And The 2025 MVP Is… | The Panel

[@Fab_rice95]

Never listen to somebody only using either eye-test or Stats to judge a sport. Both are important. That's why eye-witnesses are crossed examined and Stats can be deceiving

[@pensarebasketball]

This comment deserves 30 likes.

[@MarzTalksSports]

Ill listen to whoever sounds the most convincing regardless of what theyre saying

[@pensarebasketball]

@@MarzTalksSports I'm dead (no aura, unlikable)

[@birdo9039]

@@Fab_rice95 you think coaches are coaching from the analytic perspective or off using their experienced eye, maybe trusting what their players tell them since they using their eye on the court ? lol

[@aherbo18]

@@birdo9039coaches, especially the more modern coaches as the game advances, definitely use both the eye test and analytics.

[@huncho5554]

Chill town got deep fried on that jt convo again

[@howitzdone8992]

Chill just argued against Voter Fatigue by describing Voter fatigue/Narrative,😂😂😂 and still he values accolades so highly

[@MarzTalksSports]

I want to make it abundantly clear: I THINK JOKIC DESERVED HIS MVPS (and probably wouldve won 4 straight if it was up to me) I just think alot of stuff that used to happen is no longer happening and hes the beneficiary (i think its dumb they used to happen i just think its ironic hes the benefactor) 21 he wins MVP (not a #1 seed but is fully deserving giannis was deemed not eligible due to playoff failures) 22 He wins again (6 seed after giannis won a chip with a dominant finals performance and was deemed by the majority as the best player itl) 23 hes on track to win again (IT TOOK RACISM ACCUSATIONS to change it) 24 (he wins for the third time despite not playing better than his previous seasons usually u had to exceed ur prior mvp seasons to continue winning) Russell westbrook dominated advanced stats and they changed them instantly cos they deemed it inaccurate. Jokic has 3 of the top 10 DBPM seasons in history and nothing has changed. Direct Quote: 'Assists are interesting. For guards, the BPM and OBPM coefficients are similar. For bigs, though, the offensive value of assists is less than the total value. Assists are a significant indicator of defensive skill for bigs.' Its admitted that assists for bigs inflate his defensive numbers. yet NOTHING has been done to change that when its CLEARLY wrong that he leads the league every year. but when its russ it was changed. Vorp is the cumulative version of BPM so if BPM is this blatantly flawed (particularly for jokic) what is VORP? (this stuff also benefits sabonis he had the 5th highest DBPM this year tied with giannis) All in all. i think jokic is the BITW and i think he deserved his mvps if not more. BUT i think jokic has benefitted from narrative changes and reliance on advanced stats more than most. and this stuff and more is why I DO NOT CARE ABOUT ACCOLADES. i can see whos the best for myself and i can speak on players without the use of accolades. i never have used them and i never will. its all narratives and nonsense. form your opinions for yourselves. Marztalkssports back sunday tap in!!

[@Hamarin123456789]

He didn't deserve it last year stop lying, Malone plays him with the starters then throws a trash bench unit out there to boost his on/off numbers. Also people don't understand centers having a higher fg% than guards is expected.

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@Hamarin123456789 ive never brought up fg% a day in my life and ive said the stuff ab jokic plus minus before anyway so why are u responding to me with this. go away

[@Mtell22]

Good explanation of your point. I agree he benefits to a certain extent, and that's why I don't like most advanced stats. They're made to be bias to whoever you want to push a narrative for, and it downplays the actual impact of what makes a player great for their team. Jokic definitely deserved the MVPs that he won though. Even deserved it clearly the year Embiid won.

[@leroyflex1258]

Your Nash take is bad in my opinion. Nash won mvp due to narratives

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@leroyflex1258 i said that. 24 win team to 62 wins then repeated it without amare. ive NEVER said it wasnt cos of narratives lol it was ALWAYS cos he 'turnt around phoenix' then cos he 'did it without amare' how is my nash take bad,what even is my nash take

[@Senseicjj]

The fact they entertained ox for that long is crazy to me. He called Luka a grenade launcher and Marz killed that narrative with looking up the numbers. So tell me why I should trust your eye test again? Conversation over tf are we doing bro. Champagne room need him to be full time fr.

