. There were several influxes of races that came after 4000 BCE. That there were people in the Americas for 100,000 + years. One more Black people, indigenous to the planet did not all originate nor look like west Africans. The great thing for us is that we are not dependent on western scholarship to determine the veracity of the understanding of the past. So take it or leave it alone.

[@facade538]

How do you know your Afrocentric scholars aren't racist nutjobs that are lying to you?

[@mileswilliams9737]

This strikes me as a red herring. African DNA is distinct. What's not is Australian aborigines DNA, which is very diverse. I don't hear very much about african olmecs, the argument I hear is that the aborigines expanded on ice age trade winds and currents. Which is what they say. I had heard the oldest skeletal remains found in South America could be aboriginal.

[@RoninDave]

African DNA - the whole continent?

[@llehsaderob]

I heard a lot of we don't know, or we haven't found. We need some "Olmec" dna. The dna studied sounds to me has been done outside of the areas where the Olmecs where thought to come from? Even then since we only have relics from their sites and have no idea about their migratory patterns there's much left to actually discover. I'm a proponent that it's possible that they could be of West African descent but I'm sure it's crossed their minds to test dna from mixed people here in the U.S. and see which gene markers stick around and which don't. I'll watch the other one just in case.

[@bullterror5]

Apparently the DNA samples they do have don't show any markers of other genetics besides indigenous mexican

[@bobwilson7684]

all crap mate...

[@Texasmade74]

Your delusional

[@pbransome626]

We been had the proof it's in your familys GENEALOGY not a man made fucking DNA test

[@amnqetu_Cipher-da-Builder]

Black people are native to all hemispheres of the planet. We have been told that blacks could not make the journey because they could not cross the open sea. Then you are faced with Pacific Islanders. King kamehameha who is said to have founded Hawaii… Black. They got there by boat ( that they made). Looking at the evidence with your own eyes tells a different story from what is here. Pro-tip when you dig into the word paleo- that is code for black. When they claim these people could not trace there origins to west Africa, that is code for big lips and kinky hair. Ethiopian la would not qualify under this definition. As Bob Marley once said, “don’t let them fool ya”

[@SuperJieying]

I rather say Olmecs are more like Asians. Not only the look, the culture of ceremonies and death, the jade, the pottery style with animal encrypting.

[@j.a.martir6438]

Yes, I'd guess, vast majority percentage, ancient Asians.

[@j.a.martir6438]

Also, something quite facinating that I'll try to explain to the best of my ability: My siblings and I share the same biological parents, 3 are white skinned with European features. 2 including myself are semi-brown and my older sister is often ' mistaken ' for Asian. The Asian look, runs sporadically throughout my entire family. Judging from - my amateur - research, my sister's Asian looks come from the Ancient Asian indigenous people with her skin whitened - much more recently with European DNA. The result of her is VERY modern Asian looking. ( DNA testing has been done on my siblings, to back up my layman ' conclusions. ' )

[@RoninDave]

"Asian" is a very broad term and you are mixing tens of thousands of years. The Olmec emerged around 1500 BCE but the Siberian migrations into the Americas was anywhere from 15,000 to 30,000 years ago according to more recent theories. A huge gulf of time exists between the Olmecs and when their distant ancestors were in Asia.

[@Stick3x]

America is the old world. We were already here.

[@bosshawg7427]

From the Caucus mountains, we were the early geneticists and invented all other races. We pushed them out to populate the world so they could cultivate and get the land suitable for us to thrive in. Later we came.

[@MiloSatori]

1524 Giovanni da Verrazzano (c 1485-1528) describes Native Americans: "The people are of a color russet, & not much unlike the Saracens; their hair black, thick, & not very long, which they tie together in a knot behind, & wear it like a tail." "they resemble the Orientals" "their faces are sharp, and their hair long and black" "they are of a very fair complexion, some incline more to a white and others to a tawny color"

[@j.a.martir6438]

It's not impossible to conclude that Mr Verrazano ( Being Italian ) included semi brown people as white.

