The 14 year old who mysteriously boarded a train and never returned

[@brandyjean7015]

"He has now been missing, longer than he had been around" As the Mom of two grown sons, I count my blessings.

[@ItsKrma00]

Same here. We don't know how blessed (or lucky) we are oftentimes.

[@midnightfenrir]

Yeah. Lost my 21 year old brother when I was 16. 37 now. In my mind he's always going to be my older brother. Surreal.

[@brandyjean7015]

@@midnightfenrir so sorry for that loss.

[@VidMashUp]

Don't count too soon. It could happen any day. Lots of messed up people out there. You're never safe.

[@VidMashUp]

@@midnightfenrir Was he abducted? That's really terrible.

[@mandalorianmama]

I am absolutely gobsmacked at the lack of work by police in this case. It took 27 DAYS to review CCTV at the train station??? And 6 WEEKS to even try to check CCTV nearby???? WTAF they should be ashamed

[@Neppy22]

This is the thing about this case that upsets me the most. London is COVERED in cameras, its kind of their thing, how did they not follow a lost CHILD through all those cameras?!?!?

[@Salmakia77]

Not surprised. The incompetence of the police is often very strong.

[@murraymclean9072]

Police policy always fall back on the runaway theory..until it's to late.

[@muddydog6605]

London has the largest amount of cctv cameras outside of Asia. Seems they are only there to spy on people not protect them.

[@gimzod76]

Modern British policing at it's finest. Sir Robert Peel is turning in his grave.

[@christinaspiridou5429]

The idea of his dad showing up to live shows hoping to find his son made me sob. I literally broke down crying. I hope Andrew is okay and i wish for no one to have to go through this, ever.

[@DonDidThatt]

Foreal man. I can just imagine going crazy in those shows looking for a needle in a haystack. I hope they get closure one day

[@MishKoz]

It genuinely made me tear up too. It doesn't help that it comes right after the part where Andrew's father made statements through the media saying "We'll love you unconditionally, no matter what."

[@MissLibra-ce8qe]

So glad you covered Andrew’s case. Nobody just simply “disappears” I honestly believe he was groomed…a predator pretending to be the same age as him persuaded him to meet up in London for the day…don’t worry about a return ticket, my mum/dad will take you home, don’t worry about your PSP charger, I have one, don’t worry about a change of clothes, the less you bring the less obvious it is you’re bunking off school etc. Another case I would love you to cover is that of Claudia Lawrence. She disappeared from my home town of York, North Yorkshire in 2009. Never seen or heard from since.

[@katherine9109]

I think that's the best theory too - that he was lured to London. but where is the evidence of him communicating with the person? can't believe the cops left the 'transit cops' to look through the cctv. AND that no one at all looked at all the other cctv for A MONTH !!! I really hate unsolved cases. a warning oughta be required.🤨

[@outlawJosieFox]

​@@katherine9109Warning from Casefile you mean ?

[@outlawJosieFox]

Sadly I agree. Being academically clever doesn't make one street wise and even a decade ago people were largely unaware of predation via the internet.

[@janeE011]

I wholeheartedly agree with you! Andrew didn't just disappear. Also, Claudia Lawrences case bothers me considerably. It's that combination of men she'd dated mixed with the ctv footage of some guy near her house the night before and the ctv footage of the man on the road she walked in the mornings to work. All around creepy!!😮

[@rachelmdiamond]

@@katherine9109I was in high school the same time as Andrew, and maybe things are different in American schools, but we had access to a ton of different computers. There were easily a dozen in our school library, we might have also still had a computer lab, and sometimes teachers would rent a cart of laptops to work on during class. I talked to people all over the world on those, and how would that have been tracked if I met them while I was on Computer 11 in the library, had a few conversations on Laptop X in class, and a few more on my friend’s computer at their house?

[@ZeroNiteLite]

I think he intended to return home, he barely took anything with him. He withdrew the money from his bank but left the birthday money in his room, if you were running away surely youd take as much money as you could... I think maybe he didn't want his parents to see he took / spent the birthday money in his room, so he withdrew it from his bank as they wouldn't be able to see it. In my opinion he had every intention of returning home. I think he planned to meet someone in London, whether he met them online or even through the uni scheme he attended in the summer. He went to meet someone who lured him in saying they could do something Andrew liked in London and he met with foul play.

[@louiseharraway2599]

that summer camp was the year before.

[@leopardontheboat8252]

massive serial killer/child trafficker vibes

[@VidMashUp]

None of it really makes any sense. TBH, I can't think of a.scenario that fits ALL the pieces of evidence.

[@tessmoore3762]

He didn't by a return ticket though so he didn't plan on returning too soon.

[@k.ohalloran8758]

@@tessmoore3762- maybe someone told him that they would drive him back home?

[@lareinabrown]

Kudos to the parents for being so open minded about what might have happened to Andrew, despite the hell they were going through. They genuinely seem like great parents and I hope wherever Andrew is at, it’s peaceful

[@deborahprkn]

They are lovely people ❤

[@PointNemo9]

Unlike the parents of another prolific British missing child who seem to know exactly what "happened".

[@Grazzmazzium]

​@@PointNemo9wait who?

[@PointNemo9]

@@Grazzmazzium The most famous missing child case in Britain

[@PointNemo9]

@@Grazzmazzium Who went missing in the country next to Spain

[@lindasue8719]

I can't imagine the sick, sick feeling THE REST OF YOUR LIFE knowing that your child is missing, and compounded by how poorly the police handled your case. I don't know them and I'm on the other side of the planet and it makes me physically hurt.

[@amyfletcher1161]

The loss of all the CCTV footage broke my soul in two. Why, WHY so long to act?

[@suzbone]

I read that the police looked over the footage early but didn't see him, and someone re-watched it and spotted him the second time, a month later. 😢

[@jariel863]

@@suzboneif that’s the case that’s awful… where did you hear about that source??