[@BIGOXMedia]

Luka is a grenade launcher. You fell for that BS Marz was talking about?

[@Senseicjj]

@@BIGOXMedia god bless you

[@XolileNompumelelo-ps9ti]

​@@BIGOXMediau don't know basketball

[@BIGOXMedia]

@@XolileNompumelelo-ps9ti Facts

[@Senseicjj]

@@XolileNompumelelo-ps9ti at all

[@l3gendarysage293]

Should do a whole show really doing a deep dive of advanced stats and stuff to really try to understand it and make it make sense

[@MarzTalksSports]

we need Pen there,he has a degree in stats and visibly disagreed w what i was saying in the chat for some reason

[@l3gendarysage293]

@@MarzTalksSports pen seems to be the one who love advanced stats the most so he would definitely need to be there

[@PeterBagjuice]

​@@MarzTalksSportsWhat could he possibly have disagreed with, it literally says more value was given to high assist bigs in the DBPM formulation. That's like "disagreeing" that yesterday was Wednesday. Do you have a link for that statement btw?

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@PeterBagjuice www.basketball-reference.com/about/bpm2.html

[@Stephen246666]

If they do this they would need an actual expert on the topic since they are pretty misinformed on how a lot of these metrics are formed. Ideally getting someone that has actually worked in a team's analytics department would be great like Goldsberry/Partnow/Goldstein

[@JHPG5]

Chill hyping up randle like he better than Kd and kawhi

[@EMCAndrew383]

The fact it took Ron 2 hours to get to the list is absolutely disgusting not even joking like wtf is he doing bruh

[@MarzTalksSports]

U know how he be

[@HighSwalloughcome]

Chill really can’t let the Luka Tatum thing go lmao

[@rashonduswashington4025]

This is why I hate accolades a lot of them are biased and it’s unfair to the players.

[@birdo9039]

lol this was a really good episode man, I thoroughly enjoyed the debates from start to finish (minus the usual JT hate segment lead by Swipa & Ron) but other than that, really good episode. I think everyone made good points in their arguments. I thoroughly agree with Ox, some of the analytics are overly used but really everyone is seeing the game from their own experiences whether you hooped or coach before or maybe you a student of the game like Marz either way basketball is the greatest sport in the world!!!

[@SaKuL_W]

We just gonna gloss over Chill having the mavs outside of the top 5 and Luka not on MVP list?

[@MarzTalksSports]

yes,yes we are

[@MOE__]

Why is that a problem it’s his list and opinion

[@SaKuL_W]

@@MarzTalksSports unfortunate, Luka just be doin too much for his team man. L

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@SaKuL_W hes so good hes not good enough,yessir

[@SaKuL_W]

@@MOE__ not a problem to have the opinion. The problem is allowing this obvious outlandish opinion and not having him explain his reasoning on Luka & his team this year.

[@PrinceDJj]

Great show fellas

[@savierlittlejohn7657]

Jt doesnt completely clear Clyde, but hes obviously better, Jt on those Portland teams definitely win in 90 and potentially 92

[@MarzTalksSports]

obviously,interesting

[@lucienetienne5164]

I think the NBA having an offensive player of the year award will simply help the mvp criteria mess

[@ryleyb3256]

oh i see, marz got the $1k from pcl and decided he didnt need open gym money anymore

[@camrunco]

Bro….. yall have to do whatever to get swipa on the show full time, Him Vs Marz is the BEST debates on the show, nobody can hang with Marz, and nobody can hang with swipa, clash of the titans, I love it

[@camrunco]

Man I actually enjoy listening to Ox talk basketball too but sometimes he get too stuck in his point and won’t bend

[@MarzTalksSports]

'noone can hang with swipa' john D packed him up

[@DreJ912]

I agree with having Marz. Swipa just rambles for the sake of being a contrarian.