[@Jack-Hands]

So according to Giovanni they looked like Arabs and Turks in his eyes. Interesting comparison.

[@JUICEelRey]

Also a lot of explorers describing natives as blacks and negros. Sounds more of a mixed population than a homogeneous population

[@MiloSatori]

@@JUICEelRey No, there are no letters of explorers saying that.

[@McQueenPress]

@@MiloSatori Christopher Columbus, Ferdinand Columbus, Vasco Nunez de Balboa, Peter Martyr all documented their claims of sightings of black-skinned negroes or Africans upon arrival to the Americas.

[@chrisamon4551]

This was a great video. The growth of ice sheets commenced 33k years ago with maximum coverage on land being reached at 26,5k years ago. Starting at 18,000 years ago the glaciers began to slowly recede. By 14,5k years ago sealevels abruptly rise. And what do we see? Migrants from Beringia coming down the coast in small boats as soon as conditions allow, possibly even before the last glacial maximum. They go from Beringia to Monte Verde in southern Chile by 14,5k and that’s around 9,600miles. I bet when they got to panama 16-5k years ago, they immediately hopped over the Isthmus and discovered the Atlantic Ocean. Now the Beringian migration splits up in three directions: one headed straight south to Chile, one headed north along the Gulf of Mexico, and one headed south towards Brazil. Eventually these migrants will strike the Mississippi and the Amazon and the other big rivers and use them as highways to populate the interior of North and South America. Apparently all of the oldest Clovis sites are in the East, especially around Chesapeake bay. That whole region with it’s oysters and blue crabs must have seemed like a paradise for early man. Rising sea levels after 14,5k years ago would have driven the migrants far inland. Clovis people weren’t coming down the ice free corridor, which was open but pretty much sterile. They were instead invading North America from the south, headed north. Some of the most recent and youngest Clovis points are found up in Canada and eastern Alaska, so in about 10-8k years the migrants had come full circle back up to the Arctic. No European or African migrations needed to explain the diversity in the Americas.

[@Smoug]

but shouldn't there be then older remains than clovis points in Mexico for example?

[@lizardywizard]

And the Australian aboriginal people have been there doing themselves for 65000+ years... Ice came, ice went and they stayed.. They had all that knowledge... And now it's been lost. We are fools

[@nvs7445]

Great way framing this in the context of time.

[@fernicusmaximus9282]

Agreed. Olmecs were not black.

[@StompingRabbits]

I know a brother when I see one and those big heads are obviously brothers!

[@fernicusmaximus9282]

@@StompingRabbits Many Mesoamericans had those features too.

[@adolforuiz6031]

@@StompingRabbits the Toltecs and totonecs have no Trace to afrikan connection...plus there's been test of DNA of Aztec,Mayan,Zapotec,miztec people still in Mexico with no black DNA😉 sculpture's don't signified a human race ...

[@McQueenPress]

@@fernicusmaximus9282 Many mesoamericans are carriers of West African DNA, so of course they have those features.

[@OSUex]

Nothing in this video addresses Olmec DNA study results. Some of your other anthropology videos are very good but this one is just click bait.

[@JohnDoe-dj8kb]

Ivan Van Sertima gave an excellent brief on the Olmecs when he was alive....R.I.P

[@JohnDoe-dj8kb]

@Nin10dofan8 You're sadly mistaken, he did, I was in the front row at Stetson University, you're welcome!🤣

[@JohnDoe-dj8kb]

@Nin10dofan8 Stop lying to yourself, hundreds of anthropologist have agreed with these findings plus they did mitochondrial DNA test. Why am even responding to a person with a low IQ, go do some real research. I knew history before Google.🤣🤣

[@RM_2423]

​@@JohnDoe-dj8kb anthropologists not genetic researchers and genealogists that prove they are African

[@McQueenPress]

@Nin10dofan8 However, van Sertima is not the only scholar who supports African origin. Numerous African, Black American, Latino, European scholars at the time the Olmec monuments were uncovered agreed, along with the Smithsonian Institute and National Geographic.

