Andy Diemer The Trinity: Obscuring the Knowledge of God

[@murtlandjardine8716]

THANKS FOR SHARING SPIRITUAL TRUTH

[@christopherskipp1525]

What does UCG stand for?

[@Bobbychildree]

United Church of God, which if I’m correct split from Herbert Armstrong’s Worldwide Church of God in 1995. The UCG is closer to other Christian churches in doctrine than the WWCG. While both have some excellent teachers, both deny the Personhood of the Holy Spirit. Yet both speak of the Holy Spirit at times in the same way Trinitarians also speak of Him, giving Him the attributes of a person.)

[@yasminedghill4222]

Superb sermon indeed.Thanks

[@deanthompson6438]

Wonderful thanks!

[@deannah1982]

Excellent sermon.

[@Bobbychildree]

Philippians 2:6-7 NKJV who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, [7] but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. The word “equal” supports the doctrine of the Trinity. There are many passages attributing the exact same event to EACH member of the Godhead/Trinity. This definitely leads to confusion, but nobody says that understanding God is easy. My Rabbi thinks he has the solution by saying there is One God who appears in three forms, the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit. That seems like foolishness to me. I believe there are THREE eternal uncreated persons that make up the One Godhead. I believe they are separate and equal. Calling one the Father and one the Son implies inequality to us, but get over that- they have different “jobs” if you will, not different authorities. That’s like the positive and negative terminals of a battery - which terminal is higher in authority? Now tell me who the three eternal persons in this verse are: Isaiah 48:16 NKJV "Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit Have sent Me."

[@JamesCraythorne]

That’s your rabbi’s opinion not Bible truth.

[@mickhealy572]

The prayer does not mean 3 but 1. The God Amen.. The reason for the mystery is that it is an Egyptian prayer taken and by altering the spelling and pausing they thought they could give it new meaning and thats why you are so confused trying to make it mean three, using analogies, endless imaganing and endless words to make it seem so..when it clearly states 1God. " say it without pausing. "In The Name of The Father The Sun And The Holy Spirit Amen" Amen (also Amon, Ammon, Amun, Amun-Ra) is the ancient Egyptian god the Sun. ...and finally it makes sense !!!! it used to baffle me to no end as a child .. and I think this prayer adopted by the Israelites and then by the christians may have far more significance and importance as Akhenaten is known for his development of the earliest monotheism .. and the God was Amen.. in the name of our Father Amen..

[@Bobbychildree]

You keep calling the Holy Spirit “it.” The scripture calls the Holy Spirit “He.” “It” implies a thing, “He” implies a Person. The third Person of the Trinity, no less. John 16:7-8 KJV Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. [8] And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

[@JamesCraythorne]

You missing the point, this ‘doctrine’ was adopted in 365/386 AD and then thrust into world religion by Constantine.

[@Bobbychildree]

Your doctrine of the Holy Spirit is rather lacking the authenticity of scripture, pastor. It was the Holy Spirit that brooded over the waters in Genesis. It was the Holy Spirit that raised Christ from the dead. It is the Holy Spirit who baptized us into the body of Christ. Conversely, it is Jesus Christ who baptizes us into the Holy Spirit- I think you have missed some truths about the Person of the Holy Spirit.

[@JamesCraythorne]

The authenticity is brought in by Constantine in 365/386AD! And is not biblical.

[@Bobbychildree]

Philippians 2:6-7 NKJV who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, [7] but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. The word “equal” supports the doctrine of the Trinity. There are many passages attributing the exact same event to EACH member of the Godhead/Trinity. This definitely leads to confusion, but nobody says that understanding God is easy. My Rabbi thinks he has the solution by saying there is One God who appears in three forms, the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit. That seems like foolishness to me. I believe there are THREE eternal uncreated persons that make up the One Godhead. I believe they are separate and equal. Calling one the Father and one the Son implies inequality to us, but get over that- they have different “jobs” if you will, not different authorities. That’s like the positive and negative terminals of a battery - which terminal is higher in authority? Now tell me who the three eternal persons in this verse are: Isaiah 48:16 NKJV "Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit Have sent Me."