[@nykareem2001]

Top theft won’t pay him enough

[@betweendalinesnbapodcast3733]

Also that whole Jokic convo needs to be uploaded as a separate video.

[@XolileNompumelelo-ps9ti]

Marz was cooking on thejokic take

[@Popskillz]

W Cast today. I love how Ox always makes sure he gets his point across uninterrupted. Breath of fresh air today. Keep going guys. W Cast

[@thegreat1885]

Everybody love to use Tatum on/off numbers against him from 2024 regular season until we talk about the years before and the 2024 playoffs. Then all of a sudden they get quiet. They won’t mention how Porzingis played a big part as to why we were finally good when Tatum sat down during the season and how when he was injured during the playoffs, it went right back to how it usually is when Tatum sits. They won’t mention that though but they will talk about his shooting percentages during the playoffs.

[@aboudramanediomande1075]

2:27:32 Thank you Marz for telling the Truth

[@SaKuL_W]

Ball up top old man. W show L narratives L accolades L voters

[@amineiscool1]

Pen in the chat asked if Boston was a good team before JT got there, they were the number one team in the east, with a top 5 mvp player; only reason they were able to get JT is because brooklyn is stupid. As a rational Celtics fan I hate what chill has done to Tatum, he speaks on him so highly that now ppl feel like they gotta degrade him at any mention of they guy, imo Tatum is barely top 10 let alone a true MVP contender. I think chill has to really put his bias aside and watch Jayson Tatum play basketball because he'll notice a lot more flaws then he's putting on right now

[@thegreat1885]

You not a real Celtics fan stop talking

[@amineiscool1]

@@thegreat1885 I've been a Celtics fan when they had Jeff and Gerald Green, a true fan is more critical/objective of their team because we watch them more so we understand their flaws and weaknesses more than others. JT has a lot of flaws in his game, the main one is his shot selection, he doesn't attack mismatches as much as he should and takes a lot of bad threes. A true fan doesn't just glaze and guak their team.

[@MOE__]

W Show L swipa yap session

[@juliovext999]

it's always a L swipavic yap session, that's why him & pen go at it😂 almost same person both yap & bore us (pen more for me )

[@adamjones3491]

Yall really putting that king of the court vid behind a pay wall?

[@Matthew-xl5bc]

The fact that Swipa couldn't admit that DBPM is a flawed tells you how bias he really is. Jokic shouldn't be dominating defensive stats like that.

[@brentcrockton]

Finally y'all talking about Clyde the Glide one of the best Guards ever!!!!!

[@howitzdone8992]

I never cared abt a damn Advanced stats or Accolades 😂 True shooting is the only thing I care about outside of The eye test

[@noahjones3769]

Marz on the low is the most toxic panelist on PC and I kinda respect it

[@MarzTalksSports]

toxic? thats a new one

[@retrey63]

1:47:10 LOOOOOOOL RON IS HILARIOUS BRUH 😂😂😂😂😂 WHY DID HE MAKE THAT POLL 😂😂😂😂

[@l3gendarysage293]

I agree with ox with advanced stats a lot of it is nonsense to me there’s no way you can watch Kobe Bryant and look at some of his advanced stats and think they are accurate to him as a player

[@MarzTalksSports]

advanced stats definitely underrate kobe imo

[@l3gendarysage293]

@@MarzTalksSports it really doesn’t make sense to me

[@nykareem2001]

Or maybe you are overvaluing the things he’s good at

[@l3gendarysage293]

@@nykareem2001 you would have to tell that to every single person both fans and players that played in league and saw Kobe that same thing because the only real thing ppl look to discredit Kobe is advanced stats compared to how he actually was as a player

[@snupedummy]

Giannis winning mvp

[@martinosborne6635]

It's the most valuable player to team's success

[@st0rmboi534]

