7 music production tips I wish I'd known earlier, feat. ShaperBox!

Here are some less commonly discussed techniques that are useful in tons of genres! I’m using ShaperBox to demo everything because they wanted to sponsor a video but if you don’t have the plugin you can of course do automation and gating in lots of different ways. ShaperBox just makes a lot of it easier :) Check them out www.cableguys.com/
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[@50CalBeats]

Shaperbox is one of those plugins that I initially purchased because I found the idea cool, set it aside for some specific tasks, and is now making it's way into almost every aspect of my production and mixing lol. It just makes many things so much quicker and easier.

[@1998Cebola]

honestly, I often find myself with 4 or 5 mixed in very lightly on every element because it's such a convenient way to get some cool movement

[@Ness2Alyza]

@@1998Cebola same! I'm loving making presets with so many combinations of all the modules

[@jessebell8328]

Hi, I have a question. Do you agree that music is infinite? Given that there is a finite amount of notes and finite amount of hearing ranges, is it possible that we can still come with endless ideas of music. And to be clear, I'm not talking about adding a single note and calling it a new song, are changing a pitch very slightly that's inaudible to the human ear and calling it a new song, but is it really possible to create endless new songs with the limitations of notes and keys on an 88 key piano? Please let me know your thoughts.

[@Alkatross]

@@jessebell8328 No way. Human consciousness is quantifiable, and so must be our music. Even if we are conscious of infinity, the awareness is limited by our existence and is therefore itself finite. The good news is that human consciousness is so imperfect that there is infinite variability from our limited perspective. So... also yes?

[@ghostplayermusic]

@@jessebell8328 I would say at this point, with the amount of tools available and the nature of creating sound, music is definitely infinite. You can hit a rock on the ground in a repeating pattern forever and every strike will have a slightly different loudness and frequency response. So yes, music is infinite

[@BeTheAeroplane]

Another tip: use a muted track to trigger your sidechains. I use the "blip attack" preset in Operator and just draw in 4 on the floor pattern. That way if you ever change your kick drum later, you won't have to go back and redial all the compressor settings for each sidechained instruments.

[@jessebell8328]

Hi everyone, I have a question. Do you agree that music is infinite? Given that there is a finite amount of notes and finite amount of hearing ranges, is it possible that we can still come with endless ideas of music. And to be clear, I'm not talking about adding a single note and calling it a new song, are changing a pitch very slightly that's inaudible to the human ear and calling it a new song, but is it really possible to create endless new songs with the limitations of notes and keys on an 88 key piano? Please let me know your thoughts.

[@CorkyK]

@@jessebell8328 there is an article out there on the web that is titled something like "every melody ever possible to be written is on this hard drive" - and you are technically correct as are the hard drive owners. Every possible combination of notes and order is finite and while large, still finite in number. That accounted for, the potential for differences in note lengths, rests between them, and combinations (chords and progressions) while still finite, take us into the realm of the perceivable as infinite, because its a very very very very large number. One all humans in all lifetimes probably couldn't ever complete creating. A computer could, hence the hard drive of just the note order combos called "melodies" (which are really just note sequences and probably not all very interesting musically) but then you add "swing" and "feel" and other nuances, like breath in singing and portamentos (I think thats word, Im talking about bends between notes, the microtonal stuff) on and on and its a big unwieldy number of combinations fast. So... infinite? Technically... no. But... practically, in practice, to the human concept of time and getting them all created to the very end of the list? Improbable in the span of human existence. Make sense? That's my guess.

[@baronvonbeandip]

You could do the same thing with an External Instrument send to a Serum, Duck Buddy, LFO Tool, etc. Cept with those, all you have to do is change the LFO shape. With the muted trigger method, you have to reshape the muted hit to suit the new noise.

[@BeTheAeroplane]

@@baronvonbeandip The trigger sound is always the same though. It's just a tiny click sound. All the shaping is done within the compressors. That's just the method that's always worked for me.

[@ghostplayermusic]

@@BeTheAeroplane I do the same thing with a short white noise from operator, so I can control the decay time. Though I might pick up volume shaperbox just because it’s cool

[@RoomieOfficial]

Great vid man, I NEED this plugin now

[@GoviaM]

roomie

[@Quinnifer]

Love your videos, Roomie!