[@LK-ij7kc]

In my opinion, Andrew knew more about internet than we think. He met someone from online in London.

[@melissaharris3389]

My thoughts is he met someone through game chat online that groomed him and the IRL meetup was a ruse.

[@hannahwarner8832]

Police checked all that and there is no evidence.

[@collinchristensen7405]

Seems most likely. In 20 years we'll hear about this boy being one of many victims of some depraved sex pest that preyed upon naive children online.

[@lars7747]

very likely, on online dating apps ive seen a lot of VERY sketchy profiles.

[@jillianrockford]

I think it was someone who didn’t have to communicate with him on line because they saw him in person. I think he was groomed by someone at school or another place he frequented.

[@andrewrobertson3894]

I've watched & read things over the years where parents & siblings have explained that it would actually be preferable for them to locate the child's dead body because that way, at least the family could get some sort of closure ...rather than be left dealing with the perpetual gaping wounds caused by a vanished child.

[@tessmoore3762]

My youngest brother went missing. He was found dead 10 days later, he had drown. It was hell for 10 days. We knew he was probably gone to us for ever, but my older brothers tried to convince everyone that he had been kidnapped and they would get him back and wreak havoc an the perps. For me that was worse to think about. I knew if he had died he would be in Heaven, but if he was alive and kidnapped the horrors were too much to think about. He was as special little guy who loved everyone. This was 40 years ago.

[@FrankSessano]

Absolutely, the lack of answers is excruciating. Those parents most definitely live every day wondering what happened, lay awake at night wondering if he’s still alive out there somewhere, looking up at the same moon they are. ABSOLUTE torture, I feel so terrible for these parents… I don’t have any children but you don’t have to to know that the pain they feel is probably other worldly terrible.

[@suzbone]

​@tessmoore3762 so sorry for your loss 🙏 😢

[@Enoo-Wynn]

That's tragic. I'm so sorry.​@@tessmoore3762

[@mikahperez3480]

Something about his case is very reminiscent to the case of Alicia Navarro. She completely disappeared without a trace at 13 and showed up at 19 in a police station asking to be taken off the missing persons list.

[@ITSONLYMEWATCHING]

Yeah but he's been missing almost 20 years. He is probably gone.

[@MalonsMilk]

Andrew went to a summer camp and came back really excitable and happy. I have since found out that the summer camp was at Lancaster university which I went to at the same time. He would have been given his own room with a landline phone. The phones also worked on an internal system meaning you could ring anyone on the university for free with no evidence of who you rang or who rang you. Maybe he was groomed by one of the adults or young people there and spent some time talking to him on the internal phone. Nobody would know about the secret relationship and a meeting could be planned quite easily. The fact that he went a different path home makes me wonder if he passed a phone box and could have called the person up to make sure that he wasn’t going to turn up and be on his own in London. I also think he tried to buy time by tricking his parents into thinking that he had come home. I think he knew he would be back late and therefore picked this option. He may also have been a bit confused with the trains as he might have not known what time he was returning and at that time you weren’t allowed to board a train if you were a child during peak times due to it being rush hour and you were using a discounted scheme. I hope police have checked these avenues.

[@romy_edits]

Very good points.

[@nickjung7394]

What a shambolic performance by the police!

[@Jean-rg4sp]

They should have called in The Yard.

[@gsw8734]

What else were they supposed too do?

[@chrissiestevens1001]

The parents last remarks are so descriptive that I can horrifyingly imagine what they are going through. Such a sad story.

[@TheDyingPlant]

Andrews case is so haunting because it’s just so unclear and gives you nothing but more questions the more you look into it. The more you focus on one particular possibility the more feasible that one seems, but this happens no matter what outcome you examine with each of the main possibilities all having points supporting and against them. God help his parents they have such amazing strength.

[@FirleFranzi181]

the fact that the police would ignore a possible sighting of a missing child for SIX WEEKS is horrible...

[@louiseharraway2599]

A teacher of Andrews had killed themselves the week before. I always wondered if that had any relevance

[@Holy.HannaH]

Thats interesting to know, thanx for sharing..

[@erm492]

Interesting but… suicide is extremely common unfortunately. Probably nothing more than a coincidence I think.

[@Holy.HannaH]

@@erm492 definitely possible but it may well have affected his psyche in a way that completely altered the way he decided to go about life.

[@muddydog6605]

Were they male or female do you know?

[@mike04574]

Name or evidence?

[@chesspiece81]

I remember this case. I've always wondered what happened to him because it was such a weird disappearance.

[@everibarovski7963]

My theory is that this young man met with foul play his bank accounts not touched red flag. Never contacting his family another red flag. He was intelligent a good student. I feel for the family not knowing what happened to him. He was only 14 when he left his family. There are too many theories speculation but I believe he is no longer alive unfortunately.

[@katherine9109]

sadly yes. foul play's the best theory.

[@katherine9109]

and the monster got away with it. 😔

[@raginbaby]

It’s such a devastating case and feels so cruel that the family has no answers to this day. I’m praying that Andrew is at peace and that the family finally get the truth. What a terrible state of grief and suspense to have to live in 💖

[@ChrisMacheteMusic]

I hope the teachers and mentors were investigated from his summer camp. Seems like a changing point in Andrew. He could have been groomed or tricked from there?

[@jay_rubyx]

I too thought about this angle when they mentioned him suddenly stopping going to church and scouts citing “boredom” as the reason. Not that one couldn’t become bored with those things, but groomers and pedos are in both of those organizations.

[@Faizasmith-pj4dz]

Didn't another boy from same camp go missing?.

[@kingofhearts3185]

@@Faizasmith-pj4dz Yup, I remember that detail from another video. Nothing ever came of it though, not publicly anyway.

[@Enoo-Wynn]

​@@Faizasmith-pj4dzWhat, Could you please give some more info?

[@cynthiagibson6793]

I experienced that momentary horror once years ago. Never want to feel that again. Even the memory of it still causes me to go weak.

