Filioque: How Eastern Orthodoxy Anathematizes the Church Fathers

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

I know what I'll be watching today. Thank you so much!

[@luggzy-e3s]

Yo what's up redeemzoomer

[@Romans8Shaman1]

I see you too are a man of culture.

[@regostMMA]

Based Zoomer

[@luggzy-e3s]

@@infidelhardcore7881 well I spoke to this guy and he says he does these kinda documentaries in his free time but he is extremely knowledgeable. I don't think he has ever done a irl 1 on 2 debate but Idk. Ether way his documentaries are amazing and stops Catholics and orthodox in there tracks

[@Thatoneguy-pu8ty]

Zoomer how’s married life?

[@scubastevethefloridaman]

As an EO inquirer for a few years, your videos have helped me to come to terms with the issues I found within the church. Thank you.

[@ancientpathstv]

Praise God! As a Statesboro, Georgia, native, it makes it even sweeter to hear that from a fellow Southerner. 🙂

[@ancientpathstv]

@@AusChristiansVote When a dishonest person can't answer the argumentation, his natural response is to demonize the other side. You're the one in need of checking yourself.

[@billiamnotbob]

Every video of yours I watch reminds me just how arrogant and prideful we are. It is a testament to God's lovingkindness that he doesn't destroy us for our presumption.

[@tomtemple69]

it's always a good day when Ancient Paths TV posts 👍👍

[@thebishopoftherailway4719]

“The church will decide your fate.” “I AM the church!”

[@BrockSamson18]

@@thebishopoftherailway4719 this but unironically is how Rome treats the Pope.

[@laikwanstone8929]

L’eglise c’est moi. 😅

[@r.a.panimefan2109]

Do it. 😂I see what u did there. The first galactic empire. Lol

[@thebishopoftherailway4719]

@@r.a.panimefan2109 The first, CATHOLIC, EMPIRE!

[@Thatoneguy-pu8ty]

see what the pope has to say at Vatican I "I am tradition"

[@MrKappaKappaPsi]

I didn't know they sung anathema anathema. Meanwhile I'm singing pass me not o gentle savior.

[@NotMrMiguu]

This is unironically The Pharisee and the Tax Collector playing out in real life…

[@egonomics352]

@@NotMrMiguuno it's not

[@egonomics352]

They sing other hymns and psalms as well...jeez

[@jg7923]

They are sociopaths.

[@egonomics352]

@@MrKappaKappaPsi meanwhile us Orthodox are singing O Gladsome Light

[@ancientpathstv]

I've been asked to clarify that Mark of Ephesus was not simply a bishop, but legate for the Patriarch of Antioch. A subsequent synod there concurred with his refusal to accept the Council of Ferrara-Florence as ecumenical.

[@OrthodoxChristianTheology]

This should be stickied! :)

[@arthurtsiakopoulos2051]

@@ancientpathstv It wasn't St. Mark of Ephesus that refused the acceptance of the Ecumenical council. He was for it, but Pope Eugen was the one who denounced it because he lost the battle to the Orthodox. That is why he was deposed by the Vatican after demanding the synod to be Ecumenical and lost the outcome. Even the Catholic order of monastics agreed that the Greeks were right in their debates and therefore Pope Eugene never allowed Catholic monasticism to ever participate in such theological debates again. Historical fact

[@ancientpathstv]

@@arthurtsiakopoulos2051 There was a great deal of confusion surrounding the council with the attempted deposition of Pope Eugene and the establishment of an "antipope." I think you've misread the history, but I don't have time to debate you.

[@namapalsu2364]

​@@arthurtsiakopoulos2051What paralel universe do you live in? Pope Eugene never denounced Florence as ecumenical. Pope Eugene never lost to Orthodox since it was not he who debated Orthodox delegation. But John of Montenero, Cardinal Cesarini etc. The pope was never deposed.

[@arthurtsiakopoulos2051]

@@namapalsu2364 you are brain dead. You obviously don't know your history. You don't even know your facts. LOL. What a beautiful taste of valuable time you are.

[@xshadowisepic1563]

Researching how crazy some of the bishops and patriarchs and popes really made me realize how dark and not uniform church history is.

[@Thebeautifuleye]

That’s why I laugh at EO who dogmatically declare that history is on their side.

[@OrthodoxChristianTheology]

@@xshadowisepic1563 reformation is same way honestly...forged with blood.

[@xshadowisepic1563]

Yeah 100% no one is innocent including me. I never insinuated that I just pointed out what caused me to leave Rome.

[@egonomics352]

@@Thebeautifuleyeit is.

[@bruhmingo]

@@OrthodoxChristianTheologybecause of the papists

[@sierragrey7910]

Thank you for the extensive time and serious labor that you have put into the subject of EO. While there are ample responses to Rome for Protestants to turn to, there are too few on EO, no doubt due to the lessor presence of EO in the past. It must be exhaustive to deal with this subject as you have and I am personally grateful for what you have done as my church has been rocked by this topic.

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you for the kind encouragement.

[@voxpopuli8132]

@@ancientpathstv If you investigate carefully, you will recognize that the Catholic church did not forsake its teaching per se. None of the current papal pronouncements are infallible. The last on of such statements was in 1950, promulgating the dogma of the Assumption. There do exist holdouts of traditional Catholic Teaching, mainly those communities that celebrate the Tridentine Mass. The synod of Elvira was by no means ecumenical. It only pertained to Spain , as was its declared goal. It is ahistorical to attribute to it something it never claimed or wanted to be. Canon 36 states, "It has seemed good that images should not be in churches so that what is venerated and worshiped not be painted on the walls."[15][16][b] It allegedly forbids pictures in churches (compare the Iconoclastic Controversy in the East); according to Philip Schaff this canon "has often been quoted by Protestants as an argument against image worship as idolatrous; while Roman Catholic writers explain it either as a prohibition of representations of the deity only, or as a prudential measure against heathen desecration of holy things".[17] Canon 36 was the first official statement on art by the Christian Church and so of special interest in the history of Early Christian and medieval art, even if it represents Church policy only within the limits of the synod's jurisdiction of Spain.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@voxpopuli8132 I have investigated carefully. Second Nicaea anathematizes anyone who refuses to venerate an icon. That effectively anathematizes the first four ecumenical councils, because Fr. Richard Price admits, ". . .the iconoclast claim that reverence towards images did not go back to the golden age of the fathers [i.e., 325-451], still less to the apostles, would be judged by impartial historians today to be simply correct." Please watch. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6WscqGPaq5rebc

[@annakimborahpa]