[@blueboytube]

Rami

[@lefriseur]

Andrew makes Plugin Porn 😂 also need to have it.

[@Iredidv]

It´s the time, they have 5 most used for 70 and all 12 for 170 .

[@DavidDiMuzio]

I got Shaperbox free with Focusrite’s Plugin Collective a while back and have been letting it rot on my drive. Thanks for the inspiration to pull it out 🤩

[@danthemanmillan]

Honestly, you should've named this video "How I use ShaperBox"

[@khangarraty727]

ive been subscribed here years and yah this is literally just an ad

[@crnkmnky]

@@khangarraty727 it’s a pretty good ad though. now I just have to reverse engineer these tips to use with stock Reaper plugins 😁

[@andrewhuang]

If I haven't explained the principles of each technique clearly enough then that's on me, but I did all of these things before owning ShaperBox and they aren't difficult to do without the plugin

[@danibee535]

we've all got to get paid, and you really should be able to take the ideas behind all of these tips and apply them with almost whatever setup you have. i'm losing count of the ways i can do most of these in my tiny studio alone.

[@dirtcastle]

Or maybe it should be titled "How I use ShaperBox while workin on an ad for Target." Full disclosure: After watching this ad, I will probably buy the plugin. LOL

[@FlorianRachor1]

Apart from the sound, the editing on this video is really on point. Really nice.

[@DeathJoy]

yes! these transitions of one part into another = next level!

[@esaibalderas]

that time shaper/ gating element is a lot like the gross beat vst that usually comes stocked into fl studio maybe not as complex as shaper box, but still fun to toy around with!

[@phlox7792]

yeah you can definitely do all the volume/gating along with time warping/cutting. It's just missing the noise and some filtering but there are plenty of other tools to accomplish that in FL. Gross beat is such a great tool.

[@atb0007]

love gross beat..fr

[@rainer3755]

yup, the time part is practically the same, except the syncing works MUCH better than with gross beat. initially i’ve bought only the time module because i was sick of gross beat getting messed up if you didn’t start playback from first bar.

[@jessebell8328]

Hi everyone, I have a question. Do you agree that music is infinite? Given that there is a finite amount of notes and finite amount of hearing ranges, is it possible that we can still come with endless ideas of music. And to be clear, I'm not talking about adding a single note and calling it a new song, are changing a pitch very slightly that's inaudible to the human ear and calling it a new song, but is it really possible to create endless new songs with the limitations of notes and keys on an 88 key piano? Please let me know your thoughts.

[@phlox7792]

@@jessebell8328 depends how you are defining a new song. I can play the same song with different dynamics or rhythmic accents or even just a different orchestration, say bass piano trumpet vs tuba violin and guitar. Then is it the same? If we are all just using the same exact piano then no there are probably limits but there is a very very large amount of options before repeating that it might as well be considered infinite in the ability to express the same notes in a different way. To find all combination of notes it is something like 88 to the power of 88 but the reality is music is a lot more complex than just what notes you pick so there is more to the equation than just that number.

[@ergkj]

I love the sound tip 4 (layering gated sounds on drums) makes especially when you switched to the sound after white noise. Very inspiring. I feel I’ve heard similar stuff in music and didn’t know how it was done. It really pulls you in as a listener.

[@Lol_Pig]

Just picked up Shaperbox 3.....I'm blown away with how much flavor it adds to tracks!! 😳

[@ChristheWeird]

Another way to achieve that kind of transient shaping takes advantage of Ableton's warp function. Set the warp mode to "Beats" and preserve setting to transients. This puts a little envelope right at the start of every transient in the loop. Right under that dropdown, there's the loop mode. Set that to the top option which is "loop off" and has the single arrow. The value to the right of that determines how long each of the little envelopes last for. If you turn down that value you can essentially shorten each transient in a sample right in the clip. Different samples in the same track can be treated differently and you don't need to worry about moving any automation around or adjusting an external tool to match the timing of the loop. It all happens automatically. I do this in almost all of my productions to preserve the groove of a loop or breakbeat I like while freeing up some space sonically for other stuff to slot in. It's not perfect as it effects every sound in the loop and more soft sounds will get lost but it super useful when you're making percussion and loop heavy music!

