Android 17 BnB Combos & Basics Guide (REMASTERED) | DRAGON BALL FIGHTERZ SEASON 4

Okay why is Top Gear a mid and Second Gear a high, who thought this was a good idea to name this that way?
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Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
00:28 Buttons
02:19 Specials
04:07 Gears
07:01 Assists
07:49 Supers
08:47 Blockstrings
15:05 Okizeme
16:42 Midscreen BnB
2M5M - jMLL2H - SD - jLL2HjcLLL
(Can squeeze out more damage and meter by ending in ...jcL(dl)L2H - jS(6) - j236M.)
16:57 Vanish Extension
...jcLLS(6) - Vanish - j214S - jLLS(6) - j236M
17:06 Midscreen BnB Metered
2M5M - jMLL2H - SD - jLL2HjcLLS(6) - j236H~2L5L - 236L~6L5LL2S
17:16 5H Route
5M2M - 3H5H - SD - jLL2HjcLLS(6) - j236M
(With PB charged do ...jcLLS(6) - j22S for more damage and meter. Old rejump route no longer works and the new one is unreasonably hard.)
17:29 5H Route Metered
5M2M - 3H5H - SD - jLL2Hjc(dl)L(dl)L2H - jS(6) - j236H~2L5L - 236L~6L5LL2S
17:40 5H Route with Assist
5M2M - 3H5H - 236M~MMM2S - A1 - 669 jLL2HjcLLS(6) - j22S
(Various ways to extend from assists, try it with yours.)
17:55 Corner BnB
5M2M - 3H5H - 214L-LMM - 236M~MMM2S
(You're cancelling 214L into immediate Light Top Gear, dont just let 214L rock.)
18:02 Corner BnB with Assist
5M2M - 3H5H - 214L-LMM - 236M~MMM2S - A1 - jLL2HjcLLS(6) - j236M
18:14 Solo Rekka Hitconfirm
(Any Rekka hit)~H~S - 66 2M5M - jLL2HjcL(dl)L2H - jS(6) - SD - jLL2H - jS(6) - j236M
18:27 Assisted Rekka Hitconfirm
(Any Rekka hit)~2S - A1 - 669 jLL2H - SD - jLL2HjcLLS(4) - j22S
18:37 SD Confirm
2805 dmg +0.25 bar
SD - jMLjcLLS(6) - j236H~2M5M - 236M~MMM2S
18:45 SD Confirm Reset
1620 dmg +0.3 bar
SD - jLLL - (land) 236L~6MMM2S
(Only works if enemy is grounded when hit. Hits up- and back tech meaty.)
18:58 2H Punish/DR Route
2H/DR - SD - jML2HjcL(dl)L2H - jS(6) - j236M
19:05 Vanish Confirm Simple
... - Vanish - 66 2M3H - 236L~MMM2S
19:12 Vanish Confirm Optimal
... - Vanish - 66 2M5M - jLL2HjcL(dl)L2H - jS(6) - SD - jLLS(6) - j236M
19:23 Example Combo with 2 Assists
5M2M - 3H5H - 236M~MMM2S - A1 - 669 jLL2HjcLLS(6) - SD - jLLS(6) - j22S - A2 - DR - 22S - 214L+M
20:06 0 Bar 5M Rekka Starter TOD (Beerus A/Z Broly)
...~5M - Sparking - 2M3H5H - 236M~MMM2S - A1 - jLLS(6) - SD - jMS(6)jcLLL - A2 - jS(6) - j22S - 236L+M - Level 1 Level 3
20:34 3.5 Bar Limit Break TOD
5M3H5H - 236M~M~H~H - 214L~M~H~H~2S - Sparking - 3H5H - j2HS(6) - SD - jMS(6)jcMS(6) - j22S - (dl) Vanish - 66 236L~2S - [Vanish] - DR - 214H+S

[@D--O]

I cannot stress enough how much I LOVE that little Jojo character chart

[@Recompense40]

Hey man, I've been watching these tutorials since you first started posting. I just wanted to say thank you for making simultaneously easy-to-follow and ridiculously in depth tutorials. You've made me a lot better at a game I love. Thanks for that!

