Ancient Tube Drills, Part 2! More context, more Petrie, more cores, even some examples from Peru!

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[@stevelundin5705]

I worked as an archaeologist for about twenty years. Even my time at university included brushing up against the sub-discipline of egyptology, which I'll get to in a moment. Archaeology is, as was pointed out in the above video, a skill-set that gets more specific (and isolated) the further in you go: it rarely includes engineering knowledge, or that of materials in terms of composition or use/working characteristics. It still shies away from archaeoastronomy and physical representation of mathematical concepts. Most of all, it is driven by a set time-line highly resistant to challenge. That time-line is linear, proceeding from primitive to complex (parallel and implicitly dependent upon notions of biology, specifically evolution). Once that assumption is established as fact, it becomes conservative and self-protective (careers are at stake). Throw in something like cultural identity and national pride, and archaeology becomes a vehicle for nationalism and propaganda. Egyptology is a cult. To join, you must swear to the established timeline. Even to so much as question it, is grounds for dismissal, so you learn to keep your mouth shut, to respect your elders, and blithely turn away from anomalous evidence. What'll it take to bring it all crashing down? Well, partly a generational turn-over, but also a handful of brave souls willing to challenge the paradigm. This applies to all archaeology (I saw it firsthand with Clovis First), not just egyptology. My own conclusions, for what they're worth? The growing preponderance of anomalous evidence suggests one or more advanced civilizations existed in the deep past, for which most evidence has been destroyed or submerged. The Younger-Dryas bolide impact theory looks pretty solid to me and the evidence for it is, well, everywhere. That said, taking down the conventional paradigm won't be easy, but videos like this one knock a hefty chip off the monolith. Well done.

[@einargulbrandsen9564]

When is the Clovis First going to get a proper name? Names like Clovis people, Clovis tribe, Clovis civilization should be closer to the truth.

[@UnchartedX]

Thank you for the comment. I agree, it's very dogmatic. I try to not go too hard at the establishment position, but the comparison to religious dogma seems to fit.

[@strangetranceoffaith]

For an archaeologist you seem very persuaded by someone admitting they don't know the answer so Magic technology? Just for one minute lets agree that the younger dryas impact is on solid ground though in truth i think you are jumping the gun, how does this speak in any way to levels of technology at the time?

[@BudSchnelker]

David Leo Morley -- You sound like a very thoughtful and balanced person, not at all given to bouts of irrational anger. I can only imagine that your own scholarship is marked by its tendencies for openness and impartiality.

[@Mr.Riojas]

@@davidleomorley889 That is a pretty emotionally angry response that reminds me of how some religious people respond to being called cult-like or otherwise so caught up in their own narrative they cannot reasonably accept the possibility that they could be mistaken. It happens, a lot, in academia. The fact that you mention Petrie's mistake regarding the lineage of ancient Egyptians and modern Egyptians (let alone the evidence of other civilizations who were once at respective technological high points but fell) demonstrates the technological and cultural devolution that can occur. In other words: it is entirely possible for an advanced civilization to be succeeded by a less advanced civilization despite being descendants thereof. But, you seem to be full of defensive vitriol so it is unlikely you will be open minded to possibly being wrong.

[@jkbenning]

As an electrical and mechanical engineer; I am encouraged to see you seeking technical analysis / data of these ancient artifacts. The scientific method should let the evidence take us to where it leads. Not trying to make it fit into our preconceived beliefs. Thanks for the work you are doing!

[@toddprifogle7381]

Does it appear to you that some method of manipulating the molecular bond in the granite at specific points has been used ? The tube drills and with the highly polished looking surfaces and other mastery of stone . A technology not currently known. I'm wondering if you also lean toward that thought ?or am I just freaking out lol ?

[@al2207]

@@toddprifogle7381 my theory of desintegrator is : cutting is done by getting rid of the valence electrons, the last level of electrons around the atom that is responsible of accretion of atoms together by sharing atoms , the tool use the removal of electron and intense magnetic field to extract the atoms rendered free so cutting at the atomic level will not leave to many traces , one side effect will be the glassy surface by the re-attachment of atoms of silica to the untouched walls creating the very thin quartz coating , it is not material so no interaction from the cutting tool to the surface of the rocks

[@nicksothep8472]

@Wayne Walker what a dick.

[@dot789666]

Someone with a mind thank!

[@GamingDad]

@James Registe it wasnt always dry. But you'd have to go back in time 12000 years.

[@ian-c.01]

Something nobody seems to have considered is dust extraction from the cutting action. I've drilled hundreds of deep cores at work in brick, concrete and stone and the biggest problem you face even with small diameter cores is dust clogging the cutting teeth, it slows down the cut, packs tightly below the core cutter and will jam the bit. It is necessary to constantly flush or vacuum the dust out to achieve even a fairly low feed rate, the feed rate evident in the examples you are showing is not physically possible due to the quantity of dust it would produce and the high level of difficulty in removing that dust from the cutting face. I can see with my own eyes a a spiral groove that shows a very high feed rate but a core drill or tube drill is not capable of removing the dust at that rate. The deeper the bit goes, the more friction on it and as the dust builds up it reduces depth of cut and creates more and more friction, the biggest issue with core drilling is waste removal. The spiral grooves also show a single cutting tooth was used, this would produce a very unstable tool which would need to be supported and braced to produce such a straight hole, when carbide tipped or diamond tipped core drills lose a couple of teeth they are impossible to control and will not produce a straight cut. The cut tries to wander more and more the deeper it goes which creates more and more friction until it jams, the only option is to use a new bit with at least 3 evenly spaced teeth. It's physically impossible to achieve such a high feed rate with a single toothed core drill and such perfectly straight deep cuts ! Whatever method was used to cut these holes was far more complex than you think !

[@ian-c.01]

@Cheyne Yarrington I wasn't there when they did it so I cannot explain it sorry. I do have a theory which might explain how it was done though. The only method I can think of which would produce similar results and avoid those problems is high pressure water jetting. You could do this with heavy pistons being pressed down into large stone water vessels and using hollow green bamboo as piping. Water jetting produces a similar tapered cut which gets narrower at the tip and can cut through anything with enough pressure. Whatever method was used it was developed over many decades, maybe even generations through trial and error, we won't be able to work it out in our heads without practical experimentation using the same materials that they used.

[@nv1493]

Questioning is part of the dialogue and helps resolve anomolies. None of knows the real method used but I agree with the premise of your looking to clarify details.

[@Yankeeprepperasshat]

You could apply suction to the inside of the cutting tube. That would remove dust to a point. What’s the longest core they’ve ever found? That could tell us a lot. If we find 1 meter cores, we know they were somehow able to clean out the dust. Or maybe the cutting tube was mounted into a keyed hole in the floor and the rock being drilled was set on the cutting tool and rotated. Then all material would be removed continually.

[@sofascialistadankulamegado1781]

Exactly

[@ScreamingEagleFTW]

@@Yankeeprepperasshat whats the purpose of the holes? I mean why were they drilling holes in the stones?

[@patrickmihajlovic4112]

Very... *very...* FASCINATING !! An Enigma in itself !!? I'm litetally astonished how loud the mainstream aegyptologist's are remaining quiet about this topic! !!

[@Xerpadon]

What is even more interesting is when you start doing math. 4mm per hour, a small block of 3Lx1Hx1W requires 6 cuts on 4mm per hour that is 3500 hours (145 days) for 1 block. and there are 2.3 million blocks. it would take egyptians 918950 years to build the pyramids on the methods of mainstream. Also this calculation is based on 24/7 sawing nonstop. in this case and this is based upon a 3 man team. so even if 3000 teams of 3man were sawing at the same time for 24/7 it would still take 307 years. But no one can work 24/7 actively every second so 615 years would be more realistic. 12 hours a day, But like i said 3Lx1Hx1W in meters is just a small block. there are much larger blocks thus the time would only increase.

[@oldbatwit5102]

@@Xerpadon The most ridiculous misuse of basic math I have seen for quite a while.