[@markuskopter]

I love Shaperbox! Be sure to use the MIDI Trigger option to work around Ableton's shortcomings in plug-in delay compensation, especially when Shaperbox is used towards the end of the plug-in chain.

[@reflexin5150]

Could you recommend a tutorial for the midi trigger function?

[@RobertoVoidRizzi]

@@reflexin5150 also interested in this

[@jessebell8328]

Hi everyone, I have a question. Do you agree that music is infinite? Given that there is a finite amount of notes and finite amount of hearing ranges, is it possible that we can still come with endless ideas of music. And to be clear, I'm not talking about adding a single note and calling it a new song, are changing a pitch very slightly that's inaudible to the human ear and calling it a new song, but is it really possible to create endless new songs with the limitations of notes and keys on an 88 key piano? Please let me know your thoughts.

[@ailtire2117]

@@jessebell8328 it's not infinite, but given the different tempos, time signatures, grooves, harmonys and genres there is plenty to go around. Though you do have to factor in that some combinations just sound bad. In theory if you programmed AI to write all songs at a certain bitrate given a certain song length you could hear every possible song given those parameters.

[@stickgarrote8582]

This is pure genius! And I can build all of this with Ableton’s stock plugins as Effect racks, for 0 money. Sure, it’s not exactly the same but I get 90% of the convenience without adding any new plugins! I am so happy right now 😃

[@notyetaladie]

How would you do the time shaper one in ableton? I'd love to utilize abletons stock effects for that!

[@andrewhuang]

@@notyetaladie in your audio clip automations mess with transposition and sample offset

[@stickgarrote8582]

@@notyetaladie Haha, hadn’t gotten that far when I made the comment. Good point. You can do some of it with looper and some M4L devices but to be honest, it’s not one I’d use so I’m not too focused on that. I have Manipulator that I use when I do a lot of pitch / formant shifting and I do time effects manually because it’s a rarity for me.

[@leif1075]

@@andrewhuang Thanks for sharing Andrew. I really hope you can please 🙏respond to my message about how you compose when you can. It would mean a lot. Thanks very much.

[@pleasehelpiamunhealthy1748]

@@notyetaladie u can set the simple delay plug in to repitch mode by right clicking and selecting repitch on the drop down menu and then clicking link in the top right corner and changing the delay mode to time. then u can just automate the delay time and it gets kinda a similar effect, just not as much precision

[@JulesStoop]

This (micro volume automation) reminds me a lot of my early experiments with the (very simple) Mac-based protools system I owned around 1996. That thing could only play a maximum of 4 simultaneous tracks and had extremely limited support for plugins. Precise volume and panorama automation combined with a very simple outboard effect helped create the illusion of many more sources.

[@DodgaOfficial]

Shaperbox is honestly my favorite plugin ever, so many useful features it's almost endless. From mixing to sound design.

[@kineticwayss]

infilterator is better

[@Cableguys]

These tips are great! Thanks for taking a deep dive 🙏

[@ArvidOlson]

This is a brilliant video. Excellent tips that are very well demonstrated and explained, and an excellent ad that manages to not be annoying at the same time. You have a perfect blend of humility and knowledge to just be awesome.

[@kjl3080]

I think the snare layering trick is really cool and underutilized!

[@TachyBunker]

Okay!

[@i.vanovgeorgiy]

mr. bill does that everytime

[@virginiusmaximus7006]

Okay!

[@cornoc]

Okay!

[@meuric9552]

"Yeah just that target commercial I did for Target." Man really on the next level

[@laboriefabien]

I'm hooked on these transitions with the little reverb.

[@mentox6592]

Love your content Andrew, have done so for years

[@nco9319]

Lest take a moment to appreciate these musicians on youtube just giving out game

[@jentaro]

I'm a Shaperbox user and can confirm it's usefulness. Yes, you can achieve the similar effect by manually automating and panning on the channels in your DAW of choice but this is faster and convenient without sacrificing quality, while you work. If you play with the pan and width sections you can get great results fast. The GUI is responsive and it takes little to get use to it and start using it comfortably.

