Andrew Gosden: The Boy Who Took A Random Train... And Never Came Home

This months video as requested by Jodie Gills is about the strange disappearance of teenager Andrew Gosden in England in 2007.
This is an in depth look at all the circumstances surrounding his disappearance and what might have caused Andrew Gosden to simply vanish without a trace at a moments notice.
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[@stesilaus1688]

There must have been a moment when he realized: "I've made a terrible mistake." I hate to think how awful that moment might have been.

[@dollface6104]

the panic-

[@SIOSVB]

depends from all the things he did and i could see he planned everything so idk

[@daisychain3007]

And the longer he takes to reconnect with his family, the harder it will be for them to forgive him, but there must have been something wrong in his life to make him disappear in the first place.

[@ThePdog3k]

@@daisychain3007 Harder to forgive him? You don't have children, do you?

[@daisychain3007]

@@ThePdog3k No, I do not, thank goodness, but if a child ran away from home or calculatedly organised his disappearance, especially if he stayed away for several years, his parents would naturally get worried, hurt and angry. They would feel that he disappeared because of unresolved issues with them and because he is angry with them. Therefore, they would find it difficult to forgive him and the longer he stays away, the more they worry and the angrier they become.

[@joshthebosch1214]

It’s really quite strange to see a KZbin mystery video about an old classmate. Smartest kid I ever met. His mum’s quite an eccentric character too - lovely woman. My mum worked with her for over a decade

[@meggriffin94]

any idea what could have happened to him?

[@joshthebosch1214]

@@meggriffin94 my theory was grooming and kidnapping to be honest, sad as it sounds. He’s either dead or still captive. Having met his parents a few times and been to a birthday party of his I could see no reason for him to willingly disappear forever

[@cntrivergel1992]

Something happened at that university that he went to. I feel that the cops should have really looked into the university trip a lot more. I honestly hope he's okay if he's still alive.

[@vonnnov]

@@joshthebosch1214 idk, captive at 27ish??, not saying it hasnt happened before but damn that sucks. :( i thought the same thing tho, either ded or captive, either way sad af

[@amandanegrete1306]

I always wondered why I don’t see more friends of missing teens/adults online. If someone I knew went missing years ago I would check online/social media all the time. It’s good to see a friend of Andrew’s is still keeping up with him. I’ve never heard anyone speak of him but his immediate family. I feel terrible for Andrew’s loved ones and hope you all get answers soon.

[@biglummox9862]

This kills me... Andrew lived 200 yards from me. Went to school with my son, McAuley Catholic school. His parents still put up posters... Heartbreaking.

[@subsubsciber3657]

Really hoping the recent Police arrests can help bring some closure for his family. Or at least spur members of the public or those involved to provide a case breakthrough. Heartbreaking indeed.

[@ミゲルアヤラ]

If he was alive, he would be around 28 years old, sadly the parents don´t have a picture of him anymore

[@jerseygonzalez4792]

please watch your son

[@nikkinanette8807]

💔💔💔💔

[@Mike--Oxmall]

They made 2 arrests about this last month, I havent heard anything since.

[@kattriella1331]

The idea that he probably, for the first time in his life, decided to do something "bad", to rebel, just a LITTLE, and ended up being kidnapped or murdered is so sad to me . . . He'd been a good kid his entire life, excelled in school, was overall a stereotypical good kid, and the first time he decided to engage in a little teenage rebellion, where he thought he had planned everything out and would be back within a couple days, something horrible happened to him . . . It's just sad.

[@SuperSecretSunshine]

Something about this thought really strikes deep with me, like it just puts the unfairness of good/bad circumstances happening to good/bad people in such clear light, it's saddening.

[@random.explosion]

ngl boss that is extremely fucking depressing indeed, damn rip

[@user-zt4qr7mz4f]

one thing is rebelling, other thing is doing something dangerous that might cost him his life.. going to another city without anyone knowing and lying about it is not a little thing, it's something far more dangerous

[@readytodietoday127]

​@@user-zt4qr7mz4fHe was just a kid, clearly doesn't know what is or isn't dangerous, and I doubt his parents thought something like this would happen, so they didn't warn him. Stop blaming the victim, the people who should be decent and not do anything bad to lost little boys, blame the person who hurt him.

[@kristat8176]

​​@@readytodietoday127they are just pointing out it's a little too much to call it a teenage rebellion, not victim blaming ... Being sympathetic for the victim is understandable but that doesn't mean we shouldn't point out the wrong doings of the victim even tho his age justifies it and we r outsider anyway , we shouldn't go deep into such stuff

[@DrunkTerminator]

Its so maddening that the school called the wrong parents. Andrew's family could have known he was running away before he even got on the train to London if the school hadn't committed this MAJOR error. Unacceptable.

[@song-one1910]

But there was no need to call them at all. I mean, he could have been sick, stuck in the public transport and a couple of other issues. As he was a guy that always was on time.

[@emmarisby]

@@song-one1910 Its what you have to do in UK. Normally schools are incredibly late. They either phone the parents because it's super weird for your child to not show up, OR it happens a lot and the parents need to know for punishment etc. I think it's good they do it. Normally your parent just phones you and gets where you are or tells the school to mark you absent.

[@sierotkamarysia4199]

@@song-one1910 Which... are exactly reasons why they should have called them. If he was sick in home then the patent would say that and noone would worry. But that wasn't the case.

[@penpurin]

@@song-one1910 its pretty much what schools do in the uk, if you dont show up to registration you get a call home, even if its only been like 10 minutes after school starts and the child may just be late

[@song-one1910]

I understand, Thanks guys. Whatever, hopefully this fella is alive.

[@antoniasinfield1762]

Despite his intelligence, I find it very hard to believe a 14 year could successfully reinvent a whole new identity and evade his family and the police to that extent. This poor boy trusted a very dangerous person and tragically, I don't think he'll be found again. Watch your children like a hawk.

[@carolewilson1311]

been done before

[@kyz.8373]

2 men have been arrested

[@carolewilson1311]

when

[@iki12737]

what is intelligent? Just bec he was good in math and hat is logic intelligence doesn't mean he also had social intelligence for example

[@antoniasinfield1762]

@@iki12737 That is pretty much what I already implied.

[@1martuska]

The fact that Andrew bought a one way ticket to London is a red flag for me . I believe he met up with someone he trusted and that one mistake sealed his fate .

[@sugargliderdude]

nothing was found on his computer or xbox, he never owned a phone.

[@ANDCFC95]

@@sugargliderdudetheory is the person gave him a phone to keep secret and he may have used an internet cafe which were common place in ‘07

[@Abstractor21]

​​@@ANDCFC95till doesn't have sense. Why he never talked about this with his parents? Hey mom I'm going out with "x" is that ok? He was a smart kid I know he knew that whatever he was doing was not something their parents would allow him to do. He didn't have friends per se. And he coudnt communicate by phone because he hadn't one. I really don't know what to think of this. 1) he had online friends on his Xbox 360. Maybe that would have something to do with it 2) maybe a family member kidnapped him 3) the fact that he didn't want a phone could mean that he was being called by his future kidnapper. Maybe he answered one time, he got scared and stop answering even tho he received calls every day until the phone broke and it was a relief to him. Maybe the kidnapper contracted with him somehow and made him to do this. I still don't think this is true because he was very smart. it seems like he knew what he was doing but somehow thing didn't turn out good. He loved metal maybe he wanted to go to those concerts and was afraid their parents wouldn't allow him to go. So he scaped but forgot that he is just a kid and can't defend himself against adults.

[@BVking509]

He met someone at the university, they groomed and misled him, then raped him and killed him

[@blahblahblah4993]

I think he was with this person on the walks home from school, and that the person offered him a lift home when they arranged this meet up

[@vladyslavanufriiev1224]

one thing I learned from such type of videos: if your child has a steady routine and suddenly changes it, don't downplay it, something is about to happen

[@heatherwilliams6558]

Some kids never tell you all most kids in fact depending on age

[@MsLinz1975]

As a parent I just know when something is off.

[@eforoyal]

I heard that sudden change of routines are a sign of being suicidal. People who plan to kill themselves tend to be more reckless and happy in the last days of their live.

[@cheesecakelasagna]

@@eforoyal can confirm.

[@jackmatthew1880]

A sudden change in routine? Isn't that puberty?

[@rovamp]

As a grooming victim my theory is that at the camp he met someone who began to groom him, this would explain all the change of attitude and sudden changes. This matches up with most victims and I think he planned to meet up with them

[@StudioMod]

I agree. Came to the same conclusion.

[@dibrentley7915]

yes thats the conclusion I came to as well... if other bright kids have gone missing, it would be interesting to see if lancaster uni was the link.

[@solidrockofjesuschristmini2423]

That's what I was thinking, just wondering how and where

[@SellamAbraham]

I haven't even watched this video and that is the obvious answer.

[@waynejarrell1]

Agreed

[@lillipopswitch]

He’s from my home town. There’s an appeal every year at Christmas for information. I feel for his parents and family, can’t imagine what they go through daily.

[@KarolinaKotusOfficial]

I couldn’t imagine what that would be like… his poor parents… 💔 they’ll never get to see him again, never know what he would grow up to be like…

[@daisychain3007]

@@dgmmgd8506He may not be. Do not write such things because his parents and other relatives might have watched this video.

[@dgmmgd8506]

@@daisychain3007 it’s highly likely he is dead though. His parents already know this

[@dgmmgd8506]

@@squirrel8161 I’m not stating I know he’s dead. I’m saying he is more than likely dead. Plus that BS logic is pathetic, grow up

[@keatonwastaken]

@@dgmmgd8506 saying grow up comes off as ironic when you are acting edgy under comments of a youtube video lol

[@lynnzino3284]

As a 13yo girl in 1973 I had an argument with my parents. Walked to the main road and hitchhiked was picked up by a man in his 40s he had a brand new car and was dressed in a suit and tie... seemed OK. Said he had to pull over to get his wallet which had fallen under the car seat. Next I knew I was in the fight for my life. Thank God I was a fast runner. I think about this sometimes and realize how lucky and fortunate I was.

[@megcampbell7213]

glad ur still here and safe ~

[@ellehan3003]

My friend and I missed the coach after a concert when we went to Malta. We had to wait outside in the dark for my friends parents to arrive. They were not happy because it had all been carefully arranged and we were now alone. There was a middle aged man who kept hanging around watching us, so we decided to go nearer to the road to a bench so we were more visible. He didn't seem like he was gonna leave us though and asked us to come with him in his car and that his hotel was just down the road. I had already told him in a very firm way that my friends parents are on the way so it was obviously weird that he asked us to go with him. I think my behaviour finally made him relent and he left because I was not friendly to him. I could not be convinced. My friend was terrified so I had to do all the talking. I am 100% convinced he meant us harm. Oh and he was very insistent and was trying to convince us for what felt like a long time. His smile and behaviour was forced.

[@SeeMeRolling]

Bless you and stay safe everyone❤

[@JwanDeFleur]

I’m 13 (gonna be 14 soon) and I just wanted to say thank God there are lots of ppl talking about this because now I know what’s wrong and what’s right

[@resurrectionkratos]

💔

[@TheFoxFromSplashMountain]

I can't imagine the terror of having your child disappear and never finding out what happened to them. My thoughts and prayers are with the family.

[@90_fashionkidd]

They neeed to checkk all camera’s in londen And near the cross station it may be that he got into someone's car… but i think they cant get the cameras from 2007

[@S0GEDKlNG]

I feel like thats one good thing we could possibly get out of AI - better tracking from public cameras @@90_fashionkidd

[@Lori-lp6uc]

I'm annoyed with today's school administration. It shouldn't take half a day to notify a parent if a child is absent. Every class does a "roll call." If a student is an unexused absentee, it should show up in the system IMMEDIATELY and a parent needs to be notified. Each and every teacher should be reporting absent students throughout the day since a student could easily walk away from school at any time. Too much lax and assumption cause oversight.