A lot of Tatums reason for mvp was his team success and how he played that’s the same logic that can be given to Devin booker in the 21 best record in the league in the west while putting up great numbers I don’t understand how Tatum can get his mvp convo but OX saying Devin had a convo for the same reasons is completely disregarded OX said he should have a convo in the mvp that year and both chill and swipa said no immediately then swipa changed it to top 3 over embiid Giannis and jokic which wasn’t OX original statement

[@ThereGoXay]

Really good convos today

[@Noiveikram]

1:14:38 what’s funny is I watched game 2 (first wnba game) and made that same offensive comp, or tried to. It’s crazy how dominant of a post presence she is while also willing to iso from the logo😭💀 at a certain point I was just gave up and realized there wasn’t a comp, she just Breanna Stewart😂

[@BigSalmon13]

20:30 wouldn’t giving someone the mvp because their teammates perform better than someone else’s when both aren’t on the court be closer to a participation trophy than properly looking at context and seeing who’s more valuable? Why is more information seen as a bad thing?

[@nykareem2001]

Chill, Swipa, Ron and Ox are necessary 💪🏿 great show

[@adamup8516]

u forgot pen and marz

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@adamup8516he dont fw me and idk ab pen but he one of my tier 1 haters

[@itszaaaamzeh]

Great episode fellas. Also, Hartenstein getting injured means Chet gon' be starting at the 5 again. Yall know what that means? Chet back to getting BULLIED! Gimme DALLAS at the #1 Seed 😤😤😤

[@MarzTalksSports]

W propaganda

[@sakhilemalinga177]

What is the point of being a mvp level player if the non mvp level player helps his team to more finals and more wins?

[@lilmoody007]

People still confusing most dominant with the better player lol

[@SmootchieWallace-vl7wd]

NO OX YOU CANT JUST USE EYE TEST. Your the same dude who calls luka a grenade launcher and thats all he does and when marz showed the facts on that, LUKA WAS NO WHERE NEAR THE TOO GUYS DOING IT😂. The problem with just eye test is that your gonna talk more negatively about players you dont like about certain things without the facts

[@marcusfrm6263]

The real problem with eye test is that you’re not gonna watch EVERY GAME

[@marcusfrm6263]

Eye test itself isn’t the problem it’s that you don’t watch ALL OF THE GAMES

[@SmootchieWallace-vl7wd]

@marcusfrm6263 that is true but ox watched a small playoff sample when dallas was one of the few teams playing and final 2 teams and was still crying about grenades. It's not just him, plenty of people say something about players based off the general word around them despite what they're seeing. Stats ar every important to show what's happening on the court. They're both important. I'd say 70% eye test and 30% statistical information. But I do agree that the bigger issue is that we often dont watch every game

[@BIGOXMedia]

@@SmootchieWallace-vl7wdI said that about Luka long before the playoffs… AND I STAND ON IT

[@SmootchieWallace-vl7wd]

@BIGOXMedia yeah but it's not nearly as true as you say it is. Other guys and teams do it way more and you dont say they are and the reason why you call luka on it is because you don't like him. Your bias makes you say things that aren't really that true because you don't use the stats and your not watching him enough to make a finite conclusion on that. One of the issues with only using eye test

[@gabb815]

The MVP should go to either the best player on the best team or to a player that had a breakout season Individually and Team wise no one saw coming….

[@yetundeadeyemi2436]

Hell no wtf

[@yetundeadeyemi2436]

Most valuable player is what the MVP is

[@rashonduswashington4025]

Chill saying the twolves will be number one is still baffling considering the changes they had. I think they a play in team. They will miss the playoffs

[@grumsigrumsi3185]

Chill wants Luka to score less, so he won't look as hateful when he will not pick him on a MVP list. "You can do more with less" logic. Chill, seriously?

[@Yuiochung]

The reason y everyone feel uneasy about RUSS’s MVP is because it actually is a “mvp” award by definition 💯 but if I’m not mistaken if that case then LBJ that year 👀🤫

[@mom3ntousjatt]

So Ox you say we need to watch the game with our eyes then you have clear bias towards kings player like bro you cant trust your eyes when you have the bias

[@camrunco]

Love when swipa get to cooking 🔥🔥🔥

[@eazymb.]

