Ancient Sith Lord Momin’s Story Revealed - The ANCIENT SITH of Canon are Here!

[@starwarsreadingclub]

“If people feel nothing when encountering something you have created…then you have created nothing.” -Lord Momin What do you all think about the story of Lord Momin and the brief insight into the ancient Sith within the current Canon from yesterday’s Vader comic? I think the Mustafar storyline is shaping up to be pretty amazing at this point!

[@ZebwhittZW-]

Star Wars Reading Club I won't delta spuad and darth raven in to the canon and a new republic commando game

[@raghuvarv]

This is honestly the best canon comic issue so far. And Momin is a very interesting character. I really hope we get more canon content with Momin and other Sith of his era.

[@110100111000]

7:27 Odd, Vader seems to have a sad expression here.

[@Catalyst375]

I loved this story and your narration. Given how Momin said Mustafar was not always like that, do you suppose that Mustafar may have been the planet that Momin targeted?

[@KIRA-EL]

Momin was a misunderstood artist (murderous) but still.

[@lukeskywalkerthe2nd773]

Lord Momen is honestly my most favorite Canon Ancient Sith Lord right now! His backstory and motivations are so facanating to me, and I love that he played such an essential role in the construction of Vader's Castle on Mustafar! :)

[@cunxu2697]

Luke Skywalker the 2nd well there are not to many sithlords to choose from in the current canon😂 but he is and probably will be one of the most interesting sithlords in canon and legends

[@vibechecktsundere4912]

Luke Skywalker the 2nd the only ancient sith in canon are Bane and Momin, and we don’t even know Bane’s story in canon

[@Gilotopia]

He's just a common serial killer that got trained by a sith.

[@Catalyst375]

@@Gilotopia Momin is rather unique because he's not the typical "evil overlord" archetype of the Sith i.e. every Sith lord in the old canon; his ambition instead is to "create art" for his audience, the Dark Side of the Force itself. I can't think of any Sith in the old canon that anything similar to creating a device that stopped the flow of time, and all for the sake of creating an art masterpiece for the Dark Side.

[@undead4500]

he is the sith version of Stefano Valentini from the evil within. who basically an artist serial killer who sees death or murder as art and freezes time on his victims last moments before their deaths. Not to mention both Momin and stefano make sculptures out of dead bodies and wanted to be remembered by history.

[@mcpics4448]

Getting closer to real old republican story here

[@CynicallyObnoxious]

Disney will fuck it up thinking they can do better then what came before

[@orbaitv5991]

@CynicallyObnoxious Give it a chance. Most of they're books and comics are alright.

[@4G12]

@@CynicallyObnoxious Stop spewing bollocks. This ancient Sith is more interesting than most old Republic Sith.

[@CynicallyObnoxious]

@Gamer King after this ST and some of their comics I really don't have any faith it's really pathetic when fan made productions have more talent in story telling then a studio with billions at their disposal but Chuck Wendig getting canned was good the Aftermath trilogy was atrocious

[@hatefulgaming1800]

4G12 Care to give an example?

[@jmess003]

Very wise of Momin not to take an apprentice if he felt he wasn't up for it yet. He defeated his master, and easily could've taken an apprentice(to bad he never could) then felt he needed to be wiser. The sith order is very delicate, as if one sith was a poor master, that could very well translate to his/her student and to THEIR student and so on...

[@thirdplanet4471]

But it does fall on the student to improve upon their masters weakness and rise above if they are capable of it.

[@jmess003]

@@thirdplanet4471 all the more reason for the master to become as powerful as they can to better his student, thus the sith as a whole.

[@coreblue762]

You would expect a Sith with no aspirations of teaching a student to be selfish and greedy. Instead, Momin has a great hunger for knowledge. Perhaps born from a degree of selfishness and greed, but unlike that of most Sith.

[@trollzynisaacjohan1793]

He achieved immortality by placing his soul in his helmet. Kind of like the murr talisman.

[@togucvinw7]

Or more like the rule of two was some bs to him and he didnt wanted to risk being offed by an apprentice while doing some work of art

[@betitovader]

I like how this is a nice original story, instead of copying the old republic from legends

[@Giganfan2k1]

Which is why Disney Alderaned the EU. It's just this is the first story that actually captivates me.