[@Martial-Mat]

Agreed. Absolutely soul destroying. How would you ever stop coming up with worst case scenarios?

[@Farlig69]

Worst ever....

[@yvonnemccullaghward361]

At sixteen myself and my cousin wanted to visit my boyfriend and his brother in London. We lived in Ireland. We had a lift set up and our parents agreed. However our lift got cancelled at last minute. We decided not to tell our parents and go anyway. We got overnight ferry and then started to hitchhike to London. We finally ended up in a cafe and it was already getting dark. Fortunately we got talking to a lorry driver who was horrified at our plan.He could give us a lift part of the way but said that we could be at huge risk and could be picked up by anyone. He had what we thought was a walk-in talkie and set up lifts with lorry drivers right to London. By time we arrived we were sleeping in the cab. It was late. The driver left us sleeping when at his own home. We had no clue we where we were. He said he would take us to the flat we were staying in his own car. We were young,naive,trusting and had no clue how else to get to our destination. That man delivered us safely. Think how easily it could have been a different story. This is one of several situations I was in as a young teenager when the outcome could have been horrific. I shudder now at the risks I took as a rebellious and foolhardy and naive youth. I am grateful to that initial lorry driver who ensured our safe journey. He could so easily been otherwise. He knew we were easy prey. And we never ever told our parents!! So easy to take a risk to trust the wrong person

[@tapsars7911]

The lorry driver and his network of friends were nothing short of guardian angels if you ask me . Long distance lorry drivers have been known to be one of the worst type of predators known to the police . God keep your particular driver friend and his buddies in his grace .

[@yourdashingheroidol7909]

Seriously cool to hear stories that affirm a real man's instincts and behavior. All men aren't monsters. There are far more men that would die to protect a woman than would victimize one or we wouldn't exist as a species. I hope I don't sound mysogonist,I really am not! I just know that basically every man has women they admire and love fiercely. Wives, Mothers, sisters. There are definitely creeps and predators and men just seem somehow not as capable as like the WW2 era. I don't think the women are as capable now as then either though. For all the talk now of how strong women are....those women literally kept our Nation running while the men fought evil incarnate in Hitler. That era had some hard men and woman, it's just that it wasn't celebrated in women then. So....this has been " Rambling Rick". Appreciate story and glad that we didn't have to watch your story! Much rather you keep adding chapters! 👍

[@ewanduffy]

@@tapsars7911 Didn't Jeremy Clarkson get into trouble over lorry driver remarks.

[@Puzzledtraveller]

That's messed up, but no doubt my dumb teenage self would have done the same. That's why it's likely he met the wrong person deliberately, meeting up with someone he met at that school or crossed paths with the wrong person.

[@The.Artistic.Squirrel]

Wow damn you were lucky!

[@arnoldhey6515]

I routinely google this kid at random points of my life. Apart of me hopes for the day that he's found... I really hope in my lifetime, I live long enough to see this kid's case get solved.

[@temuge4368]

Same. I took a kinda big break from this case but came back to it. Man even if he's dead or alive, I hope he is found and I really don't want the grooming theory to be true but a big part of me believes that.

[@allseeingirene]

Google the kid again..there's been a break. Two suspects were found and arrested. The implication by the police is that the suspects are human traffickers who wanted to f a kid. Basically pedophile groomers.

[@burningsexuality1540]

@@coolchannelyt That is like, the worst advice ever. Reddit detectives are very rarely helpful, and oftentimes harmful.

[@sarads7877]

I personally belive that 13:01 could very well be him… Like same nickname, same “leaving house at 14” story, plus him having a boyfriend, which is something his parents suspected… idk i have feeling that could be him, but if that’s the case i wonder why he isn’t contacting his parents

[@CallMeBeautifulRacoon]

Two men were arrested in December, have you seen?

[@yiuqwfj]

The actions of this kid sure were strange, but the strangest thing yet to me is the fact that it's possible that someone could disappear in a city like London without a trace. That fact in itself is scary af.

[@user-eg5kt9fy2j]

It took officers working on the case a shocking 27 days to retrieve footage of Andrew's last known movements at King's Cross Station. And they didn’t get any surrounding areas cctv footage when the family requested it, it had all been wiped

[@ctrlaltcreate3827]

@@user-eg5kt9fy2j that’s insane

[@puppiesarepower3682]

Aliens

[@MrFifadon1]

@@puppiesarepower3682 negligence

[@potato1084]

@@MMDDisciple But we have more cameras than anywhere in the world so it’s really weird

[@greg6924]

It's aggravating that in a country with so many CCTVs everywhere, theres such little video surveillance of the young lad.

[@ctrldelete1763]

Why is that?

[@punklover99]

​@@ctrldelete1763because it's crazy that a place so monitored has nothing

[@lukeborne3253]

@@ctrldelete1763I’ve noticed when major events happen not a single bit of recording of said event

[@CPE1704TK5]

Just goes to prove that none of it is for society’s benefit

[@Kodlaken]

@@ctrldelete1763 It might sound silly but you must consider some very important points. First is how much footage they'd have to sift through. The local police force had the British Transport Police search through footage from within two days of his disappearance. That's at a minimum hundreds of hours of footage to sift through, and you can't just speed through it or you'd almost certainly miss him. You'd have to watch practically every second with full attention to try to spot him out of a crowd in what is likely to be far from optimal video conditions. And this is just within two days of his disappearance. If you expand the scope then you'd easily be looking at thousands of hours of footage when you account for every possible camera they'd have to check. It's entirely possible that he was recorded more recently than was found, in fact I'd say it's basically guaranteed, but the person who was watching through that footage could just simply been unable to identify him. Second is the fact that footage is routinely wiped or recorded over due to storage limitations and it's possible there would be no footage to review from the time of his disappearance. It's worth keeping in mind that the first successful identification of Gosden was weeks after his disappearance.

[@lobeliaowl2482]

What I particularly enjoy about this video is that he isn't trying to sensationalize the topic of hand, but rather give an overview on the situation in general. It lacks the "spooky" music, exaggerated vocabulary and disrespectful attitude other content creators sometimes utilize when discussing occurrences of this kind. It seems that he truly wishes to inform people about this disappearance, rather than simply monetize it.

[@PeakedInterest]

It would be a lie to say I don't want to monetize it, I do. But my goal is always to try and tell an informative story as accurately as possible while keeping it engaging so people will keep watching. It's a hard balance to strike but I try to always remember these are real people and they really suffered.

[@lobeliaowl2482]

@@PeakedInterest I think you always manage to keep this balance really well, I really enjoy your content! ^^

[@promotingwrld6146]

Glad you understand

[@quinnmingo]

@@PeakedInterest it’s fully understandable to want to monetize your videos, i mean, we all need to make an income somehow. but you still manage to retain a ton of integrity and it is clear you see this as more than a cash grab or a ~spooky story~ to profit off of, which is very admirable :)

[@za4ria]

@rambunctiousvegetable one example would be Kitchen Nightmares UK vs US

[@SadBoy-mg9ze]

He would be 28 today. Wherever you are, Andrew, whether you’re dead or alive, I’m so sorry this happened to you. Someone out there knows what happened to you, it’s just a matter of time before justice is served.

[@Mike--Oxmall]

They made 2 arrests about this last month, I havent heard anything since.

[@JamesParker1998]

@@Mike--Oxmall From what I heard they were released.

[@tula1433]

Thank u

[@medexamtoolscom]

Nope. Real life is not a Hallmark movie. There is no karma, it is often the case that bad things happen to good people, and bad people live long, happy lives.

[@themoonispurple8163]

No justice , prison ain't justice . They'll get out and do it again. We sure need the hangman in town ..

[@Mickyboi1]

He was 100% groomed by someone either on Xbox or at that camp. The police should explore that line of enquiry to the fullest

[@anunknownperson4018]

My Theory (few knowledge of the case): Someone from the uni. promised him to take him to a concert (prob. slipknot bc of the shirt). He was 14 yo less likely to run away from home (unless if he was abused) Why take a video game and cash? Also can u record on that ps game??

[@asmrlacedwithpearls4310]

@@anunknownperson4018 mmm but if he knew he was just skipping school and going to a concert, why didn’t he purchase a return ticket?

[@captainweekend5276]

@@asmrlacedwithpearls4310 it's possible that the person would have offered to give him a lift back, and that he wanted to save as much money as possible for London which is why he refused a return ticket. It's also possible that he intended to stay overnight with the person, which would have made a same day return useless.

[@Mike--Oxmall]

They made 2 arrests about this last month, I havent heard anything since.

[@Magicalgirl20]

Yeah he was definitely manipulated by some adult, why would a kid just buy a one way ticket to some place far away from they house for absolutely no reason 💀. Especially if his parents weren't abusive and his life sounded great, someone definitely told him to do it

[@Elderly-Marian-in-UK]

I'm 72. Back in the 1960s I lived in Swindon Wiltshire, not far from the main A4 road (the M4 hadn't been built then). I was a latchkey kid who got myself to school and got my own breakfast, lunch and tea. When I was 14 I'd often pretend I was going to school but instead I'd bunk off and stand by the A4 road and wait for a truck going to London and I'd hitch a ride and land at Earls Court where there was a truck stop and truckers congregated there for a cuppa and a pie. I'd just hang out in the area for the day as I was fascinated by the big city and all the hustle and bustle. Then at 4pm I'd do the same in reverse ....stand by the A4 and hitch hike back to Swindon for 6pm when my parents got home from work and made the family dinner. Nobody knew I did that. I'm lucky I wasn't murdered. So it's not unusual for kids to bunk off and go somewhere miles away without telling anyone, especially if they know it'll get them into trouble. Shame that boy met an ominous end. Bless his heart.

[@CCyndrella]

Love the distinct UK dialect! Awesome description and accent that I can hear even in your writing. The UK use of language is so polite. Wish I could have been born in England, rather than the Rocky Balboa dialect of Jersey City, New Jersey! 😡😠

[@Elderly-Marian-in-UK]

@@CCyndrella I love the USA accents. Xx

[@youforget1000thingsaday]

​@@CCyndrellaEw stop a** kissing. 😂

[@CCyndrella]

@@youforget1000thingsaday - Ass kissing? Why would I do that?! You're just a f**king douchbag! Nough said.

[@KarenSmith-co5gm]

He was picked up by someone at kings Cross he may have met on his exbox

[@keir92]

One thing I think you missed here is the change in mood after the University trip. Perhaps Andrew made a friend on that trip and planned to visit them or meet them in London, for the gig or otherwise, and this led to his death or abduction. Perhaps he even planned to meet the very person responsible for the disappearance of the other bright young student.

[@sarahfitzpatrick3402]

I was thinking that. and it could have been to go to shows. i was thinking he told him he would take him back home cos he has a car cos it would be night and late and boring on the train back home. and that yeh this guy was the groomer dude who he meant acouple week earlier

[@davidaston5773]

Yes Keir, I think his change in mood is a BIG clue. Meeting up with this person in London would've also made it easier to get him to say YES because, of course, he was familiar with London. But somehow I don't think he got to the gig. If it even was real. There's many other cases of people being tricked into going to see someone ie for a job, which turns out to be a fatale mistake in judgement. David

[@CK8smallville]

True, change in mood be a person. But it could also be excitement over a new school?

[@pretzelheaddd]

Same thing I thought!! He must’ve met someone he thought was cool

[@dr.a2160]

He did mention this

[@gabe-po9yi]

I think the two-week stay at the University is significant. His parents reported he came back not only animated - when he was usually always subdued - but super-stoked. Of course, it’s hard to know why, as he didn’t say. Also significant is that when he came back from the trip he told his dad he didn’t want to be in Cub Scouts anymore. Had someone there made him feel he was too mature for something like Scouts? We know that a key strategy in the predator-grooming process is treating the child like they’re more mature than they are. I think it’s possible he met a predator at the Uni who targeted him. Andrew revealed he liked certain music and bands and the predator acted like he did, also. Before Andrew left, the predator looked it up and told him such and such band was playing in London on a certain date and arranged a meet-up, so there was no need for ongoing communication. This is just what makes the most sense to me - that he met an older person at Uni who targeted him.