[@Xerpadon]

@@oldbatwit5102 Please indulge me, explain it to the lay folk as if they were 3 year of age and still wanted to understand. there is no "misuse" this is literally how archaeologist say it, 4 mm per hour.

[@oldbatwit5102]

@@Xerpadon This is what I am laughing at..... it would take egyptians 918950 years to build the pyramids

[@edwardmulder3777]

They don't want to lose their jobs

[@davidbarclay4788]

ive layed bricks for 25years and struggle with my piers about keeping basic standards ! I live in Melbourne Australia and to think were I come from is roughly 150years old was mind bending to me when I went to Europe in 2010. stone steps alone leading into most old place and the wear was amazing to me at the time. Now I watch you and I don't know what to say or think ! expect as we as people move ford we are definitely gone backwards in our hand skills. love your work keep on punching holes into our past I for 1 love it.

[@garywheeler7039]

(peers) :-)

[@bustarogers9990]

@@garywheeler7039 he means piers as in columns mate lol.

[@Tampo-tiger]

Fantastic comment mate, and that's exactly how I feel admiring these incredibly ancient things. We're very lucky to appreciate it, and to be able to do so.

[@chrissibersky4617]

@@garywheeler7039 What do you mean?

[@garywheeler7039]

@@chrissibersky4617 : nothing to be worried about. Peers are people like you are. Piers are short columns usually. The words sound the same that is all.

[@Thedramaqueen001]

Hi All, I worked for some years with my father doing fundaments in cement, cutting and polishing gravestones etc. (yes, some people have this as an occupation :-), I showed this clip to my father who got very silent and had some thought about this.. Yesterday we talked about it again and he finds it very interesting with the "continuously cut holes" he says that this is impossible to achieve today with the tools stone cutters has in terms of drills etc. The biggest concern he has about it is that the dust and materials produced when cutting is vast and has to be drained/removed during the cut. he explains that the current hi-speed diamond cutters cannot drill deeper than just a couple of centimeters (at the most) before draining and adding new water, and that this is one of the reasons you don't see continuously "spiral cut marks" as the dust and cut away rock sand "polish" the sides of the cut hole.. Hahaha! this has started a big "talk" amongst my dads friends here.. Hope you can go to Egypt and make the silicon mold prints soon. Cheers.

[@finnmccool4943]

Scientist against miss drill these on video

[@tristanpatterson3843]

That last example is astounding. It was definitely some sort of machine to send 2 holes that deep at such close proximity to each other. Even our best diamond imbedded core drills today are rougher than that.

[@cacalio9695]

Amazing - the work you are doing in analysing these sites in such detail is fantastic. You are doing such important work, thank you for your great channel.

[@rachmanny]

I went into CNN yesterday and saw an article on Ancient Egypt on the front page. After I read I was so disappointed at the lack of aw and analysis to all of the evidence in plain sight screaming how little we know . The media and mainstream are so oblivious I want to bang my head against the wall. Thanks for diving into this topic for all of us in a civilized and academic manner UnchartedX.

[@JAG8691]

blackzed I believe that it is an Extinct PalaeoMedia Network that was around during the Late Globalist Period but was a victim of the CT Event( Clinton - Trump boundary Event ) when the Earth was hit by a Massive Gigantic Asteroid called POTUS 45 which triggered the Mass extinction of Mainstream Media-Saurids across the Globe.

[@redwoodcoast]

@@JAG8691 Great! ...but I think you mean POTUS 45, not 48.

[@JAG8691]

@@redwoodcoast You are correct thank you for pointing that error out.

[@phoneone1371]

Jorge that was awsome

[@sharongillesp]

#EnmanuelleAlfonso: CNN and others along with traditional ancient studies rejecting new evidence is very anti-science. A battle is now being waged between science and a system of some kind of self-preservation I truly don't understand. It's as though a certain mindset refuses to advance itself and chooses Instead lies and deceit as a way to preserve their lie/life. It's bizarre.

[@markb8468]

This is excellent work. I am a journeyman machinist w 15 years of machining experience. The feed rates for cutting hard stone w diamond tooling is maybe .0002"/revolution. These spiral grooves r amazing to me. The tool pressure required would necessarily b enormous requiring a very rigid machine. Like a radial arm drill press or a boring mill. Amazing

[@chlessig]

The tool that made those marks may have had hard bits of stone set in the rim of a soft copper tube. When they wore and needed to be replaced, the new full sized hard bits would score the sides of the cut as the tube was "screwed" into the cut on the way to the bottom. This could account for the for the signs of a fast lead since it would not be going through solid stone, just enlarging the original cut.

[@johncampbell829]

Great presentation...I like that you always think OUTSIDE the box.

[@olo_smooth_olo5606]

We all Know Zahi Hawass is the one dislike.

[@kevincrady2831]

Looks like Mark Lehner showed up to give him an assist. :)

[@richardwarsin5174]

Hawass if you drop the first two letters of his last name it will explain everything.

[@judygiovannetti5849]

It upsets me to see people putting digs in on each other. What is the point? Can't we just get along?

[@judygiovannetti5849]

@The Godless wow!!

[@judygiovannetti5849]

@The Godless my email said you replied to someone else, but noticed your icon ? But don't see who you replied to, your user name seems so far off my friend! You know the Bible so well, your name is misleading! Should be the Godliness or something of the sort. Just think about it, that's all.

[@garywheeler7039]

Its really great to see a multidisciplinary and in depth approach to these questions. It shows that archaeologists are not the final word and opens the discussion more.

[@sharonholdren3645]

In 1976-77 when I went to Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Palestine and Israel, even having years of education regarding these places, and being half way through my Master's in Geography (Middle East) I still knew nothing! I had been originally educated in the Young Earth tradition of the Fundamentals. But I also had three years of working with the Kentucky Geological Survey (and some teasing) and had been reared to think broadly about the world. Petra was the eye-opener. After that, there was no going back. Now I feel only sadness for those who limit themselves to the insides of one single book for history, science and philosophy. The quality and up your presentation is improving with each new podcast.

[@therealb888]

Glad that you addressed the point of not having enough samples tested and you have an open mind instead of claiming anything as absolute truth!. Subscribed!👍

[@mikehunt8375]

Exactly. That's why I cant stand Brien Forester. I like hes setting the bar for an alternative view but he speaks as if everything is fact and WILL not here any alternative views. That's just a very bad archeologist, basically another Zahi

[@Mateyhv1]

@@mikehunt8375 totally agree with you statement. In fact Brien has an agenda since he selling books and tours, but has a zero knowledge on real archeology. He just keeps repeating his story like a mantra.

[@jeffborne1]

Thanks, Ben, fabulous research, as always.

[@yannbiron4593]

Great addendum! The example you've made with the cellphone is right on point Ben, just like a medieval man stumbling on a smartphone that's where we stand today when face with the marvellous work of the ancient. The fact that we can't even figured out the purpose of their work and constructions says a lot. Looking forward to your next video on resonnance, most likely a key part of the whole enigma, thank you very much, Peace.👊

[@christopherhogan691]

Thank you for this non mainstream video..I am very fascinated.. I am just a simple worker and would like to put an idea out there.. In fact excuse me for the simplicity.. When I have a project in another city or country I take my equipment always with me, do my job and take my equipment back home.. I would never leave my priceless tools behind.. This thought came to me considering why the ancients, or angels, or nephilim or extra terrestrial beings left no trace of machinery behind that they had used to build and construct such unbelievable monuments of such precision.. It's the only plausible conclusion after no findings and almost no trace of equipment is anywhere to be found.. Neither in S. A. nor Cambodia..

[@marshalbass7098]

Drill-ception! Great find. Love the technology content you're producing. Petrie sounds like brilliant thinker. Thanks for keeping his ideas alive. You're right on target Ben. Vids are pure gold.

