Andrew Doyle: Free Speech and Why It Matters

[@RalstonCollegeSavannah]

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[@rosariacrawford6606]

As an older lady, it does my heart good to see that there are so many young, smart, articulate young people that recognize the importance of truth and the evil of woke culture. Speak the truth people, don't let them intimidate you, don't take the easy way out. God bless everyone who's willing to speak out!

[@hayleykiernan6235]

It makes my heart sing to read your voice of reason but still I'm hearing your wisdom and truth God Bless You ❤

[@frankaczmarek3042]

Lately, I am so thirsty for common sense statements that this discussion was like a fountain of life. I was listening with delight over and over. It is almost like it was restoring my own sanity which I was starting to question. Thank you Mr. Andrew Doyle for having the integrity and courage to stand up to nonsense.

[@davidanderson9664]

For a non lawyer Doyle makes a very convincing and articulate legal case. Better than I could and I AM a lawyer! D.A., J.D., NYC

[@robroy6072]

Absolutely. That book shelf is a clue, classic old school editions, not just for show. The real stuff.

[@SJM6791]

I couldn’t agree with you more.

[@kyleferguson5175]

Due to history. For example Scots law abortion was never illegal, for it to be illegal victim would need to be the foetus. That would mean not only producing the foetus but linking it to the woman. Yep we now have DNA but if the victim is the foetus, would have to investigate all foetal deaths, would have to carry out full investigations into all aborted remains found in same way we do for murder. Even if all other crimes were not investigated costs would be astronomical. Otherwise if women is the victim the only crime can be medical malpractice, i.e. back street abortions without proper medical facilities which was illegal under Scots law. Point being Ben Shapiro may wish abortion to be illegal but he is also unwilling to actually fund sanctity of life in any real legal sense. Instead he is focused on ending medically safe abortion in which the victim is women. You do not need to believe in sanctity of life or that abortion is a human right to reach that conclusion. Abortion is only contentious when moralized by either side of that argument.

[@jan8600]

@@kyleferguson5175 vvvvvvvvvvvv

[@proudatheist2042]

It looks like being a BAMF is a better bet to be able to put illogical woke ideologies to sleep!

[@DrQuip]

I always come away feeling I’m an improved human being for having listened to these conversations. Thank YOU

[@GrumpyScamp]

I could listen to Andrew Doyle all day long! I ordered all his books too!

[@lemonmousse9672]

I bought Andrew’s book on Audible & listened in one session. One of the most important books that has come out in recent years. Thank you, Andrew.

[@tolpacourt]

Lemon curry?

[@staninjapan07]

Audible? Audio books? And no money goes to Amazon? I will check that out thanks.

[@Libertariun]

@@staninjapan07 Audible is Bezos

[@staninjapan07]

@@Libertariun Oh. That put an end to that, then, thanks.

[@JohnSmith-wd1oq]

The dude isn't even for actual free speech lol British people are so far left.

[@soniavadnjal7553]

Ralston College deserves more subs. Great conversations.

[@louisehaley5105]

Probably one of the best interviews on Cancel Culture I’ve ever seen ! Like Douglas Murray and Sam Harris, Andrew Doyle explains this issue with such clarity and common sense, that I have difficulty seeing how can anyone misconstrue his remarks.

[@michawill6599]

He's better than those in my view

[@michaelsteven1090]

…not Sam Harris, please..

[@douglasfreeman3229]

@@michaelsteven1090 I suspect you may be one of those who is misconstruing Harris. He is constantly being misunderstood, particularly his thoughts on lying.

[@douglasfreeman3229]

@@michawill6599 Douglas Murray seems a bit slow to me.

[@someone6162]

Thank you Mr Doyle for your work on defending free speech!!

[@shughy1]

Andrew is a national treasure with his comedy genius that makes politics so much more palatable

[@alexanderfirmin9792]

Marvellous man, thank you for taking on this difficult and important argument, for all of our sakes

[@paulamitchell880]

Simply asking for an apology after losing a job, money, etc due to maliciousness from the media is simply not enough. They should be sued into oblivion. Only then will the reigning in happen.