[@sparklypoet1454]

That makes so much sense! I totally agree with you.

[@hannahwilson4174]

It could also answer why another maths student his age went missing a little while after. Perhaps that student took a trip to that university too and was groomed by the same person

[@rachelnstephens]

This sounds like the most plausible explanation.

[@anfxotwod]

This sounds plausible but then why did he take out all the contents of his account and buy a one way ticket if he was just planning on going to a concert

[@x_teamjoanne_x9770]

@@anfxotwod hmm good point, maybe the person luring him offered a place to stay for a while? And that the ticket home would be sorted when he was ready to leave?

[@garbagelokki]

I think the theory that he was groomed is totally plausible here. As a teenager, I was unfortunately groomed too, so him acting more giddy and animated after visiting University sounds rather worrying to me, considering he might've ran into a predator. Predators like to direct quiet, young lads and they nearly always tell you how mature you are for your age, which may lead to them leaving home without saying anything to meet up with a supposed creep. Groomed and lured to London or not, my heart goes out to Andrew and his family. I hope you're ok, wherever you are.

[@sammysappy]

nothing worse when someone can't watch a video about another person going thru a tragic event without having to say "OH OH ME TOO ME TOO!!! I WAS GROOMED TOO!!" as if you're eagerly awaiting your award and standing ovation for being a "survivor".

[@lizardpenny928]

@@sammysappy what a horrible way for you to respond. Shame on you.

[@joelellks4063]

​@@sammysappyI can see your frustration but that isn't the point of bringing it up. When people say that when adding something to the conversation, it's to establish personal experience with the context of the discussion. i.e., "I experienced this before, and from that experience I can see the same patterns". As opposed to "I've watched a few videos on this topic, so I'm qualified to say this".

[@FDALl-ms5kg]

​@@joelellks4063 yeah thanks for a good response. Theres absolutely people Who wave it like a trophy. Not this guy though

[@orandachildren1051]

@@sammysappy You seem like a total asshole. Just sayin'.

[@jupitersnoot4915]

to me, two theories are most likely: 1. Andrew met someone at the university camp who groomed him in some way, and lured him down to London either for the gig, or just to meet up, and they either kept him captive or killed him. OR 2. Andrew travelled down to London off his own back for a music gig and either he met someone before the gig or at the gig, and that person convinced him to come away with them and they did something to him. Either way, I think there HAS to be a third party involved. If Andrew had been mugged and then just allowed to walk away unharmed, he was smart enough to go to the police for help. Someone has to have taken away his ability to escape, either by holding him captive, or killing him. and sadly, given that Andrew didn't have much in the way of street smarts, he was probably a very easy target.

[@prisontv3299]

I personally think he’s still alive

[@Fucksandyy]

I don't think Andrew when to the gig on his own accord because if he didn't plan on meeting anyone, he would've bought a return ticket.

[@prisontv3299]

@@Fucksandyy your name is suspicious

[@zeddeka]

I have a gut feeling he's still alive. If indeed he was gay, then he would be one of literally thousands of gay kids who have run away from home over the years if they're having problems. A lot of the alleged sightings of Andrew were in Brighton, a place which has a large gay community, and of course there was the lad online who may have been Andrew, talking about breaking up with his boyfriend. He wouldn't be the only person over the years to have made a completely new life for themselves.

[@TestTest-uo7zv]

Personally i think its the fault of illegal immigrants. They are known to do horrifying things to people

[@RiceWitch-dingus-400]

Imagine on your deathbed knowing you'll probably never know what happened to your kid, no closure, nothing. That would be awful

[@clintoruss153]

Rice witch 100% and that has happened to lots of parents, very sad, how evil some people are just saddens me

[@jessH090]

I remember one of the mothers of the children killed and buried on the moors who never gave up looking for him, she’d always be up there on digging operations, never gave up. On her death bed she begged her sons murderers to tell her where her son was so she could lay him to rest. The ba5tards never told her. They wanted to keep that ‘power’. Evil. I remember feeling so awful for her.

[@jackedkerouac4414]

Can't even imagine what it would be like waking up every morning to that reality.

[@Qwerka]

I hope they will in their next life…

[@TG-fq6vy]

I believe that they would find out after they passed away. I find it odd that people say they died with never knowing. I believe they found out after they died though.

[@CK.girl55]

Every single time I hear a story like this I think to myself " I hope he's not suffering somewhere all this time, locked up with no way out"

[@MaxMustermann-hd7oe]

I highly doubt that. He has been killed, committed suicide or started a "new life" with someone else.

[@anunknownperson4018]

@@MaxMustermann-hd7oe starting a new life without telling his parents is not even a chance

[@zaperator4449]

@@anunknownperson4018 damn sad...

[@valverios]

@@MaxMustermann-hd7oe He is still alive, look up on bing "Pizza party, train gorsen" He is still there and his kidnappers post daily online.

[@lyricberlin]

@@valverios oh stop it is evil to lie on something like this

[@monzer0172]

I am almost certain he was groomed and lured somewhere. It sounds like he was given instructions and sadly his behavior suggest he had no idea he was in danger. Also for not taking a charger, I think the person he was speaking to probably told him they had one. Very sad and I hope one day this will be solved.

[@kenmccormick8059]

You are probably on the right track. Two men were recently charged with kidnapping and trafficking in connection with this case. Up to the last recorded sighting of Andrew at the station in London, there is no suggestion that he felt he was in any danger.

[@lyricberlin]

@@kenmccormick8059 They were released but police said they have seized a number of devices from the two men and expect these will take between six and 12 months to analyze

[@meggriffin94]

Lack of charger = he didn't think he was going to be gone for that long. He probably brought the PSP so he could occupy himself on the train.

[@mochi484]

either that or he was planning on coming home and the reason he didn’t get a return ticket is because the person probably told him they’d take him home

[@mochi484]

@@meggriffin94 exactly

[@Calaveraqueen24]

the fact that the police blamed the dad when the cctv shows andrew on his own is horrible

[@Rebecca_Bailey]

I don’t know how they could’ve blamed the dad when he wasn’t even there

[@Irishcelt90]

They let there child listen to heavy metal music and travel to big cities on his own there're definitely to blame

[@catscanhavelittleasalami]

cops being cops

[@sharpshooter_Aus]

@@catscanhavelittleasalamiYou mean investigating all leads?

[@sharpshooter_Aus]

@@Irishcelt90Tf heavy metal music got to do with anything?

[@josephsoltero7326]

Was Andrew actually witnessed walking home from school the whole way? 4 miles is a really long distance to walk regularly, especially with a backpack full of schoolbooks. He could've just lied about that too and been secretly meeting up with someone instead. Maybe that person would drive him back to save time. I think Andrew met someone at that summer school program who began to groom him (hence the change in his attitude). Maybe that person suggested a meetup on the day of his disappearance, promising him to drive him back as usual (hence not taking the charger), but something went wrong, and that person ended up harming him.

[@lindagoodswin9519]

i think this too i think he met someone at the summer school, this would explain a lot, maybe that is why he walked home because he wanted time to sort things out with this person, i hate to say it but i think he is dead and will never be found.

[@Ephesians5-14]

Yes honestly as soon as I heard about the program at the college, I immediately felt he met someone there, hence the change of attitude and I bet that's the person he met with and was never seen again.

[@rickywheeler9335]

This seems likely. I wonder if someone that was there saw him talking or spending time with anyone more than others…

[@rickywheeler9335]

After more research, I doubt this actually. The summer program was the summer previous and without access to an online device I very much doubt he would have been able to keep in contact with anyone for over a year. I lean towards a spontaneous trip and foul play 😞.

[@mrselfdestruct7605]

@@rickywheeler9335 he had an email and used xbox live, he had access to the internet and ways to contact people

[@MyopicSundae]

When Andrew's father asked members of the gay community if his son had run off to consult them for advice concerning his sexual identity on account of feeling as if he couldn't tell his religious parents, that really hit me hard. The fact that his parents even thought of that in the first place. I feel so sorry for them.

[@icu3869]

They must have been extremely repressive to think their son would resort to that, he disappeared in 2007, and the father waited till 2009 to appeal to the gay community. It’s pretty offensive but typical that religious types are so ignorant they confuse homosexuals and pedophiles.

[@heehoopeanut420]

they sound like sweet people, I feel so awful for them

[@estergrant6713]

sounds somewhat plausible i suppose, not that they necessarily projected that onto him but perhaps a kid being afraid of a difficult realization in identity thought that he had no option maybe

[@shahaffiq5860]

Disgusting

[@heehoopeanut420]

@@shahaffiq5860 ya mama? I agree👍🏻

[@standishism]

I've always had the feeling that Andrew made arrangements to spend the day or the night with a ''friend'' who was a gamer, but in reality was a predator of some sort. Andrew was most likely told by the ''friend'' that if he could come to London, his parents could take him home either that evening or the next day. It explains why he didn't purchase a round-trip ticket, the fact that he didn't take any personal items or a change of clothes as well as a charger for his gaming device.

[@EyesHaveMiles420]

But is there any proof that he played his games online? They said he didn’t have an email address, and you would need one to play your game system online.

[@majlordag1889]

@@EyesHaveMiles420 it's very easy to make a 'trash email' for purposes such as gaming. Always did it when I was a teen

[@majlordag1889]

@@justmeiniowa he could've made a fake email from another computer though like at school or at a friend

[@CovidConQuitTheCensorship]

Yes. I agree entirely. Xbox live would be my guess. I'm not against gaming mind you, nor the social aapect of it, but I strongly believe he was groomed and taken by a predator or organised ring

[@eirschu8973]

@@majlordag1889 but why would he? Why the secrecy?

[@BarbaraWombill]

I remember the news that Andrew was missing. My heart goes out to his parents and the pain of even not knowing where he is

[@annieapple8974]

There’s been an update. Two men were arrested and being investigated involving this case. I really hope his family and friends finally get answers.

[@EyesHaveMiles420]

Good to hear. I hope it’s the right people.

[@Min_hobiii]

Can you provide the link please? I would like to read about it.

[@Ttttoeeen]

Gods, this case is so chilling... Amen to that. 🙏🙏

[@astronomicalfailure2905]

Good to know! Hope that Andrew will be able to make it home.

[@annmarie6870]

Wow okay hope they find him and that he’s safe

[@bedtimeclub]

He met someone whilst at the university trip, this person convinced him to meet him at the gig in London. This person possibly said they would drive him home, which explains the one way fare. Who knows what happened that night..I hope he is out there somewhere. Edit - also I think the fact that he didn't catch the bus to school is significant.

[@dreamsicle3225]

That’s actually good thinking. Might explain why he didn’t take his PSP charger and some cash but not all, and his house keys. Seems he was only going out but not intending on staying away.

[@Thecuregalore94]

This makes the most sense to me, a lot of theories thrown about but this is the one with most credibility based on what evidence we have on the table. However this all played out, sadly he is likely long dead.

[@Everything-wo9ds]

Surely he was meant to be smart enough to know that they wouldn't drive him back all the way home after him getting a train down

[@kingofhearts3185]

@@Everything-wo9ds his parents said he wasn't street smart

[@AJ-zx8by]

Yeah that is very likely. The one way ticket does not mean he didn't intend to come home and your theory explains how.

[@Randkaz]

This one gave me chills. When I was a kid I used to travel 2 hours in bus for Music school to another city. I did this for 2 years and all the time there was always the chance that someone could forcibly not let me return home. I feel for this kid if something bad happened to him. And to you, damn, this is really high quality. I have seen most of your videos now and the quality is through the roof. Props to you my man.

[@PeakedInterest]

Thanks for the kind words.

[@roosaas]

This is my very first video I saw from him. I’m so glad, that I decided to click in on this video, when it showed up in my recommendations. The way the video is made, and the time and effort put into making it and him considering all, even the tiniest detail regarding the case, blows me away. This is extremely well conducted investigative video into the case. The best one I’ve seen from anyone of this case. I can’t wait to see more of his content, this is phenomenal. Chefs kiss.