[@AeneasGemini]

You could still have had an original story and kept the EU. There's literally thousands of years of history unacounted for and the Star Wars Galaxy is old and vast with a history that's deliberately uncharted

[@exarkun9790]

Roberto Santiago it’s actually very similar to Darth Nihilus’ story

[@temmietim1023]

"What purer agony for the artist than to be forgotten" this is the best line ever!

[@gavinsmith9871]

ok. At first, I thought Momin was lame. After that, I am sold. He's pretty awesome. Perhaps one day we shall get his demise from the Jedi's perspective.

[@Aereto]

Not many can make works of art that look like it came from an eldritch abomination.

[@gavinsmith9871]

true that. Meme concept: Momin isn't evil, he just wants to make works of art...

[@cybertater5236]

@@gavinsmith9871 Literally. Hitler.

[@JanPeverell]

Always the damn Jedi, destroying works of Sith art and culture... Issue 22 was absolutely amazing, and in so many ways. Momin's own beliefs echo classic Sith teachings, with his own unique twists as an artist to them. Sith (at least in Legends) always strove to become the perfect being, but perfection doesn't exist so you must never be complacent and try to become better; "If people feel nothing when encountering something you have created…then you have created nothing” reminds me of Legends!Palpatine's "A master without an apprentice is a master of nothing"; comparing the Dark SIde to a flame was common in the Darth Bane trilogy, and hunger and fuel evoke Darth Nihilus. I am extremely happy with this issue, and our first real glimpse of the Ancient Sith, whatever specific era these belong to. The Darth Vader comics very rarely disappoint. I'll be sad to see it end after this arc.

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

I still can't get over how Quickly I've come to love the artist Sith! Even though he's canon he would fit right into legends as well I'd think. With a story as subtle as it is revealing and dark. The fact he never got the title of Darth and kept the name momin and th fact that the Sith continued without him getting an apprentice tells us he must have been pre rule of two. Perhaps he was part of the canon equivalent of the brother hood of darkness before he butchered shaw and went his own path, and he was seen as a heretic for being to ahead of the other Sith around him? So many questions It is odd to see a Sith like him not at all concerned with conquering the Galaxy or getting revenge he just wan so create morbid master pieces, ableit ones on genocidal and reality warping levels which might have been another reason he was souned by other Sith. Might have been a bit too much of a loose canon being so revealing. I wonder how legends AINCEnt Sith would have reacted to him like malgus or Exar kun. Wonder how good he was a lightsaber fighting too he beat shaw fairly it seemed so he must be pretty good

[@Aereto]

Odds are his precision with the saber came from the dissection and probable vivisection when he makes his art. That comes to another question what style does he use to fight when needed.

[@blackshogun272]

Dude, being a Sith is about accumulating as much power as you can in your lifetime. Some have done so and died as they wished. Others have fallen in pain and hate at the hands of Jedi or rivals. And then the last kind have died happy and accepting of their life and fate like Darth Marr and Darth Vectivus. Tbh, I would conquer a star system or if I'm feeling bold, an entire sector and then forge a small Sith Empire or Kingdom 😁😎

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

Aereto fair points ! Hmmm, hard to tell from the few spots we see him lightsaber fighting. Jarki (I don't think I'm spelling that right ) is the duel fencing method is it not? I wouldn't be suprised if there was any niman in his style, a lot of smart types use niman.

[@ninvusoogoar6098]

it is not subtle lol, none of these canon comics are, you knew he was going to betray vader and that vader would win.

[@sisigs4820]

Yes.. I am..

[@zero69kage]

I think I have an interesting theory regarding why Momin's spirit hasn't become one with the Force. I think Momin might be a Wound in the Force. I believe that when a living being becomes a Wound they become unable to become one with the Force. I think Nihilus's mask had a similar effect in Legends.

[@spritecollcterFTW]

Its entirely possible. I could honestly see that perhaps in the moment of his consumption by his own 'art', he merged his energies with his mask similar to how Exar Kun did to the Yavin temple in Legends. or maybe it was similar to the Sith Karness Murr in the Vector arc in Legends, how he imbued his life force into a talisman that would allow him to haunt the minds of those who wore it.

[@alexandertaheri9035]

this is about the 4th video i've seen about this issue and i have to say its the best and most detailed of all... another great video

[@mitthrawnuruodo1730]

As an artist myself, this is my favorite sith Lord!

[@voidzwrathdankster4554]

I seek all ur knowallge from these comics of the dark and light

[@freeamericanthinker558]

Okay, this is the best sith lord back story ever written I am internally screaming are now thank you for sharing this awesome story, also good to see you again friend.