Stop bending the knee to the weirdos pretending Joel a better player than Jokic. Y’all engagement farming with that shit.

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@eazymb. who are u talking about?

[@officerricky3230]

So basically Marz is just a contrarian. ALL THESE YEARS YOU AND LOW BEEN SELLING US ABOUT HOW GREAT JOKIC IS AND NOW THAT HE IS GETTING ALL THE CREDIT IS A PROBLEM?!! Let’s say they are changing it for him… YOU SHOULD AGREE WITH IT 😂

[@MarzTalksSports]

If thats what u got from everything i said then u just tryna find a problem where it isnt. I think jokic is as great as ive been saying. but whatever listening is hard

[@officerricky3230]

@@MarzTalksSports but your point was that it’ll be weird if the changes start happening FOR HIM. Why wouldn’t it be him? It should’ve been Bron that changed it.. but hey now we have a great player and they changing it for him. The player just so happens to be someone you say yourself is great🤷🏽‍♂️

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@officerricky3230 its weird that he seems to keep benefitting from the changes. like i said im just observing

[@aherbo18]

@@officerricky3230Jokic is the best player in the world but the gap between him and #2 isn’t even close to what it was for Lebron in his prime. He’s not at that level where you just give it to him every year. There’s been like maybe 3-4 guys in league history that are in that category.

[@officerricky3230]

@@aherbo18 when did I disagree with this ? Lol

[@jonnoibeckford2490]

How is Shai not in the conversation with Luka Giannis and Jokic

[@stoney735]

The man that won gold for America steph

[@sakhilemalinga177]

What do we do with Luka's defense? I mean even Jokic is better

[@PeterBagjuice]

I'm completely blown away about the completely arbitrary and disingenuous valuation given to high assist BIGS in the DBPM formula. I'd been wondering why I kept seeing Jokic's name leading the list, it stuck out like a sore thumb to me. Also them reworking the VORP formula after Westbrook's '17 campaign is some grimy business. Definitely need a lil show segment purely about these advanced stats. People authoritatively throw them about in debates and 95% of us don't understand them.

[@grumsigrumsi3185]

I knew Swipa will crash out 2:40:55

[@masterofthecraft1990]

Joel going to MVP

[@WRLdPeAcE96]

Nah what Westbrook did was the definition of a mvp he was the offense in okc and no offense harden had cp3 another elite playmaker marz be glazing harden way too much

[@MarzTalksSports]

he didnt have cp3 did u even listen? i literally went down the roster

[@yetundeadeyemi2436]

In 2017 harden didnt have cp3 U obv have an agenda

[@savierlittlejohn7657]

53:50 Swipa just hates tatum bro

[@uknowculture6401]

New game take a shot every time Chill shows his Luka bias

[@DameFreshTV]

Chill refusing to say Steph when mentioning players who torched DPOYs is comedy. His hate is hilarious.

[@MarzTalksSports]

i tried bringin him up chill shot it down quick

[@DameFreshTV]

@@MarzTalksSports so fast lmfao.

[@internetguy08]

​@@MarzTalksSportswhen was this in the show. Time stamp?

[@INPERSPECTIVE7]

This Jayson Tatum talk is crazy, Ik he doesn’t deserve to win any mvps but that’s all because of the sacrifices he makes for his team. The fact that he can coexist with 4 other stars while averaging 26, is crazy. No other player in the nba can do that. Not even KD. If any other superstar is on Boston, Boston wouldn’t be as good as they are, because all the other stars would have to sacrifice, for instance if Bron was on Boston jb, dW, jrue and KP numbers all go down because the teams becomes about all about lebron, and everyone would have to work for him and make themselves smaller, only other player that would probably keep the team the same would be jokic, but they would drop defensively. All in all JT shouldn’t be an MVP but this narrative that he’s not top 5 is absurd. The man plays winning basketball and gets killed for it .