[@lafleurproductions]

This topic gets more relevant every day. The problem is now very urgent. Thank you for making and sharing this video.

[@cynthiajohnson9412]

Half way through the book. Had to finally put in down last night when I realized it was 3AM.

[@staninjapan07]

Sounds like me reading the Song of Ice And Fire (Game Of Thrones) books. He is a very clear speaker on, and clearly cares a lot about, the social issues we have now. I think I ought to get the book.

[@cynthiajohnson9412]

@@staninjapan07This is a subject that I think about often and he had great points, I hadn't considered. And it was an enjoyable read. I'd recommended it. And I learned a little history. Lot's of words that even Kindle didn't have the definitions for.

[@staninjapan07]

@@cynthiajohnson9412 thanks

[@jonathanhamer950]

One of our duties as awake citizens of liberal democracy is to fend off the influence of extremism whether on the far right or left. A major characteristic of radical ideologues is the failure to engage honestly and rigorously with opposing views. Therefore it is no wonder that as the 'radical left' increasingly gains ground in many areas of life that we are seeing this trend towards shutting down our freedom of speech.

[@motheringabomination1958]

Such a great discussion. Let's hope the madness ends soon. Thank you!

[@robroy6072]

It will take a generation, if we are lucky

[@catsaresocute650]

It will most definetly not

[@catsaresocute650]

Sadly

[@Hajde_budalla]

You have to fight it, vigorously. Not just wait fir it to end.

[@jankelly4933]

Brilliant! Well said, Andrew Doyle. I can just send this to people as you are far better at explaining than I am. Thankyou.

[@SJM6791]

I just ordered Andrew’s book. I can’t wait to start reading it!!

[@zeusem6158]

Just what I needed. Thank you

[@hannahgal]

Brilliant. The power of humour is intriguing

[@juliekemp419]

Superb conversation: thank you Andrew and Stephen.

[@AnAlgernon]

I had to adjust my self-conception when the author chided himself for forgetting the name of the regicided king in Hamlet. Brilliant discussion gentlemen.

[@LauraKamienski]

The experiences of having your whole worldview Shattered by new information is painful, but it is also exhilarating. I've had this happen in huge ways two different times and both times were such beginnings of growth.

[@UREMODEL]

Thoroughly impessed! an amazing grasp of reality. I really hope to see more.

[@culturewar]

Andrew is always brilliant and considered. However i am in two minds about the softly softly approach to ignorant people who are using their power to shut down debates against their undemocratic ideologies. Most balanced people i meet just don't seem to see how quickly we are sliding into a very bad place. Personally i think they need shaking out of their slumber.

[@theglanconer6463]

Beautiful and must needed discussion. Thank you !

[@ferdinandbardamu3945]

A British man just got 5 years in prison for owning 3 books (you can still buy on Amazon) and having the wrong political views.

[@icecreamforcrowhurst]

“… someone does not have as full of an understanding of some thing as they might, and perhaps it’s causing them pain or trouble or difficulty because they are in that sense maladapted to the complexities of reality through their only partial understanding.” I resemble that statement.

[@orzellezro]

A tag team of Andrew Doyle and Jordan Peterson in debate with proponents of woke culture would make an interesting programme.

[@flomccanuck8095]

Jordan interviews Andrew in this podcast, It was my intro to Andrew Doyle - just terrific. 'Free Speech and the Satirical Activist | Andrew Doyle | The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - S4: E32':)

[@peterrogers565]

I like what you're doing here Mr Blackwood, greetings from Nova Scotia

[@peterrogers565]

@Sean Blakely all universities start as an idea, eh? What great ideas do you have?

[@peterrogers565]

@Sean Blakely wow, you sure have made a lot of comments on this video! It's really got you animated.

[@peterrogers565]

@Sean Blakely ummm, ok. Well thanks for coming out.