Narrator at 17:03-13: "Athanasius eventually would be declared the father of orthodoxy for standing against SUPPOSEDLY ecumenical councils and the pope of Rome but many ignore the basis on which he did so." Response: " ... SUPPOSEDLY ..."? That's a hedge. Quoting the Britannica online article St. Julius I/pope: "Saint Julius I (born, Rome-died April 12, 352; feast day April 12) was the pope from 337 to 352. The papacy had been vacant four months when he was elected as St. Mark’s successor on Feb. 6, 337. Julius then became the chief support of orthodoxy and the Nicene Creed against Arianism, a heresy that held Christ to have been human, not divine." "In 339 he gave refuge at Rome to Bishop St. Athanasius the Great of Alexandria, who had been deposed and expelled from his see by the Arians. At the Council of Rome in 340, Julius reaffirmed Athanasius’ position. Julius then tried to unite the Western bishops against Arianism by convoking in 342/343 the Council of Sardica (now Sofia, Bulg.). The council acknowledged the pope’s supreme authority, enhancing his power in ecclesiastical affairs by granting him the right to judge cases of legal possession of episcopal sees. Thus Julius restored Athanasius and refuted all Arian charges; his decision was confirmed by the Roman emperor Constantius II (an Arian) at Antioch. JULIUS' LETTERS ARE PRESERVED IN ATHANASIUS' APOLOGY AGAINST THE ARIANS." britannica com /biography/Saint-Julius-I

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

anyone find it really weird and cultlike how the Eastern "Orthodox" sing about anathematizing other Christians?

[@---bl2uj]

yup!

[@MHWTP]

not really

[@АлексейИванов-с8и]

I find it cringe😂😂😂

[@jg7923]

No wonder they gas light, torment and harass people in their parishes and monasteries to the point that they end their lives like Zachariah Schirmer did in 2022 after he was rejected for baptism at Saint Anthony’s Monastery in Arizona and also the monk Scott Nevins who also ended his life at the monastery in 2011 after the psychological and spiritual torment he received from the monastery.

[@FireSquad101]

Honestly, it hurts

[@kerygmacatolicoevangelico3297]

I love how these documentaries give the church fathers actual greek accents hahah.

[@joshuajohansen1210]

Great video. I love all of the videos on this channel, but the ones on Eastern Orthodoxy are the best.

[@LaymanBibleLounge]

Jay Dyer been real quiet since this dropped.

[@Joshua12w2o]

He got destroyed by Christian b Wagner lol

[@EcclesiaInvicta]

​@@Joshua12w2o Yeah, big W for Wagner, all dyer does is talk over people. Gues his Character represents the EO.

[@regostMMA]

@@Joshua12w2o So true

[@truthdefenders-]

Good, he’s got one of the most nauseating voices. And he’s jumped in and out from one belief to another so many times who’s to say he won’t be a black Muslim tomorrow? 😆

[@twenty-eightrock]

I think Brian Holdworth said it best that Eastern Orthodoxy defines itself as a specifically anti-Western phenomenon which ironically means that its identity is contingent upon the Western Church and thus is not really a unique church and misses the criteria necessary to be the ONE holy and apostolic church.

[@SamuelWRWB]

Great work. This channel is an indispensable voice. This is what the mission field of KZbin should look like.

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you! Soli Deo Gloria!

[@grahamoliver1996]

The chronically-online ortho-bros aren’t going to like this one

[@АлексейИванов-с8и]

And it's good! 😂

[@YourBoyJohnny94]

Even ethnic Greek or Russian orthodox don’t even like those westerners acting like know it all in their parishes 😂

[@SixWildKids]

The Cage Stage Calvinists are going to LOVE it, though.

[@strangelove6757]

I appreciate the work you have put into your videos. They have been a blessing to me. Thank you brother.

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you for the kind encouragement! I'm sitting here working on The Patristic Roots of the Reformed Faith. 🙂

[@strangelove6757]

@@ancientpathstv I look forward to it. I have been looking into the writings of early church fathers and how use of ἐνέργεια changed from the Pauline use to the current EO use, possibly due to adopting/assuming greek metaphysical inferences in their understaning. Your research has inspired me to dig bit deeper than I have in the past.

[@jamesattebury]

Your statement at 35:09 sums up the video: “Behind all the East rationalizations is the simple fact that in the 9th Century Patriarch Photius invented a heresy to justify anathematizing the West that had opposed him, and it was exactly what his emperor wanted.” As I read through J. N. D. Kelly’s book "Oxford Dictionary of Popes," it’s painfully obvious that so many of the decisions of church leaders throughout history were politically motivated rather than being directed by the Holy Spirit.

[@iwansaputra1890]

eastern patriach was emperor's puppet and jealousy of emperor to western europe

[@SixWildKids]

And if you read Protestant history carefully you will see that to the most extreme degree. Princes and Kings who wanted to get divorces (not just Edward VIII) and were denied by the church had them granted in exchange. Princes who wanted Catholic Church lands and monasteries and took them. Princes who didn't want to pay tithes to Rome. Princes in dispute with other princes over lands. These are all political motivations which were greatly magnified along with wars in Europe. In the end we see the end of Christendom in Europe. Good job Reformers. You dumped out the bathwater and threw the baby along with it. List from Grok AI: Since 1500, Europe has seen numerous religious wars, primarily due to the Protestant Reformation: - German Peasants' War (1524-1525) - Social and religious revolt. - Schmalkaldic Wars (1546-1555) - Between Lutheran princes and Catholic Emperor Charles V. - French Wars of Religion (1562-1598) - Between Catholics and Huguenots in France. - Eighty Years' War (1568-1648) - Dutch Protestants against Spanish rule. - Thirty Years' War (1618-1648) - A major conflict in the Holy Roman Empire involving multiple European powers. - Wars of the Three Kingdoms (1639-1651) - Involved religious elements among other conflicts in Britain and Ireland. - Savoyard-Waldensian Wars (1655-1690) - Between the Duke of Savoy and the Waldensian Protestants. - Toggenburg War (1712) - A minor conflict in Switzerland between Catholic and Protestant cantons. These wars were not solely about religion but were also influenced by political, economic, and territorial issues.

[@thane816]

Rome accepted the council of 879 as the 8th ecumenical council for 200 years. It's only after the heretical Frankish Church (so called Catholic Church) hijacked the papacy that Rome's new false popes rejected it. So stop distorting the history.

[@Emporerofkortoph]

As we all know, the Church fathers all believed precisely the same things, and were in no way irascibly at odds or disagreeable about small details, which, if I recall correctly St. Basil said, "its no big deal, all chill with me"

[@FireSquad101]

Lol

[@samueljennings4809]

@Emporerofkortoph tbh I don’t think that was his point, but rather that if the tradition of the church was split between affirming and denying the Filioque, you cannot call the Filioque an innovation, since prominent bishops who were fundamental in protecting the faith affirmed it. That is his point. Therefore if you want to deny the Filioque, you would have to do it on other grounds besides referring to Tradition (I personally do see an argument for and against it, so my convictions aren’t affected by this, but that is his own argument).