[@texastea5686]

I'm sorry 😢

[@mads597]

I for some reason had thought Charlotte was younger than Andrew, it’s poignant to know she was seventeen and lost her little brother

[@katherine9109]

I was thinking how amazing that the vicar saved the father..!!! can we even imagine what it would have done to mom and sis to have lost him too... (and one of them would have found him...)

[@ArohaStill]

​@@katherine9109it is absolutely sickening what they went through with police

[@nervosadustbolt9642]

@@katherine9109 Lmfao! The Vicar! It reminded me of the show " Keeping Up Appearance's " It was a British sitcom in the early 90's.. I think it started around 1990. Hyacinth always wanted Richard to call the Vicar. hahahahahahaha

[@hannahbaxter8825]

This is the most in depth version of this case that I've ever heard. I'm not finished yet but its perfectly paced audio story telling. Subscribed.

[@BucketHeadianHagg]

Casefile Presents - I gotta tell ya man, I’m so blown away by how good this was. You’re such an excellent story teller!

[@watchdog8058]

i feel so bad for andrew’s parents. i cannot imagine how hard this must be for them!

[@donnablack6280]

This case has always bothered me. Not taking a charger, one-way ticket. I feel like Andrew might have been diagnosed as autistic these days and just made a terrible impulsive mistake. London is no place for the naive.

[@NemFX]

Honestly, the no return ticket isn't that weird. He was going to a concert, he probably wasn't sure when it'd be done, so he didn't want to commit. He could have gotten a ticket the next morning no problem.

[@carolball5764]

@@NemFXI think the difference was something like 50p wasn’t it? I would have gotten a return myself..

[@NemFX]

@@carolball5764 depends who's reporting, I've heard .50, .60, and 1£. Regardless, I imagine he planned to get a train or bus the next day instead

[@melinaesposito3434]

He had been to London many times before and has family there. What LE needed to do was scour and release CCTV footage right away, not 21 days later.

[@katherine9109]

​@@NemFX he was going to a concert? thought that was just a theory? and the no return ticket DOES seem odd to me too. only because the employee said she tried to encourage him to get it, but he was adamant. I always - even at his age - made sure to set up my way home. then I could spend every penny I had if I wanted and not haffta be constantly calculating in my head. but that's me. who knows what was in Andrew's head. don't we all wish we did...

[@JoanWhack]

I’m the same age as Andrew. Andrew may have used proxy websites at the time. When I was in school I got past the blocked sites by using proxies to access MySpace, my email, and msn; without leaving a trace. I didn’t have the internet at home or a computer, so my parents never knew I had social media. There were many ways around the net nanny systems, and I feel Andrew may have done the same. The reliance on social media wasn’t as important at this time so going hours even days without wasn’t uncommon. I personally believe that Andrew ran away because of his academic success and that he didn’t want it. I’ve also seen accounts that contradict the parents, he was bullied at school. To me, his parents aren’t telling the truth of their own behaviour towards him. They come across as prideful people, and put an image on for outsiders to protect their own ego. The same attitude that would have pushed Andrew away, and seeing interviews exhibiting this behaviour, may have kept him away. This is simply my take, and I could be incredibly wrong.

[@jacekatalakis8316]

At least in my area (same general part of the country as Andrew), the school's IT people trusted the net nanny stuff entirely and at this time, proxy sites were very, very easy to find and use, it was literally put in the URL and it'd proxy you right past the net nanny filters as well, so Andrew did not need to be a l33t h4x0r to get past the school's web filters. I do agree and think he was bullied but did not tell anyone. I know people I keep in contact with some 20 years later who were bullied at secondary school but never told anyone because of a lot of reasons, and you make a good point about how they act in interviews. Given recent events with the Met, I can't shake the feeling that they are involved somehow, we've had the whole news about that now jailed officer who abducted and killed Sarah Everard, and that the Met have been corrupt for a long, long time, I just can't shake the feeling the Met are involved in some way. Having been to King's Cross station about ten years ago give or take, it is not easy to get around or a friendly place at all. It is easy to get lost in or have someone grab you and not notice, especially in a crowd though as well given how busy King's Cross station and other rail stations in London are, both main line and Tube.

[@kokosagina]

I didn't catch anything that would paint his parents as selfish or prideful. They appealed to him saying that they wouldn't ask any questions if he returned and they loved him to matter what Also, if he really did have interest in social media... Why did he refuse getting a phone as a birthday gift? Makes no sense

[@antares6664]

Lmao you unlocked my memory. I’m on the internet since I was very little, by the time I was 8 it was around 2012 and I played a game called stardoll. There were special gifts for diferent places, so I would easily change proxy so I could have access to them. So yeah, truly easy. I also think it is a bit strange that they were such a happy family, often neighbours of psych*s go in public to say they never suspected nothing, and they we’re exemplary members of the community. I think the truth is in between, not bad but not perfect parents.

[@antares6664]

@@kokosaginaIf he was being struct by an adult, then it would make sense to not have a phone. Honestly I think it’s pretty weird that he didn’t even had an email account.

[@Mil-vh7hb]

I personally believe that the "Andyroo" account was him, if he was being bullied then in a moment of fury he decided to run away. People at school could've been saying things like "I know your sister, Charlotte, she always says how much her and your family hate you." or just driving him to a point of running away, over the years he was gone he may have turned cold this would partially explain him saying "I just felt like it" when he was asked why he ran away. Obviously this may not be the case but this is just my opinion. I hope that one day they'll find him or he leaves a note saying he's okay, I wish the family well. I can't imagine how hard it would be losing your son and having evidence but barely any, the security footage is so frustrating and I wish the police acted faster. This channel has shed light and provided a lot more information than other sources, I hope more people can find this and be educated. Thanks for creating this as it may help :)

[@arstulex]

The problem with this theory is that it doesn't explain how a 14 year old child would have been able to support themselves completely off the grid like that for so long. If he had gone to any sort of institution set up to help people like that then he would have been flagged up at some point during the awareness campaigns. A job is out of the question because of his age and the fact that he would have been paid via bank account. I just don't believe a 14 year old could support themselves like that without using a bank account and without seeking any support services.