[@bobbyvee260]

Nice of have another Ancient Sith added to canon.

[@joshuafogg6600]

Bobby Vee And an actually decent one at that.

[@spartana1116]

4:42 a weapon poweed by tge force like this is a step closer to legend material

[@blackshogun272]

Mmmmm...I can hear the Rakata running about the Star Forge already 😂

[@alexanderblackwood9143]

I enjoy learning about Sith who don't take on the standard "villain" roles. Since the Dark and Light sides are often misconstrued as Evil vs Good, when in fact both factions are radicals. Since to become a Sith is to embrace the Force emotionally, instead of impartially like the Jedi. It has alot of room to create interesting characters.

[@David_J.E.]

The Vader comics are adding so much *texture* to canon and I adore it. I hope they keep it up.

[@luispeniche99]

I don't really like the Disney canon, but I liked this character. Thank you for the video!

[@grand-dadmiral]

Fascinating.

[@mgjmiller1995]

Where are you? Are the space whales safe? Are they alright?

[@apeman9238]

@@mgjmiller1995 he did not answer yet...why ? (Pardon my english)

[@kingcrimson1467]

I really like how some of the ancient Sith of canon are developing, Lord Momin is one of the most interesting Sith Lords in both canon and legends material. First, the presence from Rebels now this!

[@undead4500]

does anyone notice that Darth sidious is the only person in the comic that Momin's mask does not seem to affect him like Vader and everyone else? he even grabs and touches the mask casually while vader does not even dare touch the mask. Edit: Also Momin=star wars version of stefano from The evil within.

[@wardeni9603]

That is because Sidious' knowledge and power in the dark side exceed any sith that came before. Even Momin with his uniqueness has no power over Sidious. That's the key reason why Sidious wanted Anakin and later Luke as his apprentice, because other force users wouldn't have even been capable of learning all the things he had to teach, and his intent was immortality and co-ruling the galaxy forever with his apprentice.

[@jacobfreeman5444]

It is because Sidious is already "pure". Vader, as we know, is not fully commited to and consumed by the dark side.

[@dustintuesday4310]

Idk, Stefano from Days of Our Lives was pretty evil, too.

[@A.Lost.Astronaut]

*in the beginning of the video, Sidious says he and momin were both creators where other sith created their legacy through destruction* That would be my guess as to why he isn't affected like everyone else, *similar of mind* and traits not very prevalent in dark side users, but is a shared a commonality with all the great Sith

[@MrMaxenen11]

Thank you for showing this.

[@gamersinacontainer]

Absolutely epic!

[@starwarsreadingclub]

Couldn't agree more GIAC! The backstory planned out exactly as I was hoping it would re: the non-linear storytelling. :)

[@gamersinacontainer]

Star Wars Reading Club I’ve heard a theory going around that Momin is the one who made Mustafar the way it is now. It’s very interesting and I personally think it’s true based on what he told Vader about the planet.

[@UrbanDanceLegends]

The problem with the Shaa/Momin story is we have no historical timeline reference. We don't know if they came before Vitiate, just before Tenebrous, etc. There is no mention of which era they belong to.

[@TheBohobemeister]

As always, wonderful video Star Wars Reading Club!

[@fazbrogaming7776]

1:31 anyone else caught that?

[@connorryan2715]

Been waiting for info on this character for months and wasn’t disappointed

[@EM-lz4rb]

I've been looking foward to this.

[@codypainter3905]

I wonder if any Sith realized that murdering their master isn’t a necessity for graduating from apprenticeship to mastership

[@Niggurath-n4h]

Momin is more like a Sith Architect, rather than a Sith Lord.

[@Aqua311]

Sheesh. Even Momin had to ruin the lives of others to achieve his ends. And here I was hoping that he would distance himself from the Jedi and affairs of the galaxy in order to study the Force, but he meddled anyway and that's what brought the Jedi to his doorstep.

[@JefferyCheney]

Snoke's black ring is linked to Vader's castle. I can't help but feel more and more like somehow...this ancient Sith is linked to Snoke as well. I almost wonder if Snoke's death in Last Jedi was not a death at all. Momin is obviously interested in a place or realm where the dead can be brought back or contacted, hence his comments about Padme. Perhaps Snoke's ring, being made from the same obsidian as Vader's castle, is itself a key to this "purgatory" and allows Snoke to essentially become immortal...a link to the world of the living. Like a horcrux from Harry Potter or something.