[@thanksfernuthin]

This interview has caused me to buy Andrew's book (You fiends!) I look forward to it and hope it has some of his excellent humor sprinkled in. Not something you'd pick up from this interview but an additional selling point if it is.

[@LauraKamienski]

Think Andrew Doyle should start a KZbin series or a series of articles on critical thinking. Those would be invaluable to have in a collection of shareable post or videos.

[@43nostromo]

"Don't Suspect A Friend, Report Him!"

[@jameslascaliajr.2181]

Nice perspective and take on it...also thanks for the info on Scottish Law and politics.

[@thegreatinterpreter8382]

I'm racking my brain trying to think of a time when the Right moved to censor Leftist speech. I mean, I suppose they did have a stick up their ass about 'decency standards' for a long time. Elvis had to be shot from the shoulders-up to hid is swinging hips; the Doors couldnt say "Girl we couldnt get much higher..." on national television; Larry Flint's magazine was considered too graphic for commercial distribution; and Rap albums with explicit lyrics needed to come with parental advisory warnings. But all these things seemed to be an honest attack against what they thought was an over-exploitation of sex, drugs, and violence-- without some hidden, secondary agenda to sensor political speech. I mean, the Right was not calling all things Left-of-Center, 'violent talk;' or 'drug talk,' or 'sex talk..' only to have a convenient excuse to ban it. A Democrat who wanted higher taxes was not immediately accused of being a drug addicted, porn hustler who should be removed from public discourse. But that's exactly what the Left seems to be doing today. Take a stand against any policy supported by the Left, and it will be a matter of minutes before you're accused of being a racist who needs to be shut up and shut down.

[@PJAlaska]

It’s so sad, especially since Covid, it has become apparent to me that many have lost their utter minds! As a classics student I am constantly reading about the past and then I look around me and feel as if I am on a different planet. It’s so odd….things look similar but so much feels “off.” Living in coastal California, I am close to the epicenter of all this madness. I hope to find work elsewhere, so I can flee to a place that is closer to my heart, my soul…California is so beautiful and has always had such potential. But much of it has been diluted and ruined. It’s a shell of its former self. A nice facade perhaps, but underneath…darkness like death, utter insanity. Thank you Ralston for standing for merit and reason and giving me hope that not everyone has lost their mind

[@SusanneCape]

A question: why do we keep voting in people who seek to threaten our free speech rights and then complain about it without doing much else?

[@mariasinfiltros1478]

very interesting conversation, strong arguments

[@cynthiajohnson9412]

Well said Harvey about the power of speech being worth protecting because it is powerful. Great comment.

[@kittenclawsguitarvideos6147]

One reason why people prefer to work at home,is that people are not comfortable around eachother. Everyone is a bit on edge. It has affected interactions.

[@cynthiajohnson9412]

There is a great scene at the beginning of the movie 'Inherit The Wind' about the teacher who finds himself in court for teaching evolution. Spencer Tracy, who plays the defense attorney is talking to his client about whether he wants to continue the fight and stand behind the truth or go-along to get along. I wish I could find the quote but it was basically about giving up the truth for the security of community and then accepting the emptiness of pretending and living a lie surrounded by people who don't really know you and who aren't really your friends. Cold comfort as they say.

[@alexanderfirmin9792]

Excellent insight, thank you

[@cynthiajohnson9412]

@@alexanderfirmin9792 : I just watched the movie last night. Made in 1960. Every single idea is still applicable today. Great movie. And speaking of 1960, just read John Steinbeck's 'Travels With Charley' written about America in 1960. He grew up in a Republican family in CA. He became a NY Democrat, married an actress and was into the theater scene. But visited his still Republican sisters on his travels through CA in October, pre-election of 1960-Kennedy against Nixon. His sisters called him a commie for supporting Kennedy, he called them Attila the Hun for supporting Nixon. Sound familiar? The more things change the more they stay the same.

[@cynthiajohnson9412]

Apparently history only remembers the election of 1960 for when Nixon tanked his election chances by sweating on television while Kennedy looked cool and polished. So much for the deep moral values of yesteryear.