[@deelove6899]

We are looking at astonishing feats of structural engineering without the luxury of having it explained to us by the engineers, no blue prints, no schematics, thousands of years later at which time we are lucky anyone can read the written stories. It's like solving a 5000 year old mystery. Prayer to Isis: Awake, awake, awake. Awake in peace. Awake in beauty. Lady, may you be satisfied. Rise thou in peace. Rise in beauty. Divine of life. Beauty in sky. Sky in peace. Earth is in peace. Divine daughter of Nut. Daughter of Geb. Beloved of Osiris. Goddess rich in names! All praise to you! I adore you, I adore you, lady Isis. Come to my dream and help me put the divine female back on her throne. May the divine qualities arise quickly in this reality. Namaste

[@DanJanTube]

The sound of the machining process is encoded on the core. Scan the core and play it like an Edison phonograph cylinder.

[@El_Chompo]

That's true with the right frequency analysis you might be able to figure out the fundamental frequency of the tool holder which would tell you a little bit about the size and shape of it since fundamental frequency is directly correlated with length in the case of a single arm cutting tool like on a lathe, I'm not sure what it would tell you about a hollow cutting cylinder though with teeth. It would be difficult but you are right there is definitely some information to be gained there. The trouble is how flaky the rock chips apart, a lot of the embedded information will be lost with the imperfections in how the stone comes apart. You would want to find the cuttings with the most perfect cuts and least flakes and imperfections.

[@sychrov81]

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[@El_Chompo]

@Wayne Walker You must not understand how phonographs work. Do you care to elaborate?

[@richardsledgecock2110]

That is genius. I sure hope someone tries your idea. By god I bet it would work...great idea

[@nicksothep8472]

@@El_Chompo don't mind him, this guy is an absolute dick, all he does is offend people and laugh at subjects he can not possibly understand. He's one of those sad humans which find strength belittling others knowing he's backed up by a large number of other close minded idiots.

[@wainr777able]

Keep digging grasshopper, and we will all find the truth together. Never allow discouragement to intervene. I do believe that you are, "THE ONE", the one that will bring knowlage and understanding of our true distance past to light. Push harder my friend, . . . push harder!!!

[@juniorballs6025]

I was nervous when I clicked, but needn't have been - fantastic work, really well researched and put together and you've not resorted to magic which is always a bonus! Subscribed 😎👍

[@JuusoAlasuutari]

Part 1 was the first video from you I've seen. I'm really impressed. I appreciate how thoughtful and reasonable your material is. Being thoroughly frustrated by all the woo woo bullshit that these subject matters inspire, I'm honestly surprised that none of that makes its way into your content. Finally something that doesn't anger me with speculative bullcrap, but still has that enticing, rare, untarnished "wtf, what if..." approach. Just fucking excellent. Keep your head sharp man, it's worth a thousand new age angel healing crystals.

[@IlkkaFriman]

Hyvä Juuso!!!👍

[@spacekaleidoscope3461]

I didn’t know Chumlee from pawn stars was into Egypt, that’s awesome

[@bradleyrogers6697]

Me too!

[@alanheadrick7997]

DOH!

[@lorenhendricks9910]

Ben, your rationale is refreshing, open minded. I wish more researchers had your mindset.

[@jeffa6780]

Love and appreciate the hard work you put into your videos to get them to us, your knowledge-starved audience. Colloquial pronunciation differences are expected when the world is talking to each other on KZbin. Thankee (American, old Southern pronunciation still respectfully used)

[@fergusmcclelland9833]

Ben, mate, you are one of only a very small number of people who are looking at the evidence and telling the world not only what was made but also what it implies. Your films are utterly stunning in their careful examination of what is out there for all so see but need films like yours to really see what is there. Thanks for all your films.

[@UnchartedX]

Cheers, thanks.

[@robertrishel3685]

Always really nice when you drop a new video!

[@andrewlawrence6634]

Been to Egypt four times and must admit that i'm now 100% behind these ideas for the Sphinx being way older than they say it is, and the ancient engineering involved in some of the artefacts found, I've tried to bring this conversation up with local tour guilds there they all just try to change subject or stone wall you and won't say anything about the subject. My next trip there when the borders open up is gona be targeted to these sites that you listed here. keep doing the good work and eventually there will be enough people to challenge the government line.

[@tommyh.8391]

Great video. I love this kind of content. Consider the “After the Fact Theory”, that the feed rate of the tubular drill doesn’t matter. It could take 6 hours or 6 days to drill the hole. I believe the spiral (helical) grooves were created when the tubular drill was withdrawn or “unscrewed” from the stone.

[@nj3957]

That would mean the drill being larger on the way out of the hole than it was on the way in.

[@donm2255]

@@nj3957 Not really. It could be all the ground stone that had not been evacuated. One of the larger fragments gets stuck and makes a grove as the drill pipe is lifted and rotated out.

[@nj3957]

You would only rotate a tube drill out if it had diamond tipped teeth. If it was a copper tube and sand used to make the hole you would lift the tube straight out, it's not going to be a tight fit in the hole. Also, although I acknowledge it is possible to make holes with a copper tube and sand this would be an incredibly laborious process - there would not be so many seemingly pointless holes around. There would be a few copper tubes however...

[@cryptickcryptick2241]

@@nj3957 This drilling may have been partially to fully automated. That could explain the "pointless" drill holes. One worker might have been responsible for 5, 10, or 100 drills. This drill setup might have been relatively simple tool set in a bamboo box, There is evidence of water flow around the area. There could have water wheels and ropes to create a type of powered drill. Remember ancient Egypt had looms and understood complex ropes. If one worker had the ability to water, check and supervise 100 drills, (going between them, adding cutting sand, check for progress, and replacing drills ect) slow progress could have been quickly. In Asia, Bamboo can be used as water pipe for field irrigation, and some places use a teeter-totter like device to grind grain, when one end fills with water it gets heavier and falls down. This could pull on a rope. Once down it empties the water and a weight on the other end causes it to rise automatically. Running a rope around a device such as this, with a simple rope, a drill might allow almost automated operation. I think one could also run water and cutting sand inside of a drill bit to help wash out the cuttings. If a worker were given 100 drills in a row to supervise, and other experienced coworkers who could come help, he could drill more.

[@cryptickcryptick2241]

Today, in modern factories we sometimes pay people by the work they do, if Egyptians paid workers by the number of holes drilled, and they had unlimited number of drills; a small team, running a number of mostly automated drills, powered by water power or rope power, could make progress, and drill 24 hours a day. For power, I propose water power, diverted overhead until it is needed and then going into a water wheel type device. There could be other simple solutions is using ropes, and sticks. Interesting to ponder.

[@peternicholls6532]

Subscribed about a week ago, watched quite a few of the videos you have presented with absolute fascination, (wish you could have been one of my teachers at school that's for sure! ) the way you put all the arguments into context leaves only one conclusion my friend, and that is the truth!. The rest just want to bury their heads in the sand!...keep up the good work :)

[@johnd.hollandivd.c.4449]

Until we discover an actual ancient drill bit or drilling device/tool, the enigma of Epyptian tube hole drilling methodology will never be varifiable. However, you make a remarkably sound case for reasonable understandability. I really enjoyed this presentation. Thank you!

[@dgafbrapman688]

Remember there is no evidence for the official explination either, just speculation from a position of ignorance. Atleast hes letting the evidence dictate the answer instead of the other way around.

[@johnd.hollandivd.c.4449]

@@dgafbrapman688 "...he's letting the evidence dictate the answers instead of the other way around." exactly why I'm subscribed to this channel and eagerly await his new material!

[@dgafbrapman688]

@@johnd.hollandivd.c.4449 me too👍 im a machinist, and what i see wasnt done by hand, the only way to make some of those cuts is by machine. I personally feel theres more information thats either been destroyed to maintain status quo; or is being held from public view.

[@Saugaverse]

In one hand, I agree with you. If a drill bit was so hard it could easily cut thru granite, then there must be 1000's of them still lying around somewhere, right? Hidden under the sand maybe? Of course if the holes were cut using a different method, then the tools that made them no longer exist.