[@McQueenPress]

@Nin10dofan8 February of 1975, a team from the Smithsonian Institute reported the discovery of two Negroid male skeletons in a grave in the U.S. Virgin Islands. Scientific analysis of the surrounding soil suggests that the skeletons date back to about 1250 A.D.28, Smithsonian Institute “Cleared of the surrounding earth, it [the colossal head] presented an awe-inspiring spectacle. Despite its great size, the workmanship is delicate and sure, its proportions perfect… The features are bold and amazingly negroid in character.” Matthew M. Stirling, “Discovering the New World: Oldest Dated Work of Man,” National Geographic Magazine

[@bloodandempire]

Omg he said modern Mexicans have Olmec blood because European men “MARRIED” women with Olmec blood. Oh my sweet summer child. The Spanish didn’t know the meaning of consent 😭

[@TonyMezaXD]

True

[@KateeAngel]

There were plenty of documented interracial marriages in the colonial period. Doesn't mean that was full consent though, cause marital r--e was not even considered r--e for most of history, but then that would be true just as much for marriages within one race

[@llehsaderob]

how much mixing would (time) would it take to get rid of the other DNA? There's no evidence that more cultures existed in the area before the Olmecs, the DNA evidence from Naia (12000 years ago)points to Asian. It's a contradiction in itself because at most it's thought that Olmecs existed 4500 years ago yet Naia from the Yucatan peninsula is aprox 12000-13000 years old. Though factually correct, raped is a little crass. I do find it interesting how an Italian caused blame for all the Spaniards, still I'm of the mind that Columbus did not discover anything since at the very least the new world was populated 12000-13000 years ago. I wonder if the frogs here are like there's frogs in Australia too and are they related to me? Which I think the consensus is modern human evolved from a single ape? Yet other animals have different species?

[@svtinker]

The melting pot continues to fascinate.

[@ashog1426]

We wuz olmecs!!!!!!! N sheit

[@anubis6861]

😂 mzungu

[@ashog1426]

@@anubis6861 😏🦁😂🇦🇲😌

[@charlesleeray8512]

Jews..Egyptian...Roman's the list goes on

[@yanf525]

Thank you.

[@insomniaslaying7984]

Wow I never knew the Acient Olmecs today have Asian, Siberian and European dna. I would love to see the Modern Olmecs do their dna test to see their percentages of these mixtures.

[@willielilly5130]

We so called black people are the oldest people on the earth and we are original on every continent let that sink in

[@phillyguy2157]

I'm Black and through my studies of the antiquities when you create falsehoods that Black people were first on every continent you destroy the most profound & genius of Black civilization and history which is Ancient Egypt and Nubia! Because what you're doing is the same thing that White anthropologist of the 19th century did which was removed the Blackness from North Africa and made it white! Therefore don't remove the Ancient Native Americans from this hemisphere and make them Black and insult the history of native peoples in the American hemisphere.

[@llehsaderob]

That point may backfire since technically we'd all be safe with the friendly n-word. I do think at the very least that the first modern human were black Africans, that's the evidence we have so far. Could other humanoids evolve from other apes/primates(certainly enough species exist)? Should we be looking for more than just one missing link?

[@willielilly5130]

@@llehsaderob you are out of your fucking mind we are before there was a Africa and we are original on every continent we are the first inhabitants on every continent you people are historically crippled

[@phillyguy2157]

@@willielilly5130 I'm Black and that's a falsehood to say black people are first on every continent. Dr Ivan Van Sertima tell Black people not to insult the accomplishments of native americans with that Black people are the first. You're opening the gate for a racial attack from these bigots on KZbin.