[@HighSwalloughcome]

He plays “winning basketball” because he was drafted to a 53 win Conference finals team. & has the best team in the east every year. He’s a good player but he’s not top 5. Giannis Jokic Luka SGA All those guys had to grind through bad teams Tatum has had a silver spoon trust fund career.

[@INPERSPECTIVE7]

@@HighSwalloughcome he didn’t choose where he got drafted. He came in with expectations to be a superstar and he did that. None of those other guys came in with the same pressure as Tatum. It’s very easy to play basketball with no expections. And he slipped right in the Boston team, that is a hard skill most players wouldn’t be able to do that. Co-existing with other stars is very difficult.

[@MarzTalksSports]

Jayson tatum is really good,but implying hes the only player who understands sacrifice is hilarious. Acting as if players box score numbers going down makes them worse is hilarious. jrue averaged like 13 points yet EVERYONE knows how good he is. its not ab his numbers,maybe he averages 11 next to bron but noones gonna say hes worse (besides bron glazers tryna say bron has no help) same with derrick whites 15 or whatever he averages,same with KPs 20 and JBs 22. There box score numbers increasing or decreasing doesnt mean anything,and JT being given credit for their box score numbers is very very weird. and using that to say hes top 5 is one of the weirder reasons ive seen

[@INPERSPECTIVE7]

@@MarzTalksSports I didn’t mean just box scores, I meant there overall game, like jrue, and Derrick have freedom to be themselves and play there game, they can play the point which is is there strength. With a lot of other stars a lot of sacrifices would have to be made not just box scores, also time on the ball, JB wouldn’t be able to be JB along with jrue and dw. KP game is very transferable, but the dynamics would just change based on who’s the leader and best player, when you have an unselfish leader it trickles down to everyone else.

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@INPERSPECTIVE7 Jrue plays as a screener and in the dunkers spot more than ever before,JB is a transition attacker and off ball scorer,Derrick white is an off ball player who runs PnR sometimes. all those guys have changed their role for this boston team,JT still has the ball more than anyone on that team,and runs the offense more than anyone. And i still agree he sacrifices,a whole team sacrifices,bron last year was off ball more than ever since miami probably,letting Dlo and reaves run alot of the offense,he was screening and cutting more. bron 'sacrificed' KD has been an off ball guy his whole career and even runs the offense less than JT. i just think using sacrifice as a point is weird

[@camrunco]

Wait why do you guys continue to try to “predict” who’s gonna win MVP instead of picking who you guys will be worthy of winning it???? Especially if the mvps are all based on narrative and yall wanna talk hoop, ok TALK HOOP, then at the end of the year yall look at the voting and compare notes lol

[@MarzTalksSports]

Cos predictions do better numbers

[@Luciandl1]

Hey Marz YOU BUM respect Westgoat having an all time clutch season in 2017 mention that!

[@MarzTalksSports]

No need to call me a bum,but russ was extremely clutch that year no doubt. that game to secure the Playoffs and his triple double average was absolute cinema

[@Luciandl1]

@@MarzTalksSports you are no longer a bum because you respect WESTGOAT‼️I don’t make the rules

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@Luciandl1 yay

[@leroyflex1258]

All I’m hearing is tatum has to stat pad to get a mvp Also nash got it because they traded their pg mid season and amare was hurt 😂 Nash got it off pure winning record ignoring his teammates were just as good as Boston. Magic won mvp with kareem and worthy being there Bird won 2 more mvps after getting better players. Joker got his by being a hypocrite to Westbrook and harden and giannis. MVP is 90% offense and 10% defense. You also have to stat pad to win mvp Because Luka wouldn’t be Luka on Boston but he would win mvp just avg 27 6 6

[@MarzTalksSports]

1) I dont think anyone said that 2)Sure 3)Suns=boston??? 4)Yes 5)Yes 6)a hypocrite? 7)arbitrary figures but definitely an offense leaning award (which makes sense since a dpoy award exists) 8) You cant say you have to stat pad then say luka would win with lesser stats,that doesnt make sense