[@Joel-bg3cf]

“All the church father agree with my niche set of beliefs”

[@orwellianpepe7660]

You have always the best videos about church history! Thank you for your amazing work and service!

[@jasoncorkran6169]

Yes!!! I've been looking forward to this one.

[@tategarrett3042]

Thank you for the thoughtful and well-made video.

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you!

[@АлексейИванов-с8и]

Thank you so much! I waited this video!

[@Jay_the_giant]

Fantastic documentary. Really needed in the body of Christ right now, when many young men are abandoning the true faith to go east or to Rome for the sake of feeling like they are part of a tradition.

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you! Soli Deo Gloria.

[@annakimborahpa]

Narrator at 17:03-13: "Athanasius eventually would be declared the father of orthodoxy for standing against SUPPOSEDLY ecumenical councils and the pope of Rome but many ignore the basis on which he did so." Response: " ... SUPPOSEDLY ..."? That's a hedge. Quoting the Britannica online article St. Julius I/pope: "Saint Julius I (born, Rome-died April 12, 352; feast day April 12) was the pope from 337 to 352. The papacy had been vacant four months when he was elected as St. Mark’s successor on Feb. 6, 337. Julius then became the chief support of orthodoxy and the Nicene Creed against Arianism, a heresy that held Christ to have been human, not divine." "In 339 he gave refuge at Rome to Bishop St. Athanasius the Great of Alexandria, who had been deposed and expelled from his see by the Arians. At the Council of Rome in 340, Julius reaffirmed Athanasius’ position. Julius then tried to unite the Western bishops against Arianism by convoking in 342/343 the Council of Sardica (now Sofia, Bulg.). The council acknowledged the pope’s supreme authority, enhancing his power in ecclesiastical affairs by granting him the right to judge cases of legal possession of episcopal sees. Thus Julius restored Athanasius and refuted all Arian charges; his decision was confirmed by the Roman emperor Constantius II (an Arian) at Antioch. JULIUS' LETTERS ARE PRESERVED IN ATHANASIUS' APOLOGY AGAINST THE ARIANS." britannica com /biography/Saint-Julius-I

[@BrockSamson18]

Thank you for doing this leg work. It is very much so needed. Many of us western Christians are unaware of the history behind the Filoque though we do indeed hear the loud screaming over it from our Greek Orthodox brothers and sisters.

[@YourBoyJohnny94]

The Filioque helped end the Arianism heresy in Visigothic Spain.

[@tymon1928]

Therefore it's true?

[@Agrabah-yd8yg]

@@tymon1928the Filioque is orthodox

[@tymon1928]

@@Agrabah-yd8yg which orthodox creed has Filioque clause?

[@YourBoyJohnny94]

@@tymon1928 Filioque has power and it’s biblical so therefore it’s true.

[@tymon1928]

@@YourBoyJohnny94 verses?

[@iraqiimmigrant2908]

Oh nice! Another deep video full of quotes, research, and church history.

[@yancooper3008]

I really enjoyed a lot of your videos. They are well-presented and chocked full of historical facts. I stay away from Orthodoxy and Catholicism. There's no way I can believe Mary is sinless because that takes away from the precious blood of Jesus Christ. A Lamb without spot or blemish. There's only one sinless Savior, Jesus Christ.

[@richardlahan7068]

I'm taking a confirmation class in my Anglican church and I've been researching theological topics to bring up in class. I knew that this was a big part of the schism between the Eastern and Western churches.

[@Thatoneguy-pu8ty]

Wow Irenaeus really calling out EO and Catholics 🤯

[@abominable.7800]

anathema!

[@samueljennings4809]

@abominable.7800 …to who, exactly?

[@scottleslie5880]

The more and more I learn the history explained so well in these videos, the more and more I can't help seeing the Orthodox (and to a lesser extent the Catholics) as the literal Pharisees of our day.

[@doomer12345]

Classical Protestantism is the way

[@atanas-nikolov]

So because flawed people exist, Christianity is false. Makes sense.

[@danib712]

@@atanas-nikolovsad that you made that conclusion🤦🏻‍♀️gees

[@atanas-nikolov]

@@danib712 That's where the argument leads, idk what to tell you.

[@luggzy-e3s]

@@scottleslie5880 t they literally "anathema" anyone who doesn't follow there false doctrine that they also Just like the Pharisees claim are from Jesus, just like how the Pharisees did to Moses.

[@QBegley]

It's funny how the Ortho bros manipulate church history, then claim church history is on their side and they are just following the apostolic tradition. Particularly funny to me is the statement that laymen should not read the bible, then they come out with a study bible for the laymen. This is the kind of thing that leaves us with no choice but Sola Scriptura. Great work on debunking the East's false narrative!

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you!

[@Joshua12w2o]

Sola Scriptura > Sola Ecclesia

[@nathanaelbelt1306]

I have never known an Orthodox Priest who would instruct a layman to not read the Holy Scriptures. In fact, every priest I know would advise them to read it every day.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@nathanaelbelt1306 The Synod of Jerusalem said otherwise.

[@SS1834-u8o]

@@ancientpathstvthe synod of Jerusalem did not in any way assert that laymen should not read the Bible. It merely described the teachings of the EO and reaffirmed them because a patriarch of Constantinople had issued a confession of orthodox that expunged Calvinist ideas

[@fideidefensor1455]

Excellent video sir, this is well made, your work is very much appreciated.

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you!

[@trentr8906]

People jump ship to new denominations without even knowing what they are taking in. Thank you for posting resources that caution people from jumping to EO without considering it

[@davidmckelvey2601]

Sir, I have been curious about Orthodoxy for over a year, went to Orthodox churches, and was trying to decide whether the filioque was true or not. This has convinced me without a shadow of a doubt that Eastern Orthodoxy is false since they deny the filioque, which, as you expressed in this video, is a view shared by the church fathers. THANK YOU!

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you for the kind encouragement. Don't be afraid to test all things by God's Word. No one has anything to fear from the truth, but liars.

[@АлексейИванов-с8и]

It's funny to see how first one dude with a beard accuses reformers of "judging councils," and then another dude with a beard judges for himself which councils are right and which are not. pathetic sight.

[@Phill0old]

The younger guy is a bit of an ass.

[@willtheperson7224]

@@Phill0old And Calvinists are good willed... Oh wait -_-

[@АлексейИванов-с8и]

​@@Phill0old I think so😂

[@Phill0old]

@@willtheperson7224 I didn't say "All Orthodox" just that one guy. I have seen a bit of him and he is, in my humble opinion, a bit of an ass. There are Calvinists I don't like. Catholics I don't like. I don't think everyone is a good guy. Clearly you are a snowflake and easily triggered by any criticism. Get over it.