[@a.m11558]

I do think Andrew was groomed. Someone probably pretended to be a young girl or boy who was into him and told him to come visit them. He probably didn't expect to be gone long at all. I relate to this because I did this stuff when I was about his age, I was really, really naive and did go to meet a girl who I met online. Luckily she was real, but still, if I'd gone into her house and she wasn't... Well, I probably wouldn't be here today. I've almost been abducted three times in my life by different people. These predators are absolutely everywhere.

[@ElChinoAntras]

Gotta risk it for the biscuit 😂

[@rayna3244]

Interesting theory, I was thinking someone from that Uni groomed him… If you don’t mind me asking, could you explain how you were nearly abducted? That’s so shocking and sickening, I’m so sorry that happened to you😪

[@abcdeshole]

Something in the same vein happened to me as a teenager. And I was sneaky, I made sure to use library computers to go looking for trouble. Andrew’s groomer didn’t even necessarily have to pretend to be younger than he was.

[@a.m11558]

@@rayna3244 Sure, this will be long so I apologise in advance. The first time was when I was a toddler. There was some council housing behind our house and there were always weird people living there. My parents were very strict with stranger danger and all that, so I was always under supervision, but one day I was in the backyard with my little sister (I was probably 3 or 4, she would've been about 2) and we were playing. My mum had been supervising us but she had to go inside to do something, I think answer the phone. Almost as soon as she was gone, this scrawny, strange-looking man appeared at our back fence. He looked a bit like Charles Manson, very creepy. He had climbed halfway up the fence, and asked my sister and I if we wanted to see the chickens in his backyard. I don't remember much but I do remember being scared of him and not really being able to speak because I was afraid. My mum came out and saw him, and she completely ignored him. She just took my sister and I inside like nothing was happening and then called my grandfather (my dad was at work) to come over. The second and third time both happened when I was 13. I frequently wagged (skipped) school in the middle of the day, and walked the streets of my neighbourhood. I felt safe because I assumed that a 13 year old was too old for paedophiles, but I was wrong. One day, a bald man began following me around the streets. I wasn't sure if he was actually a threat or if I was paranoid, so I took very random routes down different streets, and tried to see if he was following me. He did follow me, every step of the way, and at one point he called out to me, saying I'd dropped something. I hadn't dropped anything. I turned a corner and crossed a very busy road to a park, and he didn't follow me across. The third and final time happened later that year when I was walking to my grandparents' house. I had to cross that same busy road I just mentioned to get there, and while I was waiting to cross a car with blacked-out windows pulled up in front of me with two men in it. They asked me for directions to a place I'd never heard of, and I kept my distance from the car. I told them I didn't know and suggested they ask an adult across the road. They then pulled out a map (bizarre for 2015) and asked me to come closer to the car so I could see it. I refused and they swore at me and drove off very quickly. I've had some other weird stuff happen but nothing as obvious as those times

[@alec57]

And what evidence do you have to support grooming? Gotta love you armchair youtube detectives lol

[@kellie5476]

This case has intrigued me for years, I've been to Donny rail station a few times and couldn't help but think about him. It does look like he's looking round for someone when he's in London. This is probably the most in depth analysis that I've seen on this case, very well done.

[@roosaas]

Yes, this is one of those disappearances, that has baffled me for years. This is the best video I’ve seen so far, that has been made about this case.

[@Lilmisscostumedrama]

I saw another video that touched upon this. I am am from Doncaster and had friends who went to Macauley school where Andrew attended. Been on that train line down to Kings cross soooo many times. Andrews case got barely any where near coverage or attention it should have done. Having lived in Doncaster…and not knowing anything about this case until several years later through awesome youtubers who make these videos. Edit: I was living in Leicester as a student in 2005-2009 but still wasn’t that well publicised according to family and friends.

[@javeydones5163]

@@Lilmisscostumedrama From what I’ve heard from all the videos covering this. The police really dropped the ball on this one. They didn’t try to retrieve video from cameras in London for months and most of it had been deleted by then. In addition, It took them way too long to figure out he went to London. They also didn’t really speak to many of the witnesses who’d seen him or didn’t actually consider what the witness had said. They wasted a lot of time focusing on Andrews Dad as a suspect instead.

[@SalemEverett]

A lot of people have mentioned the way he looks around, but I'd also say that I think most people look around like that when they're leaving King's Cross Station; it's an extremely busy and chaotic area, so he could've just been getting his bearings. But yes I agree that this case is really strange and baffling.

[@JRenee141]

I noticed this as well. All the footage shows everybody surrounding him looking straight ahead and carrying on about their day. He is always looking off to the side.

[@Abfab039]

The flow, the rythme, your vocabulary, everything is perfect. Not too long, no drama, just the facts. Respect!!!

[@PeakedInterest]

Thank you. Never had anyone say that before.

[@JC-dz3kv]

The fact that another boy around the same age who was also a gifted math student went missing is too much of a coincidence. The odds that a stranger happened to pick two kids who have such similarities just doesn’t seem plausible. They both had to have been groomed, meaning the predator is targeting a specific type of victim.

[@Nonna3xs]

Government maybe

[@elyse_was_here_]

& maybe he took his Xbox console so his parents couldn’t see who he had been interacting with on there?! Maybe the person or persons told him to do that and that’s why he wasn’t worried about the cords 🤔

[@mikatu]

Glad you solved the case. Now they are working for the Governemnt decoding the Enigma machine.

[@actuallyaardwolf]

Or that he works at that university and found them on a field trip.

[@uioongbion2074]

Please stop. Not all children are gullible. Stop being ageist

[@GhostOfThisHouse]

in 2007 my then 13yo brother made the journey from glasgow down to london via train to visit camden market, he was alone but my grandma was waiting for him on the other end. when he came off at the last stop my grandma was horrified to see that he was completely pissed off his head and could barely walk, some old guy had gotten him drunk and swiftly made himself scarce when he realised someone was waiting on the other end. i shudder to think where he wouldve been taken had my grandma not been there. i personally dont think andrew was meeting up with anyone, i think he went alone to explore his independence/rebellious side after having seen alluring glimpses of the alternative scene on family holidays. he may have been book smart but that often means not street smart, it wouldve been easy for some creep to lure him in with false offerings. the fact that he simply disapeared in one of the most surveillanced places on earth is incredibly sinister, i feel the city and the police failed this boys family.

[@Fucksandyy]

but if he expected to come back why wouldn't he have bought a return ticket?

[@GhostOfThisHouse]

​@@FucksandyyI'm not sure but a few people have said he was reportedly confused/shy at the ticket booth and just took the first thing offered

[@edixasanchezpacheco3692]

I don’t think this was his first time traveling alone on a train, he seemed very confident and comfortable traveling by himself

[@colebeans3145]

Maybe or maybe he got kidnapped

[@Sam-xf1jh]

They mentioned hed take the trains to see his grandparents often

[@dewizard1879]

When I was a kid I walked up to random people and held their hands or would walk with families for several blocks for no reason.

[@Samscrazy]

He had been to London before he had family in sidcup and they regularly visited those place to see museums and the family

[@SethMacLeod95]

Usually doesent happen the first time. He was walking in dangerous waters talking to strangers and got hooked 😔

[@mallbratgirl_3005]

uk residents will know his face, he's still the poster child for cold missing children's cases

[@meatiest1989]

Yep

[@Lucas02000]

I always see his face on bus stops.

[@meatiest1989]

@@Lucas02000 I see his face near JD

[@MsTinkerbelle87]

Ireland too.

[@jordanspencer2092]

Yep I live near his parents and often walk by their house his poster is all over Doncaster.I always wonder what happened to him and check to see if there's any updates in the case.

[@janblackman6204]

This obviously was a very protected kid. He made contact with someone when he visited that school. He must have stayed in contact with whom ever he met. I’m afraid he is long dead.

[@Ephesians5-14]

Investigators should definitely interview everyone he had contact with. I'm sure the other students would have noticed if he had made a special connection with one of the college counselors or something of that nature.

[@janblackman6204]

@@Ephesians5-14 you’re right the kids would notice but would they talk.

[@uncle7162]

Well death would be preferable to life in a lunatics custody. Poor boy we have something like that here in Australia Daniel morcombe he’s simply was walking to the shops when a man offered a lift so in turn the man murdered possible raped him and dumped him in the swamp when he was found there was almost nothing left the crocodiles and vultures got to him. His murderer now will live in relative comfort in jail. supplied the right to live while denying that poor boy his right to live RIP to both these boys

[@guyonabudget5209]

Poor kid is dead unfortunately. He met someone online probably someone posing as a girl and using a girl’s pictures. And then met up in London somewhere and that was it. Probably molested, raped, etc I can attest to this because in the past I’ve been tricked online or on dating sites cat fished. When I met up the girl would say knock on the door, or go to the backyard very creepy. I would leave right away and I learned my lesson.

[@Ephesians5-14]

@@janblackman6204 sure, I think so. I would not be surprised if some kids have already come forward to the police and maybe even spoken with the perp but dismissed them. Predators are so very good at coming across as a decent person and covering their tracks. When I was a kid, there was a youth pastor paying me too much attention, attention I didn't want if you know what I mean. I told my parents what was going on and *so did my friends* who witnessed it. They both backed me up, in fact they noticed his attention to me before I did. I'll be honest, my parents didn't really believe us because this man was their friend and my mom just adored him. If I went missing and my friends had come forward with information, I'm certain they wouldn't have been believed because this guy was "an upstanding" person. I just really think the person who did this is at that university even now, or has graduated and is still hurting children. If I were his parents, I'd hire a private investigator.

[@thespiderfrommars2840]

I'm thinking the kid never really lost his phone, that's why he didn't want a replacement. His groomer probably wanted to ensure that nobody ever found the messages he was sending to Andrew and told him to pretend as if he had lost it somewhere.

[@user-om2fg7yh6s]

What I've never understood about this case is the last sighting of him - The area around Kings Cross is so busy with people and traffic, how on earth was he not picked up by more CCTV cameras once he left the station?

[@klausheller6699]

I've read on Wikipedia that the Police thought It was Better to interrogate the parents and Friends instead of controlling other cameras

[@thecultofjohnnydelr.soulsw7010]

That is weird, the police are nuts.

[@PeriodDrama]

@@DoeFootThat’s so fucking stupid and infuriating, CCTV should be the first thing checked in any case where it’s a possible lead. I guess they’ve learnt that now with how they put it to use in catching Wayne Couzins in the Sarah Everard case.

[@Lucy-ym8ch]

Because it's so busy they couldn't pick him out.

[@dondamon4669]

​@@klausheller6699do you know how easy it is to be a policeman? You don't need education all you need is a passport, there doing it for holiday pay, sick pay, pension and stability! All they arrest is people doing drugs who are only hurting themselves and also most are freemasons

[@andorfedra]

I gotta say, stories like this lead me to believe that Human Trafficking is most likely involved. This thought is both terrifying and sad. What happens in that dark world is appalling and disturbing to a degree I wish I didn't know.

[@kugh2384]

I know politicians, judges and other prominent figures in society take part in human trafficking. This is why Ghislaine Maxwell trial needs to be made public.

[@arik2216]

or he deliberately ran away and hid himself from his family. There are also many cases like this, a family member intentionally disappears and then grows up to replace their identity in order to run away from his own family and their past. Oh his family claimed to be "DEVAOUT Christians". Christian has a lot of bad records on family/child abusers because of their bigotry. It could be that his closest relatives, friend even help to hide him

[@SethMacLeod95]

@@arik2216 we can only hope that’s the case. Otherwise, what happened to him is unimaginable. 😔

[@HwoarangtheBoomerang]

It's nice that someone else has this sentiment. I, too, wish I didn't know as much as I know.

[@cherylschantz9893]

@@arik2216 that’s quite the over-generalization.