[@brownshoe6542]

Same man I saw your first berus guide and I was hooked good content is always appreciated

[@jerretttracy9631]

I agree nobody else makes vids quite like torgue :)

[@dickthe5th]

Can we just take second to think about how godly this man is at dbfz. Mf’s made extremely well crafted tutorials that go into insane depth on about like half the roster? Bitch I can’t master 3 characters and this guy can do both ghoki AND fuckin rekka block strings IN A WEEK. Hats off to you man, you are what keeps this game alive and kicking. (p.s. I love the absolute shit out of big buu so a tutorial on him would be most excellent)

[@idrinkpeople6440]

Lmao

[@agedgouda8809]

What’s ghoki?

[@dickthe5th]

@@agedgouda8809 Gotenks has a pretty nasty okizeme (options on opponent wakeup) with his ghost level 1, its called ghoki for short.

[@knee565]

@@agedgouda8809 ghost Oki

[@pollytheparrot2574]

It's definitely helped by the character discord he joins for help. I'm in the android 17 discord and the amount of info and tech in these character servers is pretty insane

[@jediskyyrokker1136]

So thankful for finding your channel post season 4 and comprehensive breakdowns your amazing brother I don’t do patreons but I will for yours your helping me not have wasted money getting the base game and season 1-3

[@thechugg4372]

Amazing tutorial with a fast update, so hyped for the updated Hit and Goku Black Guides on their way!

[@GodSonGamming]

Thanks man needed this from a guy trying to learn 17 since he first came out this is helpful

[@sonicrox141]

Hey, love your videos man. If you're looking for suggestions, maybe you could do a Krillin guide? I've been trying to learn him but there's almost no Krillin guides that arent 3 years old. Thanks for the great vids!

[@skillfulwaffle6911]

You are a legend for us 17 mains and players in general these are great

[@IFSpartan350]

Just started watching your vids and I'm loving the energy

[@hadesangelic8807]

Really glad you kept making videos since the first Beerus guide man. Can't believe how indepth you've been able to crack and learn these characters and then put all the time and effort into making these videos, appreciate you dude! Much love

[@yagami999913]

I swear i just bought A17 right now and you just uploaded a season 4 guide a couple hours ago ? Take my like and sub ! 👌

[@CamelBiden]

Absolutely excellent and thorough guide. You da man

[@xoiyoub]

Thank you for these guides ♡♡

[@Space_Australian]

Any plans on a Master Roshi guide? He's super fun but criminally underplayed IMO. I think one of your God-tier guides would get more people interested, cuz he's actually really fun and surprisingly versatile since he has so many different moves.

[@MilesRayPrower]

Always the best making guides 👌🤘

[@xDiranx]

I just watched Doto play C17, and then you bring out a combo guide? Life's good, yall

[@papertiger4525]

Bookmarking this video and making sure to come back as much as I can. Just picked up DBFZ, loving 17 but struggling against my friends who already had the game - obv there's gonna be a grind, but I wanna get better, and this is a really good place to start. Now just to figure out a third character to practice for my lineup...

[@abrahamcoronelbeltran6033]

Ive been watching this series for a long time, it helped me a lot with my favorite character broly S, i'll wait for the update of his corner routes.

[@timok5115]

Amazing tutorial sir! I love your video editing skills hahah. Please keep up the good work. Liked and followed already. Is there any chance to get an updated Nappa guide? As far as I know Nappa's well known universal reset setup has changed in regard of the inputs. Reason for that is that his moveset's frame data was adapted.

[@Axeice]

Great video ❤️

[@TinyTorgue]

There he is, the man himself

[@lexennexel1679]

16:42 For a personal note, if you find the delay a little tricky, you can also do SD>L(dl)L2HjcL(dl)L2H>S(6)>236M. The delays are less demanding, and it's most consistent overall.

[@xoiyoub]

Hey thanks

[@chadwyckmarte1061]

From the future, you saved my life

[@mattdekker5693]

my noob brain looking at this going "how does more delays make it easier??"

[@StardustBlazer]

Great as usual! Can't wait for the *Videl & Piccolo* guides - my most anticipated ones!

[@simplysupreme1030]

Hey what rank are you? I feel like I’ve seen that name before

[@StardustBlazer]

@@simplysupreme1030 Hm? What rank do you theorize me as? Kinda woke me up when I saw this. 🤔

[@simplysupreme1030]

@@StardustBlazer hmm man I can’t remember if I saw you in ranked or in a tournament so I’ll guess… super saiyan rosè?

[@StardustBlazer]

@@simplysupreme1030 Nah, I'm on the way to Rosé but the unga players be on whenever I decide to play. I'm currently looking at emulators.