[@889Pammov]

Look another "I Hate Calvin" bot 🥱🦾🤖.​@@willtheperson7224

[@libatonvhs]

EO shenanigans must be brought to light, too many people are seduced by their claims these days!

[@ancientpathstv]

Our three videos on the subject are easily accessible at www.orthodox.video.

[@BrianRich1689]

Love these videos.

[@catfinity8799]

As an Anglican, I'd say that no council is infallible, but councils can be known to be without error if they are universally accepted by the Church and have been for a long time. This is true for the first 6, with only the anathemas against Origen in the 5th being called into question.

[@Matthew-nu8wf]

Thank you for another fantastic video! The intricacies of the historical context of these councils and decisions is so interesting, especially the political motivations. What resources would you recommend to people wanting to study further? I've read Nick Needham's series 2000 Years of Christ's Power and would like to take my knowledge of church history a step further.

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you for the kind encouragement. If you ignore his rant against Reformed folks at the end, Heresies by Harold O.J. Brown is a very good history. The Courage To Be Protestant by David Wells is also very good. The Patristic Roots of Reformed Worship by Hughes Old is another great resource. It seems Reformed have lost the sense that we're the historic, as well as Biblical faith.

[@Matthew-nu8wf]

@@ancientpathstv Thanks, I'll have to check those out! If I remember correctly you told James White you have one more EO video in the works, do you have any plans for videos on other groups following that?

[@ancientpathstv]

@@Matthew-nu8wf I have short one on Pentecostalism with the editor and I'm working on one on Alcoholics Anonymous and another on Mormonism.

[@RobCee4ever]

@@ancientpathstvlooking forward to watching these!

[@Jamric-gr8gr]

Although I'm a Catholic, I appreciate you for refuting the wicked heresies of the Eastern "orthodox". They are an abomination.

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you. Please watch. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6WscqGPaq5rebc

[@donaldveitch2158]

Thank you for this.

[@markster136]

Thank You

[@derneue1875]

Eastern „Orthodoxy“ is the Reddit version of Christianity

[@jg7923]

Rest in peace Zachariah Schirmer who killed himself after he was rejected for baptism at Saint Anthony’s Monastery in Arizona in 2022 and also the monk Scott Nevins that killed himself after years of spiritual and psychological abuse at the monastery in 2011.

[@bhhfcsjdjdhwhf]

so many horror stories from western converts who, seeing online posts, go to an orthodox church. they’re either turned away/ignored by the priest or simply feel alienated as the only non greek/georgian/russian there. theological debates aside, the biggest issue in the (un)orthodox church is its nationalistic view towards the west. these priests and their congregations simply don’t want westerners in their church for no other reason besides that they’re not easterners.

[@jg7923]

@@bhhfcsjdjdhwhf Yep, and they will gas light and harass you with weaponized psychology to push you out covertly. There are some genuine and kind ones but most are just sociopaths who want you gone. I’m convinced that some are even Satan worshippers that are there to curse potential converts and drive them away.

[@nathanmagnuson2589]

Nothing like using 2 tragic deaths as polemical fodder on the internet

[@jg7923]

@@nathanmagnuson2589 It's to highlight how sociopathic you people Really are, Especially The Greeks.

[@EcclesiaInvicta]

​@@nathanmagnuson2589 Where the Polemic though?

[@KaptainKLamity]

babe wake up, ancientpaths uploaded

[@bruhmingo]

Sola scriptura reigns again

[@tonyoliver2750]

Who decides what is scripture? Certainly not scripture, therefore the idea of sola scriptura is a fallacy.

[@gades_gabriel]

= 30k churchs bro

[@Joshua12w2o]

@@gades_gabrieldid u look into the number of Eastern denominations from the same source?

[@danib712]

@@tonyoliver2750that’s not what scripture alone is no Protestant thinks of scripture that way.

[@tonyoliver2750]

@@danib712 "...no Protestant thinks of scripture that way." That's some claim you're making. How do you know what a billion Protestants think?

[@Yup...ugotscammed]

*"Out of the same mouth comes both BLESSINGS and CURSES. These my brothers SHOULD NOT be this way.."* James 3:10 *"You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil, say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks. The good man brings good things out if his good store of treasures, and the evil man brings evil things out of his evil store of evil treasures. But, I tell you men will give an account on the day of the judgment for every careless word they have spoken"* Matthew 12:34-37 *"Let no unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for bringing up the one in need, and bringing grace to those who listen"* Ephesians 4:29

[@michaelg4919]

I think the 7th argument works but "to be Christan" is defined by doctrine (i.e. the faith of the Apostles). This gives us 4 ecumenical councils since the OO accepted it and rebelled only 6 years afterwards, and the Assyrians accepted Chalcedon (and with that all 4) at Mar Aba 1 as well.

[@Phill0old]

There are two issues. 1) Is the filioque correct? 2) Did the Pope have the right to change the creed? The answers are 1) Probably 2) No

[@tonyoliver2750]

1) Probably not.

[@antoniodesousa9723]

1. If God is One and made up of 3 Persons, does it matter? 1000 year quibbling about human words. The Creed was a human creation so imperfect, imperfect beings like us humans have no words to describe perfection. 2. Did the Pope change the Creed or did he just authorize or approve an old custom of western Christians especially those of Hispania, who had to counter the Arian heresy installed by the Suevi, Vandal and Visigoths on the Hispano- Romans

[@Phill0old]

@@antoniodesousa9723 Of course it mattered. Of course he changed it.

[@abominable.7800]

I believe the eastern church would have accepted the filioque if it had been instated via an ecumenical council of all the churches coming together in agreement and an understanding of it. that never took place thus why they don't accept it. councils have the weight of the whole church and God speaks through them. one man cannot, one bishop cannot lest God himself confirms it. the eastern churches even went as far as to accept the pope as 'first among equals' but he abused a power he never had or was ever given.

[@Phill0old]

@TheCoachsCoach933 Your response to question 2 makes no sense because having keys and being able to unilaterally change creeds have no obvious link.

[@ginodonado1019]

Im a huge fan of your work! Thank you! I have a question. Is it a heresy to deny the filioque clause?

[@ancientpathstv]

I believe it would be an error to deny it, but not heresy. I would be much more comfortable with someone who doesn't see it as a necessary inference. We need to be very careful with speculative theology.

[@Dilley_G45]

The filioque literally goes AGAINST the words of Jesus in John 14:26 (I think thats the verse). It was an overreaction, it wasn't done in an ecumenical Council and it is confusing the trinity. No I won't recite my niceene creed with a medieval papist addition thanks

[@ancientpathstv]

@@Dilley_G45 You really should watch a video before ranting against it.