[@vcall6121]

This entire video I just listened not sure how I felt about this being a dad myself and then nearing the end of the video when he mentioned that the dad continues to nurture the acorns that grew into oak trees he planted them and even replanted them, out of nowhere this gripped me so hard I literally just cried it immediately overwhelmed me. I hate to say this but I don’t think Andrew is with us anymore and it’s so sad that even kids with all the love in the world and little to no pressure still can become lost forever.

[@truthylucy7068]

I agree. I believe he went for the day & was planning on returning but met with foul play.

[@LadyVesuvius]

This case has bothered me for years, thank you for covering it so well. I have seen many interviews with Andrews father, who is simply amazing, as are the entire family. I did hope the recent lead would bring answers, but sadly, another brick wall. I do hope this is solved and the family get answers.

[@techtitanuk5609]

Police screwed up big time. Too slow

[@mythologystar1365]

I’ve always wanted Casefile to cover Andrew Gosden. It’s one of those cases that’s always lingered in the back of my mind for many years… and now it’s only recently that there’s been sudden developments!

[@melinaesposito3434]

There are no developments. The investigation is back to day one. The men who had images of Andrew on their phones were released without charge.

[@deborahprkn]

​@@melinaesposito3434That is incorrect.

[@CurtRowlett]

This has probably been said by many others, but "Anonymous Host" has one of the most pleasing speaking voices of any podcast host that I listen to. I have been a subscriber to Casefile for many years and it is a top notch program. Thank you for continuing to provide such high quality content.

[@Aniz-zs9yn]

this case breaks my heart in a way different than most. he seemed like a such a nice boy, with an incredibly promising future and loving parents. hearing how much hurt the family has gone through following his disappearance is awful.

[@Anna-Jade]

Another teenage boy that went missing in the kings cross area of London was Martin Allen in 1979. Just like Andrew, he disappeared without trace. Also, it is worth mentioning that Islington was home to one of Britain's biggest child abuse rings back in the 70s and 80s. Kings Cross is in the Islington area of London. EVERY childrens 'care home' in Islington had been infiltrated by paedos. Needless to say, no-one was ever brought to justice for what happened to the children of Islington, and no doubt those evil child traffickers were still at large when poor Andrew went missing. I pray that Andrew didn't fall in to their clutches, but I guess we will never know. I feel so sad for his poor parents and sister.

[@sandyperkins237]

YES!! there was story of boys being passed around and a Carnival one of the victims had been too.

[@Metztli22]

Scares me this case, I ran away from home in Manchester. To london when I was 14 and slept in Trafalgar Square for nearly two weeks. With age and hindsight I shiver thinking what could of happened too me! Edit: I forgot to mention i ran away the weekend before Andrew did.

[@GuessMyName234]

Then what happened ?

[@TimTimAg]

I couldn't possibly imagine what a family goes through when a family member goes missing, especially a child with no closure this is really sad .

[@coht12]

Watching this, not realizing we are the same age until the end of the video. Thinking about that, back when I was 13/14 years old, I now recall wanting to run away far from my hometown and from everyone else. But that was because my family members were mostly violent. Now that I am turning 31 soon, I hope Andrew whether or not he's alive, is living/resting in peace.

[@user-lk2qf4rt3m]

There are people hanging out at London train stations all day looking for runaways.

[@ChrisBeenDeadInside4WhileNow]

Jesus Christ, are you serious ?!?! Intentions of trafficking? Or what are they intending to do ? I live in Portland Oregon and it is INSANE the amount of women who simply disappear here into thin air

[@Ann-sj4pt]

Lots of s ex traffiking in the UK including children sadly

[@MsVanorak]

well that is what sidney cooke and his 'ring' were doing. (jason swift, etc.) getting runaway boys and making them rent boys working in leicester square area. just because they locked up a few doesn't mean they stopped the whole trade.

[@KatarinaCherryRain]

Thanks for covering Andrew’s case! I’d actually never heard his story before, but then again the Madeleine McCann case was front page of every newspaper, everyday, for what felt like years. Feels like his disappearance was overshadowed by hers. I hope wherever he is, he’s at peace. Great video!

[@petermochnacki4810]

The £200 had to be spent on something Andrew's family would later approve of. Going to London for a couple of hours suggests it was to inspect a purchase. An important point is that Andrew's parents were not tech savvy therefore Andrew would not necessarily discuss the intended purchase of say a laptop. Specially if he was duped into a bargain buy with travel incentives.

[@ellebee6712]

Don’t forget he refused a return ticket.

[@threadle]

Whenever I see coverage on these kinds of cases I always have to cast some amount of doubt on how parents/teachers describe the people (especially teenagers) that go missing. Loving parents can be surprisingly out of touch with their children, so there's a fair chance that Andrew was interested in social media, that he did struggle with mental health, that he wouldn't have told his sister about his problems, etc. etc. Not implying that inaccuracies come from a place of malice, but as someone from a loving and supportive home, there were countless things my parents and big sister didn't know about me at 14. "He wouldn't do that" is almost never something a parent can be 100% right about

[@yetiyarnworks6578]

Ditto me when I was 14. I was never my true self around them because my parents were (and still are) judgemental and I knew my big sister would tell them whatever I told her. To this day I don't have a close relationship with her due to that.

[@Aaaaaaaalonika]

Exactly. 14 year old me knew a hell of a lot more about the world than my family knew I did. But I chalk that up to my extensive use of the internet which Andrew didn’t seem to have access to. Maybe he did at school though or maybe he had other means of getting on the internet that his family didn’t know about.

[@mrsharrington.7017]

Yes I agree, I was bullied at school my teachers and parents didn't know and my dad even worked at the school.

[@svetlanaandrasova6086]

I absolutely agree. I for example, back in school, hid from my parents how bullied I was and that I even thought of suicide.