[@rogerking2888]

When I was 15 I went to Glasgow to meet a girl I met online. I never told my Mum (she was working 50 hours+ a week in a nursing home and not really involved), and to this day she doesn't know. The whole thing could easily have ended badly for me. I was 15, clueless and from a small town in the middle of nowhere. The world was a better place before the Internet.

[@tf1090c]

What happened when you reached Glasgow?

[@Overlord99762]

Can you elaborate on what happened?

[@khezupreme4318]

Give us the juicy story, my popcorn is ready

[@skinlesswalnut6259]

But did slay though?

[@GoodestKitty]

Don’t leave us on a cliffhanger!

[@joshdukie998]

People seem to be forgetting that Landline phones were still in common use back in 2007. it's possible he could of been talking to someone on a landline.

[@juliefaulkner5497]

He could have used a phone box, maybe why he started walking home from school.

[@paulinehignett6557]

When he was at the train station in London,he was looking around,like he was meeting someone.That someone was clever enough to keep off of the cameras. The police should check out who he met at the summer school.

[@TannerGoated]

This case is old asf nobody will remember who tf he met it’s time to move on . People go missing everyday this kid not that special to waste quality time on him

[@mrsrock7641]

@@TannerGoated you really have something against this lad don’t you. We can see your other comments. Repeatedly stating that he’s nothing special. Well he is! What makes you so special to be so certain that this case is not worth any time, detective Cobi?

[@tyrekecantrell5941]

@@TannerGoated How would you like it if you disappeared and nobody gave a shit?

[@Kyrolettuce]

@@TannerGoated why are u here then

[@nusak5879]

@@TannerGoated bro shut up you're literally a kid who probably thinks he's some kind of edgelord

[@tomkennovin9611]

crazy stuff man, he lived on the same street as me, his parent still do. With a missing poster in their window to this day

[@suezannehoward7945]

Thats so sad ,i feel for his family .

[@FatsFats-my9es]

Absolutely heartbreaking

[@SteffiNovaASMR_Replays]

Did you ever meet him?

[@lizziandlewy8803]

💔

[@Kody963]

Dang that's sad

[@dragonfly6955]

After his visit to the Lancaster University, Andrew acted in a different way, according to his family. They said he was more animated than usual and they found it strange. I think he became friend with someone there and went to London to meet this person. I would have investigated that trip asking the teachers at the University, or whoever was taking care of him, if they had seen Andrew hanging out with another student or someone working at the University. The one time ticket and all the rest make me think that this person was an adult and offered him a ride back home. The routine change could be explained with Andrew walking to school instead of taking the buss to be able to call this person from a telephone box to plan the trip to London in details. Probably this person convinced him not to ask his parents to allow him to go, telling him they would have never let him go, maybe also because this person was an adult. Andrew did all in secret. Sadly, this person never gave him a ride back home.

[@Bee-ly4gx]

This is the only theory that makes sense to me

[@dragonfly6955]

@@Bee-ly4gx I wish the police had investigated Andrew's visit at Lancaster University. Might have helped.

[@Bee-ly4gx]

@@dragonfly6955 yes anyone he came into contact with there that had connections to London or who wasn’t at uni the day Andrew disappeared would have been a good start. My daughter actually did the same program at Lancaster uni for a few days whilst she was at school a couple of years after Andrew was there. I think that the police missed something there. To be honest this video is the first time I have heard any mention of his uni visit.

[@dragonfly6955]

@@Bee-ly4gx Not to mention the fact that the police didn't check the cctv footage in London immediately. It would have helped immensely imo.

[@thedeviouspanda]

This makes total sense to me. Someone preyed upon this boy and persuaded him to walk right into their plan.

[@smallscreenninja5894]

An update in 2023: In January 2022 two men aged 38 and 45 were arrested on suspicion of human trafficking and kidnapping, with the 45 year old being further arrested for indecent images of children. At the time of the arrests the police stated it could take 6-12 months to analyse the the electronics acquired from both suspects. In January 2023 the police stated that the two suspects are still under investigation, and that the electrical devices are still being analysed.

[@rileym3502]

2024, they were released in september.

[@carseatneedssrest]

fuck.

[@Quirky_Dinosaur]

​@@rileym3502What cpuld you give me some more information

[@Anony556]

@@rileym3502did they have anything to do with it?

[@thevikingpro4052]

@@Anony556according to the police, they weren't involved in andrew's disappearance and were thus released. make of that what you will

[@helenwood8482]

His behaviour in deciding to walk rather than get the bus screams bullying to me. Lack of information about bullying is natural, because most of the time, school staff are unaware that kids are being bullied or choose not to notice. I was being beaten up or spat at every day for six years at school. To give you an idea of the severity, I was once lying on the ground while around seven or eight girls kicked me. In all those years, only two teachers ever did anything to help me. The headmaster denied that bullying existed at the school. In the wider community, the school had an excellent reputation.

[@Umbrella2]

Teachers are notoriously rubbish at tackling bullying. Tragic really.

[@superdrwholock]

I thought that too, bless his soul. I'm sorry you went through that Helen, I'm a 19 year old trans guy (came out last year, I'm so much more comfortable now) and school was hell for me, especially secondary school, it was mostly emotional/verbal bullying but that along with dysphoria was enough to make me want to not be alive from quite a young age. It still effects me now, I have very low self-esteem. If I ever adopt children, I'm going to make sure they feel that they can tell me anything so that if they're getting bullied, I can help them, and I'll make sure they know to never be cruel to other kids too. I think some people don't realize that bullying can affect someone so much, it sticks with you. And they seem to forget that you're not raising children, you're raising adults; they'll become adults one day and they'll have to adjust to the 'real world', so teaching them to be kind, open-minded and not hateful is so important.

[@LuanEevee]

@@superdrwholock Bullying also came into my thought as I was listening to this video. I'm a trans guy as well and my time in high school was awful. I did my best to avoid the routes the other teenagers used to diminish contact as much as I could. I'm 29 years old now and in a much better place (still in therapy though, but hey I'm getting there). I hope you are doing better my friend. Just want to let you know that you matter and you are amazing! God bless Andrew Gosden's soul, hopefully the answers will come eventually.

[@superdrwholock]

@@LuanEevee You too mate

[@GradKat]

Yes, all schools claim to have “zero tolerance” towards bullying, but a lot of the time this just means they pretend it doesn’t exist.

[@drakensberg.multimedia]

I'm a father of two kids, it scares and infuriates me when terrible things happen to innocent kids. Those pictures at the end of the missing children really got to me. I hope someday Andrew's parents get the closure they deserve.

[@slaydog5102]

good job for bringing kids in an evil world

[@LZMP60]

​@@slaydog5102wtf you expect him to do ? Let humanity die ?

[@ohno7153]

@@LZMP60 ?? We have enough people, and you're not obliged to reproduce. In fact, you're stupid if you decide to have children nowadays. You natalists are mentally deranged.

[@solaireastora5394]

​@@slaydog5102the world isn't evil, it's neutral

[@oscarcat1231]

@@solaireastora5394wrong the people in this world are evil. All those that rejected Christ.

[@carlacruz893]

PI: “He was a straight A student” Spanish subtitles: “He was a heterosexual student…” 💀💀💀💀💀 I…

[@barbarahren5208]

Realy? 😂

[@LuizHenrique-zw5su]

LMAO

[@davidkennedy6251]

Brilliant lol!

[@SacredFire777]

🤣

[@vocaloidingviva3640]

XD

[@MissLibra-ce8qe]

Him leaving his PSP charger behind could be because a possible groomer pretending to be a (not yet met) friend of a similar age had assured Andrew he wouldn’t need to take one as he/she had one and he would be able to use theirs. They may have also told him not to worry about taking a change of clothes as this would not only draw attention to him bunking off school, but it would also mean more things for Andrew to carry around with him and so may have told him he could either wash his clothes at their home or borrow some of their clothes. Him taking his house key I think is purely done out of habit and having parents drill it into him that he lock the door and take his keys with him whenever he’s the last one to leave the house. As we know, lots of kids don’t seem to apply logic to things and have a tendency to take things quite literally, so him not accepting a return ticket for just 50p extra than a one way ticket cost could literally be because he’d been told he would get a lift back the following day and him taking this as a guaranteed thing, not applying logic to the situation or possible scenarios (like an adult would) such as the lift home falling through for whatever reason. I’m not sure what happened to Andrew, but I personally don’t believe that he went to watch some band in London.

[@deenman23]

or he could have forgoten it,he was in a bit of a rush and maybe even scatterbrained as he never did this before

[@circleeo5491]

I've saw his face on almost every bill board in my area a couple years ago and i immediately clicked on the the video when i saw it again. I was always so curious about his story as a child. Sending love to Andrew's family and friends ❤❤

[@jaebonjiya1275]

Same

[@anunknownperson4018]

@@jaebonjiya1275 Im from the US and i never seen this boy on the news it should be international bc it can be a international group too

[@jaebonjiya1275]

@@anunknownperson4018 yh true

[@KevDog140]

I know this is probably not true or accurate, but as someone who almost flew across the country by myself I’d say it’s not totally insane. The reason I almost did it was very stupid, it was for a “girl” I had been talking to though Instagram, I never actually saw her face or heard her voice but 15 year old me was in love with her and I really thought about using my saved up birthday and Christmas money to fly to where she was which was a 10 hour flight just to meet her. Someone I’ve never seen before, it’s crazy how vulnerable we are, if it wasn’t for my parents somehow finding out and taking my phone away from me and instantly blocking and deleting the account I was using to talk to this “girl” I think I would’ve really flew across the county by myself.

[@chilliecheesecake]

Damn dude that's kinda scary, glad you're alright

[@mrtrolly4184]

sketchy stuff, I'm kind of grateful for all of those grooming PSAs we had to watch in school. I'm sure they've saved (at least) dozens of lives.

[@clintoruss153]

Little Mac was probably a man and sexual predator

[@Terryterryterryterryterry]

And it was probably some 40 year old man 😩

[@sophiagonzales8974]

I'm glad that by the time I used to talk on public chats I plan on never meeting up anyone.

[@MrDarkmaster997]

The possibility of him going to meet someone is high, if he played Xbox online he had to have an email and if he had a PC at home with internet connection, he could have had met someone online. The gig theory might hold up, maybe someone persuaded him to go to a gig, most likely pretending to have the same interests as he did.

[@pinkpugginz]

I think he was being groomed by someone online. its the only thing that makes sense

[@Amanda-bt1ur]

Very true

[@Jonathan_Strange]

I also think that his mood that morning could point to the fact that he was meeting someone. The kind of mood a young boy might be in - if he had a bad pimple, or he was unable to make contact with the person that morning (ie. they weren't online) or they goaded him into making the trip. Is there a way to communicate with other regular players via PSP, like online game chat? (Would it have been possible for SONY to have determined his network of online friends/game players?) Maybe it was even someone pretending to be from one of the bands that he was keen on seeing... offering him backstage pass (or something) and a lift home. Or he was thinking of staying over at his Gran. He might not have bought a return ticket because he was also not sure WHEN he would return (ie. hoping to spend time with a person at the gig, maybe even a promise of allowing him to stay over). This is a really sad case. Well covered by you (Peaked Interest) and fair comment (especially about the Police playing their cards close to their chest) and theories of what might have happened to Andrew Gosden.

[@Lyonog-]

This right here, I felt that the Xbox was vastly ignored in the video as there's no mention of it ever again after it was shown. Add that to the fact that: How does an internet troll knows the nickname "Andyroo" that at the same time happens to be the same as the missing person in this case, that was another crucial detail that was not even mentioned and that puzzles me how it was incredibly ignored Personally, I'm very familiar with cybersecurity, database structures and UX to tell you, if you have used a nickname before in another platform (say a MMO or a game console) you are incredibly likely to reuse it since its easier to remember and most people have some emotional attachment to a specific nickname made in the past

[@davedogge2280]

I cannot confirm if true but I believe he had a XBox360 but no account, so he couldn't message other XBox users with account and he could not have played any online games. Also his Sony PSP account was checked as mentioned in the video and no leads there, the PSP wasn't really a multiplayer video game hand held back in the day (I own one and never messaged anyone or played anyting multiplayer - which was not popular on that device).