[@phillyguy2157]

@@willielilly5130 Dr Ivan Van Sertima who is a Black Historian and an authority on the Olmecs says that Nubians made contact with the Olmecs who are native Americans( like all other native Americans that were the first in america). What Sertima is saying in his book " They came before Columbus" is that Nubians from Africa visited the Americas before Christopher Columbus. These Nubians made contact with the Olmecs and a mixed culture evolved. Sertima is not saying Blacks were the original Olmecs.

[@degucc]

Morphological analyses of early skeletons in the Americas have suggested that characteristics of some Pleistocene and early Holocene skeletons are different from present-day Native Americans and fall within the variation of present-day indigenous people in South Pacific (Australians, Melanesians, Polynesians, and Negritos) and certain sub-Saharan African groups (1-3). This is particularly so for the first South Americans, while the first North Americans seem to be somewhere in between modern South Pacific and Europeans. No resemblance was noted between the first Americans and either Northeast Asians or modern Native Americans. "On the peopling of the Americas: molecular evidence for the Paleoamerican and the Solutrean models Dejian Yuan, Shi Huang"

[@MCfact1827]

They don't wanna touch this

[@facade538]

The New Face of South Americans Nov. 2018 The bust of Luzia with African features was built on the basis of the skull's morphology by British anatomical artist Richard Neave in the 1990s. "However, skull shape isn't a reliable marker of ancestrality or geographic origin. *Genetics is the best basis for this type of inference* ," Strauss explained. "The *genetic results of the new study show* categorically that there was *no significant connection between the Lagoa Santa people and groups from Africa or Australia*. So the hypothesis that Luzia's people derived from a migratory wave prior to the ancestors of today's Amerindians has been disproved. On the contrary, the *DNA shows that Luzia's people were entirely Amerindian* ."

[@MCfact1827]

You totally disregarded Degucc's information.

[@facade538]

@@MCfact1827 shhhhhhh! 🤫🤫 You thought it wasn't touched on. It was. I told you science doesn't back you up. Cut you with that truth! 🤕

[@MCfact1827]

@@facade538 1.you disregard Degucc's information ( I'm gonna keep coming back to this) 2. Next who's "science"? Is this "scientific racism"? Yes that's a REAL term look it up cause you'll probably see it again. 3. Blks have been found in the Americas thousands of years ago. Luzia was an example. Archeologist Walter Neves confirmed it. While forensic scholar Richard Neave vetted it. And guess who comes along and tries to abolish their findings. 4. It's been proven non blk academics, scientists etc. will lie and try to cover up ancient blk history, ancient blk global contributions, ancient blk global impact etc.

[@michaelhenson928]

The one thing DNA cannot debunk - Black ppl are the first ppl to inhabit, traverse, settle, and establish culture/civilization on this planet. Everywhere we went, we were the first ones there - this includes the Americas. As to his guest, I'd love to see him debate Dane Callaway in a public forum. One's (opinion) does not a fact make. Also, there are some from the region of the Olmec/Xi ppl who've already acknowledged them to be the mother culture to the Aztecs/Mayan cultures. But I get it.....dude is feeding into the racism, hatred, and ignorance of others to make a few $$$$ off of his channel.

[@facade538]

Dane Calloway is a fraud.

[@michaelhenson928]

@@facade538 said the hater/closet racist 😭

[@facade538]

@@michaelhenson928 I'm native american and dane calloway is a wannabe! You black supremacists just like your white supremacists brothers

[@facade538]

@Ahead Of The Curve Sorry, Luzia wasn't black. Scienctists back pedaled when her DNA showed she's Native American. BTW there are Inca mummies with Asian hair, one well preserved mummy her features shows SHE WAS NATIVE AMERICAN LA DONCELLA, let you know, INCA are still ALIVE: QUECHUA PEOPLE.

[@facade538]

@Ahead Of The Curve Vega's book means nothing due to fact it was published almost century after the Spanish imported African slaves to Santo Domingo in 1510. The Spanish made contact with Inca in 1532. La Doncella died 1499, the looks of La Doncella are not black nor African. And La Doncella's DNA shows she was 💯 Native American, she wasn't biracial.