[@andrewemery4272]

South Yorkshire Police; not the sharpest tool in the box.

[@nervosadustbolt9642]

Do you know them? Do they call you at home?

[@jsmith5509]

That Andy-Roo incident has been the closest lead yet.

[@aprilmiskella2871]

The parents describing their heart wrenching pain that never ends is truly heartbreaking as all families of our missing will feel 💔

[@EventHoriXZ0n]

Okay so I heard about this case on another channel with a much shorter video. I’ve listened to this entire video. My mind has not changed. There’s no evidence for him being gay, trans, abused, groomed or any other nonsense I constantly see in the comments on this case, especially those things being the reason why he left home. There IS evidence for him being autistic. Turning down a phone for an Xbox instead, keeping to himself, limited verbal communication and socialization, as well as being able to easily identify likes and dislikes (and more I can’t think off the top of my head) is all evidence that he was probably autistic. What this means is that he wasn’t talking to anyone online. People with ASD rarely, if ever, betray their own values, and it’s practically impossible to get them to do something they don’t want to do. There’s NO chance he was getting groomed by some mysterious online presence. I can’t emphasize this enough- if the kid couldn’t even be caught on the only laptop in the house, he was not speaking to strangers online. As for the remaining pieces of evidence- I agree with the sentiment that he planned on returning home, probably very soon after departing. The only piece of evidence against this is the refusal to buy a return ticket on the train. However, this could easily be explained away. It may be possible that he either had a plan to get home a different way, to something like not wanting to keep track of it while he was away. I personally believe he went for a concert in the city, but whatever the reason he went voluntarily for his own purposes. What happened? Either foul play or a fatal accident. Narrator mentions the river that goes through London. By coincidence, Lazy Masquerade, another KZbin channel, mentioned the same river in a video of his recently, and said that river, on average, has a body wash up on it once a week. Lots of people’s bodies get discovered weeks to months after drowning, and some people never get discovered in that river. The fact that a body was found during their private search is actually EXTREMELY unremarkable. So as it stands, it was either a freak accident that no one was around for or heard or saw, or an opportunistic criminal taking advantage of a young kid alone in the streets. The only other thing that stood out was the Andyru account, which was extremely interesting. It’s either a screwed up person attempting to troll or mess with the investigation, knowing about the case (the £200 figure emerged in the conversation quite conveniently), or, by some crazy miracle that could actually be him, as the way the conversation was described is actually pretty consistent with what you would expect with someone with autism to sound like. Anyway that’s my totally-legit expert armchair analysis.

[@Domus_Maximus]

First video of yours I've watched, and honestly, really good! A well edited and engrossing hour without the usual self-involvement or flogging of Aliexpress headphones. Subbed!

[@JaniceKing-dy6wc]

Every time anything about Andrew comes up, i just cry

[@Faizasmith-pj4dz]

❤

[@dihuxtable7075]

I think he was groomed he was extremely clever but not street smart and the sa that happen. Andrew if you are hiding out please contact missing persons. You are truly missed

[@danrobinson572]

I agree ☝️

[@personalcheeses8073]

With respect, you have no idea how street smart he was for his age. Even street smart people come a cropper

[@danrobinson572]

@@personalcheeses8073 them kind are better that the college smart ass

[@katherine9109]

I too think lured... and the monster got away with it. I hope he tried it again and got caught and at least got what he deserves. but Andrew's poor, poor family... 😔

[@katherine9109]

@@personalcheeses8073I think @dihuxtable7075 was merely repeating what was said: that Andrew was not (or not very) street smart. but you are correct. even the most street smart can still be conned. poor boy... 😔

[@threeleafclover6003]

I don't think this is worth sending to any tip lines or anything but I'm a south Lincolnshire resident (specifically the Spalding and Boston areas) and having seen the updated versions of his missing poster specifically the one with the short hair and glasses I'm certain I've seen someone who looks exactly like that, almost definitely a different person but when you mentioned the Andy roo stuff in Lincoln I genuinely got shivers down my spine, next time I'm in boston and have access to a printer i might put up one or two posters as Boston isn't far from Lincoln and is a considerably cheaper place to live. If he were to have been evicted I think it's likely he would've moved south of Lincoln towards Boston and Peterborough

[@Shansolos]

Instead of posting on here why not go tell the police?!?

[@ttwounds]

You should report this to the police or missing persons. ANYTHING can help.

[@arstulex]

South Lincolnshire represent! I always find it kinda surreal when my area is mentioned online. Places around here tend to lack any significance which means they aren't often mentioned online.

[@jesusfreak996]

This poor boy and his poor poor parents, i can not imagine how i would ever could handle a child of mine go missing😢

[@simonlebeau68]

As a Londoner I can say bodies from the the earlier part of the 1900’s have surfaced in the 70s and 80’s. It’s a very strong current and a stretch of water spanning over 200 miles.

[@lauralafauve5520]

It's so admirable that they help others when they can't rid themselves of their own pain.

[@maya8627]

Groomed,lured and trafficked or disappeared. Very unfortunate.

[@Joanna7428]

Yes that's my thoughts too. It's so sad his parents are in the dark, what a terrible nightmare for them ☹️

[@louiseharraway2599]

i only live about an hour from Doncaster. Did anyone ever wonder if Andrew got the train home and something happened then?.

[@cw9007]

That's an interesting point.

[@kukualzahawy2253]

Perhaps bring it up with cops...he may be closer to home than they thought 😢

[@private4735]

But wouldn't there be cctv or any train staff notice him unless he was given a lift, taxi?or by bus etc

[@michellebusby949]

Being on the gifted and talented register is not always a positive thing. I was very proud when my son and daughter were added when they were still in primary school. I nurtured them and encoraged them but also gave them time away from studying doing sports and time with friends. When they got to secondary school the pressure applied onto them due to their status on gifted and talented register (schools get extra funding for the children listed). My son HATED the pressure. He hated having to miss rugby matches to attend science or maths competitions. I discussed with school and requested he be removed. He was not happy and he needed to be able to be himself. Initially they were reluctant but my son stopped attending the extra classes etc. He was so much happier. He still did VERY well in his academic studies, likely because he was happier in himself. My daughter was the opposite and thrived on the pressure. Maybe it all got too much for him and needed time out. When he'd been gone a while it was too difficult, in his mind, to go back. I truly hope that is the case and that he is alive and happy where he is now.