[@jumpinjohnnyruss]

The fact that the person requesting money in an online conversation requested the same amount of money that is already associated with Andrew suggests one of two things: Either that someone was pulling a prank or that Andrew was trying to leave breadcrumbs of some kind. When there's one coincidence on top of another, you'd be a fool not to suspect design.

[@stopthebus]

What doesn't add up however is that this request was made in 2018, eleven years after he went missing. He would have been 25 years old - plenty old enough to go to a Police Station to ask for help or let his family know he was ok etc. There are some unusual aspects to this story.

[@jumpinjohnnyruss]

@@stopthebus The same way freak waves can crop up in the ocean, freak power dynamics can crop up in society. He may have been under threat. His family may have been under threat. There's no scenario that an author can write into a book that the underworld can't write into reality. Especially with the degree of doubt that this contention is certain to arouse.

[@resean2727]

​@sw6188 he could be chained up or locked up somewhere, you don't know.

[@emirys9790]

Definitely agree with the concert theory. He met someone much older than him who lured him over to the concert. The charger wasn't required because he wasn't intending on staying for longer then necessary. His passport was left at home because, once again, he didn't require it for the train ride. As for the one-way ticket to london, I believe the person he was meeting with likely promised him a ride back home. If he put much of his trust into this person, then he wouldn't have seen any red flags in his older friend's proposals. After all, while Andrew may have been great at math, he was still just a kid. The person who he met with was a predator. Someone who nabbed him the second they had the opportunity, or someone who made him believe that living with them was a better fit for him.

[@Goob1234]

This also links up with the change in routine in the two days before his disspearance. My theory is that he was walking home with someone who likely groomed him into attending a concert together. This is likely why he was unusually excited and enegetic when he got home, because he realised he was going to see one of his favourite bands live.

[@bobshenix]

Bingo... we'll probably never know but I think this is the most likely scenario.

[@hjt5894]

@@bobshenix two men have been arrested, their devices have been taken for review. Met police said 6-12 months to review all their devices.

[@Neko.Virtual]

why do u think it was a predator

[@ryancoleman1]

What concert was playing at the time? Putting that slipknot t shirt on to me told a story of why he went to London

[@taleandclawrock2606]

A person can be highly intellectual or even savant in some way, yet have no concept of how deranged, evil and exploitative and violently abusive and deceptive some people can be. Its hard to believe if you've never experienced it. I went for a picnic drive with a guy id known some months, who had been friends with one of my good friends a long time, years. He drove me out into the thick bush and pulled out a rifle. I had no idea he had a gun. I asked if we were going to do target practice. He looked at me, and there was no friendliness. He asked me if anyone knew i was there. In a split second i realised he was about to murder me, and my life depended on him not knowing that i knew. I smiled in a sweet friendly confident way, and said, " of course! I always tell my folks when im going out, and who im with". (Noone really knew, i was very isolated then.) He was clearly disappointed and angry, and after looking uncertain and pacing erratically around a bit, he threw the gun back in the car and said " get in". That confirmed for me that the 'picnic' had been a ruse. Thank goodness he drove me home, and i then realised how lucky i was and how dangerous he was.

[@ZahdShah]

What happened after that

[@lisaadkins7302]

I hope you told the authorities as he would most likely pick another victim since you weren’t a good fit for his nefarious plans.

[@cheriegoodwin6819]

So glad you got back safely and was able to talk yourself out of a bad situation...👍

[@Deanna974]

That is so crazy. I would started panicking. You keeping your wits about you I'm that situation is a miracle.

[@anunknownperson4018]

@@Deanna974 i think if he saw this person fear it would give him power…

[@greasydogg]

the guilt his parents must feel… i can’t even imagine. i truly hope he’s somewhere out there safe and sound, he seemed like such a kind person.

[@naylisyazwina6836]

That's why my mom has all log in username and passwords for everything I use since I was on social media. She has access to all private conversations. Even now that I'm 21. I'm an only child but I rather have a strict parent than a parent that does not pay attention to their child's phone or laptop at all

[@Aahfjfkakndnf]

@@naylisyazwina6836 at 21? thats a little too much.

[@wellthisisinteresting4912]

@@Aahfjfkakndnfit’s not though. As long as she only uses the passwords in case of emergency, and not to snoop around, this is a great idea

[@naylisyazwina6836]

@@wellthisisinteresting4912 yeah and I would like her to delete all my things and accounts of I died before her and she can only do that with my passwords I think

[@onesaucynougat7471]

@@naylisyazwina6836jeezus you sound like you have an overbearing parent that babies you way too much.

[@Hamza.Han38]

What I think happened is exactly as you said: - Goes to london to go to a concert, 200 pounds is enough to buy tickets and then merch/food there. - He plans on staying the night at 1 of his family's house, since it will probably be late and it would just be easier to stay. This does also explain why he didn't get a return ticket. - On his way to the concert, somewhere in london, he gets abducted. After that we obviously don't know what happened, but I'd imagine that he died sadly.

[@jameshollyoak8230]

So how would he get home , he would have no money to buy a ticket,

[@kadafinancial3596]

​@@jameshollyoak8230you dumb or something he if he would go to a family members house they would drop him back home or contact his parents to take him back

[@sammcivor1885]

Some of these theories are plausible but the fact he didn’t buy a return ticket is arguably enough to render them all unlikely. God knows how terrified that lad must have been when he realised he wasn’t going to get back home. Absolutely heartbreaking

[@anunknownperson4018]

You should watch criminal minds even though its a show it gives you an idea what the victims go through

[@angelorietberg9740]

Maybe he committed suicide since he only bought a one way ticket

[@liyre4189]

But then again Andrew was deaf in one ear, so he easily could've misheard or just replied without thinking about it (exactly what I would have done when I was an awkward 14 year old). His father, Kevin, also said in an interview that when they went to London they never bought return tickets in advance

[@lp.shakur]

@@liyre4189 what people also always seem to forget is that the return ticket is only usable THAT day in most cases, so maybe it just wasn't an option he considered since he thought he was just staying the night or smthing

[@PeakedInterest]

@LP.Skates that was my hypothesis as well at the end of the video

[@xILLxChronic]

"Andrew enjoyed heavy metal music" *chooses to show the picture of him with the Muse shirt on at that precise moment* lmao

[@daviddesrochers9439]

What type of " facial scrub" do you use ???

[@dianevanderlinden3480]

@@daviddesrochers9439 I know a guy who owns a cosmetics company called Bateman Cosmetics, just for that reason- Bateman's impeccable grooming. Not sure if everyone gets it without reading the description. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to return some videotapes.

[@daviddesrochers9439]

@@dianevanderlinden3480 that's cool, I have to dust my Phill Collins records!

[@thestrangeone1993]

Metal or not, Muse is a good band

[@luxxanoir3030]

@@thestrangeone1993 THEYY WILL NOOOTT CONTROLLLLLLLL USSSSSS

[@truly3743]

It’s hard to believe this young 14-year- old boy could pull this off. Unfortunately he probably met someone who had evil intentions.leaving his mom and dad broken hearted.

[@cousinmajin]

@@MMDDisciple What? That's totally untrue. The majority of teenage runaways return within 48 hours.

[@phantompizza]

@@MMDDisciple Most runaways return home almost the same day or day after, what are you talking about?

[@phantompizza]

@@Cvrtoon2494 what? You reply to the wrong person?

[@Cvrtoon2494]

@@phantompizza my bad lmfao

[@ciaa8387]

This is so sad. He deserved to grow up with his family 💔

[@deenman23]

or or...his family was shity to him for being gay so he buggered off

[@rhodrage]

This is the boy on all the posters about missing children. Also, I never trust when people say "They didn't show signs of being bullied". Cause honestly it's often bullshit.

[@Anglisc1682]

Yeah, most kids who are bullied only show signs of being bullied to their peers and occasionally their teachers who don't give a shit

[@mattzr1550]

I think a sadder reality is that he just didn't feel accepted

[@fetchstixRHD]

"They didn't show signs" may be (and often is) "I didn't notice/pay attention to the signs" I would guess.

[@generichuman2044]

People always say that about bullying and mental illness. My parents had no idea I was being bullied until I skipped school one day. Like Andrew, I was doing really well at school and was quite shy so it was unusual for me not to show up. No one had any ideas about my mental health issues either. It was only after I got taken to a hospital overnight and had to explain to my parents where I'd been

[@leek6927]

I’d like to say that bullying not getting reported in schools or not being known by parents is a very common occurrence. I don’t buy that he wasn’t bullied at all or at least that nobody at that school was bullied.

[@sw-hg8eq]

Or it was a mild-bullying. The characteristics of this boy sound exactly like mine when I was a school-kid. I was an introvert, best student of the class and never met my school-friends outside of the school. Even though I kind of felt bullied, when I look back I realize that the majority of my class-mates were actually open to socialize with me, it was me who was closed to socializing. Some of them worked really hard to build conversation with me every single day and I gave them only short answers LOL I wish I could time-travel and enjoy my school-years instead of spending them as hard-core introvert. But of course there were some people who tried to bully me when they saw that I am alone and have no support-system but it wasn't anything too extreme because they literally had no excuse to bully me, I wasn't overweight or anything. I can imagine that he also wasn't really bullied. Everything about him sounds too confident for a "bullied child" but that's just me.

[@celestiafanforever]

I agree, coming from a victim of bullying myself I can say that people who have been bullied who've been threatened by a bullied will keep it to themselves.

[@joyandpeacefullaughter5307]

@@sw-hg8eq Nothing wrong with being an introvert or hardcore introvert for that matter. We all develop differently.

[@amp4105]

Just because someone is smart doesnt mean they're bully victims. And im sure his school friends would have said if he was bullied.

[@MissUlfang]

My memory of this happening is kinda specific. Because Andrew was seen wearing a Slipknot shirt, I always remember the fan sites and fan forums talking about him going missing. Even though I never saw him on the news, at any time of the day, I always saw talk about Andrew on the fan sites. They ran his story for an awful lot longer than most news outlets typically run stories. At the time, there was a massive sense of Andrew being "one of us" in the eyes of the fanbase, and that made a lot of people want to find him even more. We may never learn what happened to Andrew, but I want to hope that he is somehow safe. This may be naive, maybe even silly of me to believe, but I hope that he's safe somewhere.

[@liyre4189]

Can't remember the band but I know that was the same feeling of community in the Brian Shaffer case. He had a tattoo about that band, and they paused a show once to talk about his case and ask for anyone with info to come out.

[@revanofkorriban1505]

He's dead for sure. Dead or held captive. If he's still alive, he's definitely not safe, since if he was he would have come forward already.

[@Weird.Dreams]

cool story breh

[@annanicole5494]

@@liyre4189 pearl jam i think

[@colettemartin4824]

Getting a one way ticket, no game charger and no change of clothes tells me he was expecting or promised a lift home.......from whom?

[@CDN1975]

Someone lured this boy somewhere. Hopefully, he is still alive out there. God bless his poor family.

[@lucaslindgren3237]

This mystery just popped up on my news and it's almost solved!

[@ScarletBlueScarletBlue]

@@lucaslindgren3237 fr?

[@kells8241]

@@ScarletBlueScarletBlue yeah two guys involved in some child sex trafficking ring

[@shanebadgameing4563]

I heard some try report to the police and the police station tell him come back,the guy never came back, because there were closing soon,so sad

[@mrianwonder6527]

He just ran away from religious lunatic parents. Child sex traffickers are not interested in anyone that old. His parents have made up lies to cover up child abuse at home, that is all there is to this.

[@jamesmoore5630]

That is an autistic trademark. I would rather break the rules and go, even if it is an outrageous trip, then to try to talk my parents into the consent beforehand. It still explains why he would have left without sewing up the loose ends, because he thought he would be right back, and so he was not worried about having to barrow, or buy a small inexpensive item. He did have £200 on him for a short trip. At 14 that would have been alot for me to have, with the exchange rate. As a kid, travel is cheap.