[@PrettySkies]

Exactly what I needed! Been having this vst but using it just for sidechains, I love how you can literally draw a sidechain in it, but always wanted to do more with it someday, that's the sign to do it then

[@HeatleyBros]

Really interesting shaping! Thanks for sharing!

[@Tekkerue]

This video was perfect timing! I'm currently editing sounds for a metronome app I'm developing and for one sound in particular there was a spike in the middle of the waveform that I wasn't able to target with compression or clipping without affecting the rest of the waveform around it in a negative way. I added Shaperbox at the end of my effects chain and drew in a volume envelope to dial that one spike back in perfectly without touching the rest of it. I don't normally do sound design and I never would have thought of using Shaperbox like this. This is like waveform editing, but you can insert it anywhere in your effects chain. Simply brilliant! Side note: I'm also using the free version of Psyscope by FX23 (oscilloscope plugin) to analyze the waveform while editing it with Shaperbox. I like Psyscope better than the waveform view in Shaperbox.

[@iphone7850]

This channel is so important to me! All this great information. I will have a laptop and Ableton soon too and need all your tips!

[@callmetatan]

I have also built my PC this month, can't wait to get into this

[@iphone7850]

Have much fun bro!

[@Janno13131]

I use shaper box in every project as well, I have mine built into a sidechain bus with a midi trigger. My favorite way I've found to sidechain so far. Thanks for showing me a few new ways to use it!

[@idlethoughtsmusic]

I recently got Shaperbox and I love it! It's my new favorite plugin. Not only does it make things easier, but I it's great for coming up with new ideas!

[@EdTalenti]

I love this channel so much

[@Kill3rhertz]

Love it when 2 guys I follow comment on each others' videos!

[@HACKERSInc]

So do I! :)

[@monvey7291]

Now that's the kind ad I like and watch more than one time! 🔥🔥🔥

[@matcarpes]

Always enjoy watching andrew nerding over music production, so inspiring

[@OstiguyBass]

Manual side chaning !!! Thank you ! It was soo obvious ! I need that !

[@Artersa]

I’m fairly sure I heard that target commercial. Super cool to know that Andrew did that.

[@jimboburgess42069]

I picked up the idea of shaping the volume from trying to replicate aphex twin. So fun to take a reverb and then cut/chop the volume after, something software makes so much easier.

[@Flammeseele]

Shaperbox is an amazing plugin. It's not perfect but it makes experimenting so quick and easy. The envelope follower on every module gives it a spot on almost every section in my production recently. Its just so easy to get a clean sound with it compared to doing everything outside of the plugin.

[@JA19962014]

What a solid plugin. Thanks Andrew and Happy Holidays!

[@twodeepupyours508]

Sharing tips like this is beneficial for all music lovers and audiophiles cuz it keeps audio production from getting stale and redundant

[@rogerrinkavage]

Your videos have some of the best editing and transitions around!

[@sharptrickster]

On behalf of the people from Brazil I hereby declare you the most prolific non-brazilian musician/producer in the style of "tupperware samba". Really beautiful stuff. Congratulations!

[@tycho25]

Im impressed he's still able to make videos with a new baby! Total dedication!

[@TunaLoopBackingTracks]

Thank great tutorial I have been looking for this kind of tool for a long time, very musical approach!

[@degizmomusic2082]

I use Shaperbox a lot but this is the best tutorial I’ve seen in terms of showing how versatile it is. Love your work.

[@DJBre]

Very nice tool to add to the box! Thank you Andrew

[@MrSkylightOffical]

I LOVE these kinds of videos.

[@codahighland]

I've been working on my own modular synthesis code and it's cool to start having those "hey, I could do that!" moments.

[@shlokmore966]

Love your content ❤️

[@kieranbyrne1593]

Just bought it! Super valuable recommendation, I'm loving it thank you!

[@antoinelesage3313]

Man Thank you as always!!! always super helpful and super cool!!

[@martymodus7205]

Yes! I love my Shaper Box plugins! Sometimes it feels like having an additional synth engine to modulate whatever synth/sound I'm using. So quick & easy to use, and it's my favorite tool for turning something a little flat into something fun & dynamic.