[@simplysupreme1030]

@@StardustBlazer Ah alr, I’m living legend so I’m right below rose so I think I may have just seen you in a lobby probably

[@ohgodno]

i saw the S3.5 one, it was the best 17 guide ever, lets see this one

[@theycallmeandres]

This type of videos are the best tutorials for me

[@itscoolthough419]

You're a blessing

[@AquaShot43]

When me and my brother started playing Fighterz I showed this to him because he played 17, he gave up on him and eventually the game. But I still play and am now picking up 17, and rewatched this now that I actually understand the game better. And its so much more helpful, I got why this stuff was so good when I first watched this but now I can actually implement it in game. The blockstring at 14 minutes is fucking insane lmao, absolutely Goated guide maker 🙏🙏

[@Barnebic]

I didn’t know how sick this character was until I saw a set where yasha was using him, didn’t realise how crazy his rekka mix is, such a fun character to play

[@kiliksama]

You did it. You actually did it. ❤️ 17 is bae

[@gingeysnap2090]

Odd- how did I get here? The playlist was at the end of the Jiren Season 4 guide and I clicked on it. :p

[@dualcypher00]

Uggghhhhh why don't arc system works not have this as an alt costume. So damn dope lol Great video

[@yonni5263]

When you put time into 17 it’s worth it, also found some good stuff here thanks !! :)

[@SquidwardProfilePic]

As somebody whose been playing 17 for a while, possibly the best tip I can give for season 4 is don’t play him on point. Play a character that has good neutral tools like a beam on point, and whenever that beam connects do the new special tag into 17 so he can get the benefits of the hit. 17 has notoriously bad neutral and stubby buttons, so it’s in your best interest to let another character in your team win neutral for him. And if possible, get a character with a high block stun special. Since 17 can start his rekka while airborne he doesn’t have to wait for the recovery of a special tag, he can just immediately rekka. Gotenks is a good example of a teammate for 17. Really good neutral, and ex beyblade gives 17 free mix anywhere on screen, so u can get the benefits of both characters at once.

[@itscoolthough419]

I'm planning to play 17, A. gohan and janemba 💀 i dont think i have much of a choice.

[@SquidwardProfilePic]

@@itscoolthough419 needless to say dont let me tell u how to play the game, that comment was mostly for people that wanna play 17 but dont know who to play with him, your team sounds strong as hell this season. 17 builds dummy meter for gohan to feast on, and 17s barrier assist is busted when used with a command grab character.

[@wildrussiansnake8978]

Maybe that's why i'm getting bad results with him, it's true that you should play a character on point to learn how to play him, but i will need to reorganize my team in order to benefit him

[@noteleks1713]

I ain't reading all a dat, we up do

[@Orangeboy1345]

Damn love the stat feature

[@MTR_Nara]

👀 My boy 17!

[@LOLERS159]

everytime TinyTorque posts a tutrorial vid "welp guess its time to learn this character"

[@devenjones6148]

Can't thank you enough for your Android 18 vid. Got me from Majin to Rosé in about a month. But I main 16, 17, and 18, and was wondering if your 16 and 17 tutorials were still applicable to the current patch. Again, thanks for the content man and appreciate any help.

[@TinyTorgue]

This one is still up to date, but I've never made one for 16

[@devenjones6148]

@@TinyTorgue lol Sorry, didn't even notice there wasn't a 16 guide. But thank you so much for the response. Time to hit the training room.

[@BrainstormHaZe_]

Can’t wait for the zamasu guide, Ik how to play him but I want everyone to enjoy and be able to use him. I’d say he’s very difficult to play

[@bg-cc6hn]

Another excellent tutorial and overview! Hope to see Gogeta (Blue or SS4) and Vegetto soon!

[@wiki6466]

Perfect timing

[@lorrie4598]

That last ToD is sick

[@squidmeister425]

Love how adult gohans arm grows back when he’s destructive finished

[@pilotdino4097]

Let’s goooooo

[@arianmatias2714]

Bro I really love your videos. I need one of Janemba or Super baby 2 pls!!!

[@mqurh4977]

hey big lad any chance of seeing an android 16 or roshi guide any time soon?

[@njparham3829]

Jesus this tutorial so good 😭

[@pietrocastagnaro5043]

I'm in need of a Zamasu guide after the buffs

[@Orangeboy1345]

This videos release timing is spot on - It's 17 season baby 👁

[@itscoolthough419]

Didn't he get worse? The only difference i catch between this guide and the old one is that he lost his best combo...