[@dgafbrapman688]

@@Saugaverse not exactly, all metal corrodes. Exept gold it can only errode. Its not crazy to assume if our civilization disapeared tomorrow 10,000 years from now all our high tech super precise cnc machines and robot factories, will be completely gone. No evidence we ever had the technology. Infact ive heard that its likely the only thing that will be evidence of our existence is the mass amounts of plastic we've littered the planet with. While id love to see a machine capable of cutting stone that hard at the feed rates shown in the machining marks, something we cannot replicate btw; im afraid their secrets are lost to time.

[@lesliesmith6586]

I truly hope that one day we can find out how these holes were made. Regardless of debate, whoever did this work etc, their work is truly amazing and something that holds so much potential for the future of our species. I am so glad I found your channel and your perspective. The way you present the information is lovely and allows for open discussion which really is rare these days. xxx

[@sly6627]

You got another subscriber, very well explained and not full of outrageous theories. Just the facts!

[@randystone4903]

I like the idea of studying ancient megalithic sites where a team is needed consisting of an archeologist, a geologist, a materials engineer, a climate historian, and an astronomer. Throw in an inquisitive journalist like Graham Hancock asking questions a poet would wonder about and some amazing revelations would occur.

[@Rampart.X]

Ben, the spiral cuts in the tube holes might have been made AFTER the hole was cut. Those spiral cuts might have served as threads for fixing bolts that allowed stones to be gripped without wrapping them in rope - thus making placement easier. Have any holes been found on the hidden facets of megalithic stones?

[@johndoe3328]

The spiral cuts don't exist. You were fooled by piece of string trickery.

[@davedumond9268]

Thanks for the additional context. This is endlessly fascinating.

[@tommiecharcoal]

Hi Ben, I'm not far into the film but feel I must mention that internal miters are a smoking gun, the drill hole can be done (with huge effort) with sand etc but internal miters are actually much harder to work effectively. By internal miters I mean the bottom corners of any reasesed square, sorry bout the spelling, I've had a pint. Ben, you are an absolute hero, thank you

[@RickaramaTrama-lc1ys]

I was so glad to hear you say you were considering on doing a video on Puma Punku as I think it appears there even more so called Impossible feats to be studied. Absolutely astonishing cuts and fittings of huge many ton rocks~!! Can't wait to see that one and thanks for all your work on these videos as they are so very important to learn about ancient Man~!!

[@SteveRichfield]

These holes look like the work of a geared oil drilling bit. Look at the original Hughes Tool Co. patent. They didn't attempt to cut the stone, but rather they crushed it ahead of the bit using a crushing gear. They produce a coarse spiral groove, not from a single cutter, but rather from the periphery of the crushing gear(s). That there weren't two bifilar spiral grooves suggests they used a single crushing gear, rather than two crushing gears like Hughes did. A little slop in the mounting of their mechanism to a staff would explain irregularities in the spirals. Oil drilling bits don't produce cores, but perhaps the principle could be adapted to produce a core. One BIG question I haven't hears answered is: How consistent is hole diameter from one hole to the next, and from end to end, and how eccentric is it? This might tell us how many drill bits they had, how fast they wore out, what the source of imperfections was, etc.

[@dwipopcorn909]

Your right

[@terrysofian3433]

Consistency of drill hole diameters would also argue against tradition core drill methods and for a higher tech one. If the drill holes all fit into standard measurement system such as all the drill bits you would buy at a hardware store today, such that all 8mm drill bits are 8mm with very little difference it would imply that all the drill bits were made to a constant and precise set of dimensions. If the holes vary considerably it would be far more likely that were made with the tube drills and sand method. In fact wouldn't the dimensions of the tube cutting and the core vary considerably with a traditional grinding method?

[@Casiusss3]

In Poland there is an scientist Franc Zalewski, geologist and mineralogist who shown many sites with triangle drills, diamond shape drills etc. He shown this in many quarries as a method of chipping huge part of rock. Check his films (they are in Polish however you can you translator) kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4vOfIWpeMqgmKM

[@noobie64]

I try to imagine the tools used to make the core holes and the beautiful vases in the hardest of stones and I just can't picture how it was done. Truly a fascinating mystery, I appreciate your videos of this topic which is largely ignored/dismissed by the mainstream.

[@pabloiglesias1039]

As granite worker I can understand the technical aspects of this. It's impossible to make this line cut using diamond tools. Joseph Davidovits has interesting theory's about this.

[@jensswales]

hi, stoneworker and stone machinery/tool engineer/designer since 1992 here, this is insanely interresting!

[@amremotewatching]

The process of very slow gradual grinding with sand does NOT leave concentric rings approx 2mm apart !! At best such a grinding process would leave a hole with coarse sides and irregular fine scratching in all directions. The rings seen in the previous video are almost certainly spiral as discussed, so the enigma is how did they make the tool and use such force to give such an astonishing feed rate and leave a well defined spiral grove ?!? Next time I visit Egypt I’m going to somehow record and take latex moulds of a dozen or more of these tube drill holes, and examine the quad hole item with giant 14” holes currently in the Cairo museum with a glass top over it, as if some sort of table ..

[@redwoodcoast]

At Chris Dunn's website (gizapower.com) he shows a core that he drilled manually over several days, an hour or two per day, and it had zero striations since the grinding of the granite was super-fine and super-slow. So you are correct about lack of any groves from sand drilling.

[@garywheeler7039]

Yes, a silicon or rubber mold would be a great idea. Although rubber needs to be heated to vulcanize it. With a mold, one could then mark a point on a groove, follow it around 360 degrees and see if there is an offset and measure it. One can even make reproductions for others to study and share. The best science is reproducible and shareable. Mixing silicone caulk and cornstarch also makes a good mold it is said and is less expensive. It makes a kind of putty that can be pushed into place. It needs to be tried and would not hurt the original object or stick to it too much. If possible, the best would be a numbered hole studied by others and written about and thought to be spiral. If the mold could be done by a trusted third party in country, it would be all the better and save the fuel of a flight.

[@lucaashworth4798]

You are a shining light in the dark. Truly fantastic work.

[@stevechelt1]

One interesting thing I noticed in the video is a close-up looking into a drill hole shown at about 12.35 onward, in which there is clear evidence of glaze or vitrification on the wall of the hole, some of which has flaked off. Maybe some sort of simple catalyst and heat was involved as discussed in Antonio Zamora's recent upload 'Vitrification of stones in antiquity'. His video concentrates on the surface vitrification of large blocks which he suggests may have been treated with a simple clay & wood ash mixture before heat is applied, how such heat could be applied at depth in the hole I have no idea, so it's probably a non-starter!

[@konasteph]

yes I saw that too at the same time mark. Indication of high temp? melting quartz?

[@SetoKaibasMoney]

Amazing to see the over cuts and know they were working with some very thin drill bits. It brings out the questions which lead one to acknowledge the level of sophistication that had to be in place to create such tools. I have been interested in ancient tools since I was a kid and am ecstatic that I come across this channel. Keep up the wonderful work!

[@48tomw]

Even more amazing are vases and other pottery that are sitting in the Cairo museum and of course the shist disks. Every one of those demands that an advanced form of lathing was used at the very least.

[@juliemignard8448]

Yeah, the lathe idea might make sense, except--- How do you account for the handles that so many of them have? The curves of the circumference and the shoulder of the vases continues perfectly, but there is a handle on both sides, time and again. I am no lathe expert, but how do you do that on a lathe?

[@mrbiscuits915]

Phenomenaltravelvideos has a good video on ancient lathes. I beleive he found a large one from ancient india

[@kevincrady2831]

And then there's the second-order mystery of why go to so much trouble to make a vase or a bowl out of hard stone? Pottery would be much easier no matter what tech you have, and serve the purpose (assuming they were used as vases and bowls) just as well. As for the schist disk/ring thing...if we found one made of steel, we'd immediately think "machine part," but why make a machine part out of thinly-carved stone, which would be more brittle and fragile than metal, and not repairable (can't bend it back into shape)? Very head-scratchy. :) But I can't even imagine trying to make something like that by hand with stone-carving tools. One slightly-wrong strike and you're starting all over again, unless you're spending forrrreeeeverrrrr grinding away with some version of sandpaper.