[@Dilley_G45]

@@ancientpathstv I'm not ranting. I just defend biblical truth. Thats not ranting

[@ancientpathstv]

@@Dilley_G45 You commented on a video without engaging any of its content, indicating you never bothered to watch it or paid no attention, if you did. That's ranting.

[@Roqu3Quinc0t]

The anathemas of the orthos at the beginning are hilarious 😂

[@Lafilledlapluie]

Lol the way that I'm speechless but this explains a lot lollll Lol my head

[@brettmahlen722]

Make Hieria Orthodox Again!

[@ancientpathstv]

Amen!

[@GabrielWithoutWings]

Frankfurt > Hieria

[@OrthodoxChristianTheology]

@@GabrielWithoutWings Franks were duplicitous. 14 Frankish bishops anathematized those who don't venerate icons in Rome 769.

[@GabrielWithoutWings]

Nicaea 2 is cringe, Craig.

[@Joshua12w2o]

@@OrthodoxChristianTheologythe comment I am going to make doesn’t have anything to do with this thread Wat is ur position on St Augustines view of icons and relics

[@darushk2635]

The picture at 3:55 is WILD!

[@Yup...ugotscammed]

SINISTER🥺

[@JohnSmith-rw8zg]

You know I would be more offend about being continously anathematized if only the chants weren't all such bangers

[@andyontheinternet5777]

I feel like I'm watching the Sanhedrin at 0:57

[@r.a.panimefan2109]

Pharisees the whole lot of em.

[@DANtheMANofSIPA]

Maybe because the Orthodox Church is the continuation of the Old Testament Temple and worship. There is continuity, but no continuity in Protestantism.

[@andyontheinternet5777]

@@DANtheMANofSIPA Orthodox church does a great job of continuing the Old Testament tradition of idolatry

[@r.a.panimefan2109]

@DANtheMANofSIPA scripture tells us the temple was brought down. No stones on another. ... r u serious. U realize protestants always noticed the orthodox and catholics were nothing but a continuous trade of pharisees. Adding to the laws of scripture. U know something pual points out that some eat meat others abstain. I apply this as principle to protestants denominations. Denominations share the important views. Christ is god. The word made flesh. We agree the scripture is the words of God The 1 infallible rule. We understand there will be differences in opinion Becuase scripture with pual show cases there will be those with certain views others that have different. It's freedom in christ. So long as we hold chist is god. We recognize people have differences of opinion. We recognize a difference between unity And your uniformity.(we note that u may tout your special lock step aspect.) But we prefer unity (tolerance despite difference)

[@SixWildKids]

The model is from Acts 15 - the first council of the church where we read the phrases there "no mall dissension and disputation" (15:2), "when there had been much disputing" (15:7). They took it to Jerusalem where after hearing both sides James then said "Wherefore my sentence is""(15:19). Followed by "Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church" (15:22). If it was messy in the early church with the original Apostles present, then it's going to be even more messy as many heresies arose. But the pattern was set of the church meeting in council, arguing it out, and reaching the conclusion. Those that reject the ruling find themselves outside the Church. The other choice is what we see today where every man [every Reformer in this case] does what is right in his own eyes and anathematizes the others.

[@ogsnoop2126]

Great Video will have to add more timestamps for this wealth of information. 17:17 Athanasius on his basis challenging Arianism

[@MrMrs-g2w]

I'm confused, can someone explain to me in very simple layman's terms? thank you

[@ancientpathstv]

Photius, the ninth-century Patriarch of Constantinople was looking for an excuse to anathematize the Roman Catholic church, so he declared the filioque (the doctrine that the Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son) to be heresy. In doing so, he anthematized Athanasius, Augustine, Jerome and a host of others. The East's claims don't stand up to Scripture or the testimony of the early church.

[@MrMrs-g2w]

@@ancientpathstv Thank you I appreciate the simple explanation. God bless you all.

[@Casanthis]

​@@ancientpathstvWhy doesn't East's claims stand up to early church?

[@rastaman4565]

Thank you!

[@pawlaovicto7824]

I mean wow that seems to destroy the "conciliarist" argument for the Eastern Orthodox (from my POV). But then again Rome overflexed the Papal muscles very hard and until now I have a hard time trying to grasp Sola Scriptura because the Lutheran Nuda Scriptura makes a lot of sense, but a good point is to say that the Eucharist is no more than a symbol because Christ gave the bread and wine when His body was still whole. But then it all falls under the problem of whether or not us Evangelicals have works-based salvation, because without the Eucharist and Baptismal Regeneration/Efficacy, all the mystic of the Christian Faith is gone (the "Gratia" in "Sola Gratia" is forsaken) because the "Born-Again experience" has nothing to do with that.

[@ancientpathstv]

Lord willing, "Luther's One True Church" is coming out soon. In spite of all the Lutheran claims to the contrary, the Reformed have Athanasius and Augustine on their side on the nature of the real presence.

[@Joshua12w2o]

@@ancientpathstv hope u release it soon

[@ancientpathstv]

@@Joshua12w2o Lord willing, it will be in November.

[@RandomTheology]

In my second lecture on the Filioque, I explore Dr. Joshua Sijuwade and Dr. Mark Makin’s work to philosophically analyze the Filioque.

[@blackforestgiant648]

I mean, there are hostilities in some people towards other denominations, but integrating it in your liturgy requires a special kind of animosity. 😮

[@su-chunpeng7108]

Vayikra Rabbah 14:1 For the opinion of Reish Lakish, there is the verse: [Genesis 1:2] "And the spirit of God wavered upon the water" - that is the spirit of the king messiah.

[@frederickanderson1860]

Unbelievable instead of going against human trafficking and the crimes and cruelty of man. Instead they focus on this theological idea.

[@calebbrunson7120]

Outside of the Greek Orthodox church I used to go to they have a lot of homeless people. The church built a big fence to keep the poor and destitute out. But they are now building a new bejeweled addition to the multimillion dollar church temple

[@frederickanderson1860]

@calebbrunson7120 typical double standards.

[@calebbrunson7120]

@@frederickanderson1860 The Eastern Orthodox church purports to be the "ancient" and "apostolic" church founded by Christ himself. But, when the Spirit of God came down upon the Assembly of Pentecost, the first Christians sold all their belongings and shared communally as each had need! Most "Orthodox" today would deem this as antisocial communism

[@frederickanderson1860]

@calebbrunson7120 exactly such is the apt description of these priestly authorities, wolves in sheep's clothing.

[@GabrielWithoutWings]

This combined with Dwong’s videos basically destroys any anti-filioque position.