[@joshuafogg6600]

Also, Lightdaggers. *_New Lightsaber Type Discovered_*

[@ritamosss8589]

you awesome guys, cograts for your work, one of the best channel by far

[@gamewatch6861]

Interesting. As a young artist myself I can understand where Momin is coming from. Of course his addition of the dark side takes it too far, but it's an interesting twist none the less.

[@isaiasvalladares4210]

Momin understood creation itself. That's something very few geniuses can attain. I like him because he know's the truth of the hardships of creation and the corruption of perfection, which isn't all bad but must be tempered.

[@dwaugh2215]

one of the few canons I really dig, and this ancient sith is a badass!

[@luisemoralesfalcon4716]

Calling it right now, Mustafar and the city Momin's destroyed are the same and the Mustafarians are what is left of the citizens affected by his Engine.

[@ryansanico6539]

Moma should have his own Star wars movie.

[@SixerMason]

I hope this door Momin was on about isn't more bloody time travel.

[@ShadowWolfRising]

I like how he was just a crazy git who went "I don't remotely care about the Sith Order, I just want to make messed up art.".

[@guilherme5094]

This is great!

[@oweninsect]

At 2:08 what is momin creation?

[@YodaMan-420]

**in a sith voice** "Vader, I am your Momin!"

[@ryansanico6539]

Wow this story is really Interesting to listen to

[@Ashguy733]

I may exclusively just read legends, but this is interesting. Im hoping the Old Republic in canon is different from Legends, i get the feeling that the Sith are more in canon along the lines of very powerful individuals whom the Jedi seek out like hunters over an actual Sith Empire.

[@Spartan-343]

A Sith empire (more than one actually) during the Old Republic era has already being comfirmed in canon. The Tarkin novel was the first to mention it I believe.

[@Ashguy733]

@@Spartan-343 oh interesting! That sounds promising.

[@HonestHappyHater]

@@Spartan-343 Actually, some sort of Sith-run large state was confirmed before Disney decanonisation. Darth Sidious in RotS mentioned that the Sith once ruled the galaxy

[@Spartan-343]

Ah yes I remember the line, but it wasn't confirmed in the new canon what form that rulership took. Tarkin book is the first thing in the new canon to clarify the form that rulership too was a Sith Empire.

[@ianli3027]

I'd like to mention that in A Clone Wars episode Palpatine does refer to the existence of past Sith Empires.

[@MominEnjoyer]

Momin is literally my favorite Sith Lord, he's so underrated

[@Zeknif1]

So... big question. Do you think we'll get a scene where Thrawn gets to lay eyes upon Momin's masterpiece?

[@AndrewAce.]

So friggin awesome...

[@msgtgalarza9946]

Crazy interesting and the best

[@davidtinkle9634]

Lord Momin's definition of art is not art, 'tis abomination. No wonder the other ancient Sith Lords labeled him a heratic

[@fireofargentis]

He is like the Sith version of Master Fey

[@maarvin2092]

1:30 oh boy yes

[@Tengu125]

Essentially, Lord Momin is a practitioner of Dark Art.

[@luckysix1015]

I wonder if Momin's Weapon and the sith temple on Melachor are related, they both froze ( or meant to at least) a mass amount of people in deep pain and fear

[@rileylapointe6215]

luckysix that’s what I was thinking

[@willaverynerdyclarinetist6131]

I just realized something. Thé castle in the hologram that momin showed vader doesn't match what vader's castle looks like in other images. The hologram castle only had two spikes at the peak of it, while the other images we see bear more of a ressemblance to sauron's castle, as the other images we've seen of vader's castle have 4 spikes

[@willaverynerdyclarinetist6131]

I feel like the writer for this comic got the idea of freezing time right before death to show the fear on the people's faces from pompeii, because in the ruins of pompeii, (Don't quote me on this, I'm no historian.) you can see the statues of people that the ash and soot formed as it hardened around the bodies of the people of pompeii.

[@CiabanItReal]

I left a like for uninvited enemies.

[@sderalla]

What is music playing in the background?

[@ADR69]

Very interesting character

[@johnbones3455]

If Sander Cohen was a Sith Lord

[@Marvindlight]

NOBODY EXPECTS THE JEDI INQUISITION!!

[@vitalsmile9309]

Is that a bad edit at 1:30

[@arbington]

I like him. Quality new Sith character.