[@leroyflex1258]

@@MarzTalksSports it does make sense due to what Luka would “represent” in the city of Boston unlike what Tatum does. Yes y’all bring up Luka and joker do more stat wise that contributes to them “looking better” to the reason why their team wins. Having a better team means you’re not going to need to carry the load. In this new stat driven era mvp. Meanwhile other mvps have won with hof players on their team in their prime even won fmvp over said players. That’s why Luka can be targeted in the finals and the reason why they loss but ppl will still say his team wasn’t good enough. Once he gets a good enough team as long as nobody makes an all nba team he will be in top running for mvp. Same with joker. It’s why giannis got penalized and suddenly never given the award anymore.

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@leroyflex1258 i dont think ive ever used the box scores in their favour over tatum. alot of what ur saying is true mixed in with stupidity

[@dwightwalkins9986]

Shai, y’all tripping bro!!

[@Zz-lp8yr]

Tatum is actually exactly good but not that good and it is okay chill lol

[@The4ceMan]

Everyone who played with Shaq didn’t get a ring. Lebron didn’t and the Celtics didn’t. Nor did penny get one either.

[@AveryB.0]

Chill really has cognitive dissonance when it comes to Tatum. He cant see what is so clear to all of us smh

[@MOE__]

SGA MVP

[@keithshepard2863]

Why would you say 05 Shaq was a top three player this one of the most absurd t takes I ever heard

[@tr3nity801]

Dude just be trying to galaxy brain simple stuff😂

[@retrey63]

Ahh the day has come. Marz is a certified jokic and steph hater 😢

[@MarzTalksSports]

😂😂😂😂

[@retrey63]

​@@MarzTalksSportsyou glaze embiid and Kd now over steph and jokic 😢 how the turn tables

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@retrey63 facts how the turn tables

[@sakhilemalinga177]

This is all because Tatum had a bad scoring playoffs

[@betweendalinesnbapodcast3733]

Marz fuckin cooked with that jokic convo man. I have been saying the same thing about his mvps and the narratives

[@TECTSWRLD]

Time stamp

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@TECTSWRLDit all starts from 2:19:10 onwards

[@grumsigrumsi3185]

What Chill did, deserve an apology to us basketball lovers. F this world if people will act like that.

[@GHermano41]

Marz is finally waking up to the yt Jokic media double standards. Jokic only had 1 memorable game which was the game winner vs GSW.

[@MarzTalksSports]

Im not cosigning that nonsense u just said

[@howitzdone8992]

@@MarzTalksSports😂

[@grumsigrumsi3185]

Swipa just said it: "Even 34/9/9, none of us thinks Luka is the best player in the world!" these mfs are getting paid for anti-Luka agenda. Luka was the best player in the world the moment he entered the league. And now the gap is just bigger, but you can go on with your agenda, it will not age well.

[@MarzTalksSports]

W luka i guess

[@theofficialonce]

I genuinely don't understand how Chill can have these conversations and openly acknowledge the inconsistency, bias and narrative driven basis of these awards, and then in the same breath still care about them. Dawg, just yesterday Pen said that Fox would make all NBA because the MEDIA would vote him in based on CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS. Chill heard him say that, agreed with it and then just went on like it didn't happen? On a daily basis he admits to the clear problems with these awards and shows frustration to how they work, yet he still cares about them and uses them as if they're an accurate representation of basketball. This isn't even me tryna hate, I'm actually confused, is he delusional/being obtuse or is it just illogical obstinance?

[@MarzTalksSports]

cos the players care about them

[@PeterBagjuice]

It's impossible to have one uniform and immutable standard when it comes to assessing a player's value. Having individual awards makes it so that posterity at a glance can at least have a generalized idea of who the standouts were in a given period. There will never be a perfect system, there's just way too many nuances and variables for that to be possible. The alternative is completely getting rid of individual awards and accolades. I think that would be a travesty.

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@PeterBagjuice the casuals need them so i understand their existence,same reason i understand the existence of the box score. still useless to me