[@henrygibbs9922]

When their writings are understood answers will be forth.

[@ZephyrBW]

Are the Olmec older then Greek

[@mhmgbk9728]

The ancient peoples of Asia were melaninated peoples, they were not black as I am a African American, but they would have had a brown/copper skin tone. Similar to the khosain or the Taiwanese.

[@thirdeyewide562]

Yes but still NOT black African. Completely different ethnicity.

[@anastasiarose1430]

@@thirdeyewide562 they literally said that

[@thirdeyewide562]

@@anastasiarose1430 said what?

[@KateeAngel]

Depend on what part of Asia

[@DirtyEdon]

Khoisan are black African lmfao

[@TimBee100]

So why do the Olmec heads not look like they are from Asia and why are there people from the population who currently live around where they are found look different to the average Mexican? They are said to have broader noses and fuller lips. Why did they evolve like that and not all of the people slightly further away? One heck of a coincidence that they evolved these broader noses and fuller lips to look more African. Something doesn't add up and just saying that there is no evidence without offering explanations to these queries just seems woke.

[@j.a.martir6438]

Perhaps because the indigenous people with those features arrived there before other or most other indigenous groups. That still wouldn't make them of African origin. If all of a sudden overwhelming evidence pointed towards African origin I wouldn't mind at all, because I am truly unbiased. But with the evidence we already have common sense points against it.

[@j.a.martir6438]

* Also, something that wouldn't add up either: It's not too difficult to notice, the ' genetic strength ' of the African extremely curly hair. If the Olmec African looking facial features were and are of African origin how did their hair take such an abrupt genetic ' detour? '

[@njandrews4105]

Broad noses and thick lips are not exclusive facial features only found in Africa.. I am in Canada and indigenous people have these features and they are majority full blooded with no African ancestry

[@wenbo595]

Chekc out the olmec wrestler.

[@shaolin1derpalm]

I know a few people that are Mexican that look very much like that my personal belief is relation to oceana head north from central America. Not exchanging culture with north east Africa . That is nonsense

[@pbransome626]

All life didn't start in Africa that was a lie!

[@facade538]

Black supremacy with Nazi style propaganda promoting racism towards Native Americans.

[@shelleylytle8570]

If I am not mistaken, in the tablets of Thoth he was told by the god/ruler of Egypt to take the Olmecs to build a empire/kingdom in the west.

[@daviddealba9886]

So, what I read about Amazonian folk more closely related to paleo Australian folk and now that I said they also said the people’s of Go bekli Tepe had similar art to paleo Australians .makes me think that the race of the indigenous peoples Australia and Solomon Islands were more widely spread out than they are now .I really have hard time believing people did not exist in the americas prior to 20,000 years ago .I mean if camels can originate on the America’s die out but exist in the Africa why then can’t people do the same .my theory is people have always existed in the americas but for some reason went extinct except for a small population down in South America .which to me makes sense .I think population bottle neck . I think peoples coming from South America and being the mother seed population in Central America . Why else would they have knowledge of building technologies that were not seen before given that they were the more ancient civilization. My real question is what about Hueyatalco.those ages checked on that archeological site were checked and double checked using the top peoples in the field of dating those sites.why is that site not followed up on .all those people that did work on that site are top notch . It astonishingly is swept under the rug . I mean dates that go back more than 200 thousand years verified and not being followed up on and artifacts that disappear,workers threatened or at least coerced into lying about the work done their.I believe much good work can be done there to answer a lot of things. That’s my opinion .i may be not be correct . But I don’t think I’m far off

[@pbransome626]

Our history is way older then the Bible and way before pale people colonized our land

[@facade538]

Black supremacy with Nazi style propaganda promoting racism towards Native Americans.

[@clockle]

Its not your land. You will always be guests on this land...just like Europeans.