[@jaysonisgreat]

It's mom-in? I've been reading it as Moe-min during my read through.

[@OnBrandRP]

It's kind of sad to think about how Darth Vader searched so long for the door to save his loved one when Ezra found the very door he so longed for and managed to save the one Vader failed to kill.

[@TyrannoNoddy]

"pierce the veil of time" Could we be seeing the return of the World Between Worlds?

[@joshuafogg6600]

So apparently evil Anime Elves can be Sith. Edit: I'll accept Momin.

[@richardcrosby6682]

What about Lord Dadout?

[@jmess003]

1:30

[@wolffox3675]

1:31 Easter egg?

[@A.Lost.Astronaut]

*This is why I like graphic videos from Liveleak or watch the video footage of the Station nightclub fire similar to momin's reason for creating, "if people are to create they should push towards the emotions that are fundamental to their most basic animalistic-selves the emotions of pain and fear." to steal a quote I heard once from Jim Cant Swim "we as the viewer were able to watch every sequence of events unfold cognate to a virtual reality crime simulator, only, this was real life occurrence with real people and real consequences the concern, doubt, anguish, fear, passion, and burden were all genuine *the distinctive and various emotions at our raid were far more gripping and engrossing to its viewing audience then any Oscar-worthy production could ever hope to be."* Ahh I love truly love Starwars now, I never thought id see these concepts come into play in the lore

[@christinebouzas3090]

Momins engine sounds a lot like the weapon Star Wars: rebels on malachor

[@yseson_]

I'm going to name my next band the Uninvited Enemies

[@brian554xx]

I love the outro music. Can anyone point me to a similarly styled, hour-long, non-repeating song?

[@Aereto]

Momin embraces the concept of the dark side, and would fit in very well as an architect for the Old Gods.

[@danielcharland1374]

You mean from Warcraft?

[@aironuu7102]

I was thinking exactly the same.

[@AndresRamirez-fi5uw]

Question, how did the sith order survive if Moman did not take an apprentice. And how come the Jedi thought the Sith were extinct after that force bomb killed many sith if that was before Bane and the rile of two

[@wardlafferty362]

Was Lord Momin around prior to Darth Bane & the rule of 2.

[@ddpzzp553]

yes

[@thegoblin2004]

What species is momin?

[@thewayfarer8849]

I don't like the new direction, but the current writers sure do get the Sith. The writing and story styles aren't all that, but the "outside lore" if you will gives it the kind of meat I read in the Bane books. Perhaps they might make more fringe dark side orders...or ACTUALLY GET TO SNOKE AND REN. CAN WE PLEASE SEE ANYTHING WHATSOEVER REGARDING THE BELIEFS OF THE KNIGHTS OF REN BEFORE THIS TRILOGY ENDS? It's like the "current" time is a cancer. There is such a void of intriguing philosophical Force users. Rey is (at best) an amateur hero whose ideal is "do good, kill evil". Ren is a conflicted crusader without his needed creed explained. People CAN write this new EU stuff. So don't leave it to idiots like Rhian and JJ. I don't want/believe in the fucking mystery box. Give me a good showing as to the powers behind the First Order. People will steal credit, but the audience will know who took the first step and we'll thank you for actually giving us what we want to know.

[@elijahwatson3474]

You do know Lucasfilm tend to fill in the blanks after a trilogy is done right? We didn't get Darth Plaugis before 3 and the Clone Wars show came out 3 years after the prequel trilogy was done.

[@thewayfarer8849]

Very good point, but considering we have relatively little I was more hopeful for something. TCW and Plagueus added to wars and political strife directly mentioned, we know of commanders and character archetypes. The Sequels could have had something filled out by now, even a small comic or what have you on the Knights of Ren would have gone a long way

[@elijahwatson3474]

@@thewayfarer8849 While recently finished the Poe comics does add some stuff to Sequels and the Knights of Ren are walking spoilers if they revealed what they are before IX. I theorize the Knights could have students who fled with Kylo and Luke line matches with thought. I can see IX establishing them and we get better depth after the movie so we won't have issues like with legends Sidious(who was very crazy while canon Sidious is more subtle and act insane here and there) Ventress and Maul fates.