[@alexanderfirmin9792]

@@cynthiajohnson9412 yes Kennedy wore makeup, Nixon refused to...

[@benbellelogan]

I am completely enjoying this discussion and am hoping you will continue with sharing such wonderful thought provoking topics.

[@lazylaurablue]

One of the brightest minds of his generation. Why am I not surprised he quotes Peterson? He and Douglas Murray should do a book together, they have much common if they were able to work together. I fear their personalities might clash. I adore them both though!

[@mrdiavel4807]

The tragedy of this conversation is that it is of the same ilk as those that intellectuals held in early 1930’s Germany and we know what happened to them and ensued thereafter . To those that advocate cancel culture albeit you may not recognize it as such , “caveat Emptor”

[@BluegrassGal101]

i used to get excited when i saw that a book i had truly enjoyed had been turned into a movie. Then i watched Master & Commander - The Far Side of the World, The Good German, and Motherless Brooklyn. My enthusiasms have been curbed.

[@lenwilkinson672]

Thank you Andrew a great talk.we need a government with a lot of men of your ilk.

[@TheKategolden]

excellent talk given by Mr. Doyle

[@gerhard7323]

Often attributed to Voltaire but the famous quote, 'I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It' should be as true today as it's always been in any country which considers itself to be a functioning democracy.

[@stacypastry2440]

Recruiting through the medium of pug dogs 🤣

[@marionreynolds7080]

Thank you Stephen I’m about to buy the book.

[@joegilligan4895]

Thanks Andrew for pointing out the utter evil which is coming down south to England and Wales. And Northern Ireland. Keep the Faith Andrew.

[@cangeljan12]

Thank you for this very informative stream I will be ordering Andrews book today...I'm all for Free speech , it's criminal what's happing today & It's getting very bad over here in Ireland , I will keep marching on for our rights till we are HEARD ?? Peace to all

[@chelseapoet3664]

In Stephen Blackwood's Wikipedia entry it is stated under the section on Ralston College: "Among the members of its Board of Visitors is.... Roger Scruton". That's quite some metaphysical ability Sir Roger is demonstrating!

[@treesart6914]

I agree with Andrew Doyle. I just want to point out something tangential: you can say the most misogynistic crap to women and it would not be a hate crime. This shows where the priorities lie.

[@lowandodor1150]

I adore this man beyond what i am capable of expressing in words. I really don't think it is overstated, to place him among the most important voices of our time. Is it? Now picture the situation of him with a few "friends", discussing certain topics and after a short while, one of his "friends" calls him a nazi, because he said something that person did not understand or just had a different opinion....you really have to be somewhat dim, to call this man, a FRIEND of yours, a nazi! Unbelievable just how blinded and stuck some/a lot of people are.....

[@yendayo]

"I need to check your thinking" reminds me of Alan Turing, except that the situation is reversed.

[@jimpickard3850]

Very impressive man is Mr Doyle.

[@LauraKamienski]

I was an academic philosopher part and full-time for about two decades. As an undergraduate our philosophy Club used to make a button every year one year it just said why? The year I was able to submit what the button would be, I made it prove me wrong! Please!

[@denisHolySpirit]

The title should be 'Free Speech and why it mattered.'

[@tom5216]

Whenever someone decrees that you cannot say something it is likely because your argument is better than theirs.

[@TXYeskaDAR]

We need to teach virtues again. Woke is really about Vice behavior

[@cynthiajohnson9412]

I just finished reading John Steinbeck's 'Travels With Charley' about his sojourn around the America in 1960. He forces himself at the end of his trip to go down to New Orleans where they were going through a nasty, horrible segregation battle. He wanted to see it for himself. As he's heading back North he picks up a hitchhiker who turns out to be a really deplorable racist. Steinbeck admits that he just couldn't help but bait the guy. So the racist starts ranting about the how he would never send his kids to a segregated school and that he would fight a holy war to the death to stop it from happening. So Steinbeck asks the guy, do you have kids? And the guy says no. So Steinbeck says, so were you planning on fighting this holy war to the death before or after you have kids? And the guy kind of figures out he's being mocked and he starts to rant. So Steinbeck pulls his truck over to the side of the road and says, 'get out!'. And the guy's like 'what? we're not there yet.' And Steinbeck repeats, 'Get out!'. And then he peels out leaving the guy on the side of the road screaming racist epitaphs after Steinbeck as he drives away. And then Steinbeck went home, wrote a book and won a Nobel Prize in Literature, and that's free speech in America.