[@EM-tx3ly]

Kudos to you lass You’re an understanding parent who cares about her kids Your son will thank you later

[@Owen-dc5jk]

I think you're half right, I think he felt he'd be in trouble if he went home, because of skipping school etc. But I don't think that was the original plan. I think he was having a day in London and the decision to stay wasn't planned. I think he got stuck, or lost, or ran out of money or something like that. And then got himself into a bad situation where he could not come home even if he wanted to.

[@mrs_maverick1121]

I cannot imagine over a decade of not knowing where your baby was! I hope and pray he's safe, living his best life, and will let his family/ police know one day...

[@goblinofsharksnacks]

The term 'mature for their age' is often used on kids with trauma, who actually aren't mature Not saying Andrew necessarily had trauma, but the expression is misused often

[@tessfabled4115]

From what I've gathered it seems like Andrew was likely on the spectrum - which can come off as mature as we are more advanced in some areas, whilst lacking in others.

[@JimMilton-ej6zi]

I used to think that andyroo guy was absolutely andrew, but looking at it now "andyroo" seems like the easiest nickname to make for someone named andrew, it's like nicknaming someone named "john" as "johnny" or something so common that anyone could've come up with it

[@belongtotoday]

It's hard to believe that Andrew would still be alive and not reach out either to his parents or police. With how much attention is on his case he likely would've heard about his father's suicide attempt and seen the absolute hell-horror-misery-scape that his parents have been living since he left. It's hard to imagine a kid that's supposed to be as sweet as Andrew would just allow things that serious to go on and on and on and on and on and not at least reach out to the police to say "Hey, I'm alive but I want to be left alone/don't want contact with my parents" at least they could know he was alive. But to just let them suffer and suffer up to the point of his father nearly killing himself? I think unfortunately he ran into some kind of trouble. Just because they haven't found a body means little. :(

[@awakeningalchemy5744]

I think Andrew is alive today. Here’s my thinking, for what it’s worth. He enjoyed watching Reginald Perrin, an old 70s sitcom where the hero plans his own disappearance and starts a new life. He was interested in Nietzsche, who was opposed to traditional values and argued that people should create their own values and be true and authentic to themselves. He left the scouts and the church a little time before he disappeared. Although, he was very intelligent he had little interest in pursuing a university career. All being highly organised and traditional institutions, with traditional values. I don’t know why he would have left his birthday money, but if he was now living according to his own values, depending on who gave him it, he may not have felt it was right to take the money then disappear. Or he could have just forgotten about it in the heat of moment. I also think he wanted to walk four miles to school to give himself time think through his ideas and feelings, and eventually his plans. He probably did meet people in London, not necessarily groomers, possibly even people not far off his own age, who felt sorry for him or understood him and helped. In my experience, granted it was a very long time ago, but some people did go to London, the big city, so that they could express themselves, be authentic in a way, they couldn’t at home in a small town or village. They didn’t always fall in with a bad crowd, maybe it’s just me, but more often than not, the people I knew fell in with a good crowd. Why didn’t they go to the authorities in Andrew’s case? Who knows? Maybe he threatened to take off if they did. Just a final thing, I feel the “Andy Roo” incident is too much of a coincidence since that was his nick name as a child. The fact that this person called themselves that on the platform while chatting, suggests it either was him, or someone who’d been close to him. I actually wouldn’t be surprised, and I hope this is the case, if he is alive in his early 30s, and living off-grid somewhere.

[@truthylucy7068]

I'm not so sure. This kid seemed to have a pretty good life. Open-minded parents, etc. If he did choose to leave, one would think he would at least let his parents know he was okay. His parents reached out on media that they didn't care for the reasons he left. They just wanted to know that he was alive, etc. I personally don't think Andrew is alive.

[@awakeningalchemy5744]

@@truthylucy7068 Yes, I think that's what most people think, and you may well be right. But it's just a gut feeling that leads me to think something else. I get this feeling that there's something very different about this case. The man going to the out of the way police station I also think is significant - was it him, was it someone who knew his whereabouts? It's a shame by the time they got to the door he (whoever it was) was gone.

[@jariel863]

@@truthylucy7068i have this feeling in my gut that he is alive out there for some reason im not sure why. But if he is still out there alive i hope he is ok and doing well. But he should reach out to his parents and let them know that he is safe and ok. They been looking for him for years. So a short text message or a simple phone call would give them closure even if he doesn’t want to return home

[@Owen-dc5jk]

I think he planned to come home that day, hence he took his house keys and left his PSP charger at home, and took no significant luggage. I think the decision to stay in London happened later, while he was there. I think he ran out of money or got lost - then maybe thought he'd get in trouble if he actually went home, (having skipped school), and as time went on he found it impossible. I do hope he's alive and contacts his parents, who will still be going through hell no doubt.

[@myrtlebeachcopwatch8051]

You did an awesome job on this video, keep up the great work

[@airahfuji]

bro left a good home , responsible parents that didnt abandon him, and made every effort to ensure their children lead a great life

[@drmichaelshea]

I’m grateful for the update. Thank you.

[@terrycainarmit1982]

This lad went missing from same village as me. Hope he comes home one day and makes his mum and dads day. There’s so much that doesn’t make sense. No return ticket yet took very little with him. £200 would of got him no where really. 2 nights in a hotel or a couple of weeks food if he slept rough. You would think he should of been seen on multiple cameras throughout London showing where he was heading, I can only think police left tracing cctv til it was to late.