[@UnchartedX]

@@kevincrady2831 Great insight, I agree with you. Seems like a very difficult problem to go solve, when pottery would suffice. It's a little known aspect of the ones that were found used as canopic jars - they had MUD lids. Makes me think they were re-purposed by the dynastics, if you could make the jars, why not make stone lids? These jars fascinate me, I will get into them in a future vid. Petrie also had lots to say about them.

[@poppabearskitchen1769]

@Real M ,Or some type of adhesive ? another guess.

[@thomas52905]

The spiral diamond teeth idea is workable. If the tube is twisted back & forth by a few degrees repeatedly, the bottom edge will gradually grind away the bottom of the hole.

[@MrAaaaazzzzz00009999]

You should try visiting Gunung Padang. Although it may look quite crude, there are stones that you can fit your hand/fingers in nearly perfectly. The most obvious one was a stone at the entrance, where you can fit a sideways thumbs up pose on your right hand on an above-waist height stone. Sorry for poor description but the site is really interesting and I think it deserves further study. EDIT: additionally every stone there is made of around 40-50% iron from what I remember.

[@UnchartedX]

I haven't been but my partner at pukajay Luke has. I have footage from all over that site, we did a couple videos on it at Pukajay.

[@marksharman8029]

There is such a need for cross disciplines with both focused and broad application. The sooner this picks up speed, the better. In my lifetime I am seeing some determined people pick this up, which is great. Who knows perhaps I will see History officially changed, and our collective mind looking out there. I hope so. But if I don't, I think this inquiry is in good hands.

[@dgafbrapman688]

Machinist here, the "offset bushing"s technical name is a cam.

[@FreeMark]

@carl fxi Sure looks like one lol

[@dgafbrapman688]

@carl fxi are you genuinely asking or scoffing?

[@fluffycat087]

Concentric bushing or adjuster.

[@dgafbrapman688]

@@fluffycat087 what do you mean? The part is eccentric not concentric?

[@fluffycat087]

@@dgafbrapman688 Sorry dude tired meant co-eccentric or just eccentric . Like a 916 chain adjuster.

[@richardoneal1055]

Interesting situation. I've been involved in engineering and machining for more than 45 years including core drilling concrete when I first started working. Machining metal using traditional methods involves a cutter that creates a plastic flow at the cutting edge in the metal blank. This is accomplished by applying pressure on the blank with a tool harder and more heat resistant than the target metal. Water jet is an abrasive method of cutting material using high pressure water stream combined with an abrasive. Lasers abliterate the material with focused heat combined with a flow of gas to remove debris. You can't achieve a plastic flow in stone, concrete, or related materials. The results of some of the objects you've shown manufactured from hard materials, such as granite, defy current maching methods. I might envision a method that used a combination of common abrasive techniques combined with ultrasonics to achieve the results, but the high feed rates shown in the core drilled samples seem very optimistic for any current technology. There is a solution, even for the thin walled pots, but the right minds haven't been tempted to solve it yet. The larger question is, would any civilization 3000 years ago have had that technical solution?

[@Eigil_Skovgaard]

One of the more confusing aspects of the Egyptian edifices is the fact that while the great pyramid has no left over signs of art or direct communication in the shape of hieroglyphs - the ancient sources describing the large underground labyrinth talks about monolithic building blocks and a high level of precision combined with artistic work depicting gods and mythic creatures, i.e. expressing a culture with a mythology. Also the combination of statues made in granite with very precise reliefs of an image based communication system is puzzling as it could imply the presence of more than one monolithic culture - a strict rational and technological culture and a culture with the same skills regarding large building blocks and precision but at the same time expressing art and myth with the same precision. Or - the big pyramid was just a machine without the need for decorative attributes.

[@armoryindustrial7884]

I think the main body of the tube drills was actually a length of granite tubing, with the cutting end of the tube having been embeded with a material either teeth (like carbide teeth in modern cutting tools), or a way of hardening the end to make it harder than the original granite. Granite itself is still a very important material in modern machine shops because it is extremely hard, wear resistant, and dimensionaly extremely stable over large temperatures and humidities. This is why granite surface plates are used in machine shops, co-ordinate measuring machines (CMM), and high end optical measuring machines.

[@juliemignard8448]

There is one tool that cuts stone, never breaks, and leaves behind no old dulled versions, and that is water. I wish some expert would study that possibility. So much of this old technology like the passages through the pyramids, at the right angles for water to flow down, but not to walk down, the supremely fitted interior chambers with no decoration. It is all reminiscent of water use to me. Wouldn't a fine enough spray at a high enough pressure be able to make that spiral cut on both sides, that is the core side and the outer side, and vary slightly with the varying hardness on a microscopic level?

[@UnchartedX]

It's a possibility!

[@redwoodcoast]

some sort of water-jet core drill bit which sprayed both inward and outward would not be able to have an already drilled entry hole to start in.

[@Casiusss3]

In Poland there is an scientist Franc Zalewski, geologist and mineralogist who shown many sites with triangle drills, diamond shape drills etc. He shown this in many quarries as a method of chipping huge part of rock. Check his films (they are in Polish however you can you translator) kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4vOfIWpeMqgmKM

[@alfredmolison7134]

So, here's a combination. Diluted acid. Put water into an arsenical bronze tube, pour some type or combination of acids into the tub. The drill tube is slightly off balance (drunken). This aids in the mixing of water and acid(s). As the drilling occurs the bronze tube is slowly eaten up by the dilute acid. The bore hole is heated from both drilling friction and chemical reaction.

[@MrTryAnotherOne]

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Arthur C. Clarke's 3rd law en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws

[@Doobidoo-fi4wl]

Note: groves may be a red herring as may be a product of Hastings made into holes. For example, masonry bolts have cerated teeth running in a spiral, this ensures a secure fixing grip. Obviously once such metal fixings are removed what is left is a whole with a cerated spiral from the bolt.

[@peterlukes7161]

Great info, but is there any evidence of tube drills of any sort? The only evidence of ancient tools i can find is basic flat copper tools used to cut wood. These tools are in the museums and shown on wall paintings. Yes there is evidence of two different technologies. The Egyptians seemed to only have basic technology and basic tools. A lot of what we see was made pre dynastic, made by an earlier civilisation, more advanced. Even the Egyptians didnt know how the pyramids were made, this is why they didn't document anything of the construction. They only theorised or by legend as to how the pyramids were built.A great example is the serapeum, we can only laugh if anyone thinks the boxes were made with copper chisels and pounding balls.

[@redwoodcoast]

The ancients were definitely into recycling when it came to metals, so once there was no longer a need for a copper or bronze tube for drilling, that metal was turned into something else. A tube for drilling would almost never be used so it was sort of a waste of material and probably only in the possession of a royal mason.

[@HellCatt0770]

Well said. Completely agree. No metal tools left because the tools were waaaaay before the Dynastic Egyptians.. they moved in much later and probably only had brass tools. Those that came before had more advanced tooling and I think Ben proves that!

[@gageangstrom7875]

The cores with the tooling marks in conjunction with the actual holes themselves ARE the evidence. I'm not a mason, but I do work in construction and I drill A LOT of holes. To my knowledge, there is only one way to make a hole and core with those tooling marks and that is a hole-saw, AKA tube drill.

[@AustinKoleCarlisle]

@@Oldsmobile69 those tube drill holes are far older than we can even imagine.

[@deormanrobey892]

@@Oldsmobile69 Thousands of square miles of un-excavated territory where tools or rust that used to be tools could be deposited. I spent years doing masonry work including core drilling and never left tools on a job site, other than a few dull or broken razor blades buried inside or underneath where they'll likely never be seen again.