[@AmbroseReed]

I LOVE automating distortion and used to really overuse it in some of my older crunchier songs lmao. Love these other ideas and applications to diversify and add life

[@damonterrell5262]

this is great I just bought shaper box the other day!! knew you would have a great tutorial

[@brandonw2471]

There's an AU5 video on doing sidechain with serum fx. That method also allows you to draw custom sidechain shapes, which is really useful as Andrew said. Also with the serum method, you have the option to set up a midi trigger.

[@50CalBeats]

You can midi trigger with Shaperbox as well.

[@GeekyGami]

You could also just use Vital and skip having to pay for something.

[@brandonw2471]

@@50CalBeats oh cool, didn't know that

[@brandonw2471]

@@GeekyGami not paying for something is definitely a huge plus. I would suggest serum fx for people who already have serum (comes with serum fx), otherwise trying free plug-ins before paying for something is the way to go. Thanks for the suggestion

[@RobertoVoidRizzi]

@@50CalBeats can you clarify ? I'm ignorant about the midi trigger option. thanks

[@MrLarsDF]

Great video, Andrew!😊🙏. And WHAT a great track🙏👌

[@DadJokeCinema]

Great tips, Andrew, thanks!

[@TrevorWesleyOfficial]

Great stuff bro!!!

[@BraveTheStorm]

Great video ty Andrew

[@jeremyfox7599]

superb video - great tips!!

[@darwinalways620]

Very helpful information, thanks Andrew!

[@ozzy3ml]

Midi triggered oneshot mode in Shaperbox is fantastic for drum sound design. Love a quick envelope on Driveshaper’s drive to give bite to transients.

[@HenrikHarrell]

I also love those cableguys plugins! Thanks for those tips Andrew!

[@PeanutButterAM]

As always. Solid. 💪🏽🤘🏽

[@sabersight908]

hey Andrew what could be fun is a video on making a song out of only free software and online samples, show how anyone can make something easily free too, and these are Great tips btw never thought of drawing a Rythem/volume to make a beat

[@descart_wav]

good idea

[@bedekelly5474]

LOVE the track you're building up here, any chance of a release / extended version? 🤞🏻

[@OSCILLATR]

Andrew is the king of doing the “wrong” thing with the right tool for the sickest effect! 👑

[@potatoheadhaoy]

I feel like a lot of these ideas can be at least partly applied to other plugins or even basic envelope writing. I'm really surprised how useful this is!

[@kaitlyn__L]

Yeah I was pleasantly surprised that I’ve done 5/6 of these things with synth envelopes, which can indeed be almost any shape, control the loop speed, etc. Nevertheless it’s good to see ways of making these decisions later and with more precision, rather than controlling each element live and by ear with the performance controls.

[@jeremyfox7599]

This is literally the vst that I've wanted to find for years

[@fattmusiek5452]

You have this amazing science?! I couldn't run it if owned it. smh. Id defiiintely be using these plugins, so advanced- now.

[@muddasheep]

i'm just happy you came back to earth to give us your awesome tips :D

[@ea5e95]

Have this plugin, super useful. Thx for the protips yo 🙏🏿

[@oliverporsch582]

You rock man! Thanks for ths one!

[@ronanbbbbb]

‘ear wise’ is my new favourite musical term

[@cachelesssociety5187]

Sound design is becoming a more essential part of composition as people get more discerning and expect more surprise in their music; Things like Gatekeeper by Polyverse, Narcotic by Lunatic Audio, Dmitry Sches Tantra 1 & 2, and Other Desert cities by Audio Damage open up a lot of territory and none are fully replaced by Shaperbox. But because I had purchased Gatekeeper (which does delay fx, gating and pan fx using similar drawing tools), although I was curious about the differences I put off buying this until tonight; but after an hour with it, this tool is worth the money, no question - and your video does a fantastic job of showing off its wide variety of uses, which I'm fairly sure is ground that no other plugin can cover in its entirety at present.

[@LookitsTook]

I’ve been totally happy with their free trial. Like it’s been good enough I don’t feel the need to upgrade lol

[@Krunal-Music]

Absolutely gonna try these tips 💥💥👊👊

[@muenchhausenmusic]

Great video, thanks!