[@regostMMA]

Yeah, dwong is great. 👌

[@Triniforchrist]

They are hard hearted like the Orthodox Jews 😢

[@siobhanlewis2706]

Golden Rule: Never use a short word if a long word will do. Especially one which no one knows how to pronounce.

[@prayunceasingly2029]

Do Presbyterians accept the presence of Christ in the eucharist? Because you quote Irenaeus in against heresies, but in that document Irenaeus proclaims the real flesh and blood of Christ in the eucharist.

[@ancientpathstv]

We believe that we truly feed upon Christ, but as demonstrated in an upcoming video, we agree with Athanasius and Augustine that it's a spiritual, not a physical presence.

[@OrthodoxChristianTheology]

There will be a response, in a few hours actually. I thought the other films were argued well and researched decently. This documentary is not researched well and this is why it can be very quickly responded to.

[@jg7923]

Rest in peace Zachariah Schirmer and the monk Scott Nevins.

[@OrthodoxChristianTheology]

@@GregorasProject What spirit motivates such animus?

[@FireSquad101]

@@OrthodoxChristianTheology that spirit is probably birthed from the vitriol spewed at Protestant Christians from the Orthodox Christians.

[@hasanyrom9055]

@@OrthodoxChristianTheology Spirit of God that prevails against idolaters like you who declare others damned for not worshipping lifeless images.

[@OrthodoxChristianTheology]

@@hasanyrom9055 there is a difference between zeal and animus

[@a-fr3rm]

Anyway one could get a bibliography for the video?

[@ancientpathstv]

The citations are given in the video. I don't have time to collect them in a separate document.

[@karol9205]

You are probably best Protestant apologist, besides Gavin Ortlund. Thank you for your great work!

[@ancientpathstv]

Soli Deo Gloria!

[@JayEhm1517]

The Word birthed the sacraments and the sacraments the church. EOs are low key gnostics.

[@Jamric-gr8gr]

There are so many EO responses to the fact that church fathers taufht the filioque How do we know we are correct although didn't you/we respond to them?

[@ancientpathstv]

We have responded. God has spoken infallibly in the Scriptures. That trumps everything else. We take comfort that the early church understood those Scriptures the same as we do. Rome and Eastern Orthodoxy insist their churches are infallible, when clearly they have contradicted themselves.

[@saltandlight93]

Their liturgy is anathematizing. Lol Is constantly cursing people to hell a fruit of the Spirit. Maybe we need a Saint to answer that. Or ask your priest lol

[@robertparsons313]

This sounds like inspiration for a Monty Python skit.

[@nickpuencho]

please do more on infant ba[tism from n early church perspective

[@ancientpathstv]

I've done two large videos. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iaqzYayXqJ6nd9U kzbin.info/www/bejne/bGnbZ6NjrZmbgaM

[@emilianoestevarena5071]

I find it funny how many online apologetics gloss over St. John Damascene's Exposition of the Orthodox Faith as an "invention" or "Nestorianism", but no one dares to actually go deeper and attempt to refute his vision on the Filioque and the relationship between the Spirit and the Son. Some go on theological tangents like the essence-energy distinction (a totally unrelated topic), but you're innovating in tangents by arguing against the very notion catholicism instead of refuting the orthodox position of the Filioque.

[@ancientpathstv]

I find it funny that anyone takes John Damascene seriously. His defense of icons was completely discredited in The Failure of Eastern Orthodoxy. Even Catholic scholar Fr. Richard Price admits, ". . .the iconoclast claim that reverence towards images did not go back to the golden age of the fathers [i.e., 325-451], still less to the apostles, would be judged by impartial historians today to be simply correct."

[@olegsoltis3305]

Very informative video. I’m confused though by the fact that is the production of Presbyterian church. Last time I checked it, in Canada Presbyterians accept same sex marriages, contrary to the views expressed in this video. ?

[@ancientpathstv]

Sadly, many still call themselves Presbyterian, though they've abandoned the historic and Biblical faith. They're typically very liberal and about a generation from dying out. We're part of a faithful Presbyterian denomination. If you scroll through our videos, several years ago I debated the pastor of First Baptist of Salt Lake City. He's part of the American Baptist denomination and thinks homosexuality is a gift from God that should be celebrated. Since Baptists are typically more conservative, it confused a lot of folks that the Presbyterian was calling homosexuals to repentance and forgiveness in Jesus.

[@publican168]

John 15:26. Our Lord teaches that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father

[@ancientpathstv]

I see you didn't bother to watch the video.

[@Biblecia]

I really would love some help on this.

[@Triniforchrist]

What you mean?

[@carlose4314]

"through the Son" and "and the Son" mean the same thing The Eastern Orthodox do accept the Filioque in a roundabout way.

[@jamiecharles8334]

Why does trentham put on an accent with certain words?

[@paulwoodhouse3386]

Not gonna lie, it is super dorky they actually have a song for condemning something as anathema 😂

[@rprestarri]

Amen

[@YourBoyJohnny94]

Irene of Athens sounds like a straight up Jezebel same with Theodora.

[@r.a.panimefan2109]

While i disagree with some of augustines position. I respect him because he was so clear about sola scriptura. He even said his own words Councils. Church father writing Any and all of them could be in error as the were not divine or inspired but prone to human error. He was a proponent of science. And in reading the old testament and new. Aka just war theory. Abandonment of pure pacifism These were wonderful things. And he had modesty about him. Do i agree with tulip theology calvinism or seminal headship No But thats whats wonderful with being protestant we measure mans ideas according to scripture.... Trent horn loves to say sola Always goes to nuda scriptura But its the opposite. We start with nuda... (naked) Simply reading bible no presuming Then sola (adding traditions and creeds meekly and carefully) And the smart man considers actual historical context to the receiver of the writing. With out history and knowledge of the areas where the writing took place the picture is incomplete The e.o.and r.c. Use a barstool. Scripture tradition council as three equal supports. But thats not it. Its actually more of a pyramid scheme. Scriptures and of course christ the word made flesh is the chief pillers Christ being the corner stone. Prophets and apostles the foundation built around him Then fellow believers building it up. Then councils creeds and traditions are the paint and plaster. They help identify the building. But its not the building itself. We the people the real ecclesia are the temple. Its amazing the ingnore such clearness.