[@MichaelSmith-bt9vi]

I went to Egypt ,and took a look at some of the large blocks that had been worked,making them look like stone machine parts,like high pressure containers.To me the use of steam or air pre assure was used for power ,plus then the ability to sand blasting.Sandblasting can be put up at a higher preasure than we use on just cleaning rock and metal and can cut a deep percision cut.Thats my two cents worth.I can see a few good examples of stone machinery,as far as strength and weight,pleas cuts that could make available surfaces that seal togeather with percision,or more percision with a gasket type seal.

[@shermanatorosborn9688]

I don't think the tool is hard nor sharp or even hot , but has the power to rapidly disintegrate molecular bonds .

[@energ8t]

Agreed. We have a super thin tube wall thickness of the tube drill over a rather large distance (about 20”) with a large speed and feed (bigger gap beteen spiral = more material being removed). This all would equal massive heat and torque on this thin tube’s metal. I think they used some kind of different technological process which we do not use today. I think John Keely’s science (see Dale Pond) makes the most sense (so far) as it relates to understanding how to manipulate matter/gravity, etc. You could literally levitate objects and reduce the molecular bonds once you understand how to control the frequencies of the spheres (which link to consciousness...). Keely even illustrates the interatomic bonds using musical notes in his diagrams.

[@Rivenburg-xd5yf]

when you look at the cyclopian sites world wide, you see "scoop marks" that mark left by something appearently rectangular the turns a quater inch deep swath of stone to slime for a few seconds. also notice the way the stone weathers thats been treated that way, it disintigrates in a specific pattern seen from rappa nue to puma punku to balbek to egypt. its the same tool used to lap the polygonal stones of peru, its other end leaves traces on the rock like a jack leg drills leg does. it would appear they could do something we cant. ill bet when it ran, the energies where deadly to be around.

[@blazingsaddle166]

There are so many incredible features to how these drill holes were created. One thing that really surprises me is how perfectly straight the holes are drilled. There does not appear to be any deviation in direction and the accuracy of drilling is astonishing. I honestly can't believe that a couple of guys would be holding a bow drill in place, moving backwards and forwards without the hole drifting off course to some degree, so the first question for me would be how they maintained perfectly straight cuts into extremely hard rock. I could potentially think of a framing structure to hold the drill pipe in place as it's rotated but even so, maintaining perfectly straight drops is unbelievably difficult. The second issue I have is the consistency and smoothness of the drilling. You do not attempt drilling holes of any depth into a granite block that has already had an extensive amount of finishing work done to it already. Mistakes simply aren't an option, so drilling with confidence would have to be pretty much guaranteed. The only way I can think of this being done is via a fixed apparatus with a massive weight on top of a drill pipe and constantly rotating by cattle or horses at a consistent speed. How you maintain integrity on a copper drill pipe is the next massive accomplishment. Maybe large quantities of copper pipes were used one after the other and replaced as they ground down I'm not sure because what if one got stuck inside the hole - how would you get it out? So many questions on this subjects. I'm not quite ready to accept a higher tiered civilisation or extraterrestrial power just yet. There must be another explanation.

[@TheRangaKing1991]

since watching this topic of drill cores , my thinking is. we know they could move big stones , then why not use the stone on top of the drill bit and turn the stone , its heavy so it would be slow with lots of pressure. just a thought that i have never seen mentioned by anyone who has studied Egypt past

[@b-bnt]

Exactly

[@alex-vc8lq]

@@b-bnt i don.t think the tube will broke if you put couple of tons weight on top of it because it looks like they used tubes that have very thin wall thicknes.

[@jcat5150]

Mr. van Kerkwyk, I confess I'd never heard of you before seeing you on the JRE with Jimmy Corsetti the other day. That said, I'm loving your content so far! Your clear and concise delivery is refreshing indeed! I've shared links to my few friends who aren't wrapped up on the relatively meaningless bullshit spewing forth from mainstream media these days! Keep it coming!

[@rpreto72]

Ben, the remains of some the drill holes (holles cut in half, cut parallel to its longitundinal axis) on some of the quarried stones might be a by product of a previous cut. It might happen that once the correct depth was achieved, they proceed to extract the unfinished block with a finished hole, what one sees is the end of a hole of a previous extraction. Then the finished hole migth be used as a datum point to locate/fix the block that would subsequently be finished (squaring, polishing and so forth). Another interesting point to examine would be to check how perpendicular those holes are to the block face where they are drilled on... wouldn't that be great for an episode 3? Great job mate. Love the way you're edditing your pieces, the detailed and stabilized zooms are awsome! Keep it up :) _/\_

[@UnchartedX]

Interesting point. I tend to not mix the two methods together. The 'builders' had the capability to make huge straight cuts in stone, we see a lot of evidence for this (something I will investigate in future vidoes, and make this point). I think that is contemporary with the other signs of advanced machining capability, like the core drilling. The quarrying and stone splitting seems to have come much later. Why would you do this when you can make straight cuts? You still have an awful lot of dressing to do after you use the 'cracking' method, vs the straight cut.

[@redwoodcoast]

​@@UnchartedX As you know, the history of Egyptian technology follows a timeline which goes from 'most advanced' to 'least advanced', so once the igneous stone-cutting technology was lost then resort had to be made to cracking/splitting. If your theory of using previous holes as centers of a split is true, then the question is whether or not there are wide striations seen in the hole wall or not. That would indicate that advanced tech was used to bore them, which would not probably be available in a time when resort to cracking (instead of cutting) was necessary. That would indicate that the coring and the splitting would have been done perhaps thousands of years apart. Certainly hundreds at least. But here's a new thought that hasn't been raised before: If the blocks containing the split-open holes were hinge blocks then they were used for huge doors, -as in doors of pagan temples and false gods. So...if an enemy of such things arrived to destroy such things and exile those who made them, then that enemy would have used an energy force that blasted the hell out of those temples, ....aiming primarily at the door areas first, fracturing and splitting the blocks that had the holes for the hinges that supported the doors. Cool, right? But where's the evidence? You want evidence? I got yer evidence right here: Colossi of Memnon; Stone vs Geopolymer Concrete sciencetheory.wordpress.com/2019/08/15/colossi-of-memnon-stone-vs-geopolymer-concrete/ Check it out. You WILL be convinced. And I'm not done yet.

[@ralphcroker4889]

Well done. Youve earned every penny. Im no archaeologist, but you sold me.

[@Pimpdaddyleif]

I always go back to the point that we get told the dynastic Egyptians did all this amazing precision work, but they didn't have a simple wheel.

[@myspacetimesaucegoog5632]

At some stage they had chariots with wheels though

[@Pimpdaddyleif]

@@myspacetimesaucegoog5632 Yeah it was around 1000 years after the pyramids were supposedly built though. But it's the same all around the world. Incas, Aztecs, mayans, Babylonians, sumerians, none of these civilizations accredited to building these unbelievable things had the simple wheel. You'd think a master architect would come up with that pretty easily.

[@redwoodcoast]

@@Pimpdaddyleif They all must have had rolling logs though, but that's sure awkward.

[@Pimpdaddyleif]

@@redwoodcoast It would have been really awkward with a polygonal stone with zero flat surfaces. I'd like to see an experiment where they try to drag one up to Machu Picchu.

[@Imtahotep]

Absolutely do NOT stop! This is great stuff - keep it coming from exacting technical perspectives.

[@gregj4857]

I'm thinking on the double core that they put the small one in the wrong place so they had to change the position by increasing the diameter..

[@poppabearskitchen1769]

@Greg J , Looks like the beginning of a cup or vase to me, perhaps ?

[@redwoodcoast]

That is the only explanation that makes logical sense. A stupid mistake...we all make them. But in granite? 'measure twice, cut once' wasn't followed perhaps.