[@Orangeboy1345]

@@itscoolthough419 He lost his standard rejump due to a jM change, other than that buffs + quality of life changes You can still rejump doing jLjM

[@bardockvegetable6377]

The MVP is here!

[@simplysupreme1030]

Man I see you on almost every dbf video, how are you everywhere lmao

[@bardockvegetable6377]

@@simplysupreme1030 idk lol luck

[@forsaken7752]

@@simplysupreme1030 you’re on LSD

[@bardockvegetable6377]

@@forsaken7752 no u

[@zachcarter7022]

This was based, ez sub

[@moonwalker9626]

0:08 this man clearly has taste

[@Zimmer8000Gaming]

The 214M option select oki after a j.236M knockdown is giving me trouble. If I do it right away, the overhead whiffs no matter what they tech. Do I have to delay a portion of this now?

[@darik9384]

Pls make piccolo guide next i have been waiting so long

[@emangtvee]

Hey torgue, if you wouldn't mind, I would love it if you made a guide for Android 16. I main the guy, and any advice on how to get better at him from you would be great.

[@fettidarko]

Nahhh that rakka fake out overhead is to dank for me ☠️

[@Abyz_]

I've been playing this game since it came out but never really tried to be good at it, its my 2nd fighting game and i think its time to fucking get gud at this shit, thx for the guide

[@CanoliDealer]

That remastered Hit tutorial tho 👀

[@duckthemightyknight364]

took me 2 hours to get finish this combo and ended up making my first TOD (7 bars, Android 17, Hit and blue goku)

[@isaacmendez1529]

I like how there’s a sauce thing on the chart😩💀💀

[@ohoffmann915]

Thank you for this I thought about playing him to try him I appreciate this , also if you can bring a guide on the big green guy he was whooping in the begining I'd highly appreciate that

[@sas7sx87]

Hi man, good tutorial, by the way how do you get that classic android 17 DBZ look

[@TinyTorgue]

Modding

[@sas7sx87]

@@TinyTorgue thx, sadly I'm on ps5 but it's ok

[@Polopollo75]

at 16:17 I did go to the Kid Buu and 21 guides, but it is not super obvious. Do you mind doing a generic video on how to do the super jumps and especially on how to do 4 ways mixups? Like I also saw Cloud809 does a 4 ways mixups where he just...super jump (no IAD) and land 2L or dash jL. I feel there is a lot of nuance for these setups but not a lot of guides at all. Thank you!

[@wildrussiansnake8978]

idk if you got the help you needed but in the Base Vegeta guide (both the original and new one) he goes in deep about superjumps float mix, i'm sure you will understand it better, also the mix you saw cloud doing is not a 4 way, is just a 50/50, 4 way means that you can hit on every side of the character, high same side low same side high cross up and low cross up, while all of them are either safe, hit on the same frame or about the same frame. To superjump you do Down and then up, not super fast but fast enough, you will get it down.

[@lilpp1863]

Can you do a master roshi guide please. I have no idea what im doing with the character

[@iyiadedavid4464]

Yo Torgue Help me understand the Character sheet. Point > Mid >>> Anchor Are you saying Mid is his best role then? Or are you saying he is better as either point/mid? As long as not Anchor?

[@xjustxnobodyxg4521]

Point is his best place Mid is pretty doable with him Anchor is not recommend That's what I think at least

[@TinyTorgue]

It's as the other people have said, Point is better than Mid, Mid is a lot better than Anchor

[@goodburger8175]

We are the VIPs and have come to this video early

[@frankaxe6700]

I fought this 17 they was sick

[@mynorciciliano3249]

Yooo please Cell Guide Season 4 🤯🤯🤯

[@mitsugetsu_]

How did you get the orange scarf outfit with the jeans?

[@TinyTorgue]

Modding

[@swisherdisc]

I just watched the old one yesterday l

[@leithan5441]

Hey so I’m trying to hit the 0 bar tod but I can’t seem to hit the 22s after the A1 jS(6) after the jS the dummy just techs out, any help?

[@TinyTorgue]

the hitstun decay is pretty high at that point, you just gotta hit the 22S faster. you can kind of buffer the 22S towards the end of jS

[@Jimsterthethird]

Is that outfit a mod or is it like video you press left stick and then select?