[@pbransome626]

We original Nijii people of turtle Island aka the Americas have DEA not DNA we American Indians are way older then Africa we American Indians never came from Africa...Africans hate us American Indians

[@facade538]

Black supremacy with Nazi style propaganda promoting racist towards Native Americans.

[@j.a.martir6438]

I respect you profoundly but stating - in a general way - that Africans hate Native Americans is not true and unfair.

[@pbransome626]

@@j.a.martir6438 do you know who the first colonizers of my peoples land was? African moors....they created that lie that all melenated people came Africa which is the biggest lie ever told!

[@j.a.martir6438]

Taking a second look at you and your activities, it seems like you're just joking around. It's not impossible that you may some native American ancestry but in truth you are a black man.

[@facade538]

@Jose Martir He is a black supremacist referencing himself as American Indian he's claiming to be here before Native Americans.

[@twilightgardenspresentatio6384]

Interesting you say Africans diverged from eurasians… when the eurasians diverged. I gotta think you don’t see the negative bias that drags behind you like a tail, dr. A lot of people think they have no anti African bias, they just think of Africans less. That’s thinking less of humanity. Thinking of them less is thinking less of them.

[@twilightgardenspresentatio6384]

Look for that bias in your fervent commenters. Some people want to support an internal bias they claim doesn’t exist.

[@facade538]

@@twilightgardenspresentatio6384 At the sametime you to think Africans are superior to us Native Anericans, when science already proved Olmecs were native american. Olmec culture is in the Americas where native americans the only indigenous. Olmec Culture is not african bc there are no identical art and architecture in Africa. Vulture this ain't your culture.

[@Egyptologist777]

OOA has nothing to do with “black” africans. Secondly, you should read the scientific publications, there is more evidence for into Africa than out of Africa. Africans have up to one third Eurasian DNA.

[@DerrickPJames]

I think this is way less complicated than ppl are making it. The Olmec heads have African features, and they have Afros. The first people there were African, and they brought their culture with them. As time went on the people began to evolve into what you see now. So the ppl in that area are direct descendants of the original Olmecs, they just no longer look exactly like the statues because they evolved over time.

[@Egyptologist777]

@@DerrickPJames you are spouting Afrocentric nonsense. Not a single geneticist makes the claim you put forward.

[@dianaraymond9]

Proof is looking right at you..

[@SolurVoludun]

And proof is on his side

[@ajgraves8016]

His first statement was they have no Olmec DNA then went on to talk about their DNA you can't make this up

[@vatolocosforever803]

Look up Olmec DNA on Olmec Facebook. Or you can look it up in Spanish.

[@amounwadjaai]

Cope more

[@NegativeBodhiImage]

What he actually said was, we don't have DNA "directly" from them ... there is no distinct Olmec population they have geen subsumed. But good listening skills.

[@ivystuart1736]

Clearly didn't watch or grasp the info in the video lmao of course you want your own bias confirmed

[@vatolocosforever803]

@@NegativeBodhiImage why don't you read my comment and do what I said to do.?? It's crazy how you guys sit here and argue, after I just left you the information you need for you to get the real studies.

[@saratmodugu2721]

So if we find skeletons who arrived around 1300 AD, could they be distinguished from a slave from 1550 AD genetically?

[@facade538]

Yes.

[@jayregal6478]

This PROVES nor DISPROVES nothing!

[@freepapua6778]

could that west african blood be from canary islands?

[@mrhimselfalone7657]

Canary islands had Berber DNA Northwest Africa yes but "Black" West African, No

[@MCfact1827]

@@mrhimselfalone7657 oh my goodness...Berbers are originally from N.E. Africa. Please look it up.

[@mrhimselfalone7657]

@@MCfact1827 Berbers ancestry is complex 1) they apparently have a component which is a sister group to the one which migrated out to people the rest of the world 2) they have ancestry from people who are related to Europeans, who back migrated to Africa and yes, they have ancestry from East Africa. Haplogroup E originated in East Africa

[@MCfact1827]

@@mrhimselfalone7657 the Berbers originated in N. E. Africa. They are an African ppl. This can be verified.