[@captkirkoakes]

Occam's razor (or Ockham's razor) is a principle from philosophy. Suppose there exist two explanations for an occurrence. In this case the one that requires the least speculation is usually correct. Another way of saying it is that the more assumptions you have to make, the more unlikely an explanation. Petrei and Dunn seem to have nailed it. Others as of late are looking into the real purpose of the Great Pyramids as power generators which seem to be more likely than burial chambers. Excellent videos!

[@andrewporrelli8268]

Great videos that are genuinely asking the legitimate questions! Oh how I'd love to have a bbq and longggg chat with you buddy! You mentioned at around 5min 55sec of the video, not many cores have been recovered to scrutinise! This might well be because the cores were repourposed to make the goblets and perfume bottles discovered in their thousands! The production of these small items, in such huge quantities is equal to, if not a much greater enigma than how they drilled the cores at such fast feeds in my opinion. P.S I have pondered the plain (not core)drilled holes in Latin America and wondered - all those holes and no-one has ever found a "broken drill bit" in one? Or a broken cutting tip that may have been attached to a mandral. I wonder if anyone ever bothered to look?

[@clivewells7090]

Andrew you make an interesting point. I do wonder how much of this 'stonework' was geopolymer, and if it can be recognized apart from natural stone..?

[@redwoodcoast]

Most of the forms at Puma Punku were castings of geopolymer stone concrete, so it follows that the holes were most likely not drilled but were a part of the original casting. That being said, it's certain that those so advanced as to be making artificial stone were also advanced enough to have high-tech drills and bits...diamond tipped. So the answer can most likely be found in a very close look at the inside of those holes for evidence of drilling, or lack thereof. And now I have to get busy looking for images of those bottles you mentioned. sciencetheory.wordpress.com

[@SinImageProductions]

The continuous spiral groove is the result of adjusting the diameter after the initial cylinder is cut or ground out. The adjustment is made by tap, like modern screw holes, but with a hollow tap. This ensures radial precision of the hole while adjusting diameter.

[@Republic3D]

Thanks for a new video! Regarding the drill bit material. We know they had access to iron before the ironage. Why? We have found daggers/knives made of iron that are dated from the bronze age. The iron came from meteorites, not from earth. This material would be extremely rare and valuable back then. And if they used it for drill bits, they would like have smelted and reused them when they wore down. That would explain why we haven't found any of their tooling. It was just too valuable and rare. And likely reused.

[@al2207]

objection iron is only 5 on Mohs scale and iron technologies had not reach Egypt before 1200 BC

[@redwoodcoast]

@@al2207 Wow! I had no idea that iron was that soft on the scale. I'm used to thinking of steel which is harder. But what about iron/tin, iron/nickel , iron/zinc combos? They must have done every experiment conceivable.

[@al2207]

@@redwoodcoast beside the dagger of king thut. archaeologist did not find any iron tools in the old kingdom and no metal can withstand the pressure needed to do the mark on the core 7 , i think it was the disintegrator tool the aliens used across the world the glazing cannot be done by any metal drill , when i was drilling holes for the shim and wedge steel insert the hole was like a frosted glass smooth but not glazed

[@butchkenney8123]

Just finished all your "Ancient Engineering Series" and it's fantastic! Thanks!

[@gill7045]

I like how you stick to the observable facts. There is a whole range of ancient artefacts and constructions that are anomalous with respect to how and when these could have been created. Though understandable, it is naive to assume primitive methods have been used. The scale, precision, diversity and widespread presence of these creations should leave everyone with a (broad) technical background dumbfounded!

[@keithau8159]

Yes,Happy New Year,Ben,UnchartedX,learned a lot from your documentary from ancient Egypt mystery never talked about at all.Best wish to you and to your family.God save the Queen,the most outstanding,splendor and high-class national song in the world@@@@@

[@PaulA-bv1rt]

My current thinking is water jet cutters.

[@dgafbrapman688]

Doesnt explain the spiral grooves

[@Endle185]

Close

[@Saugaverse]

Good guess, cause high pressure jets of water will cut very hard materials. However, how would the ancient Egyptians get water to such high pressures? And high pressure water is used to cut small holes, it would not be used to cut large circular tube drill holes.

[@dgafbrapman688]

@@Saugaverse it wasnt done by ancient egyptians, they merely inhabited the site later on. Much like many megalithic sites around the world.

[@Saugaverse]

@@dgafbrapman688 That is entirely possible. But even if that is accurate, there still has to be tools lying around from that very old civilization. So where are the tools? And why have none ever been found? If tools were used that were far harder than granite, then they must still exist, somewhere, right?

[@Gkuljian]

I'm a mechanical engineer with a degree in machine tool technology, and 60 years of mechanical experience starting from the age of 2 when I took my toys apart. The first glance of those tube cuts, and I was floored. I could see what was a single point type of cut. I'm pretty good at brainstorming solutions and ideas, but I am at a total loss to explain how this was accomplished, under the circumstances. I'm not sure about the 500 time modern feed rates number, but that isn't as important as it just being a continuous cut with a constant feed rate. I have watched as many of these videos as I can in order to glean something, but am as stumped as everyone else.

[@al2207]

agree , single cutting point with glassing of surface cannot be done by any type of known friction type cutting/ drilling my guess is aliens desintegrator technologies ( energy beam that dissolve matter by removing valence electrons that bond atoms together ) side effect is made by silicon atoms displaced and flowing out of the cut surface and reattaching to untouched walls and creating fine quartz layer

[@marcin1699]

"look, a very very very very....very finely done bronze tube (which we couldn't pull off today) with very very very finely placed diamond shards (which Egyptians didn't use)....could have done it" ;) neither fine nor poor copper tubes were found in any abundance to my knowledge, I've just seen pathetic, bronze age saws that would piss off any lumberjack...

[@Anenome5]

Of course we can build fine bronze tubes. The Egyptians probably set a precious stone into heated bronze to build it. They could core with it by tapping the back of the tube to crush the stone and then rotate slightly. Laborious, time consuming, but effective.

[@marcin1699]

@@Anenome5 how many of such drills have you seen found? any factual evidence to back-up these mental gymnastics?

[@marcin1699]

@@Anenome5 PS. have you not heard in the video about the pressure/force that would be required to drill at this rate (left alone the hardness of the drill used)? are you kidding me with the "tapping" BS!? the diamond shards would penetrate the soft bronze tube sooner than they would cut into granite with that ludicrous methodology you're suggesting...

[@Anenome5]

@@marcin1699 The diamond or whatever hard stone would be set in the bronze, so it is already penetrating the bronze. As for the amount of force involved, that's what the cutting point does, it concentrates the forces involved down to a very small point. Just tapping with a hammer can turn into many tons of force per square inch by this means. This is how all cutting tools workm by concentrating force down to a small point of contact. You need the cutting-stone set in the tube, chisel a starting groove, then tap and spin slightly, tap and spin. The cutting tooth pulverizes the stone at the point of contact. This doesn't cause the cutting tool to push into the bronze because the bronze has a much larger surface area of contact with the cutting tool, whereas the granite is getting cut and pulverized by a sharp tooth. It's the same reason we can cut hardened steel today using a tungsten-carbide cutting bit even if you wanted to build the tool-holder out of bronze. Basically our modern cutting method involves rapid spinning and very little contact as it spins, whereas the Egyption cutting method prefers pulverizing in place with very little spinning. This would give you exactly what's seen, the tube drill appearing to cut rapidly down through the stone. When in fact it's a much slower process than our modern systems.

[@chrisivanchev]

Good point with the phone example! That's what I was thinking when people talk about reverse engineering alien technology. You cannot reverse engineer technology without at least understanding the physics behind it and what it does.

[@NerdOutWithMe]

Always search for the truth, even if it disappoints you.

[@paulryan490]

That double core piece is absolutely incredible.