[@Vinsanity997]

52:08 Unfortunately this is not a perfect method in that it sounds nice to say “the popes contradict so the Catholics are wrong, the fathers contradict so the Orthodox are wrong, but the scriptures don’t contradict so we’re in the right” But many could say that the Bible contradicts itself as well. There are many examples of this and we all have answers for them, sometimes simple and other times elaborate. (Mike Licona wrote a book on just the contradictions in the gospels which is an interesting read. ) As such it seems to me disingenuous for the protestant to claim the high ground here. We would simply do what you do to reconcile the gospels and apply that to the popes and fathers

[@ancientpathstv]

First, if Rome and Eastern Orthodoxy try to attack the Bible, they lose all credibility for maintaining oral tradition, as well. Second, I sincerely doubt Mike Licona would even claim to be a confessional Protestant. His background is Independent and Southern Baptist. His errors have been refuted multiple times, and he definitely does not represent confessional Protestantism. God has spoken and has providentially preserved His Word. That has been defended against all critics (The Bible vs. Bart Ehrman is on this channel.) Protestants are the ones who stand with the early church in our understanding the Bible and against the medieval errors of Rome (www.romancatholic.video) and Eastern Orthodoxy (www.orthodox.video). You're the one being disingenuous.

[@Vinsanity997]

@@ancientpathstv good evening, That doesn’t dispel my point, however, that there are “contradictions” in the Bible which have to be resolved through a deep dive into things like narrative style, context, nuances and genre. This is because on its face there are different accounts in the gospels and the historic books of the ot. Did the centurion come to Christ himself or did he send someone? What day was Christ crucified? Who went to see him at the tomb? Why are the genealogies different? Things which of course have answers but they aren’t straightforward in the sense that you can just read the passages side by side and come away without any questions. There is a reason that books are written on the subject. In the same way, we should have the right to contextualize and harmonize the popes and fathers even if they seem to contradict (in spite of the fact that their supposed contradictions are in almost all cases allowable as they doesn’t destroy the outline of the faith, just as manuscript errors don’t change the essence of the gospel)

[@ancientpathstv]

@@Vinsanity997 Apparently you didn't take the time to watch the videos to which I pointed you before responding. The Scriptures can be harmonized. Popes and councils can't.

[@Vinsanity997]

@@ancientpathstv I actually have, more so the Orthodox one It seems to me much more subjective to say that someone couldn’t reconcile the Church fathers but they can reconcile biblical discrepancies which are enough to make people lose their faith. If a Protestant would urge others to be charitable with the Bible and be open to dozens of explanations to harmonize the text then maybe we should be allowed the same charity with the fathers I just say what is good for you is good for us as well. But I don’t know you personally so I’m not sure how you would reconcile biblical discrepancies or if you would be fine with having competing traditions on the Bible as long as the core remains in tact

[@ancientpathstv]

@@Vinsanity997 You're mischaracterizing the nature of harmonization. Matthew may summarize events more than Luke, but church fathers and councils take mutually exclusive positions. They contradict; the Scriptures don't.

[@abominable.7800]

I'd just like to say not all eastern orthodox are so hard pressed on the filioque some have actually lighted themselves to it but they by no means accept it. take that as you will.

[@ancientpathstv]

When their church formally anathematizes it, they're being dishonest if they don't as well.

[@Joshua12w2o]

Gonna watch it now lol

[@donaldlococo954]

The filioque issue is political. Maximus the Confessor, the greatest orthodox theologian of the 8th C, advisor to Byzantine emperors,, held it to be true. It can be traced back in a two thousand year tradition to Augustine and Irenaeus, the latter who was ordained bishop by Polycarp, a disciple of John the Apostle. Why has the church been blowing this horn for 2000 years?

[@ancientpathstv]

As shown in the video, Constantinople was looking for an excuse to anathematize a German "Holy Roman Empire."

[@jojor9766]

Thanks for the laugh. It always makes me laugh when I watch these sects call down God's damnation on each other in such dramatic and lyrical fashions. Personally, I leave the judgment of people to Jesus. God said not to judge lest you will be judged and so as you judge so will you be judged. If you choose to judge others, then I suggest you use a forgiving yard stick. One day you will face Jesus and personally, I am hoping that he uses the most lenient criteria when he judges me. I trust in Grace but still want all the leniency I can get.

[@MHWTP]

26:45 but he said his statement was blasphemous and impious, not that he was a heretic

[@bhhfcsjdjdhwhf]

clip of the orthodox priests singing about how every other christian denomination is anathema is so bizarre and creepy. how can western orthodox converts seriously go to a church that sings about how their family, ancestors, and neighbours are all going to hell or are in hell?

[@FireSquad101]

@@bhhfcsjdjdhwhf this is the main thing that perturbs me about Orthodoxy

[@bhhfcsjdjdhwhf]

@@FireSquad101 the EO is in desperate need of change. they act like a borderline anti west hate group at times. western converts are mistreated constantly and overseas the bishops encourage wars against the west. look up zachariah schirmer if you haven’t yet; he was a western convert who unfortunately decided to end his life because he was denied from an EO church.

[@GarrettTheFool]

Galatians 1:8-12 "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be ACCURSED (anathema). As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed (ANATHEMA). For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ. But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ." The word "Accursed" is ANATHEMA in Greek. You don't like it and think it's too harsh, your issue is with Paul and the Bible. It is a fundamental fact that we preach different Gospels, and that Protestant denominations preach a "gospel other than what [we] have received," for one by basically omitting several sacraments and Apostolic practices. But by going against the Church's teachings, you become Anathematized as Paul says. The service is once a year (or just a few times, it is not a frequent thing), and is a celebration of the triumph of Orthodox faith over heresies of the past. And the thing about Anathema: as far as I'm aware, you can recant your heresies at any time and be reconciled with the Church.

[@bhhfcsjdjdhwhf]

@@GarrettTheFool even if they use words from the Bible it’s still weird and cultish. we don’t sing about how non Christians will be sent to hell when they die or how those baptists down the road are so going to fry for what they think. your little song about how every other Christian who isn’t a part of the hyper niche eastern church is just another instance of the unorthodox church being extremely bigoted and ignorant towards the west.

[@Peter-tr7gg]

If that disturbs you that much good luck getting through the Bible

[@pawlaovicto7824]

45:17 "just kidding, they turn back on each other and don't take the Holy Land"

[@NilceLima-s7d]

Didn't the church do that in the first millenium

[@Vattsu]

The thing is even if Orthodoxy is false they have some merit on the filioque. Even Aquinas would agree that the Father is the principal cause and the Son is "only" co-cause. What the orthodox over protect is to keep The Father as the sole causer. In reality the only difference in the trinitarian formula between the west and east is the following: Does the son cause the spirit eternally or economically. And I feel we can argue for both all day. But we all agree at the very least that The Father is the principal cause and there is a real eternal relation between the Son and Spirit. That is easily communicated via "through the Son". And I think we all can agree that we deny that there would be 2 causes in the Trinity. I think the differences are extremely small. The real heresies are in those who believe in two causers or that there is no true relation in eternity between the Son and the Spirit.

[@ancientpathstv]

Did you watch the video?