[@جميل-شكرا]

*Amazigh

[@macdon3201]

@Study of Antiquity and the Middle Ages can you do a video on the DNA or aborigines

[@blackolmecs9320]

Why a DNA should be done on Black Aussie aborigines?

[@frisco9568]

I don’t support the hypothesis that the olmec were African but how did we determine dna if we have no bodies?

[@ourfatherinthegreen4065]

*WE WUZ OLMECS EN SHIEET*

[@facade538]

THE TRUE ORIGIN OF THE OLMECS ANN CYPHERS MTDN and Olmec descent The first DNA studies in ancient cultures date back to the 1980s. Initially, the protocols were laborious, time-consuming and expensive. As of the 2000s, the improvement of the techniques led to its greater application in archaeology. The general public has been kept abreast of developments and discoveries through research that has received much attention worldwide, particularly studies of genetic material obtained from Egyptian mummies and Neanderthal remains. To carry out this type of study, it is necessary to obtain undegraded and uncontaminated human remains from a reliable archaeological context, which allows knowing their dating and cultural affiliation. In the history of Olmec archaeology, this set of conditions had not occurred until recently. The first human remains excavated in an Olmec site were the two individuals buried in the Tomb of Basaltic Columns of La Venta, but the bone material could not be recovered due to its deplorable state of preservation; it can be said that they almost disappeared before the very eyes of the archaeologists who opened the grave. The 1990s brought new discoveries by the "San Lorenzo Tenochtitlán Archaeological Project". Olmec sealed contexts with human burials were found, which are the optimal archaeological conditions to study ancient DNA. Physical anthropologist Enrique Villamar devoted himself to the careful taking of samples from two burials from the Olmec period and their meticulous processing at Cinvestav, with the support of specialists María de Lourdes Muñoz Moreno and Miguel Moreno Galeana. He carried out a study of mitochondrial DNA (MTDNA) that allows tracing inheritance through the maternal line and defining haplogroups. Haplogroups are "mitochondrial lineages" that are of great antiquity and transcend all kinds of cultural, temporal and geographical limits in the world. Villamar writes that: This property of the ADNMT offers anthropology a means to trace the historical evolution of contemporary and also past populations. Thanks to this, the repertoire of maternal lineages is known on a global scale, their geographic-temporal distribution and, in addition, the original lineages of each continent. The pioneering MTDN study carried out on Olmec individuals, one from San Lorenzo and the other from Loma del Zapote, resulted, in both cases, in the unequivocal presence of distinctive mutations of the “A” maternal lineage. That is to say, the origin of the Olmecs is not in Africa but in America, since they share the most abundant of the five characteristic mitochondrial haplogroups of the native populations of our continent: A, B, C, D and X. It should be noted that the small size of the sample is not an important factor because the genetic memory contained in human bodies encodes maternal lineages and transcends generations, territories and times. If Africans had resided in the Mesoamerican territory during very remote times, their mitochondrial DNA would be present in later generations. Since none of the other DNA studies of 300 individuals from other pre-Hispanic sites and times have found evidence of African haplogroups, it is further proof that the Olmecs were not of African stock. Ann Cyphers. PhD in history from UNAM.

[@frisco9568]

@@facade538 Thank you for the insight it is greatly appreciated!

[@anubis6861]

@@ourfatherinthegreen4065 we still is and shieet

[@bruhholmes]

Research Colombian drugs in Egyptian mummies, an abstract by S. A. Wells. I would link it but my comment would be taken down, it’s a great document though.

[@facade538]

No one knows how the cocaine got there, no proof. Nice try.

[@JungleJargon]

Nice intro bro 😎😄

[@henrygibbs9922]

Any bones been discovered?

[@coosadeshopoy]

Great show Real questions

[@skaramush397]

Do a video of the dna of the ancient Egyptian and Nubians