[@ajb7786]

What? This hardly illustrates free speech and just reveals that you really want to idolize Steinbeck.

[@cynthiajohnson9412]

@@ajb7786 :You missed the point because you wanted to miss the point. Sorry, I wish there was something I could do to help you understand, but alas, I don't waste my time on the willfully ignorant.

[@marcopolo9146]

@@cynthiajohnson9412 no, your response just indicates that you are too weak-minded to engage in a conversation.

[@cynthiajohnson9412]

@@marcopolo9146 Yeah, and who the freak are you, the voice of God? No doubt you think so.

[@sambucca1817]

@@cynthiajohnson9412 Thank you. Sounds like a good read. I’ve put it on my to read list.

[@TonyLing]

Give that man an honoury professorship

[@stevemann6528]

It boggles the mind you've got people using their free speech to take away other people's free speech for future generations, including theirs. Leaving a Government you can't criticise without reprisals. 😒🙄

[@orlamcmanus9019]

Great interviewer, great discussion

[@artemouse2007]

oooooooo! neeeewww!! good job again :)

[@Hands2HealNow]

Censuring the free speech of real scientists on the issues of Ivernectin prophylaxis or dangers and denile of the facts that "Experimental Genetic Devises" would NOT have any promotion if Ivermectin was promoted and thus patent profits would not be a factor.

[@markoh10]

I watched live, appreciated greatly, thank-you, bonus was getting onto Clubhouse for the after-discussion. Keen to get transcript to find Andrew's comment about the world being a much better place if students left school knowing that ad hominem arguments are bad or non-arguments, or similar. Transcript option seems to be turned off (should be under Report under the ... further menu)

[@Schudulaba]

Interviewer looks like a David Baddiel/Louis Theroux hybrid.

[@plekkchand]

Some of the strategies remind me of the sibling "telling" his or her parents rather than engaging. The government as parent.

[@franklinnash]

49:28 What's a 'crabs in a bucket' situation?

[@70galaxie]

where's the 1million like button??

[@S_Edward_Burns_ArtsEditor]

Carry on!

[@richardsmith9038]

Andrew Doyle is what Guardian readers think Owen Jones is, but isn't.

[@Bobber256]

Owen Jones is a fair-minded and thoughtful chap. You can like both. I also enjoy the Gudge, much as its browsership leans numpty.

[@tolpacourt]

Owen Jones might not qualify as a midwit.

[@JohnSmith-wd1oq]

Thats not a compliment no matter how you swing it.

[@louisehaley5105]

1:40 - when it comes to the Arts, as long as it doesn’t involve ACTUAL cruelty inflicted on a real human (or nonhuman), we shouldn’t have an issue . The only exception being, if what is depicted could incite violence against others. But that too should be up for debate.

[@thanksfernuthin]

I think the aggressive reaction to people that argue for hate speech laws and against free speech is understandable. Those of us that cherish free speech are confused, frankly. We thought it was an obvious good. Self evident. It is literally like being forced to argue why assault is bad, murder is bad and slavery is bad. It's that fundamental. So, I think one would need to feel some empathy for those angry about our current situation... which I think you do.

[@ryanli5803]

Just as slave owners would advocate for slavery, these people advocate for hate speech laws because they decide what hate speech is. They just want power and control.

[@markkelly2169]

He could be talking about the EU commission and this why the UK left. All this stems from Christianity and the clash with LGBTQ. It's the act of it and not the person doing it that offends.

[@alisteredmond2329]

The rot set in with blasphemy laws and also the"out lawing" holocaust denial etc.