[@TinyTorgue]

All outfits you don't already see in the game are mods unfortunately

[@masku627]

Did He call him a pickle! I'm Dead! 🤣

[@thatifalover]

heyo, idk if you are still checking these comment sections, but how do you get the SKD with either j.236M or j.22S and j.S(6) at high hitstun decay? like im no god but i'm pretty sure I'm canceling it as soon as possible and the combos still drop.

[@TinyTorgue]

It's just a bit tight at high hitstun decay, especially with j22S. Buffering inputs is the key

[@angstyteentrash8205]

Have you made a video of explaining what buttons are like "5H , 2H, 3hl. Etc

[@TinyTorgue]

I haven't, but there's plenty of videos that do. Just look up numpad annotations on youtube and you should find one

[@rodrigoamsterdamdelima9964]

This should be the outfit of 17!

[@GottiBklu]

Can you make a ssj4 gogeta one?

[@patrickmartinelli9065]

Vegitto next plsssss!

[@Emilio-lz5ux]

Are we getting a dbs Broly one soon?

[@Kharnate4670]

What does oki stand for?

[@Vectom]

When is the android 16 tutorial coming out

[@HonkHonkGoose776]

when you show the team positions, the one on the left is the best one, right. i think so but im just making sure

[@TinyTorgue]

Correct

[@calebbrooks9050]

Can you do a piccolo tut

[@supersaiyan4578]

Sensei Torgue, will you update every character's guide?

[@TinyTorgue]

yup

[@supersaiyan4578]

@@TinyTorgue Cool thanks bro

[@mobydck2723]

Can someone please explain that? How to do at 2:18 i dont understand anything about 22S i have ps3 controller you can say it as xbox 360 controller too please help.

[@mobydck2723]

22S 22 means click 2 times 2 or hold on 2 + s ?

[@mattbb6557]

Need a remaster for super baby 2

[@iamkasaii8792]

ayo can I get a fat buu guide 😌

[@manolomanulo914]

agradecido con el de arriba

[@nightmares4895]

Xq tenés ese traje? De dónde lo sacaste

[@EvermoreUnicorn]

Can someone please explain to me the connection from sparking 3H5H to j2H in the limit break combo? I’m having trouble getting the jump to come out and I was wondering if anyone had advice?

[@TinyTorgue]

You can buffer the jump input while 5H is making contact so you'll have enough time to do j2H immediately

[@EvermoreUnicorn]

@@TinyTorgue thank you!!!

[@westsidehonie6224]

YO BRO @ 10:28 what does “ tilde “ mean

[@TinyTorgue]

~ is a followup to the previous move, usually used for rekka sequences. check the graphic at the start of the video edit: nvm i dont have ~ explained in the graphic 💀

[@jellotheice3155]

Hi! Sorry i'm a newbie, but how do you unlock 17's classic outfit?

[@TinyTorgue]

It's a mod

[@JawsFG_]

Ayo Tiny Torgue a question: Is 17 still the battery character number one, even tho he lost his rejumps?

[@JACK-kp8tb]

Yes

[@TinyTorgue]

Yeah, although many characters come close to his meter gain too now

[@_zealos_8213]

Actually had to watch like half the video at .25x speed cuz this was a lot

[@supremeg8424]

Can u make a goku black he just got buffed thx :)

[@fupalover]

The most useful character in the game.

[@youraveragedokkanplayer]

gogeta (ssb) guide when?

[@PomadaGaming]

0:41 wow

[@PomadaGaming]

1:54 yeahh 3:07 yeah,also wow the combo 4:06 lol 4:10 yup 5:14 nice i didn’t know you could get it midscreen 5:25 why the f is there a vtuber🗿. bro? 5:55 the heavy seems kinda meh 6:31 bru 6:36 yesh 6:59 yea true 7:03 i always thought meh of this move but with what you mentioned i kinda like it. 7:32 40 frames golly. this character good 7:53 frame 1 invincible aight 8:20 yeah,like Gero,gonna do a bit I bet. Also wheres the lv3 9:10 huh 10:30 lmfao i got hit 11:08 oh sh 11:22 lmfao 12:57 sick 13:24 ah that’s nice too yea 13:38 golly… 14:00 aw hell nah 14:46 hmm 15:18 oh really 15:54 interesting… 16:37 wow

[@mastrsonic375]

Android 21 Seadon Four

[@HelloThere-vr7yy]

When vegito blue

[@tjyoung3997]

Android 18 guide when?🤔

[@requiem9167]

For team position is it like > means greater than and >>> means like way greater than? Meaning he is best at point? Lol

[@TinyTorgue]

Yes