[@rabby77777]

heart breaking . the poor family . wat they are going through . and still are going through . breaks my heart

[@tallpaska5913]

Leominster, where a man apparently tried to report a sighting to police, is not 150 miles south-east of London. It is to the west, and only 40 miles south of Shrewsbury where the letter, claimed to be from the same man, stated that Andrew had been seen.

[@Bad_Gnasher]

Truly heartbreaking. I pray the family get answers! 🙏🙏🙏

[@maxalberts2003]

If the ticket seller is to be believed, then it would seem that Andrew had made his mind up. The question remains: made his mind up to do what? I find it difficult to believe (or even to understand) how a child can be "groomed" without access to conventional methods such as social media and the internet. According to Andrew's parents, he expressed little interest in these media. I should think it likely that poor Andrew met with foul play for no reason other than that he was carrying so much cash and probably caught the gaze of individuals accustomed to petty theft, and maybe more....I doubt that his sense of "boundaries" was particularly sophisticated, and that includes his "radar" regarding who to deliberately avoid. He was small, hearing-impaired and probably easily overpowered. I also find it disturbing--and peculiar--that he would go to a concert alone, just wandering through London by himself. I wish more answers were forthcoming.

[@melissaharris3389]

​@jc-246 this was my immediate thought. Online voice chat via a game would leave no electronic message trail. Doesn't require a phone or computer; just the console and internet connection. He could have easily been convinced to do an IRL meetup at the concert with some gaming 'friends'. It they told him they'd buy his ticket in advance, then the large amount of cash to repay them makes sense.

[@PamLake-u4h]

I have read that the police had Sony check whether there had been any activity through the playstation but this was a dead end. There were no computers in the house but the school computers, the local library and the computers owned by his small group of friends were checked. He seems to have been an introspective self contained child and I agree with the earlier commentator who wonders about autism.I don't think they even had a TV, so Andrew, despite reading books way beyond his age range was not wordly wise The police were very slow initially, meaning much possible evidence was lost. .The only opportunity for grooming would seem to be the course for bright children. Sadly I think he probably died after ending up in a nasty situation he was not expecting, I just wish his remains could be found@@jenCo2020

[@andrewhaines3259]

I'd love to know how you mysteriously board a train! It would make more sense to say "14 year old boy boards a train and mysteriously never returns." I hope they do find him.

[@reneemcafee7341]

Groomed, lured and trafficked! So incredibly sad.

[@m.streicher8286]

It's absurd that they couldn't track the kid through the station AT LEAST. And the office building with broken cctv near the alleged sighting? What about the buildings on either side? They have cctv. Were the traffic cams down the block broken? It's incompetence or corruption. No other answer.

[@ItsAv3rageGamer]

They waited too long to request other available footage, and it was overwritten. The police's initial investigation focused on why Andrew had ran away rather than where he was now.

[@CapitalismSuxx]

The Gosden parents seem like such great great people, I truly wish they get the closure they need. Tragedy shows a persons true self and the Gosdens have proved their worth and kindness.

[@sabercrosby8128]

Highly intelligent + deceitful behaviour. So we can assume he may have had a mobile phone that he kept from his parents

[@EM-tx3ly]

He’s a nerd but dumb as rocks when it comes to the outside realms especially the predatory types

[@reporeport]

You did an absolutely fantastic job with this

[@BellaLeoLicorice]

I hope they checked out that vicar. It seems a bit weird that he would have a key to their door...

[@NemFX]

The family was super religious, except for their kids. I personally think religion was involved heavily. Given that both kids stopped going to church, and listened to metal? "Your child has the devil in him!" .. hardly the first time I've heard something like that.

[@ItsAv3rageGamer]

Yes the vicar was investigated, as were the family and anyone else connected to Andrew, as is commonplace for any police investigation. There is absolutely 0 evidence that points to the vicar apart from literal heresy. The vicar (if he was involved) would be pretty dumb incriminating himself by saying he saw Andrew sat in the park (which is also backed up by CCTV footage). Andrew was sighted a number of different times both on and off CCTV footage and was always reported as being alone, if he was meeting the vicar that day why not just meet with him outside his house? Why separate and then travel to London to meet back up? For what purpose? Makes literally no sense whatsoever.

[@techtitanuk5609]

​@ItsAv3rageGamer did the vicar have a London home?

[@ItsAv3rageGamer]

@@techtitanuk5609 No, he lives in Doncaster.

[@katherine9109]

​@@ItsAv3rageGamerall good points. and good to hear the vicar was investigated. I was waiting to hear that. you know the story well. on a more personal note: you wrote "heresy", but I think you meant 'hearsay'? kind of a funny slip - considering you were 'talking' about a vicar. 🤭 and - not to be a b*tch - a favour to ask of you: I hear and see that the word "literally" is very popular these days! (and it's usually misused.) your mortal sin (kidding!) is overuse. although varied ("literal" and "literally") - twice in this short piece is too often. and unnecessary. you're very articulate, otherwise..!!!

[@carolball5764]

I remember reading that one of Andrew’s favourite comedies was, “The rise and fall of Reginald Perrin “ a ‘70’s comedy, Starring the brilliant Leonard Rossiter ..

[@personalcheeses8073]

That’s interesting. That show used to give me ideas as a kid

[@katherine9109]

that was brought up in this piece. gave you "ideas". but did you act on them? a little complex for a kid.

[@personalcheeses8073]

@@katherine9109 No I didn’t act on it. There are many things I don’t act on that other people do. And vice versa

[@Lauraliemilee]

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[@techtitanuk5609]

I do think he was groomed in person at an educational, musical, gaming event and was convinced to go to London and that man was waiting for him. Definitely abducted and whatever happened, happened.

[@katherine9109]

good theory. but they would HAVE TO have communicated by phone or text, to work out the details of a rendezvous. where IS the evidence of phone calls or texts..!?! maybe the 'special' cell phone theory after all...

[@lambykin842]

@@katherine9109maybe through his xbox?