[@PeakedInterest]

Those were my thoughts too

[@skullkiiddd]

Yes but he would’ve bought a return ticket

[@HungerGamesFan00]

@@skullkiidddHe may not have known exactly when he was gonna leave?

[@pinkpugginz]

wtf....? why does literally everyone say AUTISM about every single person

[@robokill387]

@@pinkpugginz they don't, though.

[@BonkNosey]

The fact he never desired to pay the Extra 50p for a return ticket tells me already he had an arrangement with someone who has said they will drive him back home, So there was no need for a return ticket.

[@ctrldelete1763]

I wonder why the clerk told him to buy a return in the first place, wasn't he adamant in buying a one way ticket? For all the clerk knows he could be catching the train to go home.

[@annanicole5494]

⁠​⁠@@ctrldelete1763I remember reading that the clerk was offering him the ticket with the return because it was cheap

[@catscanhavelittleasalami]

Yeah, that or they promised they'd buy him a return ticket. It would be enough to convince a kid to come meet them, especially since one ticket was already expensive. "oh it's pricey but they were nice enough to tell me they'd drive me home/pay for my way back, so refusing them would be kinda mean" would be something a socially awkward kid would think. Not seeing the obvious red flag.

[@Itried20takennames]

@@ctrldelete1763Nice clerks often point out when you can save a bit of money. I have had clerks many times say things like “oh…these are on sale 2 for 1. Want to grab a second one…it’s the same price.” Or who point out that they have a coupon for an item in their store flyer, which are at the front of the store if I want to get one and use the coupon.

[@aaronharman5431]

It was 50 cents extra…

[@vermilliongecko]

Thankyou for your calm, rational and sensitive handling of this case and the subject matter. You've earned yourself a new subscriber.

[@TheRealNova99]

The reason there is only one video of Andrew on CCTV at King's Cross is because the police waited two weeks to request the tapes. Back then, the tapes were taped over at that point. Police had to make a faster request. The family begged for this. I don't know if this is lazy, but London has some of the best CCTV in the world. He was there somewhere...but not after two weeks. I've dug into this case to an insane degree. I have no idea why. The one-way ticket could also be explained since Andrew and his father always bought only one-way tickets to London and he was a creature of habit and routine. Also, if I remember correctly, AndyRoo specifically said his partner left him, not necessarily his boyfriend. Just something to think about. It would be interesting to see what adults missed work at the school that day since they did dig into his limited internet activity and found nothing. Also, his PSP wasn't hooked up to the internet. He ran off with someone, and probably someone he knew in real life. Thank you so much for covering this case. The more people who know about it, the more likely that maybe--just maybe--one day his poor parents will have some much needed closure. You did a great job and seemed like you really cared about the subject material. I'm very glad I stumbled across your channel.

[@Harleymotor]

I have heard this case from multiple channels and shockingly no one really talks about his trip to a university. That in itself was a huge red flag to me. His behavior afterwards and actions following definitely feels like someone gave him instructions; he must have met someone older who made him feel more mature and convinced him to visit for the band.

[@globbyyoshi]

yeah it feels to me more like a combination of the theories this guy mentioned in the video is easily most plausible when you take that into account. The kid seemed to be the type who wouldn't skip school and leave in the strange way that he did for a concert on his own accord no matter how much he liked them. The fact he woke up irritable that day could easily be chalked up to the anxiousness of him knowing that he's gonna skip school, but I wouldn't entirely disagree with someone if they believed he was coerced/blackmailed into leaving. You'd think he'd be more cheery and excited if he was willingly going to a concert and meeting with someone he respected?

[@Harleymotor]

@@globbyyoshi Well there were instances where he would walk or take the long way to school but who's to say he wasn't meeting someone in that time? He doesn't need an email or phone if he met an older person who could drive. Just give that person your address and they'll drive there. If he got a train to London, he likely wouldn't get a ticket back if he expected to get a ride back. The irritability could be from anxiousness in skipping and planning to sneak out to London; or maybe he was irritated that whoever he was meeting wouldn't just pick him up-- he needed to take a train to meet them instead. I'd be annoyed if I had a friend who could drive but I had to spend money to get to them instead.

[@stesilaus1688]

I'm fascinated by two details: Andrew's apparent change of personality following his visit to Lancaster University, and the similar disappearance of Alex Sloley. Does anybody know whether Alex Sloley ALSO went on a similar trip to Lancaster University, or on a similar trip to a different university? I believe that the focus of the investigation should be on finding somebody who may have met both Andrew and Alex: - somebody with an interest in mathematically-gifted boys - somebody who has, more than once, attended programs that would have brought that somebody into contact with gifted boys. - somebody who worked at Lancaster University or could have been visiting the university when Andrew visited it.

[@jupiterisaak1004]

They should look into the maths lecturers

[@toxy3580]

They should interview everybody in Britain

[@meggriffin94]

Alex Slolely was very different to Andrew other than being good at Maths

[@stertcraft]

He made them both sound similar, but that's not the case. Also, I'm sure police would've thought of that if that was the case. There are ppl actively working on missing persons cases in London every day from the police force. They're smart and they hardly ever miss a lead.

[@meggriffin94]

Alex was slightly older and more streetwise. He had friends and would stay over at their houses,. He got in trouble with the police for driving a car, as he was underage. He was also due to appear in court around the time he disappeared. One of the pictures on his missing person's page is a mug shot. There were also rumours that he had friends or acquaintances that were involved with gangs.

[@ticesine6589]

I just want to know how they knew the 2 guys took him. They were arrested and then released under surveillance, but what evidence did they find to lead them to these two deadbeats.

[@drewm7370]

The minute you mentioned Lancaster University, I got a funny feeling. I studied there a few years ago and it's an odd place. I had multiple weird interactions with tutors making me feel flirted with/hit on, and Lancs is so far out in the country you feel super isolated... someone there, probably even worked there, has a lot to do with this. I would not let my kid stay there for a camp. Institutions like Lancs are so far up their own arses because of their rep that they hide shady things. They had a massive student s*icide problem they also tried to hide.

[@oscar8799]

That’s crazy

[@UtopiiaProd]

Holy shit

[@tsu08761e]

Unfortunately thats a common experience in a lot of universities

[@jamie8037]

Suicide*

[@tallulahrubymonroe4280]

WOW thanks for sharing x

[@GradKat]

In some ways this makes me think of the case of Breck Bednar, a 14 year old who was groomed by an 18 year old he met through a gaming website. Breck secretly went to meet the predator and was murdered. For anyone who doesn’t know that case, it’s worth investigation. Kids that young are very naive and can be easily duped, as Breck was. It is also an age where a child can be hero-worshipping an older kid (again, as Breck did). It doesn’t necessarily mean the person is gay. I think the idea that Andrew went to meet someone, who had promised him a lift back, seems most feasible to me. I’d like to believe he’s alive somewhere, but if so why would he not have contacted his family? Excellent video, by the way. Subscribed at once!

[@milliewilkie1969]

i remember that case very sad

[@kimsrurallife8775]

Agree with your analysis. I believe he is gone from this earth unfortunately, probably within a short amount of time of when he disappeared. He may have been groomed for sex trafficking. Unfortunately we can only pray god is watching over him. Parents seem very selfish and self absorbed and not at all Christians to me with how passive and without supervision he was being raised. I raised teen boys and know from which I speak.

[@rachaelford5525]

I'd seen this case but I looked into more detail couple weeks ago. It's so sad

[@Natlatify]

@@kimsrurallife8775 They raised a polite, straight A, hardworking student with a flawless school record and overall what sounds like a pretty normal upbringing. In fact Andrew reminds me an lot of my own brother. His home life and school life sounds parallel to mine and my brothers upbringing. Whether or not there was something going on at home/what Andrew had planned - I dont really think we will ever know the ins and outs of, but Andrews parents are pretty local to me and they are still appealing - every year without fail. I dont believe they failed him, or could have done much/anything to prevent what happened. They raised an independent child and there is nothing wrong with giving freedoms to your teenage kids. Generally speaking I believe the more you try and restrict a teenagers freedom, the more they will simply do it behind your back or secretively. Just because you think you're "raising your teenage children right" you truly don't know whats going on behind the scenes. In fact I think giving some independence to teens is invaluable. Being able to navigate London, travel alone etc is a very important skill to have. My own brother was travelling to and from London at age 14 on his own too, as was I with my friends. The independence he was awarded i dont believe played any part in this.

[@KarolinaKotusOfficial]

@@Natlatify clearly there was something wrong… :(

[@xpan195]

I’m honestly certain he was lured by a predator. They really should have looked into that school, Lancaster University, and its 2 week overnight program. And look into every single teacher who taught during that specific program. They could have sent a message to all the families of the kids who attended asking for information. I’ve stayed at overnight camps before- most kids will make friends by the time camp is over, so there must have been a few kids who befriended him and could probably reveal info about any potential teachers/suspects there who were grooming him. Suspects who were acting strangely. Apparently another gifted maths student disappeared 10 months after Andrew. Unfortunately with that knowledge, I highly doubt he is still alive, he would be around 27 today. Saddening.

[@Winthistime777]

Your theory makes a lot of sense.

[@Winthistime777]

That’s the most logical thing I’ve heard concerning the possible person responsible for this. He Was especially happy after leaving the camp or whatever that was. It’s so sad that he has obviously been tricked.

[@lyricberlin]

I am sure they did

[@elyse_was_here_]

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that two gifted and talented children went missing around the same place… they were being targeted whether it was by a child predator who preferred a certain type, their type, for some reason or the government 😳 I think it’s possible he’s still alive but we will likely never know. Gosh I just can’t imagine the feeling of not knowing…. Heartbreaking 💔. I agree with everything you said but of course that would be too much work and effort for them to put in so ya know that wasn’t gonna happen… sadly

[@johnbalmain1797]

Didn't you hear the evidence... he had no email or phone, or contact with anyone online. There was no way he could have. It had to have been the government. Only sophisticated methods could have allowed him to use the PSP as a communication device. He is probably working on some top secret research project or mission.

[@a6703]

The outward appearance, sign of ‘maturity’ is actually hiding real life immaturity - lack of street sense, vulnerability to people using you for their own gains, listening to complete strangers over those who care for you. Often high functioning autism is exactly these behaviours.

[@EmmaDilemma039]

The whole time I got the feeling that he was autistic. Hard to say without knowing him personally.

[@treezues9586]

Yeah, that sounds like how I was

[@rachelmeakin38]

The fact that you are highlighting missing children is amazing and very much needed. Many people get so wrapped up with their own lives, they forget that these kids are missing. As a mom of 3, the thought of never seeing one of them again frightens me so. Keep up the great work. 👍

[@hwlovell]

I saw this case on many shows. It is intriguing in so many respects. It sounds like this kid was just bored with his life and wanted a little excitement. Unfortunately, he probably met up with someone that took advantage of his innocence. I want to think he is still alive. I keep watching these videos hoping for an update in which they found him.

[@ebonydaise9403]

This really hits home for me . My heart goes out to the family and friends . I have 3 children , one is the same age as the boy who went missing . Its so important to talk to your kids no matter how much they want to kind of shut you out .Teens would rather be cool and act like they don't need your advice .but they do always check in with them . Tell them you love them and give them reassurance . This world is cruel enough and they will have a longer time being an adult .Be understanding .

[@daisychain3007]

@@ebonydaise9403 Even if what your children say or feel seems like nonsense to you, listen to them. They are CHILDREN, they are helpless and need your support and guidance, otherwise they might do something regrettable.

[@christoffesedao3579]

@@ebonydaise9403 Humans do whatever they want. Even the ones who have loving parents that lovingly communicate with them.