[@Dubinfected]

These tips are super useful, thanks Andrew!

[@MIHAO]

love this plugin too

[@nelsonrivera9635]

This tune turned into an absolute bang bro! AMAZING great video! I wasn’t going to shop plug-ins this weekend but now I’m convinced 🙌🏻🗣🙌🏻😭❤️ GOATED

[@nelsonrivera9635]

LiteraLly take hours automating lol

[@jetlag_beats]

That initial snare on 5:46 is sooo much the kickoff at the start of Sultans Of Swing 🙂

[@ozzy3ml]

Imagine an educational video collab between Andrew and Gregory Scott (Kush Audio)…so many minds would get blown!

[@GizmoGearhead]

Don't sleep on timed loop modes! You can add percussive quality to _any_ sample by adjusting the transient loop mode options to timed parameters instead of "Transients". I use this functionality ALL of the time - with some clever timing you can even use this to do some basic side-chaining.

[@GBlunted]

This is awesome!

[@calebolsen]

Thanks for the Shaperbox pitch. Totally went and got it!

[@BulgBeats]

That Instrumental at 08:50 is beautiful loving the bass line ♥

[@BeautifulNightPrayers]

Thank you for the tips..💖💖💖💖💖

[@largeDUMBASS]

appreciate you a ton, andrew!

[@tracktionwaveformtips]

Great ideas, that’s a cool looking plugin. I’ve been really digging Tracktion Waveform Racks lately for that kind of fun stuff. You can add LFOs, step sequencers, transient shapers and more to pretty much anything. Really interesting possibilities when automating volume and pan, or doing complex parallel stuff. Also, routing random LFOs to bitcrusher parameters is a beautiful thing!

[@hlqa7938]

Andrew rocks as usual!!!!!!!

[@callmetatan]

Great work

[@-zoave-]

Great one mate. I love my Shaperbox ! My best buy :)

[@produciamomusica]

really cool ideas, love shaperbox!|

[@philipjoshua274]

Thank you very much ANDREW...😍😍😍❣

[@edglue6138]

Look good them effects. Actually was looking at them the other week. Think I might invest. Great video Andrew

[@jimonaldo3108]

Wish you showed us how to do some of this stuff with stock plugins, just feels like “Cool things you can do with Shaperbox”

[@willespalazzo]

Not all but most of this stuff can be replicated with other envelope shapers though

[@andrewhuang]

Every tip is either automating volume, filter, or distortion, or using a gate. People with different daws have different stock plugs anyway :)

[@jimonaldo3108]

@@andrewhuang Totally, still super useful tips

[@lunalangton5776]

Mhm, looks like even Andrew is taking advantage of the hidden dislike ratio. Even if you can theoretically duplicate this with other gear, this is just an ad for Shaperbox. Gotta pay the bills I guess. You can do this MSEG automation of dynamics etc using Surge Synthesizer, though it takes some setting up as it wasn't designed to do that. Use Audio In oscillator, modulate volume with an MSEG modulator. Right-click the speed of the modulator to tempo-sync it, and set it to freerunning; now when your DAW's transport is running it will be in sync with the DAW playhead. Or, it should be, anyway :) It would be really nice if Andrew did a followup for everyone showing how to do just that, or with some other plugin.

[@slayerficated]

@@lunalangton5776 so you learned something you can apply to different plugins and you're disapointed that it was through a specific plugin

[@profanddevplaygames]

So good. Great ideas. And you sold a plug-in. Nice job working with Andrew, sponsor!

[@melonoire]

It's beennn a looonng time since I last watched Andrew

[@davidbyourplanb]

So cool!!

[@octopusicroyaltyfreemusic6309]

That's so cool Andrew back to on average music school material

[@benodaboy]

Gated stuff on drums was huge for me. Adding a reverb before a gate on a snare can do more than just the "80"s thing. It can add punch or sparkle or subtle ambience to snaresz

[@Kamer.Sounds]

A video like this for every plug-in in existence would be great - good place to start to get ideas on how to use them!

[@KonJonnorMusic]

Great tips dude love the sidechain one!