[@thewayfarer8849]

I knew the Poe comics covered post TLJ, it's not bad but I'm personally most interested in the Force users. I understand what you mean, they shouldn't spoil potential plot or tread on the directors toes when he's making the movie. But something small at least, even that confirmation that they were students (I agree with you on that speculation) would be better than nothing at all save one picture in a flashback. We have external lore like the Bendu, Poe, Battlefront 2 and such being written. We got the silly Snoke ring thing too. To me these two things show that they can write peripheral lore, and can sort of cover background to the films to a small extent. It shouldn't have been a damn ring for a now dead character. All I'm saying is a little hint to their beliefs, not even anything major would go a long way. Hopefully you can see where I'm coming from here. Government and crime wise I'm less frumpy, but I would like to know more about the game changers that have always been the biggest faction focus in series.

[@elijahwatson3474]

@@thewayfarer8849 There could Prequel books like journey the TFA and TLJ. They could revealed some insight into the Knights and what the galaxy. The material tie into the films have been good.

[@slimmdusty8809]

I want a momln comic series

[@KA_RA25]

They should make a movie about this Named MOMIN. Ending with him fighting Vader.

[@KuddlesbergTheFirst]

He is Junkrat, but as an elf?

[@AlexPerez-tt9ru]

All i can hear at the beginning was" before creation comes destruction"

[@blackshogun272]

*Beerus gets up out of his food coma instantly*

[@patternwhisperer4048]

Wait, why did vader think saving lives was a lie? palpetine just wasn't able, or at least refused to, save padme. Also Palpetine never claimed he could save her alone at that time but that they could find a way together

[@ashlyyin8936]

Why was the story repeated?

[@animationcity8611]

Wym?

[@abdullahibngaryharris1132]

Momin created Mustafar as it is? He seemed to know what Mustafar looked like before. Plus why wasn't it brought up that he scared his face up, I felt there was significants to The Canon Star Wars lore

[@hathynhighley8548]

What species is Momin?

[@NoobMB2]

momin cuts his own face before donning the mask and we never see his face again, also he is near-human. Could this alude to some snoke theorys? It's said that the ring snoke has was made from the rock beneath vader's castle.

[@mittensfastpaw]

I need more.......

[@xriegle]

For uninvited enemies!

[@jedimasterren5520]

I’m hoping they make sith socery canon again... make Momin one of the earliest sith sorcerer.... that would be cool

[@jamesstumpf75]

You explained this so much better than Star Wars explains did. His channel has really went to hell ever since Yoko took over.

[@yourjokesaretotallyfromthe8909]

Which are wiser? Momin, Palpatine or Raven?

[@giovanicomin8665]

You know this thing that someone possessed by a Mask sound so similar how Darth Nihilus' Mask control someone too. BUt the difference between Momin and Nihilus is that: Momin is a Creator while Nihilus want CONSUME/FEED the galaxy.

[@Princeofknowelege]

Why is his title Lord Momin instead of Darth Momin?

[@zeyuanluo9707]

Lord Ma Man

[@that1587]

Revan 🤞

[@bobbyhill7313]

Hey Starwars Reading Club I have a question for you about something I've been wondering about if u could get back with you about it would be awesome

[@spartana1116]

Since I saw only Momin and his master its easy to assume that he lived during the rule of two sith era

[@michajasniewski7875]

He did not take apprentice on his own, so the Sith would disappear forever if it was during post-Bane era

[@emmetbayne2561]

It's actually only possible that it takes place before the Rule of Two. Because Momin never took an apprentice. And if he took no apprentice, then the Sith would have died with him. Therefore there had to have been other Sith around.

[@elijahwatson3474]

Not all Sith talk and knew what each excalty we're doing. His Master could have easily took a Apprentice without talking to other Sith Lords and they discover him after his fall.

[@Amadeo790]

Is it me or is 3:18 bad fight choriography? The shot shows the master should have won by cutting Momen in the stomach.

[@brianshaffneraclc]

Yes, that fight scene was more than a little contrived. No sith master worth their salt should have been taken out simply by being challenged to a duel. Sidious remarked in one of the novels that the sith order had largely evolved beyond the need for lightsabers, but still used them to humiliate the jedi. A true master would have put the upstart apprentice down with a force ability, or perhaps the "apprentice" would have been chagrined to suddenly realize he'd already been poisoned, the master being canny enough to realize his intentions. It's the one real flaw in Momin's otherwise well written back story.

[@msgtgalarza9946]

so momin was in the Lord Vader's Castle and he Force choke him too also who was the very first Sith and how did the Sith exist how did all the others join the Sith side