[@catsaresocute650]

In a way it's it was less it wasn't something even I was upset about but I guess that it startes with the most disliked speach first

[@JordanEndTimeServantOfYah144]

I've had my Instagram deleted in 2018 for posting anti-communism stuff. It is SO troubling how 1984 ish / Brave New World we have gotten. It's actually terrifying.

[@louisehaley5105]

1:32 : The parallels with talking to people about Religion is really scary.

[@basscataz]

How many people have been watching this slowly approaching nightmare for decades? I wish that saying "told you so" to everyone who dismissed this bullshit as nothing to worry about would give me pleasure, but it wouldn't. And I won't. I'm disgusted by our leaders.

[@catsaresocute650]

I hope I will not find myself in your position

[@SJM6791]

I instinctively knew we were in trouble when Obama won the Presidency in 2008. He hasn’t proven me wrong!!

[@proudatheist2042]

I would love to hear how you have seen this all coming to fruition over the last few decades.

[@missygoldstein12]

its truly staggering. There was a time when people who didn't agree would simply have a conversation, discussion or debate. Now the moment you disagree with anything I say I need to destroy you and I'm going to find a gang mob who will help me do it.

[@debramoore1428]

I question, sincerly, the mental health of these aggrieved parties and their enablers who codify the absurdity.

[@JohnSmith-wd1oq]

Id argue Andrew is one of those enablers personally. His position is one of the far left in America like 10 years ago. It always starts with censoring hate speech.

[@vatsmith8759]

The second greatest Englishman once said "I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible that you may be mistaken".

[@dramastudiocheshire7931]

A publisher will hire a "sensitivity reader?" The moral message is better than the art?

[@douglasfreeman3229]

Goodness, Andrew suddenly looks about twenty years old in this video. How the funk does he do it?

[@Cotictimmy]

If the interviewer had written this book (instead of Andrew Doyle), would it have had twice as many words?

[@lennymclean.]

I think this freedom of speech issue and the issue of platforms-turned-publishers curating content is what Elon Musk is aiming to combat by gaining more control of Twitter. This platform is highly curated and as such has a fairly egregious agenda...

[@JayJay-wg5ex]

I feel and am concerned that we are becoming so stupid as a society because we can't speak truthfully for fear of hurting someone etc.etc. it makes for a sad reality. Is there anywhere in the world where people tolerate difference by anymore???

[@weechid9784]

The women of the Alba party in Scotland are standing up against this. they are the only party in Scotland that are standing up for women's rights.

[@margaretmaeda2548]

I have been living outside of the west for decades and I’m baffled at how there seems to be an obsession, at least in the UK and the US, with the Second World War which is quite recent. I don’t remember such an obsession when I was growing up in the UK in the fifties and sixties. I assume that many or most of the people who feel so offended by incidents like the one with the pug have no personal connection with the history - anyone with meaningful memories would have to be in their eighties. The only case where I could understand a strong reaction in people born after 1945 to Second World War symbolism is in descendants of victims of the holocaust. My parents were directly involved in the Second World War and one more distant relative spent the war in a concentration camp, but having been born a few years after the war, I don’t consider myself personally connected to that history, and it makes it hard for me to understand self-righteous reactions to Second World War symbols among people who are mostly much younger than me.

[@Kurtlane]

Just yesterday I was called "Satan spawn." And probably will be again today. I might disagree somewhat with Andrew Doyle, but to me there is something seriously wrong when some people get offended for being called "he" or "she," and they voice this offence very loudly and the offending party is punished, sometimes beyond all proportions. At the same time I am called "Satan spawn," and that is justified by quoting John 8:44. And there is noting I can do. Nobody is interested. Something is very wrong in this juxtaposition. Isn't it?