[@deeeeeee988]

What stands out to me is the parents saying he had mobile phones but lost it and didnt want another phone . What teenager doesn't want a phone ??

[@xxx041189xxx]

@@deeeeeee988 Back in 2007? Most of them did not want a phone. The only purpose of a mobile phone back then was calling - mostly meaning that your parents could call you whenever and wherever you were! Not exactly a fun prospect, if you're used to living without it. As he was not super active socially, he had no real use for it.

[@EM-tx3ly]

@@deeeeeee988 Unless the boy was told to lie by the predator ???

[@twelvesmylimit]

This one brought me to tears.

[@sandycromhout9850]

I couldnt imagine anything worse than not knowing ...... living with that eery day. 😢😢😢😢

[@TheDramacist]

I dont think he meant to be gone more than a day. Probably groomed to meet up with someone, then get taken home afterwards. Hence no clothing or even his charger. But his one way ticket to meet a friend online resulted in a predator grabbing him.

[@tessfabled4115]

43:07 by 'Iceland' it means the supermarket chain, not the country :)

[@markcynic808]

Excellent, as ever.

[@1CHILL_PILL1]

What about the two guys that were arrested regarding his case? Apparently about a year ago 2 people were arrested in that case. They have to be connected some how or some of the sightings are real, maybe even both, think about it

[@GoblinsLivesMatterIsAMan]

To be quite honest andrews disapearamce was overshadowed by msdeleine mcann going missing

[@CleoHarperReturns]

Gosh, I would give anything for someone to love me as much as Andrew's parents love him.

[@whoathatsanicememe3093]

My heart just breaks for the family. I just can't fathom the absolute terror, hopelessness and despair they have been through. I will pray that they are able to get some answers very soon.

[@duckupine4345]

I wonder if it would be possible to determine the serial numbers of the money he withdrawn. If it would, it would allow the police to locate the places where the money had been spent and maybe thus narrowing the loaction of the search. I doubt that there is that kind of system in the ATM machines but maybe it's a good idea to create one.

[@Ali_D_Katt]

For that to work every store clerk everywhere would have to manually check every serial number on every (I'm assuming) $20 bill.

[@StevenBray-o4m]

I wonder if he was using a public telephone in his own area to keep whatever secret he had ? Even if he didn't have a secret. In 2007 there were 872,000 left in the uk.

[@headrushindi]

What a very sad story. The only conclusion one can make for sure is 1) Either Andrew himself set out never to be found..OR 2) Someone never intended him to ever be found. This is truly a Bizarre roller-coaster mystery.

[@lynncarter4964]

Andrew almost certainly has autism, as he has all the personality markers. If he is alive, he may not understand the depth of empathy required for how his family feels. If he is not alive, it's possible that autistic gullibility had a hand in foul play. I cannot stress enough, that people who have any signs of autism need to find out for sure if they do, in fact, have it. You need to know how you come across to others, especially anyone who may want to do harm. Once you know how you come across, you can protect yourself better, and you can understand why you feel depressed, and therefore handle the depression much better. Parents need to be aware of their autistic teens likely actions and explain why they may feel so different, and that it's ok. Warn them that they may feel an urge to take off suddenly, as this is common among the autistic community. They need to know themselves, and their own tendencies.

[@undeadarmy19]

Jesus christ this was a tough case to listen to. The parents still going to concerts their son just might be at 13 years later, keeping his bank account topped up, never changing the locks, etc. I can def understand what he said in the end about how the dad sometimes felt envious of the parents that found out their child was murdered. As bad as that sounds, at least you have closure. In this case, these parents will probably never get over this.

[@opalbinia]

I think I've said this somewhere before but Andrew reminds me so much of me and my younger self. Based off of my experience, there were probably hidden emotional issues the parents never knew about, as well as a very high possibility of being groomed. The case has haunted me due to how easily I could imagine having been in this situation. It makes me reevaluate my childhood and relationship with my parents a lot. I know this isn't much but I sincerely hope for the best for his family. This isn't the kind of thing anyone can heal from. Edit: autistic impulse decision/chance of more freedom or independence seems very likely IMO (from my own experience, I have done risky things I probably shouldn't have for my own safety but it just didn't cross my mind.)

[@mountainmermaid8]

He was groomed and lured by someone he met in person. He is probably deceased but there is no way to be sure.

[@mollylittlewolf9192]

I keep thinking about that 4 mile walk to school. Possibly met someone on the way. Or knew someone a long the way. Tricked him somehow. 😢

[@chloec6935]

I live in the area where Andrew went missing and his missing poster is still on bus stops around here. Every time I see one, my heart drops 💔

[@kevinvilmont6061]

Sweet! I’ve been listening to your podcast from the beginning. I was pleased to stumble on your KZbin. Great work sir.

[@techtitanuk5609]

That vicar needs his garden looking at

[@margaretbanks8969]

I will agree with that if you will agree that all gps nurses teachers railway staff and anyone who saw him that morning at either end of line and any opticians in the area also have their gardens looked at as well as any media staff in area have their gardens looked at as well.

[@williamharris8367]

​@@margaretbanks8969 So, you're suggesting that there is a _much_ larger conspiracy than previously imagined?! 🤯

[@Margaret-i4b]

No I'm pointing out that just because someone jneq Andrew and or saw him that morning doesn't mean they "need their gardens looked at.

[@ganiniii]

Once on New Year we gathered some friends to celebrate in Weingarten, Bayern. Since so much people were invited I didn't knew everyone. This dude, named Alfonz, I' never forget the name, flipped halfway celebration. I think it was the alcohol. He threw an american friend of us into the water in a freezing lake thank god it was not that deep, and ran away. We couldn't find him anywhere. Dude vanished on a little town. We couldn't party anymore out of concern. Turns out he got into a train, fell asleep and woke up in Munich where he was thrown out fir not having a ticket his family raced like maniacs to get him after a day missing when they involving police already. We were so confused.