[@TannerGoated]

Stfu helen you don’t know this kid to just assume he was bored with his life . You making this all about you when a child is missing smh all I see is “ I “

[@mrsrock7641]

@@TannerGoated weren’t you the one saying that the kid isn’t special and we shouldn’t be wasting valuable time? Stick to being a nice little boy, trolling isn’t working out for you Cobi 😂

[@mozesmegyesi6916]

I support this last theory too. Mentioning the Alex Slolely case gives us an even grimmer scenario. You imagine some years later the police find the body of Andrew, Alex and many other boys in someone's back-garden.

[@nes5447]

Everyone Chicha

[@wendybryan6071]

So sad. Even if he's alive today (very unlikely), he's been abused and exploited for years. The theory that he met someone at uni who lured him to London makes perfect sense. Parents everywhere need to have these tough conversations with their children. No matter how mature a child might seem, they are by nature vulnerable. They need to be accepted, lived and supported by their parents whether they're gay, straight or trans. It's incumbent on adults to behave responsibly.

[@space_4736]

Trans?😂

[@space_4736]

@@Carnagecadavar122 sorry I don’t support pretend

[@space_4736]

@@Carnagecadavar122 except that has nothing to do with the missing kid in the video. I was responding to the comment that guy made.

[@space_4736]

@@Carnagecadavar122 yes making sure gender dysphoria people are getting the help they need is human rights.

[@space_4736]

@@Carnagecadavar122 lol no I don’t mean unnatural sex change surgery😂 I mean mental health treatment. Everyone deserves help!!

[@possumbold]

Andrew fits all the typical points for being on the Asperger Spectrum. Intelligent, liked a routine, didn’t stay over with friends - and as described, no ‘street smarts’. It’s an ear ear I worked in for 20 years and on my first day of teaching as a mature age teacher I identified someone with Autusm on that first morning with the class, but I shut up when the principal said there was no one with autism in that class. A couple of years later he phoned me and said he had been diagnosed with autism and asked me how I knew and why I didn’t argue more about it. I told him I’d been a special aide for 17 years and loved working with students on the spectrum, as to why, I was the brand new kid on the block. Anyway, Andrew, in my opinion, given that another boy disappeared in such a similar manner some time afterwards, would indicate someone he’d met at that 2 week gifted study camp or school. He came home very happy, unusual for him. I get that he had no phone, but children and adults were abducted long before mobile phones! Perhaps he was groomed in some way and urged to go to London in secrecy. I’d be looking at whether the other gifted student also attended something like it. It’s hard for most Aspies to lie. They’re more likely to omit a fact than to lie. I suppose all of this was checked out after the second boy went missing. It might seem the bleeding obvious, but in 2 weeks a teacher or even another student could get to know them well. It’s also a good cover for writing a letter. I hope that Andrew turns up one day. As for the charger, perhaps he knew someone who had one already, as it doesn’t make sense otherwise. I really think it was someone he knew and that person wanted to make it look as though he’d run away. That’s my 5 cents worth. Good work to the detective who found him in the footage, especially as they couldn’t be sure of what he was wearing. No one would know what was missing from my wardrobe. I really feel for the family and hope they get their son back - one way or another. They look like a lovely family. Their daughter lost her only sibling, her only brother and that’s sad. I’m sure their energy and prayers are spent trying to work out what went wrong.

[@RainbirdKarin]

ASD was my first thought too.

[@rissiuniverse2072]

yeah, i felt the same way about the kid being on the spectrum when about 5 minutes in

[@puppiesarepower3682]

I guess that means he went in search of Thomas the Tank or Gryffindor then.

[@businesszeus6864]

except asperger hasn’t been a diagnosis for a decade and most people with ASD will genuinely get mad at you for using it

[@rissiuniverse2072]

@@businesszeus6864 that’s true. it has some serious negative connotations to it now (and i didn’t know about it when i had replied).

[@HighwaymanYwain]

Since the kid didn't partake in social media or even care about Internet at all, the burner phone theory is definitely possible: I believe he met someone at the university convention who was also into heavy metal bands (or claimed to be) and probably invited him to attend a concert or something, telling Andrew he would have offered him a ride home. This is because Andrew allegedly had many relatives in London, but apparently he never contacted anyone of them to ask for a ride: like you said, it is likely they would have alerted his family. Furthermore, Andrew did not purchase a return ticket, so he was probably depending on a third party to get back home. I agree that he planned to return to his family that same day, and that is why he didn't take the charger or the birthday money: he probably withdrew the £200 to buy the train ticket, and maybe a concert ticket as well. Also, the reason he had to take a train to come to London was because the person that groomed him was very careful about not leaving a trail, thus preventing possible witnesses from seeing Andrew board someone's car, and also knew King's Cross station was littered with CCTV, so it's possible the groomer invented some excuse as to why he wasn't able to come and get him by car. Maybe they arranged a meeting in some shady, reserved location and that was it: after all if I recall correctly, his parents themselves claimed that Andrew was 'lacking street smarts'.

[@Justmonika6969]

Unfortunately, I think this is the most plausible theory. The most concerning bit of information is that his own father said that he lacked street smarts, which means that while he was a smart kid, he didn't understand the dangers of the streets and of other individuals. It is very likely he was tricked by a pedo, abducted, and likely in the dirt somewhere. I believe stories like this should be a warning taught to children and teens. As we can see from this case, not even teens are safe.

[@nicola9557]

I believe that!!

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

Social media didn't exist in 2007.

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

The uni trip was a year before.

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

@@yupyup2347 Skype isn't social media. Facebook didn't get big until around 2007-10. Phones, up until 10 years ago (with the advent of the Smart/Iphone) were just phones. You used them for texting and phone calls. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

[@TeeJayDeluxe]

I think this sounds right. Someone took advantage of this child and did him harm. It’s so horrible but probably the case. All we can do is hope we find out who this person is! Someone knows.

[@darkprinceofdorne]

The amount of sick people is much bigger than we think. And yes I think he was lured by someone. In the footage he appears as if he is looking for someone at the train station. I’ve encountered a bazillion weirdos and psychos in my teen years, being the "cute boy". And gosh dang if not for my super sayan survival instincts and intuition (common sense), then I would be so dead and missing.

[@anunknownperson4018]

@@darkprinceofdorne hmmm since he is a boy who likes bands maybe the person who took him promised to take him to a concert?

[@abcdefg2912]

Whoever took him was lucky to have such an innocent, young cute and tiny boy. hmm😏

[@z3lu54]

@@abcdefg2912wtf

[@Cvrtoon2494]

@@abcdefg2912 bro u mad weird, im seeing ur comments wth

[@Johnnynbk]

Agree that the university trip played some part in this, even as simple as opening his horizons to doing new things. Tragic results.

[@bec5250]

Hang on, did the police not check his game log and conversations on the Playstation?? That is exactly where he will have met a predator - someone who spent time gaming with him, got to know his interests, and then suggested they get together for a concert, or a gaming session. If they didn't, it's a major, major oversight.

[@RDR2Jammy1337]

Didn’t he have an Xbox 360? And there’s a chance they talked in an Xbox Party and not through text if there was anyone luring him to London.

[@danomo675]

They’ve covered all this in other documentaries nothing was found

[@CitrusMenace]

@@RDR2Jammy1337 the thing is, Andrew did have a psp as we know he took it to London. As I recall, on the old psp's you could get on the Internet on them like on a browser. Is it possible he was using the Internet on the psp and maybe visiting a chatroom or something like that? The police supposedly checked his sony account for any messages etc but would they have been able to check what he was doing on the Internet on the psp? For me this is a really important clue which could suggest why he went to London and how he got groomed

[@carltonthepug]

They now arrested two people in connection with his disappearance. Hopefully they can help with finding out what happened to him.

[@kimberlytippen4436]

Really please past a link to read about this case.

[@zaperator4449]

Any link please ?

[@scamhunter2346]

Send the link about the information you said.

[@selinisykes6298]

link plsss

[@barclay0876]

@@scamhunter2346 Just search his name up

[@bina7513]

It is also possible that Andrew was being preyed upon. Sometimes victims of predators have drastic personality and/or routine changes. Predators are sneaky and can pop up anywhere - including home, school, train, concerts, online, etc. A predator could have gotten into contact with Andrew and probably convinced him to do the unusual things if the predator was encountered prior to the concert. The idea of this hypothesis is based on the parents stating that he had little streets smarts. You can have book smarts and lack street smarts. I am one of them myself. I am very smart, but I lack street smarts and I am very naive. Andrew could have also encountered the predator on the way to the concert, at the concert, and/or while leaving the concert. He could have been offered a ride to and/or from the concert by a predator. I pray that these children are found and that their families and friends receive closure. I wish that tv shows and movies didn't create the 24 hour myth, especially when shows like Criminal Minds state that the fact about the first 48 hours being critical in finding a child at least alive. The 24 hour myth never made any sense to me because that only leaves 24 hours to have a higher probability to find a child alive and that each and every single second counts - during and after the first 48 hours (because sometimes there are deviations and outliers who may be more likely to either cause the child to die sooner or keep the child alive for much, much longer for things that are horrifying like forced "marriages" - which I am basing off the fact some episodes of crime shows are based off real cases and one episode of Criminals Minds (Season 4 Episode 12) called "Bloodlines" had this happen with young girls and I think it is plausible for even boys to be abducted for similar reasons as the girls were being abducted in that episode). As for online interactions, some sites and social media don't require accounts. Some examples being 4Chan, 8Kun/8Chan, Discord (at least years ago around the time Andrew disappeared), etc. Overall, great video. You did fantastic on examining this case.

[@billsmoke3929]

I think the fact you've identified that you lack street smarts means you're more together than you give yourself credit for :)

[@-_YouMayFind_-]

i DOnt think he was preyed upon. He was alone in the train and he was alone at the pizza place

[@Catlily5]

@@-_YouMayFind_-Unfortunately, he could have been preyed upon later.

[@abcdefg2912]

i would take him too, he looks so tiny and submissive and adorable

[@あかり-j5x8z]

@@abcdefg2912 Wtf

[@onerichartist]

I wonder if he went to see the band, was refused entry, then was picked up outside the establishment by a predator who drives by clubs looking for drunk or vulnerable men and women. Perhaps offering a ride home.?

[@vivienneandersson6019]

When I was 14 I desperately wanted to go to a gig in London and knew I wouldn't be allowed as it was a school night plus I would have to miss school to travel to London so I planned to just go without telling anyone and face the consequences when I got home which would have been very serious as the concert would have finished after the last tran but I figured it would be worth it, in the end it was sold out so that was that

[@PeakedInterest]

You're the second person who said that makes me even more certain that was his plan

[@Dseraph1808]

What concert was it out of curiosity lol

[@vivienneandersson6019]

@@Dseraph1808 Take That, seriously

[@vivienneandersson6019]

@@missvida6251 who are you addressing?

[@lindagoodswin9519]

@@PeakedInterest did i read somewhere that a person who looked like Andrew was seen at the gig in London but they was never sure it was him.

[@lauren189]

This story is so sad someone definitely took advantage of Andrew and harmed him in some sort of way I hope one day we can find out what actually happened

[@xenaapb5637]

This is a truly disturbing case.. not sure what happened to Andrew but the fact they never found anyone in hospital matching his description sends shivers down my spine.. i’d like to to think he has his own flat somewhere and is living happily but I honestly and truly believe that someone did something so awful that they made sure that he would never be seen again.

[@graciesinclair305]

When a quiet or depressed kid suddenly becomes cheerful you gotta watch them carefully. I think someone kidnapped him.

[@duncan3932]

And the other way around you’ve gotta watch them

[@imperfectangel9587]

100% agree!! I reckon he met the person who 'groomed' him at the 2 week trip that he came home from with the change in personality. They were whom he had planned to meet in London never to be seen again.... 😞

[@imperfectangel9587]

@@duncan3932 100% agree!!

[@cube252002]

@@imperfectangel9587yeah, maybe a boy his age that he liked who he discovered was like him, liked him back and “groomed” him into being his boyfriend for the trip, hence his horrible, never seen before attitude of happiness and joy in life! 🙄

[@imperfectangel9587]

@@cube252002 Yes maybe that is very possible. I was thinking possibly an adult mentor? Just a thought....