[@Vattsu]

​@@ancientpathstv Yes, come on don't think I am here in bad faith I love your stuff. Watch if you have the time www.youtube.com/@TheCathodox all of his videos are about the Filioque and responding to a catholic attacking the eastern thinking of this. I am kinda convinced that at the very least this video even though it does a perfect job on showing the wrongs of orthodoxy it might be a bad steelman of their view of these things. You are unfortunately kind of quote-mining the fathers. It isn't as simple as you show it. Even if you are right. I mean I am protestant I don't care too much. But I just might not be read enough and educated enough in this to understand something you guys understand. Maybe you could even respond to their claims which would also be a total victory for the filioque since this little channel is the only one to have actually ever make me rethink the filioque.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@Vattsu I'm glad you like the videos, but, "Bad steelman"? "Quote-mining"? Unless you can demonstrate misrepresentation, that's just name-calling. I've engaged the best Eastern Orthodox sources I could find and even had an Eastern Orthodox apologist give me feedback on the video before it was released. I asked if you'd watched the video, because none of your comments engaged its content. When Photios admitted that he was anathematizing the teachings of Augustine (a "church father" according to an ecumenical council) along with Jerome, I have a hard time taking him seriously. When it's demonstrated that Athanasius (another "church father") taught the filioque as well, I have a hard time taking the East's claims seriously as a whole.

[@Vattsu]

​@@ancientpathstv Sorry my intention was not name-calling. Especially a brother in Christ. As I said I am on your side. It's not like I want the orthodox to be right. By quote-mining I mean that the video makes this issue seem much simpler than it is, theology-wise. I am not arguing the Photios part. I believe you are right. This is just on theology. I can't possibly summarize his views in comments here. If you find it worth your time at some point it would be great to see your input on what he brings to the table. If not, a video I'd like to see a comment or something just to see how he is wrong, because I had a very hard time noticing any obvious faults with his reasoning. He does tackle what Saint Athanasius says: kzbin.info/www/bejne/apm4o32aed94qpI even if not the same quote. He has like 6 videos about this, not specifically your video tho. Just add to future study of the eastern position the channel I mention. From my perspective the best and only defense of their position which at the very least feels to be coherent with the fathers. The guy harmonizes even Augustine with their view. There is no point for me to defend their worldview I just found myself swayed by his arguments. (not like that proves Orthodoxy we still have the whole mess with Nicea II which is pretty much the main proof of their lies). Sorry if the way I engaged with your reply and video seemed like trolling or something along these lines. But do give him a watch if you ever find time for it. God bless!

[@AmillennialMillenial]

A fallible list of infallible councils?!….

[@timothyjordan5731]

Chanting "Anathema". How pharisaical!

[@AlbanianDude98]

why does every reply i post get automatically deleted?

[@ancientpathstv]

I haven't deleted any of your posts.

[@AlbanianDude98]

@@ancientpathstv I thought at first it might've been you lol, but I think it was a KZbin issue the whole time. My comments were just not showing up on my end.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@AlbanianDude98 I only delete the worst of the ranters. 🙂

[@AlbanianDude98]

@@ancientpathstv Haha. Btw, just curious, have you seen OrthodoxChristianTheology (Craig Trulia's) response video to yours?

[@ancientpathstv]

@@AlbanianDude98 I saw the response to my first video. I was unimpressed with Whiteford's arguments. I don't think that questioning evolving stories of a monk living a year on 1/6 of a date means I have to throw out Biblical miracles. His accusations of "quote-mining" and "cherry-picking" were also just name-calling, since he didn't demonstrate a single misrepresentation. Contrary to his speculation, I actually fast. Craig actually had me on a later show, and I was impressed with his respect. ( I had a lot of technical issues - - my regular Internet was down.) On the filioque, I haven't seen anything, but I've interacted enough with Craig, that I think I know his objections. I think he brings unwarranted assumptions to the evidence. I'm sure he probably believes the same about me, but I've appreciated his tone.

[@AdithiaKusno]

Min 0:37 "To those who affirm that the Holy Spirit which is from the Father, proceeds also from the Son that He has His existence and subsists through the Son and from the Son. And hath the Son as His cause and source, Anathema!" This is invalid anathema because Florence specifically dogmatized the Father alone as sole source. The Son has no Aseity. Causa in Latin has different meaning than aitia in Greek. Principia/causa in Latin has no dependency of existence or hypostatic origination implication. Hence eternal manifestation from the Father and the Son as taught by Second Blachernae and Fourth Palamite council are compatible with Florence. Jared Goff at Reason and Theology when interviewed stated that Second Blachernae is compatible with Second Lyon. The misunderstanding is similar to Chalcedonians versus OOs Christology. No one would dispute that OOs condemned Eutychius one simple nature because OOs profess after union one can in theoria contemplate the two natures. That's why OOs argue after union Christ is both God and man in one composite nature analogous to soul and body united after conception. This anathema is not valid because no one who profess Filioque, profess the Son as co-source. Florence explicitly distinguish the Father as source and principle while the Son only as principle not source. This is consistent with St Damascene analogy of root, trunk, and branch or fount, river, and lake. Where neither trunk nor river is source but merely principle from which branch and lake manifest. St Aquinas and St Palamas views are compatible. Nowhere Aquinas profess that the Son is source but the Father alone.

[@annakimborahpa]

Narrator at 17:03-13: "Athanasius eventually would be declared the father of orthodoxy for standing against SUPPOSEDLY ecumenical councils and the pope of Rome but many ignore the basis on which he did so." Response: " ... SUPPOSEDLY ..."? That's a hedge. Quoting the Britannica online article St. Julius I/pope: "Saint Julius I (born, Rome-died April 12, 352; feast day April 12) was the pope from 337 to 352. The papacy had been vacant four months when he was elected as St. Mark’s successor on Feb. 6, 337. Julius then became the chief support of orthodoxy and the Nicene Creed against Arianism, a heresy that held Christ to have been human, not divine." "In 339 he gave refuge at Rome to Bishop St. Athanasius the Great of Alexandria, who had been deposed and expelled from his see by the Arians. At the Council of Rome in 340, Julius reaffirmed Athanasius’ position. Julius then tried to unite the Western bishops against Arianism by convoking in 342/343 the Council of Sardica (now Sofia, Bulg.). The council acknowledged the pope’s supreme authority, enhancing his power in ecclesiastical affairs by granting him the right to judge cases of legal possession of episcopal sees. Thus Julius restored Athanasius and refuted all Arian charges; his decision was confirmed by the Roman emperor Constantius II (an Arian) at Antioch. JULIUS' LETTERS ARE PRESERVED IN ATHANASIUS' APOLOGY AGAINST THE ARIANS." britannica com /biography/Saint-Julius-I

[@ancientpathstv]

The pope being referenced was Liberius, not Julius.