[@EdPin_]

We have here now a little holiday, so I woke up late, and after healthy breakfast, I'm sipping my coffee and watching you. It feels relaxing, please continue in this manner :) I suppose that you know Joe Rogan #961, where three musketeers - openminded, investigative, intelligent and free from the burden of official academic structures, gave a fight to the main-stream representative (and break him like a match :) I see your work nicely sticking to this narrative, your role is yet unclear, but it seems like a familiar shape emerges slowly and inevitably :) You must travel around, examine stuff first-hand and apply your scrupulous nature to it... Make this story cool :) (in the wild survival skills are handy, it may be that situations you may find yourself in are not always tourist-friendly)

[@yodaco]

Hello World! Also, Thanks Ben so much for all your work. Your channel really is the best around on the subject matters that you cover. So greatfull for all your hard work. Please keep it up. Always looking forward to your next installment.

[@7337-y2f]

Thank you for your excellent videos and all the work you put into it. I would like to point out / bring into the diskussion, the indentations shown together with the hole. Look at 0:09, 5:05, 7:34 (again), 13:12, and more. The point I would like to make is that: 1. Why only talk about the hole, when it is clear that what ever that when into the hole, was attached to something else that also had and indentation in the stone? How was that made. 2. The pressure used if this was drilled into these stones are impossible to archive today, and most likely ever, so what are these marks inside the holes? 3. Why do many of them not go all the way thru? I have been to Egypt many times and have seen some of the holes you display, first hand. Some are holdes, but could some of the others be makes of something that ones was there? Like the indentations outside the hole, like a piece of technology. When metal pipe will have a striations, from how it is made, and used in concrete / geopolymer, it will leave these in the sone when it has oxidized away. The funny red/black "granit" looks to uniform to be natural. It is some kind of material that could be smeared on, like in the Sphinx temple, where the red granit "blocks" are only 10-15cm thick. That is also why it can bend around corners. The red/black box in the museum, looks to have been machined as if it was wood, or a similar material. It is only in the last 20 years that we have been able to make geopolymer stones for desk tops etc. Also miniralisation of wood is under 10 years old knowledge.

[@redwoodcoast]

Read the comments that were posted the day after yours for the answer you seek. As for sculpture with the appearance of wood, it is very likely that what is seen is a geopolymer casting made from a mold taken from a clay or wood original carving, so the stone version was not carved but was instead cast as artificial stone. See the several articles I've written that share the photographic evidence of such technology having been used; at sciencetheory.wordpress.com

[@stanley1554]

These drills are not done by machine, they are done by a method I saw two Russian egyptologists demonstrate. Basically they take a copper cylinder, and put some sand wherever they want to drill their hole and rotate the cylinder with an apparatus that assists them in a rotating it. They can drill through granite at the rate of about 2.4 inches an hour. It was truly amazing to see these people thrilling perfectly cut cylindrical holes into a solid granite block with nothing more than primitive techniques and no iron age metals whatsoever.

[@PedjoGT]

When i see this holes and cuts in Egypt i always thinking that that stuff is from modern times?!

[@miwaresoft8641]

Ben, maybe all civilizations use multiple technologies in the same time lines. I live in Thailand. Today I witnessed a homeless encampment where they lived in primitive conditions created with bamboo and palm fronds. I was in Bangkok a few weeks ago I’m the most hi-tech of buildings. All were created at the same time. Primitive and advanced co-existing

[@RuneRelic]

Personally I dont think you can rule out acoustics; you are just thinking about acoustics from the wrong direction. It is controlling the environment that is just as important as controlling the tool & there is no law that says you must exclusively use one methodology if compound methodologies could be more effective and efficient. Ultrasonics will not make the tool stronger & you arent trying to make the tool stronger, you are trying to make the material you are cutting weaker/softer. So ultrasonics need to be applied to the material, not the cutting tool. If you can bring the medium being cut to the very edge of resonant dissociation (and they did study the resonance of stone) in the manner that gall stones can be exploded via Lithotripsy, then you may well make the process easier. Considering the resonance of temples & the story of the walls of Jericho, its not inconceivable and indeed stated that the ancients did use sound waves to destroy materials. How would a culture even conceive sound would destroy materials, without the methodology having some basis in fact ? Ironically, the greater the mass of the material, the more that mass acts as a battery pack that prolongs and amplifies its own resonance. Its the equivalent of acoustic inertia. If a pyramid was one piece and you got that to resonate, I shudder to think how long it would maintain that resonance. Imagine a bell the size of a pyramid.

[@redwoodcoast]

Bingo sir! You have hit on the truth that everyone is searching for. It's all about "the very edge of resonant dissociation". Bond weakening = stone softening...via molecular bond overdrive. I'm working on an article that will be providing evidence of just that technology. It will be explosive. I thought I was alone in this realization, but great minds think alike, so it looks like a whole bunch of us are on the cusp of a wave of 'revelation', i.e. the grasping of a fact that is the only answer that logic gives.

[@RuneRelic]

@@redwoodcoast Look forward to the article. Throw in a tube with a cutting thread on the inside and outside.....pour some acid down that tube made from non reactive metal....should be like a knife through butter, with the bonds easily broken. No reason why you cant use inertia to punch a whole through material suffering from such resonant dissociation. Concrete bunkers would be obsolete over night, but rapid mining and architectural cave construction would become viable.

[@RuneRelic]

@@redwoodcoast Another interesting question is would stone become malleable instead of brittle at the edge of resonant dissociation ? Could it be easily shaped and molded like pottery ? That would explain the old kingdom artifacts that should have broken into pieces long before being shaped into the manner they are.

[@redwoodcoast]

@@RuneRelic Inertia is a great 'untapped' source of power but the projectile has to be very hard and heavy. I wonder what could have been done with a dead drop from the top of the great pyramid straight down to the subterranean chamber through a tunnel through the whole pyramid? That would have been about a 600 ft. drop! ha! I doubt there is any such 'science' that is not top secret. Anyway, I finished my article and in one day it's been read in over 70 countries. I hope this doesn't get banned, but I won't be too shocked if it does. sciencetheory.wordpress.com/2019/08/19/evidence-of-molecular-bond-reversal-ancient-stone-softening-technology/

[@redwoodcoast]

@@RuneRelic "would stone become malleable instead of brittle" As a follow-up to my article I will cobble together revealing photos of the evidence of full malleability having been achieve. There are enough of them to make a totally convincing case.

[@tatradak]

Brilliant many thx for this.....slowly a picture is appearing on how the tube, chube, toob drill must be constructed of....

[@kckman52]

the feed rate indicates the stone was softened somehow

[@johnhansen2187]

Or an exceptionally hard cutting point.

[@johnhansen2187]

@Yuck Foutube No chipping, and the powder was carried out of the cut.

[@annalisette5897]

I love all the technical, scientific discussion that seeks answers. This means a lot more to me than someone's sensational theory that poses as an answer. (i.e. space aliens) After the posting of this video, AncientArchitects covered a scientific paper suggesting ancient Egyptians were able to extract hydrofluoric acid from certain plant species. Spanish priests recorded that the Incas melted stone with plant materials. Perhaps they used a similar process that obtained hydrofluoric acid though I have seen another video suggesting they used an acidic liquid from mineral deposits, perhaps mixed with plant material.

[@argentwolf01]

Thank you for this fascinating and insightful series (Parts 1 & 2) on the tube boring. I've heard references about this topic repeatedly from other sources; it is amazing to get some real information on this issue! Time to do some research on Petrie...

[@lenathenurse9234]

Wow... excellent presentation. Thank you

[@danielfagan7406]

Well done. I like your style and your level headed and through delivery. So much brilliance cited in your video, I'm given solace knowing that there are incredible minds like Petrie's and we don't have to rely on mine.

[@metalillness5951]

Just found your channel and glad I did. You are an excellent speaker and I enjoy listening to you. Hard for me to believe you don't have more followers on here yet! Keep up the good work Sir, and thanks! I'm a toolmaker by trade and found this very interesting.

[@abrahamd2k]

Great video. Even though you left me with more questions than answers. But that is a good thing, so, let's go get those answers.

[@brianmcrock]

Excellent presentation, Ben. I love your work...Thanks, man! ...And you can pronounce tube any way you'd like!