[@cynthiajohnson9412]

Just to give people a little historic perspective on offensiveness, I was born in 1961. I have 4 sisters and no brothers. Do you know how many times strangers said to me after inquiring about my family make up, 'I guess your parents were hoping for a boy'. Hundreds of times. Hundreds! All you people who want to lecture about white privilege have no freakin idea what is like to be told over and over by the wider society that you weren't wanted by your parents and are an obvious disappointment, without knowing a single other thing about you. Sexist? You beat your ass it was sexist. And you know what the worst part is, they were right. My parents were trying for a boy and did let us know every day how disappointed they were. How's that for triggeringly offensive. Did all those people, mostly men, know they were hurting my feelings when they said what they said? Of course they did. From their perspective they were just telling the truth. And at the same time, it's just a fact of life. People are by and large ignorant and offensive. Get over it! I'd forgotten all about this until this morning, at least consciously, until all this stuff about free speech and offensiveness came up. Eventually, after probably the 50th time you hear the same thing, you get over it. You think wow what an ignorant a-hole and you move on. Do I have psychological scars, absolutely. But I guarantee there isn't a single person alive today who hasn't been sent some damagingly offensive message by the society at large at least at some point in their lives. It's the nature of human existence.

[@alexanderfirmin9792]

I'm sorry to read that and I really appreciate that you have shared that experience, thank you. I would hypothesise that this experience has helped you to develop high levels of resilience, and a tough outer skin that has been helpful in life's knocks and blows

[@cynthiajohnson9412]

@@alexanderfirmin9792 : My point is there's absolutely no reason to go looking for offense. The world will more than accommodate, no effort required. And if it isn't one thing, it's another. My lived experience in with narcissism. And if there is one thing that's universal about narcissists, it's that they can and will zero in, like a smart bomb, on your insecurity and exploit it till the cows come home. And the most dangerous narcs will do it covertly, you'll never pin a thing on them. It's the innocent, well-meaning people who accidentally step in it who are left being cancelled. Meanwhile just 5 short years ago the 'woke' party full throatedly supported a person who literally campaigned for a segregationist in her youth, and was never held to account. Short of supporting lynching, I don't think you could be more racist than that. But hey it was her turn, what can you say.

[@cynthiajohnson9412]

Yeah, the same woman who called 1/4 of the U.S. voting population deplorable, and another 1/4 were left deplorable by association (she never specified which half was which). I'm no Trump supporter, or even republican adjacent, but you'd be hard pressed to do worse by way of offensiveness than to bitterly and irrevocably condemn 1/2 the U.S. voting population with a single shot.

[@tolpacourt]

The world is full of assholes. This is unlikely to be changed by any legislation or social movement. We need to be focused on removing people who commit violent crimes from our midst. That's the best we can do. The rest doesn't matter all that much.

[@cynthiajohnson9412]

@@tolpacourt : To really execute honest justice we have to have heads clear of emotion, sharp critical thinking skills, and above all the purest motives. We don't seem to be moving in that direction.

[@peterpeterking1]

Being offensive is/isnt a crime? Make your mind up. I got a couple mins in, cant be arsed

[@emmamilsomfranks1253]

Shouldn't there significantly less opinion and more questioning? What would Socrates say?

[@tolpacourt]

Doyle is not a supporter of Trump. Trump is a supporter of Doyle.

[@tolpacourt]

And Trump is right to support Doyle.

[@SusanneCape]

And who cares. Not everything derogative that was put out by the media about Trump was true. How we have sunk to a new low. The irony is that free speech is now a right wing attribute. Just bizarre!

[@drwhatson]

Nor should a person be condemned as a "hateful person" on the basis of one tweet, however appalling it may seem. People get angry. They get drunk. They write stupid things on the spur of the moment. I try not to.

[@JohnSmith-wd1oq]

Guess what its not a crime to be hateful stop being so effete and cowardly free speech extends to people saying racist things as well whether they have a bad day or not.

[@loud6037]

But it IS a crime to be hateful in Britain on the basis of characteristics such as race. Not one that you would necessarily go to prison for, unless your hatred extends to harassment and or physical abuse. But it is a crime.

[@ogreunderbridge5204]

Revelation; I call myself a racist. Mostly to piss off the flakes

[@mariussielcken]

Fining that nazi pug owner has actually made me love Jews!